When i told my girlfriend i had OSDD-1b, i tried to explain to her and she said "I know, I've seen Split". she's becoming more educated now, but that was a big yikes.
I believe my girlfriend has (undiagnosed) DID and I think she internalized these bad stereotypes. I don't think she (the host, with whom I'm in a relationship) has ever seen Split, but I know she knows Danganronpa and Total Drama, where in both cases there's a character with DID. In the case of Danganronpa, that was, of course, the problematic "two faced murderer" stereotype, but as for Mike from Total Drama, I'm not quite sure since I haven't watched whatever season they're in.
I often hear "Your trauma isn't bad enough to cause osdd" or "The same thing happened to me and I'm fine" I hate these statements with a burning passion, cause obviously my trauma was bad enough to cause osdd, cause here we are. Any repeated trauma can cause DID/OSDD, cause like you said, everyone's brains react differently. No should have to feel invalidated cause their trauma "Isn't bad enough" Edit!: SPLIT. I. HATE. IT. I hate when people go "oh that's from the movie Split!" NO. Us as a system recently watched Split so we could confirm how horrible it is. Spoiler alert, it was confirmed. We decided to make a video reacting to it so we could spread awareness about just how wrong it is. That video is currently being edited
true but what if its comign from myself like that feel when you keep beleiving you couldnt possibly have it cuz only some of the alters even remember the trauma clearly LMAO and then they front and ur like oh wait yup yup
Yes i feel that statement very deeply. I not only have been told that im whiny and my life is (and was) too good to be worth complaining about or having trauma...although like you said "here we are" Which in my case means several everydaylife trauma and OSDD with social phobia and anxiety that without OSDD would enable me to live my life... And still i basically have to argue with people that what I felt was invalid... So thank you for your comment! Also sadly even my therapist mentioned that he is suprirsed i have all the signs for DID (without amnesia) when my trauma didnt include the typical abuse. And he did settle with "emotional abuse and health related issues seemed to have been sufficient in your case" but i definitelly felt guilty when talking to him, because i felt like i didnt deserve to have DID by what he was implying. Thanks to this channel i think that OSDD might have been the descrption he was looking for. its not easy to feel like "my pain wasnt bad enough" through what should be a healing process
Split made people with DID/OSDD look like monsters, and we are NOT anything like that. I feel like someone should create a movie with someone that has DID/OSDD as the protagonist rather than the antagonist. I hate when people say that, it's so annoying and it makes me angry -Briars
@@hannahwhitman9876 It did, We saw that movie a long time ago, it's a horrible representation of the disorder, when we tell people we trust that we have DID they sometimes go "Oh, so you're evil, like the guy in split", We're like nah, It's just offensive to have a disorder degraded when a bunch of people have it - Bakugo
I thought my alters were just imaginary friends I created in my head when I was a child. And I thought I was just weird because I always would talk to my "friends" in my head whenever I was really stressed out. This continued even after I was an adult. It wasn't until I experienced an apartment fire that I had a complete break down and was diagnosis as dissociative did I realize they were actually real. I just thought they were my "fake" friends I had created to help me deal with hard stuff. It is still hard for me to accept my alters are real because for so long i just thought they were imaginary friends that carried over from my childhood. But after the fire I started switching a lot and it affected my job. And one of my alters is a very young child and would keep coming forward while I was at work, and I work with accounting logs, and whenever she came forward I was suddenly unable to do even basic math, and it got really bad there and I had to take several months off work. So if you are experiencing things seek help, don't wait like me until you have a major traumatic episode before you deal with it. It almost cost me my job.
i have autism and my hosts and most of my alters experience autism symptoms very heavily but I have a couple social alters that are better at acting neurotypical
I'm really glad you explained this! Sadly I can't really show it to the people I want because nobody wants to believe I was neglected or I've experienced trauma. I don't know if I have OSDD (I'm pretty sure I don't have DID) but this at least helps everybody around me understand these myths.
Thank you so much for this. As a newly discovered system.. this means so much to ALL of us. We appreciate your dedication to the community so very much
I've recently made friends with a few people with DID so I figure it's a good idea to look into what is and isn't true about the disorder in order to properly respect them and any future systems I may meet. As someone with autism, I know personally that mental health disorders tend to be riddled with stereotypes and misconceptions even to this day.
I, the host, am autistic (and got bullied for it, so I guess thats our trauma?) but some of the alters show absolutely NO sign of it (it's their role I guess, they help me to function in a neurotypical world) and when I didn't know I had autism/osdd, I thought I was just having real bad social anxiety that just acted up some days. It was so confusing 🙈
I'm kinda late but yeah I think I might have OSDD-1b but can it also be possible to have it but not always know that you switched and just be like ,,okay I feel different in this body so I guess I'm not [alter] so who is fronting right now?"?
love this video! :D I have always worried my trauma isn't enough and that it wasn't that bad becuz I wasn't beat every day or went thru CSA. this video was really validating especially after yesterday when our DID "friend" called us a malingerer(someone who fakes illness to get out of work) and said we were faking DID and that we didn't have childhood trauma. it was incredibly invalidating especially coming from someone we thought was our friend for like 2 years. we know we went thru a lot of medical trauma due to surgeries starting at 8-10 months old and still into adulthood (lots of physical and mental disabilities born with). as well as chronic invalidation (therapist said it counted as trauma) some physical abuse from child daycare people and a little bit from dad as well verbal and emotional abuse from basically everyone our entire lives. I didn't discover any alters til I was 16-17 years old and wasn't diagnosed til about 18 years old after an incident at school and some testing. but yea really like your videos!
I can kinda relate to you. I’m no adult yet and far from being diagnosed but I would not be surprised is a bunch of invalidation has to do with it. I got some pretty annoying depression stuff I’ve also been dealing with for years cause of it so it wouldn’t be surprising. 😅 (Edit) my best friend also instantly denied I had any kind of did or osdd and said the its not really and man did that make me feel worst.
I've been having trouble bringing up to my grandmother that I most likely have OSDD-1b (the only reason I don't say I do is that I don't want to jump to conclusions as I'm not a professional), and she said a bunch of stuff trying to deny it such as "you don't act any different" (even though she hardly is around me all day at all). It's been eating at me all day and I was at the point in which I almost believed her because of my anxiety and all the stress and panic that came from a lack of actual support. Watching this video eased my conscious. Thank you for your content so much.
❤️ I'm so glad it was helpful. It's really hard when people in your life you care about don't believe your experiences. I hope that she comes around soon, and if not, stay strong ❤️
I actually lived with my dad who had DiD (referred to as ...something else I won’t name at the time), and even I didn’t know all of these. Thank you for teaching me these new things :3
Sooo.. Kinda weird kinda looking for advice... Basically this morning someone on tumblr asked if I was a system bc of the way I talk about my brain. I initially said no bc I was only familiar with DID and I don't have dissociative amnesia. They said I should look into OSDD though.. And I'm thinking of looking into diagnosis. I'm 16, and more recently I started to notice these vague things I've just been calling "episodes" where I just like,,, change and afterwards it's like that's not really me.. I couldn't imitate it bc in that state I'd do stuff I normally wouldn't do. I've also always felt like my thoughts were usually a conversation between 2 people, and occasionally when it was only one voice its really confusing and I miss the other a lot, it makes it hard to focus. I've always struggled to represent myself as one character when drawing and stuff. Anyways I obviously did look up OSDD and it clicked a lot but my case also feels kinda different from most. For the most part it feels like there's only 2 alters and most of the time they're co conscious, generally with one fronting while the other just kinda chills. There's at least one more that I think is a seperate alter that only comes around in those extreme stress "episodes". Anywayyyys idk I was just wondering if that sounds plausible or if it sounds like something else :)
I'm not a therapist and don't know you so I cannot diagnose you, but I do resonate with your descriptions as a community member from my own personal experience. I'd say it's plausible, but it's up to you (and any therapists you end up with) to make that decision! :)
to add onto your last point about osdd-1b... with osdd-1a, the parts are much less differentiated (I believe they're called fragments rather than alters, but don't take my word for it). just in case anyone wanted to know. ANYWAY thank you for this video! as someone with osdd-1b, it's nice to see it actually get mentioned/talked about online, as it's not brought up very often in comparison to DID.
Regarding inner worlds: I've heard some people say they like doing stuff in their inner world so do alters remember what they've been doing in the inner world when they come forward? Also if you dont have an inner world to begin with, what do the alters do in there if they aren't near the front?
