Kyle Kulinski Vs Charlie Kirk | Politicon 2019
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Charlie: "ArE yOu JuSt SuPpOsEd To SeLl InTeRnAtIoNaL aSsEtS???"
Kyle: "YES!!!"
My favorite part. God he just tries to pretend nothing is corruption when trump does it.
Or at least put them in a blind trust like he was told to do many times over while he was president elect
Time stamp for that remark?
@@wusscake 44:41
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Orange man good
I need a Shapiro/Kulinski debate, it'd be glorious.
I feel like Shapiro would make the same mistake Kirk made here and assume he's debating another establishment pro Obama Democrat. He has a tenancy to not do his homework on the people he debates.
i would ascend to heaven
@@jameswhite6985 pakman would obliterate Shapiro.
I think pretty much any principled Leftie like Kyle, Michael Brooks, and Krystal Ball would absolutely body Shapiro
@@PreciseGameplay yeah, which is also probably why he hasn't debated them, he prefers to stick to college kids who while they are leftists, don't know the specifics and can't hold there own in a 1 on 1 debate, he probably knows he'd get destroyed if he went up against someone who actually knew what they were talking about, he's known as one of the best debaters on the right but I haven't actually seen him go up against a formidable opponent, that's why I wanna see it happen.
Kirk prefaced everything attacking "democrats" and not pertaining to kyle, because he memorized his bs rhetoric for months.
He was railing against the Democrats and acting like Kyle doesn’t do that too on a daily basis. He was acting like Kyle IS the Democrats.
@RunFor OurLives this is why biases and tribalism is toxic. You can take a clip, and two different "tribes" will see vastly different things through their bias colored lenses.
@RunFor OurLives It's not a delivery style, it's a very, very slow delivery style...
RunFor OurLives that’s exactly why Steven Crowder and those like him are scared to debate Seder. He can spend an hour or two one single subject and take a deep, contextual dive while Steven can only can bac with “ but what about...”
Tim_GRIFTER_Tool You are wrong. Charlie actually debates people all the time. Kyle sits behind a screen and just talks to a camera.
Kyle debated Charlie, Charlie debated the Democrats.
But Charlies a Republican though?
Kyle parroted mainstream media talking points, Charlie explicitly refuted mainstream media talking points.
@@TheJrade false
@@TheJrade mainstream media doesnt support M4A mainstream media doesnt support ending the wars so fact check em
It's a conservative thing
Summary of the debate:-
Kyle: "the Democrats and Republicans are both corrupt and we need to point both out"
Charlie: "Blue bad red good duhhhh"
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Except Charlie would get a lot more time to say that
Liked as yt wont let me thumbs up
Kyle: I agree with AOC... LET'S EAT BABIES!!!1!1!1!1!!!!
It's impossible to argue the Republican talking points without making a douche out of yourself. Kirk was truly pathetic on Trump. What a disgusting worm Charlie Kirk is smh. Great job by Kyle.
Charlie Kirk- "the right doesn't do political violence"
Kyle- "racially motivated shootings"
Charlie Kirk- "ok we can go back and forth here."
kirk of course used two examples to sound smart when he knows goddamn well the OVERWHELMING majority of domestic terrorism is right wing related. he's a fucking hack of the highest degree and deserves no respect.
For every 100 white nationalist terrorists I can give you 2 left wing people doing something bad therefore both sides
@@hpebackwards The right constitutes the vast majority of mass shooters, but the left smashes windows - BOTH SIDES!
I love how Kirk says there's no violence on the right, then Kyle starts giving examples and Kirk says they can go back and forth all day with examples...
So Kirk is saying you can give examples of right wing violence all day, but it doesn't exist.
3 centrists vs Kyle Kulsinki
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@@hpebackwards Proof needed. Your source?
Charlie Kirk : " The US has a great economy because of the free market"
Also Charlie Kirk "The US is the most regulated."
And he never connects the two.
One of the reasons why I cant take them serious beyond the real damage their derangedness creates.
Also the US does not have an abundance of natural resources ummmm excuse me, what do you call the fucking oil wells.
He also complains about too much political correctness only to go on to criticize Kyle for swearing and getting angry about what he’s passionate about. lol
Kirk is just spewing typical right-wing hypocrisy & double speak; front & center.
The reguation is slowing the progress of the economy which is still very good
Kyle can criticize both sides. Charlie Kirk can not.
I dont think Charlie Kirk had anything to criticize though
He did well and didn't get baited by Kirk's talking points, just wish he swore less and was more professional
@Brent 21 what a dumb comment.
@Brent 21 A Free Market gives us all the freedom to compete and oppunnity to succeed in whatever business we choose to work in. Art, education, restraunts... If we became a Socialist country, we all lose a lot of freedoms.
@Brent 21 What freedoms have we lose to a free market society?
Charlie: antifa, left is the only side that is violent
Kyle: gives example how thats not true
Charlie: we can go back and forth all day long kyle.
Charlie gave the example that every mass shooter is an inspired liberal ....also white supremacy is also on the left apart from antifa
Remember Dr. Tiller, who Bill O'Reilly called "Tiller the baby killer" on his show repeatedly and then he got murdered by an anti-abortion extremist?
@@vk45 When you make one example to prove a blanket statement. You're going to have a bad time.
Time mark?
@@vk45 How are white supremacist left wing when 99% support the GOP?
I love how Kyle doesn't change his style for this debate, he's just like he is on his show
@@MR-gz9lm -> Asshole
@@MR-gz9lm Need a safe space?
@@MR-gz9lm no like a politically incorrect free speech warrior.. cursing makes republican boy scouts cry like snowflakes apparently
I was disappointed in his performance. On his show, and in past debates on TH-cam, he is much better at making his case. Honestly, I think he had a few cocktails before this debate, he was high-pitch laughing and made awkwardly worded aggressive questions when he should have been staring his own opinions and making his case.
@@MR-gz9lm It was annoying when he missed some of the refutations, and yeah most of the swearing was uncalled for, but to say he can't express himself is beyond a stretch pal.
Moderator when charlie is speaking: *loving gaze*
Moderator when kyle speaks for over one minute: "let me stop you right there bucko"
and yet kyle still hit it out of the park
that hack "moderator" has been doing that dance for a while now everytime for every right winger against a lefty....its like he knows theres a disadvantage with letting it go straight up
lol
Correct me if I’m wrong, but using the argument that you shouldn’t trust somebody’s word because he’s lying to you right now is not ad hominem. Kyle is attacking his character when his character litteraly stem from his current actions/words in the debate; it’s not so much of attack as it is simply observing. I mean, Kyle is using implied reasoning of you are what you do.I assume that’s common sense as to why he implied it rather than spell it out. Well the saying, “common sense isn’t so common,” rings true, I guess.
Also, kyle was debating Charlie's points while Charlie was just arguing against talking points that kyle never made
Charlie:
"We should have billionaires"
Immediately after
"Government is bad because the billionaires use their money to influence the government"
🤔
Hummmm...🤔
@Professor OneTrick and I'd like to be president this year. Technically possible but has an impossible probability. Kind of silly if I tried to pitch me being president as a likely outcome to the election.
To anyone saying it is the government job to not be corrupt present them this analogy. A village sources their water from a well. They have been for hundreds of years and with the exception of a few minor incidents, everyone were able to get their water without a problem. However recently, the water seems poisoned. Turns out, there is an oil company near the village that is fracking and therefore poisoning the underground water reserves. Now in this analogy people like Charlie Kirk is blaming the well.
Government is how civilization sources their legislation necessary for it's survival. (well and water)
The oil company in this analogy is, well a coal lobbyist that literally got himself promoted to the head of the EPA. Or Big pharma lobbyist literally writing regulation on themselves and having them pass through the Houses without a hitch.
@Professor OneTrick he wasn't saying that but even if I grant your premise, he might say that out loud but then be arguing that corporations are people and money is free speech. When you say something out loud but all your actions are the opposite, I'm of the opinion actions speak louder than words.
@Professor OneTrick I've seen him in a previous video talking about money is speech though and that's been the elected republican position for a long time now. It's a terrible burden on the freedom of normal civilians to have people so rich they can buy... Well buy everything. Look at our pandemic response. Just opened the banks to the corporations who needed it the least including tax haven corps. We could have a discussion about how even someone with a million dollars can buy politicians and that's true but I'm not saying we shouldn't have millionaires. It's just you get into billions and we simply loose all concepts of controlling corruption. What's the sweet spot? I dunno.
Does Charlie still live like a capitalist every single day? He sure gets publicly owned a lot
Damn I like that
You did not just flip my ben shapiro dig
Clever
HAHA, someone's been in The Serfs comment section
owen davis guess his username checks out
The cgi they used for Kyle's legs is astounding
AzureExia Big Seltzer has that coin💰💰💰
Shhhh.... flat earthers are around. Don't mention CGI 🤫
Not this again
(Jesse Lee Peterson voice) "Thats amazing"
old joke
Kyle: "Can I talk?"
Charlie: "Idk are we nearly out of time?"
Sums it up
I swear Kirk said "I want to give Kyle time to respond but I know we're nearly out of time." about six fucking times, and then he proceeded to blab for five more minutes each time he said it.
