How to Throw FLAT and STRAIGHT in One Week
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ก.พ. 2021
- I took seven days to learn how to throw flat and straight. . . here’s what happened.
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Great content man. Really like the structure of the video! /Jonathan
Thanks man! Means a ton.
great video brother!
Thanks Molt! 🤘
11 year old me is seriously thrown off by this
Great video!! I’m 52 and just started I have a severe herniated disc that creates pain not only in back but numbness in my left leg. I tried the x step but it’s painful to accomplish. But this technique is awesome I can still enjoy the sport and get a little more distance without frustration. Thanks again!
Bruh, that follow through comment gave me such a good idea what I'm doing wrong, definitely going to be following this video to help em out, you're awesome dude!
So glad to hear that! Game changer for me!!
One thing I noticed is on your reach back you still hold the disc on hyzer and then correct it to flat on your pull through. You’ll get a smoother throw if you have the disc level on your reach back and level on your follow thru. It’s the same idea of your follow thru being the same as the angle of your disc. Having it on the same angle all the way through will make it smoother. Just wanted to say, loved the video! And I hope this can help you!
Yup. Keeping that throwing arm across your upper torso from reach back to follow through is key. It's more about posture
Day 4 was definitely my favorite to watch! You: "I can't imagine its gonna be that simple, but we'll see" Me: "Oh he's in for a big surprise" your reaction did not disappoint! The follow through tip is one of my favorites and was a game changer for me last season! That course you played looks incredible, I'd love to play it one day. Keep up the great content dude!
Haha such a killer tip. One day when you come out, I'll show you around bro!
Have been watching disc golf videos for 10 years and you are easily the best at teaching. Love your positive attitude towards all topics you bring up. Great job!
Thank you! That means a lot to me! I've been watching for close to ten years, but when I started there wasn't really anything to watch online and I wasn't to into disc golf DVDs.. lol
Same. I’ve been playing since 2008 and have only in the last year really been focusing on my form. With so many videos out now it has kinda made me look deeper into my own form. Great video. Will probably watch it over and over to absorb everything. Your perspective on disc golf is definitely easy to follow 👍🏼
Helpful Footwork Tip: You're rotating too soon/too much on your plant-foot (i.e. Lisa Fajkus). This is preventing you from bracing your front leg (offering resistance) long enough so all the power from your lower body can be transferred upwards to your arm/disc. The energy you create during the x-step & reach-back is being dissipated by your early foot rotation (opening of the hips). If you're falling forward and off the tee during follow through, you're doing it wrong (unless you're James Conrad). You still have a ton of unrealized power that is not being optimized.
Thanks for the tip James!
One of the best things I heard about "reach back" is to think of it less of reaching back, but more about moving around the disc and when your arm ends up being fully extended, that's when you want your timing to line up so you can snap. Scott stokely did a cool video on "snap" that really helped to simplify what is often so over complicated. Also I'm jealous because it's been -18 and snowy where I'm at...
Great stuff Sean! (except for the weather)
+1 to this. Total breakthrough when I realized this. Peep this explainer: th-cam.com/video/TAk4zkqfmEs/w-d-xo.html
As a new player of about 3 months, this is probably THE most useful mechanics breakdown I've seen, and I've watched HOURS of videos!! I am currently a predominantly forehand thrower, only because I'm devastatingly inconsistent with my backhand. Problem is, I'm tearing up my elbow from my baseball playing days! This actually allows me to work on each aspect of the backhand. Great work!
I am still only just about a year into playing and have watched most of the videos mentioned here. Thanks for bringing all those tips together and making a very great video! I'm excited to start practicing more with these tips in mind even more.
Absolutely! Thanks for the comment!
Next video - "How I realised I was always meant to be a professional disc golfer" ;] For real tho, that looked like a pro practice.
Thanks Chris! That's super kind man!
Self reflection is a great thing. Not only for everyday life but also disc golf..... You mentioned about thinking through all of the steps when throwing and I have found that it definitely can mess a person up. I try to clear my mind and launch without over thinking what I am doing. When I think about every little detail I usually mess up my shot/launch.
