I think we can respectfully agree to disagree. I did watch the video to the end and I understand your points. 4k 60 is softer than R6 II, which I own both. I understand that you are mostly video so this camera may have not been the best choice for the money as well and I think the c400 or c80 would be better for your needs. I've been testing the R5 II like crazy since release day and read through the 1200 plus page online manual to make sure my findings were correct. Where I disagree is your conclusion on sRAW. sRAW 60 is so sharp and has much more detail than clog 2 4k 60. I did a few videos on it on my channel, but from what the manual says about sRAW on all FPS it is oversampled. I reached out earlier today to the Canon Cinema Rep and they couldn't conclude if it is or isn't oversampled in sRAW 60 based on the same manual so they are reaching out to the engineer team and getting back to me. I also did not have the same issues or results as you did when editing sRAW. What editor do you use, because in DaVinci Resolve it is super clean and more accurate in color than even clog 2? I'm editing on a 48" OLED and there is a big difference in colors with sRAW in a good way over clog 2. Both are great, but the 12bit in sRAW is able to be pushed so much more in Resolve. I do appreciate your perspective and I think the c400 will be much better for your needs.
@@franreinaphoto I read your comment and didn't want to just answer your questions with opinion but actually look at footage I have shot with it over the last month and pixel peep. That being said I just spent an hour looking at sraw 60, sraw 24 and Clog 2 60fps so I can give you an honest perspective from another R5II. Michael is correct in what he is seeing. In 4k 60 sraw once you zoom in 2x or more you can see the artifacting, but it is not easy to notice it at 1x. 4k 60 clog 2 is much much much cleaner, but you lose some sharpness. To be fair clog2 60fps does give it more of a filmic look not being so digitally over sharpened and I like it. In sRAW 24fps the image is SO much cleaner than sraw 60, and if you zoom in you don't see the same artifacting as sraw 60. So far I prefer sRAW for its flexibility over clog2 in post, but clog 2 is amazing as well. The moral of the story is that for people like Michael the c400 or c80 is better suited. For a hybrid shooter like me and my business the r5 II is amazing. Hope that helps!
@@JaredHoyman Thanks mate. Just got the mkII and this video made me panic a bit. I film underwater, so things are tricky enough! The main reason I upgraded was the colour grading in clog2, the increase in options in 4K and sound being recorded at 120fps. I'd be interested in your opinion on me starting with 4K60 in clog2? Thanks again.
It seems like I am late to the party. On the old 5d I could adapt my picture profile for shooting video, boosting contrast and sharpness. Does that still work? I had the same softness problems and that was my fix.
I actually had to buy a r6ii for a wedding because of how bad the r5ii was. It’s only good in 8k or 4k fine. I debating sending it back. Not only is it soft but the overblown hi lights actually have a yellow fringe. I hope people fined this video helpful. Or cannon just lets us shoot 4k fine 60 not only 30.
@@JJohnson313lol, ok, let’s go down the path of common sense for a bit. What does he stand to lose by not recommending the camera? What does he already have ( kit wise ) what is his real world use of cameras outside of TH-cam? Lastly, what did he say he was going to pick up after returning the R5II? He’s picking up a camera that’s twice the MSRP next. If anything, by argument he stands to spend more money. I said “non TH-camr” because TH-camrs live in the shadow of sponsorships and promoting affiliates, which means, they will always speak In a way to appease said circumstances.
Shooting more than four weddings, each lasting over 15 hours, using three EOS R5 II cameras without battery grips-recording in 4K 60p outdoors and 4K 25p indoors with Log 2-has been no problem. Occasionally, the screen shows a 10-level overheating indicator, but it rarely goes beyond 2 notches. I even recorded non-stop for 3 hours, and it never exceeded 2 notches. The quality is incredible, even when downscaled from 8K. Do you have the ‘Shutdown Warning’ setting turned OFF?
Thanks for your perspective! I've been researching about the r5 mkii as I might upgrade to it, but I won't do as much video as you. Good to see comments from both sides.
@ I have 2x R3 and it is an awesome camera, even the 1080p looks incredible. It is rumoured that the sensor in the C400 and C80 is this sensor tweaked. You don’t need 50 mega pixels for video. Even does 240fps in 1080p if you like super super slo-mo. I would give it a look,especially for your use case.
I will second the R3. The 4K 120p is a bit soft because it is subsampled, but still very useable. The 4K 60 is god as is the rest of that rig. I’d almost look at an R1 before an R3 or C400, though. Image stabilization, weather sealing, these are important things.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions i know few production companies pairing r3 with c70 and c80. If they put r3 next to those two video beasts...i suppose they have to be great. And don't forget r3 has clog2 (though not in the camera menu). I'm a colorist so that is kinda big deal for me.
Thanks for the honest opinion. I'm a Sony User actually and had a chance to try the A7RV for video and the pixel binning is quite incredibly good, but it produces artifacts when shooting with everything in focus (widangle, landscapes, hyperfocal in general). It's a huge improvement over the A7R4 line skipping. That Canon 4k60p line skipping in 2024 for that price and whit that fast sensor is insane, I mean it sounds like an imposed cripple/limitation, I can't believe they did it. And moreover no one talks about it. I expected at least a pixel binning...
Thanks for the feedback, I like hearing from other actual videographers vs TH-cam reviewers, and the amount of time you put into this video is appreciated. I have the R5II and will start doing my own testing in the next couple of days. I was aware before getting the R5II that the 4K60 is line skipped which is disappointing but wasn't a dealbreaker for me. TBH I have the C70 and IMO it is softer than anything I get out of the R5 and probably softer than anything I will get out of the R5II as well. It doesn't bother me because you can always add post sharpness. The C70 footage gets incredibly sharp with a touch of post sharpening as does the R5 and I am pretty sure the R5II will be the same way. With the 4K60 SRAW, it is straight off the sensor so no denoising or sharpening has been applied to it, if you post sharpen the SRAW it will actually get much sharper than the C70 or R8. Post sharpening is a standard step in editing both photos and videos, as long as the footage was shot with a good codec, at a good data rate, and the subject matter was in focus, post sharpening can make the image as soft or as sharp as you want. The R8 probably looks better right out of camera because it is probably applying some sort of in camera sharpening and denoising; the fact it is oversampling vs line skipping definitely helps as well but probably not as much as you would think. Congrats on getting the C400, I am eyeing it as well, but most of my work is run and gun hybrid photo/video work so the R5II was a better fit for me. If the C70 wasn't so good I would consider replacing it with the C400. Looking forward to your thoughts on the C400.
Thank you for your comment. Best comment ive seen all day on this video. Yes I agree the C70 is a soft out of camera. But like you said I can always touch it up in post and it looks amazing. With the R5 2 I tried doing what I always do with the C70 and of course some other methods and it just looks nasty to me. I was using one of the highest Bit Rates it had in 4k 60. I have to say though maybe im just spoiled with the C70 image quality and im expecting the Canon R5 2 to match it. I use the R8 and C70 together all the time and it matches very well with the C70. Yes I use Raw quite a bit and know that I have to clean that footage up a little but when the SRAW totally changes the colors it just through me off lol. Regular Raw I can handle and fix it up nice and pretty. But SRAW just looks nasty to me. Looking forward for when the C400 ships. Maybe that one can be the Full Frame version of the C70 lol. Maybe not though because of the DGO Sensor. Lol
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions I did quite a bit of testing today and it is official, I will never use SRAW out of the R5II, the color shift and chromatic aberration is not worth it in the R5II when shooting SRAW. The XF-HEVC S 4K fine @ 30FPS and XF-HEVC S 4K@60FPS looked much better than the SRAW. The SRAW also does something strange to the exposure, I couldn't tell if it was increasing the DR or just increasing the overall exposure, but the exposure changes when switching to it from one of the compressed options. The good news for me at least is the 4K60FPS compressed looked sharper than the 4K30FPS Fine with a touch of post sharpening so it will work for my main needs. SRAW is so new it is possible that Davinci Resolve will need an update to properly read it, I have a hard time believing it is really as bad as it looked on my screen.
@@VUMEDIAGroup Hi, was reading your comment and I want to buy it for same Codec XF-HEVC S 4K@60FPS due to file sizes of SRAW, I was surprised to hear it was sharper, many people compared it side by side and I can see SRAW is definitely sharper than XF-HEVC S 4K@60FPS ... wondering is it because of new firmware? or early production units issue? really want to know this a bit more! could you also give any file size comparison over SRAW to HEVC! thanks🙌
I’m using R6 MKII for video and for photo and I’m happy. Now I planing to buy 2nd camera. R5 MKII was my first choice. After watching this I dont know… What to buy better then R6 MKII?
This is an honest and excellent review. Thanks very much for your thoughts. Since I’m primarily a 4k60 content creator, I will absolutely steer clear of this camera. The non over sampled, line skipped pixel binned footage would be unusable to me. Perhaps we’ll have better luck with the R5 mkiii(?).
Did the recent firmware update improve the video recording capability and performance? I am seriously thinking about to get canon R5M2. Your feedback would be greatly appreciated.
No that firmware update did not fix the issue. I no longer have the camera but from what i read on it. It did not fix the issue. I have the Canon C80 now and that camera is a beast.