Even though kyle lost you got to hand it to him . At least he was an honest opponent.
@@therussiantrollnetwork7464 I don't personally consider this a win for either of them, but, ya, Kirk can definitely claim this as a victory with his followers.
Kyle really let the non-existent moderation and Kirk's dishonest babbling get under his skin; he's at his best when he's composed, when he's surgical with his facts and picking apart his opponent's inconsistencies, but he let himself get too heated. Even though he was making fine points that Kirk was falling flat over, Kyle came off as immature and defensive.
In this type of scenario, with a dozing moderator and an opponent who's only strategy is to control the mic time, Kyle needs to stay calm and centered, interject as soon as Kirk says something disingenuous or outright false, and not lose his cool when Kirk says dumb shit like 'U mad bro?".
I fucking love Kyle, he's helped me develop a critical mode of thinking when it comes to politics, and if he's the man I think he is, then I know he'll look at this debate and critique himself, as well as his opponent, and improve moving forward.
Matthew Tomeraasen i hate progressives but if there is one who i can tolerate, it is definitely Kyle. He’s usually pretty honest. I can’t stand tyt or david pakman
@@therussiantrollnetwork7464 I'm progressive on most issues and I don't fuck with Pakman or TYT. Especially Pakman, that dude is the epitome of smug 'intellectual' .
The good thing about Kyle is that he doesn't have the burden to "defend" Obama or Democrats, while Trump supporters are stuck trying to defend their nonsense.
Unless Kirk wasn't defending nonsense.
@TyetheRebel did you miss the entire section where Charlie's doing mental gymnastics over Trump's tax cuts and nepotism?
@TyetheRebel Kirk's entire response to everything was basically "nu uh, trump is the least corrupt president in American history, he's basically jesus"
@TyetheRebel Defending Trump's tax cuts
Kirk's unusually small face says otherwise.
I watched most of this. I'd say Kyle definitely made him look like a partisan hack, and in certain exchanges Kirk was exposed...but Kyle kind of let him off the hook too much, and boy the moderator would just allow Kirk to filibuster/gish gallop forever
As he did last year against Seder.
@@PittsburghSonido hell no. Sam seder destroyed that guy for real. Sam seder is freaking good debating and is a savage but Kyle, even when is good, is not at the level of Sam.
Not sure whos more annoying after this. Tim pool or charlie kirk...i think its kirk.
Charlie has a knack for pivoting, the only people I think could really point it out in real time are Michael Brooks or Destiny. Kyle did well, but when it comes to Charlie Kirk, you need some sort of anti-grease, cuz he's just such a slippery debater.
@@ismeal231 What exactly do you mean by anti-grease? Like making sure that they stay focused on the point at hand? That has downsides too, looks obstinate if you keep fixating on some issue in this format
The moderator is totally useless. He was useless last year, and I hoped that he learned and improved when I saw him, but alas. Get rid of that guy please.
This is the joke inherent in the conservative argument that conservative voices are getting shut down and censored and cancelled. They're not.
Who was the moderator? We could bother him into being fair via Twitter
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You mad because the moderator couldn't defend kyle? 😂😂😂 He was doing his job: moderating.
@@economicalovereem5833 Kyle didn't need defending. Being a moderator means distributing time equally among the debaters. He did not do that.
Charlie: "The corporate tax rate should be 0%."
Kyle: "That's a very unpopular position, please proceed...."
That was glorious! 😁😁😁
Seriously wtf was that. It's like when Kirk goes off script his true colors show and his real point is "I'm here to defend the oligarchy!!" Sad because the guy sounds decently intelligent
Why won't Kyle debate Nick Fuentes?
@@Billy-yk5te kyle's got no time to debate self hate racists
Don't forget this was about 30 seconds after Charlie commended Trump for increasing the effective corporate tax rate. Good thing nobody listens to Charlie Kirk for logical consistency.
Who gives a fuck if something is unpopular. That is not an argument, but its always Kyle's go to.
Who’s here after Trump’s taxes got leaked and Kyle’s speculation about Trump’s corruption was true?
I'm here after trump has corona
Rosé is my boo oh Boi, he sure has lived a long life hasn’t he?
His taxes showed he paid millions of dollars in taxes. Lol. And how was the corruption proven?
@@modernwarriorsystems7347 "he paid millions in taxes!"
What was the rate? If u tax Elon Musk 1%, u will also end up with millions of dollars, but that doesn't mean paying 1% of taxes is at all a good amount to pay considering his net worth.
@@lordoftheflies7024 why should he owe anything according to what he makes? How does any other person have higher authority over him to demand he give up part of his wealth at the muzzle of a gun? Income tax is theft, immoral, and evil. It's only for parasites like you.
Charlie Kirk recites every talking point in the book.
It was like listening to Sean hannity
He should rebrand his show to "talking point usa"
The moderator should have jumped in and told Charlie to shut the fuck up. That guy kept talking nonstop, like he was filibustering.
@@cloudyskiesnow
You mean like when kyle kept yelling wrong and talking over him? Hypocrite.
@@thekma3476 Look at how long each of them spoke. Charlie took up the vast majority of the time with his bullshit talking points. Kyle wasn't even given the opportunity to respond, so he needed to interject. Then he was scolded for doing so by hacks like you. Stop being a bullshit artist.
Charlie “What about urban unemployment” Kirk
That was total CRINGE
It was so bad I cracked laughing. He was so clueless.
And also racist as fuck...
@@Rustycan5639 How is it racist? You do not know what racism is. Calling it racist, is racist. Kyle was the racist.
@ryne green You cannot give Obama credit for low unemployment, since his unemployment was much higher, and rose from the bush days. He spent 5 years rising the unemployment. Trump has spent 3 years halfing it. Not the same thing, right? And it was ironically worst for the blacks under Obama, losing their jobs to hispanics. Highest black unemployment rate. And that is why Kyle and the others will not debate black unemployment, and rather yell racist to derail it.
@@dnciskkk9037 Wrong. Unemployment spiked right after the crisis (Republicans crisis, by the way) and has being trending down at the same rate since then.
www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Unemployment-Rate_September.png
As you can see, it always trends down after a recession. Doesn't he much to do with obama or trump. Both their economic policies are written by goldman sachs, so stop the bickering. The bankers are getting away with all the money, you fools.
Steven is a joke of a moderator. He might as well have just spent the hour blowing Kirk on stage.
CutThroatJuggalo That would have taken a minute.
@@MysterD515 could've filled the rest of the time with Kyle breaking down the state of politics at the moment. I'm cool with that.
😭😂
Kyle kept throwing it back to Charlie. Instead of making his own points, his strategy relied on making snarky questions and hoping Charlie would talk himself into a hole. Honestly, I believe Kyle was high, and also, he seemed to mirror a lot of Cenk’s debate style, which is unfortunate because Cenk is a horrible debater.
@chrlpolk whenever Kyle would try to interject the moderator told him to be quiet, when Kyle would talk The moderator would let Charlie talk
Charlie: ''The Democrats are wearing masks''. Wow this aged well.
I was just thinking watching this in 2020 gives it a whole new viewpoint 😂🤦♀️
Lmao
Most people are wearing masks when necessary.
Everyone is wearing a mask.
Turns out Covid doesn’t give a hoot about your political affiliation.
Go figure
@@mischevious Yeah but I think it's safe to say they're more so likely to wear masks than Republicans. I mean, we have this same shit in Ireland with far right groups staging protests and out right refusing to wear masks or social distance
Please never hire this moderator again
Jonathan Aillon I believe he does most if not all the moderating so they need to lighten the work load or geeetttt em outtt
As soon as the video started and I saw him I groaned.
@@coltdawg7299 even if his workload is alot, he never moderates. He just sits there and gets paid. Wish I had his job
Jonathan Aillon lol agreed and I’m pretty sure Kyle even said that dude was being completely useless.
Charlie wasnt debating you. He was debating with his abstract, manufactured idea of "The Democrats" and making you a placeholder for them. Then he just practiced reciting his talking points for an hour.
@@Sakaki98 Niko streamed it.
@@Sakaki98 - This was live streamed hours ago. Try keeping up.
@@Sakaki98 Corin's channel streamed it, bro.
@@Sakaki98 It's been streamed by like a dozen people, and lots of people saw it live.
@UC5ZKK6Sq2PUf_70Q3VAdAFA others beat me to it that it was streamed live elsewhere, but just wanted to chime in - you got faced, julian
Charlie Kirks strategy: just talk without breathing so no one has the opportunity to respond.
Ben Shapiro would be proud if he was here.
I disagree, Charlie talked lies, proven lies, take Kapernick record , easily looked up. Most of the statements were bullshit or opinion . not facts...
@Harry Mann Jr LOL. Trumptard troll didn't watch the debate.
@Harry Mann Jr 1. "The individual and pass-through tax cuts fade over time and become net tax increases starting in 2027 while the corporate tax cuts are permanent."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Cuts_and_Jobs_Act_of_2017
2. Changes in deductions mean it wasn't even a clear tax "cut" in the first place and in many cases actually tax increase for middle class families: thinkprogress.org/10-million-american-families-saw-tax-increases-under-trump-tax-cut-aa97d7aee410/
@Harry Mann Jr Literally everything you said there is just wrong. I recommend you try to inform yourself before you spit your opinion out in the world.
