Cheapest Way To Heat a Garage in Winter [Red Diesel] VEVOR Diesel Heater Review For Workshop or Van
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- Cheapest Way To Heat a Garage in Winter [Red Diesel] VEVOR Diesel Heater Review For Workshop or Van
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We have previously put a diesel heater in our camper van, and we were very pleased with it. It heats the van up quickly, and hardly seems to need refilling very often. The electric fan heater that I have been using in my workshop has become very expensive to run due to the large increase in the cost of electricity, so I was considering getting a diesel heater and rigging it up to heat the workshop up.
The arrival of this heater coincided with a very cold spell here in England with consistently freezing temperatures day and night. So the original plan of a careful installation to heat the workshop went out of the window, I had a heating emergency.
Like I did with the previous heater I wanted to test it first, so I put it together quite quickly. They aren’t difficult to build up. Attach the burner air inlet and the exhaust, add electricity and fuel then you are pretty much good to go. When I first went to start it, I had a bit of a problem priming it. When I looked inside the case this was caused by me being too stingy with the initial amount of diesel I had put in. I quickly resolved this by adding some diesel and holding the tank up so that gravity had the maximum force to help me.
Once I had confirmed that it ran OK I put it into my workshop under the bench. I ran the exhaust straight through the wall, there is only a single skin of wood there. I used some fire blanket to insulate the wood around the exhaust pipe as this is the only real concern.
These heaters run on 12v (24v for some models) DC. The sticker on the casing says 40w, but I know that this is the constant for the fan and the burner pump. When the glow plugs are starting off the consumption will be nearer to 100w, but that will only be for a couple of minutes at the start.
They are intended to be connected into a vehicle's wiring system. For now I decided to hook it up to a spare 12v car battery I have. This means that the battery will need to be charged when it starts to run down. It is a 70ah battery which means it should give 840 watt hours. It makes sense not to run the battery below 50% too often so the battery will need charging every 10 hours of running or so, but should last up to around 20 hours.
Eventually I intend to get a 240v AC to 12v DC power supply so that I can just plug it in. I will look for one that is around 100w to take into account the glow plugs at the start, but as it will mostly be running below 50% capacity so should be quite reliable.
To reduce the cost of running the heater I am going to burn red diesel. In the UK this is fuel for us in agriculture and for boats, so it has less tax on it. You can get a fine if you are caught using it in a car or van, so it pays to make sure you keep the containers separate.
I know that these heaters can also burn kerosene (paraffin in the UK), cooking oil and even old engine oil. There are some issues about using each of these so before I would use them I would look into it carefully. I do know that you need a licence to burn old engine oil, I suspect this is a pollution issue, but it would make running these kinds of heaters very cheap.
As I am using it at the moment, I found that the heater uses around .5 of a litre per hour when it is running at full speed. But this drops quite dramatically when you turn the pump speed down, to around .25 litres per hour. Once the room is at a working temperature and the heat it puts out with the fan turned full down is still quite sufficient to keep my workshop at a working temperature. So it has a substantially lower cost than heating with an electric fan heater, especially with the red diesel
My biggest problem in the workshop is the lack of insulation, it loses heat quite rapidly when I turn the heating off.
In use the heater is quite noisy, but probably no noisier than an electric fan heater. The ticking of the pump is perhaps the most intrusive sound. For normal use in a workshop it isn’t a problem. but if I am creating video content I couldn’t really have it running. I am hoping that I will be able to position the heater to run in a place further away from my work area, using some trunking to pipe in the hot air. But that is a job for another day, for the moment I am just going to enjoy the warmth.
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Run it through a battery with a float charger - if the mains fails, the heater will continue to run and eventually shut down on low battery voltage - but if the mains fails, without any other battery back-up, the heater will stop in a ‘hot’ condition - without the fan running, for cool-down. This may well damage, or even kill, the electronics board attached at the rear of the heat exchanger (they fit it there because it needs to be in a cool air flow). Beware that, if inside, any insurance may well be voided - unless cleared with the company in writing.
These heaters apparently run perfectly well on UK kerosene (28s Redwood) heating oil, which can be a fair bit cheaper than diesel.. Slightly less heat output (you won’t notice) but slightly less efficient (more exhaust losses).
Each litre of diesel contains around 10.5kWh of energy, so output can be checked by accurately checking the volume used per hour. There are only two sizes of these heaters - with different body sizes - the larger, which may feed 0.5l/h will only provide about 4.5kW of hot air and the smaller one will obviously be less.
