Is E85 Good For Your motorcycle?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2021
- Two friends from Florida bring their FZ09 and a GSX-S 1000 to get tuned on E85. Which bike do you think will perform better?
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Hell yeah I’ve been waiting for a video I like the way that bike sounds
I got a power commander, K&N filter and a Brocks full exhaust. My bike make’s 109 hp at the wheel and will wheelie easy in 3rd. I found its true power is its ability to form new involuntary relationships with local police.
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My gsxr 600 makes 103.7hp at the wheel. I feel like that GSX-S should of made way more power...but idk.
@@Xfacehack the gsxs1000 uses a K5 engine. The gsxr 1000 motor from the 2005 generation
When you 09 was stock it’s base pull was 111hp. Why does yours seem so low with mods?
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Funny to hear Coffman exhaust mentioned. Gary Coffman was friends with my bro in law in the 70s when Gary was making 2 stroke dirt bike exhaust system in the warehouse across from the Westminster Mall in Cali. I was 14 yrs old. I rode a yz360 with a 401 flat track engine with a pipe Gary made. My whole family had Gary's handmade pipes back then. Bikes didn't come with chambered pipes back then.
Cool can't wait to see some track action.
I love how clean e85 burns, hate the inconsistency at the pump and the hygroscopic nature of ethynol. It's hard to justify on a naturally aspirated street bike. Turbo Drag bike with advanced ignition timing all day.
Agreed. It's not clear to me why these guys are stretching and e85 tuning street bikes, but money talks.
Need to buy VP C85 for more consistency. Not $2 a gallon though.
I'm a sucker for stretched bikes. I was looking at both these bikes and ordered the 2021 mt09. Hoping to see some more parts and mods come through soon.
I’ve been thinking about adding E85 for a couple of weeks now ✊🏾✊🏾
Awesome motorcycle's mt09 sounds amazing not a bigfan of the Kaufman exhaust but great gains would like to see those two at a track
Awesome bikes! 💯🔥💯🔥
I literally just seen the MT-09 bike in Osceola on back of a brown older F-150
I have a Coffman on my bike I would love too dyno too see what its making i feel like it puts more power out then the one my bike had running under the seat
I have a rear bike it's also a st fighter style it's a 2008 suzuki B-King GSX1340 R COMES WITH A SECOND GEN BUSA MOTOR STOCK FROM FACTORY.. AMAZING BIKE I NEED TO SEND HER TO YOU SOON CHRIS
Both of those bikes are sweet looking.
Ummm..... Two bikes that absolutely don't need a stretch! But I'm just a stretch hater so don't mind me lol 😅 as for e85 I could be wrong but even besides summer and winter Blend's I also thought the it could change from pump to pump. Meaning to many variables. I'd constantly be wondering if my bike is running as well as it can?
I am as well unless it's for drag racing
They live in Florida, give them a break. They only have the option of going straight so a stretch makes some sense 🤣
@@zacharybillow8550 Solid logic 🤣
Can't they use a flex fuel system?
Autos have a flex fuel sensor that detects the % of ethanol in the fuel.
How do you feel about the swing arm extensions instead of a full swing arm replacement if you plan on stretching max of 6inches
Smashed 👊
Waiting to see Chris get his hands on the 2021 MT09/SP
I have one, 2021 and would go to him is he was closer. I absolutely love this bike.
What’s up Chris I just bought a 09 gsxr 1000 the guy says the ecu is flashed but it burns very fast
Did you swap out to bigger injectors for the E85,,
What kind of swingarm goes on 2018 GSXs 1000
MT-09 all day. I owned one the first year they came out. Fun ride. The GSX1000 is a 'Meh' motorcycle. That straight pipe system is a bummer.
At WOT on e85 shouldn't the AFR be around 8.5 to 1?
He should experiment with replacing the unequal lenght intake runners short, medium and long with all short.
