@@object13because it's just the same story being told slightly differently We already knew what happened and the story will remains the same, just with different storyteller. Whoever told the better story is a preference but Elly and S1ap are good storytellers and they successfully convinced me to watch yet another 1992 Hooters 500 story
Now your appearance there makes more sense, in a different way, seeing this now the next day: you kinda needed to, for your own sake as a helpful medicine to counteract this shit ya had to deal with so ya wouldn't have to slip too low. Hope it did help ya, but the old medicines while still some of the best can only do so much Hell I'm only half way through this and yeah the title is correct and not just clickbait-tactics
I never even got to really experience them. But to be fair I think IMSA's tents for merch are 3465345986734598 times better than NASCAR, there are shirts, hats, jackets, pretty much everything. And you get alot of time to get into the shade, make your choices, and even take pictures of something thats cool but your not gonna buy. Haha at Laguna Seca this year I even got a free bag of tortilla chips for the race.
This comment makes no sense at all, if you go to a nascar race ALL the haulers are separated by team…I just went to the last 3 Richmond races and all the trailers with merch were team based and 1 overall nascar hauler… so I have no idea what your comment is even referencing
I’m convinced it’s just racing. It’s insane how disgusting the people around racing at the top level act and I get we see the rich ones but no other types of sports leagues go this hard
If you are talking about Rick Hendrick, Joe Gibbs, Roger Penske, Michael Jordan, Richard Childress, Jimmie Johnson, etc. yes I agree. Plus all the Private Equity Firms that are buying stakes into teams.
@@Bad_Chemicals702That's why leagues like the NBA and MLB have antitrust exemptions. The lawsuit almost certainly means NASCAR doesn't, and frankly the different structure from other major American sports leagues is also eyebrow raising. For the big 4 American team sports, the team owners own and operate the league.
Only problem is you're taking legal definitions from a race driver who knows absolutely nothing about anti-trust laws. I think I'll believe the guy who has won EVERY SPORTS ANTI-TRUST LAWSUIT HE HAS FILED wand won billions of dollars in compensation for his clients.
Brad Keselowski said in a post-race interview in 2016 that NASCAR wasn't a fair sport; it's an entertaining sport. And the thing is, NASCAR didn't penalize him for that. If that wasn't NASCAR admitting to their lack of legitimacy, then I must be Daffy Duck.
@@flareog134 And it could be Michael Jordan and Denny Hamlin who burn that house down. Even if it isn't, teams should take note and try to rally against NASCAR.
@@mozeskertesz6398That all ready exists. It’s called GT racing Modern GT3-4 cars are closer to the production sports cars they are based on than nascar has been for nearly 50 years.
@@weinerdisc8099 - Couldn’t agree more. I kinda think there shouldn’t be a “house” in sport. Like sure, sports teams and leagues can be profitable and are enormous assets sometimes, but it feels like the notion of “sport” itself and its value is being lost when people’s defense of NASCAR (in this instance) is that it’s privately owned and they can do what they want. A sport’s sanctioning body shouldn’t be motivated by profit, per se, but to advance the sport itself and from that creating profit. It’s absurd to me that NASCAR’s core mission these days, aside from enriching its owners and controlling every part possible of “stock car racing,” is to create an “entertaining racing product.” Sport is inherently entertaining and has organically created so many amazing moments and stories. NASCAR should be fully focused on ensuring that their sport is fair. After that, that it can reach as many people who want to both participate in and observe it. Finally, profits should be used to promote the sport, to compensate those who give so much to it, and to protect the sanctity of sport itself, here Motorsport, by creating and keeping “the playing field” level.
I mean just look at the reaction to austin dillion wrecking people, grown adults were saying it's a good thing and getting up in their feels about joey logano. Nascar fans aren't smart
@@IllinoisRacer5 Yeah, I think the France family themselves have a cult. I keep going on about how Disney has a cult of followers, and Family Guy has a cult of followers. At worst though, those two cults just serve as a minor annoyance when you don't agree with them that every Disney movie is the greatest movie ever, or every Family Guy episode is the greatest cartoon episode ever respectively. The France family cult can cause legit harm to people, though. They're probably some of the biggest preachers of Democracy and individual rights; but in that same breath, they will defend every crooked move NASCAR does.
or Subway making money selling the Franchise products to the people running the places forcing them to buy x number of each product like in a pyramid scheme with almost no way out sounds like Cup drivers being forced into using everything from specific people with a max limit of parts and a minimum number of parts you have to order. Nobody is allowed to build there own spec car the way IROC did it back in the 2000's, or How NASCAR did it with previous gen 5/gen 6 Cup cars. If I had a NASCAR team I would as of 2019 had only a Nextel Series Car, maybe a starter team in Sportsman, those are not spec cars or close to it and you can still make money in these series becuse it is not trying to fix small gains with this new car.
@@caseysmith544the difference between NASCAR and Subway etc is that there are competitors in the foodservice industry. NASCAR has illegally snuffed out all competition and made themselves the only game in town.
@@Dupontman627 In the USA and most english speaking countries, Korea has still held steady. However, the stupid Practice is still being done by Subway on the orders.
I feel like the successful reopening of pennsboro speedway this weekend would be something in your wheelhouse for a short or a video or something. 150 years of continuous racing in some form at that track
The legitimately of professional sports is becoming more and more damming, because what was are escape from everyday life has now have become a mirror to realty.
And it's going to keep getting worse as we keep letting more politics get into sports. I don't just mean like who's running for President or activist groups like BLM or LGBTQ+; I mean BS like this, and Playoffs expansions, and nepotism.
If you control the bread and circuses you control the will of the public. Should they lose access to that bread and those circuses the common public will experience the world beyond the field that has decayed. Keeping people entertained is what allows current hyperwealth to continue to grow. Not because the people are distracted from goings on, but because it allows them to focus on something that isn't a hazard to their wellbeing. The problem is the wealthy continually need new eras to exploit, and now they're exploiting the shields that have kept them from public focus. Videogames, outdoor activities, music, video media, craftsman hobbies, sports... It's everywhere.
nascar emailing the teams at 5am forcing them to sign a deal at noon is still wild… i mean the bluds steves are just up randomly at 5 in the morning… 💀😭
It was actually a little after 6 PM, and they told the teams, "You WILL sign this by midnight, or else." Reading what Brad Keselowski had to say, he was absolutely scared. Richard Childress seems to be giving 23XI and FRM everything they need to successfully proceed with this.
There are days I'm shocked that fans don't flock to the local short tracks for series like World of Outlaws and USAC. Those races are way more exciting than NASCAR.
@@falconater51Irwindale is always great. I always love the energy that it provides. Especially with the ARCA race. Since I moved to NC the short track scene is great with LM and other divisions but it doesn't compare to Night of Destruction and those fun races Irwindale provides.
So the executive summary is that Uncle Jim France is somewhere between Emperor Palpatine, and Vince McMahon pulling back the hood and shouting, "IT'S ME AUSTIN!!! IT'S ME AUSTIN!!! IT WAS ME *ALL ALONG* AUSTIN!!!"
It'd just be nice if Jim could have his own Shane O' Mac giving him the Coast to Coast with a trash can, Hulk Hogan beating the tar out of him, Shawn Michaels giving him Sweet Chin Music, or Bret Hart locking him in the Sharpshooter at his own Super Bowl.
God I miss 90's NASCAR. ESPN, TNN, races on at 1:00 PM ET, merch trailers at the track which had really cool merch, having to actually be fast enough to race or you go home, a legitimate points system that provided a true champion, horsepower!, drivers who had personalities. Greed and the need for control has ruined NASCAR, like it does with everything.
TNN was my favorite network growing up, weekends were always awesome. Hunting and fishing, monster trucks, nascar, sprint cars, it was fun. I'd wake up at 7 or 8 on a saturday morning and make breakfast and just have a killer time.
"NASCAR cars are spec cars where NASCAR has their hands in that pie too." As much as I cheer against him on the track for his villian role, there's no coincidence in my mind that the weekend after Denny Hamlin didn't sign, his performance took a nosedive at every track following not signing the charters. There's no way that a triple Daytona 500 winner in top tier equipment couldn't pass on a superspeedway and a top 25 driver of all time started to immediately take hits in performance following the charter disagreement. NASCAR is going to try and screw over whoever didn't sign somehow and someway
December and January is a great time to try out floracing if you don't have a subscription, snowball derby, chili bowl midget nationals, gateway dirt nationals all on this winter.
I've totally moved on from nascar, stream dirt track racing now, watch some of the indycar races on tv. Current costs to participate in stock car racing don't really seem sustainable.
