Amsa getting coaching from PPMD is so cool. Amsa is shooting for #1 and doesn’t want to have a bracket demon. It feels like im watching history take place. Good luck to Amsa! You guys are legendary.
I love that aMSa kept the red motif with Marth. Really looking forward to one day seeing aMSa pull out the Marth in tournament. And also for PPMD to one day possibly return to the competitive scene ;) Love both of these guys, let's go Golden Guardians!
It was interesting to hear PPs take on shield stopping! I've been practicing that tech for months to get those sudden in place auto cancelled nairs outta dash... but as soon as I got to that part of the video I loaded up Unclepunch and yeah, seems like using back drift works pretty well too! Hard to tell at such an early stage of my development which practice is a more efficient use of my time. Big picture the shield stopping has more points of failure, but I happen to be better at it presently. I suppose using the drift instead is ultimately more elegant and faster even if it requires more finesse from my left thumb than I'm used to. Lord knows my left thumb could use some attention- I feel like I'm squandering a vital source of Marth Magic
Big boy PP dishing out wisdom like candies on Halloween. You're a good player man. I don't even play Marth and I learned a ton of useful stuff for my neutral game!
Now I also want to see you coach his falco. Would be interesting to see which one he picks. It would be also cool to have toph help with coaching since he's played fox for such a long time
Whoa I just watched a Kodorin Marth tutorial he released recently.. He was saying 'never double down tilt as Marth" and he gave an argument for why it's never good, but around 8:30 PP lists double downtilt as a viable option! Is PP joking or is Kodorin actively deceitful or maybe just it's matchup specific so can either way? Hard question to know the answer to I guess
ah I see like at top level double down tilt is losing EV but if you integrate over the whole population it is positive EV since people will blunder the response -actually if that is true then I 100% get it now - I think that is right
It depends on the matchup, but I personally find double Dtilt to be especially useful in the Marth ditto, among other places. The reason for this option being useful is because Marths usually dash back after it, meaning opponents want to take stage. Double Dtilt catches this and forces respect(or attempting a read to punish) on the first Dtilt. However, Kodorin likely says never double Dtilt probably because of how common running in to CC Dtilt can be these days. It would be very punishable if called out. But in certain matchups or under certain conditioning, or if you just tipper it, then it would still be fine. Double Dtilt is not something to spam and outside of the ditto probably isn't a staple option, but I don't personally agree with the saying "never double Dtilt." It's good to have a variety of perspectives in Melee and this is just another good changeup!
Picking Marth for players like Moky and Cody is a bold move considering they usually go toe to toe with Zain. If Amsa can implement Kodorin's approach he can do wonders tho
Zain has won the last 6 sets against Moky and Cody is basically the best player vs marth in the world right now, the alternative of falco isn’t great looking either considering you’d have to get to a mango level of falco
Amsa getting coaching from PPMD is so cool. Amsa is shooting for #1 and doesn’t want to have a bracket demon. It feels like im watching history take place. Good luck to Amsa! You guys are legendary.
Fox is his bracket demon now.
19:57 watching him literally take the info live is so sick pp with that clutch coaching
Would love to see this series continue, especially with aMSa but also with other people. Keep it up PP! Big up from the UK
I love that aMSa kept the red motif with Marth. Really looking forward to one day seeing aMSa pull out the Marth in tournament. And also for PPMD to one day possibly return to the competitive scene ;) Love both of these guys, let's go Golden Guardians!
It’s probably his favorite color
It's always a good day when pp uploads
What a wonderful video! I was chanting "we take those" the whole time.
GGs Amsa! Great lesson a lot of good takeaways for marth.
this was so fun to watch and makes me excited for his marth in tourney! and seeing his yoshi habits come out while playing marth made me cackle
2024 aMSa's Marth vs Leffen's Sheik, let's go! who would ve expected that
It was interesting to hear PPs take on shield stopping! I've been practicing that tech for months to get those sudden in place auto cancelled nairs outta dash... but as soon as I got to that part of the video I loaded up Unclepunch and yeah, seems like using back drift works pretty well too! Hard to tell at such an early stage of my development which practice is a more efficient use of my time. Big picture the shield stopping has more points of failure, but I happen to be better at it presently. I suppose using the drift instead is ultimately more elegant and faster even if it requires more finesse from my left thumb than I'm used to. Lord knows my left thumb could use some attention- I feel like I'm squandering a vital source of Marth Magic
yeah shield stopping is always a minimum of 1 frame slower. still a lot of players use it, most notably hax if i remember correctly
Shoutout to Jello WA underappreciated region
Ok. Is it me, or has Amsa's English gotten exponentially better in the last few months?
