Shadow I wouldn't compare Ike haters to smash 4 Cloud haters, since Cloud in smash 4 was actually busted-people who didn't complain either just accepted it or liked Cloud as a character. And Ike is not brain dead-you have to outplay your opponent while only having like 3 neutral tools, which is very difficult in high level play.
The year is 20XX PFC gained in popularity and the meta is now based on PFC punishes. Cosmos dropped Inkling, who basically became low tier because of that, and mains Corrin again.
Well, I've seen a bunch of Melee fans say they learned all this games techniques in a day to a week and there no way to push it further unlike with melee o3o so that made probably 40% of potential people straight up not even try to test random things out. Then you got the people who are winning already and think they don't need to lab out stuff as they are convinced nothing game changing will be found.
I feel like this game with all the new funky mechanics is weird, but it just creates endless opportunities. Thank you lord gimr for illuminating to us the potential we didnt know was there.
kofi agyeman If a couple players adopt something something good then it usually branches out in the community pro players definitely do stuff like that all the time
@@sleepyshaman6544 If is big right there. There's been some crazy tech around for a while, even in past iterations, some of which are ironed out and others which are expanded upon. And granted, the comments section of a GimR video is a more open-minded place, conversations with smashers, not just top players (who don't all utilize top tier tech - not using a top tier character, but techniques with high demand) have been consistent; avoiding using certain moves or techniques because it's difficult to land. While I understand the argument, I don't agree with it. And smash post melee is, for the most part, the only FGC where I've consistently seen players avoid using certain tools outright. And it's not like there is even alot to choose from. This is the reason you will rarely see kills, setups and combos involving Falcon Punch, Ganon U-Tilt, Kirby Hammer etc. Why you won't see people consider using DK down B. It' understandable, but look at other series. Players will use every tool they can and practice to be as efficient as possible. I didn't mean to run down a rabbit hole, and I'm sorry if you read this. I try not to bring these points up in regards to smash. I'm well aware of why the ruleset is what it is, and I'm very appreciative of GimR for all of his hard work to advance the meta, and many other players as well. I just find it... limited at times. Have a good day.
For my Mega Man players, if you don’t have the MB un hands you can just leaf shield, who cancel your footstool jump and make or even easier cause it doesn’t matter if you do a full hop or a short hop footstool
@@FellixNoAmatsu Greninja has unconfirmed Footstool Combos. I whipped up something nice my own original combo a while back 🐸 Things can work if your opponent doesn't know the right way to D.I. xD
I have found some PFC with ness and lucas. Lucas: Use djcz to cancel your footstool jump and continue to combo them with djcz. You can’t buffer a djcz after a footstool like you can with a jump, because the grab button works exactly like your attack button when you footstool someone. You have to djcz right after the footstool animation is over(djcz doesn’t combo until 40 or so on taller characters). Ness: Do a djc magnet to the right or left (doesn’t matter) and b-reverse the magnet. Hold magnet until u get the second hit of magnet and then immediately release it(if you release it too late the opponent will be too far to combo). Now you can combo it into another djc magnet into aerial or you can just up-smash or turn-around down-smash to finish the combo.
Most things in this game that you try and footstool will cause a phantom footstool (Like when you footstool a shield) air dodge landing lag is the only other thing I can think of
dont feel bad for long videos!! they are simply the best for us to learn and also for you to get that youtube algorithm!! good shit homie sadly i hate bowser jr but good find :^)
If I was in a tournament and a Pac-Man killed me with parry -> footstool -> hydrant -> key, I think I would put down the controller, walk out of the venue, and go home to rethink my life.
I greatly appreciate providing so many examples with Sonic. Because he's so hated in the community, it's actually pretty hard to find Sonic guides and advanced tech etc besides spinshot.
Gonna have to try parry footstool c4 detonation. Not really optimal, might only work well on taller characters, but the swag. I’m not sure what the faf on detonate is but maybe there are follow ups at low percent
If Mega Man’s opponent isn’t in up-tilt kill %, then you should go for PFC. however, even if z-dropped metal blade still doesn’t get them into kill percent since z-dropped Metal blade might only hit twice or so, you can do PFC, throw metal blade downward to get 4 hits or so, drift backwards, get 1 hit of b-air to get a drag down, and finally up tilt. It’ll probably kill midweights at 75-80% or so, which probably wouldn’t kill normally with z-drop up tilt.
I kinda hate that the Smash Ult community is always saying "No this is too hard to learn" like honestly if the Melee community had the same mindset as the Smash Ult community the melee we know and love probably wouldnt even exist today, let alone be considered eSports worthy to this day still.