7:44 another side note about why this is a bad bad thing, is that Fanatics/Nascar Authentics/"Action" etc all have stuff like the Nascar die-cast scale model cars produced exclusively through Lionel, instead of the different merch companies buying and producing their own models. Everyone knows that is an expensive process, but because that is now consolidated and monopolized by Nascar, there is no incentive to make high quality models like what used to exist. And worse yet, THEY decided what cars get produced rather than the teams. A lot of really cool looking cars never get produced because they don't think they will be "profitable" enough. 🖕
Getting NASCAR merchandise sucks in general, I want more NASCAR merchandise in my wardrobe, but buying it sucks, most of the merchandise is sold online or at the track and with both options it's too inflated
Fanatics is one of the worst things to happen to official merch. The quality issue is the same with other sports because they'll negotiate a deal with a jersey/uniform company and then produce the uniforms at lower cost because of lower quality. If anyone remembers the issue with the see-through pants in baseball this year, that was because of Fanatics. NBA and NFL jerseys being ripped on the field? Fanatics. And if you go to the official merch store of teams you just get a slightly customized Fanatics store page. And because they have deals with every major sport to be the "exclusive supplier", that means they can do whatever they want with quality. Oh look, one company going and taking all the money in a business and seizing all the power and making things go downhill. Damn, no wonder why Jim France and NASCAR like them.
Or what is happening to Subway people being forced to buy X amount from the supplier that Subway contently owns where the company and supplier is now a part of a holding company that owns most of the lesser fast food chains like Wetzel's pretzels or that Cookie company that Subway used to own.
Nascar has always been inept. They fell into success in the '90s because cable TV needed to fill a void. The France family became filled with hubris thinking it was their Wheeling and dealing business acumen that built the success. They then proceeded to overexpose and oversaturate the market with NASCAR everything. It was inevitable that it would all flame out. It was never built for sustainable success. They don't even know how to do that. Let's add in the fact that the cars are shit and and the oval racing is a drag. They never tried to bring young people into the fold and now that they realize what their demographics are looking like it's too late. Everything's gimmick where they're just throwing shit against the wall at this point
Every thing went to crap in 2004. I know I been going to races since the 80’s. They ruined themselves in an effort to copy stick n ball gimmicks and more money.
"So where do we go from here?" For me, I'm done. After the shit show of a finish in Xfinity yesterday at the Rovel I'm done watching NASCAR. The controversies, inconsistencies, and bullying of the race teams is not what I signed up for when I started watching. It's time for me to find something else.
I recommend IndyCar. They don't get to race on ovals often (because NASCAR owns them all!), but when they do, IndyCar puts on an amazing old-school show
@@DecentlyDefault I also heavily recommend 24 Hours of Lemons. It's the purest form of racing there is that sticks it to other supposed "official" series, and isn't afraid to laugh at itself. Also, you can see the funniest themes and crapcans zipping around and occasionally exploding. Endurance racing at it's finest. There's also a Lemons Rally series. Super fun.
@colinnixon4570 You know outside of basketball he has a reputation for not being very savvy as a businessman. NASCAR's heading down the shitter and your cheerleading here isn't going to change that. I mean it's always been a joke on an international level but now even Americans have come to realize what a half-assed circus it is
The decline of nascar is a good thing IMO. I see racing in america going back to how it was before the 90s with indycar and dirt track having more of a presence. Nascar needs competition frankly
Back in the day Trans Am was just as popular as NASCAR, back when NASCAR was more of a southern regional thing. I'd love to see Trans Am have a huge resurgence.
This actually crazy, i think the title describes it very well, im afraid to see how this "charter/franchise" systems turn out in F1, and indycar, sadly its all about money and not racing. Also i didnt know about gen 7 cars being twice as expensive compared to gen 6 cars.... amazing.
@@GrandpaShark Yes but then NASCAR top people have in most cases a divested interest in these companies, so they got smart and greedy then raised the costs to double the average Gen 6 cars. I think the plan was to have the cars only be adding on 1/2 the cost of gen 6 to the then current cost of a Gen 6 car but dumb inflation from these companies happened because somebody allowed rules for companies to go unchecked on prices becuse of the amount of money given to the higher up people.
Excellent reporting. Why GM, Ford, and Toyota still are active in NASCAR is a mystery. Win on Sunday sell on Monday worked until that thing called Internet and influencers.
Insane amount of content. Their high limit 410 sprint tour, Lucas Oil late models, Eldora Crown Jewels, CARS tour, whelen/SMART modifieds, Asa super late models, USAC sprints and midgets. Awsome service. 100% worth the yearly subscription if you like short track racing.
Yeah.... greed is natural to humans. Honorable honest humans are RARE till we acknowledge this as a species and enforce against it EVERY gov't, company, and organization will be corrupted by greed. PERIOD
NASCAR's Officiating certainly doesn't help their case any Especially Considering Parker Kligerman getting screwed out of his First Career Xfinity Win at The Charlotte Roval
@@Bitterman5868Lol, like Junior's team doesn't benefit every single time. Junior just keeps his mouth shut like a good little soldier and never criticizes the powers that be.
This is a great video to show people when you hear them go “damn Greedy ass 23XII and Front Row, wanting so much money instead of just signing the agreement” Also when a company is so bad it makes RICHARD CHILDRESS look like a victim of greed, yeah that’s bad
All I have seen is people who don't like Jordan or black people saying a bunch of daily wire type corporationist propaganda ironically while mostly being white collar Yankie yuppies who are mostly inside adults who don't even know who Kyle Larson or Chase Elliot just saying Jordan is in the wrong calling him slurs and a communist. What are they talking about Jordan is a blue-collar billionaire Conservative Appalachian rural southern man who losses fat stacks in Nascar who just wants a team to drive STOCK CARS in A REAL CUP. People are really acting like Nascar doesn't have a history of high-test men fighting back against the France family, it's a sport started by bootleggers and war vets that got big by a fist fight involving wrenches and helmets after a literal car crash lol.
All I have seen is people who don't like Jordan or black people saying a bunch of corporationist propaganda ironically while mostly being white collar Yankie yuppies who are mostly inside adults who don't even know who Kyle Larson or Chase Elliot just saying Jordan is in the wrong calling him vile things and a commie. What are they talking about Jordan is a blue-collar billionaire Conservative Appalachian rural southern man who losses fat stacks in Nascar who just wants a team to drive STOCK CARS in A REAL CUP. People are really acting like Nascar doesn't have a history of high-test men fighting back against the France family, it's a sport started by bootleggers and war vets that got big by a fist fight involving wrenches and helmets after a literal car crash lol.
👍 It really bugs me when I see comments calling 23 Xi greedy! I heard Childress say he had no choice and I heard Jimmie Johnson intimate that they had no option either. I'd argue they'll be like MAJORITY of team owners. NASCAR demanding a signature like it did reeks of a bad deal for the teams. The merchandise is probably the worst (if you're MJ or Larson) but I hate the parity obsession, shared data, monopoly on parts, the awful ground effect that ruins cars and prevents those classic 'beat it straight and get back out there' moments...plus the officiating and 'win and you're in' format is ridiculous. Once a sport loses integrity, once it is seen as a lottery that's near impossible to fix. It shouldn't be like a 40 runner steeplechase with no form! However thats where its heading and a succession of champions who weren't the best car, team or driver just damages sport further....
The ghost of Curtis Turner still haunts Charlottesville motor speedway, whispering "unionize" the ears of participating racers. Good to see a new upload from ya, my friend. ;^)
NASCAR just needs to stop. They’re killing themselves with their control and will one day eliminate the sport because the teams will walk out on them. It’s not even a sport anymore with their stupid manipulative race styles and officiating. It’s a show. It IS the WWE of racing. It’s sad, but it’s true
There's just one major difference: the "competitors" and managers are in on what WWE plans to do. NASCAR doesn't let the teams or drivers in on what they plan on doing.
@@nascarfanatic2425 NASCAR people at the top did have mutual mergers like with Menard's ARCA and Buying out of tracks, the poor part was leaving the drivers on some rules then all of the teams out of the loop.
@@caseysmith544 Well that's what I mean; the teams and drivers aren't let in on what they plan. They definitely didn't let Hendrick Motorsports in on DQ'ing Alex Bowman.
I'm looking to move on as well. What different racing series would you suggest? I'm thinking about getting invested into V8 supercars down in Australia.
Same here. I’ve been to over 75 Cup races at 17 different tracks. But I’ve become a huge fan of 410 winged sprints. Have no desire to ever to go to a, as my friend would say, NAPCAR race again.
I mean, given the sport's roots in criminal activity, its almost poetic seeing the organization graduate and scale up from rum running. Not great, but befitting
I'm not going pretend like i understand the intricacies of nascar's business model i just know the racing sucks on anything but some intermediates now.
@@GamecockenBradProfessional sports as a whole is, especially the NFL. Now with "sports betting" it will only get worse. Professional sports is now nothing but entertainment and a way to make money
@@CadenZoucha He got bopped for speeding during green flag pitstops, and then when he served his stop-and-go he flipped off the officials, so race control parked him for 2 laps. Kyle wasn't having it and complaining about freedom of speech on the radio, at which point Dave Rogers started yelling at him to just park it.
THE MAN IS BACK. But I really find it mind blowing how NASCAR itself has all these issues, but IMSA (NASCAR owned) is absolutely flourishing and thriving. John Doonan really is doing an amazing job
Great video. In no other sport would the “sanctioning body” be owning the stadiums, merchandise IP, team gear, rulebook, as well as be the game referees. It’s crazy.
