Cenk Uygur vs Tucker Carlson at Politicon 2018
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The country is in turmoil, and it can easily be argued that the establishment of both parties got us here. But under President Trump, does America stand a fighting chance of coming back from the brink? Tucker Carlson and Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks sit down to determine how we got here and if there’s any saving us!
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Can I produce a video that has sound that doesn't suck?
When you say immigrants commit less crime than natives you are ignoring the illegal ones which are 100% criminals by being here illegally.
A little bothered by the fact that they didn't shake hands at the end. It seemed like a civil debate until that point.
Hiring producers after you guys just cleaned house. Real dicky of you.
If you ever get rid of Ben, I will never watch again. Not that you care since you only want my money...but Ben leaves and my money leaves.
Audio guy needs to be sacked
Ik my ears hurt
Socialized audio
@@samplexample lmaooooo
Sacked or paid audio engineers are a petty bunch
I think we can all agree on that
Let’s agree the mic quality lost
How can Cenk manage to be wrong 100% of the time??? 😂
Practice, lots of practice.
Like you
Cuz he is retard
Not knowing what he's talking about like most of these libtards
Sitting here in 2023 as NYC throws high school students out of their historic school so it can be turned into apartments for illegals.
Excellent example of the left & right having a civil, genuine discussion. Hopefully this sort of thing will become more common.
who was left in this? Cenk has called himself a "capitalist" many a times! (as far as i know)
Oh boy, this comment aged so well🤣
Nah, bitch Tucker will go back to being the psychotic lying nerd that spews lies and propaganda on Fox “News.” He doesn’t even report news. He just delivers propaganda because Murdoch knows it has a fan base and advertisers pay him well.
@@amritbansal2119 A "Capitalist" can be a leftist 🤷🏽
@@Ze_Moose But can a conservative be a communist?
It's 2018, audio quality like this is unacceptable.
@John Tokalenko but what kind of an American? Liberals who brought us social media, youtube, google, facebook, apple, etc... or Conservatives who are busy with inbred sex and drinking bud light around the fire?
@John Tokalenko you know the founding fathers are liberals, right? They separated church and state. Meanwhile conservatives want more church in state. Get your facts right.
Typical NPC, gets pwned with facts, still goes on.
@@Dabket3araB The founding fathers were liberal in the old sense, against large government, unlike liberals today. Liberals then were more like Libertarians, and Conservatives are very similar. Conservatives do support seperation of church and state, many conservative commentators here on TH-cam are atheist...
Tucker wins
5 yrs later, millions of illegal immigrants are pouring the south because of the 'seeking asylum' loophole smh
It's not even a loophole. Immigration and asylum laws are just being ignored.
Also, Uyger’s point about crime in the cities? Oof. That did not age well.
Cenk and Tucker had a civil, intelligent, respectful debate and then the comment section goes back to internet-stupid
Only time you can hear the words *Cenk and *intelligent in the same sentence.
@@toolboy1212p No, but you look like you eat actual shit. Such a tool *see what I did there? NPC go away you will never procreate. Lol
XxGR3YW01FxX well that didn’t age well. 😂😂😂
Uber Eats-your gas how?
Even this comment sub-thread turned instantly to shit.
My conclusion is that people are fundamentally tribalistic and stupid.
We're still apes, apparently.
It sucks, because when I was young I thought maybe we'd explore space and invent ways to have everything we need. All I can say is that I'm disappointed.
Cenk, I'm an audio engineer looking for work... just sayin'
I don't know if that was tyt or politicon but damn was it bad.
That was politicon's fault.
Cenk be taking L again, he took it against Shapiro too
Whoever did the sound at this event should be fired.
sound guy here. Fired, or given a good spanking. Very sad it never recovered
Its like he cranked the gain wide open on every mic and then just tried turning the master fader down to fix it
they recorded this with a shoe
🤣😂
If you're wondering why the comments look weird, switch to top comments
You are the real mvp
Respect to tyt posting Chenk embarrassing himself
😂😂 everything tyt posts is embarrassing!
Don’t fuck with Carlson, he thinks over their heads. No word play, real facts.
lol he is a liar who changes stands more often than a woman changes clothes.
man literally sold his soul to putin
Audio Engineers: Skill level 0.
person in charge of audio should be fired and banned from ever recording audio or do anything to do with recording!