Sometimes alters can remember, sometimes they can't! We don't ever really remember innerworld stuff while fronting, but we have friends who can. If you don't have an inner world, you just kinda... exist? Hope that helps ❤️
How can a system build an inner world? At what point does an alter become aware of the inner world and how does that work? Does being in the inner world feel like vivid dreaming? Also, in cases where someone with DID/OSDD doesn't find out about their disorder until adulthood, do their alters know that they are part of a system and just hide it from the host? Or does each alter think they are the host and don't realize they're part of the system?
Hi! I’m planning on making a whole video about inner worlds, and another about building one (as we have!) My alters knew we were a system before I (the host) did, but it really varies system by system. Sometimes new alters split with no idea about the system, and sometimes they come already knowing!
Thank you so much for this video, especially the not judging people for whether they're fake I've seen a lot of exclusionary behaviour from some others in communities, even some systems laughing at others over how they identify, and I always think that this seems incredibly damaging, especially if you don't know what that person has been through - so having that comment said is really helpful. You can't tell whether another person is fake or not because you can't possibly know what their own experience is unless they detail it out for you So, thanks, this was really great and hopefully is enlightening and educational for others - Frey of the Locke system
We have two alters who are dating. Its very cute tbh. Edit: We had an integration that happened overnight. It was painful for everyone and we weren't prepared for it. Our therapist seems to agree it happened and is real. I'm very curious as to why you think it cant happen spontaneously. Edit2: unless by spontaneously you mean within seconds. Bc it definately didn't take months or even days but it definately took hours. I am the result of that integration. And Dani did not want to integrate even though Wander did.....idk its just our experience. 🍀
Hello! To answer the question, I meant spontaneously as in "no therapy work and/or no trauma processing." I should've clarified! It does happen that in the process of therapy and trauma processing that alters can integrate rather suddenly and unexpectedly as part of the process. I hope that helps clear things up! Please let me know if this still doesn't line up, good research is based on the experience of those who have DID/OSDD and if it conflicts then it's always the research that's in the wrong and needs correction :)
@@TheRingsSystem Well. Idk. We arent aiming for integration as a goal. It just sorta happened. It was like he didnt want to exist anymore. We all got in a huge fight and then that night it happened before we were ready. He was a fictive if that helps anything and possibly an ep but our sysmates dont fit those boxes very well. Dani was our host. He didnt really hold any trauma from this life. Just his own. Im also beginning to wonder if I instead just split off Dani as they and wander both went dormant. This is our first conscious integration so we are very confused about the whole thing. 🍀
Ok I did a deep dive into research and honestly I think Wander tricked us. Because I dont hold any memories from him. Apparently him tricking us was enough to break me off and make dani go dormant? And I guess I'm just the new host now? God why did he have to do this?? On the other hand, maybe they did integrate and I'm just the part of Dani who didn't want to integrate....??? Hhhhhhhhh 🍀
New sub here 🙋 Found your system channel thru the recommendations feed while watching DissociaDid! Really enjoyed this and some others you've done. You've covered alot of interesting topics and addressed a myriad of questions surrounding the DID/OSDD. Keep it up!!
Thank you so much for this video and your other videos. They have really helped me come to terms with what I believe I may be going through in regards to most likely having OSDD 1-b. Your videos always help me feel validated when I think "I'm faking" or, "I'm making up these memories or flashbacks," or just that I'm totally crazy haha. So thank you, I really appreciate your videos and think you guys are truly wonderful people. I'm really glad you cleared up these misconceptions. I even had some of these myself. Having the wrong information would make me feel less valid and that somehow I'm "doing it wrong". I know I'm not "doing" anything, but I often feel in denial (pretty new to all of this). It's really important that the truth is out there and it's great that you cleared up these misconceptions. Also, Split is honestly a huge let down. I remember when it came out I was excited to see a movie about DID but ended up very disappointed, even more so when I learned more about DID.
Hm. Writing a story that involves a "system" and- I'm surprised I got a lot right. Raven and Jessica are their own people, check, they have an inner world that they had to create over time, check, sometimes fronting is voluntary, sometimes not, check, different desires and experiences, check (she is a mutant in the story so this amounts to different abilities because they have different training)- yes there is an inner struggle, but it's not because one is evil, they just have different enough views of the world that they have to fight it out. I guess the "hero" of the story is Jessica, who isn't the first personality, per say, but she does become more dominant. Jessica split off at the physical age of four so that's probably a tad wonky, but it was trauma related. (In story the two alters are not psychology experts so yes, they themselves are often not aware of what is or can happen. For instance, when getting ready to leave their prison (hence the trauma) Raven becomes afraid Jessica will die when their mind no longer has a reason to fracture and make her- doesn't happen, but there's no way Raven could have understood it wasn't a possibility. It's scifi fantasy so, no, its not fully accurate- as ya know- narrative purpose doesn't exist in the real world at all so- anything dependent on it doesn't either. Fiction and reality are ALWAYS different. But I did start out with the idea of wanting people to care about both "alters" and ended up creating a decent replication of reality- hm.
i've watching your videos for a month now after discovering i'm plural a few months ago during a weed trip. recently, these past weeks have been more clarified with me being a system. while having some doubts/denials here and there... this video has actually,, helped a lot with what i dealt with my entire life. i still feel like i'm progressing my knowledge of my members and overall system, but i have dealt with repeated emotional abuse at 8-9 years old that ended around 15, as well as a disturbing memory i can't for the life of me remember what happened. i've already been born with genetic autism, adhd and bpd, as well as anxiety and depression. being 21 now,,, discovering that i have 12 members of our system, our ways of coping with switching/how our brain works. all that. wow. thank you so much for creating the videos that you do Rings System
i'm currently really confused- i dissociate and then feel like a different person, but i can never pinpoint who, what, when, where and why, and its all really confusing ;; i have memories of my past when i do this but i dont know if its a switch or just me zoning out
You just slammed down all the reasons I told myself I can’t be a system 😭 I have an appointment with my therapist Tuesday and I’m going to bring this up
Hey I‘m from Switzerland. I suffer from mental illness issues since I was 6 or 7. I‘m 24 now. I got so many diagnoses which even are contradictory to each other. A few years ago i discovered Stories from DID Systems. I knew I don‘t have it, cause I‘m missing sone severe key symptoms. two Weeks ago I discoverd your Channel and startet researching about osdd-1b and was blown away. I could releat to so much! But i will never finde Out if i have it becaus its just not a thing in Switzerland. We don‘t use the DSM 5 we use the ICD 10 and nothing in there speaks about osdd. I wish i could travle to Amarica to meat an osdd/did specialised Psychiatrist to see if it would be an answer to me. I don‘t want to selfdiagnose me. Because I think selfe diagnosing can be very dangerous. I just wish I could talk with someone who is an expert in this feld. (sorry for my bad english)
I totally understand. I hope you guys find someone who can properly diagnose you guys, and I would encourage you to see someone who specializes in DID in your area, just in case! Many DID therapists here have told me that they treat DID and OSDD very similarly. Love of love to you ❤️
Thank you for your kind and educational videos, Ring System. You make the impression of a really inclusive, open group and that's why I enjoy watching your videos! I myself am relatively new to the plural community and am thinking about possibly being plural myself. I was thinking that since I was 6, honestly, and my main persona fronted the first time when I was at my new elementary school and felt safe for the very first time, but yeah, that's a whole other story. What I realized though, when I was crusading through the plural community, was, how extraordinarily DID-heavy those communities were and I didn't really feel welcome or valid enough to be part of all that. However, I believe your community is pretty chill, so I'd like to share an experience, and maybe there are other people who can relate to me, who knows, so. I always thought I didn't have amnesia during "those" episodes, when I was a child, but now, I'm slowly questioning whether I do have amnesia, because I can very hardly remember some parts of my life and when some snippets come through, it's often very irritating for me either that, or it was during my flashback episodes and after that, the memories fade again. But somehow, I still roughly knew what happened, I just couldn't remember. It's comparable with the fact that I knew what happened in WWII, all the details, even what happened in the camps, and when I was visiting a camp in Germany, I knew what historically happened but obviously, I don't have the memories of those victims and survivors. And that's the same with some stuff that happened throughout my life. I factually knew what happened roughly, but it felt like textbook knowledge, but the emotionally charged memories weren't there. Does anyone know, what I mean or am I the only one, haha? And well, yapped enough, so I hope you have a good day. Signing out!
A "few" months late, but I must say I liked this video. You've got yourself a new subscriber. Going to check out your other videos over the course of the weekend, and I'm looking forward to learning more about OSDD. :)
Great list, thank you! She good info on there. There's one though that I'd like to clarify a little. Integration isn't spontaneous per se, but it can feel that way, because it can happen unconsciously. Basically, you've all been doing the work to set up that integration without realizing that's what's going to result. For example, it's possible to integrate before you really understand what's going on or have a diagnosis or words to describe being multiple. That being said, it will requires certain changes (just like when a new alter forms), so it isn't just random or for no reason.
