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World Rugby have some immediate changes, some likely changes and some possible changes. I agree with some strongly, and similarly disagree with others...what do YOU think?
THE PREVIOUS VIDEO I MENTION. I covered some of these topics a few months back, here: th-cam.com/video/z4G89rQ-mGY/w-d-xo.html
The last RWC finals from QF to Final were close games.No lopsided victories.South Africas last three saw a winning margin of only 1 point.Fine tune but do not water down the scrum.
Tim I think you made it onto Chasing the Sun 2, well I’m pretty sure I heard your voice in episode 1
I love the varied strategies that can be explored and used in rugby because of all its different competitive elements. Scrums, lineouts, goal kicking, drop goals, mauls, pick and go, punting, box kicking, running rugby, 7-2 bench splits. You can build a successful team in so many different ways and focusing on strengths and avoiding your weaknesses as much as you can. Having more options to restart play when the opposing team either infringes or make a technical error is what makes the game so interesting in my mind.
I'm Irish but I love Rassie. He clearly knows how to strategise and play to his strengths. I don't want the game to devolve and become more simple in this sense. I like the complexities and different way people approach a game. League is boring, in my opinion.
EXACTLY! One yteam has success one way and then the game evolves in response. I LOVE that aspect. South Africa changed so much 2019 to 2023 as well...that's WHY they won again.
@@EggchasersRugby Too right. One thing I'd be interested in your (and others) opinions on.
I think the only real law that was CRYING out to be binned (aside from croc rolling) is the attack and momentum-killing 'goalline dropout' reward to the defensive team for holding the ball up when an attacking team crosses the try line. I never understood that change originally. Looking at that certainly makes more sense than most of these changes in my mind.
League is like basket ball. Great athletes and display of athleticism but boring to watch.
Is there really that much variety though? International rugby is basically some form of rush defence, lots of kicking from both sides, attempts to gain penalties from a breakdown and then kicks to the line & maul drives. The only major deviation from that pattern over the last 8 or so years has been the creative strike plays various teams and coaches have developed where instead of being a first phase strike it develops over several phases. But the majority of strategy has devolved to most teams playing pretty much the same way - its a far cry from what things were like in the 90s.
@@JimmyKipa far cry from the 90s? when defences were pretty much non existent, over 50 lineouts and over 100 kicks per game (most were aimless or to touch) was a regular occurrence, scrums were dangerous, general play was messy and unstructured, where ball in play was significantly lower and “skillful” attacking play was mostly passing through the hands quickly enough to get around a non-existent defensive structure or giving it to a quick bloke who can run a bit faster around his opposite number? Those 90s?
Do yourself a favour, go and actually watch the FULL games from the 90s (not just the flashy highlights). It really wasn’t as “amazing” as many people think it was.
I am an old man of 73, and played my rugby in the Royal Navy all over the world, I was of slight build but I agree, the scrum IS rugby , the ball should be fed straight and contested, Love your channel
i watched a Top14 France game on 30 March 2024 and saw how a scrumhalf nearly put the ball in under the eight-man's feet, whats use of a scrum then,
Crooked in [“very crooked”] seems to be ok now….?
Scrummaging is at the heart of what makes rugby union, rugby union. Why not just convert to league if you don’t value the scrum?
100%
More rugby, better players and why not ???
@@johnnypickles5256 Ahh yes, seeing 1 player try to break the other team's line by himself is very interesting. What a team sport.
The problem is scrums are hit and miss these days and have been for a very long time
Scrums have been hit or miss for a long time
Removal of the scrum option for a free kick leads to situations where a team is rewarded for infringing (because it means they don't have to face another scrum that they may not have enjoyed facing). Obviously that's stupid.
Tim, we need more commentators like u in Rugby Union! The appreciation for scrums isn't taught to fans, it's so fundamental to the game. Rugby Union is Rugby Union. Why are we so ashamed of physicality, the collisions, the Scrums. No other sports tinkers so much with its rules as Rugby Union because we say it should be more like League.
Thats why League is the better spectator sport! Its faster, fewer breaks in play, very few kicks, only at the 6 th tackle. And scrums don't take 20 minutes to sort out possession. Crouch, hold, bind, set, kiss! WTF!!!!!
@@ianhaynes3127Actually rugby league stops at every tackle. Strictly speaking when the ref calls tackle, the game is stopped and the ball carrier has to restart the game with a "play the ball".
This is the best thing that could possibly happen to South Africa. I'm not kidding. The Boks are at their best when their backs are up against the wall and nothing puts their backs up against the wall quicker than a World Rugby initiative that disproportionately effects them. Rassie couldn't have drafted a better script for his team talks. His team will work on a series of on-field strategies to adapt the SA game and come 2027 the Boks will be a much changed side from the 2023 vintage. Thanks, Warren. You've outdone yourself again.
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Yes but we now need to get rid of these totally unqualified administrators ruining OUR sport. It’s not their sport.
Administrators know nothing about the game one of the SA representatives is a woman for God’s sake.
@@Wolf-hh4rvI knew an ex springbok who actually chased one of the most famous anc protea types out of the vip box at Newlands for insulting some female bystanders .. 😊 these days though, good luck getting rid of the dead wood.
Nothing stopping SA fielding 8 loose forwards if they're not going to allow scrum resets.