Completely insane. So many great short tracks in America they should be racing at. Events at places like eldora, oswego, hickory, five flags would bring tremendous hype
Actually this is standard for top level motorsports. Even if it's not an outright ownership there's going to be lots of 1ncestuous ties between the teams, tracks, sanctioning body, and media rights negotiators.
@@FallingPicturesProductions - Oh, for sure. Honestly, that’s sort of how most “business” works and why “networking” and connections are so often valued. But man - is it all so blatant in other Motorsports? Like, I get why a track owner, promoter, and certain teams might legally collude to maximize things for themselves, but at least that’s three different entities! As I understand it, the France family has even been angling to field their own race teams using the unissued charters reserved at the beginning for new teams. Like damn! Edit - it’d be like the owner of the Yankees also being the commissioner of baseball in a lifetime, hereditary role with the finances of “baseball” itself tied to his own. More, that the commissioner also owns something like half the teams (not a perfect analogy, but using teams as analogues for tracks) and can also call “balls and strikes” from the owner’s box. It’s too much influence for one entity to have over a national sport, in my view, and the role of NASCAR commissioner should be like the MLB where the various stakeholders vote for that person.
Once i discovered the national 410 sprint car scene i lost interest in nascar. Could be brought back if they started running more short tracks and built a way better car for it
Kenny's posted a lot of stuff about, I don't know if he's all team NASCAR but he did say Parker got screwed over that's a sign he's not totally been bought and sold, he actually will call out drivers too.
This is along the lines of College Football back in the day when the NCAA controlled both TV and merchandising, and yes that was taken down by a lawsuit.
Only long time fans will remember when they had races on PPV channels. We had a cheater box when I was growing up, so we still watched the races for free.
I know this was briefly mentioned towards the end, but I just wanted to say this. This is why I've always been entirely against gambling being allowed in any sport or source of entertainment whatsoever. We have enough problems already with trying to hold people accountable for throwing money around like NASCAR in this case. It amazes me how many people don't realize how much WORSE gambling would make those same problems & if anything exasperate those issues even further
Your right but the fact is people have been gambling on sports almost as long as they exist....despite the fact it was largely was illegal. It was only a matter of time before the US govt took a big bribe and the easy gambling tax revenue after they saw what happened with marijuana and the billions they made off that. Gambling is only going to become more common in sports and daily life sadly.... not stopping it now. Certainly seen some VERY suspicious results in NFL games and UFC fights.....sometimes you cant help but wonder.
The charters were the idea of Rob Kauffman & Race Team Alliance. Nascar never wanted them. The next Gen car was the idea of the teams. They wanted to save money on developing & producing all their own parts. Now they complain they can only buy from approved sources.
13:52 I'm honestly surprised NASCAR hasn't started shilling gambling the same way other sports have done. I expect to see a lot of it in the next couple of years.
“The house always wins” It’s different now. Many of us fans are standing with the teams and people who make NASCAR great, rather than NASCAR itself. We’ll happily move on to Indy, WOO, Rally or whatever else if NASCAR doesn’t do right by the teams and improve its product. I’m happy stepping away knowing I got to watch the best race car of all time hit the track (the Gen 4).
9:15 this sounds like a trust. This sounds like the sort of trust that Sherman passed a law against over 100 years ago. MJ has a point with his lawsuit.
The Auto Club deal I think is worth mentioning too (an ISC track they owned). Go watch the videos of the "progress" of that and you'll see the track will be gone there will be no short track like they originally talked about. Rather than staying in the SoCal market and being loyal to those fans they took the real estate money (millions of it) and ran. Just another business move they made to keep revenue flowing.
IMSA's already fucked up if you look close enough, between the never-ending plague of late-race restarts and Dan Binks's offhand comments about not even being able to drill a hole in a C7.R unless it was on the FIA paperwork. The days of taking an old Firebird, throwing all the go-fast bits at it that the rules will let you get away with, buying a small stack of old racing tires and bringing a bunch of beer buddies to the Rolex 24 are gone too. The one good thing about IMSA is that there's so much car variety that things can still look, for all the world, as though they're A-OK.
@@Ohtechnik You're right. I do hate this, if only for the fact that it automatically assumes IndyCar execs are somehow less inept and corrupt than NASCAR's execs. They're all the same, folks. That needs to be remembered.
Enjoy the video, a lot of great information. One thing about the pre-2001 tv deal. Many people think it was difficult to keep up with races on different channels each weekend. It really wasn't. All the channels were on your cable or satellite provider. You had 40-50 channels tops and if you knew which of the six networks carried races that year, you had six channels to look for. Next year, you may need three or four different apps/subscriptions to catch all the racing, just more money in someone else's pockets. At the end of the day as you stated, teams come and go, money changes hands and the cycle starts over. Lastly, with fewer races on network tv in the past, fewer races got bumped off the air if an overrun happened. On the cable stations, an Andy Griffith rerun, a lot rolling tournament or some other odd show was preempted. Today, it gets bumped off the network to a secondary station that maybe not everyone has. The tv situation could be much better.
This video should be seen by EVERY NASCAR fan. It annoys me that there are fans who are saying “if you don’t like it then leave” clearly either ignoring or not knowing how in the wrong NASCAR is. This paints a picture in a way everyone can easily understand why the teams were upset and why 23xi and Front Row are refusing to give up the fight. As always, great video and very well researched
"If you don't like it then leave!" Is just dumb boomer oversimplification of every problem, in most cases it's never that simple, while it's simple in itself to stop watching NASCAR because it's no longer enjoyable, it's not that simple how it got so bad and to me it got really really bad really really fast, sure stages and playoffs were dumb but usually at least the racing was pretty good, now more often than not races are either really boring or devolve into a shit show or NASCAR makes terrible officiating calls in the name of entertainment.
Disagree. Things have to change. NASCAR can do it. It doesn’t have to be like the NFL or the NBA. Sit down with Dirvers and Lawyers, Rebrand yourself as a SPORT, they’re just scared, I’m a diehard fan, I’ll continue to watch.
I’m just glad to have watched back when there were Buicks, Pontiacs, Chevys, Fords, Oldsmobiles, and Dodges racing. They didn’t have debris cautions back then. It’s totally different now. Oh well. I’ll watch and yell at the tv when nascar throws a caution right before the white flag, like yesterday at the Xfinity roval race. GWC, what bullshit. Playoffs more bullshit. Like someone said earlier, going to watch an old race on VHS…
NASCAR wants to do the same thing that Feld Entertainment did with Monster Jam. They want to own all the teams themselves and then pay the original owners a salary to run them, giving the appearance that they are independent.
Googled to see if the RTA is still in existence. Got me here. Incredibly informative. Answered so many more of my questions than anyplace else I've looked. Sounds like something like the RTA may still exist but that most have concluded that NASCAR holds all the cards and there's nothing that can be done about it. Guess it could come down to which judge ends up being in charge. The merch thing is incredible. The Penske boost button thing, too. Humans seem to be almost predictably weird. 🙂 Power does seem to abuse. . .
Regarding the bit at 12:55, Nascar also owns IMSA, and actually does field their own team there. You might know them as Action Express racing, who field the number 31 whelen car most notably with Pipo Derani. They've won 6 championships in their class, although as we've seen despite being ran by the same person, IMSA is ran much tighter compared to Nascar. Should Nascar revoke the 23XI and FRM charters we'll probably see an expansion of Action Express into Nascar, don't know who'd drive for them (Ben Kennedy returns?), but knowing how much nascar loves to manipulate races nowadays I can't imagine they'd do any worse than be borderline playoff contenders. Anything to push the agenda
I hate to be black pilled as the kids say, but I really think Nascar is gonna collapse if it keeps going as is. Nascar is just doing too many things to get in it's own way or try to "improve" the sport, only for it blow up in their face. I just hope when all is said and done Nascar is back to the way it was before 2004, with the only change being more points between 1st place and below spots and at least 4-5 road courses on the schedule.
@@nicestoriesnottherealstori3006 What I'm saying is that soon NASCAR *will* be scripted, and just like wresting it'll take decades for the audience to figure that out.
You done good S1ap!!!!! This video was worth the wait, but please don’t make us wait this long until the next one. And I have already watched the Elly vid. Kudos!
Some back marker teams really made out. BJ McCleod and the &78 40 mill. Holy sh^t. I know Derrike Cope and the 99 made a lot of money when they sold there Charter, ironically to 23X a few years ago.
They also own IMSA So they control both the top stock car championship and the top sports cars championship But in IMSA it's sort of inline with the ACO which controls a lot of prototype and endurance racing around the world
13:09 I thought the P2P scandal in Indycar was that 2 of the 3 Penske drivers used P2P on the first lap after a restart, which isn't allowed, and that the Penske team said it was a "glitch" that caused it.
Yeah pretty much, Newgarden used it pretty extensively on restarts while the other two really didn't. They did not however had unlimited P2P just on restarts.