@@delos2279 10 million....out of what 100 million middle class people no shit it went up for some jesus christ that's the dumbest statistic, I honestly cant believe you cited that
Charlie: I didn’t sign a social contract.
Charlie: Not kneeling for our national song is unpatriotic.
Absolute clown
Right?
Even if we ignore the constitution argument every single person who functions within a community no matter the size has
already signed a social contract with that community to uphold a set of laws and ethics that they agree on.
This has been the case since the stone ages when we decided to form groups in order to survive.
I think you mean not standing for our song is unpatriotic
Isn't it not that bad for someone to have an opinion. A judgement. A pride for their country?
@@carlidennis6105 Gotta work on those double negatives mate.
@@Lack_Of_Interest when you work on understanding economic sustainability, we'll talk about grammar, in the comments section. For now, lets focus on tangible issues that hurt the quality of life, of the very same lives the left claim to advocate for. There's no pride, in being too educated, to be wise, Death Panda.
Timed with a chess clock:
Kyle: 18 minutes 29 seconds
Charlie: 30 minutes 37 seconds
Make of that what you will.
And I assume that doesn't even include all the times kirk tries to speak over kyle when kyle is speaking... Terrible moderator!
And Charlie Kirk still lost.
thecockerel
Hahaha there it is. Knew this comment would be here.
How to make a time stamp
18:29
30:37
@@charliewhite3905 It's not a time stamp, it's the amount of time kyle talked and the amountof time kirk talked.
The moderator is terrible. Everytime the discussion got interesting he changed the subject.
I completely agree. I think it really gave Kyle a disadvantage, because at some points when he should have responded, the conversation was cut off. I feel like the moderator prevented Kyle from effectively countering Charlie's talking points.
Absolutely.
Kirk was ranting. Luckily we get to pick this video apart and debunk his idiotic MAGAt talking point over the next few days
Just a theory, but maybe Kirk or one of his affiliates bribed the moderator?
@@SilviaFingerotter totally agree. The worst cut off was after the economy rant Kirk gave and then Kyle didn't even get a chance to respond.
1. Fire that moderator.
2. Charlie Kirk can no longer be taken seriously. He is literally a stereotype at this point, A firehose of rehearsed talking points. Deaf to reason.
No thankyou It showed whenever he had to deviate from his talking points
Right wing NPC
This entire comment section is just ad hominem towards Charlie. You aren’t making yourselves look good, nor changing anyone’s minds.
who gives a fuck about changing any cuckservative npc mind? lol
You are just punching bags.
@@dylanvlogs4303 Charlie kirk is hurting himself every time he debates a leftist. This why they dodged Kyle in the last politicon and denied they ever agreed to debating him
Boy, Charlie's economic argument aged poorly in the age of covid
It was never right to begin with
And your comment makes no sense. I'm not a trump supporter, but its disingenuous to suggest that its trumps fault the economy tanked because of corona. That is completely out of trumps control, you can't blame him for that. ANY president would have a crap economy because of corona.
@@floki5605 You're wrong. It would have gone much better if he hadn't gutted the pandemic task force and taken so long to take action.
@@ltfringr
I'm not arguing about the severity, thats a whole different discussion. Even if he took action there still would've been a short period of lockdown at some point.
Floki yeah but it could’ve been a short lockdown. Look at new Zeland, they shut the country down ASAP and have had 1 person die of covid in the past 2 months. Trump on the other hand took his time, with a VIRUS, something that spreads through the air, when we had no cure for it. He closed the country just to rush and open it back up again simply because the economy was failing.
Charlie Kirk did nothing but filibuster and talk fast.
tupacsince71 the Ben Shapiro tactic
Gishgallop
Filibuster in real time
exactly!!!
Kirk: Complains about China getting to pollute.
Kirk again: Complains about US companies not being allowed to pollute.
Oh these tankie responses are so predictable.
I'll put it bluntly: Fuck China.
@4 Fake , and those regulations have been taken away!!
China has less polution if you go by per capital.
4 Fake Do you mean the U.S. after 4 more years under trump?
4 Fake
You just pivoted hard af after being called out and stuck to as hominem instead of answering the question Kronika asked. Don’t come to these threads thinking you can get away with saying “libtard”. You are inconsistent in this case.
If Charlie is so "skeptical" about government, why does he trust this administration so much.
I wish Kyle would have asked that.
Kyle should have brought up the articles of Trump wanting to seize private land to start building his wall. (Seizing private land for the state sounds like a communist thing eh Charlie?). Also trying to stop car companies from following California’s emissions standards. Also Trump saying they should take away licences of news outlets that criticize him. All sound pretty big government to me.
Full of sheeeet
@@supergamer5121 Those are all excellent points, Kyle won but he really could have demolished Charlie if he had brought tons of examples that disputed everything Charlie claimed Trump has accomplished.
@@JennyOwnzable Because Trump is skeptical of the government agencies also.
kyle was toying with him, charlie was talking in circles and employing the shapiro technique of talk fast and obtusely try and take over the conversation by verbal vomit instead of well put points.
Facts
A well put point in politics is complicated. What was a good point Kyle made?
Kyle made zero well put points. What video are you watching?
@Brent 21 This just shows how entrenched people are nowadays. I can honestly say Charlie wasn't debating much. He was mostly giving a pre written speech. But at the same time, Kyle made zero good points. On the day, Charlie was better.
But you pick on something you have no idea about to defend your dear leader Kyle. Stop cheering with the other lunatics and actually listen.
@Brent 21 I'm not even American, but sure. I simply take an interest. I wasn't raised or taught with your left-right biases. It's quite clear to me which is side is better. Not saying anyone's right on everything, but your Dem's have moved far too left. I've seen first hand what leftism does to a state. So, watch what hellhole you're taking your country to.
Charlie Kirk even lies about NFL stats. He had 16 TDs & 4 INTs his last year in the NFL.
Not 14 INTs. 😂
At least half the teams wish their QBs were that good...
Wow he really just straight lied... and no one called him out
dude nearly won a super bowl smfh
My take on Kap is he was high level backup qb. Teams viewed him as too much of distraction for a backup qb
He also went 1-10 as a starter
Charlie drones on for an hour, Kyle opens his mouth to respond
Moderator: Hold on Kyle, you'll get your chance to talk
The thing you should be upset about is that for the first 2/3’s of the debate, Kyle was cutting his own time short to ask snarky questions, kicking it back to Charlie. That’s not the moderator’s fault. And Kyle was given time to respond.
@@chrlpolk Oh right, makes perfect sense. So when Charlie went on his massive gish gallops asking fifty questions that's perfectly fine though. But when Kyle answers with a rhetorical question, now things need a completely justified hour long answer? lol, what a hypocrite.
This is why I dislike live debates.
Charlie Kirk literally just sat there and told lie after lie while Kyle tried to be honest.
This is called gishgalloping.
Yes, debating the disingenuous is inherently flawed. People who buy into the lies unwittingly cannot be made to drink truth, they must choose to. The more facts you pile up to disprove the lies of the "right" just becomes more evidence of "oppression" or "the Devil's work." Unfortunately, it seems to take personal tragedy to get through to these people, but even that is not certain to work.
I got a head ache from it. kyle was right. charlie kirk monologue night.
There's a reason why academic debates are written and sourced instead of live streamed.
But this is the society we live in. We prefer spectacle over accuracy, which is why History and Science channel started airing reality shows and alien hunts.
The Metal Gamer This is why live debates seriously need teams of fact checkers and a collection of video clips and sources to back up what the debaters are saying in real time. It’s definitely not perfect or easy, but it’s a better way to keep some more legitimacy and integrity in these spectacles, even if a lot of people are watching just for the spectacle itself.
The Metal Gamer Exactly, another reason why Kylie Jenner and Cardi B celebrity gossip gets more attention than life threatening climate change.
That guy was a horrible moderator. Just letting Charlie Kirk ramble on and on and on.
If you look at past debates, Charlie has dealt with moderators COMPLETELY against him and let Charlie’s opponent keep “rambling” however Charlie kept on utilizing facts, Kyle used feelings to prove his point, which didn’t prove them. Politics is facts, not feelings. Ben Shapiro has even stated when he talks to his wife “do you want me to make you feel better or do you want me to help your problem” I’m paraphrasing.
Brother Tracy Stone I’ll ask you the same thing these guys ask every socialist, show me a country where it GENUINELY work. The do have a passion, to speak truth and show how the left and mainstream media are tearing up this country. Charlie has more viable facts and stated more truth in his debate that Kyle ever could. Also, Ben’s statement was for people with money. As for people with no money, it ain’t that hard to fix yourself if you are a hard working person, obey the law, and are a productive member of society. There’s a farm in Alabama looking for anyone willing to actually work, and you’re paid a fair wage. Or do like me and join the military. Thats capitalism. You do this for me and I do this for you. It’s one of the strongest economic systems and we’ve survived for years with.