The Canon 4k 60 sweet spot is the R6II . I use it for all day weddings, no overheating, no line skipped readout, full frame, ibis, smaller package… might be worth considering alongside the C70 Also, maybe it’s a video publish date timing issue, but the new C80 seems to be similar to the C400
Thanks for this comment.. I'd been all set to go out and get the R5mkii . But starting to think I'm way better off saving a tonne of money.. getting the R6mkii.. only thing I would have liked is a bit of 120fps option.. but otherwise the r6 does seem like the bang for buck option.. and maybe spending money on a new 70-200 l2.8 would bring about a better overall result! Edit: I've since read you can get 120 at 1080p.. I think that is quite usable anyway!
The 4k SRAW on this thing also has a really weird funky noise pattern(with both vertical and horizontal short strip/lines) which cannot be removed AT ALL even with the strongest noise reduction settings in post.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions LOL, People only believe what they want to hear, I guess. I was curious if the R5ii could be my new do-it-all camera until I downloaded some actual footage to play with. I was like, YUCK. Nope.
I owned and shot probably 1200 GB every week since then. Here’s the short version. 4k60p line skipping a little better than the R5 mark 1. SRAW beautiful and sharp (not for everyone, he doesn’t understand raw clearly) cropped mode 4k60p very sharp oversampled from 5.1K I use it a lot actually. 4k120 looks identical to 60p. Not bad for social media, almost no one can’t tell the difference after TH-cam compression. 8k best in business. Overheating it’s better than before but still there in long shots mostly.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions The R6II has the best 4k60HQ out of every camera and you can shoot 45 minutes straight before overheating and cost $1999. I have that one and the OG R5. I was disappointed the 4k60 was lined skipped. The new R5ii battery gives the R5c 30 minutes more recording time and the 4k60 on that camera is great.
@presise1620 I have the r5c and it all around beats the other EOS brothers except the new c400 and c80 ofcourse. Oversampled 8K in every 4k codec! And can shoot 4K 120 in XF-AVC ALL INTRA! With it on sale now for $3600 from its original $4300 price.. it is the best price cinema pro 8K camera under $4K. Watch my review I just posted.
I do plan on getting the R5 Mk II primarily for photography and leave the videography to my DJI Osmo Pocket 3. I have been in dire need of replacing my old Sony Alpha A65.
If you are talking about 4k 60fps unfortunately I have a bad feeling that you havent seen actual good sharp footage before out of a good shooting camera. If you're talking about 4k 30 I can agree it shoots some good footage.
For run and gun scenarios if I’m shooting any movement that I might want to be slowed down, I can’t risk shooting in 30 has to be 60. You never know what will happen and changing settings means you could miss the shot if something spontaneous happens. And I could imagine fishing is completely like that. I do 10 hours long weddings and random stuff always happens lol.
Dude! Thank you for this. I shoot athletics and my primary camera is the c70. Only complaint with it was the softness of the 4K, but only an issue when cropping in for effects. I was excited to get a r5m2 hoping that it would keep the sharpness a little better when popping in, but NOPE! So glad I came across your video. Now it looks like I'm pinned to get the c80 once more reviews come out for it.
Im glad you watched it as well. C80 is an amazing choice. I have it in hand and freaking love it. Making a video on it as we speak. Im happy for you. You dodge a bullet lol
So I just wanna buy a camera exclusively for photos. I’ve been looking at this one because I will not use it for video since I have the FX3. But would it overheat taking photos as well?
I am looking to get advice on either purchasing the R5 Mii or the r6 Mii. Sold my 5d Mark IV and 7D. Currently don't have a camera and shoot. I shoot events, but never had a mirrorless camera.
To just to let you know, I have the r5c which does over sample in all modes with zero overheating. With the new battery in the r5c it greatly increases the run time of the canon r5c. I got over an hour and a half run time on one lpe6p battery. I know you already got this camera but if you can return it maybe try the r5c
As im sure you seen in the video. I already sent the R5 2 back and purchasing the C400. I do appreciate the recommendation though. That is insane for some reason I thought the R5C did the same as the R5 2 but after reading your comment I looked it up and seen that you are correct. Freaking amazing.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions That's a good one as well. Have a C400 myself, covered it over on The Film Guy channel, and have used a C80 a few times. Not sure if it would make a good B-Cam for me, weighing it up!
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions Hard to be sure without knowing the type of jobs I do! I'm thinking either C80 or I might wait for something smaller with IBIS for quick gimbal B-Roll stuff.
Sounds like you're pretty much a videophotographer. Did you not know the 4K 60 wasn't oversampled when you bought it? If your primary use for a camera is mainly video, why would you even buy a hybrid like this? I'm a stills photographer that shoots mainly wildlife and that would be like me buying an R5C for my stills photography because once in while I might shoot some video clips. I think your choice for C400 was great one, from reviews I have seen I think you're going to love it. I personally never understood the whole 8K video thing myself, from most of hybrid camera reviews I have seen 24MP Hybrid seem to be the sweet shot for downsampled 4K footage, don't have overheating issues, much smaller files, etc. I do agree with your assessment of Canon's marketing, because they hype up the video features so much and not the what this camera really excels at which is fast action stills photography. The stills photography is nothing short of amazing, that shoots some really good video too. Hope you like you new C400.
The R5C is actually just as good as the R5 for stills. All the Canon's overheat except the R5C and others in the cine lineup. The problem is Canon has too have trade offs like line skipping when the R3 does not have it. So, you get the updated R5 II for video and you have issues again..
Just because it’s over sampled does not mean that the images will be soft… Canon does a poor job with compression here. The Sonys that are lines skipped are much better as to sharpness, detail, and noise.
I know 4k60p is line skipped on the R5II, but do you think you may have gotten a bad R5II? My R6II was so bad that Canon ended up replacing it for me. At the same time, I won't be surprised because my R5 4k60p is very soft, and it is line skipped as in R5II. It is a shame that Canon didn't improve on it.
I really hope they do and can for the people that are stuck with the camera. I will say this. When I purchased the C70 4 years ago it was a good camera but not a great camera. With some firmware updates they made it an amazing camera.
Hi Michael, some days ago I tested a R5 MKII with a simple video (4K 50fps) done in my house and I compared it with the same video done with R6MKII. I'am talking of a video "as it is" created from the camera and not elaborated. I have done more than one test and compared all times with R6MKII and the result is that video of R5MKII are less defined than R6MKII and more soft. Now I have to decide if buy this camera or made a jump on Sony A7RV. After looking at your youtube video you confirm my impressions and I'am little bit confused in what I have to do. I thought that the problems was related to that specific camera R5 model and not in general to all R5 MKII...but you found the same problems... I'am a photographer and now I'am going to start in video and so you canunderstand my doubts. I'am going to think a lot about what I have to do. Thank you
At the 5:50 mark the cars were jumpy. Did you switch to 180 manually? Honest opinions. All good. I have a C400 coming. I was thinking R52 as a second camera and get rid of 2 C70's. Maybe not now. Thanks. C70 rocks!
Had this exact same experience and it's just not it. Saw you say you went C80 which is great same with the 400 but there is so many run and gun situations I just cant do no EVF because I dont want to use 2 different cameras all the time I just want one good enough on both use cases like historically speaking the A7S3 is or was in my case.
the answer is very simple, the R5II is a great camera for 12bit 8k60 raw and 10bit 8k30 & 4k30 fine because it uses ten ull sensor read out or supersampling. for me it's great to shoot 8k60 raw as in post I can do slow motions and can do digital paning and zooming in without loss of quality. all olther formates like 4k60, 4k120 and sraw a downsampled with line scipping / pixel binding which causes less details less sharpness an aliassing on contrasty lines. there is only one additional mode for 4k60 which gives you the full quality and this is the 4k60 cropped mode (S35 / aps-c) because then, the R5II supersamples the resulting 4k60 cropped image from the cropped appr 6k resolution. if you need a clean 4k60 or great 4k120 or the best low light camera, you should better use a 24MP cam like the R6II or R6 or for professional use the R3. thats the reason why I still have my R3 besite my new R5II, the R5II only for 8k60 raw and the R3 for low light conditions and 4k120
how long does it shoot in 8k RAW before overheating? 5 minutes? 10? There is no recording to an external SSD, if it doesn't overheat, then it will run out of space
@@Andrew_Nekrasov The R5II is the jack of all trades but master of none, a perfect swiss knife for hybride creatives, but not a full size video machine. That's what one should keep in mind. It's a 750 gramms 8k60 12bit raw machine which fits into your pocket, but it's not build for endless 8k raw recordings. It has multi formate options for every need, but not all formates are supersampled, some are downsampled with more ore less loss of quality. You should know what to do with this camera and Canon should better communicate their camera line up in terms of best specific user cases for every model. One more point here regarding the test from Michael Johnson, 4k sraw is definitlely not as worse as he described it, it's not as good as original 8k raw due to line scipping / pixel binding but is way better than the 4k 60/120 10bit formates.
@@Andrew_Nekrasov I have a 2 terrabyte CF-B card and the fan grip. I ran the R5ii shooting 8K/60 raw internally for 40 minutes before the batteries died. I also have an atomos external recorder and did 8k/30 raw over HDMI for more than two hours with supplement USB-C powering.
