What made Magic and Bird such good players is their team play. They were more concerned about winning than scoring. Jordan was the most physically gifted player in his time yet both times he met Bird in the playoffs the Bulls got swept despite Jordan outscoring Bird. Bird didn't need to score to affect the game, he was a better team player. Players that defended against Bird said he was dangerous even when he didn't have the ball. I hated Larry Bird when he played because you knew when it was 4th qtr with under 2 minutes to play and the game was close, Larry was the guy that could put the dagger in your heart. Phil
Larry wasn't slow. He was as quick as he needed to be. He dominated. He had quick hands, a quick first step, and he was fast before he hurt his back. He could still do what he needed to do with more swag than his opponents after he hurt his back. Nobody hustled harder. He had a third gear when he needed to have it. He just played smarter. He could dunk. And he could do everything else that needed done.
Everybody talks about luka or jokic when talking about bird and comparing style of play to out of the guys today but pre back injury bird game was actually more like KD's
He was slow, but he was agile. In B-ball it's not how fast you can go generally but how fast you can stop and change direction with precision. He had all that in spades.
Right?! Wasn't cleared to return but snuck back on the court. I believe that's why he ran out and crouched Infront of the bench. To hide from the trainer and staff.
@@realhurrikaneisaac It’s true ! There’s not a player you can name that’s better than Bird in 2 out of 3 categories , shooting , passing and rebounding ! Bird is better than James in all 3 categories ! Add free throws and three pointers , Bird is better in all 5 !
I grew up watching those two they had mutual respect. They got close over a converse commercial. Learned they grew up much the same way ! I would have loved Magic and Bird on the same team. Bird would have gone out of his way to make an extra pass to Magic.
This is my first time here so I don't know if you've already watched the vid. "Making the Case" for Bird, but if not, I think you'd enjoy reacting to it. He talks about this very topic-- who had more help, Magic or Bird. He also offers some stats and footage you may not have seen yet. Also-- several of the points you made about the difference between play back then and now, while true, overlook the fact that Bird was doing things back then to a degree others weren't, even in a time when it was part of the game-- e.g., lots of trash talkers, but nobody was telling opponents exactly what the play was going to be, and laying out what they would do in response to each of the opponent's defensive moved, and then going ahead and doing it successfully despite having given it all away in advance. Similarly, while the game was absolutely exponentially more physical and with more players playing hurt, nobody came close to Bird, so far as I know, in playing hurt and even, in the case of his pre-NBA finger injury, even deformed, throughout their careers. Another vid. you should check out: 5 times Larry Bird Played Hurt. Great reaction...can't wait to watch some more after this one. Thanks for paying such close attention and sharing the things you notice, which not all reactors catch!
p.s. You might want to keep an open mind about Magic being a better passer than Bird. Others will probably point out the case to be made for Bird, but one quote I've heard attributed to Pat Riley (don't know if he was actually the first to say it, or if these were his exact words) was that Magic made easy passes look spectacular, and Bird made spectacular passes look easy." This totally fits with their personalities, too, with Magic being Hollywood/Showtime, playing with such in-your-face flair, joy and exuberance, while Larry, when not trash talking, was more of an understated, minimal, get-the-job-done-as-efficiently-as-possible type, for the most part.
Was born in the 1960's and my Teens were through 1979 to 85+ and i was privaliged to be watching the Larry Bird years, he was so good (him and Johnson lit up Basketball). Personally i don't think there will ever be a decade and a half like it again.
He ran slow but his first step and hand speed was insane. He also dominated because his IQ WAS off the charts. He saw things far ahead of everyone else. He also used to play street ball with the brothers before the NBA and hates when white guys gard him claiming its disrespectful. He averaged 50/40/90 4 years straight almost 5. His passing is almost on parr with Magic .he ca throw every kind of pass there is. He has a passing highlight video. Larry Bird greatest passer of all time video re-edit. Also numerous trash talking videos. Thanks for the reaction.
Thx for the video. ☘️ Larry Legend The man won 3 consecutive MVPs after placing 2nd for three consecutive years. He followed up his 3 consecutive wins with a 3rd and another 2nd. He received 67 % of all votes from 1980-1988. Slow??? I didn’t see Bird being "slow" nor "unable to jump" compared to the majority on the court. Bird was mostly everywhere on the court doing every sort of thing at all times when he played. Bird is the most complete all-around basketball player. Period. Did his double Achilles injuries and surgery make a difference in his bounce and speed? Yup, some. Did the ever worsening back issues affect his speed? Yup. But that wasn't for the majority of his career. And Bird could take control a game, even then.
Nice reaction. React to some more Bird vids. Theres a reason they call him Larry Legend. In his trash talk video, its like you said, the stories seem unbelievable but they happened, and on the regular.
There's a few things about Larry that nobody really talks about ... 1. Larry broke the first finger on his right hand in the summer right after he got drafted. It was some kind of weird softball injury. Since we Hoosiers aren't really known for being too bright, Larry never really did anything about it, and it healed all funny. According to Larry, his ballhandling was crap after that. 😳 2. In that game against the Pacers, Bird had a broken cheek and a concussion. He said he was seeing double for the rest of the game after he came back, and he was shooting in between them. Larry is a really special guy, but he'd be the first to tell you that a lot of his clutch wins came from endless practice hours and hating to lose even more than he liked to win. Great reaction!
Larry was the only significant addition to the Celtics roster in his rookie year and they won 32 more games that year than the year before. He made everybody around him better. As far as his speed, he didn't have to be that fast. He was a step and a half into the next play before anybody else got started because he studied the game much more than others. He was playing chess while everybody else was playing checkers. Watch the play where got his own rebound and put it back up. He knew where that ball was going as soon as he shot it and he was there waiting for it.
I never really understood why people say he's slow or can't jump. At the 2:31 mark, look at his feet are and where his head is. I think he looked slow but was deceptively fast and could jump higher than people give him credit. Another thing I noticed watching this is that he has a nearly 3 dimensional view of the court. He knows where everyone is and where they will be before they get there.
