The Lifespans of the races! - The Elder Scrolls Lore
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True but as servant of the daedric lord he would be kept alive with magic, if he isnt already dead and his spirit essentially bound to sheogorads plane
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House cats, Lions, Tigers, and Jaguars actually all have nearly identical natural life spans of just under 20 years.
Khajiit has immortality if you have vampirism.
They have 9 lives
You got any lockpicks?
Khajiit has wares if you have coin
Yas
All have immortality with vampirism, unless you had brown rot prior. I would suspect it would just keep rotting you away.
The full quote: "Only half-elven, he aged like a Breton." Refers to the fact that he aged like a human and not an elf. Remember this was written for Daggerfall, so Imperials were not a race in the lore yet and Bretons were often spoken of as the "regular" humans due to the game being set in High Rock.
and the bosmer were tall
About the Breton lifespan thing, i wouldn't know if they live around 50 years. Since Delphine's Thalmor Dossier states that she is on her mid 50s, and she dosen't seem like an elder...
I think they can problaby live up to 500 due to their elf blood
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Wildinly innacurare lol
no they have human lifespans
Talos lived to 108, Hes a breton
@Macdonalds Mascot Not really. Alot of people in the elder scrolls (Characters) Lie. Red mountain? And Vivec says he went to atmora with nerevar and says all they found were frozen people and battle stopped in mid air with frozen soldiers. just search up "Was talos a breton"
@Macdonalds Mascot "Talos as in, Tiber Septim the man, was probably a breton. The guy the Empire and Stormcloaks always talk about. Talos the god is 3 men fused into an oversoul. Hjalti Early-Beard, the breton that served Emperor 0 and founded the Septim line."
The Breton argument doesn't really make sense. In the Thalmor dossier on Delphine, it says that she is a Breton in her mid 50's. This would mean that she would be very old, and probably on the brink of death. It makes more sense that Bretons would have lifespans from about 100-150 years since they have mixed blood as well as a natural affinity for magic.
Exactly!! If they're skilled in magic they can prolong their life anyway. There's a few Bretons in the Psijic Order and I bet they'd know how to prolong their life or have it prolonged by another mage
An Argonian lives precisely as long as the Hist want them to live. Be it 3 years or 3000.
They reicarnate via the hist taking their souls on death.
damn imagine your god makes you die at age 3
@@popeval6654 The Hist wanted your parents to grieve. you were just the mechanism they used to make that happen
@@kayrosis5523 DAMN imagine your god kills your 3 year old child to make you grieve
A lizard is never late, they arrive precisely when they mean to.
The whole deal about the Emperor ''aging like a Breton'' is about him being a mixed-blood Dunmer of the Septim bloodline who died in the 40th year of holding office (he was actually like 120 when he died) which was previously held by his mother a pureblooded Dunmer who outlived him and took over the throne as regent before the next Septim took the throne.
The librarian is not just a librarian, he's a mage in charge of the library.
Agreed. At one point he threatens to have the Dragonborn torn apart by angry atronachs if you disrupt the library, and I believe he says that even if you're the archmage so he must be pretty confident in his powers.
@@RichBensen Definitely confident if he's been around since the Second Era, and an Orc. I wish he was a marriage candidate.
eanaz79 this collection is going to stay pristine. Understand?
I think the orismer have the same or similar lifespan as the altmer, but their culture causes them to end their lives much earlier.
Yep
I thought the usefulness of orcs was 30-40 years old. When you see the random orc in the tundra, he said he was 30 something and should die now. I still think the Orcs are the shortest living Mer race, just above a human.@@ImperialKnowledge
@@acolyte1951 Helll, they might even be below human, if the Song of Wulfharth is anything to go by.
@@acolyte1951 The orc you can encounter never says his age, making stuff up to prove yourself dude.
@@redfallxenos4585 Sorry I was wrong then, it was nothing to do with me "making stuff up to prove yourself", it was just a mistake and a false memory.
There are tons of very old Bretons in the games, I doubt that they die around 50, especially with their magical talent and elven blood. It would make more sense if they lived past 100
Delphine is mid 50s, she looks nowhere near expiration date, Bretons at worst have average lifespan but probably slightly higher than average
Daggerfall states that Bretons have a standard human lifespan as halfbreeds aren't common or really possible for humans and elves, and the book mentioned says their lifespan is shorter. If the child of a human and elf has an elven lifespan, they are likely very similar to an elf rather than similar to humans as the Breton are. Basically, the lifespan is unrelated to magic and is biology based, meaning given the Breton look like normal humans that means their biology is like a normal humans and they have a humanish lifespan. Their having a shorter lifespan makes more sense given they are a halfbreed race, meaning their internal biology may be in conflict somehow. The reason humans can get so old in Tamriel is literally just healing magic, but that isn't unique to the Breton, they're just magically inclined
Master neloth at the time of skyrim is 500+ years, also the snow elf you meet ( not vampire) was around before talos
Its rumored the snow elf is a ghost since he cannot be harmed and has a special qualificatiin in the creation kit
@@ImperialKnowledge I'd say it's a blessing of auriel that keeps him alive
Master Neloth is also an Archmage and he himself quotes in Skyrim "The knowledge taught here will last you a lifetime, several if you are talented." We can assume from that quote that his mastery over magic has allowed him to live beyond his natural time.
Neloth is a Telvanni with magically enhanced lifespan.
The snow elf is well over 4000 since the the snow elves were eradicated in the dawn era
What if orcs could live like 3000 years but all just get themselves killed before they turn 50?
Hunter Richards I know this is from a year ago but they could live a while since they are elf’s
Since in TeSV an "OLD" Orc wants to die in battle, makes sense.
They rather die strong than live weak
Evident by the fact that one orc guy who wants to die in battle
This matches what is said about goblins in different games. "Goblins are immortal because they all get themselves killed before any would die of old age"
@@therethan-family1234 lol goblins are just fodder. Goblin lives matter people
"The lifespans of racists." Wait let me read that again...
Theo_Caro very very short
The lifespan of racists is discussed in the part about Nords.
