Congrats on 100k, I have always appreciated your work. I preordered my a2z after you reviewed it. I was so excited that my home station was one of your top picks for the year. The emporia and it has been flawless. I fear forces are going to drag us backwards to same ole ice. I truly think has run its course and hay day. Sorry to be negative but I will drive out of my way to avoid using anything Tesla.
There are few legs across the USA where Tesla only has version 2 superchargers (older 125KW or 150KW) and CCS is available with 350KW or higher CC chargers.
The Cybertruck uses internal switching to configure its battery as 800 volts when driving, and 400 volts when charging from a 400 volt charger. The battery is built as two 400 volt packs. They are in series to make 800 volts most of the time, but the two sections can be (and are) put in parallel to charge from a 400 volt charger. Tesla's native V3 chargers can put out over 650 amps. That is equivalent to 325 amps if the voltage is doubled. 350 kW 800 volt DC fast chargers can put out about 460 amps. In theory, that should allow the Cybertruck to charge faster through the adapter - but only if the charger is the limiting factor. In many cases the amount the truck asks for is going to be less than either the 400 or 800 volts charger could supply,
Surprising how bad it charges on CCS. I thought it would be less than 20 min like 800v cars (Hyundai/Kia/Porsche). Maybe this is why Tesla hasn’t been pushing v4 cabinets when the gain is so small. As always great video.
Hey Tom, Great info as always! Have you covered home battery systems like Tesla's Powerwall and GM's new PowerBank? Also Sunrun has a system I think as well as BYD but not sure they can sell in the States? Which do you recommend and do they make systems for cities to help with the grid as well as smaller systems for home use? Tnx! Ken
Love the A2Z products. The 350 amp rating seems safe given the typical Tesla charging with an impressive peak rate, but for just a couple minutes with a fairly rapid decline. For all the hype around megawatt charging on the CT, this charging perfomance seems like a big miss on Tesla's part, but that's not the focus of this video
Every tesla gets charging performance upgrades after the new packs/cells are in circulation. Tesla announced that the cybertruck will begin charging at 500kW at fully V4 stations starting next year. My model 3 had 150kW charging when delivered, got updated to accept 250kW later on. The small battery SR 3 went from 100kW to 180kW. Give them time and when they're confident they'll be uncorking its potential.
Hey Tom are you able get in touch with A2Z and get an update on when they would be starting the recall exchange?, I provided them with information they wanted but haven’t heard back from them
I would encourage you to try it on other CCS chargers. I found that ChargePoint, Circle K and EVCS plugs won't fully seat in the adapter. Only Electrify America and Ford Blue Oval networks have worked for me. Hoping the company can make an update so it works on all.
Tom can you find out about the ability to retrofit a NACS connector on existing CCS1 vehicles. Useful for car models that have issues using ccs due to the connector.
It *might* work on other Teslas, I should test it. The longer shaft will then hang out of the car and the heavy CCS1 connector and cable will likely pull it down and over time may damage the chargeport. Technically it should work, but I wanted to state that owners of the other Teslas should buy the regular adapter. If you need to use this one in a pinch, it will probably work, but I wouldn't want to use it on my non-Cybertruck Tesla often.
Not sure how the supercharging is these days with CT, but if you take a look at Kyle's charges during their ev truck race, the superchargers overheated there, so I think starting from 10% could be significant enough not to overheat and derate the charger versus starting from 0%.
I bought the Tesla CCS TO NACS adapter over a year ago thinking I might need it on road trips. To this day, every road trip has has had Tesla Superchargers so I don’t even know if it works.
This is a little strange to me. High voltage cars will typically maintain a high kWh for long periods. Such as my EV6 will hit something like 220 kWh and just sit there from 1% until like 50%. I assumed because higher voltage and lower amps makes less heat. Same with the Taycan, it just sits flat for a long time. So it's strange to me that the Cybertruck would taper almost immediately just 5% in to the charging session. It's almost as if they need different charging software logic for an 800v charger vs a 400v charger. It's acting like it would if it was drawing twice the amps and half the volts. It might also be that the pack is 200v x 4 instead of one 800v pack. Thanks for showing this side by side though! Extremely informative and useful as always!
