Yes and no, a big problem was that it was still "normal" racing teams including a team running 2 or more nations. That's not how nation-based racing should work. The dudes running the Norwegian alpine skiing national team don't work with the Austrians... or the Swiss.. or just anyone that isn't Norwegian
A short-lived series that immediately comes to mind for me is the "V8 Stars" series from 2001 to 2003 in Germany. It featured silhouette race cars all powered by a 5.7L Ford V8. The only reason it sticks out to me is because one of the car bodies used was the Mk2 Lexus GS400 (albeit without any Lexus badging), making it pretty much the only time I know of when a Lexus GS (-ish) raced in a touring car series.
here in Italy they tried to copy the Supercar V8 with a championship called Superstars V8s in the late 2000s/early 2010s, they were like the V8 supercars but instead of Holden, Ford and the others it had Maserati with the Quattroporte, Chrysler with the 300, Audi with the RS4, Cadillac CTV, Merc c63 AMG and other unique cars. It expanded to the rest of Europe for a short time before it shut down
Ooh, I love that series. Somehow it got two official videogames made about it. It also had one of the craziest inter team battles I've ever seen at the 2014 Vallelunga race, where all 3 Audi RS5s from the works team fought each other like crazy during the final 2 laps, with door to door smashing, off track excursions and mad drifts all over the place. Worth looking up!
That series was awesome, even though in one of its last good seasons, Johan Kristofferson destroyed the entire field. This happened shortly after he got somewhat exiled from Sweden as a consequence of the STCC-TTA split. V8 Superstars was also the only series that saw Porsche Panamera touring car. A series that rose fast, but fell even quicker.
at 10:02 thats my grandad 154 Brian Powles, me and my family are currently building his 81 world final car. Brisca F1 stockcars is still popular in the UK today, the side we will be going into is the heritage side which will include a lot of the old school cars like in that photo.
Regarding Indonesia, A1GP was perhaps the closest thing we ever get to an F1 style racing. In fact, it was the last FIA sanctioned championship to raced here until Formula E came to Jakarta in 2022.
a1 gp sayang nya mobil nya itu gak mewakili pabrikan, gak ada merk nya!!! yg ada cuman bendera negara di mobilnya....lagi kecepatannya sama kaya f3 ,kurang kencang dibanding f2 larinya.
A1 GP's idea still has some relevance to this day. This "World cup of motorsport" is expanded to something like the olympics in the FIA Motorsport Games wich runs every 2 years. One of the disciplines featured is an open-wheel discipline with some kind of F4 car and was reserved for younger drivers. It also was arguably one of the more popular events of this year's running. Also, seeing that euro nascar bit brings back a fun reminder of my time at Zolder this year. A friend of mine really likes nascar and always wanted to someday see the real thing in America. When i told him they had a european division that visited Zolder, he was intregued so i invited him to tag along (this was also my first visit to this series). We had a really fun day and highly recommend going if you have one of their races near you! Cheap tickets, good accesibility (including an autograph session, grid walk and chance to run into one of the commentators André Wiegold), good racing and just a fun atmosphere! Now that DTM decided to geoblock the races where i live, a slot on my watchlist has opened up and Euro nascar might take that spot! My friend already is sure to watch the whole season next year!
As soon as it started getting into it and started watching all the events, it's shut down lol it was a really fun Rallycross series to watch. Always super entertaining
A1GP, I remember it rather fondly, some people kept calling it as an "F1 lite" as some sorts. Sentul was absolutely jam packed one time when they had a race here.
We'd even have Karawaci Street Circuit but it wasn't finished in time and never been used except for local touring car races. Now one part of the track became a drift track... Oh, what it could've been... 😢
Nothing to do with this video but JLOC won the SuperGT championship in the GT300 class! The crazy journey you discussed in your Diablo video has had a happy ending! Also 4 wins during the season, most of any GT300 team since the MR2 you also covered.
@@AdamTheMan1993 Their first season was in a goddamn Countach! Another interesting fact is before this season they had 4 wins to their name, and in a single year consisting of 8 races they've doubled that amount!
An extra honorable mention must go to the 1996 Formula Classic series, featuring a 1950s F1/Midget styled car, with Millington rally car running gear and a gear level that was positioned between your legs! The crazy story doesn't end there as the whole thing was the brainchild of Tom Wheatcroft, the man who owned Donington Park, and he had 26 of them made, to the tune of about £1.6 Million pounds! Only 15 entered the first race, which was won by the returning Martin Donnelly after his horrific F1 crash, but the racing wasn't deemed to be much fun, the cars were costly and cars design was baffling, so the series vanished. The cars were stored in the basement of the Donington F1 museum for years after that and gradually sold off, mostly being broken for parts. A sad end to an optimistic dream.
A1GP is possibly my favourite 'dead' series. And looking back at what drivers who competed in it went on to achieve or had achieved at the time, there are some seriously big names among the alumni. I guess the FIA Motorsport Games has kind of brought back the concept of a "World Cup of Motorsport", but I'd love A1GP to be revived. The Dodge Stratus actually looks pretty good! The Pontiac Sunfire though, I'm not so sure! I feel like one issue with why touring car racing isn't as big in the USA as it is in Europe or Australia is that the niche that it takes up, racing cars based on cars you can buy from a dealership, is basically already taken up by NASCAR. As for the NATCC, the only notable names I can think of who competed in the series are Dominic Dobson, Jeff Andretti, Desiré Wilson and Neil Crompton. I like the shape of the Solution F cars. Do any series other than the BTCC use NGTC regs or was the STCC the only one that tried?
There are an equally baffling number of championships that never happened that are also very interesting. For example, the UK very nearly had its own V8 Supercars championship in the early 2000's known as the 'SCV8 Supercar Championship', and even had Jaguar, Vauxhall, Peugeot and Honda all signed up for it! The jaguar prototype has recently been rebuilt and looks fantastic. The Caparo T1 (yeah THAT one!) nearly got its own one make series. A very bizarre recent one was the Wildcat Sprint Cars, a sprint car design, without the wing, powered by a 2.0 engine and for UK circuits! Naturally, about 2 were made.
If they're going to revive the A1GP, they should do it once every 2 or 4 years, like the Olympics, and the drivers who can only participate are bronze-rated emerging stars.