He just said he has a c70. For other professionals, mirrorless cameras are actually a better value than camcorders. Not sure what you mean by “smoother zoom”. If you’re shooting with an integrated lens, you really don’t understand filmmaking vs photography 😂
Thank you so much for this honest impression. The totally cured me from the idea to replace my regular R5 by the new model. Guess I have to wait until R6 III or R5C II will be launched.
As im sure you seen in the video. The whole reason of purchasing the camera was to get Full Frame. My main camera is a C70 which is super 35 so I wanted Full Frame.
Great camera review, it almost made me return it however I’m not a big videographer. Actually what took me by surprise is that the battery grip with the fan does not have vertical shooting capabilities. I thought that this grip was the best overall choice. I’m glad your footage showed the rear of the camera as I haven’t found any out there showing the whole thing. I guess I’m just buying the non-fan grip to be able to have the necessary buttons when I shoot vertically. Thanks!
Hey there, saw a couple of your videos and got an R8 for a B camera for my C300 Mark lll. I did see the overheating initially but then I got the small rig vmount, plate and a Kondor blue usb c with the converter built in and turned on Airplane mode. Last weekend ran both cameras at an event Morning session was about close to 2 hours and the afternoon session was an hour and a half. R8 filmed 4K 24 the entire time without overheating. 4K 60 for b-roll last week in Florida heat and humidity didn’t overheat. I also shot both times in the smaller file format. Hope that helps thanks for the videos.
I got so complicated buying a camera these day.... Why they just make it simple... R1 > R3 > R5 > R6... but nooooooooooooooooo! You have to check all the specs... I hate them so much. And why a 2024 camera like a R5 II will lose against the 2020 R3... nothing make sense in the canon line up. Is the R5C better? Maybe... i'll buy the C80 ou C70... I'm not sure anymore.
I shot all day in Fl outside about 90 degrees in 4K 60…yes I had to turn on the cooling fan after an about an hour..it was awesome and didn’t overheat to where it could not be used.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions I also come from the R8…and it does shoot great footage…it just over heats so quickly…but truthfully I can’t tell much difference in the footage. But I also did some shooting in 120 FPS. And I really didn’t like the way that footage looked.
I didn’t come from the R8 I come from the canon c70 so honestly that could be it as well. I’m spoiled with that camera footage. It’s amazing. The r8 I was just using as an example. I use the r8 very little
1. Your Side by Side comparison at 4:33, are you using the Same Lense OR Same Lense and Adapter (RF to EF)? 2. RAW will not look good straight out of camera, shooting RAW you are expected to Color Correct and then Color Grade your footage (Hopefully people use the right Color Gamut and Color Space), it is not meant to be used straight out of camera. 3. As for your argument about 8k File Size at 5:40, I use 8K RAW for my commercial shoot 25% of the time for the flexibility in Post for the shoots that will require me zoom in and add Motion Graphics, then I have 2 outcomes, "First Outcome" I have it Archived for 45 Days after completing the project for the client, then send the full folder to the client (RAW, Davinci Timeline, Finals) then Delete and keep Finals. "Second Outcome" I keep either the RAW or Downsize to 4k or 1080p Resolutions of the footage from clients to be used for the Future.
1. Same camera same lens same everything. 24-70 RF 2.8. Only difference was 4k 30 and 4k 60 as I said in the video. 2. I never said in the video it should look great straight out of camera. I just said it looks amazing. And yes I am aware that you have to color correct then color grade. Most people that are interested in a camera like this are aware of that. It's almost like you are commenting on the wrong video. Either that or I didn't explain myself clearly in the video. Which is possible I guess. 3. Yes I am aware on how raw can be beneficial I use it all the time on my C70. It's not 8k Raw but it's simply amazing. My argument was the time wasted in waiting for the camera to cool down and waiting for your computer to downsize or render the 16 hours of footage for a single day. With two camera's shooting all day. If you have the privilege of shooting short clips. That is amazing. I'm happy for you. There is a reason cinema camera's have fans in them. It's for people that shoot all day in the hot sun shooting really high formats. Like myself. The Canon R5 One or Two would not last 5 minutes in the heat. Trust me I tried it. And like I said if you have the time to downsize your footage then good for you but my time is spent trying to get things done. It just dont make since for the type of shooting I do. I understand small projects of course that would work but not long days with multiple camera's running. I do appreciate your comment.
The video was not about the camera over heating. It was about how bad the 4k 60 is. When I mentioned the overheating was when I was talking about 8k 60. The fan only gives you about 7 extra minutes. I live in Florida and the times are actually lower than that. As I stated in the video. I shoot on a boat most of the day. The sun is beaming. So that's another reason why I love the C70 so much.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions I get it, but you brought up an interesting point because you kept mentioning overheating as well so that’s why I was inquiring more about that. Well, hopefully this is something that canon can do something about.
thank you so much for this video. I own that camera and have been very frustrated with it for video. It won’t even let you record in 60P on any format if you have the hand grip attached to it. 🤔
*R5C* is way better in most situation ^^ And don't overheat, and cost less money. I was a little bit desapointed that it can't handle 8K60 with the integrated battery, cause with the dual fisheye lens, and external USB Power bank, it's kinda "Big" in hands. But it's not my main using case. So I finnaly deal with it, and bought a second one, for multiple plan with same colors.
Let's not forget Canon R6! I only shoot in 60fps for B-roll. No need for that when people talk.. so be intentional with filming and you should be fine. Buy a 2nd camera as a backup with the low price it's selling at. Just a thought.
If you want a crisp 4K 60 on R52 you can shoot in SRAW and it’s similar to oversampled, is 12 bit, great dynamic range and its only 700mbs. On weddings I shoot in 24p all day and only use 60p for intentional slomo stuff like dancing and portraits.
Yeah as I stated in my video. If you are recommending using sraw you never used sraw. It’s terrible footage. Honestly if you shot with sraw and thought it looked good. I question your judgment. But you probably haven’t used it yet. And yes for wedding shoots you have that privilege of picking and choosing. I do appreciate your comment.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions Have you seen James Reader’s video? It seems like the 4K SRAW 50p is indeed a lot more crisp than the standard 4K50p. th-cam.com/video/uDlLNRn9o1E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=03UO16AuHWdJpmZn I did note that the SRAW has a different colour cast when testing myself, but I think that’s down to the standard’s post processing. SRAW undoubtedly looks better, I am not sure how you came to the conclusion that it was bad? Again though, its not all about absolute crispy video, CLOG2 provides the R52 with a much nicer falloff in the highlights and shadows in my testing than CLOG3 in R5C. I think they could release a firmware update that does oversampled 4K in 50p for the R52 tbh and then there’d be no question. Also at 3:38 I don’t know how you deliver your footage, but watching on TH-cam I honestly can’t tell the difference. Zooming 400% with original files obviously I can. Shooting in daylight, you’d get much nicer highlights, its not all about low light performance.
I owned and shot probably 1200 GB every week since then. Here’s the short version. 4k60p line skipping a little better than the R5 mark 1. SRAW beautiful and sharp (not for everyone, he doesn’t understand raw clearly) cropped mode 4k60p very sharp oversampled from 5.1K I use it a lot actually. 4k120 looks identical to 60p. Not bad for social media, almost no one can’t tell the difference after TH-cam compression. 8k best in business. Overheating it’s better than before but still there in long shots mostly.
I do understand how raw works. I use it all the time. SRAW is terrible. The Cinema Raw light is amazing I use that every week. I get sharpness is not everything. Trust me I use the canon C70 which shoots softer footage. But the R52 the footage just looks terrible. I guess youtube failed at showing the difference in footage from the C70. I guess everyone would love to justify their purchase decision. I get it. And it's a big possibly that im spoiled with the image quality the C70 gives me and expecting that from the R52
Canon R6ii owner here, you should send the R5ii back and get an R6ii. The R8 has the same sensor as the R6ii so you’ll have a great A and B cam. The R6ii is best in its class for IBIS and low-light high ISO situations. No issues with overheating and great battery life. It’s also great for stills with really good dynamic range. Absolute workhorse… I love canon but am not a loyalist, getting ready to buy an FX3 soon.
I'm considering getting a second R6ii. I really like it a lot. I'm watching R5ii reviews to see what I'd be getting into. Especially the points not a lot of people mention. I mainly want the R5ii to replace my EOS-R for wedding pictures. But hey I like shooting video occasionally too so I need to know how it reacts.
@@SamFigueroa I must say although I don't own an R5ii my R5 and R5C both wipe the floor with my R6ii; the R6ii is a far inferior image in my humble opinion..
yes you are right about 4k 60p, but rest of that, this camera is beast, with clog2, its scary close to c70, can shoot 8k raw, and its a photo camera too, so only downside is 4k 60, maybe they can fix it with firmware
Wow I just got the R5II too lmao. I’ll definitely test its 4k60 capabilities but I’m hoping it’s not as bad as you say. I have the R6II which shares the same sensor as the R8, and you’re right, it’s 4k60p is immaculate. I just wish it had clog2 😢 If it ends up being crappy 4k60 i might return my r5ii 😅
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions I did Amazon which usually accepts returns. I'll likely return it and save up for the c80 which is what I wanted more anyways haha. Cheers Michael!