A good honest video on the heater. These are clones of other rather more expensive heaters, but can be reliable, even though cheap chinese copies. Don’t try to run it on waste oil if it has the controller which operates with 6 speed settings (H1-H6) as these controller/motherboard combinations do not appear to be easily adjusted for fuels with different energy content.
Thank you Richard for sharing some really in depth knowledge about these heaters. It's a great idea to use a float charger on a battery, I was worried about power outages, so this is a great solution.
I am thinking of trying it with kerosene (paraffin, here in the UK) once I have run through some more red diesel so that I can get a fair comparison. I was dubious about using waste oil, what you have said confirms that it probably isn’t a good idea. I do think you can get fined if you are caught using it without the correct licence.
@@SPANNERRASH I’m in the UK, too. I’m not fully aware of the whole range of fuels available - other than gas oil/derv/diesel/red diesel, and 28s Kerosene heating oil.
The four grouped together are practically the same from a combustion point of view but differ in government taxation and possibly allowable pollutants in the fuel (road fuels must have an ultra-low sulphur content, for instance). The 28s Redwood kerosene heating oil seems to contain sufficient lubricity to protect the pump from damage or excessive wear, will burn with more free oxygen in the exhaust gases (so more nitrogen, as well), but seems that it is far more cost effective for these heaters.
The heaters, where the fuel:air ratio can easily be altered, to suit the fuel being used, present the best option for cheapest and most efficient running of these heaters.
Many, it seems, are trying to burn less-volatile fuels (with higher calorific value) in these heaters that are not (easily) programmed for that - and are surprised when the burners block and require maintenance or replacement parts after very short run-times. They see others claiming they can do it and want to emulate them to increase their followers/watch-count but do not have the ability to succeed, for one or several reasons.
@@oliver90owner Again thanks for sharing detailed knowledge about that, really appreciate it!
I think I'll stick with red diesel/gasoil for now to save blocking the machine up like you describe.
I'm definitely curious about whether this Vevor machine can be set up to use alternatives though, i'll need to look into that in more detail but I think it might require aftermarket modification in this case.
@@SPANNERRASH If it has a controller that has pump speeds from H1 to H6 shown on the screen (starts on H3 setting), that combination of controller and motherboard seem to be not (easily) capable of altering the fuel:air ratio for an optimum burn. As I think I wrote earlier, burning central heating oil (28s Redwood) is less efficient energy-wise, but more economical in £p. I call it kerosene, but you call it paraffin. Don’t know why, as central heating boilers are not called paraffin boilers. Paraffin in the UK usually refers fuel used in paraffin heaters with wicks (such as greenhouse heaters which must not poison the plants with sulphur dioxide), or the fuel used in the old fashioned (now) blow lamps for heating frozen pipes, etc.
Float charger will eventually shut off, it’s not designed to be a constant power source
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I really like my diesel heater in my old van. It can be a lifesaver in the winter. I believe I could survive the coldest of nights with it. I could even direct the heat from the big hose duct right into a sleeping bag if I had to. It's for safety. It could be a real life saver if I ever broke down, went off a road and got stuck during a storm or whatever.
Thanks for sharing! They are surprisingly good. If only they were a little bit quieter :)
They are brilliant heaters, very good value. 🇬🇧
Cheers John, definitely brought my bill down considerably.
I’ve watched plenty of Vevor diesel heater videos and they all have one thing in common. They are all installed to heat up a non-insulated space. 😂 Great video and great content. Thank you!
Ha, maybe if I had put in better insulation I wouldn't have had quite the same "heat emergency". I suspect a lot of people, like me, throw up a workspace in the Summer and are too excited to get on with their projects to finish it off completely. I always plan to extend and improve in the Summer, but riding and wrenching always get in the way.
@@SPANNERRASH I think most people can relate to that. Since I’m Scandinavian I’m used to the cold so I insulate everything. The good thing is that it works both ways. It makes my workshop colder during hot days as well. Thank you for a great channel! 👌
@@johnandersson Cheers John! I should really take a leaf out of the Scandinavian book and get that sorted this year. You already know I'll be saying it's too hot come summertime. 😂
Did you burn your shed down? Don't think that heat mat will protect the timber?
Excellent video, looking to fit one into my office shed.
Thank you, hope it's helpful for you! I will be fitting this one is a more finalised position at some point soon. But it works a treat where it is currently.
@@SPANNERRASH very helpful just need to find a way to wire it to the mains but also have a backup battery. Don't fancy keeping a 12v battery with a trickle charger connected. Would rather find some permanent power solution.