Short is more peak out put long more torque
Might make a little more power but it didnt add mph to my 1/4 mile when i put my zx14r on e85. Fun to try but MR12 works better
Very short race, go longer, n mr12 is better but WAY more expensive
E85 is 2.85 a gallon here in Indianapolis
I just got a Chevy 3500 454 I put some E85 in it. The power is different
Do you have an E85 ECU flash for an 05 busa?
I SEE THAT YOU USED AFR 13 AND ETHANOL IS BETTER ABOUT 9.8 AFR WHAT YOUR OPINION ACCORDING TO YOUR PRUEBAS
Absolutely!!! I've got a 2017 - MT-10 no engine mods. How much should I budget for an E-85 flash? Thanks in advance and great video.
You shouldn’t
@@dbtrackz33 🤣🤣🤣
Sorry for my lack of knowledge what is exactly needed to run full e85 on my 1000rr I drag race pretty heavy and have plenty x85 around I dont use pump gas I imagine this is something I can do myself after rebuilding a complete fuel setup on my track car or am I better off find a tuner I dont no who is credible in the bike world any help would be much appreciated thanks
Just for additional information they do sell cans of true 100% tested E85 year round that costs a little more per gallon as race fuel in cans and 55gal drums either online or through vp racing stores like Sunoco! I used to run it in my ecoboost f150 on my channel. It’s better than pump e85 trust me even summer blends in Mississippi are like only 65% which is ridiculous. Winter E50 100% of the time
Yes sir. We keep x85 and c85 in stock
@@TeamMooreMafia yea I was just letting the viewers know they didn’t have to order a secondary fuel controller you can get it year round is all lol but that is good to know when I come for a second tune. Hopefully you can do a 21 rsv4 about to sell the 21 zx6r after I race a few folks with your tune lol
So I can run it year round no issues on c85 or x
Most sport bike motors aren’t over 13:1 static compression .Mr12 which has a less octane rating than e85 but it’s also oxygenated like it makes better power on stock NA motors.the power with e85 is coming more so from the cool oxygenated charge not so much the higher octane because most of these stock NA motors can’t utilize it.now boosted motors or high compression 14:1 plus motors love e85.that higher octane plus cool charge helps prevent detonation and allows more ignition timing.But for a average rider the extra fuel and maintenance(fuel system) needed for E85 isn’t worth it on a stock motor.not including the risk of ring wash which will damage the engine if a novice doesn’t know anything about e85 or any alky.Your supposed to change the oil more often because of it...cold start problems etc it has a lot of cons...but a great fuel if you have experience!!
Def the GSXS..But im partial to Suzuki having owned 2 1k's and a busa.
Hello mate, need your help. I am from India. I am looking to buy preowned 2021 Gen 3 Hayabusa which is E10 compliant.
India is likely to have E20 fuel from 2025? Will E20 cause problems to the bike? Will I have to change fuel pump and injectors ? Please help.
A little upset the owner or pervious owner stretched the GSXS. That’s one of the best handling bikes on the market. Crazy fast for a naked bike too.
Maybe I missed it but I wanted to see horse power difference between 91 and e85
Dang so I could run e85 on my 2021 cbr600 I didn’t even know that lol
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I don't think I'll ever understand people buying the Coffman "exhaust". I honestly have more respect for people that run fake Chinese copies from AliExpress, or eBay.
Pipe is pipe
@@MarkGamingTV I wish pipe was pipe but 3" does not equal 6" but many love to lie about the facts😉
E85 is notoriously corrosive and destructive to fuel systems that aren't designed for it. Im curious to see how long some of the bikes components last.
Everything since pretty much all the gas was changed to 10% ethanol has to be E85 resistant now, that’s old age stuff bud...
I'd say it's more notorious for having inconsistent ethanol percentage and being hydroscopic than being corrosive. Gas is way more harsh than ethanol.
Adding timing on E85 is of key importance... The slower burn benefits earlier timing big time. Most of the gains come from this change.