Brother Tracy Stone with capitalism a man can start a small business and rise to higher lengths are because of capitalism. People can say no to the jobs offered if they don’t agree with the wages or if they don’t agree with the corporate policy. Those points about slavery and theft and regime changes are null now considering how much America has changed since those times. America’s economy is growing exponentially due to capitalism. Also don’t use an argument of authority in debate, a man can graduate from high school and have a higher understanding of economics than you do. The facts empirically show that capitalism is a more prosperous economic stand point than socialism.
Brother Tracy Stone I’m a sailor in the Navy. A sonar technician, I can explain how sound travels through the ocean yet my cousin who is 15 understands and defines the physics of it better than anyone at my command. He doesn’t have authority in the subject. Same can be applied in every subject, plus tell me. Did your professors deliberately try to prove a point socialism was better? Did they push their own agendas? Plenty of my teachers tried that crap while I was growing up. I trust capitalism because it’s a genuine system. You start from the bottom, buy certain things to bring up your system, hire workers (WHO HAVE CHOSEN THEIR JOB BY CHOICE), and take the chance to go bankrupt. If the workers are unhappy they can quit and find a better paying job. I believe in the freedom capitalism gives. How is socialism better? You’ve keep saying it is, give me the between differences of it.
Brother Tracy Stone Brother Tracy Stone our division officer does have a degree in oceanography. And he was surprised that someone so young knew more about the subject and could do more with it than he could. What I’m getting at is even if you have a degree, that doesn’t make you an expert. Also yes, politics is facts not feelings, I’m not conceding to your point of view. You wanna fix something, you gotta go through the hard times to do it. Even when the facts hurt your soft heart. They’re using facts to prove themselves correct while the left uses feelings, saying stuff they believe but can’t back up. Hell the other day I was called a racist because I said the engineers on my ship weren’t that much farther than monkeys on the evolutionary ladder. And the one black guy in their group started making it a race thing. It wasn’t, it was about their intelligence and their rowdiness. But they felt it was a racist thing when it wasn’t even remotely toward the mans race. He just went off his feelings. Facts are truth the liberals don’t want to listen to. And as for capitalism, it doesn’t promote law breaking or poverty. It promotes privately owned businesses and companies or any other working areas. I worked on a farm back home, with my grandfather. He worked hard most of his adult life before and after his time in the Korean War. He went from 45 acre field, to 500 acres. We had investors from our community and it grew exponentially. We even brought people OUT of poverty. We even hired some homeless people, let them stay in the barn for the first 3 months so they could build up enough money to get a small place then capitalize on it. To grow and be better. But none of that would’ve been done without the investors from our community for us to be able to purchase the extra land, rent the harvesting equipment, pay the workers, etc. my grandfather still works on the farm, and we haven’t had to worry about eating for 15 years. We were in poverty before we got our farm going. I literally spent days in the woods hunting for my families next meal. Capitalism got us OUT!!! Now you tell me college boy, you say we suffer under it? WHERE THE HELL HAVE YOU SUFFERED!? Have you ever had to go into the woods in pain because you hadn’t eaten for 4 days, hadn’t seen a damn thing in the woods. Tracking, following, crying, and finally you see a deer, not a big one, but not a small one. Enough to feed us for 3 more days. But within the second day you’re already back in the woods before your family starts to get hungry again. We got out of poverty due to capitalism. We never broke the law to grow where we have. We never exploited anyone, we gave the homeless places to sleep, and eventually places to live.
The "moderator" was about as useful as a cardboard cutout.
At least Kyle could have beaten the NAZI fuck with a cardboard cutout. This moderator with his occasional "let's move on" after letting the NAZI spew out 10 lies a minute was a bad joke.
@@eclecticguy7065 nazi really
@@eclecticguy7065 I don't like Kirk but calling him a Nazi? Really? He's a corporate neocon.
@Capone Jones Kirk talkled 30min, Kyle 18min
@@WarningBFG-isHiring Corporate neo-cons basically are Nazis, there's no practical difference.
Did he say Trump "made his money from nothing?"
Jesus Christ, the poor guy is delusional.
Exactly. He made his money by suing and exploiting people and putting in no extra effort whatsoever.
*small loan intensifies*
PARIS FUCKING HILTON was more successful than Donnie Dump!
socialists are also delusional!
kirk was saying that Trump was not as rich as he is now.... hence "from nothing" phrase
@@pat8437 very judgemental, just like a socialist.
someone is evil because you assume that they are evil, with no evidence
Charlie always talks like that in debates. He always rehearses arguments with 3 minute monologues with the assumption that the person he is debating is always an establishment Democrat.
Which is why he lost, yes. That's not a debate.
Kirk did amazing in this debate. Kyle couldn’t keep his emotions in check or remain respectful
Ajax 4Life I actually watched the debate Charlie addressed the concerns with logic the other just shouted wrong and gave emotional pleas
Ajax 4Life wow you assume I am stupid because I don’t agree with you. Ok how do you measure intelligence. If it is by degrees no I do not have one as I have chosen to serve my country for 17 years and am working towards degrees in psychology. You may have those degrees. Good for you it doesn’t make my point and different. Charlie articulates his response and Kyle made emotional pleas accusing the other person of basically being disingenuous. What would’ve the long term effects of cutting regulations allowing economic growth and curbing the breaking of law. Oh yeah that is success. We can disagree and not insult each other it is beneath your and my dignity to not politely engage in civil discourse. Have a nice night.- Ssgt Chamberlain
christopher CHAMBERLAIN Kyle proved Kirk factually wrong while Kirk complained about principles of the free market and why people should be able to do things . Kyle stated facts that trump is letting the rich get richer and poor get poorer and Kirk couldn’t combat that point of why should the rich get richer . He couldn’t even make a single good point. This is my favorite debate and it astounds me that people think Kirk won
"Jeff Bezos and I have an average net worth of $50 billion." Kyle wins
Isn’t Bezos hated by the Democratic Party due to his wealth and how people claim he treats his workers? How does that make Kyle win? I’m just genuinely curious
@@mitchelllittle126 Because it means he completely destroyed Charlie
Dan B 0809 ok let me be more specific, how much you’re worth ain’t crap. How does Kyle win? Considering how Charlie actually held more valid statements than Kyle and didn’t even have to go to college to be where he is. Kyle continued to use feelings more than facts. Just like you are right now, you’re using your dislike for Charlie to make a stupid statement instead of thinking “this really doesn’t matter in a debate. They’re competing in a debate and their personal status shouldn’t have any place in this debate”
@@mitchelllittle126 Charlie brought up averages, and Kyle destroyed him by proving that they were irrelevant.
@@DanB-sh3wt he should at least use the median figure, that is a bit more telling. Or geometric mean rather than arithmetic mean :).
Kirk: Oh please, name one example.
Kyle: Names an example.
Kirk: Well we can go back and forth like this forever lets move on.
almost all of kyle shit was debunked
@@art-gx7qp like what lol
@@art-gx7qp
Examples? Or are you aware of your delusion and only protest out of tribalism?
@@art-gx7qp You are stupid.
@@art-gx7qp
Idk what video you watched, but Kyle did all the debunking.
_"the constitution says our rights come from god, not from government..."_
*Actually nowhere to be found in the constitution.*
Actually it does what do you think “endowed by our creator” means?
@@theconservativemua4465 That's The Declaration of Independence, not the US Constitution.
@@theconservativemua4465 You've.. never read the constitution have you
@@theconservativemua4465 LOL someone just faceplanted hard.
Endowed by our Creator? What are you missing?
If anyone else was as bad at their job as this moderator, they would be fired.
I feel he did a great job. He let Kyle stop Kirk's bullshit every time
@@screamityeah truue
I think should have reigned Charlie in a bit when he was cutting into Kyle's time and going on monologues.
@@DaWozzMan but Kyle stopped him. Called his bs and the moderador was fine with that. This was like a free format where they could stop each other most of the time.
@@screamityeah No, there were quite a few times where he tried to get Kyle to move on when he was making a point that destroyed Kirks.
"We're seeing an economic Renaissance under President Trump."
This sentence didn't age well.
Right? Trump had nearly 4 years to prepare for a pandemic. His “strong economy” was just a house of cards that blew away with the slightest breeze.
@@markmirabella4066 A house of cards that many of us knew was gonna collapse at any point.
If it were Bernie sanders handling it we would have a higher mortality rate because how in effective public healthcare is
@@juaquingomez2936 Other first world nations who have a version of single payer healthcare say you're full of shit.
@@juaquingomez2936 lol even poor Asian countries are doing better than America with the pandemic
Charlie Kirk isn't even worth 5 minutes of Kyle's time.
IDK 5 minutes at Kirk's desired $7.00 minimum wage is only $0.58, maybe there's a chance.
I loved everything about this video. So Amazing watching the MAGAts throw their best out there and Fail Miserably
Then why did Kyle get caught out several times where he couldnt even refer to any facts or evidence to back his opinions. Charlie destroyed him. You know when people start making jokes they can't compete and have no comebacks. Kyle did it several times he reverted to comedy when he got stuck
@@native307 how many times did Charlie get stuck for words ? How many times did he not respond with facts ? Kyle got stuck several times when he couldnt back his opinions with facts and had to cover his ass my making jokes..