Over reactionary. Most likely it was TYT's sound guy in charge of receiving the audio from the politicon microphone source. He played with the audio knob for a few moments between 5:15 and 7:15, hardly a fireable offense.
James Kennedy we disagree on what constitutes a fireable offense. Have a complacent day.
It was a very respectable debate and both people did well. Tucker won in my opinion.
Tucker is right, and the argument on the other side is so condescending!
Young Turks founder is a twisted leftist political hack
What's up with all the hate? Tucker and Cenk agreed on most things in this debate. It makes you wonder if people even pay attention to what people are actually saying or if they're just listening to their guy's talking points.
We know the other point of view that's WHY we oppose it! Really?
I'm listening to like 30 minutes of them disagreeing on immigration. The hell are you on about?
Dustin Brown They're either agreeing with each other or talking past each other. They didn't talk about anything but their own talking points when they were discussing immigration, and a few other things. This debate did really go anywhere, unless you were listening for your own sides talking points. That's why I think the debate with Sam Seder and Charlie Kirk was much better than this one. Those two actually got into the issues, but they mostly talked about economics. I wanted to hear more about culture and policy from Tucker and Cenk since the right and the left rarely talk to each other about anything other than straw man arguments, but they either agreed with each other or talked past each other.
Bottom line: no one won this debate. Anyone thinking there was a clear victor here suggests they grabbed onto either Cenk's or Tuker's talking points and missed the fact that this debate didn't go anywhere. One would throw out an issue and the other would say "I agree" or they would retreat into their cookie cutter positions and fail to address the other's position. No real conflict occurred. Now if someone wanted to make the assertion that Sam Seder won against Charlie Kirk, then we can talk. That actually would have some merit.
Annette Elbaz what?
The main thing I liked about this is how they listened to each other without interrupting and making assumptions about each other.
There was an interruption from Fucker Carlson.
@@EugenioFranklin so interruptions are bad, even when fat boy cenk does it right?
Tucker makes sense like always.
When 2018 starts feeling like it was so long ago as if it was 1980
2020 and 2021 felt like a decade
Sheesh, will Politicon *EVER* get the audio right? This is unprofessional.
I saw other copies of the video with better audio. Confused as to why tyt uploaded this shitty version
@@jojob123 link please?
Who won this debate? The American people. Great conversation. Neoliberalism is the problem. Worker co-ops are the solution.
Whoa, that's actually socialism and not welfarism. Most Americans get the two confused.
Alan Watts Audio Collection Worker co-ops, consumer co-ops (more credit unions and breaking up the big banks), and volunteer work. That’s what will build our economic morale.
Tucker Carlson Schooled Cenk.
"but if your looking to find who took your wages, don't look down, look up." absolute mic drop statement.
Yeah 10 million more people looking for work. Try looking up and down. Why do you think BIDEN admin is letting them in. What to fill the claim of 15 million NEW JOBS, only democrats believe such a lie. Biden is no friend to the working man . Never was ,never will.
Progressives support any one who promises a free ride.
It's a good statement but the context how he said it was not a mic drop moment...
Next time please don't use a stick of deodorant to record audio.
One step up from a potato
This is honestly a great discussion imo very civil and no craziness
I can't believe I didn't totally hate Tucker. I mean, he lied about never dog-whistling on his show, but for this hour he seemed like a reasonable human being. He actually made some salient points even if I disagree with him.
But it wasn't a great discussion. Tucker is trying to play the nice guy. He's much more the racist on his show than the guy seen here. Plus he filibustered every time it was his turn to talk.
@@magarthur3420 Tucker couldn't override the audiences with his nonsense.
@@rvolk86 Have you watched his show?
Tucker claimed he never spoke in dog whistles with a straight face. LOLOLOL
Name a time he spoke in "dog whistles" lol
Go Tucker!
I'm not a Cenk or TYT fan in the slightest and I really enjoyed this for what it was, an open discussion. I don't think it was a bout winning or losing but rather about finding a common issues to rally behind. Freedom from corporate control and freedom of speech appeared to be those issues. Congratulations to Cenk and Tucker on providing everyone with something to think about post-discussion.
you dont know how economics works dude
Tucker - "We can't talk about police killing black people without being shouted down" Colin - "We need to talk about police killing black people" Tucker - "Be quiet and say the pledge!"