I suspected this is the case so thanks for your honesty. This is not a professional video camera. It is a consumer camera for video enthusiasts. You need active cooling to run 4K60p. R5C is the answer. It never overheated on me. Not even close. And I shoot outdoors in the summer in North Carolina. I also owned R8s and those overheated like nobody's business.
Yes as im sure you seen in my video. I use the C70 for all of my video work. I was showing the R8 as an example. I live and shoot in Florida. It is the hottest here lol. And the C70 handles it fine. This video was not about the over heating problem. It was about how bad the footage looks in 4k 60. As Im sure you seen in the video. I sent the R5 2 back and purchased the C400. Cant wait for that camera to be shipped.
its pixel binning mate from the sensor. the Sonys do this too dependant on crop modes. ur 4K fine footage is so crispy cos its down sampling from a much higher resolution. The high framerate 4K options are only using 4K of the data. technical limitation of every hybrid camera. this is why we have cinema cameras.
Hi, did you try to report the issue to Canon? I called B&H and let them know that I'm having the same issue. The guys from Canon tech support are clueless. They said the camera has not been long enough for them to know about the issue. Nobody knows if it can or will be fixed in a future update. The camera is so heavily marketed for video, that it shouldn't have this problem. It's not an issue with R5C or R6mii. Why would they cripple it? Only 2 options left for now. Return it or bet 5k that it may be fixed later...
Unfortunately I dont think they will fix it later. I returned mine and have the C400 on the way. Yes the R6mii can do it because it over samples from 6k not 8k. Still a lame excuse but that is the reason. R5C can do it because that is actually a good camera lol.
That's what I was afraid of. I understand to make something better on top of what was already good, otherwise it defies the purpose. There is another thing that nobody mentioned and I found missing. For stills, R6ii could do a multi frame noise reduction jpeg, combining 4 shots. I could not find this option in the new R5ii.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions So 4K 120fps is line skipped? If so that sucks and makes this a no go for me. I know you have the C400 coming but if you get to try the R3 you will love it. Great AF and all oversampled. The dynamic range on the R3 beats the R5C and is close to the C70 dynamic range.
I use the Canon R5ii and I find the focus sharper than my R5. Call Canon and see what you are doing wrong. You might have a setting off. Also, use a 2tb card...
Not doing anything wrong. The camera just does not shoot good 4k 60. As I’m sure you seen in the video. I’ve already sent the camera back and purchased the c400
@@MichaelJohnsonProductionsYes you are correct,it was common knowledge months ago on canon USA comments , do your homework before you buy a camera . The c 400 is not weather sealed be careful using on a boat !
That’s also what I wanted to say. R6II might be a better option if you don’t require 4k120. It has pre-roll which no other camera has in this price range.
You should have tried 4K 60p standard intra with AVCS because it's very detailed. This gives you very high data rates and has more detail. You seems to like over sharpened digital looking footage. You also didn't give the R5 II a chance to see what it can do.
I do not like digital sharpened looking footage. As you see in the video. None of my footage looks like that. I just don't like Muddy nasty looking footage. Like I said in the video. The 4k 30 fine looks amazing. I have the C80 with me now. Ive done a lot of test shooting with it already. The footage is amazing. In all formats. Honestly it sounds like you haven't seen good footage before. From my experience with TH-cam comments. The people that write comments like this purchased the camera and are not truly happy with it and looking for any video to justify the purchase. When I prove what is really happening. You get upset and write a comment like this. Don't try and bash me for calling a flaw out in this camera. A ton of people say the same thing. Not just me.
It is frustrating how very few major camera reviewers have mentioned about subsampled 4K60. Although I either use 25P or 100P but I understand 50/60P are critical for most of video users. And people always recommend A7Siii FX3 when it comes to video. Well in most cases they are probably OK, but after 4 years they are aging and lack a lot of features that others have, e.g. lower resolution, no animal autofocus, soft 4K120 and no pre-roll. Videography is just as vast, if not vaster, use case as photography. Recommendation should be use case centric and bespoke. Thanks for the great review BTW.
Yes as you seen If you watched the video. I own the Canon C70 and been using it for 4 years and the Canon C400 is on the way. So this is why I am so frustrated with the image quality on the R5 2 because I know what looks good. The Canon R5 mark II just sucks for any real video work. Totally get the appeal for photos though.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions ditto I have the c400 coming as well. The R5MK2 is a great b/c cam and a quick run and gun. I wish the c70 sensor was a priority to canon. The Dgo tech is so amazing. A full frame version would have been nice
Ive been saying this for a long time. A Full Frame version of the C70 sensor would shut the camera market down lol. Everyone would have that camera and no other camera lol
I think we can respectfully agree to disagree. I did watch the video to the end and I understand your points. 4k 60 is softer than R6 II, which I own both. I understand that you are mostly video so this camera may have not been the best choice for the money as well and I think the c400 or c80 would be better for your needs. I've been testing the R5 II like crazy since release day and read through the 1200 plus page online manual to make sure my findings were correct. Where I disagree is your conclusion on sRAW. sRAW 60 is so sharp and has much more detail than clog 2 4k 60. I did a few videos on it on my channel, but from what the manual says about sRAW on all FPS it is oversampled. I reached out earlier today to the Canon Cinema Rep and they couldn't conclude if it is or isn't oversampled in sRAW 60 based on the same manual so they are reaching out to the engineer team and getting back to me. I also did not have the same issues or results as you did when editing sRAW. What editor do you use, because in DaVinci Resolve it is super clean and more accurate in color than even clog 2? I'm editing on a 48" OLED and there is a big difference in colors with sRAW in a good way over clog 2. Both are great, but the 12bit in sRAW is able to be pushed so much more in Resolve. I do appreciate your perspective and I think the c400 will be much better for your needs.
Hi Jared, do you get the same artefacts that Michael gets in the video? (6:09, 6:26, 7:10). Thanks!
@@franreinaphoto I read your comment and didn't want to just answer your questions with opinion but actually look at footage I have shot with it over the last month and pixel peep. That being said I just spent an hour looking at sraw 60, sraw 24 and Clog 2 60fps so I can give you an honest perspective from another R5II. Michael is correct in what he is seeing. In 4k 60 sraw once you zoom in 2x or more you can see the artifacting, but it is not easy to notice it at 1x. 4k 60 clog 2 is much much much cleaner, but you lose some sharpness. To be fair clog2 60fps does give it more of a filmic look not being so digitally over sharpened and I like it. In sRAW 24fps the image is SO much cleaner than sraw 60, and if you zoom in you don't see the same artifacting as sraw 60. So far I prefer sRAW for its flexibility over clog2 in post, but clog 2 is amazing as well. The moral of the story is that for people like Michael the c400 or c80 is better suited. For a hybrid shooter like me and my business the r5 II is amazing. Hope that helps!
@@JaredHoyman Thank you for your response! 🙏🏼
@@JaredHoyman Thanks mate. Just got the mkII and this video made me panic a bit. I film underwater, so things are tricky enough! The main reason I upgraded was the colour grading in clog2, the increase in options in 4K and sound being recorded at 120fps. I'd be interested in your opinion on me starting with 4K60 in clog2? Thanks again.
It seems like I am late to the party. On the old 5d I could adapt my picture profile for shooting video, boosting contrast and sharpness. Does that still work? I had the same softness problems and that was my fix.
I actually had to buy a r6ii for a wedding because of how bad the r5ii was. It’s only good in 8k or 4k fine. I debating sending it back. Not only is it soft but the overblown hi lights actually have a yellow fringe.
I hope people fined this video helpful. Or cannon just lets us shoot 4k fine 60 not only 30.
Canon r6ii 4k60 is good looking? Just asking before buying new camera
personally use r6 II's for weddings and its my favourite for the DSLR style of canon cameras
I just shoot 4k50 sRAW lot of details, flexibility, slightly bigger file than 4k fine...
R6 ii 4k 60fps is very sharp, great colors and is awesome. @@film_insider
Finally, a non TH-camr doing real life shit that’s giving unbiased opinion. This is so refreshing. Thank you.
Silly advice.
@The_Idea_of_Dream_Vision if I spent 4500 I'll lie to myself about it being great too
He’s a TH-camr. Legit making videos on TH-cam. What about this video means he’s “unbiased” ?
@@JJohnson313lol, ok, let’s go down the path of common sense for a bit. What does he stand to lose by not recommending the camera? What does he already have ( kit wise ) what is his real world use of cameras outside of TH-cam? Lastly, what did he say he was going to pick up after returning the R5II? He’s picking up a camera that’s twice the MSRP next. If anything, by argument he stands to spend more money.
I said “non TH-camr” because TH-camrs live in the shadow of sponsorships and promoting affiliates, which means, they will always speak In a way to appease said circumstances.
@The_Idea_of_Dream_Vision so many people are doing that in the comments lol. It's driving me crazy. It's like they never seen good footage before.
Shooting more than four weddings, each lasting over 15 hours, using three EOS R5 II cameras without battery grips-recording in 4K 60p outdoors and 4K 25p indoors with Log 2-has been no problem. Occasionally, the screen shows a 10-level overheating indicator, but it rarely goes beyond 2 notches. I even recorded non-stop for 3 hours, and it never exceeded 2 notches. The quality is incredible, even when downscaled from 8K.
Do you have the ‘Shutdown Warning’ setting turned OFF?
This video was not about overheating. Did you watch the video?