That's fine, this is probably too difficult for the casual audience. People watching these are probably a bit more serious and are willing to invest the time to learn these more advance tech
@@petercottantail7850 lol no it's been that way for almost two decades. helped/hurt by changes in accessibility with each entry. @FelixNoAmatsu, louder for the folks in the back, and every day, because yes, it's eSports now!! #Banned even though the game has 100+ diverse stages #NoSwearing.
I've been waiting for you, and I mean who else but you, to take smash to the next level. Thoughts on Kirbykid's series on smash tech and particularly parry option selects? Do you think the tech highlighted in the video series is still relevant though it was labbed in smash 4? And do you think the overall system changes such as buffering and input lag help or hurt the ability to pull them off.
Lucas already has great footstool combos, PFC could be really strong. You could probably Footstool + psi magnet into tech situations/kill or other crazy things
Finally someone is actually using footstools again o3o people think it's useless because it's techable when used in the air, even though people don't always land their techs =b and if course that isn't an issue for grounded footstools
It’s difficult to do this with Greninja because his initial short jump is just so dang high. If the character is short like fox or Kirby, it feels like I only get it 50% of the time and I think it depends on spacing completely. The bigger the character, the easier it gets.
Was this all of the follow ups you found? If not, I think a follow up video for every character would be appreciated, when you get time of course. Who I'm most interest in though is Ken; he's my main, and with how fast his moves come out I think this can be straight up busted on him.
ive tried and istant reverse z drop to footstool instand rar but didnt work because my bair is frame -100 but i can autocancel into freeze frame 1 punish
![[PATCHED OUT!] Buffered Tilt Boosting (BTB) - Rivals 2 Tech](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/BlsWPEzBYpA/mqdefault.jpg)
Labbing this out on every character took forever...
Thank you for the hard work!
Nice job!
I’m wondering if you can with ness PFC down Air to buffer jump to footstool jablock. It’s not a true jablock but it’s sounds like a fun mix up.
Time to go back to the Lab then ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
Can Zelda get sweet spot fair or Nair off this?
Goddamn gimr hates ike nair so much he revolutionized the meta to make the move more punishable.
LOL Everyone hates Ike Nair!
GimR's Lab *spaces Ike nair*
And I happen to love Ike's nair (since I play Ike).
@@cullenhutchison6528 we have a braindead idiot over here
icebear Hanner how tf is he braindead for playing Ike? I bet your the same type of person who complained about Cloud in 4
Shadow I wouldn't compare Ike haters to smash 4 Cloud haters, since Cloud in smash 4 was actually busted-people who didn't complain either just accepted it or liked Cloud as a character. And Ike is not brain dead-you have to outplay your opponent while only having like 3 neutral tools, which is very difficult in high level play.
hold up, i gotta make a joke about getup attacks.
Shame the tech uses grounded footstool and not the type that forces a tech chase. The joke would have been so free.
@@TimG57867 I mean
r/whoosh
but yknow
Hold A*
Elias Cedeno r/ihavereddit
@@seansolo3583 Hang on a god damn minute....
Samsora is typing...
_Tweek is typing..._
*Kameme is hyping...*
*_Tea is liking._*
*mkleo has left the game*
lol
@@bray4883 ally has left the game
wilson more like retired
I cant wait for kameme to capitalize 😈😈
This actually looks SUPER useful
S'up Henke.
Like your vids
Hey Henke!
@@zach8280 ...May I ask why you felt the need to say that? Or would I just be feeding a troll?
@@zach8280 Not cool, dude.😐
thanks henke very cool
Interesting stuff.
The other meta God has spoken
👀
Yooo where are you? Your videos are really great
@@ello-olle irl stuff
GimR can't footstool you if you crouch as Piranha Plant(It auto bites).
#PlantGang
Piranha plant just went from bottom tier to top tier.
The year is 20XX. Plant is top tier because PFC doesn’t work on him
You can't crouch if you have landing lag, can you?
@@joyouspaul1727 nah
That's true.
The year is 20XX
PFC gained in popularity and the meta is now based on PFC punishes. Cosmos dropped Inkling, who basically became low tier because of that, and mains Corrin again.
I would actually be insanely hyped if that happens
bob bill why do u want cosmos to suffer
Armada never joins competitive Smash Ultimate because of PFC
And pirhana plant is top tier because you can’t footstool him while he’s crouching
this has aged really well lmaooooooooooooooooo
It always blows my mind how a single man advances the meta so much
Daniel Wappner I find it funny how he can just name the tech whatever he wants
Well, I've seen a bunch of Melee fans say they learned all this games techniques in a day to a week and there no way to push it further unlike with melee o3o so that made probably 40% of potential people straight up not even try to test random things out. Then you got the people who are winning already and think they don't need to lab out stuff as they are convinced nothing game changing will be found.