But police kill twice as much white people. Stop resisting arrest.
ItsameAlex there are almost 6 times the amount of white people as there are blacks. I’ll let you do the math.
Cenk takes a total L, as usual.
Tucker right again
The debate was great. The audio is terrible.
Seems that way for everything I've watched from Politicon thus far.
+STOP ABORTING BABIES, START ABORTING LIBERALS Are you saying that you want Tucker to be mean to you?? LOL
John Jewell Politicon can’t get shit right
RIP headphone users.. Who tf engineered the audio on this??
I bounced after 1 min of him screaming into my ear
Right?
@@aliaksandrhn1 Right and left, both were loud
@@At3nT I did not mean the right wing. My comment was just the affirmation of what he was saying.
They didn't record the microphone audio, just the audio going through the room.
Can we all just take a moment to unite - regardless of our political differences - in condemnation of the sound engineers working at this event?
Tucker is more right now than ever..
I’m honestly surprised by the civility and productivity of this conversation. Kinda refreshing to see a debate where people don’t well over each other.
Whoever the audio engineer is should be fired. It’s called “mic gain level.” 🤦🏻♂️
@ An immigrant would probably do it better.
@ 😌
I was like " how on earth are they in the same room in 2022?" 🤣
Tucker rocks! He just makes sense. And that freaking laugh of his is the best.... Tucker brings me joy.
That's what a debate looks like when done by adults. Take notes children.
Unfortunately, this was mostly due to the fact that Carlson is squeaky clean. Watch Cenk's debate with Dinesh D'Souza. Cenk uses ad hominim attacks throughout the debate to try to argue against his reasoning, which is a logical fallacy and counter productive to civil discourse.
The guy I agree with definitely won this debate. Obliterated the guy I disagree with!
funny
As long as your guy has accurate information. Doesn't misrepresent and cherry pick his data. Didn't wear a tie.
So just like every debate then.
I remember the Cenk meltdown over the loss of Hillary in 2016 . Looking forward to the next with Vivek .
Funny how TYT so vehemently attack "money in politics", lobbying and Campaign finance by Corporations, but then lost their minds when HRC (who is about as corrupt, corporate and swampy as you can get AND stole the Dem primary from "their guy" Bernie) lost.
It's almost like they're hypocrites.
This aged poorly lol
“If people come to believe the system is rigged, then you’re toast!”
Wow, that did not age well…
Cenk just basically interviewed tucker. Every question led to a tucker diatribe
TYT NPC: "Tucker talks a lot but doesn't say anything!"
NPC Programmer: 404 Tucker patch not found. Critical thinking patch not found. Necessary educational background required for comprehension not found. Kernel error 1004510 item not found NPC exclusive.
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Why are the mics so bad? Everyone sounds like they're speaking on Walkie-Talkies.
Tucker rocks!!!❤❤❤❤
Did the sound engineer run this through a fuzz pedal for lulz?
Carlson seemed to agree with Cenk on almost everything and then proceeded to give out more talking points... this wasnt even a debate. The guy needs to leave Fox news, they’re damaging his brain lol.
@Metallist Have you watched his show?
Tucker: “So maybe you can Change My Mind” Cenk: *PTSD of every time Steven Crowder has approached him*
Fatness intensity’s*
Yet Steven Crowded is scared of Sam Seder and keeps running away last minute from debates
Benis Brager I honestly don’t know why people keep peddling this as some kind of gotcha. The truth is that Sam Seder doesn’t have much fame, and therefore he won’t debate him. The reason being is because if he did, then he would have no choice to either debate everyone else, or be considered a coward for chickening out. Plain and simple.
@@johnwhitaker3371 So Crowder is a little bitch.
@@dalekrenegade2596 yes
Cenk not being born here explains a lot.
Yep. I think that explains why he can't see the resistance to changes. He's not a 3rd generation native born American. We embrace a stable culture. (Except for the satanists)
I also don't think that our Nation is 5 years later - saying that our population is shrinking so quickly. If you ask a progressive, we have too many people in their eyes.