@@GODOBER Good meme, my Dunmer friend, its good that the Dunmer society is not racist at all towards other Imperial Citizens
Irakli you need to play Morrowind. The Dunmer are worse.
@@GODOBER
Dunmer literally ENSLAVE two of the Races of the Empire and others as well.
Altmer are LITERALLY Nazi Elves.
Bosmer LITERALLY will EAT you.
Imperials LITERALLY Conquered and Invaded EVERY SINGLE Nation on Tamriel and it was Fucking Bloody Warfare for the Argonians, Redguards and Altmer!
WHY the fuck is the joke that the Nords are most Racist Racists huh they ONLY killed those who ATTACKED THEM! They DIDN'T even fully Genocide the Snow Elves only MOSTLY once again though the Snow Elves SHOT FIRST it's called Retaliation and Self-Defense of Your People! An if you hadn't SOMEHOW noticed Elves are Fucking Dicks!!! An Skyrim DOES belong to the Nords! I DON'T see Khajiit living in that Frozen Dragon-Infested Hellhole DO YOU!?! Motherfuckers the Nords have done #NothingWrong you damned idiotic fuckwits!
P.S. I'm a Breton NOT a Nord you Fucker I simply actually LEARNED Nordic History and payed a fucking attention you brain dead motherfucker!
I actually find that comment about breton's to be misleading due to the fact that Delphine is in her mid-50s and still looks damn good I'm not saying they have longer life spans I'm just saying they don't have shorter ones
I agree
I agree. Especially when my delphine looks like a 21 old super slut with my mods.
Madonna is over 60 but you wouldn't notice if we wouldn't know!
Thanks to surgery and make up!
Maybe the breton girl uses beauty magic!
@@KAZ3EM That is a fair counter. Although I don't think Delphine is a magic user.
@@fearthepiggaming2998 I understand his and your arguments as well!
The writers are not specific enough on most topics. Because of that content creator should check if there is enough info about certain topics. If I make content on a topic with not much canon infos than I don't have to wonder if the whole TES lore comunity disagrees on my oppinions!
But I like his content and at least he says here and there that he could be wrong and that's open minded enough for me!!!!
We do know that there are dark elves, without magic skills, alive in skyrim time who were alive in oblivion time. Sinderian (who died 100 years prior to skyrim starting) and Nelacar are high elf alchemist/wizards who survived from morrowind and oblivion respectively into a skyrim appearance.
We also know the exact age of 2 human characters in Skyrim. Delphine is in her 50s but not by much and looks younger and Esbern is in his late 70s which is about right.
So Breton May have a few years on nords but nords are for sure approximately us
I think the “aging like a Breton” comment just means they got wrinkly. I haven’t played a male Breton, but the female Bretons in Skyrim have wrinkles no matter how young you make her complexion. Bothered me so much I literally downloaded a mod for it.
Ohhhh so that’s why
Imagine being kept alive by mages to be their librarian
Really feel for that guy now, won't be harming his books any time soon
I stole his books to read them all but I put every single book I got + found in the library. We worked to make the tentacle eye demon thing proud
I honestly thing brentons can live along time due to their elf blood i say at max 200 the theory of 50 years old is due to wars or adventures plus delphine who you meet in Skyrim is in her mid 50s but look in her early 20s
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AGE old question
I'm sorry
GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE. Jk, I did not even notice that pun myself and I usually have the worst puns. Good job!
That's Punny!
Yagrum Bagarn is a the last Dwemer that you can meet in game and he said he spent 3000 years exploring and has been investigating the disappearance of his brothers for 500 years
High elves are basically liches, then.
No, just superior.
@@LalaLa-ze7kv idk
Seems like Thalmor propaganda
Im going to have to argue with the bit about the bretons. Hjalti Early Beard, Talos, Tiber septim, Was most likely a breton. And he lived to 108, so.
Again how does that make sense to you in Skyrim they're members in thalmor who were around when Tiber Septim conquered Summerset by between that time period and Skyrim is 800 years developers are smoking the good stuff
They ARE Elves that live naturally to 300-500 Years then they use *magic* to extended their life for thousands of years only if they're that powerful...The ranking of most powerful mages are Telvanni>Psijic>Maomer>Sload>Thalmor>Altmer>Bretons>The Rest of Dunmer Society besides the Telvanni>Mages Guild>Everybody Else>Redguards and Orcs. The Akaviri and Dwemer are unknown but very powerful. (Note these are ranking only the Mortal Beings NOT Vampires or Lesser Daedra or Gods or Cosmic Forces of Power)
@@flamesofchaos13 The mages guild should be a bit higher on that list in my opinion...heck the order stems from Vanus Galerion who is both altmer and former psijic order member not to mention the variability in how powerful each member is because of their vast presence across tamriel which attracts people from all backgrounds.
@@Strider_01 No what they have in numbers and adaptability they lack in the specialization and especially the mastery of certain forms of magic, Plus unlike every other magic practitioner they've purposefully limited their training and abilities by outlawing and forbidding magic such as Necromancy and Greater Daedric Summoning. Because of the Guild making all these rules or simply abiding by Imperial laws they CAN'T easily become Immortal so they can't learn more magic or practice on one specific form of magic for thousands of years, The difference between a 100 years of training vs a thousand years of training is well BIG.
Telvanni have zero rules meaning they FREQUENTLY do Necromancy, Greater Daedric Summoning, Using Living Test Subjects to experiment on, Fuck with and perhaps cure or improve Deadly Diseases, Travel to as many Magical Realms as possible....An live for Thousands of years to do all this and collect eons of knowledge and skills. Being Magical AND an Amoral Prick has it's Major Advantages.
I put in WHOLE Races such as the Altmer, Bretons and Dunmer. Do you understand that the ENTIRE populations of said Races would be able to fight and most likely destroy the Mage's Guild? They're NATIONS the Guild is just a Guild that's already gone.
The Maomer have Invaded Summerset and lived to tell the tale....They had to deal with the Psijic and LIVE. They apparently control Sea-Serpents and Sea Storms meaning they have Powerful *WATER-Magic* an Element NOBODY on Tamriel practices let alone trains with! So they're Specialized Magical Conquerors and Invaders of the MOST Magical Land on Tamriel and while they didn't keep it they did make an impression.