Well said.
in regards to the scrum, why is the ball never put in straight?
That's the worst thing with scrums,all the rest is just people gurning because they want rid of scrums.Yes,resets are annoying but get over it,it's not rugby league.
It used to be
Totally. I think the ball should left dead centre on the ground, and, inverse to how the ref shouts "use it" at rucks, neither hooker should be allowed to compete until the ref is satisfied that it's sturdy. The argument that there is then no advantage for the team who wins the scrum is moot, because the only way currently is if your front 5 are SA and are so overwhelming it becomes a penalty, and there'd be shenanigans if they did have it passed into the middle regardless.
It was kinda ignored at the same time as scrummies and 8ths were allowed to reach into a scrum to pull the ball out.
Both benefit the weaker team.
There has been plenty of effort put into depowering the scrum (and maul).
If they put the ball in straight, the scrum will be more contested which would be better too.
Absolutely agree with you on the first rule re. Scrums. A team should be able to call a scrum whenever they want to wherever they want to. If teams complain then get better at scrumming bro! Once ref marks the scrum both sets of props should be at the mark in 10 seconds and then the ref can call a 15 second count for his next call of bind. If any team’s not ready then a free kick.
Your last remark defies it all...teams who do not want to scrum will on purpose give away a free kick.
Sorry to hear about you being burgled, it's a very shitty feeling for your whole family.
Hi Tim couldn’t agree more about speeding up time around the scrum set. However as an ex-prop its is necessary to clear the mud and grass from your studs as otherwise you reduce your grip and this can lead to collapses. Love your content keep up the great work!
Stop the clock for 15 seconds at start of scum when the time is up the teams must be ready straight away..
Sorry to hear about the scrotes burgling you and I hope they find them! Love the content and agree that the laws are designed to disrupt SA.
Thanks. A major ball-ache but the channel is back again! Appreciate you watching.
@@GrantKanaarthat’s hardly a surprise.
@@GrantKanaarI’m sure you can focus purely on athleticism when you don’t also need to be durable
Players, especially props, spend their entire lives honing their skill and techniques in scrummaging. Rule changes like this makes obselete decades of strength training and thousands of hours of scrum machine practice and thus will destroy many honed careers.
They'll be replaced by smaller lighter players. Of course that will make attacking harder because the field's more crowded, but that can be solved by getting rid of two players.
If they want to disallow an attacking team taking another scrum because the defending team commited an offense at the scrum and gave away a free kick, then they need to change that free kick to a full penalty. Otherwise teams that play teams like the Spingboks will delliberatelly give away a free kick at a scrum so that they dont have to scrum against the Boks.
Also the changes that brought in "crouch, touch, pause, engage" has created more problems. They need to go back to the "crouch, set, engage" method. Players know to grab onto their opposition when they are getting set. Scrums are inherently unstable untill you get that hit from the other side to settle it. Fewer pauses in getting the scrum ready will mean fewer unbalanced hits and players going to ground.
Why'd they ever institute "pause" anyway? If the opposing packs are set in the appropriate places, there should be no excess momentum going into the meeting of the front rows, so the pause is superfluous at best.
PK is the answer. Make it hurt the offending team and you’ll soon see it being coached properly.
@@goodmaro Just change "pause" to "set" and you have your answer.
The ammount of effort and technique forwards put into set piece lineouts and scrummaging is enormous.. the scrum is a brilliant display of brute strength like 2 bulls locking horns seeking dominance through raw power.. it's gladitorial that rugby union fans love ..
Hi Tim no matter what they throw at us as South Africans on the rule changing in Rugby. I can promise you that when the next World Cup comes, we will still be the champions three four five or even six times in a row. You guys wanna know why ? We got Rassie and he is by far a Rugby genius guys do yourself a favour go watch chasing the sun and chasing the sun 2 and you will understand why i say what i say. Even if they wanna hurt us by changing the rules we will find a way to use it at our advantage and make it work for us. Go Bokke champions for life. thanks Tim for a great channel.
I suspect that as professional athletes, rugby players will not want to accept water bottles from people outside of their teams. There are risks of supplement contamination, transmission of viruses, sabotage and players can't specify their preferred isotonic drinks etc.
Why not just ban Neil Jenkins? Most other water carriers bring water/instructions onto the pitch and manage not to abuse the referee!
As professional athletes, they should be able to play 40 minutes of rugby without needing water.
@@David-ud9ju really???? You go and tell them!!! Even tell that to a cricketer on the boundary after he has bowled his over. Really dumb comment. Rather just go to your dunce corner
@@David-ud9juNo. As professional athletes they know it's essential to keep their hydration at optimum levels. Don't be a numpty, go and study some human biology and sports science.
With water and neutral water carriers provided by the sport's organising body, I don't see why contamination would be a significant risk. And the players can have their special isotonics etc. at the breaks - water should be adequate for hydration during play.
@@BenDRobinson there is no such thing as "Neutral Water Carriers". Whether we like it or not be all have our individual biases and one such bias could get a player a 4 years suspension. This cannot work.
Very good Tim , thanks for doing a video on these new rules 👏🏻 sorry to hear about the burglary.
I played loosehead. The aggression and power you get to exert, and sometimes have to face, is exciting. I also agree that the collisions are a major part of why I played rugby.