Absolutely! Didn't think about the implications to everyday life, but you're totally right!
Let’s see a forehand vid with this much detail! Great vid! Subscribed!
New subscriber here. I realize this is a 3 year old video, but it's a really good one. As a novice, I learned a ton.
Content suggestion: It might be fun to do the "7 days of focus on one thing" but do it on someone else more novice.
Heck of a video! Crazy improvements. I think that the reach back and pull through is the hardest part about developing good form and I'm still working on my form. Great video!
Thanks bro! I'm still working on it too!!
What a fantastic video, can't wait to put some of these techniques into practice! Thank you!!
Great job!!!! Great shot on 16, that cliff on the left is always on my mine when I throw to the basket. Great tips!!!! Keep the vids coming.
great video. looking forward to the OAT one. the follow through thing is huge. when I first realized that the disc's angle matches the follow through, I started paying attention to pro tournament footage. you can watch their follow through only, and if it's a fairly neutral disc at that speed, it will always match and you can know the flight just from the follow through. it's like when simon lizotte said he can tell if someone throws far just by looking at their feet.
Thanks Caleb! Appreciate your insights and definitely with you man. Huge game changer for me!
Its so great to see personal growth! I'm really excited for you. As far as reach back is concerned, Ezra Aderhold had a video in which he states that when you start your Xstep, you leave your disc in place, so that when you physically step forward, your disc does not leave that space until you snap your hips.(basically) your disc from x-step to twist is in the same spot, your body is what moves forward, creating an "explosive elastic" maneuver in your arm. This also was said to prevent "rounding" in your throw.
Love seeing the progress on throwing straight! I've grown up playing in the woods so it just seems normal for me to do and I struggle with getting distance sometimes because of throwing such tight areas all the time. My biggest problem has always been off axis torque, I feel like it really robs distance, even that slight wobble off release can go out exponentially. Danny from dynamic has quite a few videos talking about it and alot of stuff he's mentioned helped alot with that, but it's still an issue haha.
The follow through angle tip was incredible!!! Great video 👍🏼
your hyzer drives are like my air bounce drives. i had to aim at the ground for so long until my muscles learned how to throw straight, slightly above the horizon. keep up this awesome content! and eightycrows!! yo that helped me out for real for real
Been playing since 1987, and just now started watching videos like this to start taking the game a bit more seriously instead of being happy with a bogey on half the holes.
Super helpful, and... of course having a little dot to shoot for improves one's aim!
This was really helpful. As someone who can't throw backhands worth anything I have a lot of work to do and this is a good starting point. Appreciate it :)
I’m pretty new to disc golf and just wanted to say that your videos are awesome and super helpful!
I like the callouts to each video for the different days, that was a nice touch. The footwork day seemed to prove that unless you're doing something egregious or painful, don't force a change; Comfort and repeatability are key! Fundamentals are great but there's a reason everyone does things differently. Footwork is a great example of that with the differences in x steps, run ups, walk ups, crow hops, etc. Also, been seeing your stickers and discs making their way into other disc golf videos around TH-cam, even saw a recycled disc on an in the bag! Awesome.
Thanks for saying that! I couldn't agree more on how important comfort is.
Wow! A whole week with great shots, great determination and most of all what an improvement and what a video! 7 days of throwing in a great length video. Well done my man!!
Thanks Matt!!
Great tips, well presented. Long time Frisbee guy, new to disc golf...
Awesome video and great progress on your throw Jesse! Definitely some nuggets I want to test in the field.
Thanks man!