The Sload LITERALLY caused MORE then half of Tamriel's Population to be killed off with ONE Magical Disease they created!
In a FIGHT the Mage's Guild is fucked in the ass WITHOUT any form of lube, The ONLY ones it could beat are The Collage of Winterhold(Weakest) and the Races of Redguards and Orcs in a MAGIC-ONLY fight in a REAL fight you bet your sweet ass the Orcs and Redguards would Gang-Rape the Poor Guild!
@@flamesofchaos13 buddy I would have believed you if you didn't put Telvanni over the Psijics if you knew the lore the Psijics are far more powerful magically
If Magic is the extension of elven lifespan then explain how it only prolongs their lives and not the other races
@@Doralga 1. There ARE Humans and Beasts that have lived for hundreds of years I believe. 2. Elves are more Magically Gifted so they'll get access to whatever gives longer lifespans way way easier, Plus they naturally live longer anyway so that means they'll wait longer compared to a Human that at most needs to do it by 70 the Elf could wait until 370 before using this Magic. Also maybe because of the different Magical Prowess between Elves and Men maybe the lifespan only works for so long before it wears off....So a Human will last till 500 but an Elf can last till 1000 or something like this? I don't have the answer I'm not an expert just guessing here.
As for Telvanni and Psijic's I wanna see them in a fight first. Both are said to be powerful mages Telvanni got all the Hidden Knowledge BUT the Psijic do got Time-Stopping Magic so I'd need to see them go head to head to know for certain which is better overall.
Urag is definitely a powerful mage. Otherwise he’s bluffing when he threatens to “have you torn apart by angry atronachs”. Granted atronachs are not extremely advanced. I do think being the librarian of the winterhold college would require a great amount of aptitude.
I like to think he’s the strongest mage there, but chooses to be the librarian
considering everybody else only specializes in one kind of magic and they don't care if the archmage knows magic or not, probably yeah.
He must be a powerful mage, he is the keeper of almost all the knowledge in the College, so i think he is a very powerful mage
One thing people never take into account with Orc lifespans is that while, yes, Orcs usually die prematurely due to the whole "honorable death" thing, they likely don't live too crazy long past when they go searching, anyway. If an Orc is a nearly a feeble old man/woman by 70-80 or so, I doubt they would naturally live past 125-150. Thoughts?
Also, in regards to the comment made on "aging like a Breton": it's possible this indicates a shorter lifespan, but isn't it also possible that Bretons might stereotypically age worse than other human races? Bald sooner, Grey hair and wrinkles earlier, that sort of thing? I've not read this line so I don't know the full context, but I'd be wary to take that as meaning they have less of a lifespan than other human races.
Finally, on the Khajiit. Khajiit breeds aren't different races. As you stated, genetics play no part in determining the breed of Khajiit, only their birthday and the corresponding phases of the moon. With this in mind, the idea that different Khajiit breeds vary in lifespans like different species of cat in the real world makes little sense. A tiger has a different lifespan than a housecat because it's biologically different, but an Alfiq and a Senche-raht AREN'T necessarily biologically different (they could be siblings with the exact same parents, even). I find it completely plausible that their lifespans are the same across breeds, or at least that the varience is much more subtle.
If you read the in game book “Real story of Barenziah volume 2” the books says that some elves live up to 1000 years old, but most rarely do due to disease and violence. In fact I think queen barenziah herself is almost approaching 1000 years of age.
After watching last episode of Goblin Slayer, the elf archer is 2000 years old and still looks like a teen. I always though all elves lives by the thousands not the hundreds, and also from that Dawnguard snow elf.
Dawnguard's Snow Elf is a Magical and Holy Paladin who's being blessed/really cursed to live out their days protecting the Vale.
Dragon Age= Elves were Immortal then it was striped away leaving them with around a Human lifespan.
Witcher= Oh yeah Elves live for a long time but it's in suffering the entire time because humans have conquered their lands and subjugated more then half their population, The other off-world Elves ARE the Conquering-Invaders that Genocide whole Worlds at a time.....In the Witcher Elves live for 300-400 years but really very few will enjoy that longer lifespan.
LOTR= In Lord Of The Rings they're Immortal but go to/end up in War all the time lowering their Population.
So they CAN live to Thousands of Years but very few actually do.
Elder Scrolls= Watch the video here.
As you can see they're all different when it comes to Elven Lifespan.....So no they don't always live to thousands of years and it seems the ONLY general rule when it comes to Elven Lifespans is "They'll always live longer then Humans do".
The dawnguard snow elf is an undead vampire and highly magical
@@quincebielka8843 That's the brother what I said applies to The Knight-Paladin we meet FIRST and continues to live afterwards.
Really depends on the lore. Most fantasy systems for video games and pen and paper games (such as DnD, Forgotten Realms, and Pathfinder) tend to have elves that live between 400 and 800 years naturally. Most don't live beyond 1000 years without magical intervention, that's just LotR elves and a select few other notable series.
@@flamesofchaos13 Yeah, that Snow Elf is pretty much the Skyrim version of the knight from the end of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.
Why would the Orcs 'become useless' at the age of 60 or 80 and then end up living hundreds of years? I personally think that Orcs (on average) live to the age of 90 to say, 110.
(sorry to resurrect a 3 month old comment) if the developer comment about 200 year old elves being old and 300 year old elves being Very Old is taken at face value, it means that a very large chunk of a mer's life is considered old age (at least a third of it, possibly more depending on whether or not old age actually starts at 200) so if an orc is considered past their prime around 80 and if thats the first two thirds of their life then the full lifespan would probably be around 140 years. (i would also say that the traditional orsimer lifestyle probably puts a lot of stress on their body that essentially "catches up to them" at around 80 years old and that an orc raised in a different cultural context might not "become useless" until a later age, giving them a possibly even longer lifespan than 140)
The orc mage in charge of the library in the college of winterhold is over 600 years old
As the old orc in the random encounter said in orc culture its uncommon for them to live to old age since they think you should die when you're useful and can fight instead of dying peacefully in your sleep
they want a good death BEFORE they get old and unable to fight, before they become useless, not when, in the random encounters in skyrim, the "old" orcs are still capable fighters and far from geriatric
I always assumed that Khajit generally had the shortest lifespan in Elder Scrolls, because of the "Drunken Aphorisms" lorebook in ESO, where it had an entry reading "Khajit make the best wives, because they drink a lot, sleep a lot and don't live very long."