Bird was always the most dominant player on the floor for his entire career day 1 until he retired. It didn't matter if Magic, Kareem, Dr. J, Isiah, Hakeem, Worthy, McHale, Walton, Ewing, Malone were on the floor. Bird was the best player and the primary focus of the game. People say he couldn't play today but think about who guarded him. Rodman, Worthy, Cooper, Dr. J, Barkley, McDaniel, Kemp, Wilkins were all super athletic even applying today's standards. He shredded every one of them. Look at Luka. Bird was bigger and better than Luka so there's no question he could play today. Likely he would play the four in today's game, but he ran the floor with Worthy. Worthy was just as fast in transition as LeBron. Worthy had great foot speed. No question Bird at the four today would have no problem with the speed of the game. He also had great leadership skills. He drove his teammates but they loved him. Look at how they talk about him today. Not all great players could say that.
He wasn’t slow, it called skill. They said he was 6’9, same height as Magic, but when there you see them together, Larry looked tall. Larry was more like 6’10.
To make the kind of passes Bird was making took not only big basketball IQ, but also the absolute knowledge that they would be where they were supposed to be. And given everything, they were.
Magic & Larry, resurrected the game of basketball...My dad loved basketball, but stopped watching, until the competition between Johnson & Bird was highlighted...What my Dad used to say, about Larry's game, is that it reminded him of someone, who wasn't only playing basketball, but also, volleyball, dodgeball, football, soccer, & strategic chess, all at the same time, & what made him so great 😊He certainly was one of the most unique & gifted players, I ever watched!
Larry was and is widely considered to be the best passer in the NBA. Larry was faster and way more athletic than most people will ever admit. I think that he went slower than he could run most times and that that is like him waiting until people (opposing players) were one step away to shoot. I think those things were about throwing the other teams off of their games. Like his trash talk was about getting in their heads. Everything he did at times was about messing with their minds.
Great reaction. Thanks! At 6 ft 9 in, Bird was the best small forward ever. I watched him from the beginning all the way until his bad back made him retire. The night before a big game Bird could be found at a local bar drinking everyone under the table and getting into fist fights. Only 3 players in NBA history ever won 3 MVP's in a row - Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell and Larry Bird. Two Pat Riley quotes about Bird: 1) "If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save a game I'd choose Michael Jordan; If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save my life...I'd take Larry Bird." 2) "He's the greatest clutch player I've ever seen. The hell with Jerry West!"
Love your reaction and Magic had more flare with passing but Larry was right there as a passer with the accuracy. Here is a video you might enjoy “Larry Bird Greatest Passer of All Time (Re-edit w/ New Footage)” th-cam.com/video/wwo4vtaZmsY/w-d-xo.html
Larry was probably the quickest player to play the game. His slight of hand, and hand eye coordination is what matters. You can't embarrass the greatest defenders in the NBA and be slow. He and magic had similar verticals but I've never heard anyone say Magic can't jump.
He made them play his game. I didn't know until I watched a video yesterday with his high school coach saying the first game of his sophomore year he tore all the ligaments in his ankle and broke it in two places. Still never missed showing up for practice. Learned to use his other foot and left hand.
There's a difference between fast and quick. Larry wasn't particularly fast but he was unbelievably quick. He was faster before he injured his back too. He was also an intense student of the game and knew where everybody on the floor was every second of the game. One of the stories about him that escapes out people came not from another player or coach but from a maintenance man working at Boston Gardens one day in the upper level. He noticed Bird down on the floor by himself just dribbling in an almost gridline pattern. The maintenance man worked his way down to the floor level wanting to see what it was that Bird was doing. Arriving on the floor, he approached Bird and asked what he was doing. Bird's answer was that he was listening and looking for softer and harder spots in the floor so he would know where to steer his opponents during a game because the rebound of the ball off the floor would change. He also spent an hour or so after every practice by himself just working on his shooting. My favorite quote about Bird was from James Worthy, a Lakers teammate of Magic. When asked if he would rather guard Jordan or Bird, he said he would much rather guard Jordan because he just made you look slow but Bird made you look stupid. You need to watch this video all the way to the end. You missed one of the best parts of it.
Magic had better team mates but Larry was a better passer and all around player. You should watch Larry’s best 50 passes and making the case Larry Bird.
@@jimmyboy131 nothing at all against Magic and I’m probably bias as well, Magic is top 5 all time in my opinion but I have Bird ahead of him. Just checkout those 2 videos and you’ll see why my opinion is what it is though.
The Lakers had a killer team I was so glad to watch all through the 80's it was fantastic! I was a Lakers fan but older I realize how good Bird was all around it's crazy!
Hey great reaction ! I’m 62 and I was a huge Lakers fan ! Loved Magic but magic had a much better team around him ! Bird was ridiculous ! He could play right now 23-24 season average 30 points a game 10+ rebounds a game and 7 or 8 assists a game ! Right now !!!
Basketball wasn’t even talked about that much before Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. Those battles. The viewership went up tremendously. I know that’s what I start paying attention.
For as long as Lebron's been playing. Why doesn't he have more rings or MVPs? Even Jordan has more in less games. Can't use "Lebron had no help" excuse. Larry turned the Celtics around his rookie year. From a 29 - 53 season to 61 - 21 season. Before Parrish, McHale, Ainge, DJ & Walton were on the team. In 897 games. Larry was the first & founding member of the 50/40/90 club, 3 CONSECUTIVE MVP's, 1st 3pt contest winner for 3 yrs, 3 rings 2 Finals MVPs, 12 All star, 10 all NBA Teams, 3x All Defense selection. All in 13 years. It took Bird just two seasons to get his first ring. Starting in his rookie season, Bird put together 9 straight seasons of 10.5 win shares or more. He led the league in win shares in back-to-back seasons in 1985 and 1986, 2 of his 3 consecutive MVP seasons. He led the league in Defensive Win Shares 4 times and on offense 1 time. Larry's one of 8 hall of famers to win rookie of the year & be named to the all NBA first team. The only one so far to have those honors after Larry is Tim Duncan. Larry Bird is the only player to win Rookie of the Year, League MVP, Finals MVP, All-Star MVP, coach of the year & executive of the year. He did all that playing with a broken back the last 7 years of his career. #birdgang 🍀🐐💚
@KenD67 I grew up in Dallas, but we got hockey in like ‘94 so I caught the end of his career live and then subsequently watched all of his highlights I could find.
Bird IS the Baddest Man to ever step onto the Court! Isaac, Dig into His history, as it goes way deeper than just this video, and You`ll see what I mean...