The video quality sucks
My question is how big the files size are at 8k 60 raw? If anyone have info, share pls. Thanks
Thanks for your perspective! I've been researching about the r5 mkii as I might upgrade to it, but I won't do as much video as you. Good to see comments from both sides.
You need the Canon R3 (same price as what you spent), super long battery life and no overheating, weatherproof for fishing.
Sounds like a great choice. Thanks
@ I have 2x R3 and it is an awesome camera, even the 1080p looks incredible. It is rumoured that the sensor in the C400 and C80 is this sensor tweaked. You don’t need 50 mega pixels for video. Even does 240fps in 1080p if you like super super slo-mo. I would give it a look,especially for your use case.
I will second the R3. The 4K 120p is a bit soft because it is subsampled, but still very useable. The 4K 60 is god as is the rest of that rig. I’d almost look at an R1 before an R3 or C400, though. Image stabilization, weather sealing, these are important things.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions i know few production companies pairing r3 with c70 and c80. If they put r3 next to those two video beasts...i suppose they have to be great. And don't forget r3 has clog2 (though not in the camera menu).
I'm a colorist so that is kinda big deal for me.
@@film_insider with R3 you need to shoot in RAW to enable clog-2
would firmware fix his issue? or is this unfixable
I believe the camera has the horse power (Processor) but will Canon add that feature idk.
Thanks for the honest opinion. I'm a Sony User actually and had a chance to try the A7RV for video and the pixel binning is quite incredibly good, but it produces artifacts when shooting with everything in focus (widangle, landscapes, hyperfocal in general). It's a huge improvement over the A7R4 line skipping.
That Canon 4k60p line skipping in 2024 for that price and whit that fast sensor is insane, I mean it sounds like an imposed cripple/limitation, I can't believe they did it.
And moreover no one talks about it. I expected at least a pixel binning...
Thanks for the feedback, I like hearing from other actual videographers vs TH-cam reviewers, and the amount of time you put into this video is appreciated. I have the R5II and will start doing my own testing in the next couple of days. I was aware before getting the R5II that the 4K60 is line skipped which is disappointing but wasn't a dealbreaker for me. TBH I have the C70 and IMO it is softer than anything I get out of the R5 and probably softer than anything I will get out of the R5II as well.
It doesn't bother me because you can always add post sharpness. The C70 footage gets incredibly sharp with a touch of post sharpening as does the R5 and I am pretty sure the R5II will be the same way. With the 4K60 SRAW, it is straight off the sensor so no denoising or sharpening has been applied to it, if you post sharpen the SRAW it will actually get much sharper than the C70 or R8.
Post sharpening is a standard step in editing both photos and videos, as long as the footage was shot with a good codec, at a good data rate, and the subject matter was in focus, post sharpening can make the image as soft or as sharp as you want. The R8 probably looks better right out of camera because it is probably applying some sort of in camera sharpening and denoising; the fact it is oversampling vs line skipping definitely helps as well but probably not as much as you would think.
Congrats on getting the C400, I am eyeing it as well, but most of my work is run and gun hybrid photo/video work so the R5II was a better fit for me. If the C70 wasn't so good I would consider replacing it with the C400. Looking forward to your thoughts on the C400.
Thank you for your comment. Best comment ive seen all day on this video. Yes I agree the C70 is a soft out of camera. But like you said I can always touch it up in post and it looks amazing. With the R5 2 I tried doing what I always do with the C70 and of course some other methods and it just looks nasty to me. I was using one of the highest Bit Rates it had in 4k 60. I have to say though maybe im just spoiled with the C70 image quality and im expecting the Canon R5 2 to match it.
I use the R8 and C70 together all the time and it matches very well with the C70.
Yes I use Raw quite a bit and know that I have to clean that footage up a little but when the SRAW totally changes the colors it just through me off lol. Regular Raw I can handle and fix it up nice and pretty. But SRAW just looks nasty to me.
Looking forward for when the C400 ships. Maybe that one can be the Full Frame version of the C70 lol. Maybe not though because of the DGO Sensor. Lol
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions I did quite a bit of testing today and it is official, I will never use SRAW out of the R5II, the color shift and chromatic aberration is not worth it in the R5II when shooting SRAW. The XF-HEVC S 4K fine @ 30FPS and XF-HEVC S 4K@60FPS looked much better than the SRAW. The SRAW also does something strange to the exposure, I couldn't tell if it was increasing the DR or just increasing the overall exposure, but the exposure changes when switching to it from one of the compressed options.
The good news for me at least is the 4K60FPS compressed looked sharper than the 4K30FPS Fine with a touch of post sharpening so it will work for my main needs. SRAW is so new it is possible that Davinci Resolve will need an update to properly read it, I have a hard time believing it is really as bad as it looked on my screen.
@@VUMEDIAGroup Hi, was reading your comment and I want to buy it for same Codec XF-HEVC S 4K@60FPS due to file sizes of SRAW, I was surprised to hear it was sharper, many people compared it side by side and I can see SRAW is definitely sharper than XF-HEVC S 4K@60FPS ... wondering is it because of new firmware? or early production units issue? really want to know this a bit more! could you also give any file size comparison over SRAW to HEVC! thanks🙌
Hey great comment and explanation. When you talk about post sharpening - what software(s) do you use ?
@@arb009 I use Davinci Resolve.
I’m using R6 MKII for video and for photo and I’m happy. Now I planing to buy 2nd camera. R5 MKII was my first choice. After watching this I dont know… What to buy better then R6 MKII?
Thank so much for sharing. It is needed honest reviews like this. Cheers!
This is an honest and excellent review. Thanks very much for your thoughts. Since I’m primarily a 4k60 content creator, I will absolutely steer clear of this camera. The non over sampled, line skipped pixel binned footage would be unusable to me. Perhaps we’ll have better luck with the R5 mkiii(?).
Did the recent firmware update improve the video recording capability and performance? I am seriously thinking about to get canon R5M2. Your feedback would be greatly appreciated.
No that firmware update did not fix the issue. I no longer have the camera but from what i read on it. It did not fix the issue. I have the Canon C80 now and that camera is a beast.
Did you try 4K 60 crop mode, which is over sampled from 5K and what about 4K 120 FPS?
Did you listen to what he said? He wants full-frame, no crops.
The Canon 4k 60 sweet spot is the R6II . I use it for all day weddings, no overheating, no line skipped readout, full frame, ibis, smaller package… might be worth considering alongside the C70
Also, maybe it’s a video publish date timing issue, but the new C80 seems to be similar to the C400
Thanks for this comment.. I'd been all set to go out and get the R5mkii . But starting to think I'm way better off saving a tonne of money.. getting the R6mkii.. only thing I would have liked is a bit of 120fps option.. but otherwise the r6 does seem like the bang for buck option.. and maybe spending money on a new 70-200 l2.8 would bring about a better overall result! Edit: I've since read you can get 120 at 1080p.. I think that is quite usable anyway!
Maybe the bigger youtubers just haven't discovered this yet, but i haven't seen this in other reviews or previews so thank you.
The 4k SRAW on this thing also has a really weird funky noise pattern(with both vertical and horizontal short strip/lines) which cannot be removed AT ALL even with the strongest noise reduction settings in post.
I know that's what I tried to say in my video but people not trying to listen lol
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions LOL, People only believe what they want to hear, I guess. I was curious if the R5ii could be my new do-it-all camera until I downloaded some actual footage to play with. I was like, YUCK. Nope.
Thank you so much for making this
I owned and shot probably 1200 GB every week since then. Here’s the short version. 4k60p line skipping a little better than the R5 mark 1. SRAW beautiful and sharp (not for everyone, he doesn’t understand raw clearly) cropped mode 4k60p very sharp oversampled from 5.1K I use it a lot actually. 4k120 looks identical to 60p. Not bad for social media, almost no one can’t tell the difference after TH-cam compression. 8k best in business. Overheating it’s better than before but still there in long shots mostly.
I do understand how raw works. I use it all the time. SRAW is terrible. The Cinema Raw light is amazing I use that every week.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions The R6II has the best 4k60HQ out of every camera and you can shoot 45 minutes straight before overheating and cost $1999. I have that one and the OG R5. I was disappointed the 4k60 was lined skipped. The new R5ii battery gives the R5c 30 minutes more recording time and the 4k60 on that camera is great.
@@presise1620yea, nothing is beating the r6m2 for a long time. But honestly, the photo mode on R6m2 is great as well. Almost as good as r5.
@BoatZone I agree!
@presise1620 I have the r5c and it all around beats the other EOS brothers except the new c400 and c80 ofcourse.
Oversampled 8K in every 4k codec! And can shoot 4K 120 in XF-AVC ALL INTRA! With it on sale now for $3600 from its original $4300 price.. it is the best price cinema pro 8K camera under $4K.
Watch my review I just posted.
I do plan on getting the R5 Mk II primarily for photography and leave the videography to my DJI Osmo Pocket 3. I have been in dire need of replacing my old Sony Alpha A65.
What do you think about the C80 coming out now? Will you still get the C400 instead of the C80 and if yes, why?
Is there any chance there will be a firmware update to give us 4k60 down sampled?
I got it for photos and could not be more pleased. But understand your take on video. Fingers crossed for firmware updates!