"GimR's Crusade to Break Ultimate - Part 17"
Hi MockRock, i love your vids
GIMR is the only youtuber I actually have notifications on for
same
As a Toon Link main, I'm going PFC bomb to fair.
Yes that's means I took your stock at 80 because you hit my shield
ProBro X just get up attack
Why didnt I think of that.
Empty full hop into grab :)
Cant you z drop bomb out of shield from a short hop then hit fair? It kills at ledge at 80 too
I play Bayo and Wii Fit so I don't know what I could possibly do with this lol.
I mean I am learning Sheik 👀👀
I feel like this game with all the new funky mechanics is weird, but it just creates endless opportunities. Thank you lord gimr for illuminating to us the potential we didnt know was there.
appreciate the comment
I like how he uploads this after CEO because his videos are like meta patches. Everyone's gonna be practicing this now!
Do you know smash players? I small percentage will, and kudos to them, but it's doubtful the larger community will.
kofi agyeman If a couple players adopt something something good then it usually branches out in the community pro players definitely do stuff like that all the time
Doubt everyone will be using this
@@sleepyshaman6544 If is big right there. There's been some crazy tech around for a while, even in past iterations, some of which are ironed out and others which are expanded upon. And granted, the comments section of a GimR video is a more open-minded place, conversations with smashers, not just top players (who don't all utilize top tier tech - not using a top tier character, but techniques with high demand) have been consistent; avoiding using certain moves or techniques because it's difficult to land.
While I understand the argument, I don't agree with it. And smash post melee is, for the most part, the only FGC where I've consistently seen players avoid using certain tools outright. And it's not like there is even alot to choose from.
This is the reason you will rarely see kills, setups and combos involving Falcon Punch, Ganon U-Tilt, Kirby Hammer etc. Why you won't see people consider using DK down B. It' understandable, but look at other series. Players will use every tool they can and practice to be as efficient as possible.
I didn't mean to run down a rabbit hole, and I'm sorry if you read this. I try not to bring these points up in regards to smash. I'm well aware of why the ruleset is what it is, and I'm very appreciative of GimR for all of his hard work to advance the meta, and many other players as well. I just find it... limited at times. Have a good day.
@@kofiagyeman thank you for the actually thought out reply i hope you have a good day too
Name a more iconic duo than GimR and footstool combos. I'll wait.
Salam and Salt?
Me and Ur mum
Dan M - 13 year olds and your mom jokes
GimR and get up attack
Leffen and controversy.
Bringing the mastery skillcap of this game through the ceiling as always. I love it ❤
Fun fact, the bowser jr fs to up b didn't connect before patch 3.1.0 good stuff.
that's hilarious, had no clue
It now has a hit box when it lands i heard
fs? Which move is that again?
@@LloydTheZephyrian forward smash
Not Fsmash, it's the footstool which this video covered
I just noticed slowed down parry sound is just 64’s knockback sound
Also, I manually slowed the video on my phone, and GimR just sounds drunk.
@@DeltaTried no joke at 4:20 lmao
I thought the home-run bat hit sound slowed down was just 64's knockback sound. Which one is it?!
I love seeing sick new tech come out from gimr. Its so nice to look at.
What about get up attack?
He probably read the title and not actually watched the video
@@jayvonchimilio4812 tis just a joke
Is it just me or this joke is starting to get repetitive
@@Liam-ly1rr nah it's just you
@@magicjuicechannel no it isn't
I don't even play smash but I love watching GimR vids. So informative!
I'll need to practice fs side with jr
Thanks GimR
The inkling reverse parry footstool combo was hilarious! Also Bowser Jr. Has always been one of my favorites I'll have to try this out!
And if this alows for Duck Hunt set-ups, then let me express my happiness for being a Duck Hunt definitive main.
F*** Yeah!!!
Zenthic Epic it’s called enhanced survivability my dude
@@danshandude2903 it's called being fucking annoying
@@danshandude2903 nice.
What if im already subscribed and ive alr hit the bell, should i consider hitting it again?
Hit it twice weeb. OwO
Nah mix it up and do a get up attack.
make 5 new accounts and follow the steps
You uploading a video isn’t super common but when you do the wait was very much worth it, very good videos with great information.
thank you! Trying my best to get videos out weekly
For my Mega Man players, if you don’t have the MB un hands you can just leaf shield, who cancel your footstool jump and make or even easier cause it doesn’t matter if you do a full hop or a short hop footstool
Gimr! This is so sick! Mad respect for labbing this out!