Omg I'm only five minutes in and this is so good. Thank you so much for making this video. I don't want assume, but it's almost like you've been living with it too. Therapy/first hand experience helps you learn so much.
I had severe trauma starting from the age of mainly 6-7 lasting many years, I just recently discovered what OSDD is and I feel like I may have it (Dissociative disorders have been on the table with my therapist but we've never really explored them before..) but i'm 17. Is it ok to not realize you may be a system until later in life? I've had symptoms and things i don't feel comfortable to explain on YT but always brushed them off of everyone is like that or im faking it
Yeah!! Heck yeah!! You're actually super young to realize it!! Most people realize in their 20's-30's, and some don't realize until they are 40, 50, or later!
Given how hard the mind tries to convince you it doesn't exist, even if you can hear alter voices, it's not a surprise that it can take years, even decades to find out.
I am so glad for this video, because I've had a lot of misconceptions and over time I've been dispelling them by educating myself. I was told a lot of complete BS as a brainwashed child about different disorders and experiences, and it's been amazing to relearn everything and be like, hey, these are actually very normal people and not whatever I imagined them to be. Last week I got on a dissociative disorder kick I guess - I enjoy topics in psychology, super interesting stuff. I'm still wary of the idea of dissociation, but since I was diagnosed with cptsd, I probably experience it and just don't identify with the usual descriptions of dissociation. But that's besides the point, the point is, great video! I'll subscribe. Edit: was already subscribed, lol I guess I forgot XD
I once thought my headmates were some sort of imaginary public. Wouldn't say friends bc I constantly acted as if I was being in a tv show bc of them. I am still seeking a diagnosis tho, so idk if we really are a system.
We have not made it yet, but it's scripted! If you message us on any social media platform (insta, twitter, tumblr, links in descriptions of videos) we will send you the script :)
I'm a questioning system. I'm leaning towards OSDD1B, but I'm not sure yet. I first discovered my system at the age of 10, back when I thought that they were just voices in my head. I even used the voices for roleplays. In 2020, I discovered three of my alters upon hearing a friend talk about their system discovery, but then began denying because of the rise of TikTok faking and seeing people rip them apart by explaining that my symptoms weren’t actually DID. This year, I rediscovered the system and this video is helping me fight back the urge to supress them. I do try to hide it in school, though. I am curious, is it possible to be covert AND overt depending on where you are?
Yes! Message us on any social media platform, and we can send you a script that we've written out about how we build ours. Links to other social media are in the description of every video :)
A question or two: Is the inner world something that the system chooses to create (such as they choose what it looks like, mansion vs apartment, etc) How do you feel others should react when someone tells them about their disorder. Obviously there's the want to be open and understanding, but are there any specifics anyone knows of to try and follow?
1. It actually varies. Some systems come with an inner world and can't change it, and others built it themselves and get to design it! And, some systems (this is us) come with one but build another anyways for whatever reason. 2. Probably just a "thanks for telling me. Is there anything I need to know or do in order to best support you?" I always recommend research, but you're already here so you're doing a great job in that category! :)
So glad that we found your channel! We have a question about trauma related things. Could one big single event that happens when someone is young, (along with ‘smaller’ traumatic experiences such as emotional abuse (and btw we don’t want to diminish the horridness of any form of abuse, this is just what we’ve experienced)) pave the way to DID/OSDD? We’re led to believe that our Original (who barely speaks anymore because of their desire to disappear) suffers from Abandonment issues because they (and therefore the rest of us) were abandoned and then adopted at a very very young age.We think it’s possible that they created the rest of us gradually because of that and other trauma/severe bullying. We’d appreciate it if you could get back to us! Thank you~ - The Rogue System
Repetitive trauma that the brain is unable to handle is what causes DID/OSDD (even things generally thought of as 'smaller trauma' like emotional abuse/neglect). There's no line that determines what is or isn't enough to cause DID/OSDD, as it all depends on each individual. I'm not a professional, so determining how your trauma interacted with your brain and the impacts of that are best known between you and a therapist :)
It is a ok to date in system. I mean heck We got 2 married couples 1 couple that flirts all the time but "isn't dating" yeah right. And 1 mate pair, which is the term we use for the wolves cause they dont like married so we use mates.
I have a question about integration: you said that integration inherently takes a lot of work from both alters, but I've heard of some systems who had unexpected integrations, so then that assumption doesn't work right?
It actually still holds - if you're doing a lot of trauma processing on both ends, and alters have put in a lot of work towards healing, it's possible for alters to be able to quickly and rather unexpectedly integrate. Integration might also have been something the alters in question have been quietly working towards, without talking to the rest of the system about it :)
In OSDD can the host/dominant alter be replaced by what until that point has only been a passively influencing part of limited agency? Can there be a case that due to change in the system or an external trigger, the part that this far existed with little to no agency all of a sudden takes over the executive system and body and takes the place of the host?
the myth of "you're unlikely to meet a system" feels funny (for lack of a better term) now that I learned that my girlfriend is a system. She has only one alter afaik but they certainly have a lot to learn. I have only encountered the host but I fully understand why she doesn't want the other one to front. Also, is there a French term for DID that isn't just calqued MPD? I'm looking for a term that isn't as awful as the outdated label.
Is bullying just at school the type of trauma that can cause it....? I don't have DID. I'm sure. But I didn't know the diagnosis of OSDD existed until literally an hour ago.
I'm currently questioning if I have a dissociative disorder because I've had what I call "phases" when I was one person, with one set of opinions and values, and then something would happen and I would change into this other person with very different set of values. But these "phases" (of fronting) could last for a year, so I don't know if that's possible (other alters would then be dormant, I guess)?
can trauma form at age 10? bc i remember severe cyber bullying at age 10 and wonder if that counts, or if maybe some other kind of trauma happened at a younger age. i do suspect i may be a css victim and not remember?? idk if i have bpd or osdd. or both heck. ive always been fascinated by did and found it relateable but assumed i didnt have it so now im like aaaa??? the only "identity" im really aware of is a fictive, which is why i assumed he formed from bpd or something and wasnt an alter, but something else, but after speaking to my friend with did im unsure :') we're pretty similar to each other, at least i think we are?? and he's also my favorite character which is also why i assUMED ITS NOT AN ALTER BUT NOW I DONT KNOW AND THE MORE I RESEARCH OSDD AND DID THE MORE I RELATE AND THINGS START TO MAKE SENSE HECK. whenever i discover a new disorder that fits me i kinda obsess over it so im gonna try my best to lay off but i have adhd so that probably wont happen lol. if i do have osdd i think i have a little?? idk anything about them but they seem to have come out sometimes when i went to therapy, and sometimes after mental breakdowns. it also seems like if i do have alters theyre usually if not always coconscious? i definitely went through a lot of trauma as a tween and its around that time i got into the tv show this potential fictive is from, so... that makes sense. but can a fictive even be a main alter? how do you even become aware of other alters? and is it a thing for people with alters to always feel as if theyre being watched and judged by... someone? or is that just a paranoia thing from some other disorder of mine? this potential fictive also definitely isnt the exact same as the fictional character hes based off of and has a kind of separate sense of self?? just to clarify i guess. man discovering i might not be a "singlet" is concerning but it also explains my indecisiviness and fluctuating everything, and my confusion with my gender and sexuality lol anyway sorry for rambling if you read this askskkfkf
Hello! There's a couple sources that put the age of development as late at 10, but it's also possible there could be stuff you don't remember. At the end of the day I can't tell you anything about whether your trauma is valid or not - but it also doesn't quite matter. You don't need to know what caused DID/OSDD to be valid (we talk about this in a recent video about not remembering your trauma) so I'd just focus on what you're experiencing now, seeing a therapist if you can, and figuring out what helps you(rselves) live a better daily life ❤️❤️
i hadn't thought about it much yet, but with what you were saying about co-morbidities in mental health conditions, i'm wondering now if, the same way we are all living with the genetic slight hearing deficiency of the body and autism, if we also are all trans(being trans is not a mental health condition, just want to be clear about that). i (Sosh) am more femme-leaning nonbinary, whereas Lith is more "futch" (a portmanteau of femme and butch), but yeah I know we are both trans. it doesn't seem like anyone is in any way distressed since deciding that HRT was the right path for bringing the body more in line with Sosh and Lith's gender identities. Going on 3 months now.
