How Are New Alters Formed? An Explanation of Structural Dissociation
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2018
- Ever wonder how new alters are formed? Why are they all so different? Kit explains using the theory of structural dissociation.
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Super cute animation and a really concise explanation! This was really enjoyable to watch. Amazing job Kit! - Chloe
DissociaDID I found this channel thanks to you ☺️
th-cam.com/video/93atjaE8F8o/w-d-xo.html I made a video about how I find out I had DID and this video is part of it ❤️
There's a whole reddit about you and your predatory partner. You should look it up.
@@Elizabeth-st4xk yep. And lots of vids about her faking. Apparently entropy and bobo don't like dissociadid anymore.
@@tws3184392233 I really don't think she faked... I don't think it makes any sense.
"If someone gets a new job and that job is very demanding, an alter may be formed"
...ohhhh. That explains our alter who describes themself as the perfect employee. They even have fun aunt energy to counter the unfunness of work
I really appreciate all the information and personal stories you share. I have a 16 month old now- my miracle baby- and because of childhood abuse and my resulting PTSD and Anxiety disorder I am terrified that I will inadvertently do something to f*ck him up. I am learning everything I can on how to protect my baby from everyone including me. I don't want my depression days to isolate him so I've built a community of friends around myself and have 2 besties to keep me accountable.
I'm sorry, I'm rambling, but I really just want to convey how I appreciate your presence here.
I'm wishing you and anyone who reads this all the strength in the world. You deserve it!
We’re reading this years later, but we just want you to know that this really touched us and moved us. You sound like an incredibly caring and well-equipped parent. Thank you so much for taking those steps to help your baby grow without harm. Building a support system is such a good idea! It takes a lot of humility to acknowledge the need for help, and we’re so proud of you for being open to that. Please don’t be too hard on yourself if you ever make a mistake and make space in your heart for self-love as well as love for your child. We hope you and your little one are thriving and living a happy life!
I dont want to talk to d.i.d. people because the meltdown/fighting too.
I didnt even know the stuff in this video for the meltdowns.
Thank you for breaking things down in a way that's easy to understand. I've tried reading articles about this, but a lot of them are filled with scientific jargon that isn't always easy to comprehend.
I have PTSD and after watching this I'm very confused.
I do have an EP, but she has her own separate name, gender, species, memories (she can access my memories but hers are very foggy to me), relationships/perceptions of other people, responses, sensory perception... she's so 3-dimensional and a completely separate entity from me.
She split off and we switched after a trauma and was was solely present for a year, I was completely dormant. We didn't know about dissociation or PTSD, and when she first split she immediately realized she wasn't me and was scared wondering what happened. She then quickly (within 2 days based on evidence I have) realized she was a carbon copy of one of my OCs, and she took on that OC's identity.
After the threat she was protecting us from was gone because I graduated, I came back and I was myself, until the next year where I had yet another horrible trauma happen and we yet again switched.
We have not switched again aside from those two times, and for the entire time period that she is out I am just completely absent.
She is completely different from me. She is so defensive, paranoid, has trust issues, insomnia, gets near nightly nightmares and constant flashbacks, and can be quite aggressive and angry. But she can goof off with friends and be silly. She can have a few people in her life to consider friends... but she herself has no clue whether she genuinely loves/cares about them or if she's just using them for something, such as protection.
She didn't trust my therapist the first time she was about, but when I came back I explained everything of what I could remember and everything made sense to her. She did figure it was PTSD but didn't wanna diagnose anything retroactively. Later on when she came back again she did reveal herself to the therapist, as she knew about her anyway (and trusted her because my therapist was the one who finally did something to attempt to deal with the perpetrator) and my therapist acknowledged us two as completely different people and even used our two names separately. I did get the PTSD diagnosis.
I've done my own reading about structural dissociation, and I know that it's limited to one ANP & one EP but multiple of either would be secondary or tertiary. And it really is just me and her, and she's only limited to being out when I'm fully exhibiting my PTSD symptoms.
So it really threw me off when it was stated that with PTSD, switching with a part is not the same as switching with an alter. My therapist acknowledged her as a completely distinct alter but she said it was definitely not DID or OSDD.
