Suzuki GSXR1000R Dyno Mapping With Woolich | MSS Performance
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ต.ค. 2024
- Last month we installed a full Spark system to Greg new Suzuki GSXR1000R. Now its time to visit MSS Performance for the custom mapping using the Woolich Racing flashing software 💪
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Loved the patience of the guy doing the tuning while you two were interpreting the live results 🤣
Yes haha, patience of a Saint Paul 😆
Yes, they I didn't let the poor guy speak 🤣
A great video, always like you and Greg ones, two good mates who love their bikes and talk sense👍 the difference in power between a high pressure day compared with a very low pressure day can be pretty big on a powerful bike. Some excellent content Chopsy 👍🙂
Thanks Nick appreciated buddy 👍
The chemistry of you two is amazing! I sold my 18 to a friend, loved it!
The low speed and part throttle is the hardest stuff to map, that's where you spend most of your time. That peak power run means pretty much bog all in the real world. The fuelling and ignition maps and the options for deleting inputs like the O2 look very similar to Hondata that I've dabbled with on Honda cars.
I love project bike dyno videos where you iterate to get the perfect tune. Please get more of these! And more project bike videos
Yourself and Greg have some fantastic looking machines........looking forward for the future comparison 👍
Great video again Chops.
I enjoy these tech episodes - knowledge is power😊
Thanks Paul 👍
Ive watched this vid before and looking at the rich/lean line, it’s all over the place at low/mid rpm, which is where you’ll mainly ride. If you watch Chris Moore vids he gets the line almost flat !!
Looking forward to the comparison ride , great vlog as usual 👍👏
Thanks Paul
People get so caught up on peak numbers. The delta is the most important, as is what you can’t feel….the part throttle tuning, tip in and driveability.
The man did a great job on the bike , it takes a lot of time to obtain a tune like that one , Greg should be happy
He certainly did! 👍
I did it Chops in my garage I fitted a full Akrapovic exhaust system over two days, thanks to a borrowed abba stand, plenty of swearing and scratches but I did my first full system install on my 2016 KTM Super Duke R SE .👍👍👍
Good on you buddy! Very well done 😎😎👍
@@LambChopRides thanks Chops, such a great feeling of accomplishment doing your own work on your bike I find, keep up the great vids, loving the channel, say hi to Mavis....😉👍
I do love a dyno video.
#GixxerBoys 🔵⚪️ Love it! She’s a stunner, Pal🔥 Fair play, MacGyvering a race system, on a road bike 🤦🏻♂️ Even with low air pressure, 181HP and 81 ft lbs (or NM?) torque at the rear wheel, is impressive!! Well done lads! And best part is, he’s VERY happy with the throttle, and handling. Enjoy her Greggers! Next stop, The Isle of Man TT!! Btw. That funnel intro. Too funny 🤣 #TeamLCR
Haha thanks Mike 👍
Looks good with the "floating" end can and well done on getting the race pipe to fit on a road bike...mucho swearing no doubt with much trial and error! Good review as usual and glad all's well with the Gixxer. A back to back vlog with Greg and yours very soon?
Yes as soon as the weather warms up again we will be recording that one Iain 👍😁
@@LambChopRides PS. Couldn't stop laughing at Tpot and you (The Big Hunts) Pie and Mash trip to good Ole London Town."Fantastic & Brilliant"
181hp at the rear wheel is 208hp at the crank, give or take. That is an outstanding figure. Congratulations.
No it isn’t. Suzuki claim 202bhp at the crank. A 6bhp gain with a full system and a remap is quite pathetic!!
@@flamintasty Yes, it is. The 2017+ GSXR 1000 makes 202hp at the crank. This is not that model. It is the 185hp K8 model which generates about 157-160hp at the wheel. The combination of exhaust and tune has increased power by around 24hp crank or 21hp at the wheel. An oustanding figure which brings this K8 up to a modern, stock 1000 cc bike.
@@rafaellastracom6411 no, it is 2017+ model, the fairings and front headlight are different to the k8, I was expecting a little more to be honest, I see guys in America flashing them and getting close to 200hp
@@Heyoka-gq4wl I´m going off the channels own video title from the last episode... ¨Modern Classic Update | New Shoes for the GSXR1000 K8¨.
Yeh defo we want a back to back of the gixxers 👍🏼
reminded me of Les Dawson lip syncing as the mill worker lady heee top video Chopsey.
