I actually had to buy a r6ii for a wedding because of how bad the r5ii was. It’s only good in 8k or 4k fine. I debating sending it back. Not only is it soft but the overblown hi lights actually have a yellow fringe. I hope people fined this video helpful. Or cannon just lets us shoot 4k fine 60 not only 30.
Thanks for the honest opinion. I'm a Sony User actually and had a chance to try the A7RV for video and the pixel binning is quite incredibly good, but it produces artifacts when shooting with everything in focus (widangle, landscapes, hyperfocal in general). It's a huge improvement over the A7R4 line skipping. That Canon 4k60p line skipping in 2024 for that price and whit that fast sensor is insane, I mean it sounds like an imposed cripple/limitation, I can't believe they did it. And moreover no one talks about it. I expected at least a pixel binning...
He just said he has a c70. For other professionals, mirrorless cameras are actually a better value than camcorders. Not sure what you mean by “smoother zoom”. If you’re shooting with an integrated lens, you really don’t understand filmmaking vs photography 😂
Thanks for your perspective! I've been researching about the r5 mkii as I might upgrade to it, but I won't do as much video as you. Good to see comments from both sides.
I think we can respectfully agree to disagree. I did watch the video to the end and I understand your points. 4k 60 is softer than R6 II, which I own both. I understand that you are mostly video so this camera may have not been the best choice for the money as well and I think the c400 or c80 would be better for your needs. I've been testing the R5 II like crazy since release day and read through the 1200 plus page online manual to make sure my findings were correct. Where I disagree is your conclusion on sRAW. sRAW 60 is so sharp and has much more detail than clog 2 4k 60. I did a few videos on it on my channel, but from what the manual says about sRAW on all FPS it is oversampled. I reached out earlier today to the Canon Cinema Rep and they couldn't conclude if it is or isn't oversampled in sRAW 60 based on the same manual so they are reaching out to the engineer team and getting back to me. I also did not have the same issues or results as you did when editing sRAW. What editor do you use, because in DaVinci Resolve it is super clean and more accurate in color than even clog 2? I'm editing on a 48" OLED and there is a big difference in colors with sRAW in a good way over clog 2. Both are great, but the 12bit in sRAW is able to be pushed so much more in Resolve. I do appreciate your perspective and I think the c400 will be much better for your needs.
@@franreinaphoto I read your comment and didn't want to just answer your questions with opinion but actually look at footage I have shot with it over the last month and pixel peep. That being said I just spent an hour looking at sraw 60, sraw 24 and Clog 2 60fps so I can give you an honest perspective from another R5II. Michael is correct in what he is seeing. In 4k 60 sraw once you zoom in 2x or more you can see the artifacting, but it is not easy to notice it at 1x. 4k 60 clog 2 is much much much cleaner, but you lose some sharpness. To be fair clog2 60fps does give it more of a filmic look not being so digitally over sharpened and I like it. In sRAW 24fps the image is SO much cleaner than sraw 60, and if you zoom in you don't see the same artifacting as sraw 60. So far I prefer sRAW for its flexibility over clog2 in post, but clog 2 is amazing as well. The moral of the story is that for people like Michael the c400 or c80 is better suited. For a hybrid shooter like me and my business the r5 II is amazing. Hope that helps!
@@JaredHoyman Thanks mate. Just got the mkII and this video made me panic a bit. I film underwater, so things are tricky enough! The main reason I upgraded was the colour grading in clog2, the increase in options in 4K and sound being recorded at 120fps. I'd be interested in your opinion on me starting with 4K60 in clog2? Thanks again.
@ I have 2x R3 and it is an awesome camera, even the 1080p looks incredible. It is rumoured that the sensor in the C400 and C80 is this sensor tweaked. You don’t need 50 mega pixels for video. Even does 240fps in 1080p if you like super super slo-mo. I would give it a look,especially for your use case.
Thanks for the feedback, I like hearing from other actual videographers vs TH-cam reviewers, and the amount of time you put into this video is appreciated. I have the R5II and will start doing my own testing in the next couple of days. I was aware before getting the R5II that the 4K60 is line skipped which is disappointing but wasn't a dealbreaker for me. TBH I have the C70 and IMO it is softer than anything I get out of the R5 and probably softer than anything I will get out of the R5II as well. It doesn't bother me because you can always add post sharpness. The C70 footage gets incredibly sharp with a touch of post sharpening as does the R5 and I am pretty sure the R5II will be the same way. With the 4K60 SRAW, it is straight off the sensor so no denoising or sharpening has been applied to it, if you post sharpen the SRAW it will actually get much sharper than the C70 or R8. Post sharpening is a standard step in editing both photos and videos, as long as the footage was shot with a good codec, at a good data rate, and the subject matter was in focus, post sharpening can make the image as soft or as sharp as you want. The R8 probably looks better right out of camera because it is probably applying some sort of in camera sharpening and denoising; the fact it is oversampling vs line skipping definitely helps as well but probably not as much as you would think. Congrats on getting the C400, I am eyeing it as well, but most of my work is run and gun hybrid photo/video work so the R5II was a better fit for me. If the C70 wasn't so good I would consider replacing it with the C400. Looking forward to your thoughts on the C400.
Thank you for your comment. Best comment ive seen all day on this video. Yes I agree the C70 is a soft out of camera. But like you said I can always touch it up in post and it looks amazing. With the R5 2 I tried doing what I always do with the C70 and of course some other methods and it just looks nasty to me. I was using one of the highest Bit Rates it had in 4k 60. I have to say though maybe im just spoiled with the C70 image quality and im expecting the Canon R5 2 to match it. I use the R8 and C70 together all the time and it matches very well with the C70. Yes I use Raw quite a bit and know that I have to clean that footage up a little but when the SRAW totally changes the colors it just through me off lol. Regular Raw I can handle and fix it up nice and pretty. But SRAW just looks nasty to me. Looking forward for when the C400 ships. Maybe that one can be the Full Frame version of the C70 lol. Maybe not though because of the DGO Sensor. Lol
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions I did quite a bit of testing today and it is official, I will never use SRAW out of the R5II, the color shift and chromatic aberration is not worth it in the R5II when shooting SRAW. The XF-HEVC S 4K fine @ 30FPS and XF-HEVC S 4K@60FPS looked much better than the SRAW. The SRAW also does something strange to the exposure, I couldn't tell if it was increasing the DR or just increasing the overall exposure, but the exposure changes when switching to it from one of the compressed options. The good news for me at least is the 4K60FPS compressed looked sharper than the 4K30FPS Fine with a touch of post sharpening so it will work for my main needs. SRAW is so new it is possible that Davinci Resolve will need an update to properly read it, I have a hard time believing it is really as bad as it looked on my screen.
@@VUMEDIAGroup Hi, was reading your comment and I want to buy it for same Codec XF-HEVC S 4K@60FPS due to file sizes of SRAW, I was surprised to hear it was sharper, many people compared it side by side and I can see SRAW is definitely sharper than XF-HEVC S 4K@60FPS ... wondering is it because of new firmware? or early production units issue? really want to know this a bit more! could you also give any file size comparison over SRAW to HEVC! thanks🙌
The Canon 4k 60 sweet spot is the R6II . I use it for all day weddings, no overheating, no line skipped readout, full frame, ibis, smaller package… might be worth considering alongside the C70 Also, maybe it’s a video publish date timing issue, but the new C80 seems to be similar to the C400
Thanks for this comment.. I'd been all set to go out and get the R5mkii . But starting to think I'm way better off saving a tonne of money.. getting the R6mkii.. only thing I would have liked is a bit of 120fps option.. but otherwise the r6 does seem like the bang for buck option.. and maybe spending money on a new 70-200 l2.8 would bring about a better overall result! Edit: I've since read you can get 120 at 1080p.. I think that is quite usable anyway!
Dude! Thank you for this. I shoot athletics and my primary camera is the c70. Only complaint with it was the softness of the 4K, but only an issue when cropping in for effects. I was excited to get a r5m2 hoping that it would keep the sharpness a little better when popping in, but NOPE! So glad I came across your video. Now it looks like I'm pinned to get the c80 once more reviews come out for it.
the answer is very simple, the R5II is a great camera for 12bit 8k60 raw and 10bit 8k30 & 4k30 fine because it uses ten ull sensor read out or supersampling. for me it's great to shoot 8k60 raw as in post I can do slow motions and can do digital paning and zooming in without loss of quality. all olther formates like 4k60, 4k120 and sraw a downsampled with line scipping / pixel binding which causes less details less sharpness an aliassing on contrasty lines. there is only one additional mode for 4k60 which gives you the full quality and this is the 4k60 cropped mode (S35 / aps-c) because then, the R5II supersamples the resulting 4k60 cropped image from the cropped appr 6k resolution. if you need a clean 4k60 or great 4k120 or the best low light camera, you should better use a 24MP cam like the R6II or R6 or for professional use the R3. thats the reason why I still have my R3 besite my new R5II, the R5II only for 8k60 raw and the R3 for low light conditions and 4k120
how long does it shoot in 8k RAW before overheating? 5 minutes? 10? There is no recording to an external SSD, if it doesn't overheat, then it will run out of space
@@Andrew_Nekrasov The R5II is the jack of all trades but master of none, a perfect swiss knife for hybride creatives, but not a full size video machine. That's what one should keep in mind. It's a 750 gramms 8k60 12bit raw machine which fits into your pocket, but it's not build for endless 8k raw recordings. It has multi formate options for every need, but not all formates are supersampled, some are downsampled with more ore less loss of quality. You should know what to do with this camera and Canon should better communicate their camera line up in terms of best specific user cases for every model. One more point here regarding the test from Michael Johnson, 4k sraw is definitlely not as worse as he described it, it's not as good as original 8k raw due to line scipping / pixel binding but is way better than the 4k 60/120 10bit formates.
@@Andrew_Nekrasov I have a 2 terrabyte CF-B card and the fan grip. I ran the R5ii shooting 8K/60 raw internally for 40 minutes before the batteries died. I also have an atomos external recorder and did 8k/30 raw over HDMI for more than two hours with supplement USB-C powering.
I am looking to get advice on either purchasing the R5 Mii or the r6 Mii. Sold my 5d Mark IV and 7D. Currently don't have a camera and shoot. I shoot events, but never had a mirrorless camera.
Shooting more than four weddings, each lasting over 15 hours, using three EOS R5 II cameras without battery grips-recording in 4K 60p outdoors and 4K 25p indoors with Log 2-has been no problem. Occasionally, the screen shows a 10-level overheating indicator, but it rarely goes beyond 2 notches. I even recorded non-stop for 3 hours, and it never exceeded 2 notches. The quality is incredible, even when downscaled from 8K. Do you have the ‘Shutdown Warning’ setting turned OFF?
Canon R6ii owner here, you should send the R5ii back and get an R6ii. The R8 has the same sensor as the R6ii so you’ll have a great A and B cam. The R6ii is best in its class for IBIS and low-light high ISO situations. No issues with overheating and great battery life. It’s also great for stills with really good dynamic range. Absolute workhorse… I love canon but am not a loyalist, getting ready to buy an FX3 soon.
I'm considering getting a second R6ii. I really like it a lot. I'm watching R5ii reviews to see what I'd be getting into. Especially the points not a lot of people mention. I mainly want the R5ii to replace my EOS-R for wedding pictures. But hey I like shooting video occasionally too so I need to know how it reacts.
@@SamFigueroa I must say although I don't own an R5ii my R5 and R5C both wipe the floor with my R6ii; the R6ii is a far inferior image in my humble opinion..