I just wanna share this idk 😭 I just wanna throw this out there to either point out that people with PTSD CAN have just one singular EP alter, and aside from just going off structural dissociation theory, I have even looked at the differential diagnosis in the DSM-5 between PTSD and DID and it still fits within PTSD.
idk if your therapist knows anything abt dissociation and trauma because that absolutely fits the DID criteria. the DID diagnostic criteria is very vague. some form of amnesia must be present (which from the sounds of it you have inherently through emotional amnesia, ie looking back on another part's activities and thinking "oh she did that, that wasnt me"), and 2 or more distinct identity states, which you have 2. so you qualify as having DID.
people with DID usually have PTSD bc yknow... trauma. they are not differential diagnoses, they are diagnoses that build upon each other.
just giving my 2 cents as a system who studies psychology and has had therapists fail to correctly diagnose me before because dissociation and trauma are a specialty that many therapists never study
tl;dr no, the EP part in PTSD is not differentiated like in OSDDID. its still a part with some level of dissociative barrier, but it is not distinct with its own name and identity. that falls under OSDDID diagnosis
I know this is a bit late, but DEFINITELY find a therapist or psychiatrist who is well-versed in trauma and dissociation. Dissociation is a spectrum and OSDD is a lot more varied than people think.
I can definitely relate to the “ be home at 3” thing.....my brain takes statements that are innocent I guess and goes oh no oh no oh no!!!!
Me too, when someone says "be home at 3" what I hear is "Better be home by 2 just in case, cause if you're out even a millionth of a second past 3 you will die, but in a way that's somehow worse than actual death." -Lily
This is so helpful, especially the distinctions between different structural dissociations! Really helps me to compare my PTSD to the kind of dissociation that people with DID experience.
I wanna say thank you.
I've bee. Diagnosed bpd, and c-ptsd, along with a few other things, but I've had so much confusion when I'm.... having an episode. Having the term "secondary structural dissociation" as something to look up, answered the questions I've been asking my doctors about and just getting "it's part of bpd" as the only explanation between....... mindstates. The words I've used to describe in this are simply words that seem to fit best.... thank you, I now have a decent starting point for my own research.
you have to check out ambivalentgoddesses.com.....i too have c-ptsd/bpd and her posts about structural dissociation are really amazing and helpful. the whole site is really informative and i just spent like an hour reading it after watching this video! seriously
I too have EUPD/BPD no DID diagnosis but I have alters
Omg I took an abnormal psych class and I didn't learn any of this. I wish I did. Sadly the prof did not believe in Personality disorders but you'd think I'd learn all that about PTSD.
DID isnt a personality disorder
@@JuiceMade3603 my teacher grouped them all together on the last day of class. He only talked about DID for 2 minutes saying its a disconnect of trauma and personality.
Jessica Prokott did isn’t a personality disorder though
I got your point the first time... I am explaining why I thought it was.
Jessica Prokott oh okay sorry I was wrong
Thanks Kit and system for putting this together! I’m trying to learn all I can about DID and have been super curious about structural dissociation!
I was formed today haha... idk why im here. We were listening to music. It was loud. How we like it. And then boom. Both of our hosts was kicked out the front seat and I was suddenly here. It makes no sense. 🤣
HOLY BACON! This exact same thing happened in our system 2 days ago and it's literally why I am here rn!😂
Professor Kit out here with the science terms and educational animations ❤️ you guys always do such great videos
"Wynn...could probably be classified as an EP."
No, she's not an… wait… she's a host... wait… that's still an alter. Right. Sometimes I keep forgetting that DID isn't one person fragmenting other persons. And thanks for that amazingly put info!
It’s tough to wrap your head around. It even took Wyn a while to comprehend it! -Kim Kim
Great video kit! I recently had an attack from a trigger of my PTSD at school and I thought of some tips you’ve given in your videos and it really helped to calm me down. AND KIT GUUUURRRLL youve gotta make another tutorial maybe of like how you do kim kim’s makeup cuz you are getting so good
You did very well explaining things. Can't wait to see a new video!
This was super interesting! and answered a lot of questions I'd had...the way you presented the science-y material was broken down and explained clearly and logically enough to make it easy to digest without being overly simplified. Thanks for another great video!
this is very informative and easy to understand! i am working with my therapist to learn more about myself and my responses to childhood trauma and resurfacing of long since buried memories and feeling and understandings of my past. structural dissociation is just one thing that is really great to know about and to understand so that I can try to understand myself better!
Superinteresting and educating, thank you so much! By learning to understand people with DID better, I'm also learning so much about the human mind and psyche in general.
this makes a lot of sense, and definitely helps me to understand! I love the little animation at the beginning too
I've had a fascination with DID since I was a teenager. Liked United States of Tara. I can relate so much to the PTSD aspects you were talking about cause my traumas happened when I was older and I'm grateful that i don't have DID. Can't imagine all the ways you have to cope to have a normal life.
This was so helpful seeing that im learning more about my DID everyday. Thank you.
really great job explaining Kit. I know using visuals like you did helps a lot of people. you continue to educate me with your videos and I love them.