Great Bike Lads brilliant road bike for a race rep enjoy
Can’t get enough of gixxer content. Keep it coming!
I find a performance boost is always handy to offset excess food consumption over the Winter months. 😘 Thank God for those stretchy panels in modern leathers too! The Gixxer's looking nicely sorted for some serious action now, Chopsie. All we need now is something that vaguely resembles Spring weather... 😒
Haha yes I agree! 🤣 👍
Looks smart with the end can like that. Look forward to the comparison video! 👍
Great video, MSS Performance is a great company and certainly know their way around a ZX10
Way over my head the technical stuff, but still enjoyed it 👍
Great video Lamb Chop. It will be good to see you both out on the GSX-R's.
Great video Mr chops 👍
Thanks Michael 👍 😊
Weapon Mate, these older Gixxers can really pump out the numbers 👍
I thought this was a new one.
Chops has the old one.
Excellent video as always :) Going to take my bike for a remap soon I got akrapovic downpipes and a SC project CRT exhaust on my bike ( its very loud ) which I am worried about when I decide to get a camera and start making videos lol I might need to put the akrapovic exhaust can on with a baffle instead.
Looks very lean still at low and midrange RPM , just based on the A/ F ratio graph , correct me here if I,m wrong Chops
The final figures were done with the huge fresh air fan which was new. They werent sure what air speed it was suppling as wasn't calibrated yet so that leaned it a little for the final numbers. Leaner but not too lean
Agree still looked a bit lean down low. However as they say they lean is mean 😂
Another great video, love the tech stuff
Didnt fancy taking it to Hilltop then Chops!!!!
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Awesome. I’m taking my bmw to Dyno on Friday. Hoping it won’t be pissing down.
Another great video. One for the tech geeks 🤓👍
Nice vid. Very interesting in general & the air pressure bit too, never even occurred to me that could be a thing in this context. Still not bad numbers though. Very interested to hear Greg's rationale for the GSXR. Also Chops it's pronounced Jixer. ; )
Really interesting viewing 👍👍👍 thanks chops
Madness my S1000R Sport Gen1 I'm 169.3whp and 87.6ftlb on a naked lol.
Definitely get it put back on for piece of mind👌🏻.
Love my S1000R Definitely far from bland or whatever chopsy says about them lol. Get out on one that's been woolich tuned and has some goodies then get it ripped back 💯% and see what you think mate😅😅.
Great stuff,thks guys.
I'm surprised that we still don't have all dynos with sufficient air flow to mimic the real world environment i.e. The impact of ram air etc. Its still done based on experience/guestimates. A road test with a/f measuring would be interesting
Actually Scotty they were just implementing a huge fan to mimic this. Shame it wasn't ready for our visit 👍
Can you imagine a 150mph wind in a dyno cell?
Yes. Can you imagine tuning vehicles that are engineered for ram air in a room without the real world airflow. The whole room would be ideal but at least real world volumes of air directed into the air intakes. Admittedly not easy but not doing so is surely a massive compromise.
Great video guys
Now the Funnel start!😂
10hp improvement - that's a whole Honda Cub + more - Should give you about 55mph more speed. I'm sure that's about right?
It’s saved about 20lb of weight though plus 10hp. Sounds good to me.
That looked like Colchester Kawasaki? Great vid 👍🏻
Yes the are located there 👍
Great video
More gsxr content you beauty!!!!!!
15:31 I thought the dotted line was the aim for perfect air/fuel ratio? Why the huge spike at 3-3.5k rpm? And medium spiked at 6, 8 & 9.5k rpm? Or am I missing something please?
MSG seem to be the kings of GSXR tuning
Love the vid, used Mss for all my bikes. However what I didn't like is the way you kept interrupting him.
You reminded me about why i never adjusted the brake lever. The throttle housing is pinned to the bar too. Really annoying design flaw. How have you overcome it @lambchops?
I noticed Greg say it's running a bit hot at 80 degrees, is that hot though especially in the conditions? My 9r was running at 87 degrees through winter and summer, it seemed to love being at that temp, but I managed to bring that down a fair bit. First thing I done was use Motul 7100 fully synthetic oil, straight away the temps came down 3-5 degrees, I then recently removed the KLEEN air system (PAIRS system), and connected the crankcase breather to the KLEEN air system with the vacuum pump removed, and added a small Ramair filter, and blocked off the holes in the airbox (I have a video showing how I done it if interested).