I owned and shot probably 1200 GB every week since then. Here’s the short version. 4k60p line skipping a little better than the R5 mark 1. SRAW beautiful and sharp (not for everyone, he doesn’t understand raw clearly) cropped mode 4k60p very sharp oversampled from 5.1K I use it a lot actually. 4k120 looks identical to 60p. Not bad for social media, almost no one can’t tell the difference after TH-cam compression. 8k best in business. Overheating it’s better than before but still there in long shots mostly.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions The R6II has the best 4k60HQ out of every camera and you can shoot 45 minutes straight before overheating and cost $1999. I have that one and the OG R5. I was disappointed the 4k60 was lined skipped. The new R5ii battery gives the R5c 30 minutes more recording time and the 4k60 on that camera is great.
@presise1620 I have the r5c and it all around beats the other EOS brothers except the new c400 and c80 ofcourse. Oversampled 8K in every 4k codec! And can shoot 4K 120 in XF-AVC ALL INTRA! With it on sale now for $3600 from its original $4300 price.. it is the best price cinema pro 8K camera under $4K. Watch my review I just posted.
This is an honest and excellent review. Thanks very much for your thoughts. Since I’m primarily a 4k60 content creator, I will absolutely steer clear of this camera. The non over sampled, line skipped pixel binned footage would be unusable to me. Perhaps we’ll have better luck with the R5 mkiii(?).
To just to let you know, I have the r5c which does over sample in all modes with zero overheating. With the new battery in the r5c it greatly increases the run time of the canon r5c. I got over an hour and a half run time on one lpe6p battery. I know you already got this camera but if you can return it maybe try the r5c
As im sure you seen in the video. I already sent the R5 2 back and purchasing the C400. I do appreciate the recommendation though. That is insane for some reason I thought the R5C did the same as the R5 2 but after reading your comment I looked it up and seen that you are correct. Freaking amazing.
@@JJohnson313lol, ok, let’s go down the path of common sense for a bit. What does he stand to lose by not recommending the camera? What does he already have ( kit wise ) what is his real world use of cameras outside of TH-cam? Lastly, what did he say he was going to pick up after returning the R5II? He’s picking up a camera that’s twice the MSRP next. If anything, by argument he stands to spend more money. I said “non TH-camr” because TH-camrs live in the shadow of sponsorships and promoting affiliates, which means, they will always speak In a way to appease said circumstances.
*R5C* is way better in most situation ^^ And don't overheat, and cost less money. I was a little bit desapointed that it can't handle 8K60 with the integrated battery, cause with the dual fisheye lens, and external USB Power bank, it's kinda "Big" in hands. But it's not my main using case. So I finnaly deal with it, and bought a second one, for multiple plan with same colors.
Both R5 and R52 use no FF oversampling algorithm on 4Kp60 because of the limited ability of the inside SOC and the unsolved heat dissipation issues. That's the main reason why the footage under 4Kp60 of R52 is soft, which has been the same issue on its predecessor.
So I just wanna buy a camera exclusively for photos. I’ve been looking at this one because I will not use it for video since I have the FX3. But would it overheat taking photos as well?
I do plan on getting the R5 Mk II primarily for photography and leave the videography to my DJI Osmo Pocket 3. I have been in dire need of replacing my old Sony Alpha A65.
I know 4k60p is line skipped on the R5II, but do you think you may have gotten a bad R5II? My R6II was so bad that Canon ended up replacing it for me. At the same time, I won't be surprised because my R5 4k60p is very soft, and it is line skipped as in R5II. It is a shame that Canon didn't improve on it.
Thank you so much for this honest impression. The totally cured me from the idea to replace my regular R5 by the new model. Guess I have to wait until R6 III or R5C II will be launched.
Let's not forget Canon R6! I only shoot in 60fps for B-roll. No need for that when people talk.. so be intentional with filming and you should be fine. Buy a 2nd camera as a backup with the low price it's selling at. Just a thought.
If you are talking about 4k 60fps unfortunately I have a bad feeling that you havent seen actual good sharp footage before out of a good shooting camera. If you're talking about 4k 30 I can agree it shoots some good footage.
For run and gun scenarios if I’m shooting any movement that I might want to be slowed down, I can’t risk shooting in 30 has to be 60. You never know what will happen and changing settings means you could miss the shot if something spontaneous happens. And I could imagine fishing is completely like that. I do 10 hours long weddings and random stuff always happens lol.
I suspected this is the case so thanks for your honesty. This is not a professional video camera. It is a consumer camera for video enthusiasts. You need active cooling to run 4K60p. R5C is the answer. It never overheated on me. Not even close. And I shoot outdoors in the summer in North Carolina. I also owned R8s and those overheated like nobody's business.
Yes as im sure you seen in my video. I use the C70 for all of my video work. I was showing the R8 as an example. I live and shoot in Florida. It is the hottest here lol. And the C70 handles it fine. This video was not about the over heating problem. It was about how bad the footage looks in 4k 60. As Im sure you seen in the video. I sent the R5 2 back and purchased the C400. Cant wait for that camera to be shipped.
I keep coming back to this video, I also hate my r5ii.... overheats, potato 4k50, the ibis jitters at all focal lengths is awful also. Im trying to get my money back but I have it 5 weeks now so im stuck with the heap of absolute crap
Sounds like you're pretty much a videophotographer. Did you not know the 4K 60 wasn't oversampled when you bought it? If your primary use for a camera is mainly video, why would you even buy a hybrid like this? I'm a stills photographer that shoots mainly wildlife and that would be like me buying an R5C for my stills photography because once in while I might shoot some video clips. I think your choice for C400 was great one, from reviews I have seen I think you're going to love it. I personally never understood the whole 8K video thing myself, from most of hybrid camera reviews I have seen 24MP Hybrid seem to be the sweet shot for downsampled 4K footage, don't have overheating issues, much smaller files, etc. I do agree with your assessment of Canon's marketing, because they hype up the video features so much and not the what this camera really excels at which is fast action stills photography. The stills photography is nothing short of amazing, that shoots some really good video too. Hope you like you new C400.
The R5C is actually just as good as the R5 for stills. All the Canon's overheat except the R5C and others in the cine lineup. The problem is Canon has too have trade offs like line skipping when the R3 does not have it. So, you get the updated R5 II for video and you have issues again..
Just because it’s over sampled does not mean that the images will be soft… Canon does a poor job with compression here. The Sonys that are lines skipped are much better as to sharpness, detail, and noise.
thank you so much for this video. I own that camera and have been very frustrated with it for video. It won’t even let you record in 60P on any format if you have the hand grip attached to it. 🤔
Wow I just got the R5II too lmao. I’ll definitely test its 4k60 capabilities but I’m hoping it’s not as bad as you say. I have the R6II which shares the same sensor as the R8, and you’re right, it’s 4k60p is immaculate. I just wish it had clog2 😢 If it ends up being crappy 4k60 i might return my r5ii 😅
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions I did Amazon which usually accepts returns. I'll likely return it and save up for the c80 which is what I wanted more anyways haha. Cheers Michael!
Hey there, saw a couple of your videos and got an R8 for a B camera for my C300 Mark lll. I did see the overheating initially but then I got the small rig vmount, plate and a Kondor blue usb c with the converter built in and turned on Airplane mode. Last weekend ran both cameras at an event Morning session was about close to 2 hours and the afternoon session was an hour and a half. R8 filmed 4K 24 the entire time without overheating. 4K 60 for b-roll last week in Florida heat and humidity didn’t overheat. I also shot both times in the smaller file format. Hope that helps thanks for the videos.
The 4k SRAW on this thing also has a really weird funky noise pattern(with both vertical and horizontal short strip/lines) which cannot be removed AT ALL even with the strongest noise reduction settings in post.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions LOL, People only believe what they want to hear, I guess. I was curious if the R5ii could be my new do-it-all camera until I downloaded some actual footage to play with. I was like, YUCK. Nope.
Great camera review, it almost made me return it however I’m not a big videographer. Actually what took me by surprise is that the battery grip with the fan does not have vertical shooting capabilities. I thought that this grip was the best overall choice. I’m glad your footage showed the rear of the camera as I haven’t found any out there showing the whole thing. I guess I’m just buying the non-fan grip to be able to have the necessary buttons when I shoot vertically. Thanks!
1. Your Side by Side comparison at 4:33, are you using the Same Lense OR Same Lense and Adapter (RF to EF)? 2. RAW will not look good straight out of camera, shooting RAW you are expected to Color Correct and then Color Grade your footage (Hopefully people use the right Color Gamut and Color Space), it is not meant to be used straight out of camera. 3. As for your argument about 8k File Size at 5:40, I use 8K RAW for my commercial shoot 25% of the time for the flexibility in Post for the shoots that will require me zoom in and add Motion Graphics, then I have 2 outcomes, "First Outcome" I have it Archived for 45 Days after completing the project for the client, then send the full folder to the client (RAW, Davinci Timeline, Finals) then Delete and keep Finals. "Second Outcome" I keep either the RAW or Downsize to 4k or 1080p Resolutions of the footage from clients to be used for the Future.
1. Same camera same lens same everything. 24-70 RF 2.8. Only difference was 4k 30 and 4k 60 as I said in the video. 2. I never said in the video it should look great straight out of camera. I just said it looks amazing. And yes I am aware that you have to color correct then color grade. Most people that are interested in a camera like this are aware of that. It's almost like you are commenting on the wrong video. Either that or I didn't explain myself clearly in the video. Which is possible I guess. 3. Yes I am aware on how raw can be beneficial I use it all the time on my C70. It's not 8k Raw but it's simply amazing. My argument was the time wasted in waiting for the camera to cool down and waiting for your computer to downsize or render the 16 hours of footage for a single day. With two camera's shooting all day. If you have the privilege of shooting short clips. That is amazing. I'm happy for you. There is a reason cinema camera's have fans in them. It's for people that shoot all day in the hot sun shooting really high formats. Like myself. The Canon R5 One or Two would not last 5 minutes in the heat. Trust me I tried it. And like I said if you have the time to downsize your footage then good for you but my time is spent trying to get things done. It just dont make since for the type of shooting I do. I understand small projects of course that would work but not long days with multiple camera's running. I do appreciate your comment.
The video was not about the camera over heating. It was about how bad the 4k 60 is. When I mentioned the overheating was when I was talking about 8k 60. The fan only gives you about 7 extra minutes. I live in Florida and the times are actually lower than that. As I stated in the video. I shoot on a boat most of the day. The sun is beaming. So that's another reason why I love the C70 so much.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions I get it, but you brought up an interesting point because you kept mentioning overheating as well so that’s why I was inquiring more about that. Well, hopefully this is something that canon can do something about.
yes you are right about 4k 60p, but rest of that, this camera is beast, with clog2, its scary close to c70, can shoot 8k raw, and its a photo camera too, so only downside is 4k 60, maybe they can fix it with firmware
IF 4k60 is the most important codec for you as a professional and you can't make the 4k sRAW mode work for you (I've had great results), then you're better off with a c70/FX3. The image out of this camera is rather insane and cinematic for its price point, and it's truly a king of the hybrids. Gerald Undone very accurately sums up its strengths and weaknesses. But you are right, the base 4k60 isn't as great as other models.