Exhaust must be lowest to the ground and muffler is just a condensation block so it’s got to go on it’s side with drain hole at bottom. Merry Christmas bro , good vid
Thanks for the advise. I don't intend the heater to run in it's current configuration for long. I will make sure it doesn't become a condensation trap when I look for a more permanent installation.
Good luck with heater. Mines brilliant . Red diesel is now very hard to get in our area ( North Kent) and getting more diff8cult. I am going to try heating oil when my red diesel runs out (soon) . Hope it runs OK on that otherwise its white diesel , shock horror at £1-74 per liter !
It seems that red diesel is hard to find everywhere. I hadn't looked for it before, but I had noticed it on the forecourt at a Gulf station nearby, so I must be lucky. I would have thought heating oil should work, others have suggested it. Good luck.
BTW, the expected life expectancy of a Chinese diesel heater is between 2,500 and 5,000 hours.
( It is the same as typical German brand diesel heaters. The older Chinese diesel heater manufacturers origin from joint-ventures with Webasto and Eberspächer. )
If you don't manipulate the burn settings, it will run without cleaning.
The first thing to break is often the ventilator system bearings.
It is definitely a cheap an reliable heating system.
Thanks, that is really interesting. Seems quite a reasonable duration, I suspect that most die of being left in a poor environment before they get to that number of hours of usage. I was wondering whether it would need the burner cleaning, there is a lot of varying information. I am not intending to use anything other than diesel or paraffin at the moment.
On these all-in-one heaters I suggest you mount the pump on the outside of the box as the box resonates the noise from the pump.. I put a 3 inch shelf at the top of 1 edge with two holes and suspend the pump by bungees and one single bungee to tie it down input lower than the output and that will be a much quieter pump.
That's a great idea. If I make the pump quieter like you suggest and improve the exhaust like somebody else suggested I might not have to move it.
@@SPANNERRASH Speaking of exhausts, one the new type arrived late yesterday, this is the type that ports are not in line and have fancystove enameling on box £27 china so took a while to arrive, but wow! huge difference so quite. Now I will have to buy 3 more, I hope i get discount!
@@chrisharrell2449 That sounds like a very exotic heater, you'll have to let me know what its called so I can look it up and see. Cheers!
@@SPANNERRASH I have 4 heaters all different the 2 latest with bluetooth are maxpeeding mxr-1f £199 amazon. and hcalory smart heater. type 1 book says. I paid £140 something on a black friday deal on banggood, but its way up in the £2oo,s now. it has extented feet on bottom so easier to run exhaust so it looks taller in ADs. I note many conpanies are sold out of heaters, because of the energy emergencey. I've taken pictures of the various ways pumps filters and taps are mounted, but i cannot find a way to attatch them to this reply so i did put a photo link but i think they treated it as spam!
I bought the same one, just haven’t tested yet. Resistance heat for shop is currently about $150/mo, which is more than the fuel to heat the house.
It is certainly cheaper than using electric. I set it going about 30 minutes before I go into the workshop and the air temperature is fine, it takes a long while before the tools warm up though :)
good vid
good luck
Thanks, Andy, good luck to you too!
One little thing to remember re-red diesel, It does not contain antifreeze, In my trucking days we had a fleet of those truck munted forklft trucks, So they wee dragged down the motorway at 55+ mph before being started and we found out the hard way that come November they had to be swapped to Road Diesel to make sure all the red was through the system before December and the frost. or the fail rate was almost 100%, It would be kind of annoying to have a heating system that does not work in sub zero tempertures .
Interesting, I hadn't even considered that. I believe you can buy an additive to prevent this, but then it would start to affect the main reason you were using it, the cost. If you look through the video it was very cold when I made it, and was for a short while after. I didn't have any problems with the diesel at the time, but it is something I will look out for in the future.
I use red diesel on my farm in sub zero. Never heard of this or experienced it.
There is summer diesel and winter diesel which has a different solidifying temperature. Low amounts, try 1%, of petrol works well as an additive to keep diesel from waxing
Just bought one as my garage is freezing and full of condensation so hoping this will get rid of it and keep my car in there toasty warm
Works really well, but I use mine to keep me warm, I'm not sure I would be looking at using one for 24/7 heating for my car though.
if you don't run your exhaust out on a down angle you'll get condensation you'll cause soot to build up in your combustion area and stop running and possible hurt it.