You need to buy a ignition module for the power commander to change that on an MT09 so I'm sure it would have done a little bit better if the owner spent the extra money
Ethanol burns faster than gasoline. Often a reduction in timing will net power
Unless the newest generation mt is locked, flash tune lets you adjust timing
Only bad thing I've noticed on my gsxr since switching to e 85 has been the my gas light stays on so ... I guess I left it with a low tank And ended up letting the float oxidize to not registered 🙃👌 also noticed leaner air-fuel ratios in the past year thinking maybe injectors are clogged up a little bit or have a worn out pump 😑🤞wish me luck
Goodluck man that sounds cool but a lil bit of a curse lol.
Do you find it harder to start with that 85 on?
@@Jason.cbr1000rr yeah cold starts can be a pain
@@Jason.cbr1000rr my 07 600 doesn't have a starting enrichment so it's a bit much fuel for a cold start but 2nd try always fires over and dies out the after the 3rd start it can control itself 🙃👌
E85 is probably corroding your fuel system. Also E85 doesn't have as much energy as regular gasoline, so unless you have the right fuel mapping or possibly higher flow injectors to run E85 it will run lean.
@@steveboyle6891 it is tuned for E85 the problem is my '07 does not have a startup enrichment table that allows me to adjust the fuel enough for cold starter
Most of the power gains on e85 gains are from timing that I have seen
No, for street bikes. Yes, for cars/trucks / bikes with turbo/supercharged track only engines.
If you do e-85 skip the pump and get the barrel from a distributor.
That's why God invented ethanol content sensors and pc5s with auto fueling correction.
People talking shit that don't know anything about street racing, clearly. These bikes are purpose built to walk you from a dig. Point blank period. People sleep on these bikes but they make great torque. I'd put my money on one of these from a dig over any 600-750.
So many idiots commenting lol
@@86250r Literally. It's not Rossi channel. 😂
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I found 70% with my tester at my local E85 place. Wonder if the HP gains are worth the trouble and the injectors can spray enough fuel. Don't see the best AF ratio either for the E85.
Most of the time... no
I hear the alcohol keeps the CC clean though. And can dilute the oil.
09 all day!
Hey... I have a question about your new Busa. You had went down a few teeth on the rear sprocket to decrease torque, but would it better to go up a tooth on the front instead? Would that decrease the speed of the chain as well?
That would shorten then wheelbase. Going smaller on the back lengthened it.
@@TeamMooreMafia I thought you would say that, lol.
@@TeamMooreMafia didn't you say you were thinking about going down one more tooth on the rear?
You should try Air fuel @ 9.7 max lean 6.4 max rich.........12+ is way way to lean with E85.
Bated the fuck out of me. Got cha! Hahahaha
I'm new to modifying bikes, but I have tuned multiple vehicles, including my own, on e85. Shouldn't e85 give you way more? Do bikes not allow you to advance timing? We would typically see 10x the gains you are but it's not gonna happen unless you're advancing the timing with it.
i thought e85 takes less timing bc it ignites faste
@@trey56tre2 Ethanol allows you to advance the timing (start the ignition later in the compression cycle) because of its thermal stability(higher octane). Pump gas is sparked earlier because the pressures and temperatures within the cylinder can cause pre-ignition, or detonation. Both of which will destroy any engine. The speed that the flame propagates through the air/fuel mixture isn't much of a factor. Again though, this is from my experience in tuning cars, with larger displacements and lower compression ratios then bikes. So take what I say with a grain of salt.
Why would anyone put extensions on a 112 whp bike. One of my old buddies back in 2005 stretched his r6 that was his first bike then he learned and went heads up w me on his nitrous 2006 r1- yamaslammer.
For drag racing? There is no denying it will make the mt09 faster in the quarter mile. It makes over 60 ftlbs of torque from low rpms and is hard to keep the front end down
That mt 09 is a 849cc and the 2021 is 890cc they were made to compete with ktm's duke 690 (mt07) and ktm duke 890 (mt09) in my opinion
I'm seeing a lot of ignorant comments down below. Why would you stretch a 112 whp bike? Well seeming as how this is a DRAG RACING youtube channel I'm 99% sure the owner drag races his mt09. The mt09 as you can see makes over 60 ft lbs of torque starting from a low rpm range and is hard to keep the front end down. Just because you dont necessarily see a lot of people dragging an mt09 doesn't mean people dont. Why do people stretch 105 whp 600's? Because maybe they like their bike and they like drag racing and ultimately streching a bike allows you to launch much harder than stock wheelbase aka faster et's. Jesus some of you are dense
That’s what’s up man I didn’t know y’all can put E85 on some of the motorcycle
Anything automotive you can
@@Jason.cbr1000rr that’s what’s up man
we all have opinions on what to use for fuel, i respect everyones opinion but i just dont see the benefit, 91-93 octane is readily available and in our area (ks) doesnt cost much more if you are worried about the $$$ end of it.