I shoot video and stills. Do you think it’s worth sticking with the R5C over the R5ii?
I don't have a problem with it. Shot a 5 hour wedding just fine
If you are talking about 4k 60fps unfortunately I have a bad feeling that you havent seen actual good sharp footage before out of a good shooting camera. If you're talking about 4k 30 I can agree it shoots some good footage.
Why would u shoot 5 hrs in 60fps ??!
@@The_Idea_of_Dream_Vision To have ability to slow down some parts. It's common to shoot weddings at 50/60p and deliver in 25/30p.
@@wikrap1 not for long hours. you can have specific moments you want to be slowed down. And you have 4k 120 4k60 fhd 60 and 240p 8k 60
For run and gun scenarios if I’m shooting any movement that I might want to be slowed down, I can’t risk shooting in 30 has to be 60. You never know what will happen and changing settings means you could miss the shot if something spontaneous happens. And I could imagine fishing is completely like that. I do 10 hours long weddings and random stuff always happens lol.
Dude! Thank you for this. I shoot athletics and my primary camera is the c70. Only complaint with it was the softness of the 4K, but only an issue when cropping in for effects. I was excited to get a r5m2 hoping that it would keep the sharpness a little better when popping in, but NOPE! So glad I came across your video. Now it looks like I'm pinned to get the c80 once more reviews come out for it.
Im glad you watched it as well. C80 is an amazing choice. I have it in hand and freaking love it. Making a video on it as we speak. Im happy for you. You dodge a bullet lol
Canon just announced C80 makes sense why they crippled R5 mark II
So I just wanna buy a camera exclusively for photos. I’ve been looking at this one because I will not use it for video since I have the FX3. But would it overheat taking photos as well?
No it's perfect for photos.
I am looking to get advice on either purchasing the R5 Mii or the r6 Mii. Sold my 5d Mark IV and 7D. Currently don't have a camera and shoot. I shoot events, but never had a mirrorless camera.
R5C for the win
To just to let you know, I have the r5c which does over sample in all modes with zero overheating.
With the new battery in the r5c it greatly increases the run time of the canon r5c.
I got over an hour and a half run time on one lpe6p battery.
I know you already got this camera but if you can return it maybe try the r5c
As im sure you seen in the video. I already sent the R5 2 back and purchasing the C400. I do appreciate the recommendation though.
That is insane for some reason I thought the R5C did the same as the R5 2 but after reading your comment I looked it up and seen that you are correct. Freaking amazing.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions oh ok, some how I missed that lol.
You will have to let us know how the c400 is.
It sounds like it’s gonna be a good one.
I will be making a video on it when I get it. Thanks
The c80 just released bro .. c400 might be a little overkill tbh
@@SteveBitanga C80 is worst in DR fornt than C70, alas.
Thanks bro I'm definitely buy a canon r6 ii for 4k 60fps 😅 or canon r5c
ha ha, yeah I find I almost never shoot 60fps, its either 30, 24 or 120 and so far so good with the R5 II for me.
Does the camera line skip at 4k 60?
Yes it does
To get the sharpness in video, I've found it helpful to shoot at a higher aperture thank you normally would.
Finally, a video where people point out the OBVIOUS S-RAW banding. C400 is awesome, I'm sure you'll be much happier.
I ended up purchasing the Canon C80 check out my latest video on that but I absolutely love that camera
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions That's a good one as well. Have a C400 myself, covered it over on The Film Guy channel, and have used a C80 a few times. Not sure if it would make a good B-Cam for me, weighing it up!
@@ShaneVanLitz I think it would be.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions Hard to be sure without knowing the type of jobs I do! I'm thinking either C80 or I might wait for something smaller with IBIS for quick gimbal B-Roll stuff.
Really useful video thank you, think I’m going for the c80 but disappointed about no cfexpress slot in it..
Yeah i know. That is disappointing. But it is a great camera from what ive seen.
Can you not shoot at 8k and then downsample it to 4k?
Sounds like you're pretty much a videophotographer. Did you not know the 4K 60 wasn't oversampled when you bought it? If your primary use for a camera is mainly video, why would you even buy a hybrid like this? I'm a stills photographer that shoots mainly wildlife and that would be like me buying an R5C for my stills photography because once in while I might shoot some video clips. I think your choice for C400 was great one, from reviews I have seen I think you're going to love it. I personally never understood the whole 8K video thing myself, from most of hybrid camera reviews I have seen 24MP Hybrid seem to be the sweet shot for downsampled 4K footage, don't have overheating issues, much smaller files, etc. I do agree with your assessment of Canon's marketing, because they hype up the video features so much and not the what this camera really excels at which is fast action stills photography. The stills photography is nothing short of amazing, that shoots some really good video too. Hope you like you new C400.
The R5C is actually just as good as the R5 for stills. All the Canon's overheat except the R5C and others in the cine lineup. The problem is Canon has too have trade offs like line skipping when the R3 does not have it. So, you get the updated R5 II for video and you have issues again..
Just because it’s over sampled does not mean that the images will be soft… Canon does a poor job with compression here. The Sonys that are lines skipped are much better as to sharpness, detail, and noise.
@@angelislandcreativestudios2875 Which Sony's are linked skipped?
@@contentm3893 They make many cameras, you'll have to look that up yourself.
@@angelislandcreativestudios2875 I don't want to look. You seem to know a lot right? If you compare Canon to Sony be specific.
Thanks for sharing and making the great video.
Why didn't you buy the C80?
Because when I made this video the c80 wasn’t released yet.
Thanks for the insight! Are you planning on getting the C80 when it comes out?
I know 4k60p is line skipped on the R5II, but do you think you may have gotten a bad R5II? My R6II was so bad that Canon ended up replacing it for me. At the same time, I won't be surprised because my R5 4k60p is very soft, and it is line skipped as in R5II. It is a shame that Canon didn't improve on it.
line skipped video just sucks
Do you think canon can add 4k fine 60fps -120fps in firmware update?
I really hope they do and can for the people that are stuck with the camera. I will say this. When I purchased the C70 4 years ago it was a good camera but not a great camera. With some firmware updates they made it an amazing camera.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions good thing for you to return R5ii now canon just release C80 might work better for you.
Hi Michael, some days ago I tested a R5 MKII with a simple video (4K 50fps) done in my house and I compared it with the same video done with R6MKII. I'am talking of a video "as it is" created from the camera and not elaborated. I have done more than one test and compared all times with R6MKII and the result is that video of R5MKII are less defined than R6MKII and more soft. Now I have to decide if buy this camera or made a jump on Sony A7RV. After looking at your youtube video you confirm my impressions and I'am little bit confused in what I have to do. I thought that the problems was related to that specific camera R5 model and not in general to all R5 MKII...but you found the same problems... I'am a photographer and now I'am going to start in video and so you canunderstand my doubts. I'am going to think a lot about what I have to do. Thank you
A7r5 will give you worse video and a jello sensor… you’re crazy to move to that.
At the 5:50 mark the cars were jumpy. Did you switch to 180 manually?
Honest opinions. All good. I have a C400 coming. I was thinking R52 as a second camera and get rid of 2 C70's. Maybe not now. Thanks. C70 rocks!
Had this exact same experience and it's just not it. Saw you say you went C80 which is great same with the 400 but there is so many run and gun situations I just cant do no EVF because I dont want to use 2 different cameras all the time I just want one good enough on both use cases like historically speaking the A7S3 is or was in my case.
Thanks for your honest review ,pls advice is canon r5c good for video and photo ?
Great info in this video. Thanks.
Great video and I agree. Canon needs to give us an R5CII! The R5C has great 4k60p we just need the other updates that the R5II got.
You just saved me $$$$ ... as I was considering this camera. I shoot mainly video & I was surprised by the R8 video. It looks Great!
the answer is very simple, the R5II is a great camera for 12bit 8k60 raw and 10bit 8k30 & 4k30 fine because it uses ten ull sensor read out or supersampling. for me it's great to shoot 8k60 raw as in post I can do slow motions and can do digital paning and zooming in without loss of quality. all olther formates like 4k60, 4k120 and sraw a downsampled with line scipping / pixel binding which causes less details less sharpness an aliassing on contrasty lines. there is only one additional mode for 4k60 which gives you the full quality and this is the 4k60 cropped mode (S35 / aps-c) because then, the R5II supersamples the resulting 4k60 cropped image from the cropped appr 6k resolution. if you need a clean 4k60 or great 4k120 or the best low light camera, you should better use a 24MP cam like the R6II or R6 or for professional use the R3. thats the reason why I still have my R3 besite my new R5II, the R5II only for 8k60 raw and the R3 for low light conditions and 4k120
how long does it shoot in 8k RAW before overheating? 5 minutes? 10?
There is no recording to an external SSD, if it doesn't overheat, then it will run out of space
superv exponation
@@Andrew_Nekrasov The R5II is the jack of all trades but master of none, a perfect swiss knife for hybride creatives, but not a full size video machine. That's what one should keep in mind. It's a 750 gramms 8k60 12bit raw machine which fits into your pocket, but it's not build for endless 8k raw recordings. It has multi formate options for every need, but not all formates are supersampled, some are downsampled with more ore less loss of quality. You should know what to do with this camera and Canon should better communicate their camera line up in terms of best specific user cases for every model. One more point here regarding the test from Michael Johnson, 4k sraw is definitlely not as worse as he described it, it's not as good as original 8k raw due to line scipping / pixel binding but is way better than the 4k 60/120 10bit formates.