Of course, like you said, there's lots of types of Khajit, so this is possibly an average, or a reference only to the lifespan of the Cathay and Suthay (given that they're the only Khajit seen regularly outside of Elseweyr.)
I think a random farmer in Alinor with no magical training or talent could live an average lifespan of about 200 years. But since Altmer have a higher propensity for magical talent it is more common to see them live longer than this.
Funny thing is earliertoday I was actually really curious about this and suddenly it just popped up that you uploaded a video about lifespan of races 😂😂😂
I was thinking about it a while ago, I hope I gave you a good answer!
Both of you probably read some comments about it on an earlier video awhile ago because me and others were commenting about it.
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There's also the point that needs to be made that talented mages, not exceptional, but talented mages.
Well, Bosmer can live for at least three hundred years. Deveronian (who was most likely not affected by Sheogorath) was in both Oblivion (as an adult) and in Skyrim (also as an adult) and those two games are actually 200 years apart.
As for the Argonians, the Hist could actually make the Argonians live like LOTR Elves. So Argonians are one of the most mysterious on this topic.
I seem to remember random NPC dialogue regarding to lifespans. Largely from radiant and side quest including random NPC encounter in ESO... I remember there's nicely aged couple (human+khajiit) and the Human (which I'm pretty sure is redguard) mentions some displeasure about his khajiit wife not living as long as he will. I took that and have been running with that since I'd heard that.
Again in ESO, there was some random NPC dialogue. From a lady Dunmer this time, and she says something about her people/Elves? and makes an "about 500 years" statement. I was like... Neat, elves and 500 years sounds solid enough for me. And never have I ever seen an elf NoMagic a lifespan over that number so far. Except maybe Aylieds.
I had thought Bretons live about as long as all other human races. But it was those occasional tiny windows of implication being all... "Before (insert date reference)" and I'm all the sudden, "how old do you live again? I'm probs crazy though.
Orcs. Because of thier live hard, die young philosophy I had traditional orcs pegged at a flat 70 or so years. Well kept warriors (non-trad) maybe push 90. But Winterholds librarian shows me. Some of his dialogue sounds like he could be talking history or his own lifespan. If just his lifespan, he's friggin old. Like I'd clock him in at a fair 2hundy. Long enough to have seen the Oblivion Crisis blow by. But Factor the Orc are Elves just cursed for Boethia reasons. I'd think their spans are shorter than other elves. Clocking 250 max-age.
Agonians are... Weird. That one quest where a seemingly older argonian just poofs herself into a crocodile and how the ritual allegedly can be done multiple times (with some other NPC chat) lead me to think, technically a Hist worshipping Argonian doesn't have to die if they choose not to. Just become a younger different creature and bam.
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So can I create a Skyrim high elf character based on an npc that was alive during oblivion and Morrowind and they would still be alive?
When reading The Real Barenziah, Volume 2, one will find that Katisha mentions, in thought, the 1,000 year lifespans the gods granted the elves.
But it is also stated in this bookseries that barely any elf actually reaches such an age. They usually die of disease or accidents way before that.
Orcs and Nords used to live as long as the other elves, but they were cursed. Well, the nords were cursed. But their god-hero diverted the curse to the only race living nearby: the orcs. So now they both live to around 100 at most. Maybe not all orcs were cursed, and only those living in or near skyrim have such a short lifespan, but it's usually the case that if a race gets cursed that it's the entire race, although this is assuming a god cursed them directly.
The Khajit are one species and race. They just have different breeds. The smaller breeds are usually way better in magic, so in the end it could be that they all kinda live as long.
The Argonians do however have different species and races. So they could have a lot of variation in lifespan.
Aged like a Breton is more likely to mean that he aged like a human than an elf. Cassynder had a Dunmer mother and an Altmer/Imperial father, so he would have been a Dunmer. He also died at 55, not 49, and in a place like Tamriel, which is relatively violent, fairly primitive, and mostly feudal, middle aged would likely be earlier than mid 50's. In our own medieval period the life expectancy in Western Europe was only into the 40's at best. If 55 is considered middle aged in Breton society that seems pretty good, meaning they would probably live slightly longer than regular humans due to their mer blood, but not by a ridiculous amount (maybe to 100-110 without magic to prolong their lives).
Well we know of some humans that lived into their 80s naturally, specifically some emperors. And cassynder died young in that aspect. But you are right, I had not really considered that implication of the words. Nice catch! :)
@@ImperialKnowledge Thanks! I'm a nitpicky lore nerd so I notice little stuff like that lol
Remember life span is an average, and in the Medieval period infant mortality was high. On top of that, the plague waves and the Crusades did a lot to kill people before their expiration date..
Don’t forget about the snow elves. Knight-paladin gelebor is at least 4000 years old. Because his brother, who is around the same age, started the prophecy that led to harkon’s madness. This happened before the alessian empire cause serana, who was imprisoned after the prophecy was found, didn’t know about an empire at all. Though a counter is Vyrthur’s vampirism and Gelebor’s religious affiliations to Auri-El, who could be extending his life
Aged like a breton could just mean that they just look older faster
Yeah but appearing a higher age suggests weaker and more unhealthy when you're in your 40s or 50s I think
I think that makes way more sense, yes.
I think that same and another reason they why they live such short lifes is because how they have so much in fighting and plotting to backstab for power. There is a lot of fighting, stress, and just the way they live as they are a reflection of or middle age England France and other European nations around there. They didnt have the best conditions and had shorter lifespans.
To me it old age but look young
The male Argonian in the bee and barb tavern is over 250 years old possibly, as he was around in the first elder scrolls game arena.