Different areas are different. In some areas e85 is everywhere. Some other areas don't have it at all.
Why in the heck is that 1000 not making over 155hp stock out of the box!? Wow not what I was expecting do they have a lower compression ratio? What is the difference in the motor compare to the GSXR 1000 of the same year? Great video beautiful bikes I always love watching you do your magic
They are not built the same
I think it has the engine from K5 GSXR, with more mild cam etc
@@postmortemspasm that came be cause I've have an 04 k4 1000 and I spanked one of those I now have a k5 and it is way way faster then my 04 was and both are stock
The GSXS 1K are 140-145whp stock. That longer chain will obviously read lower because of higher drivetrain loss. The other issue is he has a shit exhaust system which I wouldn’t be surprised if it lost power over stock. It’s a trash setup😂
gsxs 1000 is a k5 engine with ''sugar'' jeje
Toss in a Z900 and you'd have the trio of my favorite bikes on the market.
i got one set up for roll probably first one in the world. or at least in the USA
What afr target on e85 do you shoot for same as gas?
A lil richer...
Why would you stretch a mt09, basically kills the fun of it
People drag race them, not sure why everyone in the comments is so confused as to why they stretched it. This is literally a drag racing youtube channel
I have a 2016 GSXS 1000 with a tune by Dano's Performance out of cali and it really woke the bike up (had this done 3 years ago before I heard of you Chris)....what do you think the HP loss is due to the soft rear tire and long chain?
Some HP lose is from stretch and tire but the Coffman exhaust is garbage to that's the biggest lose of power
@@connor1982 thanks...I'm running a full M4 and I've seen 2 vids (1 from Moore Mafia) where a GSXS 1000 got 152whp and another got 158whp. I think an earlier vid by Chris was the one that got 158whp and I think both had full M4's. I think they did, been awhile since I seen them.
@@razorbak6783 m4 has gotten way better in recent years. Akropovic seems to be top 3 at bare minimum so if you are willing to spend the money I would. My 2019 MT09 has the same Akro as in the video and it pumps out 117whp 68tq
Cmon Chris. Why are you guys not using Lambda? Its 2023 guys! Lets go! Lambda will always be easier to tune across different fuels. Otherwise you have to guess the best AFR and you were STILL lean with the E85. Stoich for true E85 is around 9.8-1. WOT would be even lower. As we know pump E85 is not 85% its usually around 70% and can be less. So with all the variance its much better to tune with Lambda.
I guess I really don't get it. It's been my understanding E85 isn't good for recreation vehicles like motorcycles? Clogging injectors, etc.
Methanol is really tough on fuel systems.
mt09 all day !!
Them boys gonna be stopping for fuel every 75 miles all the way home. Right, expect about 20 mpg on E85.
To anyone thinking of doing E85, Don’t.
The 5% increase in bhp just ain’t worth it.
@@jimmyboimazarti1234 exactly stretched bikes lose wheel HP and have 0 cornering. But these are Florida bikes so they only really have straight roads😂
@@jimmyboimazarti1234 Your whole argument is irrelevant considering they're setup for straight roads. Not everyone wants to drag a knee Rossi, get over yourself.
They didn't ride the bikes there...these are street bikes that they drag race. They hauled them there...
@@connor1982 you are literally commenting that in a TH-cam channel where the owner has every bike stretched. Are you stupid? This is a DRAG RACING CHANNEL.