Thank you so much for your hard work, it may not seem like it but you are help developing the meta of a lot of characters 👍
Just because something is really hard to pull off doesn't mean it's not Tournament Viable. Nice showcase GimR!^.^
We need more Smash Ult people thinking like this xD
@@FellixNoAmatsu Greninja has unconfirmed Footstool Combos. I whipped up something nice my own original combo a while back
🐸
Things can work if your opponent doesn't know the right way to D.I. xD
I don't know, a week ago, I was watching 3.0 elegant and he was ABUSING the invincible cyclone glitch. Somethings are just worth learning I guess.
It's really cool watching all the new discoverable tech come out. People like you are a godsend. Much appreciated!
I have found some PFC with ness and lucas.
Lucas: Use djcz to cancel your footstool jump and continue to combo them with djcz. You can’t buffer a djcz after a footstool like you can with a jump, because the grab button works exactly like your attack button when you footstool someone. You have to djcz right after the footstool animation is over(djcz doesn’t combo until 40 or so on taller characters).
Ness: Do a djc magnet to the right or left (doesn’t matter) and b-reverse the magnet. Hold magnet until u get the second hit of magnet and then immediately release it(if you release it too late the opponent will be too far to combo). Now you can combo it into another djc magnet into aerial or you can just up-smash or turn-around down-smash to finish the combo.
I love how you always leave a juicy piece of tech at the end that is always hype!
I was looking for something new I could lab on a large variety of characters. Thanks Gimr!
THAT FINALE
Does this work on non aerials?
Most things in this game that you try and footstool will cause a phantom footstool (Like when you footstool a shield) air dodge landing lag is the only other thing I can think of
i love how you go super deep with every techs and stuff you find. love your vids
thank you!!
As a Puff main, I thank you for blessing me with the fact that footstool-rest on Inkling is a true combo
Really great editing. Love the attention to detail.
When you spend time in the lab and get ready to play some online battles
Back to the lag again oh no!
Man said "I know it was a long one" like that's a bad thing 😂
dont feel bad for long videos!! they are simply the best for us to learn and also for you to get that youtube algorithm!! good shit homie sadly i hate bowser jr but good find :^)
When your Bowser main homie want to be fancy instead of going for Up-B OOS 100% of the time, everytime.
Bowser finna be scary when doing that PFC
3:57 "Wait and react to see whether it hits" tbh I would've never done that if you hadn't reminded me
this proved to be veryyy useful for so many characters
This is brilliant. It's over now
You've done great work. Operation get out of pools will continue full steam ahead.
Finally I can actually land Bayo's Dair to kill at 80! Thanks a lot for this 🙌
Remember: aerial footstools can be teched.
It's a grounded footstool.
FellixNoAmatsu >:) That means... the meta’s gonna have some *fun*
Even Gimr said that you can sometimes get an aerial footstool, I just wanted to add why that would be bad for those who didn't know.
@@b4ttlemast0r most people don't tech footstools tbh
Thank you Gimr!!!
GIMR!!!! STOP HELPING ME GET STYLED ON!!! *GOSH!!*
Thanks for the advice with this! It was kinda hard to understand in the Falco video, so its neat to see how it actually works!
I never knew Matthew Santoro was so knowledgeable of smash tech
If I was in a tournament and a Pac-Man killed me with parry -> footstool -> hydrant -> key, I think I would put down the controller, walk out of the venue, and go home to rethink my life.
Parrying adds 3 Frames for Jump options, Adds 7 for standing grabs (I think) and 14 for ground options/Other grabs
in the video I show simon immediately jumping out of parry. Or are you talking about if someone gets parried?
*No Ike was harmed the making of this video*
I can't thank you enough. This is taking my game to the next level
dude this video is sick and now i finally know how to do the footstoll punish
I greatly appreciate providing so many examples with Sonic. Because he's so hated in the community, it's actually pretty hard to find Sonic guides and advanced tech etc besides spinshot.
Thanks for that Mega Man one that one was cool! That's my main!
Gonna have to try parry footstool c4 detonation. Not really optimal, might only work well on taller characters, but the swag. I’m not sure what the faf on detonate is but maybe there are follow ups at low percent
you're a legend, def trying this out with mewtwo and falco
a confirm into mewtwo's disable, exactly what i needed. rip foes on elite smash
Can Lucas or ness benefit from this? I'm thinking ness down air is perfect, but Lucas idk
I think Ness can easily combo this into PK Fire which could then lead into his normal grab combo or even fsmash at kill percent.
Footstool combing is really useful with Snake offstage. Just footstool to down air. It sends opponents in a really bad angle
Thanks GimR. Keep up the lab work for us.