If you dont line scrums watch rugby league rather than union. rugby is a contact sport we all know the risk before stepping on the field play. I have broken bones, torn muscles and my fair share of concussion while playing however if going back i would do it all again. I love this sport its by far my favorite.
Universally agreed the SA/France and SA/Ireland were the best games at the World Cup. One apparently best ever game…..the scrums, the legendary Willemse fists … part of the theatre. The NZ/italy and NZ/Argentina semi blow outs were totally forgettable. And Foster says the semi was a “advert” for the game
WR shooting themselves in the foot here. Games in a great place
…one of your most significant videos éver Tim…THANK YOU
The focus on scrums and ‘rugby for all shapes and sizes’ being at the core of it…
This world rugby move on scrums is a witch hunt‼️
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Scrums are essential and a massive part of the game.
One of the things about rugby is, it’s a game for all, big and small.
Doing away with scrums will be a sad day.
Unfortunately for Wales, they are saddled with Warren Gatland, who inmo doesn’t inspire, harbours grudges and has pent up, dam busting negative energy, which is contagious.
I have said since the Lions tour to SA when he was trying to play mind games where he lost. He is a bitter and twisted old grumpy man and he needs to just go away
Are you thick? Rugby is not for all, big and small Dr Seuss. That's football. Rugby has 95% of pro players over 6ft tall and less than 1% under 5'9"
@@dxfifa...oh. I didn't realize only pro-players play rugby! I went to a rugby school with 13 open sides. Brother...big and small.
Its not the scrum thats the problem, its the biased refs + the way they interpretate to favour the particular team
Scrums are great and an important part of rugby, but they should be used to restart the game. Why should a team with a weaker scrum be in a position that every scrum could result in a penalty against them, even if it was their put in? That's why England lost to SA. A penalty should be awarded for an offence, not simply because you're stronger.
IMO, the scrum should be over once it has moved 3 metres and the ref should call use it. The same applies to the fiasco of the rolling maul, where 7 men basically shepherd the ball carrier - let it go 3 metres then it's over. Otherwise, allow the defenders to pull the maul down.
I would also like to see the rule regarding putting the ball in straight applied as it is in lineouts. Why are we so strict on one but not the other?
Always enjoy your channel & comment! I fully agree with you regarding the scrums. I cannot help but wonder what influence senior coaches & pundits have with world rugby...names like NZ's JK & Gatland
Leave the scrums alone!
Agree.
oh no sorry to hear about your burglary - hope nothing irreplaceable was taken or destroyed. Excited to know you have a new venture! Thanks again for another cool vid - very much agree with you about the new / proposed law changes.
100% agree regarding scrums. It is one of the special elements of the sport which combines both the technical and power elements of the game. I do wish we could get birds-eye view shots of the scrum on the coverage though.
Completely agree with the scrum law change - I played tight head prop and winning a scrum penalty was better than scoring a try (probs cos they rarely happened...). Add a stop clock to scrum setups if need be to speed that up but stopping a pack who know they're dominant the chance to either gain territory through the scrum and subsequent set piece move or win a penalty is unfair
A real mixed bag.
The scrums were some of the most memorable and iconic moments of the last WC and it wasn't just when South Africa played.
Might as well kiss and make up with Rugby League and unify.
I will also add that various big law changes since the 90s have disadvantaged South Africa.
Thanks for an amazing channel Tim. I think that's a balanced prognosis of the issue. I do think largely the law changes are positive, I think there are better ways to manage the scum. You didn't mention the analysis of subs. Between Matt Walsh, John Kerwin and Warren Gatlin they've been very effective at swaying world rugby's opinion. The game is great because of the contrasting styles you can use to win. They are sanitising the game this will backfire.
Yes I agree they are poisoning the game just for the sake of snying Rassie and then secondly to do the Boks in because of their own weaknesses. By the way (sarcastically) who is the dumb fool matt williams who is also calling for this
Whenever the springboks are number one all the laws must change for others to catch up!
I agree but they also did change breakdown and offside laws because of McCaw and abs
Actually they pretty much wiped out mauls when the All Blacks were dominating the game, so welcome to the club.
Yes and that’s only fair…..😂
@@skibbitybopmdada no it was because Heinrich broussow was dominating McCaw in 2009
@wilfredsmith183 and then he disappeared into mediocrity
Same shit different day... Imagine this happening in another sport? We had some of the best games in the RWC that we have ever seen, why on earth change things ???
I THOUROUGHLY agree with the all shapes and sizes argument. I would add « skills ». We need to protect and defend all aspects of the game : the kicking, scrummaging, running, etc. because they represent this diversity.
I love games having this diversity, including diversity of ways to win. For offence, it means many ways to success, but importantly it also means that for defence you need to cover all those different forms of attack that you might come up against, and as a team you need to have the depth and diversity in your squad to pick the right players for whatever you come up against. All of which makes it more interesting! And yes union has a wonderful diversity of skills compared to league... as someone from a more kicking-oriented game (Australian Rules) I like that union has much more reward for kicking skills.
