Unsolved Mysteries: The Voynich Manuscript

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  • @karenomalley4287
    @karenomalley4287 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I am fascinated by the Yoynich Manuscript! And I ordered the book. However, PLEASE have someone produce a new video because no matter how smart the narrator is, she says "ah and Um" at least two times in every sentence. It totally detracts from what she has to say and I think she is probably brilliant and the listeners want to hear her and learn something exciting about the manuscript. As someone who taught public speaking, she can fix this by first listening to herself and then writing her thoughts on paper with place markers that allow her to pause, take a breath and then continue without the "ahs and "umms" .She should start with the first paragraph, get it down pat and then do the next.It is evident that she has a life long habit of speaking like this when she has to speak extemporaneously, for while she is following a script, she is nervous in front of the camera and thus adds she skips or adds things and it comes out jumbled and distracting. Also the teleprompter contain words and phrases such as (pause), take a breath, smile... etc It would make for a far better video... or hirer a professional to do it. That would be perfect. She could write the script and have a professional read it.

    • @stella.r2708
      @stella.r2708 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I agree. The inexperience in public speaking shows and detracts from what would otherwise be a very well organised presentation.
      People underestimate the difficulty associated with public speaking and assume that those who struggle may not really know what they are talking about. With Dr Bowen, it is not about her knowledge it is about the ability to communicate that knowledge.

    • @krisklimek7306
      @krisklimek7306 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Totally agree…had to stop listening/watching. Lots of other presentations and podcasts available on this subject….maybe not as expert, but easier on the listener

  • @ct6502-c7w
    @ct6502-c7w ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm very fascinated with the Vonich Manuscript, but I can't stand the "umm...ahh" every other word. Look at the transcript of the video. 😂

  • @polmatthiasson9564
    @polmatthiasson9564 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the best lectures I’ve heard on this topic. The suggestion that multiple authors wrote sections is a game changer. This changes the manuscript from the idea of a single author perpetrating a hoax to a learned system by many.

    • @timlange2842
      @timlange2842 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      its more like knowledge passed down from father to son. there are no crossed out words in ms408, simply repeated until the thought was represented accurately(like a spoken stutter). the material in ms408 is considered sacred to the merchant families, thus the privilege to copy it was also sacred. i could go on but really people need to consider the culture and traditions of the people in the Sindh region from those times. alot of the answers are staring at you in the face when you put that into context

    • @grzegorzzkoszalina
      @grzegorzzkoszalina 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Unfortunately, this lecture is a compilation of ridiculous conclusions sublime on the basis of an even more profound apriori assumption.

    • @b.vukcevic4651
      @b.vukcevic4651 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@grzegorzzkoszalina Right, they had no clue what it was.

  • @prismak7607
    @prismak7607 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Actually from the experiments in replicating the gibberish they understood that voynichese is more statistical similar to these than meaningful language. The topic correlation is not so surprising since topics corresponds partially to different scribes. It's surprising that the scribes managed to create a somehow organic language, but indeed different versions of the language can be detected from different scribes (voynichese A and B). Anyway we must not forget that fooling the reader would have been indeed the purpose of the text, and the scribes would have been probably professionally trained to produce apparently meaningful gibberish. Who knows how many of these products have been developed by this organisation to be sold to gullible fans of occultism. The scribes could have developed some experience in making believable text. I think the gibberish idea makes perfect sense.

  • @rossg9361
    @rossg9361 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Very interesting presentation, but the ah and um are like toothache. After fifteen minutes it became too much. Slow down.

  • @voynich_manuscript
    @voynich_manuscript 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It was found not only by Voynich from Lithuania, but also deciphered in Lithuania by a Lithuanian researcher of Ukrainian origin.

  • @pissant145
    @pissant145 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Nah dudes, I HATE the aaah-ing. Cannot listen to this. It is dreadful. Teach her to speak human.

  • @Stockholm17
    @Stockholm17 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    One of the first things I noticed are those 2 gallows glyphs that are ALWAYS used to start the sentence or paragraph. Ok, there is no punctuation at all, but take a look and see yourself. It is odd..... Pretend to write a book and you write all the sentences and paragraph starting with one of the 2 chosen letters (i.e. F or P).
    The "4o" looks like it is one glyph instead of two. And it looks that the "89" combination is never at the beginning of a word, always at the end. Clearly the letters are not random written. You can spot recurrent situations (or rules) that might help to understand.
    I am a graphic designer, illustrator, and often work with calligraphy and glyphs. I have the book and I copied a few sentences just to see how it feels, what is the sequence to create a glyph in the fastest and more ergonomic way depending on the media/tool (type of nib and paper) I am using. Give a try! :)

  • @Rando_Shyte
    @Rando_Shyte 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I'm sure you really know what you're talking about, but slow down and stop saying AHH all the time please haha

  • @bobcatnm
    @bobcatnm ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Even if I was attending Yale, and she was my professor. I would walk out after a day of the amount of “uh”s in her lecture. It is very rare to find a writer who can speak.