I love the Solution F STCC era - Scott McLaughlin made a cameo when he was a Volvo V8SC driver, and W Series driver Emma Kimilainen was a series regular! If there's a part 2, I'd love to see the Chevrolet Middle East Supercars series mentioned; it was essentially a V8SC spin-off with production-based Holden Commodores. I'll share an NATCC story that Neil Crompton (the V8SC commentator) told in his book some years ago. He said that "the fields for the 1997 season were small, but the quality at the front end was strong." He'd won both races at the first round at Long Beach despite the car being "borderline undriveable" in pre-season testing at IRP. Pobst said afterwards that "Neil was an unknown quantity [...] I was hoping he'd be a rich-guy Aussie w**ker, but he's not - he's quite a driver." At the third round in Detroit, Crompton had made two controversial passes on Cunningham and Donohue and was ultimately disqualified from the race - both he and Steve Horne were furious, leading them to withdraw from the following round at Portland in protest. Ironically, then-series organiser Roger Elliot now does a lot of the TV distribution for Australian motorsport series and is in regular contact with Crompton! Despite winning 7 races that season, Crompton finished third in the standings - their withdrawal from Portland cost them the title, something Crompton claims that Horne still regrets. Crompton also doesn't have any of his trophies from that season; when Horne sold his share in Tasman to Gerry Forsythe, that included all of the teams' trophies (including NATCC ones), and Crompton's requests to get them back have been ignored.
If you do another one of these, you could do the Australian S5000 series, which had planned to debut in 2020 (but didn't for obvious reasons, so 2021 was the official debut) and died at the end of 2023
Another nascar partner was AUSCAR which ran at my home circuit Calder Park and the cuircut is being restored by the owner rodney Jane who races in the porsche cup series and ownes the naming rights of the track Bob Jane Tmart and is so cool and might be restored to allow nascar style racing again
I find the story of the German Ford Fiesta Ladies Cup rather fascinating. It lead to a surprising number of female drivers in German racing, and managed to last a decent length. But it being a Ford marketing gimmick it was always going to run out of time at some point ...
18:24 IMSA's Michelin Pilot Challenge is quite good if your into multi-class racing. Larger Grand Sport cars share the track with the smaller TCR class. Some great stories told throughout the years in in TCR. Robert Wickens paralyzed from the waste down winning the TCR class Championship. Taylor Hagler the only women to win not 1 but back to back Championships.
Great stuff as always! Here are some suggestions for other short-lived racing series if you decide to do a Part 2: -Fast Masters -Grand Prix Masters -SCCA RaceTruck Challenge -SRX -NASCAR Speedway Division
This is a good video because of your interesting subject matter, scripting, narration, etcetera! It's interesting even though this is a subject that I have only once in a while wondered about but never cared enough about to take the time to even search it out. Thank you for taking the time, effort, interest, etcetera to research, waffle and post about a subject that you find interesting.
I still remember how big A1GP was to Indonesia. It got front page cover and when it was announced it would be held in Indonesia. It was a big news and the tickets quickly sold out. There are a lot of drama back then, from postponement due to A1GP founder family death and last minute refurbishment that is still problematic (I remember the tribune leaked and there was a flooding). For me that proved the concept works, it's just that the original founder Sheikh Maktoum left and so does the financial backing. Coupled with bad management, introduction of Ferrari cars that add more bills and financial crisis, the nail is in the coffin. That said, now that FIA has Motorsport Games, shouldn't they promote it more? Since the basic idea is like A1GP. I feel it lacks promotions while it has a potential. The Ferrari A1GP cars had a footnotes too. In mid 2010s they were bought by African based series called AFRIX that plans to run them in 2015/2016. It seems the cars carried curse since the series failed materialized and last time I heard of it is around 2019.
a1 gp mati karena "kurang dana" gak ada support pabrikan, lha wong mobilnya sama semua gak ada brand nya.......f1 mobilnya bikinan pabrikan, akan ada terus selama mercy,honda,ferrari,aston martin masih jualan di muka bumi.
really miss the FIA GT1 and GT3 championships that led to the GT and endurance racing we have today. shoutout to Need For Speed Shift series for introducing me to that very interesting but niche series
A1 has some interesting Australian links, up until recently Nico Hulkenberg had the lap record at Sydney Motorsport Park in i assume the Lola based A1GP cars. It took a mad 2000 hp time attack weapon to knock the A1GP off the top (and yes i know SMP is slightly shorter now but still). The series' canclation also lead to the creation of the Gold Coast 600 when the A1GP race didn't materalise with supercars filling it with a pair of 300 km 2 driver races. For the next few years this event then had a standard who's who of international drivers to keep the international feel going. The 2012 start line crash is insane both for the crash itself and the names involved (James Hinchcliff, Ricky Taylor, Vittoni Liuzzi, Simon Pagenaut, Lucas Di Grassi) and had a front row comprised of Seb Bordaix and Mika Salo
I miss A1GP. The very first race was broadcast live on FTA tv in Australia and the qualifying results made the network news. Probably because that was the host channel. The cancelled season actually got as far as having a pre season test session at Silverstone. And Round 1 was meant to be held at Surfers Paradise on the street course after the location had been abandoned by IndyCar.
as a race car lover, i adore these videos, i barely heard about most of these series i'm sure you can find other racing series in the same vein, pls keep it on
Finally the Dodge Stratus Touring car is getting attention!!! I'm still waiting for anyone talking in depth about SCCA racing during the 90s, and more specifically, the Dodge neon ACR, a dominant car!
That was the first game my brother and I got when we got our first console for Christmas, good old ps2. That game's the reason why I got interested in racing games. Still got both the ps2 and the game
I think some notable series are the V8 Stars series from the early 2000s, V8 Superstars from the mid-00s to early 2010s, NATCC (as covered in the video), SpeedWorld Challenge (later turned into Pirelli World Challenge and now Blancpain GT, and was mentioned in the video briefly), SCCA RaceTruck Challenge where manufacturers would prep trucks like the Chevy S10, Ford Ranger, and Jeep Comanche, the US based IROC series, and hell, maybe even Grand Am prior to the merger with ALMS cause that series had some very interesting cars that competed in it.
Funny thing is A1GP was basically going back to how motor racing started with teams needing to wear their national colours. Who can forget America with it's Bright red for their racing cars, White for Germany (no jokes here)
I really miss A1GP, was the first motorsport event I went to. The 2007 round at Eastern Creek, remember pretty much every round was between Nico Hulkenberg, Jonny Reid and Robbie Kerr
I've been watching your videos for a while now, ever since one of them was recommended to me some months ago when I decided to revisit GT4, using PCSX2. I'm so blessed to have stumbled upon your work. Keep these coming
Another great example of racing championship series that was short-lived is called Jaguar I-Pace eTrophy racing series, a Formula E-supported one-make Electric touring car racing championship where drivers can only drives the Jaguar I-Pace as the official one-make electric race car at the time but it was only lasted from 2018 2020.