Thanks for the advice. This was an initial temporary installation, when I make it more permanent I will do just as you say. I have already made the silencer point downwards :)
Good review, cheers. I bought one of these heaters a couple of weeks ago during the really cold snap we had here in the UK. I found it took about 3 attempts at priming before I could get the heater to fire up (I made the same mistake as you did, didn't put enough fuel in initially so the tank outlet wasn't submerged) but once it did, it started pumping out some serious heat after just a few minutes of running. I found the instructions next to useless and used other TH-cam vids to work out what does what. Your unit seems to generate a lot more fan noise than mine does, maybe that's your microphone picking up more noise? (my unit is almost identical to yours). Just one point, the exhaust silencer has a drain hole that should face downwards - I expect you've noticed that by now. Good tip to get gasoil, I didn't realise it's allowed to use red diesel for such heaters so I'll be getting some of that. I also mounted my heater on wooden blocks - I think the exhaust underneath the unit is a bit daft, it would be much better with a side or rear exit. As well as blocks I built a small frame for mine to sit higher off the floor so that the air circulates at about waist height. Now it gets quite comfortable in my workshop after only about half an hour.
Thanks for the tip on the exhaust, I am not intending to leave it like that for long. I installed one in my campervan last year, there is a video on my channel for that as well. This one does seem a bit noisier than the other, but I think the microphone is making it sound a little worse than it is in reality. I should have looked at the tank outlet a little closer before priming, it takes around a litre of fuel to make sure the pipe is below the surface. I wonder if you could run them with the burner on it's side so that the inlet and exhaust was on the side? I haven't seen anyone commenting on trying to do this, probably doesn't work. I am enjoying the heat though!
Heating oil at 80p a litre seems a better option than red diesel?
@Chris Stevens good point, 80p a litre would be nice, my last heating oil bill was at £1.04 a litre :-(
@@coplandjason Mate bought 500 litres about 3 weeks ago, @ 80p litre. Using diesel heaters to heat his house, burning 2 litres a day.
@@chrisstevens8431 Heating oil sounds like an interesting proposition, especially at that price. I don't know much about it, but it's likely that it could work, considering some even run these diesel heaters on waste oil with success. I'd bet on heating oil being much more similar to diesel or gasoil than that.
first thing to upgrade before install the dodgy green soft plastic fuel pipe
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always ramp up to full power for ten minutes before shutting down
to burn off any carbon build up inside ( soot )
the black air intake is only for stopping flys insects being sucked into the chamber
the silencer is next to useless I left mine off
as when temp is turned down the noise reduces also
hope the info helps
{:-) PAV UK
Thanks for the advice. I will take a good look at the fuel line, and probably change it. I never thought about a close down procedure to reduce the need for maintenance, what you suggest sounds like a really good idea. Besides the fact that the noise reduces on lower power I am going to look at how I might isolate the pump, as it makes the most intrusive noise.
Can i ask, do these all use a 12v supply like a car battery or can i use something else?
@@gravey07 there are ones that use 24 volt for use in lorry's
I use one of these
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@@davexvs cheers 👍🏼
-0,7C is bloody freezing??? Don't move to Canada. We I live, anything above -20C in winter is fair weather... LOL I just bought one of those heater for my shop, because I was tired of having my spanners stick frozen to my hand if they are wet... ;-) Thanks for the video.
I've got soft in my old age! But in my defence, in the UK it can be zero centigrade on day and 10 centigrade the next we never get a real chance to get used to it. I used to love the crisp powdery snow when it was really cold when I lived in Germany, but it would stay like that for a while. I had skis and ice skates that got used in the Winter, but when I moved back to the UK I realised I hadn't used them in a couple of decades, so got rid. I do a lot more complaining about the weather now, must be the English disease :) Have fun this Winter!
you need to change the way you have done the exhaust it shouldnt have a bend up in the air it is recommended that the exhaust has a fall to allow condensation to drain and unburnt fuel .if you look at the muffler it has a hole in the seem that allows drainage.i would raise the heater higher so you can use the same hole you have drilled for the exhaust.soon or later it will block up the way you have it . hope this helps
Thanks for the advice. I may raise up the heater like you suggest so that there isn't a problem in the short term. If I do that, though, I might not get around to moving it :) I knew the exhaust wasn't right, but like I said it was a quick and dirty installation.
Mine is 8kw and I run it off a good 12v car battery, battery is topped up by a trickle charger with a solar panel on the garage roof. I’ve also found that mixing the diesel with a little engine oil helps keep it lubricated well. On level 10(highest heat setting) I put one litre in and it lasted 5 hours continuous. With the garage door shut and sealed it warmed up really well. Make sure exhaust is level and the muffler is horizontal at the outlet, as the condensation needs to drain out through the little hole.
I find that mine uses more fuel than that. I am finding one litre doing 3 hours or so, and that isn't always on full power. My workshop has really poor insulation, it is something I intend to address before next Winter, currently I am just accepting that most of the heat bleeds away quickly when I turn the heater off or open the door.