We don’t have any coping mechanisms and I can tell you that my system has grown from 4 as a child to 20 as an adult. And we continue to grow. Our system right now is like a dysfunctional family.
That was brilliantly done, Kit. Thank you! I do not have did, but struggle with depression due to childhood trauma and your videos help me a lot with navigating this.
Especially your positive approach.
Keep going! All the best from Germany.
Thank you for this :) I wanna make a presentation about D.I.D in my psychology class and your videos are very helpful and educational and it's super convenient that you put the sources in the description, so thanks! :)
You explained everything so well. I’m still trying to understand how ANP and EP fits in with our system because it seems to be a lot more complex and confusing for us. I don’t know if I could just box each of us into those two categories neatly if you know what I mean. We appreciate you making this video, and will be sure to share it with those who want to learn more. 😊💖💕
ANP’s and EP’s can be blended in certain systems. It talks about it at the bottom of this page ❤️ -Wyn
did-research.org/origin/structural_dissociation/anp_ep.html
Wow I had never heard all this about PTSD & other disorders having EPs that are a bit more isolated from the rest of the psych/ego. Super interesting and it brings so much better understanding why these disorders work the way they do and how they can bring forth symptoms that are generally hard to understand! Thank you so much for making this video and managing to make it understanding even if they viewer had no prior reading on this! So great ^^
This channel is a psychology student’s gold mine. I have learned more from you than any textbook I’ve ever been taught from. Your channel, among others, have helped me learn so much, and I would love to specialize in DID one day 💙
Yay, new video, I'm so happy! 😊
You all are so good at explaining things, I have never come across a channel that would do such a great job. This is really amazing. Love you all and can't wait for the next video!
Thank you for explaining this Kit! I just recently found your guys Tumblr and it’s so informational. I really enjoy all of your content :))
Kit, you made this topic incredibly easy to follow! Thank you for taking the time to explain how something like this could occur. :)
I love the way you explain things, Kit! That was so informative and educational. Thank you for taking the time to make a video like this. ❤️❤️❤️
I really loved this video and especially the science of it!!! (Plus all of your other content!) My husband has been struggling with this due to repressed memories from his childhood for about 3 months now...definitely has been a learning curve for both of us, but we’re so thankful for content creators like you to help us understand what’s going on on more of a neurological level!!!!
Thank you for this video so much! My boyfriend has DID and I needed this so much to understand what they are going through so I can help them live the best way possible. Thanks for making this easy to understand :3
Love, love, love this video! All your videos are awesome. This one was super incredibly helpful for our understanding and we'll be adding it to our DID playlist (to help others understand) on our system channel. Thanks for all the work you do. As a youtuber with DID myself I know how much goes into a video even with a well functioning cohesive system.
This video was so fascinating, I had never thought of this as being something I’d like to know but when I saw the video my curiosity was peaked and then satisfied!! I love watching all of you guys’ videos, keep up the good work!!
Science type terms are good haha. In short: I don’t have DID but have been into psych and it’s various ends for a long time as I’ve been institutionalized from being in so many settings. I won’t list my diagnoses but I will say it’s enjoyable when I am able to hear a more scholarly approach to this info as I can understand it better and even relate it to self as I can. Cheers and keep up the awesome work, friends :)
Kit, you did a phenomenal job explaining all of the concepts and theories! thank you!! hope you and the system are doing well
This explains so very much. Many thanks to you, kit, for deciding to speak on this topic and for explaining it so well. Ive always wondered why this happens ( its happened more than once in our system and I was so confused) and this opened the exact door I needed. Again, thank you so much. Appreciation and hugs from our system to you.
This was an incredibly informative video, you explained everything so cohesively and concisely 😄
I watched this with the intention of understanding DID better and in doing so learnt something about my journey living with PTSD. Thank you so much!
suprisingly, i think i just formed or discovered a new alter a few minutes ago when playing fortnite of all things. once the game was over i realized how i dont feel like me and i seemed to have changed is the way i talk, phrases and tone shifiting were different, and my memories are feeling fuzzy again and hard to reach at, which usually only alters that arent my main feel, bc our main obviously has majority memories being the main. everything feels like a different personality than who i thought i was an hour ago, the thinking patters dont match any of my other alters and i do kinda feel a fresh freedom, the kind you feel as a kid bc your dumb and dont know much, thats how it kinda felt, like i didnt know much, like i was back to being an empty slate with nothing in my head to fall back on for an identity other than a vibe
This was a very interesting video, thanks for putting it together it was really easy to follow in the way you did. I have been catching up with your videos since I found you a few weeks ago and its so interesting and I am very thankful that you can educate people like this! Have a great day, and hello from the Uk!