As an American I was a fan of the American Speed Association (ASA) racing series we had which was a stock car series that raced exclusively on short ovals. The cars were cool and some NASCAR legends would graduate from this series (Mark Martin comes to mind first along with Dick Trickle). I think it's still technically around despite going out of business like three times but it's just not what it was in the 90's.
You forgot World Sportscar Championship (1953-1992), which later reincarnated into FIA WEC in 2012 as the premier FIA Sportscar endurance racing series. It was one of the longest running FIA series to have folded after nearly four decades. A1GP, I remember fondly. Was surprised when I saw drivers from Pakistan and Indonesia of all countries participating. Countries which never had motorsport representation. Make a video on the FIA Motorsport Games; the third edition ended in Spain this 2024. I think it's an inspired remake of the A1GP, but it's basically the Olympic version of Motorsport. My country, Bangladesh 🇧🇩, participated in five disciplines of it.
You know what would be interesting? A GT series in which each champion/top 5 points finishers of their respective disciplines were to compete. I.e. 5 WEC cars, 5 IMSA cars, 5 GTWC cars, 5 Asian Le Mans cars, 5 ELMS cars... etc.
regarding ASCAR, the cars were derived from the ASA here in the USA. At that time, ASA had it's own car/ruleset which started in the early 90s after switching away from the late models it ran previously.
When you mentioned ASCAR, I was hoping you'd then talk about AUSCAR, using Australian cars going around ovals clockwise. This could in fact become a series if you so wished
Brilliant video really enjoyed watching it ! Funnily enough when I was at Brands Hatch this year for super touring power 2 one of the Dodge Stratus NATCC cars was on display
Been a subscriber for a fairly long time, enjoyed every new upload but since the last upload, I randomly started binging your content, even if I'd seen it before, and so this new upload was very welcome to my home page. Thanks for the upload.
This reminds me of a short lived class of domestic motorcycle racing class in Indonesia back in the early to mid 90's. If I remember correctly, it's the 250cc open class. Where bikes like CBR250RR, The brokenly OP NSR250 and others races each other. The class would last around 3 seasons, with all races won by the NSR250. 60hp with shitty tune on a bike weighing less than 140 kilo (wet) is something else. Especially when you can get through a hairpin without coming out of third gear
There was a " Speedcar series" which was an Asian version of Nascar held at a few circuits around middle east. It was basically like a spec- Nascar where every driver raced the identical cars with same power output. There was also the Intercontinental Rally Challenge or IRC which was a great rally championship with manufacturers teams and it came close to threaten the WRC but it too vanished eventually.
@@tnarg27 TCR is more of a ruleset than a specific series, kind of GTE, which folded recently. Personally I'm all for NGTC becoming more popular as a touring car formula. It's cheaper and doesn't depend on manufacturers as much.
Fun fact: ITCC was DTM because they change the name series because they race on international level until 1996 and 2000s DTM return unit they died again in 2020 but as the class 1 touring car regulations in 2021-Now they are just other gt3 sport car racing series now and is no longer touring car racing anymore. I love you DTM you are my favourite Motorsports series ever and you change my life forever.
I loved A1GP!!!! Those Lola's were so good, as was the racing, i went to the 2006 Zandvoort weekend wich was an awesome event, i remember those Zytek engines roaring through the dunes, wonderful stuff!!!
You could have mentioned the Japanese Touring Car Championship which lasted from 1994 to 1998. Originally, its supposed successor would be the SSCC (All-Japan Super Silhouette Car Championship) with the SSCC Chaser as shown, to replace the JTCC after 1998, but that never happened. The Japanese Touring Car Championship even had a cancelled PS1 game based on the 1995, from Bulletproof Software who were the sponsors of the real life 1995 season and also the publishers of not only the game, but also the publishers of Genki's very first Shutokou Battle games and Michael Andretti's Indy Car Challenge. The cancelled PS1 game recycles the engine from Shutokou Battle: Drift King for the PS1, and it's unknown whenever Genki developed the cancelled JTCC game.
Thanks! I'd add Extreme E, Jaguar I-Pace trophy and Formula S5000. Also, those Lamborghini Urus and 1,5 ton truck racing series that never started sounded lunatic enough to be interesting.
I think the problem that ASCAR had was similar to what the North American Touring Car Championship had, as ASCAR was trying to bring American-Style Stock Cars to Europe and NATCC tried bringing European-Style Touring Cars to America, and the Europeans just said "why would I watch that when I can watch BTCC or DTM" and the Americans said "why would I watch that when I could just watch NASCAR"
Never forget evolution gt for the ps2 used stcc footage in the tutorial videos with Gabrielle Tarquini Make sure to change language for Tarquini's real voice
Very cool stuff! I've seen that Dodge touring car before but wasn't sure what it was from. I guess I just assumed it was a one-off promotional vehicle for some reason.
2nd Coming of Class 1 and Mercedes' DTM exit will always remind me of a very expletive heavy Timo Glock team radio rant from 2018 (pre ADAC takeover DTM (even into GT3 era) had live radio which was pretty neat and had its fair share of memorable moments, most infamous probably being a certain 2015 Audi incident)
I was at the A1GP first ever round at brands hatch. Then went again the year after for the start of the second season. Nice to see it mentioned here :D
@@smudger4274 majority of the old brisca F1 Stockcars are still around now, a few of my grandad Brian’s aren’t, one of his cars and bus was sold to Brent Savage. Another one he disliked it so he cut it up and built his house on it, so who ever lives in his old house there’s a Chopped up f1 Stockcar under the kitchen, the rest were sold on I think, half of them even I don’t know where they are. For the other cars a fair few In the heritage series are the original F1 Stockcars a few were re-Builds but a fair few are original
@@smudger4274 majority of them would have been scrapped most likely mate, my current boss has just quit another series like ascar, it was called the American cup car series or MASSCAR (mini nasscar) and they ran on motorbike engines. So if you like Nass car you might wanna check that out aswell But yea most likely the majority of the Ascars would be either, Abandoned, in garage or scrapped
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A1gp could have huge appeal again if they did it correctly. My ideas: Itd have to be less than or equal to f3. Like f3 but more equal and spec. Limited to drivers that have not progressed to f3 or higher. If a team wants to run a 2nd car, it needs to be for a woman. Teams can use the same driver for 2/3 to 3/4 of the year but must run no less than 3 drivers per car over the season. Id like to see like f3 scholarships for the "winners" but i havent thought that thru or how itd work lol. Maybe have a drivers championship on the side, itd be fine as long as everyone is limited to the same amount of races right? If theres 16 races but noone can race more than 12 something like that
I believe that the WTCC is to begin visiting national touring car races within their season from 2025. In what seems to be the ITCC, but a reverse of that format. WTCC is where you will find the Polestars these days. Same colour, almost as much success. Though they are very Chinese these days. For me, nothing beats the weird and wacky world of the Aussie Racing Car series. Here's a link to a race th-cam.com/video/eK9Yw2dzWJ4/w-d-xo.html Yamaha motorbike engines, with a centrally mounted single seat, and a body dropped on to the identical engine /chassis combo, to make them look like mini Nascars. The format is much cheaper at the entry level, but shamefully, no other county seems to have picked up on the series. The UK has had a Mini Miglia series since 1966, which I suppose mirrors that entry level, but is actually expensive.