WHAT an improvement after just a few days! Nice analysis / field work!
great video!! between you and eightycrows, I am beyond psyched to head out to play now. thanks!!
everything about the writing, editing, and overall production of this video is truly on point. The biggest flaw is either the camera you used to shoot, or the overall exposure settings you chose to go with-- I understand hardware limitations, but man would this content kick ass in HD . Can't remember the last channel I watched where 4 min into one single video I clicked subscribe. Good job and keep doing what you're doing
Great tips ... I have been playing for 20+ years and my form is junk lol and my disc selections as junk ... it’s something I’m working on this year ... I got heavy in to science of discs and how they fly last year ... so understanding that has actually helped my form knowing what a disc should do
Couldn't agree more man!! Same for me with new knowledge and how it affects my game all in the past year.
The follow-through tip! Such a great tip. It's the first time I've heard of it after watching dozens of vids. Thanks, man!
So many great observations and tips - this video is gonna be my go-to when trying to explain to my buds what I try to do to send it !!! So simple - not easy at all but v simple - amazing work my good man thank you so much !!!
Nice work! I am < a year into the game and I enjoyed the format and structure
Nice! Just got a tripod setup for my phone. Gonna start working on my form. I like your approach to this! Definitely gonna adopt it!
Thanks Bryan! I'm excited to see how people adapt it for themselves!
Love this! Def 2021 OCD award winner!!! Couple thoughts: Like emphasis on seeking one skill upgrade only. Then breaking it down into 4 possible fixes one at a time. For those with less time, a good teacher should be able to see the 2 of 4 changes that panned out pretty quickly. Also- 80 Crows excellent tip about follow through angle: This pairs perfectly with a more widely known tip at the beginning of the shot. Dipping your torso a bit early will produce the higher follow thru hyzer. Standing up a bit straighter will produce that lower follow through anhi.
Thanks Robert! Appreciate the thoughts man!!
Great Video. I'm in my 2nd week of playing and I should really do something like this.
Good stuff. I like how much you felt better about the improvements you made with small but crucial tweaks.
Thanks Blake! I totally agree.
This was great and inspiring. I'm a new sub. Looking forward to more content like this and seeing how your journey progresses. Good luck and keep em coming.
Thanks Mike! Excited to have you here!
Great stuff man! Good job! I'm a wuss when it come to cold weather but when it warms up I'm gonna be doing some serious work on my forms. Both backhand and forehand. Backhand I just need to find more distance, I'm confident in my aim and angles(shot shapes). My forehand needs serious work though. I can't throw a flat forehand. They come out with an extreme hyzer. Sometimes if I really focus I can get it flat but this year I'm gonna make it effortless. I'm gonna try to focus on my forehand follow through just like you did.
Thanks Zach! Please report back . . . I'd love to hear how that helps your forehand! I'm sure it's relatable, but I haven't tried it yet.
Those last 3 holes at West Fork are my personal crucible. Being able to birdie all 3 consistently is how I’ll know progress has come.
Great video man. Thanks for documenting for us
I laughed out loud reading this.. haha totally agreed!
Thank you so much for this. Especially your viewer tip!
Came here from Robbie C Disc Golf - subscribed. This was like watching a Mythbusters episode on disc golf. Fantastic analysis, and I liked how you broke it down and tested each change one at a time. Keep it up!
Thanks John! Robbie is a good friend, so I'm stoked I didn't disappoint! haha
Those tips were great! It gave me lots to think about in my game. And, as you said, I'm going to work on just one piece at a time. Once that gets more consistent, then I'll look for the next piece to work on. By the way, the one thing that I noticed on your reach back is that, sometimes the disc would be in line with your belly at full extent, which might explain the tendency for the hyzer. Or, maybe not. Thanks for the clinic !!
Seriously that was one of the best step by step improvements i've seen, you and Bodanza should partner up now that he's in Colo.
You are awesome and hilarious. You have great form! This really helped me because I also struggle not being able to throw flat and hyzerlip everything. This taught me a lot! Thanks.
Thank you so much Claudia! I'm so glad it was helpful for you.
Quality, quick-hit content. Earned my sub, looking forward to future vids!
Thanks Loren! Stoked to have you here.
I really appreciate the video, it was very helpful. And I think what you are doing with the recycled discs is really great, keep it up!
Thanks Willy!