  • @sverigeaao5196
    @sverigeaao5196 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Please, speaking lady, discontinue your use of "aaahh". Cannot listen to this. Hate the "aah". Clicking away from video.

  • @Psycandy
    @Psycandy 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    people! we need to think like a 15th century publisher, who is going to considerable effort and expense to encapsulate what is valuable and privileged information. Even Da Vinci encoded his notes but here we have a very robust encoding which would be decoded, for a fee, and earn the publisher income in the same manner as publishing multiple copies. There's only one sure-fire method of achieving this, which is to commit the entire manuscript to memory and recite it on demand, prompted with the assistance of cues which may or may not require an optical apparatus.

  • @MarniTurboHoarder
    @MarniTurboHoarder 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Um ah um um um ah um ah ah um and um and ah and ah

  • @Interfect727
    @Interfect727 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Uh...ahh...ummm...how can we make ...uh....ummm...indigenous languages that are used to...ummm...ahh...combine...uhhh...sentences. Uhhh..umm...These languages...are...uhhh...ummm..so..uhh...ummm. Learn to SPEAK. Unbearable!

  • @sayidi.6194
    @sayidi.6194 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Я кое что знаю о манускрипте Войнича.

  • @Jaggerbush
    @Jaggerbush 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    A lot of Um and Ah - distracting

  • @b.vukcevic4651
    @b.vukcevic4651 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    On aug. 15. 1435. started by 4 people in Smederevo castle, look it up, in St. Luka church in apsida, altar. Later as they developed contraceptive ideas, 2 sponges, diaphragm and IUD it may be reedited, restiched and devices put in the back of the book so if Niksha amplius could not get to Amoarisa he will give the book to her blind brothers who will give her the book with new instructions. That went on and off for 7 years!

  • @radinelaj3932
    @radinelaj3932 ปีที่แล้ว

    The author distorted the words of his country that he used,or elongated the letters making them like fancy calligraphic letters. Or distorted letters of Latino language that he used ( maybe )making it looks like a tamil alphabet, nepal alphabet or fancy calligraphy letters.( or alphabet of his country
    I think : It is a type of small enclyclopedia ,nothing interesting.nothing strange,
    It is like the game : remove one matchstick to solve the equation ,same should do with letters.

  • @the-birbo
    @the-birbo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    access to free education would make this a lot easier

  • @ezzovonachalm7534
    @ezzovonachalm7534 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The Aa VoiAa nich Aa maAanuAascAhript ah is Aah cuAaüriAaous Aa
    Aa Aa Ha-hahahahahaaaaa !!
    This manner to speak represent a total lack of respect toward the listener... Aa Aa Aa