9:54 When Larry came back out after slamming his face onto the boards, he actually fractured his right cheek but came back anyway. You were commenting and might have missed that but. Not complaining about the commenting. It’s a reaction video, you’re supposed to, so 👍🏼. Thanks for what you do. May your views and likes always be equal.
I'll die a Celtics fan. I grew up watching Larry Bird and he's THE best basketball player of all time. I dont care who disagrees. Recently I wanted to purchase a Bird jersey. Yeah....they're anywhere between $300 and $500 dollars. That's insane LOL He'll always be the best!
first off, saying hes the best WHITE player is purely racist and demeans his greatness. that aside, as someone who has watched the game since the late 70s, i can honestly say LARRY BIRD IS THE BEST SMALL FORWARD TO EVER PLAY THE GAME....PERIOD. and is definetly top 5 all time. i have him at 3
Before you compare Bird to anybody, check out the video of 5 Times Bird Was Injured But Didn't Quit... something like that. THEN compare him to ANYBODY and you'll see he's the GOAT
He grew up playing with brothers, the porters and dishwashers from the hotels. So that's a major reason why he got so good to begin with. Andalso why he didn't see color, it was could you play ball or not.
you gotta check out 5 times larry bird was injured but refused to quit. also the 4 crazy stories to prove larry bird was toughest in the nba. both of them makes the legend of larry bird even more insane..
Unless you watched this again, I believe you missed a few points while you were talking. First...In the game where the guys were falling off of the bench because of Larry's "rainbow" shot, they said that he had SIXTY points after that shot. Second...When he played that game left handed, they said he had 27 points...after three quarters...He actually finished the game with 47 points...Third...when he went down with the injury and went off the court for treatment, only to return later, the announcer said that he was returning "despite a FRACTURE of the right cheek." Efforts like those really brought a lot of people to become fans of Larry Byrd.
No Labron is Not infront of Bird , its taken Labron almost 2x as many years as Bird played in total to have similar accolades as Bird , take Labrons best 4 year stretch and compare it to Birds , you can take Birds best 4 years and average the total over those 4 years and its a 50/40/90 average (BTW the first and second player to ever average a 50/40/90 season was Bird) his two seasons in that stretch that are not 50/40/90 seasons are so close his overage on the ones that are bring the average up to measure. Labron only has Longevity over Bird witch will allow him to accumilate more accolades but does not mean hes the better player. the magic argument is the same magic has more rings hes also more flashy so has the eye test but he also had Kreem on his team witch has a solid goat claim in his own right , Magic had the better team backing him but that does not mean Magic was a better player than Bird. you can carry this argument over to MJ as well but it go's in the Opposit direction this time MJ played Bird in the playoffs in back to back season's MJ got swept in back to back season's by bird 0-3 and 0-3 Birds team was better than MJ's but just watch those games its clear even thou MJ lost he was the better player
He was quick as a cat and jumped well. He ran away from, around,through and over every player that ever stood in front of him. That is an athlete. He also played the actual game as well as anyone who ever took a shot. He wouldn't have made any Olympic Track and Field teams, but there are no Track And Field Olympians in the HoF, either.
Couldn’t like or subscribe, my man. You talked over too much and cut off the video before it showed Magic, at Bird’s retirement ceremony, give him a jersey that said “to the greatest basketball player ever, but more important, a friend forever.” One of the thing you talked over was when he came back I to the Indiana game, the Announcer said “Larry Bird, making his return from an apparent fracture of the right cheek .” We want to hear what you have to say, so do us a favor and stop the video, say what you got, then take it back 10 seconds so you don’t miss important things like Bird leading his team to victory in the final game of a playoff series with a broken cheek, a concussion, and double vision. I reconsidered and liked and subscribed
Your quote about Bird and Magic "They're both ill AF" is SPOT ON. Both Bird and Magic were basketball gods. Cut from the same cloth at the same time. They just happened to be different colors and personalities. But their love of the game and dedication to it was EXACTLY the same. They're in my top 3 picks of all time right behind Jordan.
Larry Bird is the first player to accomplish the 50-40-90 club, the only person in NBA history to be named Rookie of the Year, 3 point Champion three straight years, MVP three times straight (When competing against Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Dr. J, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, James Worthy and many more), Finals MVP, All-Star MVP, Coach of the Year, and Executive of the Year.
Great Reaction. You Missed The Part After Larry Came Back Into The Game; Where The Announcer Said, Larry Had Fractured Cheek. So Do You Really Think LeFlop Would Have Came Back Into The Game After Fracturing A Face Bone.?. NOPE! Yes Larry was Slow BUT Really Not; Because He Was Always There At Either End Of The Court & Doing Something To Help. To Me Larry Had Back Then & Still To This Day The Best Basketball IQ & Skills. Barkley Once Said; Larry Not Having Athletic Skills Was Gods Way Of Making It Fair To the Rest Of Us. ha ha ha ... Anyway Enjoyed Your Look At This.
There are some great videos about Larry playing hurt. Another thing you should check out some of his trash talking stories. Then there is a great documentary about Magic and Bird - A Courtship of Rivals that you should check out. Thanks for the great reaction ❤
To be fair to LeBron, he could not have come back into that game, because Bird had a concussion. It might be that LeBron wouldn't have wanted to keep playing anyway, but regardless he would have been stopped by the league's doctors. They don't let people come back into games in the 21st century after they hit their head that hard.
@@SteveGellerMusic Well I Have "Heard" It Said; That The Doctor Did Tell Bird He Was Done. And Bird Waited Until The Doctor Stepped Away & Then Bird Snuck Out. Have You Seen The Acting/Flopping Job That LeBron & Others Will Do.?. This Whole League Is Made Up Of SOFT Men, From The Owners Down To The Players. For The Kind Of Money That Everyone Makes Now Days, They Should Have To Play With A Broken Arm/Leg,,,ha ha ha. I Really Don't Understand How People/Fans Can Stand To Watch Now Days, It's Down Right Boring.
The whole Slow talk is incorrect and misleading. He was obviously super quick for short distances and with amazing reflexes. But fast? Like running a 100 meter race? Probably not, but he didn’t need that.
There was a funny comment an old player said about Bird - he said, you gotta be careful with Larry, he’s the type of guy that’ll slow right past you. I know guys all get compared to players recently, and guys compare Cade Cunningham to Luka, but I think he’s more of a Bird. Just that slow methodical dude that takes his time and picks his spots, and just carves up defenses. I’ll take basketball IQ over athleticism any day, because that athleticism won’t last, but the basketball IQ just keeps getting better. There’s more than one way to skin a cat.