“people with did are always obvious and easy to spot”. also “people with did will never realize or even consider they have did”. the math ain’t mathin.
I'm confused about the "DID can't be formed in adulthood" part of it. I thought that the theory of structural dissociation (the part about identities being integrated from 6 to 9 years old) was only one *theory* and it's not the only way to conceive of DID? I thought that "DID can only form between 6-9 years old" WAS the misconception 😅 Maybe something has changed in the past 4 years?
just to keep in mind if you live in the uk the percentage of people with red hair is 15% in ireland 13% in scotland 12% in england and 9% in whales so the chances of you knowing someone with red hair and did/osdd are not the same IF you live in the UK
I hid my computer from my mom for 4 years ever since 9 that I was chatting online. My computer screen was turned so everyone could see I always had to watch over my shoulder when I was distracted by a game which was really stressful. Could this cause OSDD-1b or can repetitive seizures ever since I was 3 cause OSDD-1b? I do feel like there is other people in my head and I do have "switches" and after I come back, I feel there was someone else with different styles, gender, different likes and dislikes in my head. If it is not OSDD-1b then what is it? I do have split personalities, I do have voices in my head that I can talk with, I do have dissociations, I do have mixed feelings sometimes like someone else dislikes it, I do like we instead of I, I do have blending situations, I do have a very fluid sexuality, and when I go back to my normal self I know that was not me doing those things, liking those things, and saying those things.
We have another video on types of trauma that cause DID: and spoiler alert, anything can. Trauma severity is not defined by “what happened” and is defined by how it impacted you - which is influenced by how you were supported, and whether you were in a safe environment to process it. Trauma is trauma because of it’s emotional impact, not the “what” of “what happened.” As always, there’s a possibility that there’s stuff you don’t remember (there's also another video on not needing to remember your trauma to be valid!) but please please don’t go digging for it. It’s dangerous to look for trauma without a therapist. You to have to experienced trauma to have DID/OSDD specifically, but it’s totally valid to have absolutely 0 memories of it. Our advice is to not focus on this stuff, and what might've "caused" it. Whatever happened or didn’t happen in the past is what it is - BUT, you still have the same symptoms you’re experiencing now. Figuring out your past, or whether it’s “bad enough” doesn’t change what you’re experiencing NOW - so focus on that. Focus on finding coping mechanisms that work to help you get through the day. Focus on taking lots of notes! There’s a reason why dealing with trauma is phase two, often years into DID/OSDD therapy. Don’t worry about it right now ❤️
So like, I have 1b, but I can't think of anything specific that happened to me between 6-9 or before. I mean, I guess I can't really remember most stuff before age 14 but like. I guess something must have happened to me? I mean my parents have always been... Awful. I dunno where I'm going with this. The fact that it has to be before 6-9 and the only really traumatic thing I can remember happening in my childhood lasted from about 10-14, but yet the 8 of us exist is... Worrying. How does one cope with it? Do I need to uncover these potential memories in order to heal? (Not integrate, but just heal)
Hiya! Please be really careful with trying to uncover traumatic memories. Going digging without professional help can be dangerous in multiple different ways. Healing is also a non-linear journey - it's never that you do one thing and ta-da! you're healed and good. There's plenty of things you can work on outside of/before you get to severe trauma uncovering/processing.
@@TheRingsSystem Thank you 💕 and yeah I wouldn't try going through stuff on my own, I'm still recovering from accidentally uncovering a memory last year of an event 5 years ago. We'll be safe. Promise. Tbh, this was typed out in a haze at about 3am so I appreciate you taking the time to decode it ^^'
Stay safe 💕 We're still missing a lot of memories too. It's a common system experience, and it's 100% ok to wait to uncover them. You're valid, and don't ever feel bad for missing parts of your childhood! 💕
@@TheRingsSystem Thank you. It's hard sometimes. Also btw your colored rings for switches idea is really good and we're gonna get some rings now so our lovely spouse can tell us apart better ^_^
Repetitive trauma has to occur before the age of (around) 6-9ish. However, you can realize you have DID at any point in your life, and many folks with DID repress their trauma and don't remember anything.
I have a hard time seeing when there are switches or different alter in my friends and see it as homogeneous. I myself have major acting and mood swings, maybe thats why. Are the differences between alters characterized by something or is it different from each system?
They can build them, usually with the guidance of someone who knows how. Just like with systems, it can provide an inner mindscape to retreat to when you need a place to be calm, except with only them. It's similar to visualization meditation, but really concrete!
I know this is an old video but I was wondering as a newly discovered system, as the host I can't switch out fully, I can be co-fronting without control of the body or have some function but I never end up in the headspace, always present. I wanted to know if this is normal or due to a lack of communication. Can you be an OSDD system and not 'switch'?
😂 so it’s just like split? Omg Lmao. It’s a good movie in the thriller sense but in accuracy it is far from the truth. I wouldn’t rely on that movie to introduce even the thought of DID as it could be dangerous. People could think were gonna kidnap someone and try to hurt people. I really hope the stigma lessens so this never happens to others. -Joy
The term system bothers me because the word system to me implies inanimate things like fuel system or computer system ....you are human being far superior to inanimate systems, Another term that bothers me is host. In biology class I was taught parasites have a host that they feed off of. My understanding of alters is that they help rather than feed off or take away from the host.If this comment is ignorant I apologize.
Hello! hopefully I can explain a bit. these terms have been in the community for a long time and have become very meaningful! 1. While the word system does tend to give off that feel at first glance because inanimate systems are most well known, there are organic systems by nature too - such as an ecosystem or the digestive system. Really, system implies a collection of parts that all function together as a whole, and all have their place and role in making sure the everything runs smoothly. The dictionary definition is "a set of things working together as parts of a mechanism or an interconnecting network," and that's exactly what we are - Just like an ecosystem, we all have our roles in the system community - and if any part was artificially taken away, it would damage the health of the whole. [not that an alter can be artificially taken away, but you get the idea] 2. Host is used in a lot of settings, and the analogy actually came from a human setting - such as the host of a party, or the host of a radio show. Both have very social connotations, and being in that role takes a lot of work - and feels similar to how alters in the role of host sometimes feel! Host are usually very social alters and have to balance multiple aspects of daily life. While there are alternatives such as "main fronter" or "front runner," host is by far most commonly used and personally my favorite. Hope that helps :)
Hey uhm, is it considewed Covewt DID if chu twy to hide it, but sometimes swip up and accidentawwy speak diffewentwy? Cause das weally hawd fow me to speak nowmawwy, and it huwts my head >n
Yeah!! I know of a 30ish year old system who's in an online community space with us, and we went to a system meet up last month with two senior systems, and plenty of late 20's and early 30's systems :)
When i told my girlfriend i had OSDD-1b, i tried to explain to her and she said "I know, I've seen Split". she's becoming more educated now, but that was a big yikes.
That is a yikes! I'm glad she's gotten better ❤️
I believe my girlfriend has (undiagnosed) DID and I think she internalized these bad stereotypes. I don't think she (the host, with whom I'm in a relationship) has ever seen Split, but I know she knows Danganronpa and Total Drama, where in both cases there's a character with DID. In the case of Danganronpa, that was, of course, the problematic "two faced murderer" stereotype, but as for Mike from Total Drama, I'm not quite sure since I haven't watched whatever season they're in.
I often hear "Your trauma isn't bad enough to cause osdd" or "The same thing happened to me and I'm fine"
I hate these statements with a burning passion, cause obviously my trauma was bad enough to cause osdd, cause here we are. Any repeated trauma can cause DID/OSDD, cause like you said, everyone's brains react differently. No should have to feel invalidated cause their trauma "Isn't bad enough"
Edit!: SPLIT. I. HATE. IT.
I hate when people go "oh that's from the movie Split!" NO. Us as a system recently watched Split so we could confirm how horrible it is. Spoiler alert, it was confirmed. We decided to make a video reacting to it so we could spread awareness about just how wrong it is. That video is currently being edited
true but what if its comign from myself like that feel when you keep beleiving you couldnt possibly have it cuz only some of the alters even remember the trauma clearly LMAO and then they front and ur like oh wait yup yup
Yes i feel that statement very deeply. I not only have been told that im whiny and my life is (and was) too good to be worth complaining about or having trauma...although like you said "here we are" Which in my case means several everydaylife trauma and OSDD with social phobia and anxiety that without OSDD would enable me to live my life... And still i basically have to argue with people that what I felt was invalid...
So thank you for your comment!