@@Ozfreerider2504 Roughly 2/3 of Earth's surface is covered by oceans. Anyone can name facts, but that means jack shit if they aren't relevant to the argument. Whenever Kirk couldn't support his position with facts, he reverted to libertarian "big government bad" nonsense or talking about black unemployment.
Charlie: When you become president, are you just supposed to follow the Constitutional Law?
YES!
Syd Hamelin that moment was when Charlie lost the debate. There was no coming back from that level of stupidity.
No way did he actually say that
Surely not even Smallface is that fucking stupid
What a fucking unbearable strawman Kyle is. Conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory without any proof. Ucrania, Trump said nothing wrong but he is guilty just because its "obvious" he is, Saudi Arabia Trump has 4 billions but he would be corrupted by 0.3 million just because, and jared that was always rich made deals of 83 million like in all previous years and Kyle says "see??" What and unbearable conspiracy theory twat
@@jccgold ok .... 🙂
Conservatives never gave a shit about the constitution.
Why does Politicon keep inviting this moderator back? He’s so terrible.
Because he is the owner
He keeps staring at Charlie like he is trying to figure out if his face is small or his skull is big for the whole hour.
States the rule "No talking over each other please". Proceeds to let them talk over each other the whole debate without saying a word. Weak!
actually thats the way a moderator SHOULD be, moderator should just make sure each point is being made
Actually, the moderator let it run itself when it was flowing well. It's just that both speakers were in their own 'sync' and so why disrupt it. It was respectful debate where both saids said and asked and debated ALL the things we're debating between one another. It was incredible. A moderator trying to take control would have ruined it.
It's clear that one is used to debates and one is used to giving speeches.
More like one knows how to debate with facts and the other starts cursing because he doesnt have any
@Brent 21 What was an alternative fake fact?
@@jackmanhireiii lol charlie is a literal human copy and paste 🤣🤣
Kyle isn't the best at Debates. As much as people around here are siding with him because they agree, as far as a debate goes, Kyle looks like he's lost here.
This isn't because Charlie is right, it's just because he comes off more reasonable and has loquaciously provided (and stuck to) "facts".
In a debate, you've got to be aware of disingenuous techniques - here, namely gish galloping on Charlie's side. You've got to call this out and force them to stay on one topic and when they don't, call them out on kicking the can down the road or moving goal posts.
Kyle may have complained that Charlie talked a lot but he didn't specifically call out why gish galloping is a disingenuous tactic. So instead he comes off looking like he's got barely anything to respond, because he only has time to respond to one fact at a time. So he comes off looking like he lost on all other counts of what Charlie says.
@@kuro2797 Sadly I agree. Kyle just isn't used to debates and he frankly doesn't care for it. It shows and him being emotional was his weakest point here. If he's going to do more debates he should follow some training.
But don't get your hopes up, because he's said time and again he only does this sparingly and for fun.
This is the worst moderated debate ever. Charlie got to ramble for 10 minutes to every 1 minute Kyle had.
And I think that actually hurt Kyle in the debate performance because I don't think Kyle addressed every single issue. I'm very curious with Charlie Kirk's audience thought of this debate cuz I am sure they probably thought it went well for him. And if both sides think it went well is there actually a winner?
@@PersianMichael I'm a conservative and the way Kyle framed the debate was the reason why he won, Kirk was always on the defending side, but he did hold up more than I thought he would, if Kirk sticked to "I'm a libertarian and I'm consistent with that for x, y, and z" and didn't try throwing baits at Kyle, then he would've been a lot more respected.
Because Kyle's responses had no content. Quick 1-liners, no substance.
@@PersianMichael there doesnt always have to be a winner in a debate. The point is to open up dialogue and bring to light topics that someone may have not known about. It gives people that only hears one side of an argument hear the opposing and maybe they will question and research for themselves.
@@coolsupercoolmario Well then I'm glad that he was able to appear to be effective in your opinion. Would you say Kyle has made you more willing to view opinions of the left? And because Charlie Kirk spoke so much, do you think he gained support from this debate?
Charlie Kirk changes the subject everytime Kyle destroys his argument.
Objectively I felt Charlie won
which arguments did kyle destroy?
In terms of speaking time, yeah Charlie got to talk so much more than Kyle.
Charlie was spitting out facts, evidence, arguments while Kyle was acting like a fool trying to be a comedian.
That’s what we call “changing the goalpost” lol
I just wanna say this because Charlie just made this up. In Kaepernick’s final season he threw 16 touchdowns and 4 interceptions
It amazes me how easily kirk lies out of his asshole/mouth. holy shit.
When you lie so much for so long, it becomes like second nature to just lie as default, even if the truth were to be 2x easier.
Lying is all he knows, not surprising coming from a TPUSA stooge.
He was overly safe with the ball though. Raw stats like that aren't everything when it comes to football.
Fuck that's true... I just looked that up - can we get a fact check on everything else he (Charlie) spewed??
@@MichaelCoonrad Isn't that a good thing that he's overly safe with the ball? Imagine a good team who's starting QB went down (which happened many times this season). Wouldn't that kind of QB be ideal in that situation?
Charlie Kirk: "I worship Trump."
There, I summed up the entire debate.
he is the worst simp ever
@@axios7603
He personally knew Trump. I remember him making posts at the White House during the election.
I can't think of a single thing he said that indicates him worshiping Trump.
You worship brainwashing
@klh768 everything that he said was about worshipping Trump and pretend that Trickle-down economic works
Kirk wasn’t there to have an open minded discussion. He was there to say his talking points as fast as possible
I swear most of these conservative commentators talk like they've ripped a fat line of meth nowadays.
Of course, he is with “Talking Points America”
PatrickCervantez They go by the “I talk fast so I must be smart” idea like Squeaky Benjamin
I’m yet to see a conservative commentator that believes a word they say. It seems like they’re all grifters. People on the left seem to have more of a conscience and sincere desire to help others in comparison.
Seemed like he was also on stimulants, anyone else think that?
44:35 Charles: “are you just supposed to sell your assets???”
Kyle: “YES!!”
Video posted 5 minutes ago:
You, already 40 minutes in:
Wait a minute
@@Levixne Corin live-streamed the debate lol.
He's not supposed to sell tho.....
And the crowd goes wild.
Jimmy Carter had to sell his fucking PEANUT FARM because people thought it might've been used to facilitate corruption! So YES, this is a clear principle!
45 minutes of Kirk filibustering... this "debate" sucked
I agree, but god damn Kyle did have his moments. 38:57 was borderline legendary
@@ccgm_harpy thanks for that mate.
Kirk is garbage.
Piero godly ngl
@@evanaesthetic yeah, similar to how Kulinski said "identity politics" in the beginning without tackling Charlie's points. If you want to go that way, we can go on and on...
Colin Kaepernick got the idea to kneel after speaking to service members about his idea to protest. His original plan was to sit down during the anthem and they suggested that instead he should kneel the way that they do for their fallen brothers. To say that Colin Kaepernick was disrespecting veterans with his protests is factually incorrect.
I love love love your comment, and that you took the time to make this incredibly important and 100% true point. I wish Kyle had spoken to this when he responded to Kirk's pathetic and worn-out argument that Kaepernick was unpatriotic and disrespectful to our veterans. Same old tired fox news/trump loop. Kirk does not think for himself, he parrots others and has no ability for deeper reflection on the issues.
Yep. The crocodile tears over CK kneeling is just about out-and-out racism and leveraging that in national politics. Tell them that Muhammed Ali refused to be inducted into the Army, made all kinds of public statements and visible protests against our actions in Viet Nam. They either don't know this fact or to them that is so far in the past and Ali is dead now that they don't care that it's relevant.
@@crowdedcrow3098 It’s to an extent purposefully understated.
@@SurelyYewJest it's funny because kap was just an average player at best and now he has huge clout because of these butthurt morons who don't understand his protest to begin with.
And no disrespect to the man. Being an average NFL starting quarterback is an incredible athletic accomplishment. Could've kept improving too had he not gotten black balled.
No, he kneeled because Blaine Gabbert took his job 🤣 just like any defunct actor or musician, a soon as the calls stop coming in they're an activist
Charlie: *talks for 13 days straight*
Kyle: *says three words*
Charlie's entire "argument": *F L O P*
Yesss..it doesn't take long for kyle to make you look fucking stupid and that was obviously important for this debate since he was only given a short amount of time to respond. I also like how Charlie pretended to agree with some things so he didnt look completely thoughtless and cult like.
Also..the moderator seemed to be giving Charlie heart eyes the whole time. If he loves him so much why doesn't he marry him?
if you don't know anything , in just by judging its appearance charlie won by his quick smooth articulate talk. kyle look like he lost his cool. charlie is pretty close to right in most things he said but like kyle pointed out that he left out trump in doing the same thing and trying to fill in some other bullshit reasons. one thing for sure the white's racecard is a very strong card to play for the republican hand, incase you liberals don't know that if you keep screaming racism, they will win. we still make up 65% here in USA vs 8% of the world.
@@Trip_Ts dude ... What?