I was very fortunate to witness the end of that Era. The one thing I've noticed is people still say the same things about Larry as they did back then. He's slow etc.. You have to understand his mentality. He wanted everyone to think he was slow. He wanted everyone to think he couldn't jump. Because the moment they did, they got embarrassed in front of their whole city. That's what made him more dangerous than anyone else. His mindset. Magic had really amazing style and skills. But Larry was a head hunter
Larry broke his finger, after he was drafted and before he signed his contract. He hurt his back, putting in a driveway for his mom in 85. He had double achilleas surgery. He played twice with double vision and fractures to his face. He played, after having a dr cut 2 inches in between his toes, to drain an infection. Not only was he a great player, he was a team player.
Thats why we love your mom here in Boston!! I'll always pick bird as the best all-around player ever to play the game. It's great to be a NE fan as we've had many great years of success in every sport!! Glad I always stuck with my home teams!
Only people who weren't alive to watch NBA basketball in the 80s say that today's game is faster. It's not true. I've been watching since the 60s, and it's just not true. Doncich couldn't carry Bird's jock strap. Larry played with a fractured cheek and eye socket, today's players sit out 3 games with a hang nail.
Yo and he had a 50,40,90 for literally four seasons in a row. 50% from the field, 40% from 3 (3 point was introduced while he was in the league), and 90% from the free throw line.
LeBron is behind Jordan and Bird. Jordan is the Greatest Player of All Time while Bird is the Greatest All-Around Player of All Time. There is no way Lebron is ahead of Bird when Lebron doesn't always play defense, can't shoot free throws and had to learn to shoot after entering the league.. Bird didn't have to improve in any area (shooting, passing, rebounding, free throws, defense, etc.) but did so because of his love for the game.
LeBron always plays defense, still at 39 years of age he's one of the best defenders in the league. I agree with you that Bird was a great player, but defensively, there is no way he is better than LeBron, stop!!!!
Play the whole video, the end had magic with an autographed Laker jersey saying "to the greatest basketball player of all time, but more important a friend"
Larry Bird was listed as 6' 9 but most players say he's a 6' 10 at least. Remember when he was jawing with Kareem and was standing face to face and he wasn't that much smaller than Kareem who is 7' 2. And how long did it take for your Mom to convince you to check out some of Larry Bird stories and videos. I never knew that Larry was saying anything on the court it wasn't visible and you couldn't hear. Thank God for your Mom being a Long Time Celtics fan. I'm from Dayton Ohio and I've always liked Larry Bird and his style of Play
Saw Bird in person play for ISU in feb 78, and am old enough to have watched 79’ bird/magic title game. John Salley played against both, and I agree when he said both are incomparable. People don’t often talk about how similar they were. I finally gave up picking one or the other. Even the echoes of their college rivalry transferred to nba with Magic’s team having more depth. Laker organization was more inventive getting Worthy, Green, Cooper, Rambis, Scott. Celtics super 6th,Walton, got hurt after one year. People forget Bird lost a year because he was working on a trash truck. People also forget Magic scored over 40 as a rookie to win title because Kareem was hurt. I’ve never anything like either of them before or since . They’re both Savants at everything. I remember 79’ title game where Magic recognized that Donnelly was hot and fed him the ball.
Just so you know...he shot over the backboard, but it didnt count. The commentator laughed about it saying "cant believe he shot over the backboard...it didnt count but he made the shot" all while laughing LOL
Everyone always yells about, they aren't playing defense! The thing they don't realize is that if you shut down Larry's shooting, he starts passing! Everyone was scared of Larry's fakes, because you never knew if they were fakes! Every move he made you had to take serious! If you didn't you looked stupid! Small Forward 2-3, GOAT 4-5!
I love your mom😊! Go Celtics!
What made Magic and Bird such good players is their team play. They were more concerned about winning than scoring. Jordan was the most physically gifted player in his time yet both times he met Bird in the playoffs the Bulls got swept despite Jordan outscoring Bird. Bird didn't need to score to affect the game, he was a better team player. Players that defended against Bird said he was dangerous even when he didn't have the ball. I hated Larry Bird when he played because you knew when it was 4th qtr with under 2 minutes to play and the game was close, Larry was the guy that could put the dagger in your heart. Phil
Larry wasn't slow. He was as quick as he needed to be. He dominated. He had quick hands, a quick first step, and he was fast before he hurt his back. He could still do what he needed to do with more swag than his opponents after he hurt his back. Nobody hustled harder. He had a third gear when he needed to have it. He just played smarter. He could dunk. And he could do everything else that needed done.
Exactly ☘️ Larry Legend for all the reasons
He had quick hands and a quick first step
Everybody talks about luka or jokic when talking about bird and comparing style of play to out of the guys today but pre back injury bird game was actually more like KD's
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He was slow, but he was agile. In B-ball it's not how fast you can go generally but how fast you can stop and change direction with precision. He had all that in spades.
Fractured cheek, concussion and double vision, still couldn’t stop him, never pain meds
Right?! Wasn't cleared to return but snuck back on the court. I believe that's why he ran out and crouched Infront of the bench. To hide from the trainer and staff.
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the greatest all around
player in NBA history ,
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It’s true ! There’s not
a player you can name
that’s better than Bird
in 2 out of 3 categories ,
shooting , passing and
rebounding ! Bird is
better than James in
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pointers , Bird is better
in all 5 !
I'd agree
Bird over Magic and I was a laker fan back then. Magic’s big three were better for sure. No disrespect to McHale or Parish.
I grew up watching those two they had mutual respect. They got close over a converse commercial. Learned they grew up much the same way ! I would have loved Magic and Bird on the same team. Bird would have gone out of his way to make an extra pass to Magic.
I have him at 3. LeBron according to MJ said Bird in the same era would make Le Bron look stupid
This is my first time here so I don't know if you've already watched the vid. "Making the Case" for Bird, but if not, I think you'd enjoy reacting to it. He talks about this very topic-- who had more help, Magic or Bird. He also offers some stats and footage you may not have seen yet.