It does tug at it, but it's locked in pretty tightly. I wouldn't want to use this on another Tesla model, because it would be sticking out and the weight of the connector and cable would definitely be pulling it down.
I don't think that the Cybertruck's 800V charging has been fully opened up by Tesla yet. They're likely waiting to update it when the V4's are connected to 800v charging cabinets.
So Tom, maybe check my math, the CCS charger's average kw charging from 20-80% was 138.4 kw, while the NACS was 113.5 kw. Love my CT, but these numbers seem kind of abysmal. What good is 800v/megawatt charging if the averages are so slow. Are M3 and MY gave faster rates? My charging averages are in line with these calcs, about 40 minutes for 20-80% for the few times I have had to SC. I would love to see that time down to 20 minutes.
Yeah, CT just isn't a great charging EV, that's been pretty much everyone's experience. But it is possible that Tesla could improve the charging curve with an OTA, but if they can, why wouldn't they have done that from the start?
Thanks for the reply. You have a bit more experience tracking charging curve changes over time. I do believe other Tesla models have had significant changes from their initial release. I’m hoping it’s just caution in seeing how the new 4680’s handle SC. Tessie says I’ve degrade my AWD battery 0.05% in 7,500 miles. So a little better than average if going for about 10% in the first 100,000 miles.
Holy headsmack. I mean… you'd think Tesla would've designed the Cyber_uck to accommodate its own adapter! Derp! Then again… we know what kind of mentality E'lunatic has.
I would say🤔 the reason it was charging quicker at that higher state of charge 👉🏼could👈🏼 be because the higher voltage reduce the amount of current which reduced the inlet component temperatures so they didn’t indicate the need of less power being delivered do maintain a healthy operating range as early. 16:37
Please do another 10-80% charge test on the Cybertruck so it is a 100% apples to apples comparison. (And to see if Tesla has updated the charge curve since your last test.)
What about this adapter makes it unable to be used on S3XY cars? Yeah, it’ll stick out further and put more stress on the long black shaft (sorry 😂), but shouldn’t it work?
Tesla announced V4 supercharger cabinet starting next year going up to 500kw/h and 1200kw/h for semis. I guess that's the maximum needed . I am guessing all the current and future V4 sites will get the cabinet but only pickups will hit max especially cybertruck as it will need a much bigger battery than 100kw.
I agree with the statement Elon supports fascism. I’m glad I didn’t buy from him. I will drive extra distance to avoid his chargers. People bought this Tesla in good faith they aren’t fascist because they did.
Great video. I was able to get a max of 321kW at EVGO with my Cybertruck and the A2Z adapter.
Poor little guy, got replaced by a bigger shaft. the OG has a great personality though.
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Congrats on 100k subs! And thank you for your videos, they’ve helped this Bolt owner.
Yes. Just noticed that. Congratulations Tom.
belated congrats on 100k susbscribers - very well deserved!
Congratulations on the 100,000 subscribers Tom. Glad to be one of them.
As usual Tom, top quality review by you
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Much appreciated
Congrats on 100k, I have always appreciated your work. I preordered my a2z after you reviewed it. I was so excited that my home station was one of your top picks for the year. The emporia and it has been flawless. I fear forces are going to drag us backwards to same ole ice. I truly think has run its course and hay day. Sorry to be negative but I will drive out of my way to avoid using anything Tesla.
Another fantastic demonstration video, Tom!
There are few legs across the USA where Tesla only has version 2 superchargers (older 125KW or 150KW) and CCS is available with 350KW or higher CC chargers.
Excellent info! First I heard of this!
I already got one and used your coupon code, Thanks! Have not tried it yet!