Not sure what the team said about it, but I know Newgarden said it was a misunderstanding of the rules which seems odd given they are the team of the guy who writes the rules. Maclauglin used it a little on restart so also got DQ'd, but Power did not and only got a loss of points.
nobody will agree with me but i have a sort of business proposal. -teams split from nascar -they all come together and build a car that everybody likes -the team owners come together and create a racing series -they race at a mix of grassroots tracks (hickory, south boston, etc.), but also go back to tracks that nascar dosent own (SMI tracks) -all team owners and high powered executives run it and officiate it so everybody agrees and if they don’t they can adjust whatever call on and off track
@OccasionalNASCARRaces There are plenty of other options though. I will list some of them below. Ovals above 1/2 mile: Indianapolis Raceway Park (Short Track & Road Course) Indianapolis Motor Speedway (especially if Penske is part of a theoretical Stock Car split) Pocono Raceway World Wide Technology Raceway (Gateway) Homestead Miami Speedway Milwaukee Mile Pikes Peak International Raceway Rockingham Speedway Evergreen Speedway Nashville Fairgrounds Speedway Oswego Speedway Road Courses: Atlanta Motorsports Park Barber Motorsports Park Buttonwillow Raceway Park Circuit of the Americas Lime Rock Park NCM Motorsports Park Road America Virginia International Raceway Laguna Seca Willow Springs This list is not every track they could run on either, so there would be plenty of options.
In a perfect world, that lawsuit has grounds. This is a classic example of vertical integration. If the US stays on its current antitrust run, I could see nascar getting sanctions. That won’t happen if the FTC is gutted come January, though.
As an Indycar fan in addition to NASCAR, it is absolutely stupid & mind boggling that Indycar has followed NASCAR in adopting the charter system for 2025 onwards especially considering the fact Roger Penske has seen firsthand what the charter system has done in NASCAR. In my view a lot of the problems that are associated with the charter system in NASCAR will be 100 times worse in the Indycar charter system considering the fact that it is more expensive to operate an Indycar team than a NASCAR one. Indycar says that the charter system will grow /sustain the sport when I actually think it will have the opposite effect because teams like Prema (who are joining Indycar next year) are basically banned from the shared revenue that is split among the teams in Indycar for the first 3 years they are a team & they are not guaranteed a spot on the grid & have to qualify for each race. However Prema had to agree to these terms to even be allowed to enter Indycar for next season. The only good thing to come out of the charter system in Indycar is that the traditional qualifying format for the Indy 500 (aka Bump Day) will remain for now though I would expect the big teams like Ganassi, Penske & Andretti to push for all of their entries into that race (not just the chartered ones) to be guaranteed a spot, making it even harder for the smaller teams & the teams that only do the Indy 500 to get in.
Checkout my collaboration with @EllyProductions49 on the 1992 NASCAR finale right here: th-cam.com/video/tze2krlNin8/w-d-xo.html
what are you talking abuot trump winning 1 dollar, he won more than A Dollar, he won 3 dollars and 76 cents Slap in the future.
i didnt enjoy it much, mostly because you tell better stories than him.
On the contrary, it was a great video.
@@object13because it's just the same story being told slightly differently
We already knew what happened and the story will remains the same, just with different storyteller.
Whoever told the better story is a preference but Elly and S1ap are good storytellers and they successfully convinced me to watch yet another 1992 Hooters 500 story
Now your appearance there makes more sense, in a different way, seeing this now the next day: you kinda needed to, for your own sake as a helpful medicine to counteract this shit ya had to deal with so ya wouldn't have to slip too low. Hope it did help ya, but the old medicines while still some of the best can only do so much
Hell I'm only half way through this and yeah the title is correct and not just clickbait-tactics
The removal of team based merch trailers really showed nascars true colors i miss em they were so fun
I agree!
I never even got to really experience them. But to be fair I think IMSA's tents for merch are 3465345986734598 times better than NASCAR, there are shirts, hats, jackets, pretty much everything. And you get alot of time to get into the shade, make your choices, and even take pictures of something thats cool but your not gonna buy. Haha at Laguna Seca this year I even got a free bag of tortilla chips for the race.
@@ArturoDrivessounds no different than nascar haulers and their merch
I wish NASCAR would just put the team shirts in regular stores like Walmart and Meijer
This comment makes no sense at all, if you go to a nascar race ALL the haulers are separated by team…I just went to the last 3 Richmond races and all the trailers with merch were team based and 1 overall nascar hauler… so I have no idea what your comment is even referencing
Guys I don’t think these filthy rich people have the best interests of the sport in mind. Just a hunch. It’s really weird.
I’m convinced it’s just racing. It’s insane how disgusting the people around racing at the top level act and I get we see the rich ones but no other types of sports leagues go this hard
If you are talking about Rick Hendrick, Joe Gibbs, Roger Penske, Michael Jordan, Richard Childress, Jimmie Johnson, etc. yes I agree. Plus all the Private Equity Firms that are buying stakes into teams.
Jordan is filthy rich. As is Pitbull..
Boy, it sure does sound like a Monopoly to me.
@@Bad_Chemicals702That's why leagues like the NBA and MLB have antitrust exemptions. The lawsuit almost certainly means NASCAR doesn't, and frankly the different structure from other major American sports leagues is also eyebrow raising. For the big 4 American team sports, the team owners own and operate the league.
Harvick said it "NASCAR isnt a league, its an entertainment company"
Only problem is you're taking legal definitions from a race driver who knows absolutely nothing about anti-trust laws. I think I'll believe the guy who has won EVERY SPORTS ANTI-TRUST LAWSUIT HE HAS FILED wand won billions of dollars in compensation for his clients.
Rasslin’ on wheels
Brad Keselowski said in a post-race interview in 2016 that NASCAR wasn't a fair sport; it's an entertaining sport. And the thing is, NASCAR didn't penalize him for that. If that wasn't NASCAR admitting to their lack of legitimacy, then I must be Daffy Duck.
Yeah sports entertainment
Not genius GREED. I miss when each team had their own merchandise
You are right, the house always wins... that is, until it completely collapses.
the house always wins until someone snaps and burns it down
@@flareog134 And it could be Michael Jordan and Denny Hamlin who burn that house down. Even if it isn't, teams should take note and try to rally against NASCAR.
@@nascarfanatic2425 Why not make a new series in the spirit of the original nascar, with actually close to stock cars?
@@mozeskertesz6398That all ready exists. It’s called GT racing Modern GT3-4 cars are closer to the production sports cars they are based on than nascar has been for nearly 50 years.
The house always wins until a squirrel bites a gas line
“The house always wins.”
Well, that needs to change, for the sake of the sport itself.
@@weinerdisc8099 - Couldn’t agree more. I kinda think there shouldn’t be a “house” in sport. Like sure, sports teams and leagues can be profitable and are enormous assets sometimes, but it feels like the notion of “sport” itself and its value is being lost when people’s defense of NASCAR (in this instance) is that it’s privately owned and they can do what they want. A sport’s sanctioning body shouldn’t be motivated by profit, per se, but to advance the sport itself and from that creating profit. It’s absurd to me that NASCAR’s core mission these days, aside from enriching its owners and controlling every part possible of “stock car racing,” is to create an “entertaining racing product.” Sport is inherently entertaining and has organically created so many amazing moments and stories. NASCAR should be fully focused on ensuring that their sport is fair. After that, that it can reach as many people who want to both participate in and observe it. Finally, profits should be used to promote the sport, to compensate those who give so much to it, and to protect the sanctity of sport itself, here Motorsport, by creating and keeping “the playing field” level.
Michael Jordan knows all about gambling
Nascar will never change. A huge part of the fanbase is backwards southerners who love all this nepotism stuff.
I mean just look at the reaction to austin dillion wrecking people, grown adults were saying it's a good thing and getting up in their feels about joey logano. Nascar fans aren't smart
@@IllinoisRacer5 Yeah, I think the France family themselves have a cult. I keep going on about how Disney has a cult of followers, and Family Guy has a cult of followers. At worst though, those two cults just serve as a minor annoyance when you don't agree with them that every Disney movie is the greatest movie ever, or every Family Guy episode is the greatest cartoon episode ever respectively. The France family cult can cause legit harm to people, though. They're probably some of the biggest preachers of Democracy and individual rights; but in that same breath, they will defend every crooked move NASCAR does.
Just like Mc Donald's. You don't make money selling burgers, you make money by owning the real estate and leasing it to the guy selling burgers.
or Subway making money selling the Franchise products to the people running the places forcing them to buy x number of each product like in a pyramid scheme with almost no way out sounds like Cup drivers being forced into using everything from specific people with a max limit of parts and a minimum number of parts you have to order. Nobody is allowed to build there own spec car the way IROC did it back in the 2000's, or How NASCAR did it with previous gen 5/gen 6 Cup cars. If I had a NASCAR team I would as of 2019 had only a Nextel Series Car, maybe a starter team in Sportsman, those are not spec cars or close to it and you can still make money in these series becuse it is not trying to fix small gains with this new car.
@@caseysmith544the difference between NASCAR and Subway etc is that there are competitors in the foodservice industry. NASCAR has illegally snuffed out all competition and made themselves the only game in town.