It is frustrating how very few major camera reviewers have mentioned about subsampled 4K60. Although I either use 25P or 100P but I understand 50/60P are critical for most of video users. And people always recommend A7Siii FX3 when it comes to video. Well in most cases they are probably OK, but after 4 years they are aging and lack a lot of features that others have, e.g. lower resolution, no animal autofocus, soft 4K120 and no pre-roll. Videography is just as vast, if not vaster, use case as photography. Recommendation should be use case centric and bespoke. Thanks for the great review BTW.
At the 5:50 mark the cars were jumpy. Did you switch to 180 manually? Honest opinions. All good. I have a C400 coming. I was thinking R52 as a second camera and get rid of 2 C70's. Maybe not now. Thanks. C70 rocks!
You are shooting with your lens set at f/22. You should use ND filters on the lens instead. You will find decreased sharpness on your lens past f/11. f/9 to f/11 is sweet spot. If you can get your f/stop even lower you can get a nicer blurry background to create a higher quality cinematic look. Best of luck on your future shoots!
When did I ever shoot at f22? The only time I would ever do that is when im running an over heating test or something lol. Never in my life would I do that.
And that would be only because I didn't feel like putting an ND on it. No reason too. I shoot with the C70. Has built in ND's. When I shoot with the R8 or anything else I always use ND's. Not sure what you are talking about unfortunately. I would never do that unless it's for something that wouldn't matter. Like if im going to delete the footage right after.
I use the Canon R5ii and I find the focus sharper than my R5. Call Canon and see what you are doing wrong. You might have a setting off. Also, use a 2tb card...
Not doing anything wrong. The camera just does not shoot good 4k 60. As I’m sure you seen in the video. I’ve already sent the camera back and purchased the c400
@@MichaelJohnsonProductionsYes you are correct,it was common knowledge months ago on canon USA comments , do your homework before you buy a camera . The c 400 is not weather sealed be careful using on a boat !
I shot all day in Fl outside about 90 degrees in 4K 60…yes I had to turn on the cooling fan after an about an hour..it was awesome and didn’t overheat to where it could not be used.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions I also come from the R8…and it does shoot great footage…it just over heats so quickly…but truthfully I can’t tell much difference in the footage. But I also did some shooting in 120 FPS. And I really didn’t like the way that footage looked.
I didn’t come from the R8 I come from the canon c70 so honestly that could be it as well. I’m spoiled with that camera footage. It’s amazing. The r8 I was just using as an example. I use the r8 very little
If you want a crisp 4K 60 on R52 you can shoot in SRAW and it’s similar to oversampled, is 12 bit, great dynamic range and its only 700mbs. On weddings I shoot in 24p all day and only use 60p for intentional slomo stuff like dancing and portraits.
Yeah as I stated in my video. If you are recommending using sraw you never used sraw. It’s terrible footage. Honestly if you shot with sraw and thought it looked good. I question your judgment. But you probably haven’t used it yet. And yes for wedding shoots you have that privilege of picking and choosing. I do appreciate your comment.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions Have you seen James Reader’s video? It seems like the 4K SRAW 50p is indeed a lot more crisp than the standard 4K50p. th-cam.com/video/uDlLNRn9o1E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=03UO16AuHWdJpmZn I did note that the SRAW has a different colour cast when testing myself, but I think that’s down to the standard’s post processing. SRAW undoubtedly looks better, I am not sure how you came to the conclusion that it was bad? Again though, its not all about absolute crispy video, CLOG2 provides the R52 with a much nicer falloff in the highlights and shadows in my testing than CLOG3 in R5C. I think they could release a firmware update that does oversampled 4K in 50p for the R52 tbh and then there’d be no question. Also at 3:38 I don’t know how you deliver your footage, but watching on TH-cam I honestly can’t tell the difference. Zooming 400% with original files obviously I can. Shooting in daylight, you’d get much nicer highlights, its not all about low light performance.
I owned and shot probably 1200 GB every week since then. Here’s the short version. 4k60p line skipping a little better than the R5 mark 1. SRAW beautiful and sharp (not for everyone, he doesn’t understand raw clearly) cropped mode 4k60p very sharp oversampled from 5.1K I use it a lot actually. 4k120 looks identical to 60p. Not bad for social media, almost no one can’t tell the difference after TH-cam compression. 8k best in business. Overheating it’s better than before but still there in long shots mostly.
I do understand how raw works. I use it all the time. SRAW is terrible. The Cinema Raw light is amazing I use that every week. I get sharpness is not everything. Trust me I use the canon C70 which shoots softer footage. But the R52 the footage just looks terrible. I guess youtube failed at showing the difference in footage from the C70. I guess everyone would love to justify their purchase decision. I get it. And it's a big possibly that im spoiled with the image quality the C70 gives me and expecting that from the R52
Well Nikon dropped the price on the red, so its actually cheaper and better than the canon c400...go figure. Yeah that is a dumb omission on canon's part, but that might be something they could fix with firmware...I mean if it can do 8kp60 albeit in raw, why the hell not oversampled 4kp60...can't be a horsepower problem. So the fan did keep the 4kp60 going? Its just the line skipping bs that makes it soft and therefore unusable for you? I've used mine with regular grip on two outside texas days (99-101 F), all 120fps HEVC 4:2:0 10-bit and it worked great capturing b-roll clips (was not recording it continuously, and had about 66% time in shade). So capturing short clips to show the festivities/activities for some fundraiser videos. I did see two bars appear outside after running it for about 4 minutes, but literally as soon as I stopped recording the bars dropped to zero. Another gentleman, I believe in South Texas ended up returning his, coz he was driving around in the heat windows down and left it on the seat on and came back and it was bricked by overheating. The sun is POWERFUL here in texas but that made him not trust it. So far so good for my use which is also photography....love being able to run it 100% electronic shutter with no penalty I've been able to visualize! Have the fan grip on order though and I think I'll test it with 8Kp30 to record a long form stage show just to see how it does, using HEVC 8K UHD long gop to keep bitrates lower. The only reason I could justify the upgrade/price was the "improved" video features making it more usable than the R5 mk I.
I own a Komodo-X. My particular niche is recording classical music concerts in often poorly lit churches where have no control over the lighting, where it would be nice to get the brilliantly let stained glass windows (but not essential). I can tell you that the K-X is significantly noisier at iso 4000 than the R5C, (Or lumix S series cameras). and I have no doubt that the canon C400 (having a 3rd base iso) would be better for my application than the K-x.
That’s also what I wanted to say. R6II might be a better option if you don’t require 4k120. It has pre-roll which no other camera has in this price range.
To be fair most full frame cameras overheat when shooting 4k 60p. This is a feature unique to Canon unless its a full frame camera with a 1:1 4k resolution sensor like the Sony A7S III. This is why all other full frame cameras have to crop to APSC mode when shooting 4k 60. The R5 is a unique camera that pushes the limits of full frame technology. Full frame can barely manage 4k and yet Canon has made 8k work. For those that want that level of detail its there. For those that rarely want or shoot slow motion the tradeoff is there to prefer fine detail and better quality options for recording formats like raw. The R5 is a borderline cinema camera and some sacrifices have to be made for other types of video production to be better optimized for more narrative types of production. Its important to use the best tools for the job. I own a R6 and a R5. Owned the R6 first and yes its a better 60p camera. Its a better videography camera which is why I keep it. I feel like I have the best of both worlds at my disposal now. Great 60p from the R6 when the type of project makes more sense to go that route. Great 8k raw using c-log2 for a lot of color flexibility later. The R5 is not a bad camera at all and in fact the mk2 is an absolutely amazing video camera. It depends on the types of video each person shoots which is why we have the choices out there. Fun tip but much like other full frame cameras that shoot 4k 60p at APSC crop the R5 can do the same and it eliminates overheating. Since the sensor is 8k a APSC crop is still 5.1k oversampled to 4k video. The R5 can over sample when cropped since the sensor is reading out a lot less pixels. So it manages 4k 60 over sampled from 5.1k and looks great. Its a APSC crop but its the clean 4k 60p I think many were hoping for. Over sampling takes processing cycles and the 8k sensor is already a ton of pixels to read from the sensor. The R5C can handle it due to a much larger fan and colling system built into the camera. I will say that outside of the 4k 60p aspect the R5 is superior to the R6 in almost every other possible way. I rarely shoot slow motion or 60p real life video anymore so its not as much of a concern for me. If I do have to shoot a long form type project I either use the R6 or use the R5 in crop mode.
@@papsny you are correct because it’s another full frame sensor like the A7S III that has just enough pixels for 4K video. No over sampling at all. That is also a trade off. Some may feel a 4K sensor should only have 4k resolution but even many cinema cameras now over sample to 5k, 6k or larger. Ironically one of the best cameras on the planet the Alexa was only really a 2.8k sensor so really is a 1:1 4k sensor all that bad? I love my R5 but I also love my R6 and I personally so feel like 6k should be the limit of 4k sensors. I would like it if Canon made the R5 6k instead of 8k. I would like to see a 4k option as well like the FX3. Sadly those are niche cameras that have almost zero appeal to photographers.
@@digitaldevigner4080 Nikon Z8 or Z6 III can do oversampled FF 4K 60 fps, Leica cameras have FF oversampled 4K 60 fps, Sony a9 III has oversampled 4K 60 fps, Fujifilm GFX 100 II - probably same thing. So, only Panasonic and Pentax doesn’t offer that, but Panasonic has FF 4K 60 fps (1.1 crop) in LUMIX S1R. It’s not oversampled, but it’s sharp and it never overheats. So, this feature is great in Canon cameras, but not super unique. I didn’t check even Blackmagic 6K or Z Cam 6K with full frame sensors. A lot of choices.
@@digitaldevigner4080 The Nikon Z6III does oversampled 4k 60fps and crop 4k 120, it also does 6k raw and 5.4k pro res (but honestly who even shoots in pro res)
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions the C400 looks amazing... I shoot sony, so I'm just waiting to see what the next move it by them... I think they should combine the fx3 and fx6 into the fx5 lol basically make it the size of a c70 ... internal NDs, I'd be ok with 4k in all the frame rates down sampled off a 6k sensor ... stacked sensor (rolling shutter) fine )for the fastest readouts .. I'd like to see the triple base iso with the option of turning off internal noise reduction off ..Sony also needs to give us a legit LCD ! The fx3 is LCD is absolutely trash on a bright day ... I'm forced to use a monitor when I don't want to lug one around .. If Sony doesn't knock it out of the park I'm probably gonna go for the c400 to be honest
@@alansarpy The good news is that sony makes a camera with internal ND's, and IBIS, capable of 8K raw like the R5(C,ii), and uses full size CF-Express B cards and industry standard batteries. The bad news is that it costs $25,000.
I really hope they do and can for the people that are stuck with the camera. I will say this. When I purchased the C70 4 years ago it was a good camera but not a great camera. With some firmware updates they made it an amazing camera.
They should just eliminate video from photo cameras and put effort in making it great for photos. For video there should be Cxx. I hate paying premium for features I use 5% of time and I don't care if video isn't sharp. Colors are most important aspect for me.
With all due respect, I don’t know who you’ve been watching that hasn’t been talking about this. Every video I’ve watched has talked about this specific thing being the worst thing about the R5II. I’m in the market for an R5II and I have an R5C so if you wanna trade let me know 🤣 I’ve always struggled to understand why 60fps is so popular anyway. Unless your output is 60fps, using it in a 24 timeline you have the wrong shutter angle and then for actual slow motion, I don’t know why you wouldn’t take the time to switch to 120. I’m not trying to hate or anything, I genuinely just don’t get it. Maybe I’m missing something?