The Cybertruck uses internal switching to configure its battery as 800 volts when driving, and 400 volts when charging from a 400 volt charger. The battery is built as two 400 volt packs. They are in series to make 800 volts most of the time, but the two sections can be (and are) put in parallel to charge from a 400 volt charger. Tesla's native V3 chargers can put out over 650 amps. That is equivalent to 325 amps if the voltage is doubled. 350 kW 800 volt DC fast chargers can put out about 460 amps. In theory, that should allow the Cybertruck to charge faster through the adapter - but only if the charger is the limiting factor. In many cases the amount the truck asks for is going to be less than either the 400 or 800 volts charger could supply,
Surprising how bad it charges on CCS. I thought it would be less than 20 min like 800v cars (Hyundai/Kia/Porsche). Maybe this is why Tesla hasn’t been pushing v4 cabinets when the gain is so small.
As always great video.
Tesla said that v4s will unlock 500kW on the cybertruck starting in 2025.
Oh, I am not mature enough for this video
Hey Tom, Great info as always! Have you covered home battery systems like Tesla's Powerwall and GM's new PowerBank? Also Sunrun has a system I think as well as BYD but not sure they can sell in the States? Which do you recommend and do they make systems for cities to help with the grid as well as smaller systems for home use? Tnx! Ken
The John Holmes edition adapter.
Here we go...
Love the A2Z products. The 350 amp rating seems safe given the typical Tesla charging with an impressive peak rate, but for just a couple minutes with a fairly rapid decline. For all the hype around megawatt charging on the CT, this charging perfomance seems like a big miss on Tesla's part, but that's not the focus of this video
I had to stop watching the video at “Look at the size of the shaft here”
1:26 that’s what she said
Thanks for the video. Interesting. What I mostly got out of it is those 4680 cells are not very good at charging.
Every tesla gets charging performance upgrades after the new packs/cells are in circulation. Tesla announced that the cybertruck will begin charging at 500kW at fully V4 stations starting next year.
My model 3 had 150kW charging when delivered, got updated to accept 250kW later on. The small battery SR 3 went from 100kW to 180kW. Give them time and when they're confident they'll be uncorking its potential.
Hey Tom are you able get in touch with A2Z and get an update on when they would be starting the recall exchange?, I provided them with information they wanted but haven’t heard back from them
I would encourage you to try it on other CCS chargers. I found that ChargePoint, Circle K and EVCS plugs won't fully seat in the adapter. Only Electrify America and Ford Blue Oval networks have worked for me. Hoping the company can make an update so it works on all.
Tom can you find out about the ability to retrofit a NACS connector on existing CCS1 vehicles. Useful for car models that have issues using ccs due to the connector.
Charge port on the Cybertruck is on the left rear fender, not the right rear fender at 1:19
How come it’s incompatible with other Teslas?
It *might* work on other Teslas, I should test it. The longer shaft will then hang out of the car and the heavy CCS1 connector and cable will likely pull it down and over time may damage the chargeport. Technically it should work, but I wanted to state that owners of the other Teslas should buy the regular adapter. If you need to use this one in a pinch, it will probably work, but I wouldn't want to use it on my non-Cybertruck Tesla often.
Not sure how the supercharging is these days with CT, but if you take a look at Kyle's charges during their ev truck race, the superchargers overheated there, so I think starting from 10% could be significant enough not to overheat and derate the charger versus starting from 0%.
I bought the Tesla CCS TO NACS adapter over a year ago thinking I might need it on road trips. To this day, every road trip has has had Tesla Superchargers so I don’t even know if it works.
This is a little strange to me. High voltage cars will typically maintain a high kWh for long periods. Such as my EV6 will hit something like 220 kWh and just sit there from 1% until like 50%. I assumed because higher voltage and lower amps makes less heat. Same with the Taycan, it just sits flat for a long time. So it's strange to me that the Cybertruck would taper almost immediately just 5% in to the charging session. It's almost as if they need different charging software logic for an 800v charger vs a 400v charger. It's acting like it would if it was drawing twice the amps and half the volts. It might also be that the pack is 200v x 4 instead of one 800v pack.
Thanks for showing this side by side though! Extremely informative and useful as always!
I thought that pin locked the CCS cable to the adapter
It does, I misspoke
And why is it $60 more than the regular CCS to NACS adapter? That seem like a lot for an inch ;-)
Economies of scale.