Agree with every point you made; and there’s probably a hint of getting at SA in the scrum one
Thank you for your experience and explanation of the rules. Totally agree with scrum rule. Rugby offers players of all sizes opportunity to enjoy they game. With this rule change you will start seeing teams basically picking 15 wing built players. Running rugby is great to see but do you really want to watch 15 guys play 7s style rugby.
this we do not need
Hey teacher leave the scrums alone.Lol
I’m worried World Rugby are letting themselves be influenced by wider societal issues. Society in general is moving away physicality and confrontation. It seems they are trying to distance the game from what is seen as ‘toxic masculinity’ and the traits that go with it in a bid to appeal to those individuals. Let’s not forget that the jeopardy and potential consequences of devastating collisions make the footwork, deftness and ability of players like Chelsin Kolbe to avoid the hit is just as exciting, impressive and inspiring as the hit itself.
It sure seems like it, especially with this mixed bag of laws being trialed yet doomed to fail IMO instead especially on the scrum being affected as an option.
WR has been sweet fakol these days with laws coming out of their arses like farts these days.
I'd say you are right that World Rugby are letting themselves be influenced by wider societal issues. So they should. Sport is part of society. It serves social functions, and can also have negative social consequences. Historically, a lot of the more violent sports were basically poor people harming each other for the entertainment of rich people, and that's a legacy worth moving away from. From that point of view, it makes sense that player welfare is getting increased focus. And I think it's a good thing that most contact sports are trying to put measures in place that will mean less former players suffering life-long after effects such as CTE or spinal injuries. BUT, I think there still has to be an option for people who wish to knowingly take the risks to play contact sports. It would seem a bit contradictory if any contact sports ended up ruining its spectacle in an effort to remove any chance of concussion, while society still allows boxing and other combat sports where people are literally trying to concuss each other.
Well said Tim. Agree with all of your points.
I am a bit more dubious of the use it once change. It will just kill good sustained mauls unless the refs are quite lenient on the concept of a stopped maul.
In theory I can conceive of there being a type of free kick that couldn't be converted to a scrum, but certainly NOT for scrum related offences.
Agree, scrum is one of the fundamental parts of union.
Great job again Tim, I agree wholeheartedly - take kicks and scrums and impacts out of the game and what have you got left? I can't imaging it but I'm sure it will be one-dimensional and relatively dull.
Great video, Tim! Love the candid analysis of the rules. My view is a little different. I love scrums too... was a forward and it is part of what makes rugby so unique as a contact sport for all sorts of body types. However, I wouldn't call it 'dead' time, either... but a free kick takes 10 seconds for a game to restart, and a scrum 2 minutes! So, with these rule changes we'll continue to see a scrum when a ball is knocked on, forward pass, crooked throw etc. but not if it's a free kick or penalty that should take 10 seconds to restart. I agree that scrums need to be hurried up too.
Excellent Tim. You’re the man. Mr Common Sence!
I totally agree. World rugby will not stop Rassie from innovating. I am sure he has anticipated the rule changes. This is precisely why Jaco Peyper has been appointed as the rules coach.
The chances of the marginal law change satisfying any critic have to be near zero. Why not run the game for the people that like it, not the hypothetical would-be convert currently rejecting rugby because of the rules. The statement from Bill Beaumont was ridiculous in implying rule changes will bring in more fans.
Hi Tim, I am Damian from Wales. Really enjoy your podcasts mate. I agree with you that Scrums need to stay. Scrums are a crucial part of Rugby union in terms of the history of the game and where it re-sets play, calms things down for a re-set psychologically and does welcome all shapes and sizes to the game. If we no longer have scrums, it will look a lot more like rugby league. I also think that Scrums need to go back to where the ball is fed down the middle of the scrum by the scrum half so that the hookers and 8 men v 8 men can battle for the ball 50/50 chance. These days the ball is fed through the flankers feet and it makes it pointless compared to what scrums were originally designed for. Cheers and keep up the amazing podcasts. By the way I am sorry to hear about your recent robbery. I hope you didn’t lose too much and able to get those things replaced! Iechyd da! Damian
Future law changes, no teams with antelopes on their emblems.
The EFF would love this change though.
@@ThatGuy-sw2xe 🤣🤣🤣🤣 The EFF would have worse law changes. If it was up to them Rugby as a sport would be disbanded in SA.
There is no point or purpose in having a scrum if there is zero chance of a heel against the head. I cannot recall seeing a heel against the head in internati9onal Rugby in the professional era. In the amateur era the "tight head count" was a key statistic of the game and the opportunity,. two or three times in a game, to attack with "surprise" possession (and to defend against such an attack) was an important skill for a three quarter line. Rugby is a VERY physical game. The scrummage is the most physical (and therefore most dangerous) aspect of that very physical game, and front-row play is the most dangerous specialism of the most dangerous aspect of a very physical game. I wholeheartedly welcome the substitution rules having been adjusted to ensure that only those properly equipped to play in the 1 - 2 - 3 positions are allowed to do so, and I would welcome, at international level, further developments along those lines, perhaps with an additional three "front row specialist" substitutes allowed in order to make absolutely certain that correctly trained people occupy those positions in the vent of any possible combination of red or yellow cards, or injury. All that said, can we please restore the put-in requirements of the amateur era in order to give a distant-but-possible chance of a tight-head strike once or twice in the course of a game?
Totally agree with you on the scrum thing it’s a vital part of rugby.