@@caseysmith544Subway fell off after Jared was caught in 2015
@@Dupontman627 In the USA and most english speaking countries, Korea has still held steady. However, the stupid Practice is still being done by Subway on the orders.
Nonsense man. I work there and I am making good money so there you freaking go jerk
I feel like the successful reopening of pennsboro speedway this weekend would be something in your wheelhouse for a short or a video or something. 150 years of continuous racing in some form at that track
The legitimately of professional sports is becoming more and more damming, because what was are escape from everyday life has now have become a mirror to realty.
And it's going to keep getting worse as we keep letting more politics get into sports. I don't just mean like who's running for President or activist groups like BLM or LGBTQ+; I mean BS like this, and Playoffs expansions, and nepotism.
It's the biggest piece of dog sh*t-The Rock
Always has been.
If you control the bread and circuses you control the will of the public. Should they lose access to that bread and those circuses the common public will experience the world beyond the field that has decayed.
Keeping people entertained is what allows current hyperwealth to continue to grow. Not because the people are distracted from goings on, but because it allows them to focus on something that isn't a hazard to their wellbeing. The problem is the wealthy continually need new eras to exploit, and now they're exploiting the shields that have kept them from public focus. Videogames, outdoor activities, music, video media, craftsman hobbies, sports... It's everywhere.
@@taomasterwaka6287Never this bad.
nascar emailing the teams at 5am forcing them to sign a deal at noon is still wild…
i mean the bluds steves are just up randomly at 5 in the morning… 💀😭
For real I regularly wake up at 10 so if I was in that position I would have had less than 2 hours to sign
It was actually a little after 6 PM, and they told the teams, "You WILL sign this by midnight, or else." Reading what Brad Keselowski had to say, he was absolutely scared. Richard Childress seems to be giving 23XI and FRM everything they need to successfully proceed with this.
It's so scummy how companies, both big and small, fully expect you to check your e-mail more than once every 24hrs.
No it was 6pm even worse
Greed, Greed,Greed!! Nascar the actual product is pure garbage!!
I don't see anything but a continued decline for nascar in the future sadly. Once the largely boomer tv audience goes away things could get hairy
Yep. Free live streams on the Internet is the only reason I'm still halfway engaged with nascar now a days.
Yeah I'm not paying for cable to watch this junk sorry nascar
Cable isn't worth it in general
Sell the sport.
@@SethTanmerling true... not a problem in my country (we get races on youtube, legally). but for y'all it's true
Yes! You’re back for real! We missed you, S1ap!
I legit just wondered what happened to him like 2 days ago and here he is
Same lol i was like 6 months ago dam
There are days I'm shocked that fans don't flock to the local short tracks for series like World of Outlaws and USAC. Those races are way more exciting than NASCAR.
Alot of us don’t have those facilities even remotely close, unfortunately.
Lot of love for Irwindale Speedway when I lived in California. Seats were full almost every weekend.
@@falconater51Irwindale is always great. I always love the energy that it provides. Especially with the ARCA race. Since I moved to NC the short track scene is great with LM and other divisions but it doesn't compare to Night of Destruction and those fun races Irwindale provides.
Better "real" racing at Accord Speedway 😊
Kyle Busch running the USAC midget west coast swing and the chili bowl this year
So the executive summary is that Uncle Jim France is somewhere between Emperor Palpatine, and Vince McMahon pulling back the hood and shouting, "IT'S ME AUSTIN!!! IT'S ME AUSTIN!!! IT WAS ME *ALL ALONG* AUSTIN!!!"
Jerry Jones is the Palpatine of the NFL
They want UNLIMITED POWAAAAAHHHHHHHH
Hey throw in a touch of Dana white because he's been doing this to the ufc
Errr, 😂😂😂
It'd just be nice if Jim could have his own Shane O' Mac giving him the Coast to Coast with a trash can, Hulk Hogan beating the tar out of him, Shawn Michaels giving him Sweet Chin Music, or Bret Hart locking him in the Sharpshooter at his own Super Bowl.
With this all said it is not farfetched to say that Nascar could control who win races to!!! 22!!!!!!!
All professional sports are scripted including high level racing. You can still find some information about this on the internet if you dig
It isn't 'stock car' racing; it is 'spec car' racing.
It's funny ppl still think those cars are the same. Not even the fuel pump is the same as a street car
@@limbeboy7 Where can I purchase a V8 powered rear wheel drive Camry?
the cars haven’t been stock for decades.
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@@mutantryeff You do realize that Chevy doesn't produce a "car" right now outside of the Corvette thats V8 powered.....
NASCAR is gonna try and be oldskool wrestling where people want to believe it's real but can see the fuckery right before their eyes.
Try? That’s what they’ve been doing for 20 years.
@@zlinedavid At least.
God I miss 90's NASCAR. ESPN, TNN, races on at 1:00 PM ET, merch trailers at the track which had really cool merch, having to actually be fast enough to race or you go home, a legitimate points system that provided a true champion, horsepower!, drivers who had personalities. Greed and the need for control has ruined NASCAR, like it does with everything.
yeah, yr not jokin'. My buddy was a small vendor back than, all access passes and the air was electric...
As one of my local TH-camrs said: "With time, everything commercialises, and turns into dogshit, just like my channel".
Back when tnn was The Nashville Network!
corparations. i knew it was over when they started sellin used cars. and anything else. what a shame. were sorry, its our policy.
TNN was my favorite network growing up, weekends were always awesome. Hunting and fishing, monster trucks, nascar, sprint cars, it was fun. I'd wake up at 7 or 8 on a saturday morning and make breakfast and just have a killer time.
HOLY SHIT THE BIG MAN POSTED! Welcome back S1ap, we all missed you!
Disband NASCAR. We need to fix these problems and the only way to fix them is to dismantle the sanctioning body in its entirety.
Hard to imagine the coast to coast stock car tour that is nascar can last at the current cost it takes to operate a competitive team.
"NASCAR cars are spec cars where NASCAR has their hands in that pie too."
As much as I cheer against him on the track for his villian role, there's no coincidence in my mind that the weekend after Denny Hamlin didn't sign, his performance took a nosedive at every track following not signing the charters. There's no way that a triple Daytona 500 winner in top tier equipment couldn't pass on a superspeedway and a top 25 driver of all time started to immediately take hits in performance following the charter disagreement. NASCAR is going to try and screw over whoever didn't sign somehow and someway
it’s clear to me that you are not very smart
This is why they went with EFI. NASCAR can easily manipulate the tuning on a car by car basis.
December and January is a great time to try out floracing if you don't have a subscription, snowball derby, chili bowl midget nationals, gateway dirt nationals all on this winter.
Do they have a monthly subscription option?
@@TyG-r1byes, yearly is a better deal though
It just so happens they even have a little road racing if you like Porsches ;)
I've totally moved on from nascar, stream dirt track racing now, watch some of the indycar races on tv. Current costs to participate in stock car racing don't really seem sustainable.
Agree there's better options out there
Literally exactly the same
Outside of darlington and dover, dirt oval is the only oval racing I watch now. Floracing is really awesome.
They aren't
@AldridgeKarting88 what's your opinion on the world of outlaws dirtvison service?
7:44 another side note about why this is a bad bad thing, is that Fanatics/Nascar Authentics/"Action" etc all have stuff like the Nascar die-cast scale model cars produced exclusively through Lionel, instead of the different merch companies buying and producing their own models. Everyone knows that is an expensive process, but because that is now consolidated and monopolized by Nascar, there is no incentive to make high quality models like what used to exist. And worse yet, THEY decided what cars get produced rather than the teams. A lot of really cool looking cars never get produced because they don't think they will be "profitable" enough. 🖕
Action was the 🐐 of Die-cast.
Getting NASCAR merchandise sucks in general, I want more NASCAR merchandise in my wardrobe, but buying it sucks, most of the merchandise is sold online or at the track and with both options it's too inflated
I've got 90's Racing Champions of some very obscure drivers, drivers who wouldn't get a diecast past preorder and get DNP'd nowadays.
Fanatics is one of the worst things to happen to official merch. The quality issue is the same with other sports because they'll negotiate a deal with a jersey/uniform company and then produce the uniforms at lower cost because of lower quality. If anyone remembers the issue with the see-through pants in baseball this year, that was because of Fanatics. NBA and NFL jerseys being ripped on the field? Fanatics. And if you go to the official merch store of teams you just get a slightly customized Fanatics store page. And because they have deals with every major sport to be the "exclusive supplier", that means they can do whatever they want with quality.
Oh look, one company going and taking all the money in a business and seizing all the power and making things go downhill. Damn, no wonder why Jim France and NASCAR like them.
The parts mandate section sounds like Quiznos' decline all over again.
That's what the owners wanted.
Or what is happening to Subway people being forced to buy X amount from the supplier that Subway contently owns where the company and supplier is now a part of a holding company that owns most of the lesser fast food chains like Wetzel's pretzels or that Cookie company that Subway used to own.