Turns out size does matter :(
(nevermind) saw your reply on other comment below... Why can you use it on CyberTruck but not Model Y?
Looks like the weight of the CCS connector could pull the plug out of the Cybertruck port.
It does tug at it, but it's locked in pretty tightly. I wouldn't want to use this on another Tesla model, because it would be sticking out and the weight of the connector and cable would definitely be pulling it down.
I heard Cybertruck is now able to charge to 500k! 🤯
It can charge up to 500kW, but it only achieves those speeds on v4, which hasn’t been rolled out yet.
I don't think that the Cybertruck's 800V charging has been fully opened up by Tesla yet. They're likely waiting to update it when the V4's are connected to 800v charging cabinets.
So Tom, maybe check my math, the CCS charger's average kw charging from 20-80% was 138.4 kw, while the NACS was 113.5 kw. Love my CT, but these numbers seem kind of abysmal. What good is 800v/megawatt charging if the averages are so slow. Are M3 and MY gave faster rates? My charging averages are in line with these calcs, about 40 minutes for 20-80% for the few times I have had to SC. I would love to see that time down to 20 minutes.
Yeah, CT just isn't a great charging EV, that's been pretty much everyone's experience. But it is possible that Tesla could improve the charging curve with an OTA, but if they can, why wouldn't they have done that from the start?
Thanks for the reply. You have a bit more experience tracking charging curve changes over time. I do believe other Tesla models have had significant changes from their initial release.
I’m hoping it’s just caution in seeing how the new 4680’s handle SC. Tessie says I’ve degrade my AWD battery 0.05% in 7,500 miles. So a little better than average if going for about 10% in the first 100,000 miles.
Just got my Tesla adapter for my lightning from Ford Yesterday after having ordered it last March when it was first available to order.
Borrow a friends cybertruck to test!! That old excuse, you are just going out to eat more pizza really aren't you?
Holy headsmack. I mean… you'd think Tesla would've designed the Cyber_uck to accommodate its own adapter! Derp! Then again… we know what kind of mentality E'lunatic has.
Let’s call it the Pinocchio adapter due to extended nose.
Still pretty lousy charging for what is supposed to be the "best" Tesla ever.
Early clue as to how long cybertruck will hold 500kw at V4 superchargers.. no more than 15 minutes
I think a lot less than 15 minutes.
I would say🤔 the reason it was charging quicker at that higher state of charge 👉🏼could👈🏼 be because the higher voltage reduce the amount of current which reduced the inlet component temperatures so they didn’t indicate the need of less power being delivered do maintain a healthy operating range as early. 16:37
Please do another 10-80% charge test on the Cybertruck so it is a 100% apples to apples comparison. (And to see if Tesla has updated the charge curve since your last test.)
What about this adapter makes it unable to be used on S3XY cars? Yeah, it’ll stick out further and put more stress on the long black shaft (sorry 😂), but shouldn’t it work?
Will the adapter work on a J1772 level 2 charger also?
Size matter😂
These 500kW tesla chargers are going to kick ass.
Also, the evgo would've beaten it by even more if it was 0 to 0.
Tesla announced V4 supercharger cabinet starting next year going up to 500kw/h and 1200kw/h for semis. I guess that's the maximum needed . I am guessing all the current and future V4 sites will get the cabinet but only pickups will hit max especially cybertruck as it will need a much bigger battery than 100kw.
10-67% on SC in 30 mins. what a joke.
What is with this stupid trend of apple removing the "the" in front of products that is infecting everything else.
Yeah but if you have a cybertruck you support fascism or at least the person leading the charge. Adapter seems like small fries.
That’s like saying since you live in the USA you are in full support of everything the country does.
Such a dumb thing to say.
get a grip
I agree with the statement Elon supports fascism. I’m glad I didn’t buy from him. I will drive extra distance to avoid his chargers. People bought this Tesla in good faith they aren’t fascist because they did.
😂😂😂😂😂 I dont understand you people in the states!