Yeah other people do talk about it but they need to actually tell people this camera is not usable at all for footage in 4k 60. The footage is that bad to me. As Im sure you seen in my video. I sent the R5m2 back and purchased the C400 oh yeah you are definitely missing something. I thought I explained this in the video but maybe not. So I deliver all the tv shows I shoot and edit for to broadcast. Discovery NBC Sports. Bally. There specs require a timeline of 29.97. So having the camera in 60 gives me the ability to slow shots down if I want incase a fish jumps out of the water or something cool happens. I think if you rewatch the video I do explain it.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions yeah it did look bad I must say. I also understand that you’ve had the camera for a while already clearly and you had to wait for a preorder so likely when you first bought it, there wasn’t as many videos about it as there is now.
You should have tried 4K 60p standard intra with AVCS because it's very detailed. This gives you very high data rates and has more detail. You seems to like over sharpened digital looking footage. You also didn't give the R5 II a chance to see what it can do.
Hi, did you try to report the issue to Canon? I called B&H and let them know that I'm having the same issue. The guys from Canon tech support are clueless. They said the camera has not been long enough for them to know about the issue. Nobody knows if it can or will be fixed in a future update. The camera is so heavily marketed for video, that it shouldn't have this problem. It's not an issue with R5C or R6mii. Why would they cripple it? Only 2 options left for now. Return it or bet 5k that it may be fixed later...
Unfortunately I dont think they will fix it later. I returned mine and have the C400 on the way. Yes the R6mii can do it because it over samples from 6k not 8k. Still a lame excuse but that is the reason. R5C can do it because that is actually a good camera lol.
That's what I was afraid of. I understand to make something better on top of what was already good, otherwise it defies the purpose. There is another thing that nobody mentioned and I found missing. For stills, R6ii could do a multi frame noise reduction jpeg, combining 4 shots. I could not find this option in the new R5ii.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions So 4K 120fps is line skipped? If so that sucks and makes this a no go for me. I know you have the C400 coming but if you get to try the R3 you will love it. Great AF and all oversampled. The dynamic range on the R3 beats the R5C and is close to the C70 dynamic range.
its pixel binning mate from the sensor. the Sonys do this too dependant on crop modes. ur 4K fine footage is so crispy cos its down sampling from a much higher resolution. The high framerate 4K options are only using 4K of the data. technical limitation of every hybrid camera. this is why we have cinema cameras.
Yes as you seen If you watched the video. I own the Canon C70 and been using it for 4 years and the Canon C400 is on the way. So this is why I am so frustrated with the image quality on the R5 2 because I know what looks good. The Canon R5 mark II just sucks for any real video work. Totally get the appeal for photos though.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions ditto I have the c400 coming as well. The R5MK2 is a great b/c cam and a quick run and gun. I wish the c70 sensor was a priority to canon. The Dgo tech is so amazing. A full frame version would have been nice
Ive been saying this for a long time. A Full Frame version of the C70 sensor would shut the camera market down lol. Everyone would have that camera and no other camera lol
I got my R5ii on release day and truthfully this is a very strange video to me… i have no problem with the 4k60 that i use, and I shoot primarily sports… Everyone has the right to their own opinion though
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions 5DIV, R, RP, R8, R6ii, R5, A7SIII and the RED Komodo. I totally get you! I'm sorry if my initial comment came off as rude I was probably tired when I typed that out
Haha, I've had 2 C70's since 2020 and they are really soft in 4K. The R5 II is a good B or C cam, I haven't been able to make it overheat shooting all day Jeeping.
Yeah I wasnt able to make it over heat either. Didnt have it long enough. I live in Florida so im sure it would have in time. The difference with the c70 footage is I can sharpen it and it look good. The R5 Mark ii looks terrible when you add a little sharpening.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions I don't like sharpened footage, it looks digital. Tested the R5 II extensively; the SRAW Light is worthless, but the standard isn't too bad. It is just as sharp as 4K Fine. You will have to run some chromatic aberration correction in resolve once in awhile in SRAW which is the only downside. The biggest reason I will always shoot primarily on a real cinema camera is the internal ND's, XLR and I have noticed that the color science is always worse on the consumer cameras, even the R5C vs my C70.
I don't sharpen enough for it to look digital. I suppose I have to say that. Cinema footage don't break apart and look digital when you sharpen like it does on R5II. That was my point. Like I said before and I'll say it again. I think i'm just spoiled with the C70 and looking for that type of footage out of the r5ii. Luckily I was able to send back no problems and have the c400 coming. I tested SRAW a lot. In light and Standard and I noticed it wasn't dependable and would put you in a bad situation if you are working for a client. I wont use a format that is not bullet proof. I haven't lost a client and don't want to start. SRAW is not even close to dependable. The regular RAW out of that camera is amazing though.
Here are my 2 cents about the R5 ii. They are a shit load of TH-cam influencer telling everybody wow the R5 ii are the work horse bla bla. For the photography sure it is no doubt is a better and faster camera. For video, it is NOT the camera for video, like the R5C. The biggest problem I have about the R5 ii is overheating and pixel bin in 4K 60P. You are buying a $4300 with tax, which is about $4500 camera, and you get overheating is unacceptable to me. This is why I am buying a R5C instead of the R5 ii. R5 ii cooling grip is a mimick. Canon should have made thecR5 ii like R5C with built-in cooling fan and over sample video on ALL Mode. But somehow, Canon always finds a way to screw its customers.
Between stills and video, its a sacrifice between one or the other, you can’t have both without sacrificing something, you’d have to lineskip, crop or downsample. Most photographers don’t understand the caveats of rolling shutter sensor design, also cramming all that data into a mirrorless body.
It might not be the camera for someone with exclusive video needs such as yourself but it surely is a very capable video camera. Overheating is a problem that cameras in this price range and form factor are bound to have, there is simply no space in the design for the heat to dissipate, but the performance of the R5 II is very solid with very good video quality in terms of DR, rolling shutter and customisability. No brand has been able to create a hybrid camera which doesn't overheat in 4K 60p or higher frame rates at this price point. Yes the lack of oversampled 4K 60p is a surprising omission and Canon's insistence to stick to an archaic system for white balance evaluation is a bummer but overall this is a much better camera than most models in this price range. Btw, the oversampled 4K 30p never overheats unless you are shooting directly on a hot day in direct sunlight (even then you can record for more than an hour) and the 4K 60p goes on for over an hour, the 4k 120p can go for 19 mins and the cropped 4K 60p is oversampled and has a 80 min run time without any overheating. These are pretty good numbers in line with all other brands at this price point, and the addition of the fan significantly extends these run times by atleast 40 percent and in some cases more except the 4K 120p which receives a modest increase in run time (from 19 min to about 25 mins). I don't know where you got this information from but it sure as hell ain't correct. Gerald Undone has broken down the model very well, so have others. If it isn't the camera for you, it's okay but don't go around spreading inaccuracies.
I hear yeah but as I explained and showed in the video. I am on a boat in direct sunlight for 12 hour days. The point of the video had nothing to do with the overheating though. It had all to do with how bad the image quality is in 4k 60. Looks terrible from what Im used to.
What are you using with the R8 and how are you color grading? That footage looks amazing. I assume you definitely use an ND filter. Which one? And which lenses?
I actually had to buy a r6ii for a wedding because of how bad the r5ii was. It’s only good in 8k or 4k fine. I debating sending it back. Not only is it soft but the overblown hi lights actually have a yellow fringe.
I hope people fined this video helpful. Or cannon just lets us shoot 4k fine 60 not only 30.
Thanks for the honest opinion. I'm a Sony User actually and had a chance to try the A7RV for video and the pixel binning is quite incredibly good, but it produces artifacts when shooting with everything in focus (widangle, landscapes, hyperfocal in general). It's a huge improvement over the A7R4 line skipping.
That Canon 4k60p line skipping in 2024 for that price and whit that fast sensor is insane, I mean it sounds like an imposed cripple/limitation, I can't believe they did it.
And moreover no one talks about it. I expected at least a pixel binning...
Why don't you just buy a high-end video camera? They are made for videos better, and a smoother zoom, better zoom, and don't overheat .
He just said he has a c70. For other professionals, mirrorless cameras are actually a better value than camcorders. Not sure what you mean by “smoother zoom”. If you’re shooting with an integrated lens, you really don’t understand filmmaking vs photography 😂
Ridiculous comment
Thanks for your perspective! I've been researching about the r5 mkii as I might upgrade to it, but I won't do as much video as you. Good to see comments from both sides.
I think we can respectfully agree to disagree. I did watch the video to the end and I understand your points. 4k 60 is softer than R6 II, which I own both. I understand that you are mostly video so this camera may have not been the best choice for the money as well and I think the c400 or c80 would be better for your needs. I've been testing the R5 II like crazy since release day and read through the 1200 plus page online manual to make sure my findings were correct. Where I disagree is your conclusion on sRAW. sRAW 60 is so sharp and has much more detail than clog 2 4k 60. I did a few videos on it on my channel, but from what the manual says about sRAW on all FPS it is oversampled. I reached out earlier today to the Canon Cinema Rep and they couldn't conclude if it is or isn't oversampled in sRAW 60 based on the same manual so they are reaching out to the engineer team and getting back to me. I also did not have the same issues or results as you did when editing sRAW. What editor do you use, because in DaVinci Resolve it is super clean and more accurate in color than even clog 2? I'm editing on a 48" OLED and there is a big difference in colors with sRAW in a good way over clog 2. Both are great, but the 12bit in sRAW is able to be pushed so much more in Resolve. I do appreciate your perspective and I think the c400 will be much better for your needs.
Hi Jared, do you get the same artefacts that Michael gets in the video? (6:09, 6:26, 7:10). Thanks!
@@franreinaphoto I read your comment and didn't want to just answer your questions with opinion but actually look at footage I have shot with it over the last month and pixel peep. That being said I just spent an hour looking at sraw 60, sraw 24 and Clog 2 60fps so I can give you an honest perspective from another R5II. Michael is correct in what he is seeing. In 4k 60 sraw once you zoom in 2x or more you can see the artifacting, but it is not easy to notice it at 1x. 4k 60 clog 2 is much much much cleaner, but you lose some sharpness. To be fair clog2 60fps does give it more of a filmic look not being so digitally over sharpened and I like it. In sRAW 24fps the image is SO much cleaner than sraw 60, and if you zoom in you don't see the same artifacting as sraw 60. So far I prefer sRAW for its flexibility over clog2 in post, but clog 2 is amazing as well. The moral of the story is that for people like Michael the c400 or c80 is better suited. For a hybrid shooter like me and my business the r5 II is amazing. Hope that helps!
@@JaredHoyman Thank you for your response! 🙏🏼
@@JaredHoyman Thanks mate. Just got the mkII and this video made me panic a bit. I film underwater, so things are tricky enough! The main reason I upgraded was the colour grading in clog2, the increase in options in 4K and sound being recorded at 120fps. I'd be interested in your opinion on me starting with 4K60 in clog2? Thanks again.
You need the Canon R3 (same price as what you spent), super long battery life and no overheating, weatherproof for fishing.
Sounds like a great choice. Thanks
@ I have 2x R3 and it is an awesome camera, even the 1080p looks incredible. It is rumoured that the sensor in the C400 and C80 is this sensor tweaked. You don’t need 50 mega pixels for video. Even does 240fps in 1080p if you like super super slo-mo. I would give it a look,especially for your use case.
I just used the R5 II and it's a great camera. It's a big time upgrade.