This might actually be the video that fixed mine as well. I have a similar problem. I can hit the backhand hyzer lines, but straight and flat isn’t in my repertoire. Usually lean towards forehands if the backhand line screams early tree. I always miss to the right cause my body plays the hyzer but on tunnel shots in the North Carolina woods, sometimes you don’t even have time to let one flip up flat, it’s gotta come out flat. think the body position (leaning too forward) and the arm angle (following through flat) will benefit me the most. Great vid!
I have a similar problem woth my throw so I'll have to follow in your footsteps as it looks like everything worked for you. I will when it's not below zero with a foot of snow on the ground. Cheers!
Haha please report back when it warms up. Would love to hear how it goes!
Wow man. Great vid. Couldn't stop watching! It's probably been 10 years or more since I've picked up a disc but this really makes me wanna get back out there!!! Thanks for the content. Liked and subscribed 😁👍👊
Thanks so much John! Not to peer pressure, but.... DO IT!! haha
@@TrashPandaDiscGolf 😁👍👊
Great video, shares what a lot of us go through when we are starting to take disc golf seriously. I think your reach back might just be a tad bit early, I could for sure be wrong. I only mention this because I struggled with the same thing for quite some time, just slightly too early on the reach back and it cuts off a bunch of power from your hips.
Thanks for the feedback! I really do appreciate it.
Very useful. Thank you for making that.
I am by no means trying to claim anything more than the "I like to play" ability, but I noticed something we used to have in common, Your plant foot is going too far in front of your body, so your rotation is coming from your off hip. Giving you that hardcore body spin after the release. I found that stepping further to the right of my body(towards the basket) kept my hips from turning away as far in my reach back, which had a few forced corrections. such as 1. my right hip moves backward instead of my left hip going around. 2 greater separation between my hips and shoulders with less extension of my arm during reach back, 3. better accuracy and distance with less upper body exertion. Sounds crazy but the "Uncoiling" has become entirely automatic. You can feel the natural "push back" from your plant leg into your hip. Hope it helps!
Awesome video man! It’s so cool to see all of the progress just within 1 week, and the tips were great along the way 🤘
Thanks bro! Yeah, I can't imagine what's possible in a month or two vs. just one week...
@@TrashPandaDiscGolf No problem! and exactly, I can’t wait to see the progress man, keep up the good work 🤘
So I was watching this, kinda had my head tilted pondering, and realized, wait a minute, that's ACC 😂 I live about a mile away and go here almost everyday to get in a quick 9 during my lunch hour. That's freaking awesome.
Hey, that's A3C! Closest course to my house. Lots of practice round there!
As someone who is relearning their own form right now, that is an awesome video! Great job with what you learned in just that time!!
Glad to hear it related! Thanks Josh!!
I have watched a lot of help videos that have pointed out any number of things I am doing wrong, including this one. It is nice to know that the groupings of my discs right next to each other in my ho-hum distance drives is "a good thing", though. I can't wait until I consistently do good things consistently, though. Not going to lie.
One change I did just a few days ago was that I keep my head looking straight ahead of me and only turn my head to look at the disc after the followthrough. Gave me 30-50m more distance and way way wayyy more accurate shots.
Great stuff! Glad that worked for you!!
I don't know how many times I've watched this video. it's just so helpful. Thank you so much!
I'm a beginner, and have been for about forty years. 😂 I can't throw a driver more than about 220 feet or so consistently. I am not alone, and those of us like me need more videos aimed at us, the average player.
Great video! Neutral body position and follow through are really all you need. Reachback is huge misconseption and many pros say its not even a real thing. Ofcourse if you round over your body it will cause some inconsistency and if you start too low it will cause disc to nose up. But with your power of hitting 500 feet accurately I wouldnt even bother thinking it since to accually throw that far you need some height in your throw and to my eye it was perfect. You have so good form already. Those 2 things arent even a change in form, you just align yourself for different throw than hyzer. Great job!
Thanks for the feedback! I'd still like to fix the early wobble in the disc (OAT), but outside of that I agree that so much of it has to do with what individuals are comfortable with.