It has for sure. I'm sure he gets a lot more practice living in NA
constant exposure and interaction is the best method for learning a language
Amsa's Marth is going to be scary.
I cannot wait for the day he gets into a tourney and whips out the marth. Its gonna be wild
@@happymonkeyfish Or maybe he just wanted all the Marth knowledge so he could farm Zain in tournaments... lol
@carteljameson8395 dude did end up being able to just run right through marths in tournament after all this research
great video! hope to see some more great melee content on the channel :)
Big boy PP dishing out wisdom like candies on Halloween. You're a good player man. I don't even play Marth and I learned a ton of useful stuff for my neutral game!
Legendary man right here love you pp hope you’re doing well :)
Amsa scresming is so fucking funny LOL
I see PPMD, I watch and like.
8:56 jumpscare warning
The Educator, The Understander
Now I also want to see you coach his falco. Would be interesting to see which one he picks. It would be also cool to have toph help with coaching since he's played fox for such a long time
i’ve been hoping for another top marth to root for. i’m gonna be so invested in amsa’s marth if he decided to run with it
Whoa I just watched a Kodorin Marth tutorial he released recently.. He was saying 'never double down tilt as Marth" and he gave an argument for why it's never good, but around 8:30 PP lists double downtilt as a viable option! Is PP joking or is Kodorin actively deceitful or maybe just it's matchup specific so can either way? Hard question to know the answer to I guess
Kodorin has more knowledge of the current meta while PP is trying to teach the basics here
@@javierecf But the game is the game, it either is or isn't right?
ah I see like at top level double down tilt is losing EV but if you integrate over the whole population it is positive EV since people will blunder the response -actually if that is true then I 100% get it now - I think that is right
It depends on the matchup, but I personally find double Dtilt to be especially useful in the Marth ditto, among other places. The reason for this option being useful is because Marths usually dash back after it, meaning opponents want to take stage. Double Dtilt catches this and forces respect(or attempting a read to punish) on the first Dtilt.
However, Kodorin likely says never double Dtilt probably because of how common running in to CC Dtilt can be these days. It would be very punishable if called out. But in certain matchups or under certain conditioning, or if you just tipper it, then it would still be fine.
Double Dtilt is not something to spam and outside of the ditto probably isn't a staple option, but I don't personally agree with the saying "never double Dtilt." It's good to have a variety of perspectives in Melee and this is just another good changeup!
@@PPMD1 understood, thanks for writing that up PP! 🐐🌟
Right as he said the marth thing at lacs I was incision this video!! It happened so fast!!!
Thats actually sick man !
Would love to see a falco coaching session as well, this was really interesting
welcome back
Gamer is gaming 🫡
I'm excited for the aMSa marth! :O
that yoshis story opening sound threw me back
Picking Marth for players like Moky and Cody is a bold move considering they usually go toe to toe with Zain. If Amsa can implement Kodorin's approach he can do wonders tho
What is kodorins approach? I sort of felt like he has a hard time vs them?
Zain has won the last 6 sets against Moky and Cody is basically the best player vs marth in the world right now, the alternative of falco isn’t great looking either considering you’d have to get to a mango level of falco
Nice hair PP!
he is risen
let's go jello
especially after the debut, an aMSa falco lesson from PP would be a cool watch
:kreygasm: :kreygasm: :kreygasm:
Damn Amsa will have a Marth now? He will cause havok to all the Shieks.
"This character grabbing is cheating...what the heck!?"
was gonna comment this part too hahaha
Whats pps discord pfp from? If its from a show I'd like to watch it =)
It is from an anime called Baby Steps. It's my favorite anime! Didn't get finished though =(
I would love to see amsa give you yoshi lessons after this
I think not forward smashing will actually help aMSa learn marth, even if tis not the most efficient cheese
When is someone going to coach you on competiting again
Melee!
Get it amsa
when you go back to the competitive?
oh hi pp
Pretty sure Amsa's first fsmash was in minute 22 😂
You're as beautiful as the day I lost you.
Jello 🥲
omg
Did you lose interest in competition ?
no, I love competition!
@@PPMD1come back pp 😢 I need the bird to rise
Hi twitch. Hi getsou_Ch.
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