Someone else said that when a caterpillar ruck is formed the scrum half is technically entering from the side to roll back the ball. Enforcing that they must enter from the back could reduce the usage of caterpillars
A few years ago in the Premiership a referee told the props that he would yellow card them both if the scrum collapsed for the third time and bring on new props to replace them. The scrums did not collapse after that. So many referees get the calls wrong and rather than reset will offer a full penalty not really knowing who's at fault. It does need sorting but I agree scrummaging needs to stay.
The scrum issue is easy, when a scrum is called you turn the clock off, when the ref shouts set the clock restarts
NO. Setting up the scrum is part of the game.
The scrum is Union's USP. Always seems world rugby changes the laws if a team is very good at specific aspect of the game. Same with exeter and their latching around the try line.
Firstly really good channel... Secondly I agree with most of the opinions offered bar the lineout one. The lineout will now turn into "putting in the scrum" ... Needs to be straight whether contested or not ...
The most annoying thing in rugby is the ref shouting "use it" I hate it. The ruck is an arm wrestle. If you have control at the back why should you use it? The opposition should commit more player and come and get it or shut up. That would open up more space for attacking rugby... My opinion is the ref can shout "available" and then no one can join the caterpillar.
If you want to speed up the game allow the team that scored to take a quick kick off if they wish.
I absolutely agree. World rugby does not want a third World Cup win in a row for South Africa.
Ps. Chasing The Sun 2 episode 1 aired last night. Amazing
They want hurt South Africa.
Let them come.
S/A are to rugby what China is to politicians. Anything to stop them 😢
Referee already has the option to stop kickers standing around running down the shit clock. Law 7.9d would allow the referee to call it as time wasting. I've been at games this year where the kicker has stood talking to the ref rather than setting up the kick - just tell them to get on with it
We had an interesting one in Australian Rules last year. Players kicking for goal are allowed 30 seconds to take their kick, or so we all understood the rule. But apparently the umpire does have the discretion to call "play on" before that 30 seconds is up if they think the player is deliberately time wasting. I don't think anyone realised this until an umpire did it one day, and a player suddenly had tacklers rushing at him. In a way it was a bit unfortunate, because now players who want to systematically run down that 30 seconds still can, but we will have the farce of them acting out little movements that they can pretend are part of their kicking routine. On the other hand, none of us want to see what happens in US football, where systematic running down of the clock is such a big part of the game, and an utterly dismal thing to watch.
With reference to the scrum. In the last 20 or 15mins of a game, if a scrum is called the clock stops and restarts when the scrum is set.
I appreciate you talking about the tackle height changes. Here in scotland, it has ultimately changed a lot about the game. The inability to target the ball in a tackle massively changes the offload game. Over the last year, it's something we have all had to learn to adapt to. Much less ripping of the ball in a tackle, much fewer mauls in open play. Watching the six nations feels like watching a different game.
Also, i do not want a stop clock on scrums. If we're changing the game so much for safety to the point where lots of good competitive technique is now illegal, i have no idea how they can claim that speeding up the setting of a scrum, especially a repeat after it already slipped, is good for safety. By all means, stop the clock for 30 seconds to let everyone clean their boots, and get rebound. But several refs have really pushed us to get bound quicker, and im like, this is eight people who need to get bound in a very specific secure way, hold back on the push and then start it at a certain time. If any of that is rushed through, that can be one persons spine taking the shove of the whole opposition in a poor posution. As a hooker, please give me time to get bound, and get my second rows in before shouting crouch.
Height changes? Do they no longer allow tackling up to the shoulders?
@@goodmaro nope, in scotland at amateur level, it has to be below the sternum. Usually that means below the ball. You can't target the ball in a tackle if you are the first tackler. A second person is allowed to target the ball during a tackle but they mustn't share headspace with the attacker. It obviously really changes the kinds of defence you can use on the try line. And it has really encouraged more offloading.
Really good point about scrum safety. The scrum is a beautiful feature of the game which would be great to preserve, but it is certainly dangerous and rushing the preparation seems like a bad idea! Avoiding scrum collapses does seem to be an enormous challenge. I can't see how the refs can work out who is at fault. No easy solutions there.
The problem with scrums is there are too many rules. If it gets twisted, so what, a team in control will make it an advantage. In the good old days it was not penalised because the team with the ball ends up with all their forwards behind the ball with the opposition forwards all off side behind them. If another team rolls across the top of their opposition it doesn’t need a penalty that is a huge advantage in itself. If a prop puts their arm on the ground so what you have a more stable scrum. If an opposition prop pops up smash him backwards it’s a huge advantage. We are awarding penalties which are an overwhelming advantage for dominance which is its own advantage. We award penalties for scrum dominance which to me is like awarding a penalty to a winger who burns their opposition on the outside with speed.
Bring on more scrum mayhem, now that will really make the game interesting.
Why not just give the Ref the power to stop the clock at the scrum if teams are taking forever to form up or if it needs a reset. This would allow time to used for play rather than set-ups. If the scrum is neutered then it will go the way of League and just be a quick method of restarting with no jeopardy. But please, please, please get No.9s to feed the ball straight :)
100%!
I have always thought that the clock should stop when a scrum is awarded and only re-start when the ball has been put in straight!