Also-- several of the points you made about the difference between play back then and now, while true, overlook the fact that Bird was doing things back then to a degree others weren't, even in a time when it was part of the game-- e.g., lots of trash talkers, but nobody was telling opponents exactly what the play was going to be, and laying out what they would do in response to each of the opponent's defensive moved, and then going ahead and doing it successfully despite having given it all away in advance.
Similarly, while the game was absolutely exponentially more physical and with more players playing hurt, nobody came close to Bird, so far as I know, in playing hurt and even, in the case of his pre-NBA finger injury, even deformed, throughout their careers. Another vid. you should check out: 5 times Larry Bird Played Hurt.
Great reaction...can't wait to watch some more after this one. Thanks for paying such close attention and sharing the things you notice, which not all reactors catch!
p.s. You might want to keep an open mind about Magic being a better passer than Bird. Others will probably point out the case to be made for Bird, but one quote I've heard attributed to Pat Riley (don't know if he was actually the first to say it, or if these were his exact words) was that Magic made easy passes look spectacular, and Bird made spectacular passes look easy." This totally fits with their personalities, too, with Magic being Hollywood/Showtime, playing with such in-your-face flair, joy and exuberance, while Larry, when not trash talking, was more of an understated, minimal, get-the-job-done-as-efficiently-as-possible type, for the most part.
Mike,Larry & Magic are the best I’ve ever seen
Was born in the 1960's and my Teens were through 1979 to 85+ and i was privaliged to be watching the Larry Bird years, he was so good (him and Johnson lit up Basketball).
Personally i don't think there will ever be a decade and a half like it again.
He ran slow but his first step and hand speed was insane. He also dominated because his IQ WAS off the charts. He saw things far ahead of everyone else. He also used to play street ball with the brothers before the NBA and hates when white guys gard him claiming its disrespectful. He averaged 50/40/90 4 years straight almost 5. His passing is almost on parr with Magic .he ca throw every kind of pass there is. He has a passing highlight video. Larry Bird greatest passer of all time video re-edit. Also numerous trash talking videos. Thanks for the reaction.
To answer your question about Bird's teammates, I highly recommend the video "Making the Case: 1986 Celtics."
Thx for the video. ☘️ Larry Legend
The man won 3 consecutive MVPs after placing 2nd for three consecutive years. He followed up his 3 consecutive wins with a 3rd and another 2nd.
He received 67 % of all votes from 1980-1988.
Slow??? I didn’t see Bird being "slow" nor "unable to jump" compared to the majority on the court. Bird was mostly everywhere on the court doing every sort of thing at all times when he played.
Bird is the most complete all-around basketball player. Period.
Did his double Achilles injuries and surgery make a difference in his bounce and speed? Yup, some. Did the ever worsening back issues affect his speed? Yup.
But that wasn't for the majority of his career. And Bird could take control a game, even then.
Nice reaction. React to some more Bird vids. Theres a reason they call him Larry Legend. In his trash talk video, its like you said, the stories seem unbelievable but they happened, and on the regular.
There's a few things about Larry that nobody really talks about ...
1. Larry broke the first finger on his right hand in the summer right after he got drafted. It was some kind of weird softball injury. Since we Hoosiers aren't really known for being too bright, Larry never really did anything about it, and it healed all funny. According to Larry, his ballhandling was crap after that. 😳
2. In that game against the Pacers, Bird had a broken cheek and a concussion. He said he was seeing double for the rest of the game after he came back, and he was shooting in between them.
Larry is a really special guy, but he'd be the first to tell you that a lot of his clutch wins came from endless practice hours and hating to lose even more than he liked to win.
Great reaction!
he did go to the doctor for the shattered Knuckle, but was told it was shattered and they could not do anything to fix it
LARRY LEGEND IS A UNICORN AND THE TRUE GOAT!!! 🐐 ☘️
YOU WERE TALKING THROUGH THE PART WHEN HE CAME BACK OUT!!! HE HAD A BROKEN CHEEK & SLIGHT CONCUSSION!!! BUT STILL CAME OUT, TO HELP HIS TEAM!!!
Larry was the only significant addition to the Celtics roster in his rookie year and they won 32 more games that year than the year before. He made everybody around him better. As far as his speed, he didn't have to be that fast. He was a step and a half into the next play before anybody else got started because he studied the game much more than others. He was playing chess while everybody else was playing checkers. Watch the play where got his own rebound and put it back up. He knew where that ball was going as soon as he shot it and he was there waiting for it.
I never really understood why people say he's slow or can't jump. At the 2:31 mark, look at his feet are and where his head is. I think he looked slow but was deceptively fast and could jump higher than people give him credit. Another thing I noticed watching this is that he has a nearly 3 dimensional view of the court. He knows where everyone is and where they will be before they get there.
Labron couldn't carry Bird'd jock strap.
100% agree!
I agree
Bird was always the most dominant player on the floor for his entire career day 1 until he retired. It didn't matter if Magic, Kareem, Dr. J, Isiah, Hakeem, Worthy, McHale, Walton, Ewing, Malone were on the floor. Bird was the best player and the primary focus of the game. People say he couldn't play today but think about who guarded him. Rodman, Worthy, Cooper, Dr. J, Barkley, McDaniel, Kemp, Wilkins were all super athletic even applying today's standards. He shredded every one of them. Look at Luka. Bird was bigger and better than Luka so there's no question he could play today. Likely he would play the four in today's game, but he ran the floor with Worthy. Worthy was just as fast in transition as LeBron. Worthy had great foot speed. No question Bird at the four today would have no problem with the speed of the game. He also had great leadership skills. He drove his teammates but they loved him. Look at how they talk about him today. Not all great players could say that.
He wasn’t slow, it called skill. They said he was 6’9, same height as Magic, but when there you see them together, Larry looked tall. Larry was more like 6’10.
To make the kind of passes Bird was making took not only big basketball IQ, but also the absolute knowledge that they would be where they were supposed to be. And given everything, they were.
Magic & Larry, resurrected the game of basketball...My dad loved basketball, but stopped watching, until the competition between Johnson & Bird was highlighted...What my Dad used to say, about Larry's game, is that it reminded him of someone, who wasn't only playing basketball, but also, volleyball, dodgeball, football, soccer, & strategic chess, all at the same time, & what made him so great 😊He certainly was one of the most unique & gifted players, I ever watched!