I think the line about "aging like a Breton" probably has more to do with Breton's being seen as aging less gracefully as opposed to having shorter lives. We've all met people who seem surprisingly youthful for their age and others who are, well, decisively less so. Tbh, given some of what we see in the games, it seems like the races of Mer tend to reach maturity around a similar time as those of men but seem to hit old age relatively later. Indeed, the end of their lifespans are seemingly even later than that, possibly implying that their aging slows as they get older. If you were to chart how the races of Mer tend to age you'd probably end up with something like a logarithmic curve that gets flatter the older they get compared to humans whose curve would probably appear almost exponential, getting steeper as they get older. I could imagine that some odd genetic combination of those traits might result in Bretons living similar, even slightly longer, lives when compared to the other races of Men but also aging extremely poorly by comparison, appearing much older much sooner. Hence "aging like a Breton" being pejorative for aging ungracefully. All that said, I'd suspect that even if Breton's did live longer on average it would not be by quite as much as some would predict. I'd say probably closer to 10% longer on average. So using the scale here of 80 being fairly normal and 110 being a surprisingly long lived outlier we're talking 88 being fairly normal and 121 being a surprisingly long lived outlier. So not all that much different but those long lived outliers would definitely be considerably notable even from the outside looking in. As for the Orsimmer it's tough to say. Individuals like Urag at least suggest there's a distinct possibility they're at least closer to the lower end of that 2-3 centuries average but without more individuals for reference it's hard to say and their cultural propensity for fighting means that even without Individuals observing the whole "Good Death" tradition they're at much higher risk of dying early than many of the other peoples of Tamriel. I do think that "Good Death" tradition can serve as something of a reference though. It's notable that Orcs engaging in that tradition seem to be around the age of 60-80 in many cases but are, interestingly enough, still quite fit and even very capable warriors. In fact, as we hear it put in game, Orcs engaging in the tradition are looking for a good death before they get "too old" and "too frail." While the Orcs we meet engaging in this tradition generally do appear older the fact that they are often still quite fit and capable and are even engaging in this tradition so they can die before they are no longer fit and capable suggest that these Orcs are around middle age or so or at least a point in their life relatively akin to it. Not so old that they are no longer as strong and fit as they were but old enough that they soon will be. This wouldn't be too far off then from a lifespan of around 2 centuries so I think a reasonable estimation would be around 200 years average, give or take maybe 50 years or so. That said, the lifestyles of many Orsimmer and things like the "Good Death" tradition would probably severely depress their actual average lifespan considerably even if their true, natural lifespan were around 200 years.
A spinner of the green pact can live indefinately if they perform the daily river ritual
If the maximum lifespan of a human is 122 years then for the average high elf it without magic it would be 360-370 years
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The elves can live for thousands of years. Theres a few in game that even state it.
The biography of barenziah lays out a thousand year lifespan for elves
The Bosmer wouldn't have good life expectancies, as they would be vulnerable to wild animals, and to raids.
The Orsimer are a rather mysterious topic. On the one hand, they are the descendants of Aldmer, who were followers of Trinimac. As a result, I would expect them to be long-lived. On the other hand, they were changed by Boethiah, in their morphology and their behaviour, and thus their lifespan could have been among the many changes, which could drop them down to a human lifespan. And I say human lifespan because they have lived up to 80 before. It really is a conundrum. I'd say that it depends on your school of thought. Either they could live long as the other mer, or they can only live for as long as humans can. And who knows, it could be somewhere in-between. In any case, they probably never live through their first century.
To rank the life expectancies of each of the playable races of men, in my opinion, I'd say that the Nords and Redguards share similarly brutal and short lives, with the Redguards ranking just slightly above due to them likely having more of an economy, maybe one with actual farmers. As for Imperials, I'd say that is split between the Colovians and the Nibenese by only one or two years, with the Nibenese living only slightly longer lives due to better access to magic and medicine. Though even so, I think their life expectancies might be somewhat better than Roman and Greek, as they have actual medicine, meanwhile their real world counterparts had astrology pseudo-science bullshit.
I'd like to mention that writers tend to be sneaky fuckers--I should know, I am one--and given the lack of context, as I don't know what book you're using for the Bretons, it could mean the exact opposite. It could be a way of saying that someone has aged quite well, or just looks younger than they actually are. But of course, given the lack of context, I could be talking complete bullshit. Though I suspect that either way, they can, and have used magic to extend their lifespans many times in the past.
I agree on the Khajiit, and would like to add that perhaps the Manes will perhaps live the longest? As for Argonians, I agree with you, and have some more input. There are certain tribes among the Argonians, who share similar traits from the Hist. An infamous example being the Naga tribe. Perhaps an Argonian's lifespan also varies based on their tribe? Even so however, it's likely that they don't live very long anyway given the flora and fauna of Black Marsh. Though with a powerful-enough restorationist, then perhaps they can extend their lifespans.
@Daniel Byrne The Redguards and the Nords do, however, have strikingly similar cultural themes of anti-magic, and of combat, not to mention the clan wars between the Crowns and the Forebears. In addition, the environments of Hammerfell would be roughly as hostile as in Skyrim. The Redguards do have very advanced technology, and I'm not doubting that--likely through the Dwemeri tech left behind like with the Dunmer. It's just the application of that technology that it mainly depends on. Agricultural and horticultural technology improves the availability of nutrients, thus improving a people's average life expectancy. Medical technology also increases it through the treatment of pathogens and injuries, which also effectively extends someone's life. Then there's also the technology of security, weapons, and armour, which can have mixed results for life expectancy based on crime, domestic violence, and war. In the case of a very arid location like the Alik'r Desert that Hammerfell is famous for, then the availability of water is also a factour.
I think the Dunmer might have roughly equivalent technology due to the Dwemeri tech.
@Daniel Byrne I'm not making anything up. It's merely speculation. And why are you so aggressive? Of course the Redguards aren't going to build cities in the middle of the desert, that's dumb.
And if you're trying to argue against me, please maintain a more professional tone, and tell me why I'm wrong with a little more counter-evidence. And besides, cannons make no difference to the life expectancy of a people. Now tell me, what would make such a majour difference in the life expectancy of Nords and Redguards?