Thanks for the feedback, I like hearing from other actual videographers vs TH-cam reviewers, and the amount of time you put into this video is appreciated. I have the R5II and will start doing my own testing in the next couple of days. I was aware before getting the R5II that the 4K60 is line skipped which is disappointing but wasn't a dealbreaker for me. TBH I have the C70 and IMO it is softer than anything I get out of the R5 and probably softer than anything I will get out of the R5II as well.
It doesn't bother me because you can always add post sharpness. The C70 footage gets incredibly sharp with a touch of post sharpening as does the R5 and I am pretty sure the R5II will be the same way. With the 4K60 SRAW, it is straight off the sensor so no denoising or sharpening has been applied to it, if you post sharpen the SRAW it will actually get much sharper than the C70 or R8.
Post sharpening is a standard step in editing both photos and videos, as long as the footage was shot with a good codec, at a good data rate, and the subject matter was in focus, post sharpening can make the image as soft or as sharp as you want. The R8 probably looks better right out of camera because it is probably applying some sort of in camera sharpening and denoising; the fact it is oversampling vs line skipping definitely helps as well but probably not as much as you would think.
Congrats on getting the C400, I am eyeing it as well, but most of my work is run and gun hybrid photo/video work so the R5II was a better fit for me. If the C70 wasn't so good I would consider replacing it with the C400. Looking forward to your thoughts on the C400.
Thank you for your comment. Best comment ive seen all day on this video. Yes I agree the C70 is a soft out of camera. But like you said I can always touch it up in post and it looks amazing. With the R5 2 I tried doing what I always do with the C70 and of course some other methods and it just looks nasty to me. I was using one of the highest Bit Rates it had in 4k 60. I have to say though maybe im just spoiled with the C70 image quality and im expecting the Canon R5 2 to match it.
I use the R8 and C70 together all the time and it matches very well with the C70.
Yes I use Raw quite a bit and know that I have to clean that footage up a little but when the SRAW totally changes the colors it just through me off lol. Regular Raw I can handle and fix it up nice and pretty. But SRAW just looks nasty to me.
Looking forward for when the C400 ships. Maybe that one can be the Full Frame version of the C70 lol. Maybe not though because of the DGO Sensor. Lol
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions I did quite a bit of testing today and it is official, I will never use SRAW out of the R5II, the color shift and chromatic aberration is not worth it in the R5II when shooting SRAW. The XF-HEVC S 4K fine @ 30FPS and XF-HEVC S 4K@60FPS looked much better than the SRAW. The SRAW also does something strange to the exposure, I couldn't tell if it was increasing the DR or just increasing the overall exposure, but the exposure changes when switching to it from one of the compressed options.
The good news for me at least is the 4K60FPS compressed looked sharper than the 4K30FPS Fine with a touch of post sharpening so it will work for my main needs. SRAW is so new it is possible that Davinci Resolve will need an update to properly read it, I have a hard time believing it is really as bad as it looked on my screen.
@@VUMEDIAGroup Hi, was reading your comment and I want to buy it for same Codec XF-HEVC S 4K@60FPS due to file sizes of SRAW, I was surprised to hear it was sharper, many people compared it side by side and I can see SRAW is definitely sharper than XF-HEVC S 4K@60FPS ... wondering is it because of new firmware? or early production units issue? really want to know this a bit more! could you also give any file size comparison over SRAW to HEVC! thanks🙌
Thank so much for sharing. It is needed honest reviews like this. Cheers!
The Canon 4k 60 sweet spot is the R6II . I use it for all day weddings, no overheating, no line skipped readout, full frame, ibis, smaller package… might be worth considering alongside the C70
Also, maybe it’s a video publish date timing issue, but the new C80 seems to be similar to the C400
Thanks for this comment.. I'd been all set to go out and get the R5mkii . But starting to think I'm way better off saving a tonne of money.. getting the R6mkii.. only thing I would have liked is a bit of 120fps option.. but otherwise the r6 does seem like the bang for buck option.. and maybe spending money on a new 70-200 l2.8 would bring about a better overall result! Edit: I've since read you can get 120 at 1080p.. I think that is quite usable anyway!
Really useful video thank you, think I’m going for the c80 but disappointed about no cfexpress slot in it..
Yeah i know. That is disappointing. But it is a great camera from what ive seen.
Maybe the bigger youtubers just haven't discovered this yet, but i haven't seen this in other reviews or previews so thank you.
Thanks for the insight! Are you planning on getting the C80 when it comes out?
Dude! Thank you for this. I shoot athletics and my primary camera is the c70. Only complaint with it was the softness of the 4K, but only an issue when cropping in for effects. I was excited to get a r5m2 hoping that it would keep the sharpness a little better when popping in, but NOPE! So glad I came across your video. Now it looks like I'm pinned to get the c80 once more reviews come out for it.
the answer is very simple, the R5II is a great camera for 12bit 8k60 raw and 10bit 8k30 & 4k30 fine because it uses ten ull sensor read out or supersampling. for me it's great to shoot 8k60 raw as in post I can do slow motions and can do digital paning and zooming in without loss of quality. all olther formates like 4k60, 4k120 and sraw a downsampled with line scipping / pixel binding which causes less details less sharpness an aliassing on contrasty lines. there is only one additional mode for 4k60 which gives you the full quality and this is the 4k60 cropped mode (S35 / aps-c) because then, the R5II supersamples the resulting 4k60 cropped image from the cropped appr 6k resolution. if you need a clean 4k60 or great 4k120 or the best low light camera, you should better use a 24MP cam like the R6II or R6 or for professional use the R3. thats the reason why I still have my R3 besite my new R5II, the R5II only for 8k60 raw and the R3 for low light conditions and 4k120
how long does it shoot in 8k RAW before overheating? 5 minutes? 10?
There is no recording to an external SSD, if it doesn't overheat, then it will run out of space
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@@Andrew_Nekrasov The R5II is the jack of all trades but master of none, a perfect swiss knife for hybride creatives, but not a full size video machine. That's what one should keep in mind. It's a 750 gramms 8k60 12bit raw machine which fits into your pocket, but it's not build for endless 8k raw recordings. It has multi formate options for every need, but not all formates are supersampled, some are downsampled with more ore less loss of quality. You should know what to do with this camera and Canon should better communicate their camera line up in terms of best specific user cases for every model. One more point here regarding the test from Michael Johnson, 4k sraw is definitlely not as worse as he described it, it's not as good as original 8k raw due to line scipping / pixel binding but is way better than the 4k 60/120 10bit formates.
@@Andrew_Nekrasov I have a 2 terrabyte CF-B card and the fan grip. I ran the R5ii shooting 8K/60 raw internally for 40 minutes before the batteries died. I also have an atomos external recorder and did 8k/30 raw over HDMI for more than two hours with supplement USB-C powering.
@@KeithSklower lol. cfexpress type b 2tb costs 700$ when ssd 2tb costs 100$
I am looking to get advice on either purchasing the R5 Mii or the r6 Mii. Sold my 5d Mark IV and 7D. Currently don't have a camera and shoot. I shoot events, but never had a mirrorless camera.
Shooting more than four weddings, each lasting over 15 hours, using three EOS R5 II cameras without battery grips-recording in 4K 60p outdoors and 4K 25p indoors with Log 2-has been no problem. Occasionally, the screen shows a 10-level overheating indicator, but it rarely goes beyond 2 notches. I even recorded non-stop for 3 hours, and it never exceeded 2 notches. The quality is incredible, even when downscaled from 8K.
Do you have the ‘Shutdown Warning’ setting turned OFF?
This video was not about overheating. Did you watch the video?
Canon R6ii owner here, you should send the R5ii back and get an R6ii. The R8 has the same sensor as the R6ii so you’ll have a great A and B cam. The R6ii is best in its class for IBIS and low-light high ISO situations. No issues with overheating and great battery life. It’s also great for stills with really good dynamic range. Absolute workhorse… I love canon but am not a loyalist, getting ready to buy an FX3 soon.
I'm considering getting a second R6ii. I really like it a lot.
I'm watching R5ii reviews to see what I'd be getting into. Especially the points not a lot of people mention.
I mainly want the R5ii to replace my EOS-R for wedding pictures. But hey I like shooting video occasionally too so I need to know how it reacts.
@@SamFigueroa I must say although I don't own an R5ii my R5 and R5C both wipe the floor with my R6ii; the R6ii is a far inferior image in my humble opinion..
I owned and shot probably 1200 GB every week since then. Here’s the short version. 4k60p line skipping a little better than the R5 mark 1. SRAW beautiful and sharp (not for everyone, he doesn’t understand raw clearly) cropped mode 4k60p very sharp oversampled from 5.1K I use it a lot actually. 4k120 looks identical to 60p. Not bad for social media, almost no one can’t tell the difference after TH-cam compression. 8k best in business. Overheating it’s better than before but still there in long shots mostly.
I do understand how raw works. I use it all the time. SRAW is terrible. The Cinema Raw light is amazing I use that every week.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions The R6II has the best 4k60HQ out of every camera and you can shoot 45 minutes straight before overheating and cost $1999. I have that one and the OG R5. I was disappointed the 4k60 was lined skipped. The new R5ii battery gives the R5c 30 minutes more recording time and the 4k60 on that camera is great.
@@presise1620yea, nothing is beating the r6m2 for a long time. But honestly, the photo mode on R6m2 is great as well. Almost as good as r5.
@BoatZone I agree!
@presise1620 I have the r5c and it all around beats the other EOS brothers except the new c400 and c80 ofcourse.
Oversampled 8K in every 4k codec! And can shoot 4K 120 in XF-AVC ALL INTRA! With it on sale now for $3600 from its original $4300 price.. it is the best price cinema pro 8K camera under $4K.
Watch my review I just posted.
You just saved me $$$$ ... as I was considering this camera. I shoot mainly video & I was surprised by the R8 video. It looks Great!
This is an honest and excellent review. Thanks very much for your thoughts. Since I’m primarily a 4k60 content creator, I will absolutely steer clear of this camera. The non over sampled, line skipped pixel binned footage would be unusable to me. Perhaps we’ll have better luck with the R5 mkiii(?).
I got it for photos and could not be more pleased. But understand your take on video. Fingers crossed for firmware updates!
To just to let you know, I have the r5c which does over sample in all modes with zero overheating.
With the new battery in the r5c it greatly increases the run time of the canon r5c.
I got over an hour and a half run time on one lpe6p battery.
I know you already got this camera but if you can return it maybe try the r5c
As im sure you seen in the video. I already sent the R5 2 back and purchasing the C400. I do appreciate the recommendation though.
That is insane for some reason I thought the R5C did the same as the R5 2 but after reading your comment I looked it up and seen that you are correct. Freaking amazing.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions oh ok, some how I missed that lol.
You will have to let us know how the c400 is.
It sounds like it’s gonna be a good one.
I will be making a video on it when I get it. Thanks
The c80 just released bro .. c400 might be a little overkill tbh
@@SteveBitanga C80 is worst in DR fornt than C70, alas.
good video. i never heard about this and thought they fixed the overheating problem.
Finally, a non TH-camr doing real life shit that’s giving unbiased opinion. This is so refreshing. Thank you.
Silly advice.
@The_Idea_of_Dream_Vision if I spent 4500 I'll lie to myself about it being great too
He’s a TH-camr. Legit making videos on TH-cam. What about this video means he’s “unbiased” ?
@@JJohnson313lol, ok, let’s go down the path of common sense for a bit. What does he stand to lose by not recommending the camera? What does he already have ( kit wise ) what is his real world use of cameras outside of TH-cam? Lastly, what did he say he was going to pick up after returning the R5II? He’s picking up a camera that’s twice the MSRP next. If anything, by argument he stands to spend more money.