@@guypenrose5477and line outs
Love your opinion on almost all of the proposed changes. Would love to see a ref telling the players to do something and then they actually listen. Use it means “use it”! Another thing which bothers me is if the kicker going for touch indicates the “correct” spot to which the ref agrees to and then when the ref looks away the kicker oversteps the mark by almost 3-4 metres!!!
Always excited for the first scrum!
If you want to speed up scrums take the set up time off the clock
Only start the clock once the ref says “set” in the sequence just before ball is put in.
When play stops for a knock on stop the clock, turn it back on when ref says set.
Rassie is prob just seeing it as another puzzle to solve.
Agree totally with you Tim about scrums. First as a Bok fan to me it is totally aimed at the Springboks by largely the weak Northern Hemisphere teams and Australia. Also as an exprop ( years ago I admit) I probably wouldn't have had the same opportunities. Also people who haven't played as prop don't appreciate the SKILL and effort in gaining the upper handover your opposite number.
I note you touched on the issue of feeding the ball straight into scrums. I was shocked to watch some rugby recently and see the feeds going straight to the second row just as you mentioned. It appeared there was no rule about feeding it in straight at all. (And that was the start of the end of scrums in rugby league. Once it was automatic possession to the team with the feed, the whole thing became pointless and now rugby league scrums don't even engage and push. I've seen where the second row don't even get around to bending over!) I think line-outs are a brilliant part of rugby because they strike the right balance of providing a genuine contest while still favouring the team with the throw, and ideally scrums should strike that balance too. So here was an idea I came up with for scrums... (i) absolutely enforce the feed going in straight, but (ii) the players in the ruck are not allowed play the ball until it has either bounced and hit the ground a second time, or it has become clear that it is not bouncing (i.e. it has broken into a roll or stopped altogether). The idea is that it should be possible to put the right skew on the ball to have it bounce towards your players, hence providing an advantage, but that this advantage is nowhere near as generous as the current lassitude allowing the feed to go straight to your own team. One drawback I see is that in muddy conditions there would be little or no bounce, negating the advantage. But especially at higher levels of sport, grounds are maintained so well now that mudbath games are not so common.
Great video. I would be interested to know your view on reducing the time it takes to put the ball into the scrum. Once the ref calls set, the team putting the ball in waits in the hope they get a penalty but also the ref may blow up as the scrum spins, collapses etc. the latter wastes time. A new rule should be the player has two secs to put the ball in from when the referee calls set and the ball must be put in straight, drives me mad it goes in on the 45. If the ball does not go in on time the opposing team get the ball.
see my longer comment for suggestion re feed - feed straight but no rucking the ball until its second bounce
I must say this and I remember Jake White when he was coaching the Springboks he took a leaf out of American Football much the same as Rassie did when he used to sit on the roof of the stadium in Bloomfontein while coaching the Cheetahs. He started getting aerial footage of the game as you could see it more strategically than by looking at it side on. I think it was genius. I wouldn't go so far to say that we need all the stops and starts that American sports have, but the way rugby is developing strategically. I think we could learn a few things from them that would inevitably enhance the game. Instead of it just being a pick up and run bash, go score a try sevens style. It becomes more interesting because there is so much more going on which Rassie is so good at. Hence the reason for all the water carriers. Even as a South African I disagree with this but I feel there should be some sort of implementation whereby information can be given to teams maybe every 20 minutes like they have now done in cricket where they have a strategic timeout. It can only develop the game more and more. Hence the reason why teams who are not picking up on those trends are bitching and moaning and losing 🤣. While South Africa are being innovative.
Interesting point about getting overhead view. I find it interesting to see both NFL and soccer still seem to have the coaches (or "managers" in soccer) at ground level. In Australian football, for a long time now most coaches (at pro level) have operated from a box up in the grandstand with a more aerial view of the ground, relaying instructions via a phone link to assistants at ground level. Some coaches like to go back to being at ground level sometimes, to get more direct personal interaction with players (we have players come on and off the interchange bench, rather than the more limited substitute system in soccer), but even then they will have assistant coaches up in the box getting the overhead view.
Agree entirely with your view on scrums. Scrums are and always should be a fundamental part of the game. As you quite rightly point out, the current game offers all physical sizes and shapes an opportunity to play. The removal or weakening of the scrum will inevitably lead to a rugby league style scrum with 15 players of similar size with no room for those who don’t the standard sizes.
I do think the thinking behind calling a mark from restarts may encourage competition. Fly Halves will tend towards shorter kicks with longer hang times allowing more competition for the ball by the side kicking off.
As the caterpillar forms, as soon as the 9 touches the ball, it’s out! Simple.
Wish instead of targeting SA and intentionally trying to weaken them world rugby would enforce the laws we already have. For example why are scrummies allowed to basically put the ball in under the flankers legs instead of in the middle so it's contestable
100% agree. It's infuriating
Watching the World Cup made me a Rugby fan. My son plays now. I've met cool people from all over the world at his matches. I am a blue collar guy from the US and have made multiple people fans who grew up playing and watching American Football. What is beautiful about the game to guys like us is the Scrum. The big hits. The maul. The no pads. It takes us back to an old school football vibe. I hope they don't ruin Rugby like they did football.
A shot clock for scrums especially would be bizarre - there are 16 players that need to get safely set up and having a time pressure on that will lead to poor quality and unsafe scrummaging
So I'm sitting in the stands having paid a weeks wages to watch the game and I get scrum reset, scrum reset scrum penalty. 15mins of ball in play time gone, I rest my case.