Larry was and is widely considered to be the best passer in the NBA. Larry was faster and way more athletic than most people will ever admit. I think that he went slower than he could run most times and that that is like him waiting until people (opposing players) were one step away to shoot. I think those things were about throwing the other teams off of their games. Like his trash talk was about getting in their heads. Everything he did at times was about messing with their minds.
Great reaction. Thanks! At 6 ft 9 in, Bird was the best small forward ever. I watched him from the beginning all the way until his bad back made him retire. The night before a big game Bird could be found at a local bar drinking everyone under the table and getting into fist fights. Only 3 players in NBA history ever won 3 MVP's in a row - Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell and Larry Bird.
Two Pat Riley quotes about Bird:
1) "If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save a game I'd choose Michael Jordan; If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save my life...I'd take Larry Bird."
2) "He's the greatest clutch player I've ever seen. The hell with Jerry West!"
You gotta watch Larry's best passer of all time re-edit video. Absolutely bonkers what that dude did in assists alone.
Why why WHYYYYYYY did you not watch the end of the video????🤨
Love your reaction and Magic had more flare with passing but Larry was right there as a passer with the accuracy. Here is a video you might enjoy “Larry Bird Greatest Passer of All Time (Re-edit w/ New Footage)”
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Larry was probably the quickest player to play the game. His slight of hand, and hand eye coordination is what matters. You can't embarrass the greatest defenders in the NBA and be slow. He and magic had similar verticals but I've never heard anyone say Magic can't jump.
His basketball IQ was off the charts !! He was special !
GOAT"S GOAT
He made them play his game. I didn't know until I watched a video yesterday with his high school coach saying the first game of his sophomore year he tore all the ligaments in his ankle and broke it in two places. Still never missed showing up for practice. Learned to use his other foot and left hand.
Larry wasn't slow, man. Larry was EXACTLY as fast as he needed to be, always. No wasted energy.
You guys just don't quit!
There's a difference between fast and quick. Larry wasn't particularly fast but he was unbelievably quick. He was faster before he injured his back too. He was also an intense student of the game and knew where everybody on the floor was every second of the game. One of the stories about him that escapes out people came not from another player or coach but from a maintenance man working at Boston Gardens one day in the upper level. He noticed Bird down on the floor by himself just dribbling in an almost gridline pattern. The maintenance man worked his way down to the floor level wanting to see what it was that Bird was doing. Arriving on the floor, he approached Bird and asked what he was doing. Bird's answer was that he was listening and looking for softer and harder spots in the floor so he would know where to steer his opponents during a game because the rebound of the ball off the floor would change. He also spent an hour or so after every practice by himself just working on his shooting.
My favorite quote about Bird was from James Worthy, a Lakers teammate of Magic. When asked if he would rather guard Jordan or Bird, he said he would much rather guard Jordan because he just made you look slow but Bird made you look stupid. You need to watch this video all the way to the end. You missed one of the best parts of it.
Magic had better team mates but Larry was a better passer and all around player. You should watch Larry’s best 50 passes and making the case Larry Bird.
I still have Magic as the best and greatest all around passer ever, but if you want to say Bird is RIGHT THERE with him, I will agree.
@@jimmyboy131 nothing at all against Magic and I’m probably bias as well, Magic is top 5 all time in my opinion but I have Bird ahead of him. Just checkout those 2 videos and you’ll see why my opinion is what it is though.
He came in the game against the pacers with a fractured right cheek bone
Larry was a legit 6'10". He and Magic were both listed at 6'9" and Larry was always taller standing side by side.
When his face hit the floor it fractured his right cheek and he had a concussion.
The Lakers had a killer team I was so glad to watch all through the 80's it was fantastic! I was a Lakers fan but older I realize how good Bird was all around it's crazy!
Hey great reaction ! I’m 62 and I was a huge Lakers fan ! Loved Magic but magic had a much better team around him ! Bird was ridiculous ! He could play right now 23-24 season average 30 points a game 10+ rebounds a game and 7 or 8 assists a game ! Right now !!!
Basketball wasn’t even talked about that much before Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. Those battles. The viewership went up tremendously. I know that’s what I start paying attention.
For as long as Lebron's been playing. Why doesn't he have more rings or MVPs? Even Jordan has more in less games. Can't use "Lebron had no help" excuse. Larry turned the Celtics around his rookie year. From a 29 - 53 season to 61 - 21 season. Before Parrish, McHale, Ainge, DJ & Walton were on the team. In 897 games. Larry was the first & founding member of the 50/40/90 club, 3 CONSECUTIVE MVP's, 1st 3pt contest winner for 3 yrs, 3 rings 2 Finals MVPs, 12 All star, 10 all NBA Teams, 3x All Defense selection. All in 13 years. It took Bird just two seasons to get his first ring. Starting in his rookie season, Bird put together 9 straight seasons of 10.5 win shares or more. He led the league in win shares in back-to-back seasons in 1985 and 1986, 2 of his 3 consecutive MVP seasons. He led the league in Defensive Win Shares 4 times and on offense 1 time. Larry's one of 8 hall of famers to win rookie of the year & be named to the all NBA first team. The only one so far to have those honors after Larry is Tim Duncan. Larry Bird is the only player to win Rookie of the Year, League MVP, Finals MVP, All-Star MVP, coach of the year & executive of the year. He did all that playing with a broken back the last 7 years of his career.
#birdgang 🍀🐐💚
And he only actually played for 12 years, and was out that one year with double Achille's surgery.
@@jimmyboy131 10:00 then coming back to win the game. After getting a concussion & breaking his face.
Preach it!
@KenD67 I would add Wayne Gretzky for mine. He’s been retired for about 23 years and still holds 60 records in the NHL. He was a joy to watch
@KenD67 I grew up in Dallas, but we got hockey in like ‘94 so I caught the end of his career live and then subsequently watched all of his highlights I could find.
lebron not even in birds league.
Bird IS the Baddest Man to ever step onto the Court! Isaac, Dig into His history, as it goes way deeper than just this video, and You`ll see what I mean...
9:54 When Larry came back out after slamming his face onto the boards, he actually fractured his right cheek but came back anyway. You were commenting and might have missed that but. Not complaining about the commenting. It’s a reaction video, you’re supposed to, so 👍🏼. Thanks for what you do. May your views and likes always be equal.