There's a serious dose of irony for you, claiming that Charlie won the debate through his "articulateness" in your incoherent mess of a comment
@@Trip_Ts the fuck you saying?
I wish Kyle was getting more talking time, I feel like for every minute he gets, Kirk gets five.
Yep It felt more like 15 nin
Kirk takes five
Yeah Charlie Kirk Gish Galloped the fuck out of this debate. Unfortunately there wasn't really much Kyle could do about this short from directly calling it out. This is where the moderator should have come in, but the moderator did nothing.
Kyle was correct that the moderator didn't even need to be there because it was as if he wasn't there already. Although if there was any influence in this debate the moderator had it was completely negative as the moderator would move on from one topic to the next robbing Kyle of his opportunity to respond to certain nonsensical claims made by Charlie.
@@joshhill212 Yeah, the moderator was sh*t. I hope they get a better moderator next time
I suppose Kirk is in home territory, right?
After watching this, I can now see why Kyle says he can’t stand doing these debates, especially against hacky right-wingers, who stick to their bullshit talking points. Ben Shapiro is the same way.
All they do is give their long ass monologues, and frame everything from a Trump/GOP vs Democrats perspective, when Kyle is consistently critical of Democrats, and can’t stand them. Kirk just spends the entire debate blowing Trump and talking about how amazing he is.
No wonder Kyle started to get so pissed off about halfway through, because Charlie Kirk is absolutely a hack (which Kyle was nice enough not to call him earlier), and just sticks to his predictable script, whereas Kyle speaks off the cuff, because he’s not a robot.
I think that first part of your comment is the reason why conservatives are effective in a debate, because they're pushing an agenda that people can come out with as "the right wing doesn't sound as bad as x, y, and z the left wing does".
But the problem is that people like Charlie Kirk don't realize that Kyle will not fall for or dispute anything indisputable, and that makes Kirk look bad.
What makes Kyle and a few other left wingers good is that they know what to attack right wingers on and Kirk does not like to admit when he's wrong or doesn't sound good.
Right Wingers know they can Lie non stop because their Base is fucking Retarded. They don't care about facts. Just their echo chamber talking points.
no evidence, no data, incomplete facts all the time. literally the only thing they do is repeat the same talking points. it goes from the top with the wealthiest right wing elites and their bullshit talking points all the way down to the ignorant supporters sitting on their ass on the internet believing everything they see or hear from people with more money and power (then they turn around and act like they aren't sycophants and bootlickers). I mean, it's not even an exaggeration that they literally just have what seems like a chain of rhetoric and talking points that they have to complete without giving any further explanation or context or detail. it's like the Scandinavia stuff. on one hand they aren't socialist, then on the other hand the good things they do that we want here in the US are socialist. then when that doesn't work, they go to "well they have higher taxes therefore it sucks". then they go to "well they're homogeneous and they're all the same race so..." whatever that means. they will literally spew out a chain of talking points right after each other
Completely agreed.
Kapernick had 16 touchdowns and 4 interceptions in his last year. Charlie twists it to fit his narrative
@Sean McFarland 4:1 is not horrible. Nathan Petermen threw 5 ints on 15 total passes. Colin would’ve had a backup job had he not protested
Nah! That's just "Conservatism" lol
@Sean McFarland Shut up bro. You don’t know anything about football. 16 TD and 4 INT is a phenomenal TD/INT ratio. I’m not a fan at all of Kaepernick but you don’t know what you’re talking about.
@@saulgoodman4953 Kaepernick got those stats you mentioned during garbage time and late season games. You know nothing and that's why you were low iq enough to even try with them.
Watch Trubisky. Flat throws that get picked off and limited accuracy. Kaepernick is the same.
Kaepernick had better legs but he wasn't good for a second once Harbaugh knew he was leaving SF.
Kaepernick saw this just as anyone else who understands football saw this. He became 3rd string overnight because he kinda stinks.
Its obvious he got blackballed but it's also obvious after the Baltimore fiasco and his tryout that kaepernick had taken martyr status willingly and the left can't sort it out. It's too complicated to see apparently.
Those high iq lefties at it again.
@@DaleGribble1 I didn’t say kaepernick was good. I said that his TD/INT ratio was good. Big difference.
This dude doesn’t debate. He talks with no point.
Im with ya...He talks with a lot of right wing points, which had no point..lol
I found myself going, "yes,......AAAAAAND!!!
Yeah, Kyle does this a lot. He blurts out wrong, then switches subjects to avoid answering the questions.
@@thekma3476 Ah yes, the classic "Kyle is wrong but I won't explain how he's wrong"
@@kneesnap1041
I was merely agreeing with the comment feed idiot.
This wasn't even a debate it was more like just Charlie Kirk giving a speech. Seriously how come he had endless time to say whatever he wanted?
Moderator was impressed with him I feel
the moderator sucked
@@holysecret2 Impressed, biased there is a lot of more words to describe it.
Non-existent moderator
The moderator thought he was being paid to sit there and listen to Charlie talk.
I feel like Charlie Kirk is a person who likes the sound of his own voice
He just knows that if Kyle gets to speak, he makes sense. And the more Kyle speaks, the more sense he makes, and then Charlie Kirk's straw-men go up in flames before he can beat them up.
You'll notice that a significant portion of the arguments Kirk made were targeted at the kind of leftist (specifically, Democrat) that Kyle is not. That's because he knows Kyle is likeable; so he needs to make him look like an identitarian, and the only way he can do that, is to prevent Kyle from being able to speak at any kind of length at all, and keep lobbing straw-man arguments at every opportunity.
Yes! That delightful voice comingno out of that tiny gorgeous face...
As opposed to Kyle who does a near-daily show where he’s the only one speaking? Kinda goes with the territory, don’t you think?
@benmcfee, You’re overthinking it. Kirk was just using standard talking points. Reciting past speeches. Stuff that Kyle should have researched and had immediate and specific rebuts for. Now I agree with Kyle’s positions, but he didn’t represent our side well here. He clearly did not come in this prepared.
Kirk must have practiced his speeches like mad at home while Kyle just showed up to see how he is doing.
Charlie: "Could you imagine people with MAGA hats beating journalists in the streets?"
Kyle in 2021: "No, but I can imagine them storming the capital trying to murder politicians."
a bunch of hippies trespassing doesn't constitute as attempt murder.
You think hippies were behind an act of violence and insurrection on behalf of Trump? Do you hear yourself right now? Hippies for Trump? LOL
lol people who stormed the Capitol were unarmed. Some fucking coup that was
@@dustywagon298 yes they fucking were dude.
@@finius.tbirdpocket3603Lol. January 6th. Also Dems. Support rioting and looting for 5 months of BLM and Antifa.
"Thank you for inviting me to the Charlie Kirk monologue hour."
I was literally getting heated for Kyle! This was ridiculous.
Not Charlie's fault Kyle doesn't know to how to fight in a debate. Bring someone better.....Hasan did better that's saying a lot. Oh and Cenk wasn't here to save Kyle 😕
CABdosdos very good point
@@CaBdosdos LMFAO. That must be some good stuff you're smoking. Too bad those of us who live in the real world know that Kyle bitchslapped the clown.
CABdosdos Kyle is way better than Hasan but Charlie is better at these style debates overall.
@@CaBdosdos The few times Kyle spoke, he beat the brakes off of Charlie's ass. He repeatedly exposed Charlie's hypocrisy and the constant use of skewed statistics, like using "averages" to avoid talking about how little the poor received in tax cuts vs. the rich.
All he did was filibuster to prevent Kyle from speaking.
Conservative “intellectuals” are one track talking point npc bots
Conservatives do this.
Kyle had little to reference when spoken to, this is often a result of being wrong on so many levels.
The Fox news strategy.
This should be called “an hour of Kirk going on a rant and forgetting he’s in a debate”
IT'S A DEBATE YOU MORON!
You have no idea what types of communication exist and thus, you're the standard low IQ America (and evil ignorant leftist), -- only reproduce white children please.
Wow.
@@GnolomwebWhen you have grown up and have developed a vocabulary and some human decency, please feel free to bump your gums. Until then you are just another uneducated Trumpanzee stomping his feet and having a hissy fit because your "president" has proven himself to be a liar, a criminal and a sexual predator and is about to be impeached. I'm off for more popcorn, the fun bit is about to begin.
@@Raakiszh IKR. He's a special kind of asshole.
@@vicsomeone Haha you're so triggered. What a fool!
"You only see political violence on one side -- on the left"
Well that aged like fine milk
everything a right winger says will eventually age like milk. it will always happen, you just need to give it time
@William Jefferson Colin only a nigga named William Jefferson would say that dumb ass shit lmao
@William Jefferson Colin can you show me the entire city that was destroyed? and can you also show me when the left attacked the Capitol? thanks!
Seems like Jefferson is on some kind of ‘substance’ thinking people caused the “destruction and burning of whole cities”
@William Jefferson Colin actually i could challenge the substance but you'd still be trapped in your bubble and unable to accept different views anyways, so the effort would have been wasted, and saying what i said was gonna be too funny to not
lol Charlie Kirk saying with a straight face that a family of 4 making the median family income saw a 58% reduction in taxes
... my family never mentioned that. Hmm
I'm a single male with no kids, my tax rate went up 5% under the Trump "tax cuts". State taxes can no longer be used as a deduction.