@@deadknight1402 On the Breton Lifespan thing...It is the Brief History of the Empire V2 Lore Book that mentions this and it's about the ageing of Cassynder Septim. Here's the exact quote "When Cassynder assumed the throne upon the death of his mother, he was already middle-aged. Only half Elven, he aged like a Breton. In fact, he had left the rule of Wayrest to his half-brother Uriel due to poor health. Nevertheless, as the only true blood relation of Pelagius and thus Tiber, he was pressed into accepting the throne. To no one's surprise, the Emperor Cassynder's reign did not last long. In two years he joined his predecessors in eternal slumber."
Here's a link to a website showing the entire Lore Book Series www.imperial-library.info/content/brief-history-empire-v1 if you want to check it out.
@@deadknight1402 I don't think the Dunmer made much use of Dwemer tech just as the Nords didn't. At least, you don't see it happening. Aside from Markarth (where they were just inhabiting, not using, a pr-existing Dwemer structure), I don't see any evidence of it. My guess is because the Dunmer considered them heretics and the Nords considered them ... well ... elves.
@@nathanwhite64 Though in that case, I suppose the Redguards also wouldn't use Dwemeri technology from the ruins in their province due to them being elves, as the Redguards hate elves just as much as the Nords.
Aging like a Breton could imply he's aging slowly
Liberal Socialist and they are half altmer
Creature lifespans seem to be strongly related to telemere lengths. Telemeres are a type of DNA found at the ends of each chromosome that are not properly replicated with each cell division. The shorter the telemere portion is, the quicker the creature dies because it begins to damage the coding portionsof dna quicker once the telemere portions are gone.
I have always been interested in it.
Bhuddism teaches about a planet in the galaxy where beings live for hundreds or thousands of years and enlightenment is total immortality
I've always found it odd that we seem so fond of races that are long-lived compared to humans, (elves, dwarves, etc.,) yet humans are always the same. Why doesn't some people try to make a story where humans just live longer?
They do, in every medieval story where they reach modern lengths of life
The middle earth series has humans living 200+ years naturally. 1,000+ with magic.
Most of the time in fantasy humans are the only grip on reality. humans can use magic in most stories but most office used them as like the part of reality in the fantasy world humans usually don't live longer because humans in real life don't
@@jyrikgaulderson8041 Wait, there is magic in the Lord of the Rings universe? Since when?
@@Lupinemancer87 have you not read the books?
Regarding the different lifespans of Khajit races, in ESO we see Zaji's mum is the house cat kind of Khajit but is commented to be old enough to have raised Zaji and her other children.
So I doubt that the house cat sized khajit have the lifespans of the real life house cat.
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Okay time for my argonian to go and capture a fertile altmer to take back to black marsh. so I can start a dark magic ritual with the hist to breed her with my mix breed child.
Argonians can't cross-breed :P
@@AlyssaGrawey that's why he's using Magic and dark magic to boot
O_O well okay then...
@@AlyssaGrawey the hist will find away to help me fertilize her fertile womb till she is pregnant with sixtuplets
@@loverofallsouls1913 Well given where you are on that political compass (We are the same thing apparently I'm just a few squares below you and a few squares to the right of you....Look I'm in that corner is what I'm saying) I'm NOT surprised at all....Plus you're a Filthy Lizard (I was also an Argonian).
WRONG the keyword is TELVANNI you know the GREATEST Mages on Tamriel besides MAYBE the Psijic.
They most certainly use Magic to keep themselves alive for thousands of years but I'd say their natural life span is 500 years.
Flames Of Chaos it is not a «maybe» though. The Psijic order can pause time for simply having a chat. Send holograms of themselves. They can even teleport the Eye of Magnus. They are most likely the most powerful wizards to exist.
@@isarex88 Until it's proven that the Telvanni can't do any of those things I'm just gonna tie them.
When speaking to Divayth Fyr's daughter clones in Morrowind (the TES3 one not the ESO expansion), one of them mentions that he is the most powerful sorcerer in Vvardenfel (not counting divine sorcerers like Vivec, or Liches). However she also sais that only some sorcerers in High Rock and Summerset Isle are able to surpass him. So I'm pretty sure the Breton's and Altmer have some hardcore sorcerer's that can surpass the Telvanni. Not to mention the nordic archmage Shalidor apparently was one of the most powerful archmages of all time even putting elven sorcerer's to shame. He on his own managed to transport his island to another plane, just like the Psijic could transport the Isle of Artaeum.
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I like the telvanni as much as anyone. But its pretty canonically stated the Psijic order is more powerful as a whole.
I mean they teleported their entire Island chain out of Nirn altogether.
The only Telvanni lord more powerful than any member of the Psijic order is Divath Fyr. And in the Elder Scrolls he straight up pushed Nocturnal back by himself.
So while I am quite certan Divath Fyr is the most powerful Wizard in existence, of the two orders Psijic and Telvanii the Psijic order has more power and accomplishments as a group. The High Elves Sapiarchs are also a powerful contender but I dont know much about them other than what Nocturnal did.
And they actually work together
For all the Telvanni's power, they never work together to further their power and hinder themselves.
The lore also states that orcs lived in Cyrodil long before the whole Boethia & Malacath thing sooo it’s pretty contradictory. One of the fun things about ES lore is that most of the information we have is from the perspective of natives of Nirn, mostly Tamriel ofc, who aren’t omniscient. They don’t know everything. There’s contradictions from person to person, race to race. They all have their own opinions & perspectives like people on earth. That’s why the different races have varying views on creation & things like that in some regards. It’s written to be like that.
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I was expecting something much longer however I suppose with my character having a dunmer as a wife would probably prolong it
I think the orcs can live as long as other elves but they just feel the effects of aging much quicker, which is probably apart of their curse. Forced to watch other elves twice their age look and act half their age while they suffer all the worst effects of aging.
the whole elder scrolls lore is fluid and subject to change on a whim due to 'dragon breaks', to take any lore to be official or set in stone is rediculous. They make it up as they go and change it to suit.
What is the lifespan of orcs? Well, I can't be sure, of course. But I can try a way of guessing it.