I found out that the Aussie Racing Cars are actually based on the Legends Cars raced in the US. I watch all of the support races for the Australian SuperCar Championship, and I think it was last season that someone said what they are based on. Those little cars can put on a blinder of a race.
I hated the fact I missed so many interesting things around the 2000's, like me never watching or hearing a Lister Storm in real life, and A1GP is definitely one thing I truly missed, because I had nowhere to watch it properly. I was truly invested though, even when Belgium wasn't driving in it. But I do remember the two times they tried to revive it. One as an African championship with the second cars, and same as you mentioned in the video. Even though I'm a bit disagreeing with most people here about the comparison with the FIA Motorsport Games, which I feel is more like the Olympic Games then what A1GP stood for, we might see something popping up in the future on Asian side. Not with single seaters but Norma prototypes, and from what I read and wrote myself, that has more the feeling of what A1GP was in the past. But should they revive A1GP and it becomes a championship again, I would try anything to get accredited as a journalist/photographer.
It would've been a nice touch if you put in conclusion that abu Dhabi desert challenge, Morocco rally challenge, and basically any rally raid challenge and Event got folded in 2021 and the year after the world rally raid championship born including all of them into one major long tournament. They even made the first officially licensed game for that in 2022 that a year after it went fro free on steam or epic or PS store i don't remember
@dchil15 Ik that, I was just pointing out that the S60 was used over here cause he said that it was one of the most popular race cars Volvo had used Also V8 Supercars were pretty much doing the same thing be then. All cars had a chassis with an engine underneath, then they just chucked the bodywork on top
I feel like if touring cars in NA followed more of the V8 Supercars/DTM-pre-Class 1 model with bigger and faster cars (as well as using the V8 Supercar/BTCC model of putting those big and fast cars onto smaller national level circuits) they could find a really good untapped market. Hell, V8 Supercars actually has been the favorite series in the state of Utah for a good few years now. (also just to make people sad we were this close to having a DTM America series under Grand-Am before the merger happened)
@@DiegoRuiz1991 Honestly I'd classify Trans Am in a different category entirely, kind of a holy combination of a GT car and a DTM-style touring car (yes I know it sounds kind of semantics-y but it's what I genuinely think about it)
Great video. If your doing another video on defunct racing series my i suggest iroc that lasted from 73 to 06 . Or it spiritual sucessor superstar racing experience which had 3 seasons from 2021 to 2023.
Thanks for not mentioning Bernie Ecclestone during the ITC part. It annoys me everytime when I see people trying to only blame Bernie for the death of the series everytime discussions about this series start. You could have mentioned the insane tech these cars had which led to escalating costs, which meant that the ITC was basically dying before it even started.
2:00 another example is colapinto. im from argentina and i swear to god everyone is talking about him, my family, my friendos who know nothing about f1, people at the street and its just crazy
A1GP is basically the closest thing to trackmania nations forever/trackmania esports world cup in real life
Yes and no, a big problem was that it was still "normal" racing teams including a team running 2 or more nations. That's not how nation-based racing should work.
The dudes running the Norwegian alpine skiing national team don't work with the Austrians... or the Swiss.. or just anyone that isn't Norwegian
Nathan please add my wife to A-Spec I miss her
Wirtual should have been the announcer
@@dopey473 she better be from before 2000
THEY HAD CRAZY SPEEDRUN SKIPS IN A1GP???
A short-lived series that immediately comes to mind for me is the "V8 Stars" series from 2001 to 2003 in Germany. It featured silhouette race cars all powered by a 5.7L Ford V8. The only reason it sticks out to me is because one of the car bodies used was the Mk2 Lexus GS400 (albeit without any Lexus badging), making it pretty much the only time I know of when a Lexus GS (-ish) raced in a touring car series.
I vaugely remember this, didnt they use a whole roster or repmobiles from that era like omegas, mondeos, passats and 406?
2012 Petronas GS350 in stai 👌👌
@@acheekymeesh Jaguar was also among them.
and the game series makes me think of the series
They also raced in Motorola Cup in North America around 1999 or so.
here in Italy they tried to copy the Supercar V8 with a championship called Superstars V8s in the late 2000s/early 2010s, they were like the V8 supercars but instead of Holden, Ford and the others it had Maserati with the Quattroporte, Chrysler with the 300, Audi with the RS4, Cadillac CTV, Merc c63 AMG and other unique cars. It expanded to the rest of Europe for a short time before it shut down
It even had its own video game if I recall correctly
Ooh, I love that series. Somehow it got two official videogames made about it. It also had one of the craziest inter team battles I've ever seen at the 2014 Vallelunga race, where all 3 Audi RS5s from the works team fought each other like crazy during the final 2 laps, with door to door smashing, off track excursions and mad drifts all over the place. Worth looking up!
Yes and there were 2 games before the series was named euro v8 and then folded @ajokay
That series was awesome, even though in one of its last good seasons, Johan Kristofferson destroyed the entire field. This happened shortly after he got somewhat exiled from Sweden as a consequence of the STCC-TTA split.
V8 Superstars was also the only series that saw Porsche Panamera touring car. A series that rose fast, but fell even quicker.
@@FerraristDX There was also a Maserati Quattroporte. Gotta love limousine racecars!
at 10:02 thats my grandad 154 Brian Powles, me and my family are currently building his 81 world final car.
Brisca F1 stockcars is still popular in the UK today, the side we will be going into is the heritage side which will include a lot of the old school cars like in that photo.
Regarding Indonesia, A1GP was perhaps the closest thing we ever get to an F1 style racing. In fact, it was the last FIA sanctioned championship to raced here until Formula E came to Jakarta in 2022.
a1 gp sayang nya mobil nya itu gak mewakili pabrikan, gak ada merk nya!!! yg ada cuman bendera negara di mobilnya....lagi kecepatannya sama kaya f3 ,kurang kencang dibanding f2 larinya.