This video really helped me understand how my brain works with this disorder. I have a large system due to the fact that i've split alot during times of trauma. Thank you for not only informing those without this disorder or any like it, but also helping out those who do struggle with it. -Casey
your explaination on ep's really cleared stuff up for me. ive been suspecting i have complex ptsd for awhile now (or at least for sure complex trauma) and knowing more about that emotional part of me really helps things make sense
Kit, You did a great job describing this complex side / sides of DID
Dayum Kits growing up. Its so crazy how much more articulate you are from some of your older videos. With how technical you were i thought you were Wyn for .2 seconds.
This is so fascinating! I really love videos like this that really go into detail how and why these behavioral things are formed. Awesome video, and I hope Jessica connects with y’all soon! I’d really love to see a ‘life update’ with some of the alters and how they’re doing and how their developmental and healing processes are going! It’d be so cool to witness one of the others find peace and integrate now that you know kinda what to expect. I hope everyone’s okay with that lol. Anyway, have an amazing day everyone 💕
Hey Kit, this is really interesting, and I think you explained it well. Thanks for the explanation. :-)
So informative and just in time, I’m doing a presentation in health about DiD to raise awareness and break stigma and this added so many assets, I’ll be sure to check out those links and will definitely be linking this video as a source.
There's a couple of points of misinformation that I commented on, please be sure to do due diligence.
thanks, will definitely check that out, when i present something like this i always make sure that i dont pretend to know everything or know what it is like. I simply try to spread information and raise awareness by amplifying voices of those dealing with it. @@Cups_of_Tea_System
@theentropysystem and
@t Kit I thought you did an excellent job at keeping the information well clarified and cohesive. Thank you. 🤹♀️
I actually think a new alter formed during my summer job because that job was really demanding. She hasn’t really showed up all that much since then, as far as I can tell, but I believe she is older than any of the rest of us since we’ve had multiple people comment while she’s out that we seem more adult. Not mature, just adult or older.
OMGness! You made the details about altered states and DID development so clear! I have been watching this channel and Multiplicity & Me for just about a week. I find this issue fascinating and I think you are some of the bravest people for sharing your stories with us. After a recent traumatic experience I had been unknowingly dealing with PTSD and couldn't explain why I felt like a part of me was broken. I don't have DID but this helped me better understand what truly happened at the moment of great trauma. I've talked to a few psychologists and psychiatrists and no one truly understood as much as they wanted to be a helpful source of insight or at least help me cope better... THIS hits the nail right on the head! Thank you soooo much!
This was a super interesting video, thank you for making it! I love that I can follow this channel for awhile and still learn new things ❤
God I love learning about psychology. I want to be a children's expressive arts therapist when I'm older and I'm looking at a bunch of info on mental disorders in my spare time because I find it so interesting.
Very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to break this down & explain such a complex issue into something I could understand xx
Hi Kit! That was all very well-explained. It's interesting how the theory of structural dissociation makes sense of such a wide range of mental conditions. Your explanation was well-composed and quite enlightening. Also, I hope you and the system can get Dr. Mann to communicate and work well with everyone else soon. Thanks as always.
This is really helping me understand what might be going on with me, thank you guys for another helpful and beautifully put-together video.
You did a really great job wading through and summarizing some really dense theory...thank you for making this! Your videos are awesome.
Thank you so much for making this, I had read dense scientific explanations of structural dissociation before and really couldn't understand it at all. You've made it make sense to me and I greatly appreciate that! I also love your bow!
That was great and so easy to understand. It answered a lot of questions that I had. Love all your videos by the way.
This makes so much more sense now! Thank you for all the info, Kit!
Thank you for making this, it answered a lot of my questions(and now you get a new subscriber because the questions will never stop), and you did it in a way that I could understand
I'm kind of shaken up after this video because I have borderline and some ptsd and hearing you explain structural dissociation, anp's and ep's totally threw me for a loop. I had no idea how those that worked and I feel really enlightened about myself! Your videos are so educational and I appreciate them so much. Thank you system!
Kit! This was a great video, really well put together, easy to follow, and I learnt loads. Thanks for sharing lovely!
Great video! Have been watching DID videos for awhile thinking I shared traits of this disorder but my trauma was from 10-15 so it couldn't be. But the EP makes so much sense with what I experience!
Kit is doing so well at explaining. Thank you for this informational video
Thank you so much for explaining these differences in dissociation types- I was confused about them for so long.