@@SPANNERRASH guessing I might need to insulate my garage, it gets easily -20(f) here and I plan to use one of these
@@escapetherace1943 Good insulation will make a world of difference, I definitely recommend.
These heaters are great, fitted one in the landy for a snow trip in Scotland and it was great for pre heating the vehicle with the remote.
You can use veg oil and wvo legally too, if you use more than 2,500 litres a year then you need to register to pay duty on it.
Apparently the 2,500 is for an individual, same with using it in a car, so a partner will have a 2,500 limit too.
Interesting. I am not sure where I would source wvo regularly, but it is worth looking into.
I'd like to see a follow up video, 4 weeks into using the heater. How is it holding up?
We will probably do a follow up, but maybe in a couple of months. Only been running it on red diesel and it seeems a little more efficient than I first thought. Still thinking about how to provide the electricity, just got a new battery charger to keep the battery topped up, but I would like to use a direct power supply if I can.
@@quetzaluman57 somebody pointed out that if you get a power cut with a power supply it may kill the heater,. which really concerned me as the power supply to my workshop is known to trip out. I am thinking of sticking with battery that is connected to a trickle charger so that this wont happen. Using the heat from the exhaust is a good idea, I might use a longer exhaust pipe and run it inside like you to make the most of it.
If it's red, it's heating oil, not diesel. Although they are the same thing, heating oil is dyed red to indicate that road taxes have not been paid on it. (at least in the US)
They all seem to be from the same family of fuels. Here in the UK the red stuff, is freqently called red diesel. It has less tax than fuel oil, but if you get caught using it in a vehicle there are large fines.
Thanks for making this video. I’ve got a small grow house 6’ x 3’, 5’ tall. Do you think this would be suitable for heating it or would the output be too much for an area that small?
Hi mate, interesting question. Its a surprisingly powerful heater I'd worry about it being too powerful in that small a space to be honest.
Yes, that’s my concern. Thanks for your reply
@@oz969🚬🚬🚬nice man
Really interesting, I was thinking of getting one myself for the garage. How long will it run on a fully charged battery? I've no power in my garage. Great videos 👍
I have put some info about the battery life in the comments. I would expect to have to recharge a 70ah battery every 10 to 12 hours to make sure that ther was a good safety margin. Obviously if you get a higher rated battery it woud last longer.
it would totally depend on what amp hour battery is used, 40w @ 12v = 3.33 amp so
a 60 aph battery should last 18 hours
a 110 aph battery should last 33 hours both types need to be AGM or deep charge / leasure batteries
normal car batteries dont last as long
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Only just watched this video, now you have had it installed for some time do you have genuine feed back you could leave thanks Bernie
I can only say I have used this at least 3 times last week, and I have just bought some more red diesel. Only complaint would be that it is too noisy for me to make videos by.
Should have the exhaust pipe angled down wards 😮 , ?
Thanks. I have adjusted it so that the drain hole is to the bottom.
Red diesel
@ the pump!!!
I Cant red hold of red for love nor money
A lot of people are saying that, becoming like hen's teeth Gasoil by the sound of it!
This question might be a silly one... but can you put a 240v plug on the heater and plug it into the house mains?
Unfortunately not, it runs at 12v. I was considering getting a computer/laptop power supply that gave 12v and connecting it. You would need to concider how many amps the supply gave, the heater uses glow plugs at first which require more amps than most power supplies that you can easily find. Maybe somebody else will read this comment and give us more info.
With a brick built garage, will the heat from the exhaust pipe damage the wall? Should I drill through the mortar/corners of bricks or through the middle of one brick? Got to buy a 26mm masonry bit first, unless I need even larger to allow for heat wrap of some kind??
I expect that most walls wouldn't have a problem, but I do think it would be good practice to put some sort of heat wrap around it. If you drill the hole bigger by around 4 or 5 mm, then you can put some fireblanket type material in as packing. You would probably need to seal the hole anyway. Good luck.
@@SPANNERRASH Thanks for replying. What are your thoughts on through the middle of one brick vs mortar/corner of 4 bricks?
I don't think it matters, I'd go for whichever was easiest.
@@SPANNERRASH Thanks for replying, I haven't mounted the heater yet so will look at the route of the pipe then, ultimately that will decide.
After the installation i was hoping to see you walk back into camera shot wearing a man-kini and some sunnies 😂
Ha, it didn't make the cut! :)
@@SPANNERRASH good video thanks. Looking into one for my garage.
The exhaust must not point up as water will get in the exhaust silencer must be level with the small drain hole pointing down
Thanks, I will change it.