A1 GP's idea still has some relevance to this day. This "World cup of motorsport" is expanded to something like the olympics in the FIA Motorsport Games wich runs every 2 years. One of the disciplines featured is an open-wheel discipline with some kind of F4 car and was reserved for younger drivers. It also was arguably one of the more popular events of this year's running.
Also, seeing that euro nascar bit brings back a fun reminder of my time at Zolder this year. A friend of mine really likes nascar and always wanted to someday see the real thing in America. When i told him they had a european division that visited Zolder, he was intregued so i invited him to tag along (this was also my first visit to this series). We had a really fun day and highly recommend going if you have one of their races near you! Cheap tickets, good accesibility (including an autograph session, grid walk and chance to run into one of the commentators André Wiegold), good racing and just a fun atmosphere! Now that DTM decided to geoblock the races where i live, a slot on my watchlist has opened up and Euro nascar might take that spot! My friend already is sure to watch the whole season next year!
On the topic of dead racing series RIP Global Rallycross. Was the first racing series I got into
And Nitrocross
Massive Sadg.
As soon as it started getting into it and started watching all the events, it's shut down lol it was a really fun Rallycross series to watch. Always super entertaining
Its kind of funny just how many times it died RA, ARA, GRX, NRX, and is World RX still going on ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
A1GP, I remember it rather fondly, some people kept calling it as an "F1 lite" as some sorts. Sentul was absolutely jam packed one time when they had a race here.
Same at zandvoort
We'd even have Karawaci Street Circuit but it wasn't finished in time and never been used except for local touring car races. Now one part of the track became a drift track...
Oh, what it could've been... 😢
The Solution F silhouettes are honestly so underrated :)
Nothing to do with this video but JLOC won the SuperGT championship in the GT300 class! The crazy journey you discussed in your Diablo video has had a happy ending! Also 4 wins during the season, most of any GT300 team since the MR2 you also covered.
Crazy to think that JLOC has been competing in Super GT since the series first started in 1994 and the 2024 GT300 was the first title they've won
@@AdamTheMan1993 Their first season was in a goddamn Countach! Another interesting fact is before this season they had 4 wins to their name, and in a single year consisting of 8 races they've doubled that amount!
An extra honorable mention must go to the 1996 Formula Classic series, featuring a 1950s F1/Midget styled car, with Millington rally car running gear and a gear level that was positioned between your legs! The crazy story doesn't end there as the whole thing was the brainchild of Tom Wheatcroft, the man who owned Donington Park, and he had 26 of them made, to the tune of about £1.6 Million pounds! Only 15 entered the first race, which was won by the returning Martin Donnelly after his horrific F1 crash, but the racing wasn't deemed to be much fun, the cars were costly and cars design was baffling, so the series vanished. The cars were stored in the basement of the Donington F1 museum for years after that and gradually sold off, mostly being broken for parts. A sad end to an optimistic dream.
A1GP is possibly my favourite 'dead' series. And looking back at what drivers who competed in it went on to achieve or had achieved at the time, there are some seriously big names among the alumni. I guess the FIA Motorsport Games has kind of brought back the concept of a "World Cup of Motorsport", but I'd love A1GP to be revived.
The Dodge Stratus actually looks pretty good! The Pontiac Sunfire though, I'm not so sure! I feel like one issue with why touring car racing isn't as big in the USA as it is in Europe or Australia is that the niche that it takes up, racing cars based on cars you can buy from a dealership, is basically already taken up by NASCAR. As for the NATCC, the only notable names I can think of who competed in the series are Dominic Dobson, Jeff Andretti, Desiré Wilson and Neil Crompton.
I like the shape of the Solution F cars. Do any series other than the BTCC use NGTC regs or was the STCC the only one that tried?
I think NGTC is only used by BTCC, which is a shame because I feel like they provide better racing than TCR and have more car variety
DODGE STRATUS STW MENTIONED
Saab road cars were built in my hometown of Trollhättan, Sweden
did you see many saabs in your hometown?
You need to make a part 2
Grand Prix Masters :P
There are an equally baffling number of championships that never happened that are also very interesting. For example, the UK very nearly had its own V8 Supercars championship in the early 2000's known as the 'SCV8 Supercar Championship', and even had Jaguar, Vauxhall, Peugeot and Honda all signed up for it! The jaguar prototype has recently been rebuilt and looks fantastic. The Caparo T1 (yeah THAT one!) nearly got its own one make series. A very bizarre recent one was the Wildcat Sprint Cars, a sprint car design, without the wing, powered by a 2.0 engine and for UK circuits! Naturally, about 2 were made.
Watching A1GP on Speed Channel back in the days... man, those were the times 🥲
If they're going to revive the A1GP, they should do it once every 2 or 4 years, like the Olympics, and the drivers who can only participate are bronze-rated emerging stars.
I love the Solution F STCC era - Scott McLaughlin made a cameo when he was a Volvo V8SC driver, and W Series driver Emma Kimilainen was a series regular! If there's a part 2, I'd love to see the Chevrolet Middle East Supercars series mentioned; it was essentially a V8SC spin-off with production-based Holden Commodores.
I'll share an NATCC story that Neil Crompton (the V8SC commentator) told in his book some years ago. He said that "the fields for the 1997 season were small, but the quality at the front end was strong." He'd won both races at the first round at Long Beach despite the car being "borderline undriveable" in pre-season testing at IRP. Pobst said afterwards that "Neil was an unknown quantity [...] I was hoping he'd be a rich-guy Aussie w**ker, but he's not - he's quite a driver."
At the third round in Detroit, Crompton had made two controversial passes on Cunningham and Donohue and was ultimately disqualified from the race - both he and Steve Horne were furious, leading them to withdraw from the following round at Portland in protest. Ironically, then-series organiser Roger Elliot now does a lot of the TV distribution for Australian motorsport series and is in regular contact with Crompton!
Despite winning 7 races that season, Crompton finished third in the standings - their withdrawal from Portland cost them the title, something Crompton claims that Horne still regrets. Crompton also doesn't have any of his trophies from that season; when Horne sold his share in Tasman to Gerry Forsythe, that included all of the teams' trophies (including NATCC ones), and Crompton's requests to get them back have been ignored.
Didnt even know about this series! Will have to have a look as I'm a big meals on wheels fan
Will also have to find a copy of his book
If you do another one of these, you could do the Australian S5000 series, which had planned to debut in 2020 (but didn't for obvious reasons, so 2021 was the official debut) and died at the end of 2023
Fun fact about A1GP: they planned to have a complete ladder aswell, with A2GP and A3GP. At one of the Durban rounds, A3GP even became reality!