These are the best explanations I have ever heard of these terms/conditions. Great job and thank you,
This was by far the most informative video on structural dissociation! I finally understand it!! Thank you Kit!!
Thank you so much! This was so explanatory and easily understood. I will now have to watch more of your videos!
This was so well done! Thank you
This was one of the most informative videos on the topic that I watched so far.
This was so interesting! Kit is so good at these educational videos.
thank you so much for sharing this with everyone. i’m a newly discovered system, & very grateful to have found you!
Beautifully structured and informative video! Thank you!
I never read about it, I just met your system (and others) on TH-cam by chance. But, fortunately, my thoughts about the new alters were correct. Thanks for explaining more and give us sources to explore.
this is the best description of trauma and dissociation ive ever heard, thank you!!!
Very well done! Thank you for explaining so well!! I loved the illustrations and you made it so simple to understand. Thank you!!
This is such an interesting video and if you ever do more science videos in the future, I will be here in a flash. On another note, I’m glad you guys were able to remove yourselves from the toxic people. Good luck with Jessica!
I'm here for that cute little purple bow you're sporting! It's so cute 😍
Thank y'all for this video. I hope y'all are doing great and Dr Mann learns at the right time what she needs to know to be a part of the system. God bless y'all💕💕
Holy moly this was an amazing lesson!! The bit about PTSD was so helpful for myself. Thank you, thank you, thank you for always going above and beyond to help others learn about the DID.
Wow... This is so interesting! I started watching you all because I saw you on the DissociaDID system channel. I'm going to subscribe to your channel so I can learn more about everyone in your system and DID
I have been diagnosed as an adult with ADD, anxiety disorders and now p t s d. I also had some very personally traumatic situations before age 7, and at times I feel that I almost became dissociated. I love the term and the tell of "related to but not" wording. It helped to me speak to myself. To the group, thank you for help and see other with traits see you and self.
Wow! It is really beneficial to come back and watch these again. I understand this so much better second time!
I’m currently feeling dissociative since the weekend, thank you for being here 😘😘
Thank you for breaking this down; it was super interesting and super useful. I'm off to research secondary structural dissociation now.
Thank you Kit! This was super informative, easy to understand, and clear. I enjoyed this a lot.
Great video, Kit! Thanks for explaining how Jessica Mann came to be. It will be interesting to see how she copes with having to understand that she is an alter in a system.
I was diagnosed with complex ptsd and I never thought about how it works but your description is spot on. I have been having some horrible flash backs lately, of moments I didn't even remember. It's really uncomfortable to learn my trauma is bigger than I thought, but at the same time I really wish my brain would hide it all away from me
This was very interesting and i really think i understand this topic more
I liked this style of video a lot!
You did great, Kitt. FASCINATING.
Educational and inspirational. Thank you Kit and Entropy System!
You did a great job it was short and to the point it wasn't longer drawn out thank you
This was brilliant. Loved the visuals.
Thank you for also talking about PTSD, I was diagnosed with it 4 years ago. But hearing you break it down this way has made it easier for me to better understand my trauma response.
Great video, Kit. Very informative.
Very informative Kit! Thank you for taking the time to do that! My fiance had DID and he recently had a split and I've never met this new part. Mostly because they've all went back in the head space and my fiance doesn't push for communication :/ it's a slow process and all of your guys videos help me, help him, ALOT!! 💋💯
Ah so that explains why im feeling a certain way. Thank you so much for this video! I hadnt done any ptsd research despite my therapist telling me it showed up. This was surprisingly helpful and you made it easy to understand!
Thanks Kit! That was really well done!
I've heard about structural dissociation but usually people describe it as every person is born with "multiple personalities in a way" but i never thought that was quite right, since I thought the idea was that there are NO personalities yet and the child's brain is in a more flexible/fluid state. The way you describe it makes so much more sense to me, and the example you gave really cleared it up! Basically they aren't exactly "personalities" yet. But the child's basic survival needs are in conflict with one another to such an extreme degree that those ego states responsible for meeting the child's needs never really are able to get along with each other.
Something I've thought a lot with alters is that when they split, they are a lot like identical twins who take separate paths in life to the degree that they are very obviously their own person vs identical twins/triplets etc who do everything together to the point they even talk at the same time, seem to share dreams, and it's just generally hard to tell them apart, which is more like a normal person. And structural dissociation actually makes a lot more sense with that the twin analogy than I thought!
The way I think of merging/integration is when two parts spend so much time together and become so much alike that they just kind of blend into each other like when two outside people are in a relationship to the point that they start to feel more like one person. Or like the twins who grow up and spend too much time together.