@@Andrew_Nekrasov I have a 2 terrabyte CF-B card and the fan grip. I ran the R5ii shooting 8K/60 raw internally for 40 minutes before the batteries died. I also have an atomos external recorder and did 8k/30 raw over HDMI for more than two hours with supplement USB-C powering.
@@KeithSklower lol. cfexpress type b 2tb costs 700$ when ssd 2tb costs 100$
Why don't you just buy a high-end video camera? They are made for videos better, and a smoother zoom, better zoom, and don't overheat .
He just said he has a c70. For other professionals, mirrorless cameras are actually a better value than camcorders. Not sure what you mean by “smoother zoom”. If you’re shooting with an integrated lens, you really don’t understand filmmaking vs photography 😂
Ridiculous comment
Real review, no influencer talk.
Did you use a gimbal at all when shooting? The clips look very stabilised.
The C70 is a POWERHOUSE. I also have the R52. Canon needs to bring out some strong firmware updates to update the video
That’s for sure
Thank you so much for this honest impression. The totally cured me from the idea to replace my regular R5 by the new model. Guess I have to wait until R6 III or R5C II will be launched.
Have you tried cropped mode in 4k 60?
As im sure you seen in the video. The whole reason of purchasing the camera was to get Full Frame. My main camera is a C70 which is super 35 so I wanted Full Frame.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions yes I know, sorry, just in case you had tried it and it looked better.
Oh I see no because that’s not what I wanted. But I should have tested it for the video. I apologize
Did you sell yet.
Great camera review, it almost made me return it however I’m not a big videographer. Actually what took me by surprise is that the battery grip with the fan does not have vertical shooting capabilities. I thought that this grip was the best overall choice. I’m glad your footage showed the rear of the camera as I haven’t found any out there showing the whole thing. I guess I’m just buying the non-fan grip to be able to have the necessary buttons when I shoot vertically. Thanks!
Hey there, saw a couple of your videos and got an R8 for a B camera for my C300 Mark lll. I did see the overheating initially but then I got the small rig vmount, plate and a Kondor blue usb c with the converter built in and turned on Airplane mode. Last weekend ran both cameras at an event Morning session was about close to 2 hours and the afternoon session was an hour and a half. R8 filmed 4K 24 the entire time without overheating. 4K 60 for b-roll last week in Florida heat and humidity didn’t overheat. I also shot both times in the smaller file format. Hope that helps thanks for the videos.
8k 60p for birds, get recked
I got so complicated buying a camera these day.... Why they just make it simple... R1 > R3 > R5 > R6... but nooooooooooooooooo! You have to check all the specs... I hate them so much. And why a 2024 camera like a R5 II will lose against the 2020 R3... nothing make sense in the canon line up.
Is the R5C better? Maybe... i'll buy the C80 ou C70... I'm not sure anymore.
good video. i never heard about this and thought they fixed the overheating problem.
Unbiased and fantastic review.
Wait, so if you pixel peep to find the flaws, it turns bad?
for 4k dollars?, yes
You dont have to pixel peep to see it's terrible footage.
R5C Mark II is good for photos and short quick videos. Getting the C400 or C80 is a good choice for video.
Agreed
have you thought about the c80? It is 6k fullframe with the body of the c70. Also I heard that the r5c should have a lot better quality than the r5ii
I shot all day in Fl outside about 90 degrees in 4K 60…yes I had to turn on the cooling fan after an about an hour..it was awesome and didn’t overheat to where it could not be used.
This video wasn't about the over heating. It was about how the footage looks terrible in 4k 60
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions I also come from the R8…and it does shoot great footage…it just over heats so quickly…but truthfully I can’t tell much difference in the footage. But I also did some shooting in 120 FPS. And I really didn’t like the way that footage looked.
I didn’t come from the R8 I come from the canon c70 so honestly that could be it as well. I’m spoiled with that camera footage. It’s amazing. The r8 I was just using as an example. I use the r8 very little
What about for sports clips would hou suggest it? As far as shooting 4k 120?
Also looking to purchase it for taking pictures for sports and taking video for sports is it worth it for that?
Honestly I would not.
So your telling me don’t buy this camera for my plane spotting/airshow videography? 😳
1. Your Side by Side comparison at 4:33, are you using the Same Lense OR Same Lense and Adapter (RF to EF)?
2. RAW will not look good straight out of camera, shooting RAW you are expected to Color Correct and then Color Grade your footage (Hopefully people use the right Color Gamut and Color Space), it is not meant to be used straight out of camera.
3. As for your argument about 8k File Size at 5:40, I use 8K RAW for my commercial shoot 25% of the time for the flexibility in Post for the shoots that will require me zoom in and add Motion Graphics, then I have 2 outcomes, "First Outcome" I have it Archived for 45 Days after completing the project for the client, then send the full folder to the client (RAW, Davinci Timeline, Finals) then Delete and keep Finals. "Second Outcome" I keep either the RAW or Downsize to 4k or 1080p Resolutions of the footage from clients to be used for the Future.
1. Same camera same lens same everything. 24-70 RF 2.8. Only difference was 4k 30 and 4k 60 as I said in the video.
2. I never said in the video it should look great straight out of camera. I just said it looks amazing. And yes I am aware that you have to color correct then color grade. Most people that are interested in a camera like this are aware of that. It's almost like you are commenting on the wrong video. Either that or I didn't explain myself clearly in the video. Which is possible I guess.
3. Yes I am aware on how raw can be beneficial I use it all the time on my C70. It's not 8k Raw but it's simply amazing. My argument was the time wasted in waiting for the camera to cool down and waiting for your computer to downsize or render the 16 hours of footage for a single day. With two camera's shooting all day. If you have the privilege of shooting short clips. That is amazing. I'm happy for you. There is a reason cinema camera's have fans in them. It's for people that shoot all day in the hot sun shooting really high formats. Like myself. The Canon R5 One or Two would not last 5 minutes in the heat. Trust me I tried it.
And like I said if you have the time to downsize your footage then good for you but my time is spent trying to get things done. It just dont make since for the type of shooting I do. I understand small projects of course that would work but not long days with multiple camera's running.
I do appreciate your comment.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions So the fan grip didn't do anything to cool it down? What settings did you use on the fan grip?
@@whiterock1865 You can go check Geraldundone, he showed the time limit for all codec with and without fan grip
The video was not about the camera over heating. It was about how bad the 4k 60 is. When I mentioned the overheating was when I was talking about 8k 60. The fan only gives you about 7 extra minutes. I live in Florida and the times are actually lower than that. As I stated in the video. I shoot on a boat most of the day. The sun is beaming. So that's another reason why I love the C70 so much.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions I get it, but you brought up an interesting point because you kept mentioning overheating as well so that’s why I was inquiring more about that. Well, hopefully this is something that canon can do something about.
thank you so much for this video. I own that camera and have been very frustrated with it for video. It won’t even let you record in 60P on any format if you have the hand grip attached to it. 🤔
*R5C* is way better in most situation ^^ And don't overheat, and cost less money.
I was a little bit desapointed that it can't handle 8K60 with the integrated battery, cause with the dual fisheye lens, and external USB Power bank, it's kinda "Big" in hands. But it's not my main using case.
So I finnaly deal with it, and bought a second one, for multiple plan with same colors.
A lot of people commented the same thing. I should have went with that camera. Good news though. I have the c80 and it is amazing
For 4k 60p the way is with S4kraw
Let's not forget Canon R6! I only shoot in 60fps for B-roll. No need for that when people talk.. so be intentional with filming and you should be fine. Buy a 2nd camera as a backup with the low price it's selling at. Just a thought.
ok so you helped me out big time. Was looking for a camera for stills but primarely video.
If you want a crisp 4K 60 on R52 you can shoot in SRAW and it’s similar to oversampled, is 12 bit, great dynamic range and its only 700mbs.
On weddings I shoot in 24p all day and only use 60p for intentional slomo stuff like dancing and portraits.
Yeah as I stated in my video. If you are recommending using sraw you never used sraw. It’s terrible footage. Honestly if you shot with sraw and thought it looked good. I question your judgment. But you probably haven’t used it yet.
And yes for wedding shoots you have that privilege of picking and choosing. I do appreciate your comment.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions Have you seen James Reader’s video? It seems like the 4K SRAW 50p is indeed a lot more crisp than the standard 4K50p. th-cam.com/video/uDlLNRn9o1E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=03UO16AuHWdJpmZn
I did note that the SRAW has a different colour cast when testing myself, but I think that’s down to the standard’s post processing.
SRAW undoubtedly looks better, I am not sure how you came to the conclusion that it was bad?
Again though, its not all about absolute crispy video, CLOG2 provides the R52 with a much nicer falloff in the highlights and shadows in my testing than CLOG3 in R5C. I think they could release a firmware update that does oversampled 4K in 50p for the R52 tbh and then there’d be no question.
Also at 3:38 I don’t know how you deliver your footage, but watching on TH-cam I honestly can’t tell the difference. Zooming 400% with original files obviously I can.
Shooting in daylight, you’d get much nicer highlights, its not all about low light performance.