Thanks my baby Isaac ❤ and I think Larry Bird is better than Magic. Celtics, is my favorite team, and I enjoyed watching them ❤❤
I'll die a Celtics fan. I grew up watching Larry Bird and he's THE best basketball player of all time. I dont care who disagrees. Recently I wanted to purchase a Bird jersey. Yeah....they're anywhere between $300 and $500 dollars. That's insane LOL He'll always be the best!
Larry is 6'9. Wasn't as slow as you think. His team,Parrish,Ainge,DJ, Maxwell, McHale all hall of famers.
No !!!! Larry made them hall of famers
@@DoNMoSs2 Never said he didn't
And Walton
@@donechols3937 sorry dude i had a argument on the subject with a familly member not long ago i think i too sensitive on this subject ^^'
@@DoNMoSs2 My response was to the guy that asked his height,and about his team. I was not a fan,but I totally respect him and Boston.
Man, why didn't you let the video play out? Missed a great scene Bird and Magic!
first off, saying hes the best WHITE player is purely racist and demeans his greatness. that aside, as someone who has watched the game since the late 70s, i can honestly say LARRY BIRD IS THE BEST SMALL FORWARD TO EVER PLAY THE GAME....PERIOD. and is definetly top 5 all time. i have him at 3
Before you compare Bird to anybody, check out the video of 5 Times Bird Was Injured But Didn't Quit... something like that. THEN compare him to ANYBODY and you'll see he's the GOAT
He grew up playing with brothers, the porters and dishwashers from the hotels. So that's a major reason why he got so good to begin with. Andalso why he didn't see color, it was could you play ball or not.
Look at Mr Birds best passes
you gotta check out 5 times larry bird was injured but refused to quit. also the 4 crazy stories to prove larry bird was toughest in the nba. both of them makes the legend of larry bird even more insane..
Magic dissolving into laughter over Bird never gets old 😆
Unless you watched this again, I believe you missed a few points while you were talking. First...In the game where the guys were falling off of the bench because of Larry's "rainbow" shot, they said that he had SIXTY points after that shot. Second...When he played that game left handed, they said he had 27 points...after three quarters...He actually finished the game with 47 points...Third...when he went down with the injury and went off the court for treatment, only to return later, the announcer said that he was returning "despite a FRACTURE of the right cheek." Efforts like those really brought a lot of people to become fans of Larry Byrd.
I watched it to. He played half of his career with a broke back
You haven't seen Bird's passing highligts yet have you?
No Labron is Not infront of Bird , its taken Labron almost 2x as many years as Bird played in total to have similar accolades as Bird , take Labrons best 4 year stretch and compare it to Birds , you can take Birds best 4 years and average the total over those 4 years and its a 50/40/90 average (BTW the first and second player to ever average a 50/40/90 season was Bird) his two seasons in that stretch that are not 50/40/90 seasons are so close his overage on the ones that are bring the average up to measure. Labron only has Longevity over Bird witch will allow him to accumilate more accolades but does not mean hes the better player.
the magic argument is the same magic has more rings hes also more flashy so has the eye test but he also had Kreem on his team witch has a solid goat claim in his own right , Magic had the better team backing him but that does not mean Magic was a better player than Bird.
you can carry this argument over to MJ as well but it go's in the Opposit direction this time MJ played Bird in the playoffs in back to back season's MJ got swept in back to back season's by bird 0-3 and 0-3 Birds team was better than MJ's but just watch those games its clear even thou MJ lost he was the better player
Need to watch his passing video
I loved your reaction
Larry was a solid 6'10..
Every picture with Magic... Larry is taller...
He was quick as a cat and jumped well. He ran away from, around,through and over every player that ever stood in front of him. That is an athlete. He also played the actual game as well as anyone who ever took a shot. He wouldn't have made any Olympic Track and Field teams, but there are no Track And Field Olympians in the HoF, either.
Couldn’t like or subscribe, my man. You talked over too much and cut off the video before it showed Magic, at Bird’s retirement ceremony, give him a jersey that said “to the greatest basketball player ever, but more important, a friend forever.”
One of the thing you talked over was when he came back I to the Indiana game, the Announcer said “Larry Bird, making his return from an apparent fracture of the right cheek .”
We want to hear what you have to say, so do us a favor and stop the video, say what you got, then take it back 10 seconds so you don’t miss important things like Bird leading his team to victory in the final game of a playoff series with a broken cheek, a concussion, and double vision. I reconsidered and liked and subscribed
If you check out Larry Bird passing, you will see what he did to compensate for being "slow", it's the 2nd half of the video.
If Bird had Magics teammates, he'd have 8 rings
I once saw it said like this "Magic could make a simple pass look amazing. Bird could make an amazing pass look simple."
Your quote about Bird and Magic "They're both ill AF" is SPOT ON. Both Bird and Magic were basketball gods. Cut from the same cloth at the same time. They just happened to be different colors and personalities. But their love of the game and dedication to it was EXACTLY the same. They're in my top 3 picks of all time right behind Jordan.
I feel you!
Larry Bird is the first player to accomplish the 50-40-90 club, the only person in NBA history to be named Rookie of the Year, 3 point Champion three straight years, MVP three times straight (When competing against Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Dr. J, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, James Worthy and many more), Finals MVP, All-Star MVP, Coach of the Year, and Executive of the Year.
Great Reaction. You Missed The Part After Larry Came Back Into The Game; Where The Announcer Said, Larry Had Fractured Cheek. So Do You Really Think LeFlop Would Have Came Back Into The Game After Fracturing A Face Bone.?. NOPE! Yes Larry was Slow BUT Really Not; Because He Was Always There At Either End Of The Court & Doing Something To Help. To Me Larry Had Back Then & Still To This Day The Best Basketball IQ & Skills. Barkley Once Said; Larry Not Having Athletic Skills Was Gods Way Of Making It Fair To the Rest Of Us. ha ha ha ... Anyway Enjoyed Your Look At This.
There are some great videos about Larry playing hurt. Another thing you should check out some of his trash talking stories. Then there is a great documentary about Magic and Bird - A Courtship of Rivals that you should check out. Thanks for the great reaction ❤
To be fair to LeBron, he could not have come back into that game, because Bird had a concussion. It might be that LeBron wouldn't have wanted to keep playing anyway, but regardless he would have been stopped by the league's doctors. They don't let people come back into games in the 21st century after they hit their head that hard.