I realized that this is a 5 year old discussion, and some things have changed. But the last 5 years have only made the issues worse. And breaking the law to be here does not allow us to see an illegal as trustworthy. I was rolling my eyes when he claimed illegals are responsible for lessening crime...oy vey.
Wow racist much?
@@oklol7799 Not really, no race was mentioned at all.
This didn’t age well… unlawful immigration 6 years later is insane. But hey everyone is asking for asylum so there’s that… LOL 😂
Someone fire the sound guy...
This gets 59 likes? Lol
Whoever was responsible for the audio in this debate should be fired.
TYT
TYT
Jank is a goofy
Tucker is a piece of historic work.
Who took your wages? Don't look down, look up. Brilliant!
Note to Politicon... 1st thing I recognized immediately: Please get a better sound operator to tweak the sound correctly for clarity.
Tucker doesn’t shut up he talked 2x more
So you think it was better that someone talked less because they had no defense to Tucker Carlson? I'm pretty sure Cenk just didn't know what to say. His continuous "I have a question to pose to you tucker" was just an act to try to get the light off of him and onto tucker so he could try to just find anything to use to defend himself against tuckers pretty solid arguments.
Screw all of these ball-lickers. This was a good conversation between two respectable people, this is what our country should strive for.
No one really destroyed anyone imo
Tucker is being more centrist because he knows if fox news carlson came out he would get owned
Yeah i noticed that ,he seemed like a ballet dancer around most hard issues.
The real loser here is the audio.
It's always the audio that gets hurt
Damn, you got rekked.
I don’t know if I’d call this a debate. Cenk offered stances and Tucker didn’t try to combat him on them and Tucker didn’t actually offer a stance on any of the topics discussed. He talked a lot. I like that they were both respectful. Aside from that this was an empty conversation at best.
TYT NPC: "Tucker talks a lot but doesn't say anything!"
NPC Programmer: 404 Tucker patch not found. Critical thinking patch not found. Necessary educational background required for comprehension not found. Kernel error 1004510 item not found NPC exclusive.
The Sports Guy ……. Cenk came with the facts, and an audience just as educated ( not TC's regular Fux Lies drones ). Thus, TC talked a lot, but didn't say much.
Whoever is responsible for recording this audio should be fired.
wish i could thumbs up x100
Tucker makes more sense than anyone's.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Dang, Tucker is really good at this haha.
"Wages have been stagnant, productivity is not. If you're looking to see who took your wages, don't look down look up."
Please, don't try to tell Michael Alexander basic economic facts, he is a socialist NPC and already knows what he needs to know. Beep... boop... as you were.
This is where social democracy comes in. There will always be a disparity between how much value labor produces, and how much it's sold for. In pure economic terms, it is supply and demand.
With zero labor laws, this disparity increases astronomically, where wages approach zero, yet the value of that labor to the company can remain high. If the wage/value disparity approaches zero, then entrepreneurs don't get the incentive to take on the risk of starting a company. The trick is finding the right balance between not letting people starve from lack of compensation to the value they create, and not killing the goose that lays the golden egg.
In my opinion, this is foremost an economic structural problem, not an immigration one. Though, i think having completely open borders certainly wouldn't make things easier, so immigration should be at least some part of the debate.
That's why the unions have been decimated for the last 4 decades. It makes life easier for the top. Amazing how the gop has convinced people how good that is for them.
This was not a 'versus' debate, it was just a stellar conversation. Hats off to Cenk and Tucker on how thoughtful exchange of ideas should be.
Vinny J 56:53 Personally, I don’t like Tucker, but his response has made me understand where him and average conservatives are coming from. Politics today almost makes you forget not everyone is far left or right.
@@BernieBerns Honestly man. Cenk had a genuinely believable response and physically you can see his belief. You can hear his confidence and convictions. Tucker felt like he was trying to fake his way through a math test. The laughing. The half baked comedy. I just didnt feel that he actually believed what he was saying.
@@jeffeastwood1051 Honestly man. Tucker had a genuinely believable response and physically you can see his belief. You can hear his confidence and convictions. Cenk felt like he was trying to fake his way through a math test. The laughing. The half baked comedy. I just didnt feel that he actually believed what he was saying.