Also sadly even my therapist mentioned that he is suprirsed i have all the signs for DID (without amnesia) when my trauma didnt include the typical abuse. And he did settle with "emotional abuse and health related issues seemed to have been sufficient in your case" but i definitelly felt guilty when talking to him, because i felt like i didnt deserve to have DID by what he was implying. Thanks to this channel i think that OSDD might have been the descrption he was looking for.
its not easy to feel like "my pain wasnt bad enough" through what should be a healing process
Split made people with DID/OSDD look like monsters, and we are NOT anything like that. I feel like someone should create a movie with someone that has DID/OSDD as the protagonist rather than the antagonist. I hate when people say that, it's so annoying and it makes me angry
-Briars
@@hannahwhitman9876 It did, We saw that movie a long time ago, it's a horrible representation of the disorder, when we tell people we trust that we have DID they sometimes go "Oh, so you're evil, like the guy in split", We're like nah, It's just offensive to have a disorder degraded when a bunch of people have it
- Bakugo
I thought my alters were just imaginary friends I created in my head when I was a child. And I thought I was just weird because I always would talk to my "friends" in my head whenever I was really stressed out. This continued even after I was an adult. It wasn't until I experienced an apartment fire that I had a complete break down and was diagnosis as dissociative did I realize they were actually real. I just thought they were my "fake" friends I had created to help me deal with hard stuff. It is still hard for me to accept my alters are real because for so long i just thought they were imaginary friends that carried over from my childhood. But after the fire I started switching a lot and it affected my job. And one of my alters is a very young child and would keep coming forward while I was at work, and I work with accounting logs, and whenever she came forward I was suddenly unable to do even basic math, and it got really bad there and I had to take several months off work. So if you are experiencing things seek help, don't wait like me until you have a major traumatic episode before you deal with it. It almost cost me my job.
“If you know someone with red hair you probably know someone with DID or OSDD”
Shit son guess im a Double whammy
i have autism and my hosts and most of my alters experience autism symptoms very heavily but I have a couple social alters that are better at acting neurotypical
So do we! :)
I'm really glad you explained this! Sadly I can't really show it to the people I want because nobody wants to believe I was neglected or I've experienced trauma. I don't know if I have OSDD (I'm pretty sure I don't have DID) but this at least helps everybody around me understand these myths.
Thank you so much for this. As a newly discovered system.. this means so much to ALL of us. We appreciate your dedication to the community so very much
Oh my g o d your system name is soooo cuuuute
I've recently made friends with a few people with DID so I figure it's a good idea to look into what is and isn't true about the disorder in order to properly respect them and any future systems I may meet. As someone with autism, I know personally that mental health disorders tend to be riddled with stereotypes and misconceptions even to this day.
I, the host, am autistic (and got bullied for it, so I guess thats our trauma?) but some of the alters show absolutely NO sign of it (it's their role I guess, they help me to function in a neurotypical world) and when I didn't know I had autism/osdd, I thought I was just having real bad social anxiety that just acted up some days. It was so confusing 🙈
ME TOO, except i have adhd and possibly osdd
Mmmmh relatable
Us too
I'm kinda late but yeah
I think I might have OSDD-1b but can it also be possible to have it but not always know that you switched and just be like ,,okay I feel different in this body so I guess I'm not [alter] so who is fronting right now?"?
Yup!
love this video! :D I have always worried my trauma isn't enough and that it wasn't that bad becuz I wasn't beat every day or went thru CSA. this video was really validating especially after yesterday when our DID "friend" called us a malingerer(someone who fakes illness to get out of work) and said we were faking DID and that we didn't have childhood trauma. it was incredibly invalidating especially coming from someone we thought was our friend for like 2 years. we know we went thru a lot of medical trauma due to surgeries starting at 8-10 months old and still into adulthood (lots of physical and mental disabilities born with). as well as chronic invalidation (therapist said it counted as trauma) some physical abuse from child daycare people and a little bit from dad as well verbal and emotional abuse from basically everyone our entire lives. I didn't discover any alters til I was 16-17 years old and wasn't diagnosed til about 18 years old after an incident at school and some testing. but yea really like your videos!
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I can kinda relate to you. I’m no adult yet and far from being diagnosed but I would not be surprised is a bunch of invalidation has to do with it. I got some pretty annoying depression stuff I’ve also been dealing with for years cause of it so it wouldn’t be surprising. 😅
(Edit) my best friend also instantly denied I had any kind of did or osdd and said the its not really and man did that make me feel worst.
I've been having trouble bringing up to my grandmother that I most likely have OSDD-1b (the only reason I don't say I do is that I don't want to jump to conclusions as I'm not a professional), and she said a bunch of stuff trying to deny it such as "you don't act any different" (even though she hardly is around me all day at all). It's been eating at me all day and I was at the point in which I almost believed her because of my anxiety and all the stress and panic that came from a lack of actual support. Watching this video eased my conscious. Thank you for your content so much.
❤️ I'm so glad it was helpful. It's really hard when people in your life you care about don't believe your experiences. I hope that she comes around soon, and if not, stay strong ❤️
I actually lived with my dad who had DiD (referred to as ...something else I won’t name at the time), and even I didn’t know all of these. Thank you for teaching me these new things :3
Sooo.. Kinda weird kinda looking for advice... Basically this morning someone on tumblr asked if I was a system bc of the way I talk about my brain. I initially said no bc I was only familiar with DID and I don't have dissociative amnesia. They said I should look into OSDD though.. And I'm thinking of looking into diagnosis. I'm 16, and more recently I started to notice these vague things I've just been calling "episodes" where I just like,,, change and afterwards it's like that's not really me.. I couldn't imitate it bc in that state I'd do stuff I normally wouldn't do. I've also always felt like my thoughts were usually a conversation between 2 people, and occasionally when it was only one voice its really confusing and I miss the other a lot, it makes it hard to focus. I've always struggled to represent myself as one character when drawing and stuff. Anyways I obviously did look up OSDD and it clicked a lot but my case also feels kinda different from most. For the most part it feels like there's only 2 alters and most of the time they're co conscious, generally with one fronting while the other just kinda chills. There's at least one more that I think is a seperate alter that only comes around in those extreme stress "episodes". Anywayyyys idk I was just wondering if that sounds plausible or if it sounds like something else :)
I'm not a therapist and don't know you so I cannot diagnose you, but I do resonate with your descriptions as a community member from my own personal experience. I'd say it's plausible, but it's up to you (and any therapists you end up with) to make that decision! :)
to add onto your last point about osdd-1b... with osdd-1a, the parts are much less differentiated (I believe they're called fragments rather than alters, but don't take my word for it). just in case anyone wanted to know.
ANYWAY thank you for this video! as someone with osdd-1b, it's nice to see it actually get mentioned/talked about online, as it's not brought up very often in comparison to DID.
Regarding inner worlds: I've heard some people say they like doing stuff in their inner world so do alters remember what they've been doing in the inner world when they come forward? Also if you dont have an inner world to begin with, what do the alters do in there if they aren't near the front?
Sometimes alters can remember, sometimes they can't! We don't ever really remember innerworld stuff while fronting, but we have friends who can. If you don't have an inner world, you just kinda... exist? Hope that helps ❤️
How can a system build an inner world? At what point does an alter become aware of the inner world and how does that work? Does being in the inner world feel like vivid dreaming? Also, in cases where someone with DID/OSDD doesn't find out about their disorder until adulthood, do their alters know that they are part of a system and just hide it from the host? Or does each alter think they are the host and don't realize they're part of the system?
Hi! I’m planning on making a whole video about inner worlds, and another about building one (as we have!)
My alters knew we were a system before I (the host) did, but it really varies system by system. Sometimes new alters split with no idea about the system, and sometimes they come already knowing!
The Rings System Thanks! Also, are you going to make a video about your journey of realizing you had OSDD?
Probably at some point, I'm just not sure when! It'll take a little bit of planning first
Thank you so much for this video, especially the not judging people for whether they're fake
I've seen a lot of exclusionary behaviour from some others in communities, even some systems laughing at others over how they identify, and I always think that this seems incredibly damaging, especially if you don't know what that person has been through - so having that comment said is really helpful. You can't tell whether another person is fake or not because you can't possibly know what their own experience is unless they detail it out for you
So, thanks, this was really great and hopefully is enlightening and educational for others - Frey of the Locke system
This is so good. I love the way you explained everything
Thank you!
We have two alters who are dating. Its very cute tbh.
Edit: We had an integration that happened overnight. It was painful for everyone and we weren't prepared for it. Our therapist seems to agree it happened and is real. I'm very curious as to why you think it cant happen spontaneously.