Dude you're awesome, I love you, thank you for your service and dedication
Thank you :)
I just don't know how to practice this without someone else. And I'm mostly maining Bowser Jr. So id really like to get this down
Gimr pushing the meta by showing new tech to the community
If Mega Man’s opponent isn’t in up-tilt kill %, then you should go for PFC. however, even if z-dropped metal blade still doesn’t get them into kill percent since z-dropped Metal blade might only hit twice or so, you can do PFC, throw metal blade downward to get 4 hits or so, drift backwards, get 1 hit of b-air to get a drag down, and finally up tilt. It’ll probably kill midweights at 75-80% or so, which probably wouldn’t kill normally with z-drop up tilt.
Even the video is long I enjoy every second 😉👍 nice work Gimr
Thank you!
So, what you’re saying is... Terry has even MORE ways to set up his 0-to-death combo? Yay!
Notification squad!!! Love your tech vids, can't wait for the next one!
Nice tech, hope to see top players utilize this
This looks super good for Jr, and not too shabby for Dorf either, so im gonna have fun with this
Why'd you have to get my hopes up by wario being in the thumbnail...
sorry he just had a really funny footstool animation. He can do it into waft though
@@GimR oh hell yeah
Excuse me while I stop whatever I’m doing to watch this
Man I do appreciate this video can’t wait to see more dope man dope
I haven’t played Ultimate since school (seeing as I still don’t have a Switch) but I still watch these
@gimR's Lab you though we wouldn't notice the screen flip so you point to the right corner at 2:04
I did
When your practice partner mains Pacman and Bowser Jr
Joker main here. This can probably lead to some very interesting combos with his grappling hook.
How do you land fast after footstooling with Mewtwo?
Double jump first
I'm gonna make a IC's desync combo with this. Thank you for this information
Let us know when you figure that out!
Shit we are all dead
Can't you just do the infinite?
No, Don't
The infinite works but it's not as flashy as most thing you could do out of PF's
I kinda hate that the Smash Ult community is always saying "No this is too hard to learn" like honestly if the Melee community had the same mindset as the Smash Ult community the melee we know and love probably wouldnt even exist today, let alone be considered eSports worthy to this day still.
That's fine, this is probably too difficult for the casual audience. People watching these are probably a bit more serious and are willing to invest the time to learn these more advance tech
We E-sports now baby
That's not the community, that's just kids in the comment section
@@petercottantail7850 lol no it's been that way for almost two decades. helped/hurt by changes in accessibility with each entry. @FelixNoAmatsu, louder for the folks in the back, and every day, because yes, it's eSports now!! #Banned even though the game has 100+ diverse stages #NoSwearing.
Awesome video once again, you crazy
I've been waiting for you, and I mean who else but you, to take smash to the next level.
Thoughts on Kirbykid's series on smash tech and particularly parry option selects? Do you think the tech highlighted in the video series is still relevant though it was labbed in smash 4? And do you think the overall system changes such as buffering and input lag help or hurt the ability to pull them off.
I've had an idea for Parry option selects since I saw the parry mechanic in the trailer. Just haven't gotten around to it
@@GimR Literally giddy with anticipation. Sorry, that's the Street Fighter in me. Can't Wait.
Lucas already has great footstool combos, PFC could be really strong. You could probably Footstool + psi magnet into tech situations/kill or other crazy things
Finally someone is actually using footstools again o3o people think it's useless because it's techable when used in the air, even though people don't always land their techs =b and if course that isn't an issue for grounded footstools
What about Greninja? Maybe something with dair to footstool/dragdown?
definitely, just forgot about him
It’s difficult to do this with Greninja because his initial short jump is just so dang high. If the character is short like fox or Kirby, it feels like I only get it 50% of the time and I think it depends on spacing completely. The bigger the character, the easier it gets.
Heck yes dude I loved this video man
The way you lined up with the hole in your chair at the beginning I thought you went and got some mad guages for a second
Yeah I need to get a new chair lol
Was this all of the follow ups you found? If not, I think a follow up video for every character would be appreciated, when you get time of course.
Who I'm most interest in though is Ken; he's my main, and with how fast his moves come out I think this can be straight up busted on him.
Let's gooo Larry
how do you set up a train thing for this
Going to see what I can do with my characters
i swear people better use this, the tech chase trapping tech is metachanging and still hardly anyone uses it. this has potential to go even further
ive tried and istant reverse z drop to footstool instand rar but didnt work because my bair is frame -100 but i can autocancel into freeze frame 1 punish
Yea but have you thought of get up attack out of shield?
Omg Gimr you just turned the whole game into a thing. Now crazy stuff will happen often