  • @b.vukcevic4651
    @b.vukcevic4651 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Click on SORT BY then on Newest first.
    Here are my previous comments:
    See YT Dragan Rakonjac of 28. feb. 2022 and my comments there.
    Here it comes again, 😀, for the Yale graduate, MS, comment of a century, millennium, worth of a Nobel prize in science, history, WW2 experts in coding could not decode VMS and B. Vukcevic did it as a hobby.
    Yale University holds the most seacret SERBIAN book ever made, an attempt to help save what was left from Eastern Roman Empire called Byzantium from asian invaders, "agarjanskih ched", by preventing sultan Amurat to have a child that his inheritance as Paleolog on the female side would be most of the Balkan christian lands.
    I am listening again. She graduated from Yale University. Here is my gift for her: Yale University holds world most misterious book, Voynich manuscript. It is written starting in Smederevo on 15. august 1435. in the altar of St. Luka church and edited few times later. It is written by despot Djuradj's most trusted secret agents Nicolaus de Arcilupis, his brother duke and later on bishop, vladika Mrksha and 2 Nicolauses sons Vukash and Gaspar(ino) Stagnevich ( Stanjevic ). The purpose was to make sure that Amoarisa, "from Amorea", Corfu today, Mavra, ( wrongly called Mara Brankovic ) daughter of despot and one of many sultan's wives doesn't get pregnant with the afro-asian donkey ( see the last page of VMS . "m" is 8 ) sultan Amurat. They developed in northern Italy, Padova, over 7 years 3 contraceptive devices, 2 sponges, diaphragm and IUD almost identical as one today. In 1442, "amplius" Niksa was recognized by Marin Mudrikic in Adrianopolis and was sentenced first for "decapitare" and later changed for "scorticare". He survived beating and lived to an old age, burried in the new monastery in Cetinje, Cipur after 1484. Now you know who made Voynich manuscript and why. All the other theories are crap. I am the one who decoded it first in the world. A while ago I offered to Yale, then to SANU, U of BG etc. to do presentation semi-public ( the book contains explicit imagery, insults to states, nations and religions etc.) nobody showed any interest. Herbal, medical, pharmaceutical and astrological science is gnostic, forbidden in many ways by Christianity at the time. Language is version of Aromanian ( of that time, Alba Romanian, "Bjelice", extinct today, divided between neighbors, Serbs, Greeks, Romanians, Macedonia and Albania ) , coding is similar to american name game, alphabet is combination of cyrilic, latin and gnostic greek. 98% of the text is irrelevant, decoy, sole purpose of the book was to secretly let know Amoarisa what to do. Nicolaus was playing a harem hygiene amplius, among other things !? The book contains thousands of serbian words, coded, there is a drawing of Smederevo fortress, Danube, Jezava, a bunch of "drzhava", "holdings", Serbia, Vallacia, Bosnia, Hungary, Venice, Ottoman state etc. There is also a drawing of Naisus fortress, among others.
    Briefly, who was Nicolaus de ArciLupis and what that has to do with VMS or myself?
    He is roughly 33. generation from emperor Licinius ( see Konstantin Nikolajevic, Prvih pet ... pdf, last page ), then lineage goes like this: Stefan Nemanja, king Stefan P. V., king Radoslav ( monk Jovan ), grand kaznac Dragoslav, protovestiar ( min. of finance ) Stan ( Stanislav Nemanjic ), grand duke Nikola Stanjevic, vlastelichic ( paladin ) Vuksha ( starac Makarije ), duke Pavle ( Palko Vuchevic, "Orlovic" ) and Tomadela daughter ( spoke aromanian among other languages, serbian, latin, greek ) of Tomash Sclavo, then Nicolaus had 3 sons, youngest was Kalogeorgije, a lawyer in Cattaro in Stefan Nemanja's court house ( taken from his father Nicolaus at 1452.. and given to an Italian then to Stefanica Crnojevic, today known as Ivan Crnojevic palace in Cattaro ), then Drashko, sveshtenik mnih Makarije ,printer and hegumenos of Chilandar monastery, then priest ( pop ) Vukac and us Vukchevics. Apart from us Vukchevics there are more then 10 000 today living male descendants from Stefan ( Vakhin, Vukan ) Nemanja in Montenegro, Serbia and in the world.
    For high res google voynich manuscript pdf high resolution and use first link.
    On page 206 zoom at the top.
    Images: private parts, "balls", with "n" in penis. N stands for Nicolaus, same as his crest in 1423. and many contracts he wrote.
    Word: Amurat
    Afro-asian donkey with stripes.
    Naked Amoarisa with crown.
    On the right:
    1. line: Vorbesc nomu vukshev ( speaks me by the name Vukshev ). That is legal surname in the Ottoman empire, by the name of grandfather. Slightly coded.
    2. line is coded, I have the reading.
    3. line not coded by shuffling the bits ( slogove ):
    Sia + mavra + movra + via + arca + mavra. Amoarisa, old lineage, Paleolog.
    4. Akak isia valmen ubven so nim gas mich. How this one ( me ) was well beaten by him ( afro-asian donkey, Amurat, with a hole in his penis ) like a minced meat ( chevap ).
    On another page text: "malsam spasav zhiv glov" "I barely saved my life", he fainted and spell water from a pot he was holding his swollen tong in it, at the bottom of that page is remnants of his blood and lymph from his wrist !?
    Naked women are drawn so that real muslim should not look at that. Also + ( cross ) is for the same purpose. Will go to Hell.
    The last page was written after the beating, first sentence was "decapitare et eredit" to be decapitated and his relatives and discendants ( 3 sons, Vuksha, Gaspar-ino and Kalogeorgije, my line, and wife donna Anna ) to be exterminated. Later was changed to "scorticare".
    Pdf page 158. top right corner is Smederevo fortress viewed from apsida window, 2 blue lines are Danube and Jezava. Then despot's home in between in great details, then guard towers around, windows are depicted in a great detail in one herbal section as a root of a plant. To the right is St. Luka church. The "hands" are "drzhava", states surrounding the serbian state. Venice is at the bottom, south-west of Serbia, Ottoman state to the east, has sea, blue lines and waves. The book has 4 hand writings, Niksha, Mrksha, Gaspar and Vukas holding flower in his hand for Amoarisa, his love and promised bride from young age, Niksha's power trip to reestablish Stefan' Urosh's ( Eagle ) dynasty again on page ... to follow.
    On page 156 is holly table, "sveta trpeza" in apsida, altar of St. Luka, has 6 ornaments . Scriba Nicolaus holds inc bottle in his hand, Gaspar is pointing up, Vukash, love of Amoarisa holds a flower and bishop Mrksha bishop's stick and rosaries. He is in a long robe. 4 pillars stem from the holly table. On the table is their "sunshine", Amoarisa.
    Castle at the bottom, page 158. with text "oPcma oPogma" is Velje Brdo in Serbia, her 3. home, after Antivary, at where is today king Nikola's "dvorac", original one blown up in smithereens by knjaz Nikola to eradicate traces of serbian nobleman presence there, and Smederevo.
    On page 149, bottom left is an instruction how to use IUD with word "oVak", "like this". Amoarisa was bright, educated, literate in a few languages girl.
    The same on p. 146. Top, she holds IUD, lower she holds a diaphragm almost identical as of today!?
    Also at 145. and "intercorse".
    What is interesting, they knew for microscope and telescope, 2 or more lens put together also for watching stars, they knew about spermatozoids, they called them "naves" , so with use of a device "izio vuk magarca", naves are useless!
    This is done for the purpose of shielding Christianity. Top left.
    Page 142. middle Naisus fortress, "Nishka banja ..."
    Page 141. The most important drawing of all ! IUD ! 😀 Consist of silk treads, copper perls and soft skin plugs. Notice treads all the way. Pull center one and perls line up in a hard stick. Pull side treads and plug narrows. Position IUD Y ends in phelopian tubes and release all treads, job done. To take out IUD do reverse, pull outside treads, plug is reduced and remove IUD.
    On another page is very clear instruction for 2 sponges in the old slavic language next to the drawing "djen sum djer" ( udjeni sundjer ) meaning "push in sponge".
    Niksha wanted to save Amoarisa to be his daughter-in-law.
    As per legend Despina was kastrated, will skip details here, just to mention.
    I think this is enough, could analyse all, page by page if necessary. Also I can read any text in the book correctly.
    Thanks to the readers for patience. Regards, B. V.
    General comment: Christianity was the worst thing that happened to the western civilization. It plunged the prosperous Roman Empire into more then 10 centuries of darkness, till Humanism and Renaissance. Our ancestors on Balkan stayed on the fringes of the dark catholic dogma, in the Eastern Roman Empire centered at the New Rome, Constantinople, they were building on previous gnostic science life through those dark ages. Here, in VMS, we have a good view how their knowledge looked like before it was condemned by the western church, in these books that they copied from despot's collections and others found in the old libraries through Balkans ( communists from Kolashin burned some that have survived till 20. century ). At the east Islam was achieving advances in exact sciences and philosophy far advanced then the west. Unfortunately for them, and fortunately for us, they neglected advantages of cheap books and printing press and they today stand as the worst civilization on this planet Earth. After them it is the catholicism etc.
    On the subject of the previous, upper comments about VMS, in the time of Despot and Niksha, for example, Carmen of Petrarca was read in Smederevo before 1444. ad. And microscope and telescope was a common knowledge. Who knows what other is hidden in these pages?