Sick to the back teeth of my diesel heater, pumps constantly failing, only had the thing 18 months and on my 4th pump that has failed today so ordered yet another. Going to empty the tank out and install better filters but if it doesn't sort itself it's going in the bin.
Although I have heard of other pumps failing, you seem to have had really bad luck. Some people seem to run these almost continuously and haven't had a problem with their pump. Maybe look at a different supplier of spare parts.
I may have missed this but how much did it warm up after a couple of hours?
The air temperature became noticably warmer. The temp gauge you see in the video recorded a rise of 6 degrees C over a couple of hours which was less than I expected. My workshop is not insulated and has a lot of gaps allowing draughts. It has a volume of around 25 meters or 800 feet. Ihope that helps.
I have a video of the one I have here in my garage. I'm using a power supply out of a computer which has plenty of power
Not a bad idea to use a PSU from a PC. But somebody else suggested using a battery with a trickle charger to avoid any problems if there was a power cut.
@@SPANNERRASH I did that in the beginning but the trickle charger was not able to keep up with the demand of the heater. Now for a backup it would work but I'd go for a solar generator instead
Vevor no longer stock any of these products, I'm sure you must have checked those links before you only posted this on the 26th?
I spottted that they went out of stock quite quickly after the video went live. It's a shame try the eBay link that should lead you some alternatives if you need one quickly.
What if just trying to put kero?
I have seen some people mention it but I'm not sure if it is safe, you would have to research it.
Oh to find a garage that sells gasoil near me. Buying 500 litres from a supply company is a non starter for most folk running one of these heaters.
It seems to be more of a problem than I would have thought. I am perhaps lucky in having a nearby supply. Maybe you could try getting Paraffin, it may be easier, a lot of DIY shops used to sell it. I suspect the bigger ones charge quite a premium though.
@@SPANNERRASH Sadly Kerosene/paraffin is more expensive than white diesel round here.
I have seen your both videos on this heater.
What are differences?
Same video another comments.
The one I used in the camper van was an 8kw and this workshop one was a 5kw. To be honest it was hard to notice a lot of difference and the internals are pretty much identical. The control panel was different but had the same functions. Both Vevor supplied machines and I'd recommend them.
@SPANNERRASH That's what i thought. Internal and external looks the same. I have also read on Vevor website and downloaded the instructions - same fuel usage and power output.
I have not been able to get hold of any red diesel. I got an emergency generator in case the power went off before Christmas last year, not used it yet, but really have not been able to find any red diesel. I'm in Yorkshire, where do you get yours?
I buy the red diesel in Filey at a Gulf station, TBH I am not sure how available it is elsewhere. I suspect if you look for fuel stations in areas that serve agricultural or fishing communities you may find a source.
@@SPANNERRASH Thanks, Huddersfields not too good for the coast, but I will have a think about the agricultural aspects.
@@billdoodson4232 No worries, not much of a fishing industry round there 😂 Best of luck tracking down a source.
Half a litre per hour is about 80p per hour? A 2000W fan heater is about that anyway and you can pick one of those up for what, £15? Am i missing something here?
I'm was probably being pessimistic at first. It seems more efficient now that I am using it more, but still not as good as the .1l per 1kwh that I have seen written in a few places.
Heating oil is FAR cheaper than red diesel. If bought in bulk between a few people, it's as low 80p litre. NEVER run a Chinese heater on used engine or cooking oil, as that will quickly clog the combustion chamber.
I haven't looked into buying heating oil yet, but thanks for the tip. I am not planning to use cooking oil or engine oil at the moment, too many people have reported issues.
@@SPANNERRASH I find it a bit weird that there is all sorts of nonsense about running these heaters on waste oil, but no mention at of heating oil at all?
The link to buy the uk version takes you to a discontinued item 😢
Hi Martin, its a real shame that, but make sure you check the Ebay link in the description. I bet on there will be alternative sellers of very similar machines available to purchase straight away.
20 ltrs kerosene delivered from RYE OILS ( at the time typing this £38 ) = £1.90 ltr
if it's a permanent fixture get the 2 metre exhaust pipe and have the majority of the exhaust inside the building , with your current installation you are wasting loads of heat from the exhaust pipe casing
I was hoping the kerosen would be cheaper, the red diesel was only £1.52 so looks a better option at the moment. Great advise about the exhaust pipe, I never thought about that it seems a great idea to get more of the heat.
@@SPANNERRASH but red diesel is being fazed out and in some places it’s not available anymore
@@SPANNERRASH place a computer type fan in front of the pipe to spread the heat, cheap as chips and can be run off the power supply for the heater
@@martinbridgland149 Thought it was hard to come by. Luckily I found a petrol station not too far a way that had it. It's the only one I know of though...