Edit2: unless by spontaneously you mean within seconds. Bc it definately didn't take months or even days but it definately took hours. I am the result of that integration. And Dani did not want to integrate even though Wander did.....idk its just our experience. 🍀
Hello!
To answer the question, I meant spontaneously as in "no therapy work and/or no trauma processing." I should've clarified! It does happen that in the process of therapy and trauma processing that alters can integrate rather suddenly and unexpectedly as part of the process.
I hope that helps clear things up! Please let me know if this still doesn't line up, good research is based on the experience of those who have DID/OSDD and if it conflicts then it's always the research that's in the wrong and needs correction :)
@@TheRingsSystem Well. Idk. We arent aiming for integration as a goal. It just sorta happened. It was like he didnt want to exist anymore. We all got in a huge fight and then that night it happened before we were ready. He was a fictive if that helps anything and possibly an ep but our sysmates dont fit those boxes very well. Dani was our host.
He didnt really hold any trauma from this life. Just his own.
Im also beginning to wonder if I instead just split off Dani as they and wander both went dormant. This is our first conscious integration so we are very confused about the whole thing. 🍀
Ok I did a deep dive into research and honestly I think Wander tricked us. Because I dont hold any memories from him. Apparently him tricking us was enough to break me off and make dani go dormant? And I guess I'm just the new host now? God why did he have to do this??
On the other hand, maybe they did integrate and I'm just the part of Dani who didn't want to integrate....??? Hhhhhhhhh 🍀
New sub here 🙋 Found your system channel thru the recommendations feed while watching DissociaDid! Really enjoyed this and some others you've done. You've covered alot of interesting topics and addressed a myriad of questions surrounding the DID/OSDD. Keep it up!!
Thank you!! :)
Another excellent video. You covered a lot of ground in a very concise manner. I am excited about your chosen career path, you will do great things!
Thank you!! 💜
Thank you so much for this video and your other videos. They have really helped me come to terms with what I believe I may be going through in regards to most likely having OSDD 1-b. Your videos always help me feel validated when I think "I'm faking" or, "I'm making up these memories or flashbacks," or just that I'm totally crazy haha. So thank you, I really appreciate your videos and think you guys are truly wonderful people. I'm really glad you cleared up these misconceptions. I even had some of these myself. Having the wrong information would make me feel less valid and that somehow I'm "doing it wrong". I know I'm not "doing" anything, but I often feel in denial (pretty new to all of this). It's really important that the truth is out there and it's great that you cleared up these misconceptions. Also, Split is honestly a huge let down. I remember when it came out I was excited to see a movie about DID but ended up very disappointed, even more so when I learned more about DID.
❤️❤️ I'm glad we could help :)
Hm. Writing a story that involves a "system" and- I'm surprised I got a lot right. Raven and Jessica are their own people, check, they have an inner world that they had to create over time, check, sometimes fronting is voluntary, sometimes not, check, different desires and experiences, check (she is a mutant in the story so this amounts to different abilities because they have different training)- yes there is an inner struggle, but it's not because one is evil, they just have different enough views of the world that they have to fight it out. I guess the "hero" of the story is Jessica, who isn't the first personality, per say, but she does become more dominant. Jessica split off at the physical age of four so that's probably a tad wonky, but it was trauma related.
(In story the two alters are not psychology experts so yes, they themselves are often not aware of what is or can happen. For instance, when getting ready to leave their prison (hence the trauma) Raven becomes afraid Jessica will die when their mind no longer has a reason to fracture and make her- doesn't happen, but there's no way Raven could have understood it wasn't a possibility.
It's scifi fantasy so, no, its not fully accurate- as ya know- narrative purpose doesn't exist in the real world at all so- anything dependent on it doesn't either. Fiction and reality are ALWAYS different. But I did start out with the idea of wanting people to care about both "alters" and ended up creating a decent replication of reality- hm.
We'd recommend did-research.org and traumadissociation.com for more resources!
i've watching your videos for a month now after discovering i'm plural a few months ago during a weed trip. recently, these past weeks have been more clarified with me being a system. while having some doubts/denials here and there... this video has actually,, helped a lot with what i dealt with my entire life. i still feel like i'm progressing my knowledge of my members and overall system, but i have dealt with repeated emotional abuse at 8-9 years old that ended around 15, as well as a disturbing memory i can't for the life of me remember what happened. i've already been born with genetic autism, adhd and bpd, as well as anxiety and depression. being 21 now,,, discovering that i have 12 members of our system, our ways of coping with switching/how our brain works. all that. wow. thank you so much for creating the videos that you do Rings System
i'm currently really confused- i dissociate and then feel like a different person, but i can never pinpoint who, what, when, where and why, and its all really confusing ;; i have memories of my past when i do this but i dont know if its a switch or just me zoning out
You just slammed down all the reasons I told myself I can’t be a system 😭 I have an appointment with my therapist Tuesday and I’m going to bring this up
Hey
I‘m from Switzerland. I suffer from mental illness issues since I was 6 or 7. I‘m 24 now. I got so many diagnoses which even are contradictory to each other. A few years ago i discovered Stories from DID Systems. I knew I don‘t have it, cause I‘m missing sone severe key symptoms. two Weeks ago I discoverd your Channel and startet researching about osdd-1b and was blown away. I could releat to so much!
But i will never finde Out if i have it becaus its just not a thing in Switzerland. We don‘t use the DSM 5 we use the ICD 10 and nothing in there speaks about osdd. I wish i could travle to Amarica to meat an osdd/did specialised Psychiatrist to see if it would be an answer to me. I don‘t want to selfdiagnose me. Because I think selfe diagnosing can be very dangerous. I just wish I could talk with someone who is an expert in this feld. (sorry for my bad english)
I totally understand. I hope you guys find someone who can properly diagnose you guys, and I would encourage you to see someone who specializes in DID in your area, just in case! Many DID therapists here have told me that they treat DID and OSDD very similarly.
Love of love to you ❤️
Thank you for your kind and educational videos, Ring System. You make the impression of a really inclusive, open group and that's why I enjoy watching your videos! I myself am relatively new to the plural community and am thinking about possibly being plural myself. I was thinking that since I was 6, honestly, and my main persona fronted the first time when I was at my new elementary school and felt safe for the very first time, but yeah, that's a whole other story. What I realized though, when I was crusading through the plural community, was, how extraordinarily DID-heavy those communities were and I didn't really feel welcome or valid enough to be part of all that. However, I believe your community is pretty chill, so I'd like to share an experience, and maybe there are other people who can relate to me, who knows, so. I always thought I didn't have amnesia during "those" episodes, when I was a child, but now, I'm slowly questioning whether I do have amnesia, because I can very hardly remember some parts of my life and when some snippets come through, it's often very irritating for me either that, or it was during my flashback episodes and after that, the memories fade again. But somehow, I still roughly knew what happened, I just couldn't remember. It's comparable with the fact that I knew what happened in WWII, all the details, even what happened in the camps, and when I was visiting a camp in Germany, I knew what historically happened but obviously, I don't have the memories of those victims and survivors. And that's the same with some stuff that happened throughout my life. I factually knew what happened roughly, but it felt like textbook knowledge, but the emotionally charged memories weren't there. Does anyone know, what I mean or am I the only one, haha? And well, yapped enough, so I hope you have a good day. Signing out!
Well done. You're doing a very good job explaining these facts so that everyone can understand it :)
Thank you so much for this video guys!
Your hard work is much appreciated :)
I will of course be sharing this video on Twitter.
~Sherlock
Thank you so much!! 💜💜💜
A "few" months late, but I must say I liked this video. You've got yourself a new subscriber.
Going to check out your other videos over the course of the weekend, and I'm looking forward to learning more about OSDD. :)
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Thank you for all the information on this! There's so much inaccurate info that's swirling around, it's nice to hear accurate stuff.
Love the video! Love the effort you put into them as a whole! 😊😊
Thank you!! 💜
Great list, thank you! She good info on there. There's one though that I'd like to clarify a little. Integration isn't spontaneous per se, but it can feel that way, because it can happen unconsciously. Basically, you've all been doing the work to set up that integration without realizing that's what's going to result. For example, it's possible to integrate before you really understand what's going on or have a diagnosis or words to describe being multiple. That being said, it will requires certain changes (just like when a new alter forms), so it isn't just random or for no reason.
I was really needing to rewatch this video, it just calmed me down so much about many insecurities
Omg I'm only five minutes in and this is so good. Thank you so much for making this video. I don't want assume, but it's almost like you've been living with it too. Therapy/first hand experience helps you learn so much.
Thank you!!! And we are :) a lot of this channel focuses on explaining our internal experiences of DID/OSDD and making them understandable for others!