I said “non TH-camr” because TH-camrs live in the shadow of sponsorships and promoting affiliates, which means, they will always speak In a way to appease said circumstances.
@The_Idea_of_Dream_Vision so many people are doing that in the comments lol. It's driving me crazy. It's like they never seen good footage before.
*R5C* is way better in most situation ^^ And don't overheat, and cost less money.
I was a little bit desapointed that it can't handle 8K60 with the integrated battery, cause with the dual fisheye lens, and external USB Power bank, it's kinda "Big" in hands. But it's not my main using case.
So I finnaly deal with it, and bought a second one, for multiple plan with same colors.
Both R5 and R52 use no FF oversampling algorithm on 4Kp60 because of the limited ability of the inside SOC and the unsolved heat dissipation issues. That's the main reason why the footage under 4Kp60 of R52 is soft, which has been the same issue on its predecessor.
Thanks for sharing and making the great video.
So your telling me don’t buy this camera for my plane spotting/airshow videography? 😳
So I just wanna buy a camera exclusively for photos. I’ve been looking at this one because I will not use it for video since I have the FX3. But would it overheat taking photos as well?
No it's perfect for photos.
I do plan on getting the R5 Mk II primarily for photography and leave the videography to my DJI Osmo Pocket 3. I have been in dire need of replacing my old Sony Alpha A65.
I know 4k60p is line skipped on the R5II, but do you think you may have gotten a bad R5II? My R6II was so bad that Canon ended up replacing it for me. At the same time, I won't be surprised because my R5 4k60p is very soft, and it is line skipped as in R5II. It is a shame that Canon didn't improve on it.
What do you think about the C80 coming out now? Will you still get the C400 instead of the C80 and if yes, why?
Thanks bro I'm definitely buy a canon r6 ii for 4k 60fps 😅 or canon r5c
ha ha, yeah I find I almost never shoot 60fps, its either 30, 24 or 120 and so far so good with the R5 II for me.
Is there any chance there will be a firmware update to give us 4k60 down sampled?
Did you try 4K 60 crop mode, which is over sampled from 5K and what about 4K 120 FPS?
Thank you so much for this honest impression. The totally cured me from the idea to replace my regular R5 by the new model. Guess I have to wait until R6 III or R5C II will be launched.
Great video and I agree. Canon needs to give us an R5CII! The R5C has great 4k60p we just need the other updates that the R5II got.
The C70 is a POWERHOUSE. I also have the R52. Canon needs to bring out some strong firmware updates to update the video
That’s for sure
R5C Mark II is good for photos and short quick videos. Getting the C400 or C80 is a good choice for video.
Agreed
Let's not forget Canon R6! I only shoot in 60fps for B-roll. No need for that when people talk.. so be intentional with filming and you should be fine. Buy a 2nd camera as a backup with the low price it's selling at. Just a thought.
I don't have a problem with it. Shot a 5 hour wedding just fine
If you are talking about 4k 60fps unfortunately I have a bad feeling that you havent seen actual good sharp footage before out of a good shooting camera. If you're talking about 4k 30 I can agree it shoots some good footage.
Why would u shoot 5 hrs in 60fps ??!
@@The_Idea_of_Dream_Vision To have ability to slow down some parts. It's common to shoot weddings at 50/60p and deliver in 25/30p.
@@wikrap1 not for long hours. you can have specific moments you want to be slowed down. And you have 4k 120 4k60 fhd 60 and 240p 8k 60
For run and gun scenarios if I’m shooting any movement that I might want to be slowed down, I can’t risk shooting in 30 has to be 60. You never know what will happen and changing settings means you could miss the shot if something spontaneous happens. And I could imagine fishing is completely like that. I do 10 hours long weddings and random stuff always happens lol.
I suspected this is the case so thanks for your honesty. This is not a professional video camera. It is a consumer camera for video enthusiasts. You need active cooling to run 4K60p. R5C is the answer. It never overheated on me. Not even close. And I shoot outdoors in the summer in North Carolina. I also owned R8s and those overheated like nobody's business.
Yes as im sure you seen in my video. I use the C70 for all of my video work. I was showing the R8 as an example. I live and shoot in Florida. It is the hottest here lol. And the C70 handles it fine. This video was not about the over heating problem. It was about how bad the footage looks in 4k 60. As Im sure you seen in the video. I sent the R5 2 back and purchased the C400. Cant wait for that camera to be shipped.
I keep coming back to this video, I also hate my r5ii.... overheats, potato 4k50, the ibis jitters at all focal lengths is awful also. Im trying to get my money back but I have it 5 weeks now so im stuck with the heap of absolute crap
Yeah it’s unfortunate. So happy I was able to return mine. Try and sell it. You should be able to get most of your money back.
ok so you helped me out big time. Was looking for a camera for stills but primarely video.
Sounds like you're pretty much a videophotographer. Did you not know the 4K 60 wasn't oversampled when you bought it? If your primary use for a camera is mainly video, why would you even buy a hybrid like this? I'm a stills photographer that shoots mainly wildlife and that would be like me buying an R5C for my stills photography because once in while I might shoot some video clips. I think your choice for C400 was great one, from reviews I have seen I think you're going to love it. I personally never understood the whole 8K video thing myself, from most of hybrid camera reviews I have seen 24MP Hybrid seem to be the sweet shot for downsampled 4K footage, don't have overheating issues, much smaller files, etc. I do agree with your assessment of Canon's marketing, because they hype up the video features so much and not the what this camera really excels at which is fast action stills photography. The stills photography is nothing short of amazing, that shoots some really good video too. Hope you like you new C400.
The R5C is actually just as good as the R5 for stills. All the Canon's overheat except the R5C and others in the cine lineup. The problem is Canon has too have trade offs like line skipping when the R3 does not have it. So, you get the updated R5 II for video and you have issues again..
Just because it’s over sampled does not mean that the images will be soft… Canon does a poor job with compression here. The Sonys that are lines skipped are much better as to sharpness, detail, and noise.
@@angelislandcreativestudios2875 Which Sony's are linked skipped?
@@contentm3893 They make many cameras, you'll have to look that up yourself.
@@angelislandcreativestudios2875 I don't want to look. You seem to know a lot right? If you compare Canon to Sony be specific.
Thanks for your honest review ,pls advice is canon r5c good for video and photo ?
I shoot video and stills. Do you think it’s worth sticking with the R5C over the R5ii?
thank you so much for this video. I own that camera and have been very frustrated with it for video. It won’t even let you record in 60P on any format if you have the hand grip attached to it. 🤔
Canon just announced C80 makes sense why they crippled R5 mark II
Wow I just got the R5II too lmao.
I’ll definitely test its 4k60 capabilities but I’m hoping it’s not as bad as you say.
I have the R6II which shares the same sensor as the R8, and you’re right, it’s 4k60p is immaculate. I just wish it had clog2 😢
If it ends up being crappy 4k60 i might return my r5ii 😅
Unfortunately it is very bad 4k 60. Did you purchase with B&H? If so your covered and have nothing to worry about within 30 days
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions I did Amazon which usually accepts returns.
I'll likely return it and save up for the c80 which is what I wanted more anyways haha.
Cheers Michael!
Hey there, saw a couple of your videos and got an R8 for a B camera for my C300 Mark lll. I did see the overheating initially but then I got the small rig vmount, plate and a Kondor blue usb c with the converter built in and turned on Airplane mode. Last weekend ran both cameras at an event Morning session was about close to 2 hours and the afternoon session was an hour and a half. R8 filmed 4K 24 the entire time without overheating. 4K 60 for b-roll last week in Florida heat and humidity didn’t overheat. I also shot both times in the smaller file format. Hope that helps thanks for the videos.
The 4k SRAW on this thing also has a really weird funky noise pattern(with both vertical and horizontal short strip/lines) which cannot be removed AT ALL even with the strongest noise reduction settings in post.
I know that's what I tried to say in my video but people not trying to listen lol
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions LOL, People only believe what they want to hear, I guess. I was curious if the R5ii could be my new do-it-all camera until I downloaded some actual footage to play with. I was like, YUCK. Nope.
Great info in this video. Thanks.
Great camera review, it almost made me return it however I’m not a big videographer. Actually what took me by surprise is that the battery grip with the fan does not have vertical shooting capabilities. I thought that this grip was the best overall choice. I’m glad your footage showed the rear of the camera as I haven’t found any out there showing the whole thing. I guess I’m just buying the non-fan grip to be able to have the necessary buttons when I shoot vertically. Thanks!
Real review, no influencer talk.
Did you use a gimbal at all when shooting? The clips look very stabilised.
1. Your Side by Side comparison at 4:33, are you using the Same Lense OR Same Lense and Adapter (RF to EF)?
2. RAW will not look good straight out of camera, shooting RAW you are expected to Color Correct and then Color Grade your footage (Hopefully people use the right Color Gamut and Color Space), it is not meant to be used straight out of camera.
3. As for your argument about 8k File Size at 5:40, I use 8K RAW for my commercial shoot 25% of the time for the flexibility in Post for the shoots that will require me zoom in and add Motion Graphics, then I have 2 outcomes, "First Outcome" I have it Archived for 45 Days after completing the project for the client, then send the full folder to the client (RAW, Davinci Timeline, Finals) then Delete and keep Finals. "Second Outcome" I keep either the RAW or Downsize to 4k or 1080p Resolutions of the footage from clients to be used for the Future.
1. Same camera same lens same everything. 24-70 RF 2.8. Only difference was 4k 30 and 4k 60 as I said in the video.
2. I never said in the video it should look great straight out of camera. I just said it looks amazing. And yes I am aware that you have to color correct then color grade. Most people that are interested in a camera like this are aware of that. It's almost like you are commenting on the wrong video. Either that or I didn't explain myself clearly in the video. Which is possible I guess.
3. Yes I am aware on how raw can be beneficial I use it all the time on my C70. It's not 8k Raw but it's simply amazing. My argument was the time wasted in waiting for the camera to cool down and waiting for your computer to downsize or render the 16 hours of footage for a single day. With two camera's shooting all day. If you have the privilege of shooting short clips. That is amazing. I'm happy for you. There is a reason cinema camera's have fans in them. It's for people that shoot all day in the hot sun shooting really high formats. Like myself. The Canon R5 One or Two would not last 5 minutes in the heat. Trust me I tried it.
And like I said if you have the time to downsize your footage then good for you but my time is spent trying to get things done. It just dont make since for the type of shooting I do. I understand small projects of course that would work but not long days with multiple camera's running.
I do appreciate your comment.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions So the fan grip didn't do anything to cool it down? What settings did you use on the fan grip?
@@whiterock1865 You can go check Geraldundone, he showed the time limit for all codec with and without fan grip
The video was not about the camera over heating. It was about how bad the 4k 60 is. When I mentioned the overheating was when I was talking about 8k 60. The fan only gives you about 7 extra minutes. I live in Florida and the times are actually lower than that. As I stated in the video. I shoot on a boat most of the day. The sun is beaming. So that's another reason why I love the C70 so much.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions I get it, but you brought up an interesting point because you kept mentioning overheating as well so that’s why I was inquiring more about that. Well, hopefully this is something that canon can do something about.
Unbiased and fantastic review.