I owned and shot probably 1200 GB every week since then. Here’s the short version. 4k60p line skipping a little better than the R5 mark 1. SRAW beautiful and sharp (not for everyone, he doesn’t understand raw clearly) cropped mode 4k60p very sharp oversampled from 5.1K I use it a lot actually. 4k120 looks identical to 60p. Not bad for social media, almost no one can’t tell the difference after TH-cam compression. 8k best in business. Overheating it’s better than before but still there in long shots mostly.
I do understand how raw works. I use it all the time. SRAW is terrible. The Cinema Raw light is amazing I use that every week. I get sharpness is not everything. Trust me I use the canon C70 which shoots softer footage. But the R52 the footage just looks terrible. I guess youtube failed at showing the difference in footage from the C70. I guess everyone would love to justify their purchase decision. I get it. And it's a big possibly that im spoiled with the image quality the C70 gives me and expecting that from the R52
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions Here's another well presented comparison between R52 and C70. R52 looks very favourable in SRAW.
are you getting the C80 now ?
Canon R6ii owner here, you should send the R5ii back and get an R6ii. The R8 has the same sensor as the R6ii so you’ll have a great A and B cam. The R6ii is best in its class for IBIS and low-light high ISO situations. No issues with overheating and great battery life. It’s also great for stills with really good dynamic range. Absolute workhorse… I love canon but am not a loyalist, getting ready to buy an FX3 soon.
I'm considering getting a second R6ii. I really like it a lot.
I'm watching R5ii reviews to see what I'd be getting into. Especially the points not a lot of people mention.
I mainly want the R5ii to replace my EOS-R for wedding pictures. But hey I like shooting video occasionally too so I need to know how it reacts.
@@SamFigueroa I must say although I don't own an R5ii my R5 and R5C both wipe the floor with my R6ii; the R6ii is a far inferior image in my humble opinion..
Honestly you could've looked that up before buying. I shoot mostly 4k60 with my R5C no problem, sounds like that would be the better camera for you.
Yikes.. I am curious about the comparison of the R5 II vs the R5C
Good info. Thanks for posting. Hope they fix in a firmware update, it should already have the processing power to do it correctly.
I knew the non oversampling would be a problem for a lot of people. Canon R5C is better option
yes you are right about 4k 60p, but rest of that, this camera is beast, with clog2, its scary close to c70, can shoot 8k raw, and its a photo camera too, so only downside is 4k 60, maybe they can fix it with firmware
I think this just sold me on getting the Nikon z8 instead of the r5 mkii
Wow I just got the R5II too lmao.
I’ll definitely test its 4k60 capabilities but I’m hoping it’s not as bad as you say.
I have the R6II which shares the same sensor as the R8, and you’re right, it’s 4k60p is immaculate. I just wish it had clog2 😢
If it ends up being crappy 4k60 i might return my r5ii 😅
Unfortunately it is very bad 4k 60. Did you purchase with B&H? If so your covered and have nothing to worry about within 30 days
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions I did Amazon which usually accepts returns.
I'll likely return it and save up for the c80 which is what I wanted more anyways haha.
Cheers Michael!
I suspected this is the case so thanks for your honesty. This is not a professional video camera. It is a consumer camera for video enthusiasts. You need active cooling to run 4K60p. R5C is the answer. It never overheated on me. Not even close. And I shoot outdoors in the summer in North Carolina. I also owned R8s and those overheated like nobody's business.
Yes as im sure you seen in my video. I use the C70 for all of my video work. I was showing the R8 as an example. I live and shoot in Florida. It is the hottest here lol. And the C70 handles it fine. This video was not about the over heating problem. It was about how bad the footage looks in 4k 60. As Im sure you seen in the video. I sent the R5 2 back and purchased the C400. Cant wait for that camera to be shipped.
its pixel binning mate from the sensor. the Sonys do this too dependant on crop modes.
ur 4K fine footage is so crispy cos its down sampling from a much higher resolution. The high framerate 4K options are only using 4K of the data. technical limitation of every hybrid camera. this is why we have cinema cameras.
did you think about the C80? its full frame now
or the incoming lumix S1hii wich you can adapt the lenses to it
Thanks for your honesty. Sticking to my r5! Probably will consider r5c ii.
Hi, did you try to report the issue to Canon?
I called B&H and let them know that I'm having the same issue.
The guys from Canon tech support are clueless. They said the camera has not been long enough for them to know about the issue.
Nobody knows if it can or will be fixed in a future update. The camera is so heavily marketed for video, that it shouldn't have this problem. It's not an issue with R5C or R6mii. Why would they cripple it?
Only 2 options left for now. Return it or bet 5k that it may be fixed later...
Unfortunately I dont think they will fix it later. I returned mine and have the C400 on the way. Yes the R6mii can do it because it over samples from 6k not 8k. Still a lame excuse but that is the reason. R5C can do it because that is actually a good camera lol.
That's what I was afraid of. I understand to make something better on top of what was already good, otherwise it defies the purpose.
There is another thing that nobody mentioned and I found missing.
For stills, R6ii could do a multi frame noise reduction jpeg, combining 4 shots. I could not find this option in the new R5ii.
What about 4k120? I didn't have a chance to test that.
It's the same as the 4k 120. Not that great at all.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions So 4K 120fps is line skipped? If so that sucks and makes this a no go for me. I know you have the C400 coming but if you get to try the R3 you will love it. Great AF and all oversampled. The dynamic range on the R3 beats the R5C and is close to the C70 dynamic range.
I use the Canon R5ii and I find the focus sharper than my R5. Call Canon and see what you are doing wrong. You might have a setting off. Also, use a 2tb card...
Not doing anything wrong. The camera just does not shoot good 4k 60. As I’m sure you seen in the video. I’ve already sent the camera back and purchased the c400
I always use a second card. Reason I didn’t have one in the video is because I was sending the camera back.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductionsYes you are correct,it was common knowledge months ago on canon USA comments , do your homework before you buy a camera . The c 400 is not weather sealed be careful using on a boat !
@@jamesparsons2676 Canon doesn't even have all the specs about the r5 II on the website. They have been shady about this camera since day one.
I’d say the R6ii is better for hybrid work, might not have 8k but it wont overheat
I agree with you. Ive shot with the R6ii and it had some great footage. Another reason why I was so confused.
That’s also what I wanted to say. R6II might be a better option if you don’t require 4k120. It has pre-roll which no other camera has in this price range.
You should have tried 4K 60p standard intra with AVCS because it's very detailed. This gives you very high data rates and has more detail. You seems to like over sharpened digital looking footage. You also didn't give the R5 II a chance to see what it can do.
I do not like digital sharpened looking footage. As you see in the video. None of my footage looks like that. I just don't like Muddy nasty looking footage. Like I said in the video. The 4k 30 fine looks amazing. I have the C80 with me now. Ive done a lot of test shooting with it already. The footage is amazing. In all formats. Honestly it sounds like you haven't seen good footage before. From my experience with TH-cam comments. The people that write comments like this purchased the camera and are not truly happy with it and looking for any video to justify the purchase. When I prove what is really happening. You get upset and write a comment like this. Don't try and bash me for calling a flaw out in this camera. A ton of people say the same thing. Not just me.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions he’s right.. that version of 4k 60 has enough bitrate and looks beautiful,
It is frustrating how very few major camera reviewers have mentioned about subsampled 4K60. Although I either use 25P or 100P but I understand 50/60P are critical for most of video users. And people always recommend A7Siii FX3 when it comes to video. Well in most cases they are probably OK, but after 4 years they are aging and lack a lot of features that others have, e.g. lower resolution, no animal autofocus, soft 4K120 and no pre-roll. Videography is just as vast, if not vaster, use case as photography. Recommendation should be use case centric and bespoke. Thanks for the great review BTW.
What program did u use to grade the c70 in those ocean scenes in the very beginning? What luts ?
Nice to watch this video before i order my R5 ii. Thank you i will little bit more for buying 🤘
Bought and returned the R5Mk2 for similar reasons you mentioned. Just was not it for a main video cam.
You can shoot 4k RAW 60fps, this is really sharp.
The SRAW is pretty bad in this camera if you watch the video. I show a couple of examples of that. :)
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions I own it and I like the sRAW in the camera, but I prefer 8K-RAW-LT 60fps.
Yes the 8k raw is amazing I agree
I use the SRaw 4K 60 and it looks incredible. I use it over my 6K RED camera
More megapixels in low light gives you more noise overall, not less. Thats why Sony “s” sensors are like 9 megapixels for low light.
I like mine. Works great but if u need a dedicated video mode cam. Fx3 c70 R5c would have been good choices
Yes as you seen If you watched the video. I own the Canon C70 and been using it for 4 years and the Canon C400 is on the way. So this is why I am so frustrated with the image quality on the R5 2 because I know what looks good. The Canon R5 mark II just sucks for any real video work. Totally get the appeal for photos though.
@@MichaelJohnsonProductions ditto I have the c400 coming as well. The R5MK2 is a great b/c cam and a quick run and gun. I wish the c70 sensor was a priority to canon. The Dgo tech is so amazing. A full frame version would have been nice
Ive been saying this for a long time. A Full Frame version of the C70 sensor would shut the camera market down lol. Everyone would have that camera and no other camera lol