Thank you for explaining
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Extremely well made video
I had severe trauma starting from the age of mainly 6-7 lasting many years, I just recently discovered what OSDD is and I feel like I may have it (Dissociative disorders have been on the table with my therapist but we've never really explored them before..) but i'm 17. Is it ok to not realize you may be a system until later in life? I've had symptoms and things i don't feel comfortable to explain on YT but always brushed them off of everyone is like that or im faking it
Yeah!! Heck yeah!! You're actually super young to realize it!! Most people realize in their 20's-30's, and some don't realize until they are 40, 50, or later!
Given how hard the mind tries to convince you it doesn't exist, even if you can hear alter voices, it's not a surprise that it can take years, even decades to find out.
I am so glad for this video, because I've had a lot of misconceptions and over time I've been dispelling them by educating myself. I was told a lot of complete BS as a brainwashed child about different disorders and experiences, and it's been amazing to relearn everything and be like, hey, these are actually very normal people and not whatever I imagined them to be. Last week I got on a dissociative disorder kick I guess - I enjoy topics in psychology, super interesting stuff. I'm still wary of the idea of dissociation, but since I was diagnosed with cptsd, I probably experience it and just don't identify with the usual descriptions of dissociation. But that's besides the point, the point is, great video! I'll subscribe. Edit: was already subscribed, lol I guess I forgot XD
Thank you so much for this video, any dissociative disorder sufferer is going to find this very validating! :)
I once thought my headmates were some sort of imaginary public. Wouldn't say friends bc I constantly acted as if I was being in a tv show bc of them. I am still seeking a diagnosis tho, so idk if we really are a system.
Thank you, this is really comforting
I love you and your videos and thank you so much for speaking more about osdd
Thank you so much
You answered many questions for us ☺️
Angel hugs and blessings
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such interesting research, loved getting to hear this from a did/osdd perspective!
This is really helpful, thank you.
Did you make a video about how you built your inner world?
Is it something you can do only in teraphy?
We have not made it yet, but it's scripted! If you message us on any social media platform (insta, twitter, tumblr, links in descriptions of videos) we will send you the script :)
@@TheRingsSystem ok thank you :) i named Kate my profile on Twitter, I'm going to message you there
I'm a questioning system. I'm leaning towards OSDD1B, but I'm not sure yet. I first discovered my system at the age of 10, back when I thought that they were just voices in my head. I even used the voices for roleplays. In 2020, I discovered three of my alters upon hearing a friend talk about their system discovery, but then began denying because of the rise of TikTok faking and seeing people rip them apart by explaining that my symptoms weren’t actually DID. This year, I rediscovered the system and this video is helping me fight back the urge to supress them. I do try to hide it in school, though.
I am curious, is it possible to be covert AND overt depending on where you are?
This makes me feel so much more valid :')
Brilliant video
As a member of a system that is fairly new and came without an inner world. does anyone have advice on how to build/access an inner world?
Yes! Message us on any social media platform, and we can send you a script that we've written out about how we build ours. Links to other social media are in the description of every video :)
A question or two:
Is the inner world something that the system chooses to create (such as they choose what it looks like, mansion vs apartment, etc)
How do you feel others should react when someone tells them about their disorder. Obviously there's the want to be open and understanding, but are there any specifics anyone knows of to try and follow?
I really like your videos! They are really informational and helpful!
1. It actually varies. Some systems come with an inner world and can't change it, and others built it themselves and get to design it! And, some systems (this is us) come with one but build another anyways for whatever reason.
2. Probably just a "thanks for telling me. Is there anything I need to know or do in order to best support you?" I always recommend research, but you're already here so you're doing a great job in that category! :)
@@TheRingsSystem Thanks for the help! And your guys' videos are extremely helpful!
So glad that we found your channel! We have a question about trauma related things. Could one big single event that happens when someone is young, (along with ‘smaller’ traumatic experiences such as emotional abuse (and btw we don’t want to diminish the horridness of any form of abuse, this is just what we’ve experienced)) pave the way to DID/OSDD? We’re led to believe that our Original (who barely speaks anymore because of their desire to disappear) suffers from Abandonment issues because they (and therefore the rest of us) were abandoned and then adopted at a very very young age.We think it’s possible that they created the rest of us gradually because of that and other trauma/severe bullying. We’d appreciate it if you could get back to us! Thank you~ - The Rogue System
Repetitive trauma that the brain is unable to handle is what causes DID/OSDD (even things generally thought of as 'smaller trauma' like emotional abuse/neglect). There's no line that determines what is or isn't enough to cause DID/OSDD, as it all depends on each individual. I'm not a professional, so determining how your trauma interacted with your brain and the impacts of that are best known between you and a therapist :)
Alright, thank you!
7:20 SO F*CKING TRUE! Really, sometimes I Wonder if my friends are dumb and/or they just dont care x3
Really long video? That left like 1 minute, I was so interested it flew by
It is a ok to date in system. I mean heck
We got 2 married couples
1 couple that flirts all the time but "isn't dating" yeah right.
And 1 mate pair, which is the term we use for the wolves cause they dont like married so we use mates.
Yes! :)
I have a question about integration: you said that integration inherently takes a lot of work from both alters, but I've heard of some systems who had unexpected integrations, so then that assumption doesn't work right?
It actually still holds - if you're doing a lot of trauma processing on both ends, and alters have put in a lot of work towards healing, it's possible for alters to be able to quickly and rather unexpectedly integrate. Integration might also have been something the alters in question have been quietly working towards, without talking to the rest of the system about it :)
Well done!
In OSDD can the host/dominant alter be replaced by what until that point has only been a passively influencing part of limited agency? Can there be a case that due to change in the system or an external trigger, the part that this far existed with little to no agency all of a sudden takes over the executive system and body and takes the place of the host?
the myth of "you're unlikely to meet a system" feels funny (for lack of a better term) now that I learned that my girlfriend is a system. She has only one alter afaik but they certainly have a lot to learn. I have only encountered the host but I fully understand why she doesn't want the other one to front.
Also, is there a French term for DID that isn't just calqued MPD? I'm looking for a term that isn't as awful as the outdated label.
Is bullying just at school the type of trauma that can cause it....? I don't have DID. I'm sure. But I didn't know the diagnosis of OSDD existed until literally an hour ago.
Hi! I'd recommend checking this out: th-cam.com/video/FocqDiZWxyc/w-d-xo.html
I'm currently questioning if I have a dissociative disorder because I've had what I call "phases" when I was one person, with one set of opinions and values, and then something would happen and I would change into this other person with very different set of values. But these "phases" (of fronting) could last for a year, so I don't know if that's possible (other alters would then be dormant, I guess)?
can trauma form at age 10? bc i remember severe cyber bullying at age 10 and wonder if that counts, or if maybe some other kind of trauma happened at a younger age. i do suspect i may be a css victim and not remember?? idk if i have bpd or osdd. or both heck. ive always been fascinated by did and found it relateable but assumed i didnt have it so now im like aaaa??? the only "identity" im really aware of is a fictive, which is why i assumed he formed from bpd or something and wasnt an alter, but something else, but after speaking to my friend with did im unsure :') we're pretty similar to each other, at least i think we are?? and he's also my favorite character which is also why i assUMED ITS NOT AN ALTER BUT NOW I DONT KNOW AND THE MORE I RESEARCH OSDD AND DID THE MORE I RELATE AND THINGS START TO MAKE SENSE HECK. whenever i discover a new disorder that fits me i kinda obsess over it so im gonna try my best to lay off but i have adhd so that probably wont happen lol.
if i do have osdd i think i have a little?? idk anything about them but they seem to have come out sometimes when i went to therapy, and sometimes after mental breakdowns. it also seems like if i do have alters theyre usually if not always coconscious?
i definitely went through a lot of trauma as a tween and its around that time i got into the tv show this potential fictive is from, so... that makes sense. but can a fictive even be a main alter? how do you even become aware of other alters? and is it a thing for people with alters to always feel as if theyre being watched and judged by... someone? or is that just a paranoia thing from some other disorder of mine?
this potential fictive also definitely isnt the exact same as the fictional character hes based off of and has a kind of separate sense of self?? just to clarify i guess. man discovering i might not be a "singlet" is concerning but it also explains my indecisiviness and fluctuating everything, and my confusion with my gender and sexuality lol
anyway sorry for rambling if you read this askskkfkf
Hello! There's a couple sources that put the age of development as late at 10, but it's also possible there could be stuff you don't remember. At the end of the day I can't tell you anything about whether your trauma is valid or not - but it also doesn't quite matter. You don't need to know what caused DID/OSDD to be valid (we talk about this in a recent video about not remembering your trauma) so I'd just focus on what you're experiencing now, seeing a therapist if you can, and figuring out what helps you(rselves) live a better daily life ❤️❤️
Playing this video to explain to my grandma
i hadn't thought about it much yet, but with what you were saying about co-morbidities in mental health conditions, i'm wondering now if, the same way we are all living with the genetic slight hearing deficiency of the body and autism, if we also are all trans(being trans is not a mental health condition, just want to be clear about that). i (Sosh) am more femme-leaning nonbinary, whereas Lith is more "futch" (a portmanteau of femme and butch), but yeah I know we are both trans. it doesn't seem like anyone is in any way distressed since deciding that HRT was the right path for bringing the body more in line with Sosh and Lith's gender identities. Going on 3 months now.