As the hot exhaust gases that pass through the piston rings no longer go back into the engine, the temps are down even more, I saw them go down to 78 or 79 degrees at one point, plus it is now using the extra and cleaner air to produce more power. I did shim my carbs too, but obvs you can't do that part, but definitely recommend the other mods to any bike, no need to buy block off plates for the reed valves. Next I'm changing the coolant to Motul's coolant to see if that makes a change, as I'm sure the previous owners probably just used a generic brand not formulated for bikes specifically, we'll see.
Chops are you looking at what parts might swap mysteriously from Greggor’s bike to yours 👍
Yes 🤔🤔 wonder if those wheels would fit...
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10:00 is this a little birdie at the end?
Brilliant and all the best imfo you need to get on reflash in layman's terms does that mean you don't need a power commander,, I'd like to get it done to my 06 to get the 1st 3 gear restriction out can get a dongle but the gear indicator stays I 5th 🤔🤔🤔🤔so not for me ☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️from Northern Ireland loving the videos
Yes no need for a power commander can do it all at the ecu level it's very clever. I'm going pc route on my old gsxr so can see the different process 👍
Great John thanks again
did you not take it to the guy who did your H2 because you didn't want to take the fairing off or because this guy supplied the exhaust?
They supplied the exhaust so offered a matching map at a decent price. Also I wanted to see what the Woolich software was like as I've never seen it before 👍
@@LambChopRides cheers. I have a video suggestion for you "Do Velocity stacks really work"? I don't see the point but bragging rights.
How loud is the exhaust, will it get on track?
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Great vid guys.
But let the man talk 😅
I did my apprenticeship in Colchester. Heenan and Froude water cooled dyno ( rope wound around a drum) anyone? I must be old (still riding).
Would have been interested in how you managed to fit the headers also. Or was it too horrible to show the world? 😊
Headers were fine Rob, it was the end can mounting. Yes it was too long and drawn out to bore people with haha
A chopsy vid...sweet!
I always wonder how they do it and how long it takes them to sweep the entire map and adjust all the throttle and rpm cells, because it is always seen at 100% throttle, but how do they make sure that IN EACH CELL the afr is correct?
They test and adjust at all throttle positions not just 100%. Well 25% 50%, 75% etc, not sure exactly what throttle positions but at some points in the throttle position. Then smooth the map between them
It's probably me, but wouldn't it be logical for it to show rich above the line and lean below the line? 🤔😁. Secondly, can they do a simple disable the service light on bikes - service lights drive me nuts, especially when you do your own servicing. Local Triumph dealer charges 30 minutes labour to reset the light!!!
Sure they can easily. It’s just an error or notification code which can be disabled. Cheers
Yes that would make more sense but guess it's just what you are used too. Service light I'm not sure... something we never asked
Always intrigues me with altering the mapping and changing the fuelling. Does this mean when the map is altered to make it smoother, more responsive etc and the bike comes round to an MOT and is checked for emissions it'll fail as the original map was installed to comply with emission regs
All new bikes are built to meet very strict emission control. This is tested under load (unlike mot) Unfortunately these tight controls mean throttle response suffers. The bike won't fail an MOT emissions test as that's very basic and only done on idle
Motorcycles are not tested for emissions on an MOT.
@@motorcycle_workshop tbh I didn’t know, I rarely keep a bike for more than 3 years 🤣🤣🤣😇
I’m considering an old gsxr thou but what is it like without abs?
It absolutely fine until you need to stop in a hurry 😆
@@LambChopRides haha thats my worry 🥲
What do you think people did before bikes came with ABS?
@@flamintasty crashed
Why is every dyno a ‘conservative dyno’ or a ‘heart breaker’ according the dyno operators 😂
Haha very true!
Yeah, exactly. Don’t they ever get them calibrated?
I used to work at cosworth in the dyno. Every day we would measure barometric pressure and vapour pressure (using a whirling barometer) and work out a correction factor. On a perfect day the correction factor would be zero, on a good day the power would be corrected down, on a bad atmospheric day the power would be corrected up. Weather makes a fair bit of difference.
@@davidharrison8762So does fuel quality.
@@flamintasty yep, we tested some nasty fuels back in the day, I know a few guys that had cancer, me included, I wouldn't go cranking up the ignition advance with shit fuel.
Let peeps know the costs.....lol
Yes it's around £450 for a mapping session as it takes most of the day. Plus costs to Woolich Racing for the license
Windows updates…. I hope your nuclear deterrence does not run on this.
Haha probably 🤣