Estimates vary but I've seen some numbers that human strength tends to start to really diminish in our 50s. We live until like 80-90 years. So a little over halway into our lives our strength would start to diminish if this estimate is true. Potentially we could use this to figure out the age of orcs since Orcs culture says their strength diminishes at around 60-80 years.
We do have to make three assumptions to do this though:
First assumption is that orcish physiology is similar enough to human physiology that they would decline in strength at about the same relative age compared to their total lifespan as humans do. It could also be the case that orcs are strong for a larger percentage of their life and only start to decline in strength very late in their life.
Second assumption is that what they mean in their culture with "becoming useless" is just the start of their strength decay and not the end of it or something. That would push their age way down. But so let's assume that, being such a warrior race, the orcs' definition of "useless" here means "your strength has started to diminish." Since, presumably, they'd want to find an honourable death while still close to their prime.
The third assumption is that the orcs are correct in saying that their strength diminishes in their 60s and 80s and this isn't just an urban myth.
If we assume the original numbers are correct and have these assumptions then we can come up with the following formula: Human age would be dictated by the formula something along the lines of "50*1.8=90" that would be "age of strength loss * 1.8 = total natural lifespan." If we apply this formula to the orcs then we get 60*1.8 = 108 at the low end and 80*1.8=144 at the upper end. Which would mean Orcish lifespan is somewhere between 108-144 long, but lets make that 110-150 just to have nice round numbers.
If you want to be a little less generous then you could potentially use the formula "50*1.7=85" for humans (since that is a bit closer to the actual average) and that would make the orc ones 60*1.7=102 or 80*1.7=136.
On the other hand, if you wanted to really probe the top of Orcish lifespans this way then you could perhaps use 50*2.4=120 (around the age of the oldest human ever recorded) for humans and that would translate to 80*2.4=192 for very old orcs. That's all without magic, of course. If you assume magic then you could possibly get those numbers much, much higher still.
I think when it says "aged like a breton" it refers to how they get super wrinkly
Talen-Jei, one of the owners of the Bee and Barb, has been alive since Arena, at least. Why would a Hist make a common bartender live that long?
Just so you're aware the average lifespan of a medieval persona was around 50. 40 for tribal societies like the vikings. and 30ish for hunter gatherers.
I'm glad someone finally pointed this out lmao
That's because of diseases though, and praying at a shrine or drinking a potion gets rid of that
@@NoMaloneUnturned2Not as far as I'm aware. I've read biographies on a few medieval and renaissance people who died in their 50's and most of them died naturally.
Even in the 60's people died youngish. 60. maybe 70 if they were lucky.
Nah the average lifespan was skewd due to a lot of childhood death. If you passed childhood you had a pretty good chance to live to your 60s and 70s
couldn't agree more
Literally every agent the library and threatens you with angry Atronach I think he's good with magic
I don't think it's intended for us to understand all the lore, or at least make it difficult to separate truth from propaganda as in real life.
For average lifespan I think a shopkeeper or innkeeper in a walled city would be a good point of reference. It seems a reasonably safe job, that's not taxing on the body, and doesn't really require any demonstration of either magical or alchemical knowledge. Basic frost/fire spells would likely be useful for cooking, or food preservation, but not really thought about much.
Priests likely know some restoration magic, and I would be surprised if they couldn't add a few years to their lives using it, but not really talking about it. Imagine Danica Pure-Spring casting a healing spell on herself before she goes to bed at night.
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I think Orcs max normal fife span is 120-160 years but with magic it can go to 250
I think the comment "He aged like a Breton" is meant as "he didn't age well", maybe Bretons don't age well i.e that they start
looking older earlier. I've heard a similar thing along the lines of "That man aged like milk in the sun"
(when you leave milk out it gets moldy and spoiled)
On the flip side maybe it was meant as a compliment you know "Aged like fine wine".
Is there context to the quote or is it just out there by it self?
The Man that quote is speaking about Died at 49 to 55....So yes it means he Aged Faster NOT Slower.
It's all about someone referring to a Septim Emperor's Health.
@@flamesofchaos13 Hmm thanks for the explanation. But I just don't see that as enough proof that they live less than for instance Imperials
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Well Imperials live to 70-80 on average like us. So yeah they live longer if that phrase is to be believed, Truthfully I think it's a really cool thing that the entire race has a side effect of being half-blooded....Yeah we got all this awesome magic but we'll die faster.
@@flamesofchaos13 Hmm it is a cool consept but I just think that it would have been mentioned more. Like I find it odd that no character has directly addressed that. If it is true that Bretons have a shorter lifespan than most races then Bethesda really missed a chance to make a storyline of the gift and the curse of the Bretons. It also sounds like something that you should write in the brief summary of a racw when you're making a character
@@flamesofchaos13 Hmm well considering how they retconed a lot of things in the past maybe they did do that.
Ps: An actual conversation about lore without outright yelling at each other that the other person is wrong is actually quite nice.
The old debate about the lifespan of the tamrielic races. We really don't have enough proof for any race and people made "educated guesses" all over the place for years.
My more or less headcanon on this matter (non magic extended):
#1 Altmer: 400-500 years. Said to be the race with the highest lifespan
#2 Dunmer: 350-450 years. Wouldn't make sense to be a lot shorter than Altmer, maybe lower average because of disease and stuff (Morrowind), but that's not a natural death.
#3 Bosmer: ~200 years. Most likely a lot shorter than Altmer/Dunmer but still longer than Men as we never really hear about century old Bosmer.
#4 Nord, Imperial and Redguard: 80-100 years. Normal humans.
#5 Breton: 60-80 years. I'm one of those that think the miniscule amount of elven blood they have makes them have shorter lives, but that's probably the most debatet one.
#6 Orcs (Orsimer) 50-60 years. Because of the curse of Orkey, which could be bollocks for all we know.
#? Khajiit: ? As far as I know we have zero idea what the lifespan of any Khajiit furstock is. I do think the more human like furstocks are close to humans but that may not be the case for the other ones.
#? Argonian: Argonians life as short or as long as the Hist needs them to, but without special reason I think they won't be that far off a normal human's lifespan.