I knew I had something wrong with me, turns out I had a lot of things wrong with me, D.I.D just happened to be one of them - Atlas
“people with did are always obvious and easy to spot”. also “people with did will never realize or even consider they have did”. the math ain’t mathin.
have you heard of monoconscious systems? I want to know if they are okay within the community.
I have not but I am sure they're ok. Any self definition is all right in our eyes.
I'm confused about the "DID can't be formed in adulthood" part of it. I thought that the theory of structural dissociation (the part about identities being integrated from 6 to 9 years old) was only one *theory* and it's not the only way to conceive of DID? I thought that "DID can only form between 6-9 years old" WAS the misconception 😅 Maybe something has changed in the past 4 years?
You are correct - this is something we're looking to correct in the upcoming months.
just to keep in mind if you live in the uk the percentage of people with red hair is 15% in ireland 13% in scotland 12% in england and 9% in whales so the chances of you knowing someone with red hair and did/osdd are not the same IF you live in the UK
I hid my computer from my mom for 4 years ever since 9 that I was chatting online. My computer screen was turned so everyone could see I always had to watch over my shoulder when I was distracted by a game which was really stressful. Could this cause OSDD-1b or can repetitive seizures ever since I was 3 cause OSDD-1b? I do feel like there is other people in my head and I do have "switches" and after I come back, I feel there was someone else with different styles, gender, different likes and dislikes in my head.
If it is not OSDD-1b then what is it? I do have split personalities, I do have voices in my head that I can talk with, I do have dissociations, I do have mixed feelings sometimes like someone else dislikes it, I do like we instead of I, I do have blending situations, I do have a very fluid sexuality, and when I go back to my normal self I know that was not me doing those things, liking those things, and saying those things.
We have another video on types of trauma that cause DID: and spoiler alert, anything can. Trauma severity is not defined by “what happened” and is defined by how it impacted you - which is influenced by how you were supported, and whether you were in a safe environment to process it. Trauma is trauma because of it’s emotional impact, not the “what” of “what happened.” As always, there’s a possibility that there’s stuff you don’t remember (there's also another video on not needing to remember your trauma to be valid!) but please please don’t go digging for it. It’s dangerous to look for trauma without a therapist. You to have to experienced trauma to have DID/OSDD specifically, but it’s totally valid to have absolutely 0 memories of it.
Our advice is to not focus on this stuff, and what might've "caused" it. Whatever happened or didn’t happen in the past is what it is - BUT, you still have the same symptoms you’re experiencing now. Figuring out your past, or whether it’s “bad enough” doesn’t change what you’re experiencing NOW - so focus on that. Focus on finding coping mechanisms that work to help you get through the day. Focus on taking lots of notes! There’s a reason why dealing with trauma is phase two, often years into DID/OSDD therapy. Don’t worry about it right now ❤️
So like, I have 1b, but I can't think of anything specific that happened to me between 6-9 or before. I mean, I guess I can't really remember most stuff before age 14 but like. I guess something must have happened to me? I mean my parents have always been... Awful.
I dunno where I'm going with this. The fact that it has to be before 6-9 and the only really traumatic thing I can remember happening in my childhood lasted from about 10-14, but yet the 8 of us exist is... Worrying. How does one cope with it? Do I need to uncover these potential memories in order to heal? (Not integrate, but just heal)
Hiya!
Please be really careful with trying to uncover traumatic memories. Going digging without professional help can be dangerous in multiple different ways.
Healing is also a non-linear journey - it's never that you do one thing and ta-da! you're healed and good. There's plenty of things you can work on outside of/before you get to severe trauma uncovering/processing.
@@TheRingsSystem Thank you 💕 and yeah I wouldn't try going through stuff on my own, I'm still recovering from accidentally uncovering a memory last year of an event 5 years ago.
We'll be safe. Promise. Tbh, this was typed out in a haze at about 3am so I appreciate you taking the time to decode it ^^'
Stay safe 💕
We're still missing a lot of memories too. It's a common system experience, and it's 100% ok to wait to uncover them. You're valid, and don't ever feel bad for missing parts of your childhood! 💕
@@TheRingsSystem Thank you. It's hard sometimes. Also btw your colored rings for switches idea is really good and we're gonna get some rings now so our lovely spouse can tell us apart better ^_^
Thank you
Can DID occur around the age of 11-13?
Repetitive trauma has to occur before the age of (around) 6-9ish. However, you can realize you have DID at any point in your life, and many folks with DID repress their trauma and don't remember anything.
I have a hard time seeing when there are switches or different alter in my friends and see it as homogeneous. I myself have major acting and mood swings, maybe thats why.
Are the differences between alters characterized by something or is it different from each system?
Wait so singlets can have inner worlds? How does that work? Why?
They can build them, usually with the guidance of someone who knows how. Just like with systems, it can provide an inner mindscape to retreat to when you need a place to be calm, except with only them. It's similar to visualization meditation, but really concrete!
I know this is an old video but I was wondering as a newly discovered system, as the host I can't switch out fully, I can be co-fronting without control of the body or have some function but I never end up in the headspace, always present. I wanted to know if this is normal or due to a lack of communication. Can you be an OSDD system and not 'switch'?
😂 so it’s just like split? Omg Lmao. It’s a good movie in the thriller sense but in accuracy it is far from the truth. I wouldn’t rely on that movie to introduce even the thought of DID as it could be dangerous. People could think were gonna kidnap someone and try to hurt people. I really hope the stigma lessens so this never happens to others. -Joy
Haha yeah split is.... I have so many feelings and it’s so incorrect lol
The term system bothers me because the word system to me implies inanimate things like fuel system or computer system ....you are human being far superior to inanimate systems, Another term that bothers me is host. In biology class I was taught parasites have a host that they feed off of. My understanding of alters is that they help rather than feed off or take away from the host.If this comment is ignorant I apologize.
Hello!
hopefully I can explain a bit. these terms have been in the community for a long time and have become very meaningful!
1. While the word system does tend to give off that feel at first glance because inanimate systems are most well known, there are organic systems by nature too - such as an ecosystem or the digestive system. Really, system implies a collection of parts that all function together as a whole, and all have their place and role in making sure the everything runs smoothly. The dictionary definition is "a set of things working together as parts of a mechanism or an interconnecting network," and that's exactly what we are - Just like an ecosystem, we all have our roles in the system community - and if any part was artificially taken away, it would damage the health of the whole. [not that an alter can be artificially taken away, but you get the idea]
2. Host is used in a lot of settings, and the analogy actually came from a human setting - such as the host of a party, or the host of a radio show. Both have very social connotations, and being in that role takes a lot of work - and feels similar to how alters in the role of host sometimes feel! Host are usually very social alters and have to balance multiple aspects of daily life. While there are alternatives such as "main fronter" or "front runner," host is by far most commonly used and personally my favorite.
Hope that helps :)
I like thinking of myself as the host of a party or get-together, but in my head! It’s a much nicer way to think about it ^^
Ace ring : )
:)
What abt adhd would that effect everyone
I don’t know enough about ADHD to answer that! But whatever your lived experience is, it’s valid
It depends on the system. Usually disorders in the body like those affect all alters in some way.
Hey uhm, is it considewed Covewt DID if chu twy to hide it, but sometimes swip up and accidentawwy speak diffewentwy? Cause das weally hawd fow me to speak nowmawwy, and it huwts my head >n
I’m not sure! But don’t worry too much about falling into the boxes of covert vs overt perfectly - it’s much more of a spectrum than anything :)
Are there any other systems whose body is over the age of 30? Or are we solo out here? Serious question.... this is seriously bothering us...
Yeah!!
I know of a 30ish year old system who's in an online community space with us, and we went to a system meet up last month with two senior systems, and plenty of late 20's and early 30's systems :)
Heyo. Pushing 40 here. 🦄🥀