Nascar has always been inept. They fell into success in the '90s because cable TV needed to fill a void. The France family became filled with hubris thinking it was their Wheeling and dealing business acumen that built the success. They then proceeded to overexpose and oversaturate the market with NASCAR everything. It was inevitable that it would all flame out. It was never built for sustainable success. They don't even know how to do that. Let's add in the fact that the cars are shit and and the oval racing is a drag. They never tried to bring young people into the fold and now that they realize what their demographics are looking like it's too late. Everything's gimmick where they're just throwing shit against the wall at this point
Every thing went to crap in 2004. I know I been going to races since the 80’s. They ruined themselves in an effort to copy stick n ball gimmicks and more money.
Remember Provisionals? U don’t qualify u don’t race no matter the sponser.
"So where do we go from here?" For me, I'm done. After the shit show of a finish in Xfinity yesterday at the Rovel I'm done watching NASCAR. The controversies, inconsistencies, and bullying of the race teams is not what I signed up for when I started watching. It's time for me to find something else.
I recommend IndyCar. They don't get to race on ovals often (because NASCAR owns them all!), but when they do, IndyCar puts on an amazing old-school show
Check out 410 sprint car racing
Will do. Thank you both.
@@DecentlyDefault I also heavily recommend 24 Hours of Lemons. It's the purest form of racing there is that sticks it to other supposed "official" series, and isn't afraid to laugh at itself. Also, you can see the funniest themes and crapcans zipping around and occasionally exploding. Endurance racing at it's finest.
There's also a Lemons Rally series. Super fun.
Who the fuck would invest $40 million in NASCAR? A declining series?
Jordan is and I’m betting he knows things you don’t
@colinnixon4570 You know outside of basketball he has a reputation for not being very savvy as a businessman. NASCAR's heading down the shitter and your cheerleading here isn't going to change that. I mean it's always been a joke on an international level but now even Americans have come to realize what a half-assed circus it is
The decline of nascar is a good thing IMO. I see racing in america going back to how it was before the 90s with indycar and dirt track having more of a presence. Nascar needs competition frankly
@@DaltonHerzmann Better yet, SELL THE SPORT.
Back in the day Trans Am was just as popular as NASCAR, back when NASCAR was more of a southern regional thing. I'd love to see Trans Am have a huge resurgence.
Also we have IMSA, which is arguably better than the WEC.
@@limpetarch98k Sadly IMSA is owned by NASCAR.......................
@@baxatakbaxatak2014 I remember seeing that at one point, NASCAR was considering being up for sale.
This actually crazy, i think the title describes it very well, im afraid to see how this "charter/franchise" systems turn out in F1, and indycar, sadly its all about money and not racing. Also i didnt know about gen 7 cars being twice as expensive compared to gen 6 cars.... amazing.
F1 has been a defacto charter system for years. Them stiffing Andretti proved that.
@@S1apShoes yep, exactly, for me, its just degrading the sport
But the team owners wanted the gen 7 car to save them money. Less R&D, testing & producing their own parts.
@@GrandpaSharkBut the big teams also made money in developing said parts and services as well.
@@GrandpaShark Yes but then NASCAR top people have in most cases a divested interest in these companies, so they got smart and greedy then raised the costs to double the average Gen 6 cars. I think the plan was to have the cars only be adding on 1/2 the cost of gen 6 to the then current cost of a Gen 6 car but dumb inflation from these companies happened because somebody allowed rules for companies to go unchecked on prices becuse of the amount of money given to the higher up people.
Excellent reporting. Why GM, Ford, and Toyota still are active in NASCAR is a mystery. Win on Sunday sell on Monday worked until that thing called Internet and influencers.
Especially since the next generation cars all like like shoe boxes 📦....
Floracing subscription=freedom from nascar's slop. Alot of great pavement and dirt short track stuff on there now.
Insane amount of content. Their high limit 410 sprint tour, Lucas Oil late models, Eldora Crown Jewels, CARS tour, whelen/SMART modifieds, Asa super late models, USAC sprints and midgets. Awsome service. 100% worth the yearly subscription if you like short track racing.
I'm not super familiar with the pavement stuff on there but I heard they are broadcasting the full snowball derby this year
Lucas oil and CARS tour have been excellent this year
@SprintCarMan24 yep, will be the biggest pavement race they have covered live to date
100 percent. compare the racing in the world 100 this year versus another daytona 500 demo derby
"So where do we go from here?" My suggestion would be somewhere that isn't controlled by the National Association of Spec Car Auto Racing.
Yeah.... greed is natural to humans. Honorable honest humans are RARE till we acknowledge this as a species and enforce against it EVERY gov't, company, and organization will be corrupted by greed. PERIOD
NASCAR's Officiating certainly doesn't help their case any
Especially Considering Parker Kligerman getting screwed out of his First Career Xfinity Win at The Charlotte Roval
Also screwed SVG too, and Jr probably didnt like being involved with another controversy thanks to Mayer, AGAIN
@@Bitterman5868Lol, like Junior's team doesn't benefit every single time. Junior just keeps his mouth shut like a good little soldier and never criticizes the powers that be.
NASCAR is getting pretty good at making me want to avoid giving them any more of my money
@@JJRacer43same
This is a great video to show people when you hear them go “damn Greedy ass 23XII and Front Row, wanting so much money instead of just signing the agreement”
Also when a company is so bad it makes RICHARD CHILDRESS look like a victim of greed, yeah that’s bad
All I have seen is people who don't like Jordan or black people saying a bunch of daily wire type corporationist propaganda ironically while mostly being white collar Yankie yuppies who are mostly inside adults who don't even know who Kyle Larson or Chase Elliot just saying Jordan is in the wrong calling him slurs and a communist.
What are they talking about Jordan is a blue-collar billionaire Conservative Appalachian rural southern man who losses fat stacks in Nascar who just wants a team to drive STOCK CARS in A REAL CUP.
People are really acting like Nascar doesn't have a history of high-test men fighting back against the France family, it's a sport started by bootleggers and war vets that got big by a fist fight involving wrenches and helmets after a literal car crash lol.
All I have seen is people who don't like Jordan or black people saying a bunch of corporationist propaganda ironically while mostly being white collar Yankie yuppies who are mostly inside adults who don't even know who Kyle Larson or Chase Elliot just saying Jordan is in the wrong calling him vile things and a commie.
What are they talking about Jordan is a blue-collar billionaire Conservative Appalachian rural southern man who losses fat stacks in Nascar who just wants a team to drive STOCK CARS in A REAL CUP.
People are really acting like Nascar doesn't have a history of high-test men fighting back against the France family, it's a sport started by bootleggers and war vets that got big by a fist fight involving wrenches and helmets after a literal car crash lol.
👍 It really bugs me when I see comments calling 23 Xi greedy! I heard Childress say he had no choice and I heard Jimmie Johnson intimate that they had no option either. I'd argue they'll be like MAJORITY of team owners. NASCAR demanding a signature like it did reeks of a bad deal for the teams. The merchandise is probably the worst (if you're MJ or Larson) but
I hate the parity obsession, shared data, monopoly on parts, the awful ground effect that ruins cars and prevents those classic 'beat it straight and get back out there' moments...plus the officiating and 'win and you're in' format is ridiculous.
Once a sport loses integrity, once it is seen as a lottery that's near impossible to fix. It shouldn't be like a 40 runner steeplechase with no form! However thats where its heading and a succession of champions who weren't the best car, team or driver just damages sport further....
The ghost of Curtis Turner still haunts Charlottesville motor speedway, whispering "unionize" the ears of participating racers. Good to see a new upload from ya, my friend. ;^)
@@BiodegradableYTP cringe
@@EdWinnota Not cringe.
NASCAR just needs to stop. They’re killing themselves with their control and will one day eliminate the sport because the teams will walk out on them. It’s not even a sport anymore with their stupid manipulative race styles and officiating. It’s a show. It IS the WWE of racing. It’s sad, but it’s true
The teams aren’t going anywhere, as proven by the fact that the majority of them have signed the agreement
There's just one major difference: the "competitors" and managers are in on what WWE plans to do. NASCAR doesn't let the teams or drivers in on what they plan on doing.
@@markcrandall2794 That doesn't mean they can't just leave.
@@nascarfanatic2425 NASCAR people at the top did have mutual mergers like with Menard's ARCA and Buying out of tracks, the poor part was leaving the drivers on some rules then all of the teams out of the loop.
@@caseysmith544 Well that's what I mean; the teams and drivers aren't let in on what they plan. They definitely didn't let Hendrick Motorsports in on DQ'ing Alex Bowman.
I used to be a huge fan but moved on to other types of racing. Was loving the rally and dirt oval content you were doing!
I'm looking to move on as well. What different racing series would you suggest? I'm thinking about getting invested into V8 supercars down in Australia.
@@DecentlyDefault BTCC and GT World Challenge is pretty good if you can find it.
@@DecentlyDefault If you despise the playoffs that NASCAR uses, don't even think about V8 Supercars, since they'll adopt that from next year onwards.
Same here. I’ve been to over 75 Cup races at 17 different tracks. But I’ve become a huge fan of 410 winged sprints. Have no desire to ever to go to a, as my friend would say, NAPCAR race again.