Great minds think alike. I have been playing disc golf since 1978 and I too am working on correcting my form. And guess what I have been taking my tips from Philo and Uli. Along with Paige Pierce and also Brodie Smith. Watching Brodie learn how to throw Golf Discs instead of Frisbees made me realize that I needed to make some changes. That and the fact that my drives were not even going 300 ft. anymore. Now I have them back up to 330 to 350 ft. just before I turn 60 years old. 😁😎
Love it Will! That's fantastic! I hope I'm still learning and crushing at 60. Keep it up!
This video was amazingly helpful. The next weekend after I watched it, I threw the highest rated round I have ever thrown. Funny thing is I used the information to throw everything on hyzer which was so useful. lol. Thank you!
Super glad it helped Samuel!
Great video! New to Disc Golf in CO, and would love to hear you speak more about the courses in our area. I've been learning at the CCU course, but look forward to venturing out to new courses soon! What order should I try our most popular courses in?
Hey man! Stoked to hear that. If you're near CCU, I'd suggest Johnny Roberts to learn short game (just not on a busy day), and Fehringer Ranch and Birds Nest for a local, solid 18 hole course vibe! (Feel free to DM / Email me for other stuff!)
@@TrashPandaDiscGolf Really appreciate you taking the time to reply! Keep working at the recycled discs, excited to see that dream come to reality! See ya out there...
Wow, way to stand up straight right off the bat. It took almost all the angle off your release.
Bad ass video bro . This helps me a lot. You throw so flat . 🔥🔥 That’s the goal from here on out for me .
The exact video I was searching for! Thank you
Great video, extremely helpful-THX!
Glad you did this! Definitely doing this soon.
It went better than I expected and I'm excited to see how other people adapt it to fit their specific needs. Let me know how it goes!
@@TrashPandaDiscGolf for sure! I'm gonna try to get out in this snow and play a round
This is great content 👏 kept me captivated the whole time. I'm definitely going to work on body position and follow through after this! Thanks again
Thanks this was fun to watch, loved learning the tips with you
Thanks Adam!
That was an excellent video AJ ...from the Sopranos!😃😎👍
Instant sub. This was great! Nice work on the video and the throws
I just don't get why someone would downwote this. So fun to see someone really putting in the effort and getting results like this. Thank you very much for this video!
Usually the reason people downvote things is because this some how popped up in their feed and they don't actually care about the sport and in order to remove unwanted videos from popping up people will downvote it.
@@LumieX So just click on any other spot on ur screen or just "back" then? If you've watched enough videos on youtube to make this be suggested to you, down-voting a video will not fix your feed... And no, I'm not putting any blame on anyone. I just don't get it i suppose.
Great video. Makes me want to grab a camera and do my own analysis.
Totally agree on distance at hole at West Fork. Great video!
Right!? It's definitely not 423' - glad I'm not the only one lol
Dude, great video! Question off topic. You have the best socks! Where you get 'em?
This is great content. Super helpful. Thanks and keep putting out the good stuff.
Thanks James!
great editing man
Dude, this is the first teaching video i learned something from!!!! Thanks
To help integrate the 4 things you mention try interleaving. Isolation, practicing one skill only will make you good at the one thing in the specific situation. Interleaving is varying the skill with each throw. First follow through; next pullback; etc. The throws might look poor but what you are doing is blending them and this will integrate them into the newer desired skillset much faster than sticking to isolation training. Another way to interleave is varying the disc, tee-pad, terrain, footing, while working on the desired skill. To throw level from uneven terrain is much more difficult than doing this from a level parking lot. Great video and thanks for sharing your journey
I'm definitely going to try "interleaving" next time. That makes a ton of sense. Thanks Kevin!!
It's funny I just ran across this video. I started this same journey last weekend. Started with my foot work because I knew that was my biggest downfall. Then I saw Filo's video on upright position and started that. I can truly say those 2 made a huge difference for me. I don't generate the arm speed I use to so straightening out throws has helped with my accuracy instead of throwing harder.