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Another nascar partner was AUSCAR which ran at my home circuit Calder Park and the cuircut is being restored by the owner rodney Jane who races in the porsche cup series and ownes the naming rights of the track Bob Jane Tmart and is so cool and might be restored to allow nascar style racing again
I recently went a lemons event at Calder. The track is ok but the grandstands are F---Ed.
@bourbonslurpee yeah it is but yhe road course part has been resued for racing events atleast
I find the story of the German Ford Fiesta Ladies Cup rather fascinating. It lead to a surprising number of female drivers in German racing, and managed to last a decent length. But it being a Ford marketing gimmick it was always going to run out of time at some point ...
18:24 IMSA's Michelin Pilot Challenge is quite good if your into multi-class racing. Larger Grand Sport cars share the track with the smaller TCR class. Some great stories told throughout the years in in TCR. Robert Wickens paralyzed from the waste down winning the TCR class Championship. Taylor Hagler the only women to win not 1 but back to back Championships.
Great stuff as always!
Here are some suggestions for other short-lived racing series if you decide to do a Part 2:
-Fast Masters
-Grand Prix Masters
-SCCA RaceTruck Challenge
-SRX
-NASCAR Speedway Division
YES, SCCA RaceTruck Challenge mentioned!
Grand Prix Masters, a series for retired F1 drivers, fitted well in this video. But still a nice list with some I didn't know about.
This is a good video because of your interesting subject matter, scripting, narration, etcetera! It's interesting even though this is a subject that I have only once in a while wondered about but never cared enough about to take the time to even search it out. Thank you for taking the time, effort, interest, etcetera to research, waffle and post about a subject that you find interesting.
Man i was not expecting to hear F1 Championship menu music today, thanks for that trip down memory lane. And thanks for these wonderful videos.
I still remember how big A1GP was to Indonesia. It got front page cover and when it was announced it would be held in Indonesia. It was a big news and the tickets quickly sold out.
There are a lot of drama back then, from postponement due to A1GP founder family death and last minute refurbishment that is still problematic (I remember the tribune leaked and there was a flooding).
For me that proved the concept works, it's just that the original founder Sheikh Maktoum left and so does the financial backing. Coupled with bad management, introduction of Ferrari cars that add more bills and financial crisis, the nail is in the coffin.
That said, now that FIA has Motorsport Games, shouldn't they promote it more? Since the basic idea is like A1GP. I feel it lacks promotions while it has a potential.
The Ferrari A1GP cars had a footnotes too. In mid 2010s they were bought by African based series called AFRIX that plans to run them in 2015/2016. It seems the cars carried curse since the series failed materialized and last time I heard of it is around 2019.
a1 gp mati karena "kurang dana" gak ada support pabrikan, lha wong mobilnya sama semua gak ada brand nya.......f1 mobilnya bikinan pabrikan, akan ada terus selama mercy,honda,ferrari,aston martin masih jualan di muka bumi.
really miss the FIA GT1 and GT3 championships that led to the GT and endurance racing we have today. shoutout to Need For Speed Shift series for introducing me to that very interesting but niche series
V8 STAR from Germany was also a siloutte TC series that lasted only a few seasons
A1 has some interesting Australian links, up until recently Nico Hulkenberg had the lap record at Sydney Motorsport Park in i assume the Lola based A1GP cars. It took a mad 2000 hp time attack weapon to knock the A1GP off the top (and yes i know SMP is slightly shorter now but still).
The series' canclation also lead to the creation of the Gold Coast 600 when the A1GP race didn't materalise with supercars filling it with a pair of 300 km 2 driver races. For the next few years this event then had a standard who's who of international drivers to keep the international feel going. The 2012 start line crash is insane both for the crash itself and the names involved (James Hinchcliff, Ricky Taylor, Vittoni Liuzzi, Simon Pagenaut, Lucas Di Grassi) and had a front row comprised of Seb Bordaix and Mika Salo
I miss A1GP. The very first race was broadcast live on FTA tv in Australia and the qualifying results made the network news. Probably because that was the host channel.
The cancelled season actually got as far as having a pre season test session at Silverstone. And Round 1 was meant to be held at Surfers Paradise on the street course after the location had been abandoned by IndyCar.
as a race car lover, i adore these videos, i barely heard about most of these series
i'm sure you can find other racing series in the same vein, pls keep it on
Finally the Dodge Stratus Touring car is getting attention!!!
I'm still waiting for anyone talking in depth about SCCA racing during the 90s, and more specifically, the Dodge neon ACR, a dominant car!
i can hear f1 06 music. really love that game :)
That was the first game my brother and I got when we got our first console for Christmas, good old ps2. That game's the reason why I got interested in racing games. Still got both the ps2 and the game
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I haven't heard dr perception in this video
@oli_gordon it starts at 6:25.
@@andrewpillinger3 doesn't sound like dr perception
@oli_gordon it's definitely the piece from F1 Championship Edition 2006. It starts out slow and then builds up to it around 7 mins in.
the sega GT soundtrack usage is class. great video
I think some notable series are the V8 Stars series from the early 2000s, V8 Superstars from the mid-00s to early 2010s, NATCC (as covered in the video), SpeedWorld Challenge (later turned into Pirelli World Challenge and now Blancpain GT, and was mentioned in the video briefly), SCCA RaceTruck Challenge where manufacturers would prep trucks like the Chevy S10, Ford Ranger, and Jeep Comanche, the US based IROC series, and hell, maybe even Grand Am prior to the merger with ALMS cause that series had some very interesting cars that competed in it.
Funny thing is A1GP was basically going back to how motor racing started with teams needing to wear their national colours. Who can forget America with it's Bright red for their racing cars, White for Germany (no jokes here)
I really miss A1GP, was the first motorsport event I went to. The 2007 round at Eastern Creek, remember pretty much every round was between Nico Hulkenberg, Jonny Reid and Robbie Kerr
I've been watching your videos for a while now, ever since one of them was recommended to me some months ago when I decided to revisit GT4, using PCSX2. I'm so blessed to have stumbled upon your work. Keep these coming
A1GP is actually what introduced me to motorsports as a whole
Another great example of racing championship series that was short-lived is called Jaguar I-Pace eTrophy racing series, a Formula E-supported one-make Electric touring car racing championship where drivers can only drives the Jaguar I-Pace as the official one-make electric race car at the time but it was only lasted from 2018 2020.