@@DecentlyDefaultnext season is the worst time to start watching Supercars since they implemented the kind of playoff system
I mean, given the sport's roots in criminal activity, its almost poetic seeing the organization graduate and scale up from rum running. Not great, but befitting
I'm not going pretend like i understand the intricacies of nascar's business model i just know the racing sucks on anything but some intermediates now.
After 20 years and 2 garbage managements (current and previous), it all comes down to this
Sell the sport.
The next video should be NASCAR's Officiating Crisis.
Nascar is often scritpted
@@GamecockenBradProfessional sports as a whole is, especially the NFL. Now with "sports betting" it will only get worse. Professional sports is now nothing but entertainment and a way to make money
@@GamecockenBrad indy was so obvious, busch clearly spun on purpose to bring about the last sequence
@@GamecockenBrad Rigged at times, but not scripted.
@nascarfanatic2425 nah pro sports is scripted it's bread and circuses for the masses
"[Nascar] always gets the last word." - Dave Rogers, 2010
When KFB got mad about a penalty at Texas right?
@CadenZoucha Yep lol, exactly that.
@@Buynot what was the penalty I forget? The only thing I remember from that race was the "fight" between Gordon and burton
@@CadenZoucha He got bopped for speeding during green flag pitstops, and then when he served his stop-and-go he flipped off the officials, so race control parked him for 2 laps. Kyle wasn't having it and complaining about freedom of speech on the radio, at which point Dave Rogers started yelling at him to just park it.
@@Buynot just watched that radioactive lol
The same family that created NASCAR is the same family that is destroying NASCAR. Such is a lot of things in life.
There’s an old saying in business
“From rags to riches to rags in three generations”
Here's a similar one:
"First generation builds it, second generation grows it, third generation destroys it"
@Max16032 It's incredible how NASCAR perfectly followed that cycle
might as well change the France surname to McMahon.......
THE MAN IS BACK.
But I really find it mind blowing how NASCAR itself has all these issues, but IMSA (NASCAR owned) is absolutely flourishing and thriving. John Doonan really is doing an amazing job
Great video. In no other sport would the “sanctioning body” be owning the stadiums, merchandise IP, team gear, rulebook, as well as be the game referees. It’s crazy.
Other sports are not privately owned. Also, nascar does not own every track that it races on
Completely insane. So many great short tracks in America they should be racing at. Events at places like eldora, oswego, hickory, five flags would bring tremendous hype
Actually this is standard for top level motorsports. Even if it's not an outright ownership there's going to be lots of 1ncestuous ties between the teams, tracks, sanctioning body, and media rights negotiators.
@@FallingPicturesProductions - Oh, for sure. Honestly, that’s sort of how most “business” works and why “networking” and connections are so often valued. But man - is it all so blatant in other Motorsports? Like, I get why a track owner, promoter, and certain teams might legally collude to maximize things for themselves, but at least that’s three different entities! As I understand it, the France family has even been angling to field their own race teams using the unissued charters reserved at the beginning for new teams. Like damn!
Edit - it’d be like the owner of the Yankees also being the commissioner of baseball in a lifetime, hereditary role with the finances of “baseball” itself tied to his own. More, that the commissioner also owns something like half the teams (not a perfect analogy, but using teams as analogues for tracks) and can also call “balls and strikes” from the owner’s box. It’s too much influence for one entity to have over a national sport, in my view, and the role of NASCAR commissioner should be like the MLB where the various stakeholders vote for that person.
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Knowing S1ap is back helps me cope with last night's New York Rangers game!...
Most of the guys I grew up with when I watched NASCAR. Are now retired and I have stopped watching it. I primarily watch Sprint Car racing now.
Knowing that Nascar gets a cut of every t shirt makes me NOT want to buy on.
rich guys beefing with other rich guys is my jam.
Once i discovered the national 410 sprint car scene i lost interest in nascar. Could be brought back if they started running more short tracks and built a way better car for it
BABE WAKE UP, SLAPHSOES JUST UPLOADED.
"This is cartoon villian type sh*t right here" 😂
Definition of a monopoly lol. And people like Kenny Wallace and Dave Moody are on NASCAR’s side!!
I mean Moody definitely gets checks from NASCAR so that doesn't shock me.
Kenny Wallace is like the stereotypical baby boomer. Loves the sound of his own voice
Kenny's posted a lot of stuff about, I don't know if he's all team NASCAR but he did say Parker got screwed over that's a sign he's not totally been bought and sold, he actually will call out drivers too.
S1ap coming back with another slapper of a video... and what perfect timing too
This is along the lines of College Football back in the day when the NCAA controlled both TV and merchandising, and yes that was taken down by a lawsuit.
Same lawyer that Michael Jordan and 23XI hired?
Only long time fans will remember when they had races on PPV channels. We had a cheater box when I was growing up, so we still watched the races for free.
I know this was briefly mentioned towards the end, but I just wanted to say this. This is why I've always been entirely against gambling being allowed in any sport or source of entertainment whatsoever. We have enough problems already with trying to hold people accountable for throwing money around like NASCAR in this case. It amazes me how many people don't realize how much WORSE gambling would make those same problems & if anything exasperate those issues even further
Your right but the fact is people have been gambling on sports almost as long as they exist....despite the fact it was largely was illegal. It was only a matter of time before the US govt took a big bribe and the easy gambling tax revenue after they saw what happened with marijuana and the billions they made off that. Gambling is only going to become more common in sports and daily life sadly.... not stopping it now. Certainly seen some VERY suspicious results in NFL games and UFC fights.....sometimes you cant help but wonder.
Roger Penske watching this: wait, I can just make a monopoly and force the teams to agree? Sign me up.
Always glad to see you upload S1ap. And nice collab with EllyProductions49.
The charters were the idea of Rob Kauffman & Race Team Alliance. Nascar never wanted them. The next Gen car was the idea of the teams. They wanted to save money on developing & producing all their own parts. Now they complain they can only buy from approved sources.
13:52 I'm honestly surprised NASCAR hasn't started shilling gambling the same way other sports have done. I expect to see a lot of it in the next couple of years.
Whatever happens, Nascar needs an ENTIRE overhaul in management
“The house always wins”
It’s different now. Many of us fans are standing with the teams and people who make NASCAR great, rather than NASCAR itself. We’ll happily move on to Indy, WOO, Rally or whatever else if NASCAR doesn’t do right by the teams and improve its product. I’m happy stepping away knowing I got to watch the best race car of all time hit the track (the Gen 4).
9:15 this sounds like a trust. This sounds like the sort of trust that Sherman passed a law against over 100 years ago. MJ has a point with his lawsuit.
"Racing has nothing to do with cars or drivers. All that matters is power, and the unassailable might of money!"
- Mr. France probably, idk
Nope. It was E.P. Arnold Royalton, Esq., founder and head of Royalton Industries who said that.
Nice Speed Racer reference. That film really have some interesting themes.
The Auto Club deal I think is worth mentioning too (an ISC track they owned). Go watch the videos of the "progress" of that and you'll see the track will be gone there will be no short track like they originally talked about. Rather than staying in the SoCal market and being loyal to those fans they took the real estate money (millions of it) and ran. Just another business move they made to keep revenue flowing.
20 years ago even non Nascar fans had a favorite driver. Including my wife.
I guarantee she couldn't name one current driver.
It still scares me what the France family can do to imsa, i hope to god they never truly fuck that up as much as nascar
IMSA's already fucked up if you look close enough, between the never-ending plague of late-race restarts and Dan Binks's offhand comments about not even being able to drill a hole in a C7.R unless it was on the FIA paperwork. The days of taking an old Firebird, throwing all the go-fast bits at it that the rules will let you get away with, buying a small stack of old racing tires and bringing a bunch of beer buddies to the Rolex 24 are gone too.
The one good thing about IMSA is that there's so much car variety that things can still look, for all the world, as though they're A-OK.
TOO LATE!!! THEY SCREWED THE FORD GT BY LEVELING EVERY DISADVANTAGE ON IT. AND IN '05 '06 FORD GT ALSO AS WELL AS SALEEN S7 !!!!! ULTIMATE TRUTH!!!!!
@@dougcarpenter7627no need to shout so loud
It's making it difficult to understand if you're passionately angry or badly trolling.
(Y'all gonna hate this) But I genuinely hope IMSA gets bought by Penske or Andretti in the future
@@Ohtechnik You're right. I do hate this, if only for the fact that it automatically assumes IndyCar execs are somehow less inept and corrupt than NASCAR's execs.
They're all the same, folks. That needs to be remembered.
Enjoy the video, a lot of great information.
One thing about the pre-2001 tv deal. Many people think it was difficult to keep up with races on different channels each weekend. It really wasn't. All the channels were on your cable or satellite provider. You had 40-50 channels tops and if you knew which of the six networks carried races that year, you had six channels to look for. Next year, you may need three or four different apps/subscriptions to catch all the racing, just more money in someone else's pockets.
At the end of the day as you stated, teams come and go, money changes hands and the cycle starts over.