I also had trouble with angles, I threw on hyzer even if I tried flat or anhyzer. For me, the fix was simple: I took a stable driver and went out on a field to practise max distance flex shots. I also watched youtube tutorials to fix my form. That did wonders to my backhand, I got the angles working and added another 100+ feet to my drive!
That was spot on my problem: throwing hyzer when I was trying to throw flat. Glad to hear that fix worked for you!
Great video! I’ve literally only been playing for two weeks but I found out today that I somehow can throw pretty straight. I went with my wife and kid to a park and while they played, I was just practicing the few TH-cam tips I’ve learned from a few videos. I am severely under-strength and can only get maybe 225 meters right now. Picking up this sport has been one of the most amazing things to happen to me in some time!
You throw 738 ft after two weeks?! Daaamn!
Great stuff and great ideas for how to improve. Keep up the content.
This video is SO helpful! Thank you!!
Absolutely! Glad it helped Beau!!
You may have figured this out by now but a big tip I got was to look at my elbow when I'm lining up my throw. It works like this get your elbow on your line and keep your eye on your target, then when you reach back let your lead shoulder push your head so that you are almost looking down your arm in the reach back then pull through. this keeps your shoulders and your elbow in the straight line and will make consistently hitting your line easier. Check out foundation disc golfs video on backhand form its one of the best videos even though its supposed to be for beginners there are a lot of tips in there more advanced players can use.
Yeah, I'm with you. I think I've only thrown one decent backhand flex shot ever because I cannot throw anny. Thankfully, I throw forehand a lot but it's definitely a huge weakness in my game. Thanks for the tips and inspiration!
I didn't mention it in the video, but I'm the same way! For a while I was ok not having it, but I'd rather have multiple tools to throw the same shot. (For example: maybe I want the disc to land with backhand spin, but it's a shot I would normal throw forehand, or vice versa.)
I loved watching this you made a lot of improvements. Though one thing that I think is attributing to your off axis torque is when you reach back you reach down at an angle then as you pull through you have to lift up your arm to flat which is causing more a tourquey form. For example if you watch eagle throw in slo motion he reaches straight back and the disc stays the same height off the ground. When I was working on my form what i always thought about was once my back foot planted during my x step I would try and keep the disc in the same spot above the ground until my reach back peaked when my front foot planted then I would pull through. Hope that helps keep up the great work 🙂
Also the up and down motion contributes to the slight air bounce a saw on a few throws.
Great feedback Chris! Thank you. I noticed that during the final edit of the video, and will definitely try adjusting it!
yes was going to comment this same thing. pull straight through across the chest. great video looks like youre improving quickly.
I was gonna make the same comment and add one more thing: ending the footwork with balance on the plant foot instead of having excess momentum which isnt transfered into the disc.
The flat followthrough is something im really stoked to try out!
@@mathiasllandvelle5542 Not putting enough into the brace leg? Right?
I know Danny Lindahl has some really great videos talking about reachback that might be interesting to look into. He compares someone like Paul Mcbeth who is smaller and has shorter arms to an eagle who is taller with longer arms and how their reachbacks differ. I felt like that video really changed how I thought about my reachback and helped the consistency.
Thanks for mentioning that Camden! I'll find it and check it out.
great video. clear. clean. interesting.
Turns out this video is what I needed. Follow through, follow through
Amazing content bro! I need to try this out soon. You should do a video on grip! Not many videos are out there on that
Thanks Walker!!
Great video! That much improvement in only 7 days?! that's awesome
Thanks Drake!
That was a fun and informational video. Out of curiosity I want to know if you got any extra distance throwing flat compared to Hyzer. I would assume that a hyzer throw would fade out and die quickly, but I'd love to hear how it worked.(I know this wasn't about distance, but did you notice a different)
Thank you! Simple answer: yes! I'd say the biggest difference came with how much easier it was to get distance. (Stay tuned for a future video on distance!)