The ABs dominate rugby for a century, so Bill Beaumont and co at IRB change the rules to slow the game down, which suits the Northern Hemisphere and its ponderous referees. The game becomes a boring kickfest, with 20min video referee meetings, where the players spend more time standing around than playing. The day fitness and speed were negated, was the day rugby lost its core values....
Never heard a fan complain about time on scrum set-ups. These people are changing the game to get soccer fans to watch the game. Crazy. Next step is contact free rugby., the safety shit is out of control
Except that never happened. Ball in play time has been the same on average for thirty years. Actually a slight increase over time. ABs lost because they weren’t the best team anymore not because of maw changes
@@markwairepo2871not a century boks up until 98 had a positive record vs nz
Totally agree with all of your comments. Any attempt to make core parts of the game safer, quicker, better should be applauded but time wasting is surely the dominion of the referee. If he doesn’t have the power to enforce, give it to him.
As I know Rassie, he will have a plan to use it to our advantage 🙌
100% agree with your point at 3:00 mate. Would love to see WR limit how frequently a medic or water runner can come onto the field, or potentially even make it up to the referee to invite them on. When you rewatch a completed game you find yourself constantly skipping ahead 2-3 minutes every time a scrum is called because it takes so ling to set the thing.
Interesting that these new laws that negatively affect the Springboks are put in place before Ireland visits SA. The NH just can’t handle being locked out at WC time..We will have to see how Rassie bamboozles opposition and World Rugby by how he interprets these laws to benefit the Boks anyway…
To be honest, I see the hand of NZ a lot more in these law suggestions than Ireland. Ireland have a good forward pack, good set piece and them, us (Boks) and France have all dominated New Zealand (and others) with our forwards. You only have to look at a full game of Super Rugby to see that forwards are quick and skilful with ball in hand, but lack the grunt to get dirty in the trenches.
This ha NZ and Aus written all over it
@@jacquie212 u could just have point mate…with the state of Oz rugby they will need all the help they can get. So nice to see Oz rugby dying..
Ah yeah Ireland have world rugby policy completely locked down and everyone in the NH supports Ireland...
Believe it or not the boks are the second team of a lot of irish including myself. We love the rivalry developing between us. The laws targeted at the boks are just sour grapes in world rugby. Love a good scrum.
I'd like a different set of changes around the free kick law, including the mark behind the 22. Allow a free kick to be kicked directly into touch for a lineout (oh and keep the scrum option). Basically making it like an indirect penalty kick in soccer. Additionally, more infractions should be changed to free kick infractions, such as offensive ruck infringements (in the side, diving over, not releasing the ball), as well as most scrum infringements (I find it frustrating that a scrum penalty on a technicality can result in 3 points and swing a game). Categories that should stay as full arm penalties are foul play, offside infringements (including at set piece), and defensive ruck infringements (not rolling away, in the side, playing the ball on the ground, etc). Basically if more offensive infringements are free kicks instead of penalties, then attacking rugby carries more of an incentive and teams will be less incline to kick the ball away. Some kicking is great, but the caterpillar rucks and endless kick tennis are killing the game. Sorry for the rant.
Really sorry to hear you got burgled! That’s awful! Hope you and the family are alright.
Agree with your comments 100%. Sorry about your house getting robbed, awful stuff. I love rugby and love the Ireland team and England too. I live in Dublin and watch as much rugby as I can because it is such a great game and though I never played this wonderful game, I truly adore it. Although I have been following the Ireland team and indeed Leinster for years and years I do not know all the rules. Each season a new one comes to the fore and shocks me and I go jees, I never knew that. I love your vids. One thing I'd love on your vids is that when you talking about a rule change or a position or whatever, it would be great if you could show it in a rugby match itself, highlighting the area or issue you are talking about. I know you do this sometimes but not always and then I am not quite sure what you are talking about. Anyhow, thanks for all your vids, I love them.
I agree with your assessment on all of the rule changes (perhaps a little bit stronger in my opinion against the maul rule change).
With regards to the scrum, I agree that the speed can be increased and this can be enforced, but I think a free kick should always be down gradable to a scrum.
But ... let us say that I can accept not allowing a free kick to be downgraded to a scrum, then I expect one or both of these changes to scrum infringements is also required:
1. If the team with an attacking scrum is awarded a free kick in the scrum they may choose to redo the scrum. This will ensure that the other team cannot deliberately sabotage their scrum with cynical play, and also how much time will be lost since the forwards from both teams are already in position.
2. Whenever the attacking team from a scrum is awarded a free kick, it should be automatically upgraded to a penalty. This ensures that the infringement cannot benefit the infringing team.
As a side note, scrumming for a penalty aside, scrums bind 8 (or arguably 9) of the 15 players from each team into the scrum and creates space for attacking options. Reducing the number of scrums reducing these attacking options.
Secondly realistically how often do teams really convert a free kick to a scrum anyway, except when they were awarded the free kick from the scrum.
Yes, get rid of scrums and line-outs as well and start something similar to touch rugby in order to cut out injuries.