As an American I was a fan of the American Speed Association (ASA) racing series we had which was a stock car series that raced exclusively on short ovals. The cars were cool and some NASCAR legends would graduate from this series (Mark Martin comes to mind first along with Dick Trickle). I think it's still technically around despite going out of business like three times but it's just not what it was in the 90's.
I do remember hearing plans to bring it back but those talks have quited doen after a while
You forgot World Sportscar Championship (1953-1992), which later reincarnated into FIA WEC in 2012 as the premier FIA Sportscar endurance racing series.
It was one of the longest running FIA series to have folded after nearly four decades.
A1GP, I remember fondly. Was surprised when I saw drivers from Pakistan and Indonesia of all countries participating. Countries which never had motorsport representation.
Make a video on the FIA Motorsport Games; the third edition ended in Spain this 2024. I think it's an inspired remake of the A1GP, but it's basically the Olympic version of Motorsport. My country, Bangladesh 🇧🇩, participated in five disciplines of it.
i find it funny that the guy that teaches me how to do zombie easter eggs is the same guy teaches me me about automotive history
You know what would be interesting? A GT series in which each champion/top 5 points finishers of their respective disciplines were to compete.
I.e. 5 WEC cars, 5 IMSA cars, 5 GTWC cars, 5 Asian Le Mans cars, 5 ELMS cars... etc.
regarding ASCAR, the cars were derived from the ASA here in the USA. At that time, ASA had it's own car/ruleset which started in the early 90s after switching away from the late models it ran previously.
When you mentioned ASCAR, I was hoping you'd then talk about AUSCAR, using Australian cars going around ovals clockwise. This could in fact become a series if you so wished
Great video, Roflwalle. :)
Brilliant video really enjoyed watching it ! Funnily enough when I was at Brands Hatch this year for super touring power 2 one of the Dodge Stratus NATCC cars was on display
In 2001, Neil Cunningham 🇳🇿 (mentioned in the video about Ben Collins) made 3 starts in the ASCAR series
Been a subscriber for a fairly long time, enjoyed every new upload but since the last upload, I randomly started binging your content, even if I'd seen it before, and so this new upload was very welcome to my home page. Thanks for the upload.
when I think about it A1GP is pretty much the Nations Cup in GT7.
Good learning about obscure forms of racing I never knew. Love your videos!
What a good video you have spent mate.
Greatest motorsport history channel out there, just period.
This reminds me of a short lived class of domestic motorcycle racing class in Indonesia back in the early to mid 90's. If I remember correctly, it's the 250cc open class. Where bikes like CBR250RR, The brokenly OP NSR250 and others races each other.
The class would last around 3 seasons, with all races won by the NSR250. 60hp with shitty tune on a bike weighing less than 140 kilo (wet) is something else. Especially when you can get through a hairpin without coming out of third gear
Bruh, someone had to notice that the name ASCAR was questionable before putting it out.
There was a " Speedcar series" which was an Asian version of Nascar held at a few circuits around middle east. It was basically like a spec- Nascar where every driver raced the identical cars with same power output. There was also the Intercontinental Rally Challenge or IRC which was a great rally championship with manufacturers teams and it came close to threaten the WRC but it too vanished eventually.
In six months, you could probably add the Superstar Racing Experience (SRX).
And IROC, its spiritual predecessor. Though that one lasted way longer than the ones in this video and was quite a success.
@NurburgringMascotThirstA-is6gl IROC can't be classified as one of these. It lasted decades, and was by and large a success.
Possibly tcr as well i know it's not going great here in Australia
@@tnarg27 TCR is more of a ruleset than a specific series, kind of GTE, which folded recently. Personally I'm all for NGTC becoming more popular as a touring car formula. It's cheaper and doesn't depend on manufacturers as much.
Great documentary as always. Love your content. Thanks
Fun fact: ITCC was DTM because they change the name series because they race on international level until 1996 and 2000s DTM return unit they died again in 2020 but as the class 1 touring car regulations in 2021-Now they are just other gt3 sport car racing series now and is no longer touring car racing anymore.
I love you DTM you are my favourite Motorsports series ever and you change my life forever.
I loved A1GP!!!!
Those Lola's were so good, as was the racing, i went to the 2006 Zandvoort weekend wich was an awesome event, i remember those Zytek engines roaring through the dunes, wonderful stuff!!!
Please do more niche motorsport content I love it!
You could have mentioned the Japanese Touring Car Championship which lasted from 1994 to 1998. Originally, its supposed successor would be the SSCC (All-Japan Super Silhouette Car Championship) with the SSCC Chaser as shown, to replace the JTCC after 1998, but that never happened. The Japanese Touring Car Championship even had a cancelled PS1 game based on the 1995, from Bulletproof Software who were the sponsors of the real life 1995 season and also the publishers of not only the game, but also the publishers of Genki's very first Shutokou Battle games and Michael Andretti's Indy Car Challenge. The cancelled PS1 game recycles the engine from Shutokou Battle: Drift King for the PS1, and it's unknown whenever Genki developed the cancelled JTCC game.
How dare TH-cam gatekeep me from this for 3 HOURS.
Thanks! I'd add Extreme E, Jaguar I-Pace trophy and Formula S5000. Also, those Lamborghini Urus and 1,5 ton truck racing series that never started sounded lunatic enough to be interesting.
I still have a A1GP sticker on my bedroom window from a publicity event at Autosport International. A nice little reminder of the series long gone.
25:54 what in the Grid OST 😲
I see you w/ the SEGA GT 2002 music in the background!!
I think the problem that ASCAR had was similar to what the North American Touring Car Championship had, as ASCAR was trying to bring American-Style Stock Cars to Europe and NATCC tried bringing European-Style Touring Cars to America, and the Europeans just said "why would I watch that when I can watch BTCC or DTM" and the Americans said "why would I watch that when I could just watch NASCAR"
Never forget evolution gt for the ps2 used stcc footage in the tutorial videos with Gabrielle Tarquini
Make sure to change language for Tarquini's real voice
30:09 That’s Ring Knutstorp. I have visited it twice as a kid. Now I know how others feel when they see a local track in a video.
please take care of your racing series, make sure to feed it regularly (don't over feed) let it get enough movement and sunlight!
I think ASCAR might've worked if they'd just had the cars turn right instead of left. 🤔
Or not name it asscar which is hilarious
A1 was genuinely amazing, CART 1995-99 and A1 2005-2008 was the best racing I have ever seen
Very cool stuff! I've seen that Dodge touring car before but wasn't sure what it was from. I guess I just assumed it was a one-off promotional vehicle for some reason.