Everyone is related to the Bosmer, they are the Irish of Elder Scroll as they have shagged their way into Tamriel 😆
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There is plenty of content in the mainline games that says elves live 2000 years average. The lore from the main development team should be believed over the development team from eso. In fact I think it's face to assume that the orsemer are the shortest lived, probably a couple hundred or even a thousand. I think all the other elves probably love at least a thousand for the non rich/magic practicing and up to an average of 2000 years for the rich/magic practicing.
then again after the red mountain eruption, the dunmers life span probally went down alot
im YEARS late on this; but I want to start with the Khijiit; it needs to be stressed that there are not different RACES of Khijiit, the rahts are BREEDS. the difference between and Afliq and a Bandari is the difference between a Chihuahua and a Black Lab; they have different sizes but both will live between 9-15 years or so. Ahzirr Traajijazeri basically spells this out; and the author stresses that life is short. its speculation, yes, but seems to me that their life span is more animalistic rather than anthropomorphic; with life spans perhaps 20-30 years.
I also find it very hard to believe, with so many sources like the censored and uncensored versions of The Real Barenziah stating plainly that elves can live upwards of 1000 years, that they would only live a couple hundred. Bosmer are the shortest lived, but we're talking 400; Altmer live to 800ish, we're straight up told that Dunmer live the longest. NOW, if we're talking life EXPECTANCY, then yeah, I'd say by 300-400 years old something is likely to kill you, for that matter Nords likely die by 40 on average, Orc by 30 or less, but thats more a factor of war or natural causes, if we mean pure life-span, I'm going to have to argue that Nords, Imperials, and Redguard live to 80-100 like RL humans, and I'd have to argue that Bretons are very much a copy and paste from LOTR lore, the blood of Numinar, and, like Arigorn, would live twice a human life span. I agree that the quote you give is valid, but with so many Bretons around, I just doubt they would be so short lived.
orcs wouldnt try and die by 60 if they lived for much longer than that, they were cursed, again, their history is lifted quite a lot from Tolkien, and with their decent from the favor of the gods they gave up their lifespan, I assume the same here.
I know that the recorded longest-living being in TES is a dunmer, Divayth Fyr, I believe, with more or less 4000 years on his back.
João Pedro Gonçalves Guimarães actually the sea elf Orgnum is the oldest he apparently was alive before the elves left Aldmeris and was banished from there
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You are correct. Orgnum is technically immortal as far as years of lifespan and has been that way since before Divath fyr was born.
Which makes me wonder what would happen if a bosmer and a Altmer where to have offspring would that extend the life of The Offspring?
In elder scrolls they take on the apperence, and lifespan of their mother, and get the natural affinities from their fathers. Just like the bretons.
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Didn't watch yet but do you include vampires?
I wouldn't think vampires would be considered a race. Besides, they're immortal.
They're a virus not a race created by Molag then peryite and finally Clavicus with lion Vampire in cyrodil
@@Doralga never heard of peryite vampires but I know vampire is classified as a race in Skyrim.
@@hordlood look up the whet fang of black Marsh the short version is that peryite hated the Argonians they're resistance to decease Peryite cursed some with a Vampirism even they wouldn't resist unlike the rest of Vampires they get green skin and Gold eyes as apposed to pale skin and red eyes
@@hordlood Vampires are classified as a "race" in skyrim's game mechanics but not in its lore.
I think the term “age like a Breton” might just mean that the person in question got really gaunt and ugly as he aged.
I’ve heard before that the mixture of mer and mannish traits can manifest in Bretons in a really gross way when they get old, mostly in the nobility though which is more elvish than the rest of the population.
Khajiits, Maiq lived from the 2nd era, to the events of skyrim
Why suddenly regret partly choosing a bosmer as a character now cuz I thought they would live longer
Elves who aren't powerful mages live about 3 times as long as humans, elves that are very powerful magic users have lived around 4000 years.
Interesting
Well the average human being starts to biologically slow down so to speak when they are in their mid 40s, and from what I have seen in Skyrim and Online, it appears that most Orcs who live inside of traditional Orcish societies tend to be no older than the age at which they are about the same percentage into their total lifespan as that. And since I'm fairly certain that the one Orc whom you meet in a random encounter was in his 80s or something like that, it is probably safe to assume that 80s for an Orc is about the same as 40s for a human. So it can therefor be approximated that, if they actually decided to die of old age the average Orc could probably live to be at least 170 years old, about twice as long as a human being, but still only about 70% by my estimate of the other races of Mer.
What about The Greybeards? How the hell are they so old? And what race are they? Nord? Atmoran?
Yes
Have you heard of the High Elves?
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Here is the best theory of each lifespan of each race.
1.High Elf- 450-500 years on average, max 2,000 years ( indefinite with life extending magic )
2.Dark Elf- 350-400 years on average, max 1,000 years ( indefinite with life extending magic )
3.Wood Elf- 150-300 years on average, max 500 years
4.Orc- 150-200 years on average, max 300 years ( most dies on the age of 80 by " good death " )
5.Argonian- 140-210 years on average, max 300 years
6.Kajit- 80-300 years on average, max 100-320 years ( depending the spices )
7.Nord- 75-100 years on average, max 120 years
8.Imperials- 50-100 years on average, max 120 years
9.Randguards - 45-80 years on average, max 115 years
10.Berton- 35-54 years on average, max 80 years ( they age rapidly )
Has anyone ever tried contacting the creator of the Elder Scrolls series (I think his name is Julian or something) to ask him these lore questions?
Well I think people have tried, but he cant say anything legally and claim its official to the francise since its bethesdas intellectual property
What about m’aiq the lair he existed in a two games is he immortal or do they just live really long lives
They ruined M'aiq by having him say his father, father's father and so on were callad that too.
I think the orcs sense there cursed elves probably live 150-250 maybe longer sense the orc mage at college of winterhold
I want to say something to te roc age assumption while I do not doubt that orcs can have very log live you have to look at the fact that they are imbread af so the 80 year life span seems a lot more likely
I wouldnt assume the librarian of a magic school is untalented in magic lmao the jedi librarian didnt struggle in her own right
10:12 what if it's the magic use that ages them?