@@martinbridgland149 Great idea, I'll look to rig something like that up when I finalise a longer exhaust. 👍
Cheap Chinese heaters won't run on anything other than diesel without having to clean them out every other day. They're noisy and the clicking pump drives you mad! Also note that your insurance is void if there's a fire caused by one of these.
Useful information, what have you tried to run them on? I know what you mean about the clicking, but it does fade into the background. When it's cold in the van I find it quite comforting, I start to feel warmer as soon as I hear the pump kick in.
Your wrong there not ever insurance is the same
Red diesel do you mean kerosene? can It run on green diesel that you would use in a tractor?
red in england green in ireland
in the UK tractor or plant diesel is known as cherry so red diesel but thats being fazed out
The diesel that is coloured red (green in Ireland apparently) indicates that less fuel duty is paid on it. It is to help some types of businesses such as agriculture with lower costs. You get a fine if you are caught using it in a car in the UK. Kerosene ( it is called paraffin in the UK) will also work with them, but may give out a little less heat I have been told.
Heating oil (aka kerosene) works a treat in this type os heater.
edit: you can get away with up to (?) 15% kerosene in a diesel vehicle. (Kerosene does not have lubrication properties of diesel - remember your injector pump)
How big is your space?
Hi, I think you may be asking how hot. When I use the heater it warms the air quite quickly, which means it is comfortable to work in, but it takes a lot longer for things in my workshop to warm up. The tools and items I am working on can still be very cold for the first couple of hours. I hope that helps.
Tied to get one of these but no joy , contacted vevor but they said do not deliver to Scotland , any one got any ideas ? Did notice delivery charges were hundreds on some sites .Lar36
Surprised that they don't deliver to mainland Scotland. I know that it seems standard practice for a lot of companies do charge extra for the Islands.
Ebay mate I got Chinese one works grand.
I'll stick to my Kerosun heaters. This contraption doesn't seem to offer any benefit, plus if our house loses heat a Kerosun heater can be carried from room to room.
I suspect that the diesel heater will put out more hot air overall than a standard kerosene heater. But if your heaters aren't too expensive to run I don't blame you for not changing them., especially if you want to move them around.
Kerosene?
I have two Kerosun-like heaters but except for being portable, they are less powerful compared to diesel ones, and moreover the price of the special odourless fuel they use has skyrocketed (at least here in Italy) to some crazy 80 euros for a 18-liter tank, so I promptly got myself a couple of 8kw diesel heaters. They are not intended for home use, of course, but to warm up my shed / lab / office they proved very effective.
@@SPANNERRASH only issue I find with any forced air heaters is that they create immediate condensation on cold metal parts (motorcycles/cars) ... So, nice heaters, but that's what I've experienced.
@@pulidoggy Awesome, glad you're having a good experience with them. It doesn't get much more cost effective, if you play by the rules anyway.
Link provided will not show price until personal info is filled in. Don’t do that anymore. Used torpedo heaters are likely more affordable rather than feeding the Chinese machine. Good review though.
Hi, I have just checked the links, all of them take you to a page with a price or stock level if none available. Not sure what has happened for you, don't give personal info to any random websites. Thanks for the encouragement though.
@@SPANNERRASH Thanks for the follow up. I'll check it again!
@@SPANNERRASH Indeed. I checked on my PC and the prices are there. Much appreciated!
@@836dmar No worries pal, cheers!
point exhaust down
Yes, I know I need to reconfigure the exhaust to avoid condensation pooling in it. This was just to get it up and running.
no ! just point the small condensate hole down
WTH? You did all that and no mention of temperature rises.
I did intend to do more of that but it didn't make a lot of sense. But I did put the heat gain over a couple of hours. It is really strange the air feels a lot warmer after 30 minutes or so, but the temp gauge still showed a very slow gain. My workshop is very poorly insulated so the heat bleeds out very quickly. It takes a long while for the tools to start to warm up :)
I have mine at the back of my garage, exhaust exiting through the back wall. The heat that comes out of the heater is great, but the big downside with it in a garage is the fact that the up and over garage door lets in so much cold air that it negates the warmth generated by the diesel heater. I’ve sealed the door as best as possible to keep the heat in, but as soon as you open the garage to get in or out you lose the heat.
I didn't realise how poorly insulated my workshop was until this year. Previously I didn't find it as much of an issue, maybe I am getting soft!
Kerosene is
called paraffin in the UK. I haven't tried it yet, but will do soon.