Furthermore, the tariffs are a tax but for some reason Republicans are okay with a tax increase as long as you don't call it that. Only the farmers, I hear fuming about them but not for the tax increase but the loss to their business. Charlie Kirk can be described as mostly gas lighting this whole "debate" which all he did was use a platform to get out his talking points many of which are easily debunked by simply taking his quotes and putting it into a google search.
Charlie Kirk is a master debater. All he does is talk so much he puts his opponent to sleep.
I see what you did there 😏
You can tell Kyle has his own ideas and opinions. Kirk is playing for a team.
Nah he just can't defend the lefts lunacy lol
@@wanded Not really anything Kyle said was lunacy? He's pointing out the double standards conservatives give to people on "their team"
His position on taxes and foreign policy are not unpopular either. Not really "lunacy"
@@wanded unless I misunderstand what you're saying
@@Consume_Crash Where did i say anything kyle said was lunacy?
kyle is also playing for a team, he says he is on the left and he says he supports bernie sanders, him coming out against obama means NOTHING now, where was he in his EIGHT years of presidency? where were the media? where were all the so called "non partisans"? yea thought so, nowhere to be found.
So sorry, but his "i'm my own guy with my own ideas" facade doesn't mean shit when he never showed any real push against the democrats he apparently "disagrees with on many issues" and kirk addressed this point at the end about kyle being a hypocrite, he has no real standard, kyle is pro big government on the shit he wants and against it when he doesn't care, kyle is left and a democrat when it's about things he cares about but when it's about things he can't defend like identity politics he's suddenly "an independent", how fucking convenient.
Until i see kyle fighting the notions he doesn't agree with on the left (identity politics, which bernie took part in btw), he's a hypocrite.
people aren't defined by what they are for, they are defined by what they are against, and kyle at no point showed he is against identity politics other than empty words and lip service.
@@wanded I actually agree with a lot of what you said, I'll just give my 2 cents in a couple areas.
1) I disagree with the notion that you have to be black and white on a position of 100% pro big government, or 100% against big government. I think he and others are right when they say it depends on what areas you're talking about for whether or not "big government" is necessary.
2) I don't watch his show as much anymore, but he's been pretty consistent about being against identity politics when Democrats use it. So it's not just something he used as a tactic to get out of an argument he can't win in this debate (assuming that's what you're implying). He's also been consistent about his criticism with Obama and lays them out cohesively in his Obama Presidency Report Card video
“You don’t see Trump supporters being violent”
That did not age well Charlie...
Democrats: a year of total destruction
Republicans: one day
Kenosha
@@justsomeguy6336You're utterly braindead 😂
Charlie Kirk: Trump is good, I will never criticize daddy trump.
Quigle- Dorf except over Israel, drug decriminalization, Russia, not being aggressive enough in the debates, a job guarantee...
@Quigle- Dorf He does, nice try though.
Messin Around maybe Bernie doesn't support BDS because it's wrong and immoral
Quigle- Dorf foh with that just cause Kyle didn’t criticize bernie during the debate doent mean he hasn’t criticized Bernie ever... if you watch his show he’s done it quite a few time possibly more than other progressive talk shows. But they agree on many things so it’s not like it happens often. It also makes sense Charlie doesn’t criticize Trump often but Kyle’s point was valid af, because Charlie criticizes Biden, and Clinton for the same thing Trump does while at the same time making it seem like there isn’t any proof about trump doing it while there is more evidence against trump than Biden or Clinton. At least Kyle will criticize all of them and not pick and choose
@Michael Cristian Lmfao
Get you a girl that looks at you the way the moderator does at Charlie
That sounds like the complaint of a bad loser
@@seanie002 fuck off Kyle kicked his ass and considerably fewer words
@@thescopedogable True and imagine what could have happened if Kyle had gotten a word in, I think the moderator got mad when he was told by Kyle that the two didn't need him so then he didn't step in when Charlie Gish galloped for an hour.
@seanie002 your comment on the level of a Trump tweet
Lol the whole time he's like, "You okay, sweetie?"
That moderator needs to get fired. 95% of this debate is Kirk yapping
His Yap is equivalent to a Fap cause it sure isnt a debate going on. He's alone ranting onto his own ego.
@@Daniea3 A fap would have ended and stayed on point. He doesn't - he just keeps talking 😂
@LindaLeeYou 123! Doing so would look bad. The whole point of debate is to look good. This is why Kyle hated debate in the past since it's all altitude (WWE of intellectual retardation) and not about bringing substantial points. Kyle only started to do POLITICON cuz his fan convinced him and he realized more reasonable people are showing up.
What the fuck why does he talk constantly give Kyle his god damn turn
@@annettemacdonald9192 lol ok Jeb!
I love how Charlie Kirk talks for 10 million hours and Kyle just dismantles whatever he says in 10 seconds 😂
Only he didn't. Not a single time. Unless you count temper tantrums and arguing his own opinion instead of facts as "dismantling "
Jason Stevens here's the "facts over feelings guy" that doesnt know what he's talking about lol
@@ttfno4923 Clearly i know much more than you do on the subject since Kyle did not in one instance prove wrong ANYTHING Kirk said.
Jason Stevens stop being a troll lmao😂
Ehhh I think Kyle won overall bc some of Kirks points werent so great but a lot of the time Kyle only responded with emotion, mistook his words, or had his point rebutted right after
Charlie says 49 dumb points in his monologue responses.
Moderator: Alright, Kyle, in as few words as possible, please respond.
Debunk 1 thing he said I’ll wait
@@DevinToups "Just because someone got rich does not mean anyone got poor" ... Do I even need to give an explanation?
@@DevinToups Obama managed an average of 2% growth and decreasing deficits while trump can only do it with a trillion dollar deficit.
@@DevinToups "our rights come from god"
Devin Toups When he said Trump wasn’t corrupt and taking 300k isn’t a big deal
"Jeff Bezos and I have an average net worth of $50 billion" lmaoo
#MakeAmericaThinkHarder
Thomas Tucker that was a strong point, but so was kirk’s ‘$1000 in 80m american’s pocket’.
Johnny Murillo ofcocourse! 80m families makes since the talking point likely relates to the doubling of child tax credit (from 1k to 2k)
Thomas Tucker that’s why you don’t average 2 people, moron!!!
Signed first grader math!!!
“Thank you for to inviting me to the Charlie Kirk monologue night.” 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Cuz it didn't seem like a debate. The moderator didn't distribute equal time and Kirk just went on and on with his hacky mouthpieces. There were LITTLE to NONE debates.
@@hansonwinx7843 When Kyle did get to talk he was usually straight and to the point. Unlike Charlie that went on and on with a bunch of word salad talking points that weren't completely honest.
@@peterboissonnault8445 While true, it still is the job of the moderator to distribute equal talk time so you don't have the sense that one side talks way much more at the end (i.e. recall this debate afterward and see whose voice rings in your head). If one side takes too much time to make a point, the moderator should either stop that side or encourages the opposite side to be more engaged. You can see Kyle saw this mid-debate and that moderator realized it too, but he chose to do nothing, knowing Kyle couldn't complain cuz it would look bad. The moderator took rose money confirmed.
@@hansonwinx7843 That is true, the more one side gets to talk the more likely people might think they have a legitimate argument. Even if that argument is hacky and misleading.
Hanson Winx I added clap emojis cause I applaud Kyle for calling that bullshit out. I agree with the comments here.
The fact that Charlie can't fault Trump on a single THING is truly disturbing.
What has Trump done wrong then?
@@DingleDangle66 Lol
He can’t bite the hand that feeds him. Charles doesn’t believe the things he’s saying. Well, he’s uneducated.
@@KarlMarxFanClub I guarantee you would be destroyed in a debate.
@@DingleDangle66 Spreading lies about election fraud? Inciting violence? Stealing classified documents? Ring any bells?
Kyle "I'm not calling you a hack" kulinski really revealed that guy to be a hack
ya but its sweeter when you don't have to call him one but let him prove, publicly, that he is one.
@@jarbuthn CORRECT!
Kyle calls out the Democrats and Republicans . Charlie ONLY calls out Democrats but neverrr Republicans or his daddy Trump. Did you even watch the debate ?
@@gumerzambrano did you even read what i wrote?
@@lebeer13 oh shit my bad dude 😂
"Jeff Bezos and I have an average net worth of 50 billion dollars" is my favorite line by far
Jess Schallenberg I'm using this line...
Wasn't the statistic about the average MIDDLE CLASS income ?
Well net worth is not only liquid money but everything you own minus what you owe.
The moderator needs to be fired. He let one person speak endlessly.
To be fair, when it was Kyle’s turn to talk, he’d make a snarky question and throw it back to Charlie. That’s not the moderator’s fault.
chrlpolk thanks for pointing that out. This comments section is insane.
All you biased commenters on here really need to be honest and not blame the moderator out of convenience. Your bro Kyle (EVERY TIME) chose to just make a couple comments, act theatrical, say something snarky, then end it there.