@@86250r I literally said that's their purpose get out of you're BF and stfu
So if the bike is tuned for E85 and can't find it and has to use regular gas what effects will it have on the engine and performance? Less mileage with E85 too?
It will run really rough . Stioch with e85 is 9.73:1, vs 100% pump gas being 14.7:1
So yeah you use lot more fuel with it.
That is why the PC5 is there for the 2nd map
@@blackwidowpowersports6037 yeah it's got dual map capabilities, but there was no mention of it being equipped with the switch to toggle between them.
He presented it as being tuned straight e85 .
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How long can you leave E85 in your tank?
I think under a month ma niqqa
Under a month for sure. It's very corrosive so buy a fuel system and fuel pump in advance 🤣
Is E-85 better than MR12 ?
In the summer
I'm surprised that they have enough fuel pump and injector for e85 from the factory.
Maybe if the AF ratio was much richer.
Most bikes have plenty of fuel pump but the injection is hit or miss I tuned about 50bikes or more on e85 and only 4 needed bigger injectors
I was surprised too actually
Promising to see since I have a project in the works, 1984 kawasaki gpz1100 and thinking of updating with zx10r or zx14 power plant. Put it on corn also.
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How fast are they?
10000mph
That's pretty fast on E85. Heh.
I have an '18 MT09, yosh pipe flashed by 2wheeldynoworks, why in the F would anyone stretch a mt.....or gsx for that matter. Half the fun of the mt is the wheelies. Sorry, a couple of customers but a couple of tools.
I got 70% ethanol locally. Doesn't E85 need 9.8 to 1 AF ratio? Actual 85% ethanol. Don't plan on riding over 100 miles on a tank.
No you can run a tad leaner than gas. So way higher than 10:1
That sounds OK for E70. Which most pump E85 is probably.
Wow it’s really you ? Must be nice you showed up to Dyno tune someone’s bikes … I book a Dyno with this guy abs paid for your service and drove up 7hrs for weekend and you did not show up.
Let's see the proof
So he just didn't show up to his own shop? Ok bud
@@86250r proof how about u ask him ! 8-7-21 book a Dyno day have my bike tune .. and he was not even there by way girl works inside she even told me this was not first time he did this to someone.. so Mike did my Dyno nothing against Mike at all but I paid for Chris have my bike tune again abs Dyno
The MT-09 is lighter...
Stretching an mt09 is an actual travesty, like it will never go fast enough to need that and also the wheelies are kind of what it’s known for so why even buy it? Or just use rain mode lmao
You don't want yo wheelie on drag bike idiot. Do you tards not realize that this is a drag racing channel and that he works on a lot of drag racing bikes?
@@MercilessGuitar151 pardon me for not watching his entire catalogue before commenting. Who buys an mt09 for a drag bike? Foolish. It’s only 110 horsepower while any 1k is gonna have 160+ so just why?
@@bronzedong same reason people drag race 600's that make 105 whp. you dont need a liter bike to have fun especially on the street. Only 110 hp? you realize the mt09 has more hp and way way more torque than a 600 while being lighter? the mt09 has the power to run 9s in the quarter with a proper setup, not sure why thats foolish.
@@chadrichards8930 I own a 2020 mt09 and came off of a 636. Never once has either bike required a stretch and as for “fun on the street”? You literally remove half of its capabilities so you can “drag” as if the bike had enough power to break lose and require that anyway
@@chadrichards8930 and also 420 lbs is not lighter than most 600s
i wouldnt put e85 in my weed eater
Good idea. Weed eaters have carburetors.
I believe e85 should be around 10.8:1 afr. It's also the equivalent of 105 octane. Poor man's race gas.
Also the idea behind e85 is a minimum of 85% ethanol.
Stretched Fz09, really? Talk about neutering its character. Love the content though, E85 is worth running for the smell alone!!!!
It's a drag bike. Not a cornering bike, duh.
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Anyone who runs Coffman systems doesn’t know what the fuck they’re doing😂 Tell me you’re a poser without actually telling me you’re a poser…..
It smells awful... If it didn't make more power I would choke Logan for running it in his Busa 😂