Lastly, with fewer races on network tv in the past, fewer races got bumped off the air if an overrun happened. On the cable stations, an Andy Griffith rerun, a lot rolling tournament or some other odd show was preempted. Today, it gets bumped off the network to a secondary station that maybe not everyone has. The tv situation could be much better.
I agree especially look how poorly NBC treated IndyCar
NASCAR had over 45 teams going full-time in 2007
Yep so many full-time cars attempting every race they actually send several home who were attempting to race every race.
This video should be seen by EVERY NASCAR fan. It annoys me that there are fans who are saying “if you don’t like it then leave” clearly either ignoring or not knowing how in the wrong NASCAR is.
This paints a picture in a way everyone can easily understand why the teams were upset and why 23xi and Front Row are refusing to give up the fight.
As always, great video and very well researched
"If you don't like it then leave!" Is just dumb boomer oversimplification of every problem, in most cases it's never that simple, while it's simple in itself to stop watching NASCAR because it's no longer enjoyable, it's not that simple how it got so bad and to me it got really really bad really really fast, sure stages and playoffs were dumb but usually at least the racing was pretty good, now more often than not races are either really boring or devolve into a shit show or NASCAR makes terrible officiating calls in the name of entertainment.
NASCAr goes under within 5-10 years, calling it now
They will have to totally reevaluate their business model in around that time, for sure.
I could see the sport splintering into multiple organizations. Which wouldn't be horrible if they come together for a few big races like dirt oval
Disagree. Things have to change. NASCAR can do it. It doesn’t have to be like the NFL or the NBA. Sit down with Dirvers and Lawyers, Rebrand yourself as a SPORT, they’re just scared, I’m a diehard fan, I’ll continue to watch.
NASCAR ended in 2003.
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I’m just glad to have watched back when there were Buicks, Pontiacs, Chevys, Fords, Oldsmobiles, and Dodges racing. They didn’t have debris cautions back then. It’s totally different now. Oh well. I’ll watch and yell at the tv when nascar throws a caution right before the white flag, like yesterday at the Xfinity roval race. GWC, what bullshit. Playoffs more bullshit. Like someone said earlier, going to watch an old race on VHS…
They had debris caution back then how we have 2 stage brakes
NASCAR wants to do the same thing that Feld Entertainment did with Monster Jam. They want to own all the teams themselves and then pay the original owners a salary to run them, giving the appearance that they are independent.
Googled to see if the RTA is still in existence. Got me here. Incredibly informative. Answered so many more of my questions than anyplace else I've looked. Sounds like something like the RTA may still exist but that most have concluded that NASCAR holds all the cards and there's nothing that can be done about it. Guess it could come down to which judge ends up being in charge. The merch thing is incredible. The Penske boost button thing, too. Humans seem to be almost predictably weird. 🙂 Power does seem to abuse. . .
Regarding the bit at 12:55, Nascar also owns IMSA, and actually does field their own team there. You might know them as Action Express racing, who field the number 31 whelen car most notably with Pipo Derani. They've won 6 championships in their class, although as we've seen despite being ran by the same person, IMSA is ran much tighter compared to Nascar. Should Nascar revoke the 23XI and FRM charters we'll probably see an expansion of Action Express into Nascar, don't know who'd drive for them (Ben Kennedy returns?), but knowing how much nascar loves to manipulate races nowadays I can't imagine they'd do any worse than be borderline playoff contenders. Anything to push the agenda
I just visited your channel like 3 days ago and declared it dead, haha. so glad to see a new one from you slappy shoes!
I hate to be black pilled as the kids say, but I really think Nascar is gonna collapse if it keeps going as is. Nascar is just doing too many things to get in it's own way or try to "improve" the sport, only for it blow up in their face.
I just hope when all is said and done Nascar is back to the way it was before 2004, with the only change being more points between 1st place and below spots and at least 4-5 road courses on the schedule.
It's not gonna collapse, it'll just eventually turn into pro wrestling, which still seems to make big profits somehow.
@Statusinator Well, the thing is that it is scripted, and everybody knows it. This is not like that.
@@nicestoriesnottherealstori3006 What I'm saying is that soon NASCAR *will* be scripted, and just like wresting it'll take decades for the audience to figure that out.
@Statusinator it's scripted now, you see people spin all the time racing for nothing, they are told and probably paid to do that
Hopefully but not happening.
You done good S1ap!!!!! This video was worth the wait, but please don’t make us wait this long until the next one. And I have already watched the Elly vid. Kudos!
The world is all right again! SlapShoes is back and alive! He’s also posting nascar content
It’s really unfortunate, it’s not necessarily the money but the power NASCAR seams to have. It’s downright scary.
Some back marker teams really made out. BJ McCleod and the &78 40 mill. Holy sh^t. I know Derrike Cope and the 99 made a lot of money when they sold there Charter, ironically to 23X a few years ago.
They also own IMSA
So they control both the top stock car championship and the top sports cars championship
But in IMSA it's sort of inline with the ACO which controls a lot of prototype and endurance racing around the world
13:09 I thought the P2P scandal in Indycar was that 2 of the 3 Penske drivers used P2P on the first lap after a restart, which isn't allowed, and that the Penske team said it was a "glitch" that caused it.
Yeah pretty much, Newgarden used it pretty extensively on restarts while the other two really didn't. They did not however had unlimited P2P just on restarts.
Not sure what the team said about it, but I know Newgarden said it was a misunderstanding of the rules which seems odd given they are the team of the guy who writes the rules. Maclauglin used it a little on restart so also got DQ'd, but Power did not and only got a loss of points.
Cool to see some of my clips/uploads being used for this
Also consider the acquisitions of ARCA and IMSA, as well. I would not call it buying out the competition, exactly, but maybe...
They need to show this video in court.
Miss the Winston cup days! Gravitated towards IMSA, IndyCar & snd F1!
The France Family also own IMSA. They control the fuck out the US racing scene
Yep
"The house always wins."
"Suffah Denny!" - Jim France (probably)
Really great content again! Super informative about stuff that I had heard on the fringes but didn't know the specifics about. Thanks homeboy!
Benny: The game was rigged from the start…
It's time for the France family and the Nascartel to be held accountable for monopolizing. Keep the charters, but only 2 per team.
nobody will agree with me but i have a sort of business proposal.
-teams split from nascar
-they all come together and build a car that everybody likes
-the team owners come together and create a racing series
-they race at a mix of grassroots tracks (hickory, south boston, etc.), but also go back to tracks that nascar dosent own (SMI tracks)
-all team owners and high powered executives run it and officiate it so everybody agrees and if they don’t they can adjust whatever call on and off track
SMI is basically owned by NASCAR. The Smith family won't leave
So basically a CART/IRL split... That caused IndyCar to fall a lot in popularity by the time it was all said and done, but might be necessary...
@OccasionalNASCARRaces There are plenty of other options though. I will list some of them below.
Ovals above 1/2 mile:
Indianapolis Raceway Park (Short Track & Road Course)
Indianapolis Motor Speedway (especially if Penske is part of a theoretical Stock Car split)
Pocono Raceway
World Wide Technology Raceway (Gateway)
Homestead Miami Speedway
Milwaukee Mile
Pikes Peak International Raceway
Rockingham Speedway
Evergreen Speedway
Nashville Fairgrounds Speedway
Oswego Speedway
Road Courses:
Atlanta Motorsports Park
Barber Motorsports Park
Buttonwillow Raceway Park
Circuit of the Americas
Lime Rock Park
NCM Motorsports Park
Road America
Virginia International Raceway
Laguna Seca
Willow Springs
This list is not every track they could run on either, so there would be plenty of options.
Happened with Indycar back in the day they still never recovered in my opinion even though that was decades ago
@@harrisstutzman1850 Yes, over 25 years ago the split happened.
Nascar is like the Titantic and we are witnessing them hitting the iceberg.
In a perfect world, that lawsuit has grounds. This is a classic example of vertical integration. If the US stays on its current antitrust run, I could see nascar getting sanctions. That won’t happen if the FTC is gutted come January, though.
Thanks!
As an Indycar fan in addition to NASCAR, it is absolutely stupid & mind boggling that Indycar has followed NASCAR in adopting the charter system for 2025 onwards especially considering the fact Roger Penske has seen firsthand what the charter system has done in NASCAR. In my view a lot of the problems that are associated with the charter system in NASCAR will be 100 times worse in the Indycar charter system considering the fact that it is more expensive to operate an Indycar team than a NASCAR one. Indycar says that the charter system will grow /sustain the sport when I actually think it will have the opposite effect because teams like Prema (who are joining Indycar next year) are basically banned from the shared revenue that is split among the teams in Indycar for the first 3 years they are a team & they are not guaranteed a spot on the grid & have to qualify for each race. However Prema had to agree to these terms to even be allowed to enter Indycar for next season. The only good thing to come out of the charter system in Indycar is that the traditional qualifying format for the Indy 500 (aka Bump Day) will remain for now though I would expect the big teams like Ganassi, Penske & Andretti to push for all of their entries into that race (not just the chartered ones) to be guaranteed a spot, making it even harder for the smaller teams & the teams that only do the Indy 500 to get in.