I'm a little biased, as a South African, but when I saw that law suggestion recently on Rugby 365, I had to laugh. World Rugby are without question attempting to negate the Boks' advantage. But I have faith in Rassie. Whatever laws they make, he'll make adaptations to the team approach. You don't win 4 RWC titles (has anyone mentioned that's more than NZ?) by being one dimensional and unadaptable.
Like what you have to say about the changes. I agree they do not need to make some of them and it is defiantly designed to benefit the home unions.
😮 I think Warren Gatlin should go and coach sevens. He screwed up Wales. When he went back to New Zealand, he destroyed the Chiefs. Let him have a go seventh. once he screwed that up. They’re hiring at McDonald’s. That means it’s got something to fall back on. I quite agree with you. They could speed up scrum setting line outs and caterpillar screams. Removing the scum from rugby. It’s an integral part of the game. Things will change South Africa word always have the two best front rows in the world. New Zealand rugby have admitted that the game is changing. The European style of rugby, and France play as a place in the future.
Scrums are the only part of the game where you can be penalised for not being as strong, or as technically sound as your opponent.
Penalties for deliberately spoiling a scrum are fine, but sometimes your opposite number gets the better of you.
You don't get penalised for missing a tackle, or being bounced in a tackle, so why do teams get penalised for getting pushed backwards?
The victory should be manshaming your opponent and making them look weak.
I'd rather see penalties for time wasting at scrum time.
Someone else has pointed out that once you're beaten in a scrum and being pushed back, it can become quite dangerous. (I'm taking other people's word for it - never done it myself.) So perhaps safety-wise it is better to stop the play and give the penalty rather than allow the natural advantage of the beaten player getting bulldozed.
From the point at which a scrum or lineout is called we need a timer. If both a slow the penalty goes to the attacking team otherwise the delaying team gets penalised.
We also need to enforce the ball down the middle in scrums, it would make them even more interesting.
Burglers should be made to watch rugby league 24hrs in room 101 for their entire sentence
At least they’d get double ball in play time. No?
My experience in the South of Spain (many years ago) where you can be playing in 30c+ they throw bottles on to the pitch every little break in the game so the player can get a quick sip and the player throws the bottle back off the pitch. No water carrier goes on the pitch unless a long stop (injury, try and taking the conversion) in play and the ref allows a water carrier to come on.
I love the scrum.
I love the line out.
I Iove the rolling maul.
If you want to change it up a little. Make the penalty kick a drop kick.
You might want to watch massive collisions but it can't be ignored that professional players are getting bigger and faster every year to the scale where those big collisions are approaching car crash levels of energy. It won't be so glorious in 40-50 years time when those brave boys are dribbling and trembling in the old peoples home because their brains got bounced around too many times
New to the channel and very good video thanks. My biggest beef (and I find this completely contradictory to the attempt to make rugby safer) is the number of substitutes allowed such that 20+ stone fwds know they are only having to play 40 minutes. The idea you can have a completely new scrum brought on I find laughable. Obviously subs for injuries and the odd tactical change, but not many.
It's nice to know that South Africa has the power to change the laws of rugby. 🤣. All that's going to happen is our genius Rassie make a point of some law that he doesn't like, get the Bokke to be good at it, World rugby will have no choice but to change it and he'll be laughing all the way to the next world cut victory. 🤣🤣🤣🤣. I bet you he could even make world rugby change the rule for forward passes so that they are legal 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. It's good to know South Africa has the power to change the shape of the game.
as a South African the removal of the scrum is pretty bad for South Africa, but also just wanted to say i have been loving your videos alot thank you
If they want to reduce dead time around Scrums, the first one to drop his bind gets penalised. Once heard a suggestion that a Props jersey should have a handle on the side to bind to. Combine the two and you'll speed those scrums right up.
I was watching a early 2000s game and the scrums were so quick i thought the team took the tap. 😂😂😂
Yeah, how many rules changes have we had because of the Springboks over the last decade or two? Here in the South we have a saying. What do you call a rugby league for teams that can't win the world cup? The six nations. The whole idea is reminiscent of our time. Everybody gets a trophy. I remember the lion's tour in SA some time ago. Halfway through the match the ref asked John Smith to tell his players to take it a bit easier. John smiled and told the ref that they're not playing ring a round the rosies.
The Maul rule can work but I think they will need to clarify and refine the definition of a stop. A lot of times teams will go back on the initial set, get the first stop called, and then power through. if they only get one stop they not going to use the maul at all.
I actually really like the extra protection for the attacking scrum half at the scrum. I think it enables the scrum to be an attacking set piece and opportunity to run a strike play. This is a way to reward a strong scrum without winning a penalty, because the stronger scrum can have a stable base to attack off, and disrupt the opponents attacking chance.
At the moment you could have a plan for an elaborate attack, but it all gets shut down by the scrum half.
I would love to see teams use a scrum on the 5-meter line as an option to score tries rather than just lineout mauls or endless pick and go phases. I might even go as far as to allow the attacking team an extra 5 meters before being offside at the scrum to put them at a further attacking advantage.
Sorry Tim to hear about the buglere. That's horrible hope ya all OK and thanks for great content. Awesome as always
Can tell you one thing, if the scrum laws are changed as proposed, alot of athletes (and prospective athletes) are going to lose their spot in Rugby. Don't know what the Rugby Union is thinking. They 100% don't have the interest of their players at heart.