    • @eld460
      @eld460 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So someone on TH-cam who cannot spell secret or mysterious, decoded The Voynich Manuscript, yeah right, lol.
      Good luck with your Nobel prize :p

  • @guillaumebellibaste7178
    @guillaumebellibaste7178 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ilusos

  • @b.vukcevic4651
    @b.vukcevic4651 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You got letters wrong. They are not consistant, they may vary depending what he wants to say ( or they ). They took some gnostic manuscripts forbidden by time of Barbarosa trip on Balkan, the 4 scribas, took them apart. Say Niksha copies first .. # of pages, Vukash next ..., Gaspar ... and bishop Mrksha ...
    Your m is sh, without vertical line is s.
    Your c is I. Iccia, I, this one , ica, "ica wawa" in moves, old slavic, Icia = this one. I, the one here.
    Your d is m.
    m is 8.
    Your f and p are G or R capital, greek, depends of size of loop.
    Your t is P greek. Pi capital.
    Your k i V capital. Also vertical rectangle in other manuscripts of the time.
    Look up lotus leaf, it is very lightly coded, just added one letter to make it coded. In slavic lotus is called klokoch. If I remember well lotus is coded as ccl( lambda ,slavic l )oP( pi added for coding) ccoch.
    cc is also k or can be as your r or your s though sometimes depending of the rest it may be as you said. Regards bvukcevic.