@@CheezusHGrist I guess you just have to watch Tucker alot more to know when hes FAKING. He's getting owned. Tucker is talking out of the side of neck and doing his faux HAHAHAHA every few seconds. How hard is this??? Really? He's fake. He doesn't actually believe even what he says in a public sphere. Proof? His own employer FOX news right now has vaccine mandates that are considered more strict than any laid out by the CDC and Biden Admin combined. They have daily testing at Fox with 90% confirmed vaccinated. I mean, but here we are on nightly broadcast where he says crap like the US ARMY is sharing Satanic Propaganda about vaccines and creating hesitancy while he literally has done the opposite to stay employed.
The sound quality makes this video nearly impossible to watch.
Fire the sound guy
XD agreed.
Yo get politicon to get a better sound guy .
i think Tucker plays a character when he’s on Fox
Everybody on Fox News plays a character! when you put them in a setting like this one forcing them to have an intelligent conversation with somebody on the other side they are totally different human beings! I'm watching this like wait is this really Tucker Carlson from Fox News! Lol
He might think he does but his viewers don't and he doesn't admit it on his show. It's deeply reckless
Most of what he says on fox is just too insane to be real, I was surprised that he wasn’t that bad on this
In this debate he seems more human. But on fox he says what ever the right wants to hear to get more rating which proves he just like a lot of greedy people he'll sell out just for money. Which is the problem with some people they will say and do whatever that puts more money in their pockets with disregard of it being the wrong thing to do. Better to be poor and honest than rich and going against what you believe to be the right thing to do in disregard of your fellow human being
Somebody help me. Wages stalled but record profits are being recorded🤔 hmmm!
Shhh
Super Bummer on the audio. Great debate.
This is the first debate I've seen where Cenk is truly trying to have a conversation in a debate. I had completely written him off over the past few years, but maybe he has come to the realization that you can't hide any views in 2018. I'd like to see more of this version of Cenk
Thomas Brady second this brother
Right after the debate he apparently cursed and yelled at Tim Pool.
@@AABB-zb6dv Oh my!!!
@@AABB-zb6dv Tim pool is an active asshole and throws out misinformation. I’m sure he deserved it
@@SD-pi9co Oh my mobile data is limited this month; guess I can't watch more than like 10% of the clips out there, showing his family doing the same thing (and for good reasons made apparent, given perspective).
I still can't believe the Seahawks didn't run the ball... Smh.
2 years after your comment I still can’t believe it either
@@coyotelong4349 Right? Like dude, WTF Carroll you have beast mode with 1yard to go for a freaking B2B superbowl man.🥺🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
I have watched Cenk in various settings, and have found his debate technique quite adolescent. He seems to believe loud is endearing, and wins the point
Here's an idea, let's put all the mics through Boss distortion pedals.
Nobody check the levels? Didn't notice they were constantly redlining?
This is unlistenable.
It's so bad I thought my headphones broke
Cenk somehow pulled Tucker to the left...
For one hour 😎
STOP ABORTING BABIES, START ABORTING LIBERALS most of us on the left support legal immigration and asylum laws because we don’t get triggered by demographic changes, unlike you people.
Who on the left (politician) came out as saying they do not believe in borders or believe in open borders? This is a straw man argument coming from the right, unless you can change my mind and show me evidence?
to the soundman that setup the audio of the debate :
Change job.
Carlson eats him for breakfast
Sound guy. You had one job.
So Cenk was very civil with Tucker. I never once heard him call Tucker racist or accuse him of racism. But yet Tucker keeps whining about being called racist. Cenk didn’t attack or accuse at all yet Tucker keeps going off on these tirades just so he can have them included in the debate!
Conservatives assume that every person on the left will automatically go to racism as a critique which is simply not true. They build the strawman into their world ideology and attack the left as a whole on that strawman. It's ridiculous.
No, he didn't call him racist. He just implied he was racist and that what he was doing is the same thing that the Nazi's did. Totally different.
If u ask me, Tucker AND Cenk are BOTH RACIST. Lately, Cenk is EXTREMELY disrespectful to Black ppl. Like on this show, he named the groups that "built this country." But he COMPLETELY left out BLACK PEOPLE. So we had ZERO to do w/ building this country??? Very disrespectful. And dishonest.