2nd Coming of Class 1 and Mercedes' DTM exit will always remind me of a very expletive heavy Timo Glock team radio rant from 2018 (pre ADAC takeover DTM (even into GT3 era) had live radio which was pretty neat and had its fair share of memorable moments, most infamous probably being a certain 2015 Audi incident)
I was at the A1GP first ever round at brands hatch. Then went again the year after for the start of the second season. Nice to see it mentioned here :D
British stock cars mentioned!!!!!1!!11!11!!1
Even my grandad made a cameo XD
I do wonder what happen to the cars the series used
@@smudger4274 majority of the old brisca F1 Stockcars are still around now, a few of my grandad Brian’s aren’t, one of his cars and bus was sold to Brent Savage. Another one he disliked it so he cut it up and built his house on it, so who ever lives in his old house there’s a Chopped up f1 Stockcar under the kitchen, the rest were sold on I think, half of them even I don’t know where they are.
For the other cars a fair few In the heritage series are the original F1 Stockcars a few were re-Builds but a fair few are original
@ I meant the ASCAR cars as I’m a huge nascar fan and it would be interesting to know what happened to them
@@smudger4274 majority of them would have been scrapped most likely mate, my current boss has just quit another series like ascar, it was called the American cup car series or MASSCAR (mini nasscar) and they ran on motorbike engines. So if you like Nass car you might wanna check that out aswell
But yea most likely the majority of the Ascars would be either, Abandoned, in garage or scrapped
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A1gp could have huge appeal again if they did it correctly. My ideas: Itd have to be less than or equal to f3. Like f3 but more equal and spec. Limited to drivers that have not progressed to f3 or higher. If a team wants to run a 2nd car, it needs to be for a woman. Teams can use the same driver for 2/3 to 3/4 of the year but must run no less than 3 drivers per car over the season. Id like to see like f3 scholarships for the "winners" but i havent thought that thru or how itd work lol. Maybe have a drivers championship on the side, itd be fine as long as everyone is limited to the same amount of races right? If theres 16 races but noone can race more than 12 something like that
its been over a decade since i've played FM4 but the fact that i'm still able to recognize songs from its sound track is honestly amazing
I believe that the WTCC is to begin visiting national touring car races within their season from 2025. In what seems to be the ITCC, but a reverse of that format. WTCC is where you will find the Polestars these days. Same colour, almost as much success. Though they are very Chinese these days. For me, nothing beats the weird and wacky world of the Aussie Racing Car series. Here's a link to a race th-cam.com/video/eK9Yw2dzWJ4/w-d-xo.html Yamaha motorbike engines, with a centrally mounted single seat, and a body dropped on to the identical engine /chassis combo, to make them look like mini Nascars. The format is much cheaper at the entry level, but shamefully, no other county seems to have picked up on the series. The UK has had a Mini Miglia series since 1966, which I suppose mirrors that entry level, but is actually expensive.
I found out that the Aussie Racing Cars are actually based on the Legends Cars raced in the US. I watch all of the support races for the Australian SuperCar Championship, and I think it was last season that someone said what they are based on. Those little cars can put on a blinder of a race.
Racedriver grid ost. I give a like. The least i could. Btw, nice documentary attached to the grid ost song.
I hated the fact I missed so many interesting things around the 2000's, like me never watching or hearing a Lister Storm in real life, and A1GP is definitely one thing I truly missed, because I had nowhere to watch it properly. I was truly invested though, even when Belgium wasn't driving in it. But I do remember the two times they tried to revive it. One as an African championship with the second cars, and same as you mentioned in the video.
Even though I'm a bit disagreeing with most people here about the comparison with the FIA Motorsport Games, which I feel is more like the Olympic Games then what A1GP stood for, we might see something popping up in the future on Asian side. Not with single seaters but Norma prototypes, and from what I read and wrote myself, that has more the feeling of what A1GP was in the past.
But should they revive A1GP and it becomes a championship again, I would try anything to get accredited as a journalist/photographer.
It would've been a nice touch if you put in conclusion that abu Dhabi desert challenge, Morocco rally challenge, and basically any rally raid challenge and Event got folded in 2021 and the year after the world rally raid championship born including all of them into one major long tournament.
They even made the first officially licensed game for that in 2022 that a year after it went fro free on steam or epic or PS store i don't remember
I'm always very happy to see new uploads from you. They're so entertaining to watch ❤
Fun fact. The Volvo S60 even ended up over here in Australia and did a stint in the V8 Supercars Championship from 2013-2016
However that was a touring car based off an actual s60 and not the tube frame car made by solution f
@dchil15 Ik that, I was just pointing out that the S60 was used over here cause he said that it was one of the most popular race cars Volvo had used
Also V8 Supercars were pretty much doing the same thing be then. All cars had a chassis with an engine underneath, then they just chucked the bodywork on top
I feel like if touring cars in NA followed more of the V8 Supercars/DTM-pre-Class 1 model with bigger and faster cars (as well as using the V8 Supercar/BTCC model of putting those big and fast cars onto smaller national level circuits) they could find a really good untapped market. Hell, V8 Supercars actually has been the favorite series in the state of Utah for a good few years now. (also just to make people sad we were this close to having a DTM America series under Grand-Am before the merger happened)
Yep, the USA already had a "touring car series", it was called TRANS-AM (and Camel GTU too to a point)
@@DiegoRuiz1991 Honestly I'd classify Trans Am in a different category entirely, kind of a holy combination of a GT car and a DTM-style touring car (yes I know it sounds kind of semantics-y but it's what I genuinely think about it)
Great video. If your doing another video on defunct racing series my i suggest iroc that lasted from 73 to 06 . Or it spiritual sucessor superstar racing experience which had 3 seasons from 2021 to 2023.
Love the Randy Pobst mention
I miss watching his "The Racing Line" series on MotorTrend channel, he was quite entertaining.
@@KevinAbillGaming He's over on Hagerty now with Jason Camissa; the videos they put out have crazy production quality.
16:06 My home track spotted ❤
I love when racing games includes these obscures championships cars
Thanks for not mentioning Bernie Ecclestone during the ITC part. It annoys me everytime when I see people trying to only blame Bernie for the death of the series everytime discussions about this series start. You could have mentioned the insane tech these cars had which led to escalating costs, which meant that the ITC was basically dying before it even started.
I remember A1GP thanks to GRID Autosport by Codemasters, where the Formula B car is based of that.
A1GP was like racing before sponsors/sponsorliveries became a thing
2:00 another example is colapinto. im from argentina and i swear to god everyone is talking about him, my family, my friendos who know nothing about f1, people at the street and its just crazy
sorry for bad english