Cheaper than wood or natural gas.
An article I read said that wood was potentially the cheapest heating in the UK. But that it did depend on where you could buy it. I think that the potential heat put out by the different fuels favours the diesel over wood, and it does give more control, but I am sure somebody will put me right if that is wrong.
Your exhaust is all wrong! They should never be pointed upwards. If you look at the one you have on. There is a very small hole in one of the seams. This is to let any water vapers drain out. And you need to have your exhaust horizontal for this or any water will build up & go back in into your heater and can break it.
Thanks for the advice. I have adjusted the exhaust now.
I’m staying with natural gas and propane
If you already have it plumbed in I don't blame you. But if the cost of gas etc keeps rising might be worth looking at again.
Come back this time next year.. But you rethink that statement.
I’m still trying to understand why people think it’s going to change that fast
@ 12min 29..... "for 300kW"... dont think so.....
Ha ha, Well done! I never spotted that I had said that, I meant 3kw. Considering I did watch it back many times when editing, my brain must have been frozen. If only 300kw was true, that would be brilliant.
I found the pump quite noisy so removed it from the heater, and surrounded it in heat resistant foam with a sound insulation backing and now you can’t hear it.
I've thought about doing this, but in my workshop the pump is no more intrusive that the fan. But I will think about it when/if I move the heater.
Man, put some diesel in there.
I was intending to try some different fuels, which is why I didn't fill it straight away. But from what some of the comments have told me I am planning to stick with diesel for a while.
your exhaust and intake are routed the wrong ways
Not sure what you mean. I know there is a cut out at the bottom on one side which seems to be for the exhaust, but it is on the wrong side for me to route the exhaust out. If you were putting the unit in a vehicle you would route them down through the floor.
@@SPANNERRASH the exhaust gets routed out the back, and the intake to the side.
You old cheap bugger with the fuel. 🤣 Just teasing you.
Spot on analysis of my motivation. :) Really pleased that it is working out.
Just as a note of reference, you cannot buy red diesel legally unless you have the certificate from the revenue dept, which you have to apply for and then show to the fuel seller. The law changed in April 22, so beware of this.
Thanks for this but I've just read everything I can find on Gov.Uk and I can't find anywhere that says I need to apply for a permit for heating for a non commercial building. Where I have been buying the red diesel they have me put my name, address and intended use in a register that they have. Can you give me a link to the information about this and how to apply for a permit if I have to?
Apparently as of Jan 2023 these are failing UK import conditions.
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/63bc4b9ae90e07302fe193a6/2212-0008-psr-vevor-diesel-heater.pdf.
Good video though.
Thanks for sharing that Paul, that's very interesting. I had a look at the pdf and it indicates that the issue is the lack of good quality instructions to help consumers avoid gassing themselves out with the exhaust gasses. That's a relief that it's not a dangerous mechanical issue. Still, it's not ideal if they are being turned away at the border. I guess it means you'll have to stick to UK stock if you're buying.
@@SPANNERRASH I’m In Australia, perhaps the Government doesn’t care if we gas ourselves. After all we were originally convicts. 😬
@@paullewis252 Haha! That's quite an alarming theory! 😂 I thought the Aussie authorities were a bit more hands-on these days.
0,5lit/hour IS WAY TO MUCH, My 8kw on 5/level taking 1,5dl, if I burn wasteoil50% plus 50% E85 I comming upp to 220celsius with the same consumption. You must start first 15mins with diesel than you have to turn of 20mins with diesel...
I'm not 100% sure I'm following you there, but the idea of burning a mix of waste oil sounds good. Its a shame I'd need a license here to do that legally, and they're ridiculously expensive to get. :(
@@SPANNERRASH Here in Sweden it is not legall 😒😒
@@Bounty-Hunter69 You're lucky. Here they want to fine you for using it. But if you take waste oil to the proper place for disposal, they burn it anyway! 😂 I think they just want to make sure we're paying plenty of tax on our fuels.
@@SPANNERRASH 100% corect.
@@SPANNERRASH Why would you ask for permission? Just hide it.
These are rocketing in price!! They’re a fantastic design & a quality build, so buy one NOW!!
With a big heat output, one could easily heat a small home.
Fuck heat pumps in this weather, they’re farting at thunder!,
Everything is going up! Where will it all end?
@@SPANNERRASH Unfortunately Yes, But we cant sit around a whinge & moan about it, it’s out-with our control mate. If we’re resourceful & help each other, we’ll through the shit. Thanks mate, it’s people like you that are a great help to everyone👍👍
@@TheDickPuller 100% agree mate, cheers!