@@SteveGellerMusic Well I Have "Heard" It Said; That The Doctor Did Tell Bird He Was Done. And Bird Waited Until The Doctor Stepped Away & Then Bird Snuck Out. Have You Seen The Acting/Flopping Job That LeBron & Others Will Do.?. This Whole League Is Made Up Of SOFT Men, From The Owners Down To The Players. For The Kind Of Money That Everyone Makes Now Days, They Should Have To Play With A Broken Arm/Leg,,,ha ha ha. I Really Don't Understand How People/Fans Can Stand To Watch Now Days, It's Down Right Boring.
The whole Slow talk is incorrect and misleading. He was obviously super quick for short distances and with amazing reflexes. But fast? Like running a 100 meter race? Probably not, but he didn’t need that.
That's my coach, Nolan Richardson. Coach knows skill and talent.
There was a funny comment an old player said about Bird - he said, you gotta be careful with Larry, he’s the type of guy that’ll slow right past you.
I know guys all get compared to players recently, and guys compare Cade Cunningham to Luka, but I think he’s more of a Bird. Just that slow methodical dude that takes his time and picks his spots, and just carves up defenses. I’ll take basketball IQ over athleticism any day, because that athleticism won’t last, but the basketball IQ just keeps getting better. There’s more than one way to skin a cat.
Thank you for admitting that he was slow. It's not a knock, it's just an observation that I saw.
@@realhurrikaneisaacOh for sure, he was slow as hell
I was very fortunate to witness the end of that Era. The one thing I've noticed is people still say the same things about Larry as they did back then. He's slow etc.. You have to understand his mentality. He wanted everyone to think he was slow. He wanted everyone to think he couldn't jump. Because the moment they did, they got embarrassed in front of their whole city. That's what made him more dangerous than anyone else. His mindset. Magic had really amazing style and skills. But Larry was a head hunter
Larry broke his finger, after he was drafted and before he signed his contract. He hurt his back, putting in a driveway for his mom in 85. He had double achilleas surgery. He played twice with double vision and fractures to his face. He played, after having a dr cut 2 inches in between his toes, to drain an infection. Not only was he a great player, he was a team player.
Thats why we love your mom here in Boston!! I'll always pick bird as the best all-around player ever to play the game. It's great to be a NE fan as we've had many great years of success in every sport!! Glad I always stuck with my home teams!
Much respect!
Only people who weren't alive to watch NBA basketball in the 80s say that today's game is faster. It's not true. I've been watching since the 60s, and it's just not true. Doncich couldn't carry Bird's jock strap. Larry played with a fractured cheek and eye socket, today's players sit out 3 games with a hang nail.
A little advice pause if you want to talk. You are missing what the narrator is telling you.
In any sport, the best play at their own pace and can usually bring the rest of the contest along with it.
When they talk over the best stories and not finish the whole video.... 🤦♂️
Wth, the end when magic came out was the BEST part of the entire video!
"Id rather guard Jordan than Bird. Both of them would beat you and Jordan made you look slow. But Bird made you look stupid"
what???
Yo and he had a 50,40,90 for literally four seasons in a row. 50% from the field, 40% from 3 (3 point was introduced while he was in the league), and 90% from the free throw line.
You talked over the part where they said Larry came back in the game with a fractured cheek bone after cracking his face on the floor.
LeBron is behind Jordan and Bird. Jordan is the Greatest Player of All Time while Bird is the Greatest All-Around Player of All Time. There is no way Lebron is ahead of Bird when Lebron doesn't always play defense, can't shoot free throws and had to learn to shoot after entering the league.. Bird didn't have to improve in any area (shooting, passing, rebounding, free throws, defense, etc.) but did so because of his love for the game.
LeBron always plays defense, still at 39 years of age he's one of the best defenders in the league. I agree with you that Bird was a great player, but defensively, there is no way he is better than LeBron, stop!!!!
Play the whole video, the end had magic with an autographed Laker jersey saying "to the greatest basketball player of all time, but more important a friend"
When you have great fundamentals and skill your athleticism doesn't matter as much. Bird and Jokic are cut from the same cloth.
Magic and Larry were the best to ever go head-head IMHO. Best ever.
Bird and magic are both said to be 6’-9” but anytime they are standing side by side bird is taller by at least an inch
Sweet intro, bro...
Larry Bird was listed as 6' 9 but most players say he's a 6' 10 at least. Remember when he was jawing with Kareem and was standing face to face and he wasn't that much smaller than Kareem who is 7' 2. And how long did it take for your Mom to convince you to check out some of Larry Bird stories and videos. I never knew that Larry was saying anything on the court it wasn't visible and you couldn't hear. Thank God for your Mom being a Long Time Celtics fan. I'm from Dayton Ohio and I've always liked Larry Bird and his style of Play
Saw Bird in person play for ISU in feb 78, and am old enough to have watched 79’ bird/magic title game. John Salley played against both, and I agree when he said both are incomparable. People don’t often talk about how similar they were. I finally gave up picking one or the other. Even the echoes of their college rivalry transferred to nba with Magic’s team having more depth. Laker organization was more inventive getting Worthy, Green, Cooper, Rambis, Scott. Celtics super 6th,Walton, got hurt after one year. People forget Bird lost a year because he was working on a trash truck. People also forget Magic scored over 40 as a rookie to win title because Kareem was hurt. I’ve never anything like either of them before or since . They’re both Savants at everything. I remember 79’ title game where Magic recognized that Donnelly was hot and fed him the ball.
You cut off the video?....
Just so you know...he shot over the backboard, but it didnt count. The commentator laughed about it saying "cant believe he shot over the backboard...it didnt count but he made the shot" all while laughing LOL
Good reaction check out making the case for Larry great video tells the whole story 😊
You're right about the teammates. Great shirt by the way.
Side to side he wasn't slow lol!
Thank you ! We will take #4
Bird , Magic, How could you not try to elevate your own game.
6:50 I don’t know how tall his ass was but his body was listed at 6’9, many opponents say 6’10
Gotta love the white humor.
6:50. Bird was about 6'9", so to answer your question his ass would have been about half that height off the ground.
Everyone always yells about, they aren't playing defense! The thing they don't realize is that if you shut down Larry's shooting, he starts passing! Everyone was scared of Larry's fakes, because you never knew if they were fakes! Every move he made you had to take serious! If you didn't you looked stupid! Small Forward 2-3, GOAT 4-5!
Please understand LaFlop is destroying the game and turn it into nothing more than the game of
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