Nice to watch this video before i order my R5 ii. Thank you i will little bit more for buying 🤘
yes you are right about 4k 60p, but rest of that, this camera is beast, with clog2, its scary close to c70, can shoot 8k raw, and its a photo camera too, so only downside is 4k 60, maybe they can fix it with firmware
IF 4k60 is the most important codec for you as a professional and you can't make the 4k sRAW mode work for you (I've had great results), then you're better off with a c70/FX3. The image out of this camera is rather insane and cinematic for its price point, and it's truly a king of the hybrids. Gerald Undone very accurately sums up its strengths and weaknesses. But you are right, the base 4k60 isn't as great as other models.
Yeah as im sure you seen in my video I use the C70 already. Ive owned that camera for about 4 years now. Freaking love it.
I think this just sold me on getting the Nikon z8 instead of the r5 mkii
Too late mate, I bought it, happy.
Glad you are happy. Just dont use the 4k 60
It is frustrating how very few major camera reviewers have mentioned about subsampled 4K60. Although I either use 25P or 100P but I understand 50/60P are critical for most of video users. And people always recommend A7Siii FX3 when it comes to video. Well in most cases they are probably OK, but after 4 years they are aging and lack a lot of features that others have, e.g. lower resolution, no animal autofocus, soft 4K120 and no pre-roll. Videography is just as vast, if not vaster, use case as photography. Recommendation should be use case centric and bespoke. Thanks for the great review BTW.
I knew the non oversampling would be a problem for a lot of people. Canon R5C is better option
At the 5:50 mark the cars were jumpy. Did you switch to 180 manually?
Honest opinions. All good. I have a C400 coming. I was thinking R52 as a second camera and get rid of 2 C70's. Maybe not now. Thanks. C70 rocks!
You are shooting with your lens set at f/22. You should use ND filters on the lens instead. You will find decreased sharpness on your lens past f/11. f/9 to f/11 is sweet spot. If you can get your f/stop even lower you can get a nicer blurry background to create a higher quality cinematic look. Best of luck on your future shoots!
When did I ever shoot at f22? The only time I would ever do that is when im running an over heating test or something lol. Never in my life would I do that.
And that would be only because I didn't feel like putting an ND on it. No reason too. I shoot with the C70. Has built in ND's. When I shoot with the R8 or anything else I always use ND's. Not sure what you are talking about unfortunately. I would never do that unless it's for something that wouldn't matter. Like if im going to delete the footage right after.
Good call out. I’m sure Canon is listening and I bet an update is coming 🤷🏽♂️😅
I use the Canon R5ii and I find the focus sharper than my R5. Call Canon and see what you are doing wrong. You might have a setting off. Also, use a 2tb card...
Not doing anything wrong. The camera just does not shoot good 4k 60. As I’m sure you seen in the video. I’ve already sent the camera back and purchased the c400
I always use a second card. Reason I didn’t have one in the video is because I was sending the camera back.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductionsYes you are correct,it was common knowledge months ago on canon USA comments , do your homework before you buy a camera . The c 400 is not weather sealed be careful using on a boat !
@@jamesparsons2676 Canon doesn't even have all the specs about the r5 II on the website. They have been shady about this camera since day one.
Thanks for your honesty. Sticking to my r5! Probably will consider r5c ii.
I shot all day in Fl outside about 90 degrees in 4K 60…yes I had to turn on the cooling fan after an about an hour..it was awesome and didn’t overheat to where it could not be used.
This video wasn't about the over heating. It was about how the footage looks terrible in 4k 60
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions I also come from the R8…and it does shoot great footage…it just over heats so quickly…but truthfully I can’t tell much difference in the footage. But I also did some shooting in 120 FPS. And I really didn’t like the way that footage looked.
I didn’t come from the R8 I come from the canon c70 so honestly that could be it as well. I’m spoiled with that camera footage. It’s amazing. The r8 I was just using as an example. I use the r8 very little
If you want a crisp 4K 60 on R52 you can shoot in SRAW and it’s similar to oversampled, is 12 bit, great dynamic range and its only 700mbs.
On weddings I shoot in 24p all day and only use 60p for intentional slomo stuff like dancing and portraits.
Yeah as I stated in my video. If you are recommending using sraw you never used sraw. It’s terrible footage. Honestly if you shot with sraw and thought it looked good. I question your judgment. But you probably haven’t used it yet.
And yes for wedding shoots you have that privilege of picking and choosing. I do appreciate your comment.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions Have you seen James Reader’s video? It seems like the 4K SRAW 50p is indeed a lot more crisp than the standard 4K50p. th-cam.com/video/uDlLNRn9o1E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=03UO16AuHWdJpmZn
I did note that the SRAW has a different colour cast when testing myself, but I think that’s down to the standard’s post processing.
SRAW undoubtedly looks better, I am not sure how you came to the conclusion that it was bad?
Again though, its not all about absolute crispy video, CLOG2 provides the R52 with a much nicer falloff in the highlights and shadows in my testing than CLOG3 in R5C. I think they could release a firmware update that does oversampled 4K in 50p for the R52 tbh and then there’d be no question.
Also at 3:38 I don’t know how you deliver your footage, but watching on TH-cam I honestly can’t tell the difference. Zooming 400% with original files obviously I can.
Shooting in daylight, you’d get much nicer highlights, its not all about low light performance.
I owned and shot probably 1200 GB every week since then. Here’s the short version. 4k60p line skipping a little better than the R5 mark 1. SRAW beautiful and sharp (not for everyone, he doesn’t understand raw clearly) cropped mode 4k60p very sharp oversampled from 5.1K I use it a lot actually. 4k120 looks identical to 60p. Not bad for social media, almost no one can’t tell the difference after TH-cam compression. 8k best in business. Overheating it’s better than before but still there in long shots mostly.
I do understand how raw works. I use it all the time. SRAW is terrible. The Cinema Raw light is amazing I use that every week. I get sharpness is not everything. Trust me I use the canon C70 which shoots softer footage. But the R52 the footage just looks terrible. I guess youtube failed at showing the difference in footage from the C70. I guess everyone would love to justify their purchase decision. I get it. And it's a big possibly that im spoiled with the image quality the C70 gives me and expecting that from the R52
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions Here's another well presented comparison between R52 and C70. R52 looks very favourable in SRAW.
Honestly you could've looked that up before buying. I shoot mostly 4k60 with my R5C no problem, sounds like that would be the better camera for you.
thanks for the honest review.👍🏻
You can shoot 4k RAW 60fps, this is really sharp.
The SRAW is pretty bad in this camera if you watch the video. I show a couple of examples of that. :)
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions I own it and I like the sRAW in the camera, but I prefer 8K-RAW-LT 60fps.
Yes the 8k raw is amazing I agree
I use the SRaw 4K 60 and it looks incredible. I use it over my 6K RED camera
More megapixels in low light gives you more noise overall, not less. Thats why Sony “s” sensors are like 9 megapixels for low light.
Well Nikon dropped the price on the red, so its actually cheaper and better than the canon c400...go figure. Yeah that is a dumb omission on canon's part, but that might be something they could fix with firmware...I mean if it can do 8kp60 albeit in raw, why the hell not oversampled 4kp60...can't be a horsepower problem. So the fan did keep the 4kp60 going? Its just the line skipping bs that makes it soft and therefore unusable for you? I've used mine with regular grip on two outside texas days (99-101 F), all 120fps HEVC 4:2:0 10-bit and it worked great capturing b-roll clips (was not recording it continuously, and had about 66% time in shade). So capturing short clips to show the festivities/activities for some fundraiser videos. I did see two bars appear outside after running it for about 4 minutes, but literally as soon as I stopped recording the bars dropped to zero. Another gentleman, I believe in South Texas ended up returning his, coz he was driving around in the heat windows down and left it on the seat on and came back and it was bricked by overheating. The sun is POWERFUL here in texas but that made him not trust it. So far so good for my use which is also photography....love being able to run it 100% electronic shutter with no penalty I've been able to visualize! Have the fan grip on order though and I think I'll test it with 8Kp30 to record a long form stage show just to see how it does, using HEVC 8K UHD long gop to keep bitrates lower. The only reason I could justify the upgrade/price was the "improved" video features making it more usable than the R5 mk I.
I own a Komodo-X. My particular niche is recording classical music concerts in often poorly lit churches where have no control over the lighting, where it would be nice to get the brilliantly let stained glass windows (but not essential). I can tell you that the K-X is significantly noisier at iso 4000 than the R5C, (Or lumix S series cameras). and I have no doubt that the canon C400 (having a 3rd base iso) would be better for my application than the K-x.
I’d say the R6ii is better for hybrid work, might not have 8k but it wont overheat
I agree with you. Ive shot with the R6ii and it had some great footage. Another reason why I was so confused.
That’s also what I wanted to say. R6II might be a better option if you don’t require 4k120. It has pre-roll which no other camera has in this price range.
To be fair most full frame cameras overheat when shooting 4k 60p. This is a feature unique to Canon unless its a full frame camera with a 1:1 4k resolution sensor like the Sony A7S III. This is why all other full frame cameras have to crop to APSC mode when shooting 4k 60.
The R5 is a unique camera that pushes the limits of full frame technology. Full frame can barely manage 4k and yet Canon has made 8k work. For those that want that level of detail its there. For those that rarely want or shoot slow motion the tradeoff is there to prefer fine detail and better quality options for recording formats like raw. The R5 is a borderline cinema camera and some sacrifices have to be made for other types of video production to be better optimized for more narrative types of production.
Its important to use the best tools for the job. I own a R6 and a R5. Owned the R6 first and yes its a better 60p camera. Its a better videography camera which is why I keep it. I feel like I have the best of both worlds at my disposal now. Great 60p from the R6 when the type of project makes more sense to go that route. Great 8k raw using c-log2 for a lot of color flexibility later.
The R5 is not a bad camera at all and in fact the mk2 is an absolutely amazing video camera. It depends on the types of video each person shoots which is why we have the choices out there.
Fun tip but much like other full frame cameras that shoot 4k 60p at APSC crop the R5 can do the same and it eliminates overheating. Since the sensor is 8k a APSC crop is still 5.1k oversampled to 4k video. The R5 can over sample when cropped since the sensor is reading out a lot less pixels. So it manages 4k 60 over sampled from 5.1k and looks great. Its a APSC crop but its the clean 4k 60p I think many were hoping for.
Over sampling takes processing cycles and the 8k sensor is already a ton of pixels to read from the sensor. The R5C can handle it due to a much larger fan and colling system built into the camera.
I will say that outside of the 4k 60p aspect the R5 is superior to the R6 in almost every other possible way. I rarely shoot slow motion or 60p real life video anymore so its not as much of a concern for me. If I do have to shoot a long form type project I either use the R6 or use the R5 in crop mode.
Not the FX3 :)
@@papsny you are correct because it’s another full frame sensor like the A7S III that has just enough pixels for 4K video. No over sampling at all. That is also a trade off. Some may feel a 4K sensor should only have 4k resolution but even many cinema cameras now over sample to 5k, 6k or larger. Ironically one of the best cameras on the planet the Alexa was only really a 2.8k sensor so really is a 1:1 4k sensor all that bad?
I love my R5 but I also love my R6 and I personally so feel like 6k should be the limit of 4k sensors. I would like it if Canon made the R5 6k instead of 8k. I would like to see a 4k option as well like the FX3.
Sadly those are niche cameras that have almost zero appeal to photographers.
@@digitaldevigner4080 Nikon Z8 or Z6 III can do oversampled FF 4K 60 fps, Leica cameras have FF oversampled 4K 60 fps, Sony a9 III has oversampled 4K 60 fps, Fujifilm GFX 100 II - probably same thing.