But it's the moderator' s fault right? Or it's Charlie's fault for talking so much? Definately not because Kyle chose not say much...yeah...uh huh ok.
Charlie is a rambler, kyle is a point maker
It's more accurate to say that right-wingers - especially the CKs and BSs of the world - are Gish-gallopers. They throw out a million rehearsed "facts" daisy-chained together, points that are only "true" in the thinnest sense of objective consideration. Their goal is not to inform, it's to distort what's actually behind their claims by chumming the verbal waters with distractions uttered at such a rate and forcefulness that people are intended to be discouraged from questioning anything the right-winger says.
KK's strength is that he can counter with actual facts that have the backing of critical review, step outside his politics without appearing like he was just pushed into a pool of ice water, and jab with biting one-liners. The right gets anyone to the left of them so wrong all the time because right-wingers assume anyone not clearly in the right-wing politisphere thinks and acts in exactly the ways they do, but actively chooses to be blindly oppositional toward them. Which is why the right is currently engaging in pretty widespread verbal witch hunting based on the spectral evidence of simply using words to make a charge that someone is of the devil, is evil, is a pedophile, etc.
What points? Just cause you didn't like Charlie's points or check them don't make them wrong or rambling.
@@who0icu812 Charlie didn’t have a single valid point lmao
I noticed he started talking nonstop as it went on trying to fill up space to distract from the inconsistencies
No Kyle has no factual information or decent rebuttals… He brings zero facts to the debate… All he does is mock the other person rather than have an intelligent speaking point
"Debates are the WWE of intellectual pursuits" -Kyle Kulinski
I want to disagree with him on that, but then you watch a debate like this and it's hard to call it anything else. "Charlie Kirk monologue hour"
Sean Morgan remember he only does this because his audience wants him to. It’s clear that a discussion format is better. For example the panel with Tomi.. debates are simply a show with roaring crowd
Yet he spent most of this debate trying to rile up the crowd and doing theatrics, which Charlie Kirk didn't do.
I guess that makes Kyle The Undertaker.
@@ClarkJosephKentJr it's not kyle's fault that Charlie has no personality, charm, or individual nature.
This video should be renamed: "Charlie Kirk rants and parrots right wing talking points incessantly while Kyle Kulinski listens and comments here and there."
HAHAHA
So true
Seriously though
Same with Ana and tomy laren. Tomy just spewed forth talking points and Ana actually had intelligent arguments.
Cry babies lost the debate!
One of the most poorly moderated debates I've ever seen in my life. Why was that guy even there?
Aaron Carlino it’s funny cuz Kyle was like “we don’t need you” and dude stfu 😂
I almost fell asleep during Charlies monologue
For almost 2/3’s of the debate, Kyle kept cutting his time short with snarky questions to Charlie. Don’t blame the moderator.
Aaron Carlino Exactly The Guy just sat there
Did you watch the Michael knowles one? The moderator was so biased.
Kyle is having fun. Kirk isn't a serious dude for him. Kyle and Ben would be a much better debate.
yea kyle is running circles
@Kira I watched both of them for sometime. Their debate would be interesting. Ben is fast talker and knows how to look "very logical". Kyle can shed lots of lights on some of Ben's "talking points".
Definitely
@Kira shapiro is pretty good at doing his thing. He is the type of guy that could sell half the country unicorns, even though they dont exist. It would be an awsome debate
Ben had already said no to debating Kyle because Kyle isn’t popular enough for him, he wants to debate well known college kids on campus with basic expertise in politics. Kyle vs Ben would be more interesting indeed thought, since Ben is the complete stark contrast to Kyle in every area of politics from economic to foreign policy. I can also hear Kyle tell Ben to slow down with his speech😂
Kirk: political violence only exists on 1 side.
Kyle: points out right wing terrorism.
Kirk: yeah but this guy! We can go back and forth all day!
What..?
Antifa IS far worse than mass shooters.
Antifa have motives and are people who are conscious about what they do, organized and funded.
Mass shooters can be anyone on the political spectrum with a mental disorder.
@@Allothersweretakenn Antifa is neither funded nor organised. And mass shooters who have manifestos detailing why they're killing seem to have a pretty clear motive to me.
Canned YumYum you clearly don’t know enough about what you’re talking about.
Steven crowder did an expose in the group on his channel.. they ARE organized and they DO prove motive., they even gave him an ice pick to stab people and mentioned someone bringing an ak 47... this is a group of people doing this and top of it all they conceal their face how much more pussy can you get? Look up where antifa originated from and their history and tell me it’s not a terrorist group.
Obviously you wouldn’t know that because you only ingest cnn news
You’re comparing group logic to individual logic....a person by themselves left with his own set of ideas, some of them do it for political leaning( Dayton shooter and maga hat shooter)wether it be left or right, some of them do it because they are born with developmental delays ( Nicolas Cruz) some because our TH-cam censorship(Nasim Najafi Aghdam ) some do it because they hate women, some of them do it because they’re simply tired of the world.
One does noticeably more damage because 1. Antifa wear masks so they can get away more often so they lack TV attention. And 2. Because mass shooters use guns and want the attention
Allothersweretaken you can actually join them just cover your body and join the „protest“ and than do whatever you want, even if you really don’t care about what they protest are protesting you can just go there and destroy things.
- EVERYONE CAN GO THERE
- THE PROTESTS ARE OPEN EVERYONE CAN SEE WHERE THE NEXT PROTEST WILL BE
- YOU DONT HAVE TO PAY FOR IT (except the transportation of course)
- JUST AS BY ANY OTHER DEMONSTRATION
Canned YumYum bruh can you even name the ones that had manifestos? How many of them? 1? 2?
Ur using one or two examples to prove points? Sheesh
Charlie Kirk: "I yield the rest of my time to Kyle"
Kyle starts to talk
Also Charlie Kirk: proceeds to talk over 90% of the time
IT'S A DEBATE YOU MORON!
You have no idea what types of communication exist and thus, you're the standard low IQ America (and evil ignorant leftist), -- only reproduce white children please.
@@patguitar01 Google: "4Types of communication" ... low IQ moron.
The last part was to trigger you racist Demonrat leftists so I can lol.
@@Gnolomweb you're not good at trolling
@@johnpliskin8759 yet you cry....
@@patguitar01 dude dont feed the trolls. this guy comments the same braindead comment everywhere lmao hes a troll and wont answer your questions bc he's pretty much too far gone. not worth the time or effort
Kirk just memorized talking points and repeated them over and over .
Pretty much what every Republican does. That's all they stand on. Very irritating
Oh no, he had them on a piece of paper. Chuck doesnt know shit other than he gets paid good so he loves being a Republican. I think half these idiots are hoping Trump will see them and hire them for being loyal.
Still doesn't make him wrong.
@@thekma3476 They don't realize that is what a debate is....
@@thedon98677
Lol, they like Kyle saying "wrong" then switching the subject to avoid answering the question is winning.
You all know Kyle won that debate!
This is hardly a debate when only one person is talking.
A Ghost Without a Past
It’s a prop for Charlie, and he failed.
I came for a debate not beat down. Charlie needed to say a lot otherwise it would be a rape scene.
That’s because Kyle kept coming up with snarky questions and throwing it back to Charlie, instead of using the time to make points. Kyle eventually complained, but he was the one causing it, never once did he say, “It’s my time to speak!” Because he relied too much on the strategy of trying to gotcha and hoping Charlie would talk himself into a hole, and unfortunately for his strategy, that didn’t happen.
And just regurgitating the same embarrassing propaganda he's rehearsed and spewed a million times. The man is fundamentally incapable of hearing or learning anything.
Kyle is a little shit bag.
Charlie: "So if you own foreign assets, do have to sell them?"
Kyle: *"YES!""*
Audience: *ROARS*
I agree with you it makes total sense why the audience roared for Kyle, but given that Kyle likely had the bigger audience there, you think he was actually able to convince any Charlie Kirk's fans to rethink their opinions?
Michael P. I agree that he should have stated it’s the law but he did expand upon this with his Carter peanut farm example.
@Cherry Kyle's debate performance was sloppy, he allowed Charlie to talk way too long and I don't think he was able to address all the points that was made. If you were somebody that was a moderate, and not a fan of either side yet, do you actually think that Kyle's performance would have gained more support?
@@PersianMichael Kirk was getting just about the same amount of applause as Kyle was, I think it was pretty even there
@@brittanyc3282 which proves my point I think. There were no winners and I think the ignorant would side with Kirk
Why does this guy keep going on and on about the black poverty rate when he doesn't give a damn about that stuff?
S Rhodes Easy. From watching that person expand and justify their position for an hour..
Charlie Kirk is paid obscene amounts by billionaires for every Republican Party talking point he says on camera.
@Quigle- Dorf Like what? Trumptards? You? Not worried.
A DWB? Not gonna lie, a little.
This debate is more like "How long can Charlie talk for, spouting his purely anti-democrat nonsense rather than actually debating..." he's just a robot...
He’s debating Kyle just isn’t saying anything back but a couple curses and a roast
@@cdg715 Dude Charlie was debating the imaginary democrats in his head Kyle refuted all his points and looked like he wasn't even trying