They have done segments in the pass, that they outright implied he was racist.
But he really wanted to shout racist at Tucker so he kept going back to demographic transformation. The reason is Tucker's obviously more skillful orator than Cenk.
I absolutely loved this! Thank you guys for being respectful and having an excellent discussion about important topics. I'm so grateful because it's so hard to find civil discussion that is factual and well thought out.
Sadly, though, this was 4yrs ago before Civil discussions became a rarity. Now, if they had done this a year ago, even, I would've agreed wholeheartedly...but, the fact that this was pre-COVID, pre HEIGHT of BLM, and pre "tRuSt tHe sCiEnCe".... well, I don't think I need to say more than that!
Cenk talked about crimw rates of legal immigrants. Problem is, Tucker was talking abour illegal immigrants. Secondly, asylum seekers are supposed declare their intentions at a port of entry
Asylum laws also prevent people from bypassing safe areas just to reach a certain destination.
Fire the sound guy.
Who's the second guy? The middle guy?
@@jacobhouser7672 Sound not second, the audio engineer
I wanted to applaud BOTH participants in this very vigorous, impassioned but RESPECTFUL and largely articulate debate. In general I do not count myself as a particular fan of either Cenk or Tucker as I consider them to both be more inflammatory than informative but I was extremely impressed with the respect each demonstrated and will most certainly give them more attention going forward. While I wasn't moved to change my position on anything immediately, they both gave me some areas to reconsider my own perspectives, such as immigration and campaign finance. Thank you gentlemen ... this is what free speech and Unites States Democracy is all about.
"Perhaps my verbosity has obscured what I'm really trying to say" is the most backhanded humble brag when someone is trying to come back at you that i've ever heard.
Tucker all the way 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
The problem with Tucker Carlson is that he doesn't have the balls (or financial incentive) to stay true to himself. Deep down he may have a reasonable belief system but that's not what he espouses on Fox 95% of the time
@Surfdude12 1 He spews propaganda for conservative agendas every night too. He disregards facts on many topics, misrepresents the opposing side by presenting the craziest basket cases, and supports misinformation.
Maybe you should take your own advice, stop getting all your opinions from Fox News, and do some research as well.
Matt Jacklyn ALL he said here, he at one point said on Fox. Seriously, if you had watched his show, you'd know.
@@marmite_popsicle steve knows cobert. nuff said.
Great debate...actually setting the bar on how we should be talking to each other.
Go Tucker!!
Go get some help and stop simping for grifters....
I served in the US NAVY for 8 years and I have paid taxes since I was 16 years old. I love everyone but enter our country legally or stay out. I had a Secret security clearance while I served in the NAVY and I did not have the ability to enter any other country as I wish. We should make it easier for people to enter our country and become Americans. God bless America and God bless us all.
The pilgrims didn’t enter legally
@@renegadecomic7577 according to who? The American government? Your comparing apples to oranges. Let's talk about now, not a completely different situation that happened 300 years ago.
@@renegadecomic7577 do you also defend slavery that way saying it was okay when the pilgrims were alive so its okay now
We need to kick out the bigot and the racist.. before we worry about who’s crossing the border illegally.. that’s more important than your worries about someone crossing the border illegally Facts.. unless you’re a racist closeted bigot..
@@dylanmaliska4922 lol keep being delusional, can’t just dismiss history as apples and oranges just cause you got a Convenient way of thinking.
Tucker's first response: We need to follow the law and not let these people in.
Cenk: The law actually states that we are supposed to hear people seeking asylum out and give them a fair hearing instead of rejecting them out of hand.
Tucker afterwards: Here are the reasons we should not follow the law and not let these people in.
So what. Tucker is perfectly consistent. He is saying:
A) Laws on immigration need to be enforced (we have approximately 20 million illegal aliens already here)
B) Laws against unchecked immigration are not some irrational, "racist" positions, here is why we need to control our borders...
Did you actually listen to his reasoning behind why we need to severely restrict immigration compared to our current situation or is that beyond your capacity for a pre-programmed NPC?
You just said that "following the law" and "here's why we shouldn't follow the law" are consistent positions, and I am pre-programmed. Kay.
@@curiaregis9479 ... 🙄