So, only Panasonic and Pentax doesn’t offer that, but Panasonic has FF 4K 60 fps (1.1 crop) in LUMIX S1R. It’s not oversampled, but it’s sharp and it never overheats.
So, this feature is great in Canon cameras, but not super unique. I didn’t check even Blackmagic 6K or Z Cam 6K with full frame sensors. A lot of choices.
@@digitaldevigner4080 The Nikon Z6III does oversampled 4k 60fps and crop 4k 120, it also does 6k raw and 5.4k pro res (but honestly who even shoots in pro res)
I have the R5 Mark II and the video lasts long and awesome! Not sure why you are having the problem
the video quality 4K/60 is disgusting.have fun with your trashcam
Sounds like you need the fx3 ! But you need a monitor because you can't see the screen on a bright day 😂
Yeah the fx3 is nice. As I said in my video I sent the r5 2 back and purchased the C400. Waiting on that camera to ship.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions the C400 looks amazing... I shoot sony, so I'm just waiting to see what the next move it by them... I think they should combine the fx3 and fx6 into the fx5 lol basically make it the size of a c70 ... internal NDs, I'd be ok with 4k in all the frame rates down sampled off a 6k sensor ... stacked sensor (rolling shutter) fine )for the fastest readouts .. I'd like to see the triple base iso with the option of turning off internal noise reduction off ..Sony also needs to give us a legit LCD ! The fx3 is LCD is absolutely trash on a bright day ... I'm forced to use a monitor when I don't want to lug one around .. If Sony doesn't knock it out of the park I'm probably gonna go for the c400 to be honest
@@alansarpy The good news is that sony makes a camera with internal ND's, and IBIS, capable of 8K raw like the R5(C,ii), and uses full size CF-Express B cards and industry standard batteries. The bad news is that it costs $25,000.
Do you think canon can add 4k fine 60fps -120fps in firmware update?
I really hope they do and can for the people that are stuck with the camera. I will say this. When I purchased the C70 4 years ago it was a good camera but not a great camera. With some firmware updates they made it an amazing camera.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions good thing for you to return R5ii now canon just release C80 might work better for you.
Really good to know. I wonder if they can fix it with a firmware update later. Until then I’ll stay away.
They should just eliminate video from photo cameras and put effort in making it great for photos. For video there should be Cxx. I hate paying premium for features I use 5% of time and I don't care if video isn't sharp. Colors are most important aspect for me.
Why didn't you buy the C80?
Because when I made this video the c80 wasn’t released yet.
With all due respect, I don’t know who you’ve been watching that hasn’t been talking about this. Every video I’ve watched has talked about this specific thing being the worst thing about the R5II.
I’m in the market for an R5II and I have an R5C so if you wanna trade let me know 🤣
I’ve always struggled to understand why 60fps is so popular anyway. Unless your output is 60fps, using it in a 24 timeline you have the wrong shutter angle and then for actual slow motion, I don’t know why you wouldn’t take the time to switch to 120. I’m not trying to hate or anything, I genuinely just don’t get it. Maybe I’m missing something?
Yeah other people do talk about it but they need to actually tell people this camera is not usable at all for footage in 4k 60. The footage is that bad to me.
As Im sure you seen in my video. I sent the R5m2 back and purchased the C400
oh yeah you are definitely missing something.
I thought I explained this in the video but maybe not. So I deliver all the tv shows I shoot and edit for to broadcast. Discovery NBC Sports. Bally. There specs require a timeline of 29.97. So having the camera in 60 gives me the ability to slow shots down if I want incase a fish jumps out of the water or something cool happens. I think if you rewatch the video I do explain it.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions yeah it did look bad I must say. I also understand that you’ve had the camera for a while already clearly and you had to wait for a preorder so likely when you first bought it, there wasn’t as many videos about it as there is now.
Yeah that is a true statement as well
You should have tried 4K 60p standard intra with AVCS because it's very detailed. This gives you very high data rates and has more detail. You seems to like over sharpened digital looking footage. You also didn't give the R5 II a chance to see what it can do.
What program did u use to grade the c70 in those ocean scenes in the very beginning? What luts ?
Hi, did you try to report the issue to Canon?
I called B&H and let them know that I'm having the same issue.
The guys from Canon tech support are clueless. They said the camera has not been long enough for them to know about the issue.
Nobody knows if it can or will be fixed in a future update. The camera is so heavily marketed for video, that it shouldn't have this problem. It's not an issue with R5C or R6mii. Why would they cripple it?
Only 2 options left for now. Return it or bet 5k that it may be fixed later...
Unfortunately I dont think they will fix it later. I returned mine and have the C400 on the way. Yes the R6mii can do it because it over samples from 6k not 8k. Still a lame excuse but that is the reason. R5C can do it because that is actually a good camera lol.
That's what I was afraid of. I understand to make something better on top of what was already good, otherwise it defies the purpose.
There is another thing that nobody mentioned and I found missing.
For stills, R6ii could do a multi frame noise reduction jpeg, combining 4 shots. I could not find this option in the new R5ii.
What about 4k120? I didn't have a chance to test that.
It's the same as the 4k 120. Not that great at all.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions So 4K 120fps is line skipped? If so that sucks and makes this a no go for me. I know you have the C400 coming but if you get to try the R3 you will love it. Great AF and all oversampled. The dynamic range on the R3 beats the R5C and is close to the C70 dynamic range.
its pixel binning mate from the sensor. the Sonys do this too dependant on crop modes.
ur 4K fine footage is so crispy cos its down sampling from a much higher resolution. The high framerate 4K options are only using 4K of the data. technical limitation of every hybrid camera. this is why we have cinema cameras.
Thanks a lot
Happy to help.
I like mine. Works great but if u need a dedicated video mode cam. Fx3 c70 R5c would have been good choices
Yes as you seen If you watched the video. I own the Canon C70 and been using it for 4 years and the Canon C400 is on the way. So this is why I am so frustrated with the image quality on the R5 2 because I know what looks good. The Canon R5 mark II just sucks for any real video work. Totally get the appeal for photos though.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions ditto I have the c400 coming as well. The R5MK2 is a great b/c cam and a quick run and gun. I wish the c70 sensor was a priority to canon. The Dgo tech is so amazing. A full frame version would have been nice
Ive been saying this for a long time. A Full Frame version of the C70 sensor would shut the camera market down lol. Everyone would have that camera and no other camera lol
I got my R5ii on release day and truthfully this is a very strange video to me… i have no problem with the 4k60 that i use, and I shoot primarily sports…
Everyone has the right to their own opinion though
Not being rude at all when I ask this but what camera have you used before this one?
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions 5DIV, R, RP, R8, R6ii, R5, A7SIII and the RED Komodo. I totally get you! I'm sorry if my initial comment came off as rude I was probably tired when I typed that out
Canon R5 Mark II is unable to shoot 400MP high-resolution IBIS anymore as the R5 Mark I did. WHY CANON IS BLOCKING THE BEST FEATURE OF THEIR R-LINE???
Bought and returned the R5Mk2 for similar reasons you mentioned. Just was not it for a main video cam.
Haha, I've had 2 C70's since 2020 and they are really soft in 4K. The R5 II is a good B or C cam, I haven't been able to make it overheat shooting all day Jeeping.
Yeah I wasnt able to make it over heat either. Didnt have it long enough. I live in Florida so im sure it would have in time. The difference with the c70 footage is I can sharpen it and it look good. The R5 Mark ii looks terrible when you add a little sharpening.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions I don't like sharpened footage, it looks digital. Tested the R5 II extensively; the SRAW Light is worthless, but the standard isn't too bad. It is just as sharp as 4K Fine. You will have to run some chromatic aberration correction in resolve once in awhile in SRAW which is the only downside. The biggest reason I will always shoot primarily on a real cinema camera is the internal ND's, XLR and I have noticed that the color science is always worse on the consumer cameras, even the R5C vs my C70.
I don't sharpen enough for it to look digital. I suppose I have to say that. Cinema footage don't break apart and look digital when you sharpen like it does on R5II. That was my point. Like I said before and I'll say it again. I think i'm just spoiled with the C70 and looking for that type of footage out of the r5ii. Luckily I was able to send back no problems and have the c400 coming. I tested SRAW a lot. In light and Standard and I noticed it wasn't dependable and would put you in a bad situation if you are working for a client. I wont use a format that is not bullet proof. I haven't lost a client and don't want to start. SRAW is not even close to dependable. The regular RAW out of that camera is amazing though.
@@TJIzzy What's your real cinema camera?
@@contentm3893 Anything not a hybrid cam. C500 ii, C70, RED Raptor etc
I'd just shoot in 8k, but I'm getting it for taking pictures.
Here are my 2 cents about the R5 ii. They are a shit load of TH-cam influencer telling everybody wow the R5 ii are the work horse bla bla. For the photography sure it is no doubt is a better and faster camera. For video, it is NOT the camera for video, like the R5C. The biggest problem I have about the R5 ii is overheating and pixel bin in 4K 60P. You are buying a $4300 with tax, which is about $4500 camera, and you get overheating is unacceptable to me. This is why I am buying a R5C instead of the R5 ii. R5 ii cooling grip is a mimick. Canon should have made thecR5 ii like R5C with built-in cooling fan and over sample video on ALL Mode. But somehow, Canon always finds a way to screw its customers.
I agree my friend. I agree. It was so disappointing when I went out and shot 4k 60 lol
Yesterday, I returned my r5 ii because of the wobble at 24mm. Sticking with the FX3.
Between stills and video, its a sacrifice between one or the other, you can’t have both without sacrificing something, you’d have to lineskip, crop or downsample. Most photographers don’t understand the caveats of rolling shutter sensor design, also cramming all that data into a mirrorless body.
It might not be the camera for someone with exclusive video needs such as yourself but it surely is a very capable video camera. Overheating is a problem that cameras in this price range and form factor are bound to have, there is simply no space in the design for the heat to dissipate, but the performance of the R5 II is very solid with very good video quality in terms of DR, rolling shutter and customisability. No brand has been able to create a hybrid camera which doesn't overheat in 4K 60p or higher frame rates at this price point. Yes the lack of oversampled 4K 60p is a surprising omission and Canon's insistence to stick to an archaic system for white balance evaluation is a bummer but overall this is a much better camera than most models in this price range. Btw, the oversampled 4K 30p never overheats unless you are shooting directly on a hot day in direct sunlight (even then you can record for more than an hour) and the 4K 60p goes on for over an hour, the 4k 120p can go for 19 mins and the cropped 4K 60p is oversampled and has a 80 min run time without any overheating. These are pretty good numbers in line with all other brands at this price point, and the addition of the fan significantly extends these run times by atleast 40 percent and in some cases more except the 4K 120p which receives a modest increase in run time (from 19 min to about 25 mins). I don't know where you got this information from but it sure as hell ain't correct. Gerald Undone has broken down the model very well, so have others. If it isn't the camera for you, it's okay but don't go around spreading inaccuracies.
I hear yeah but as I explained and showed in the video. I am on a boat in direct sunlight for 12 hour days. The point of the video had nothing to do with the overheating though. It had all to do with how bad the image quality is in 4k 60. Looks terrible from what Im used to.
What are you using with the R8 and how are you color grading? That footage looks amazing. I assume you definitely use an ND filter. Which one? And which lenses?
did you think about the C80? its full frame now
or the incoming lumix S1hii wich you can adapt the lenses to it