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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ค. 2024
- Toph sits down with some of Melee's most influential Marth players to discuss the evolution of the character, key moments in Melee history, and more.
0:00 - Introduction
0:33 - Why did you decide to play Marth?
7:56 - Who were your Marth inspirations?
11:11 - Mew2King's Marth style
15:43 - PPMD's neutral game vs. M2K's punish game
17:13 - How did Ken approach developing his Marth game?
22:18 - Breaking down Marth matchups
33:40 - Marth vs. Fox drama
37:36 - Social media's impact on Melee
40:05 - Is there value in playing Marth against weaker opponents?
42:09 - Where do you see Marth going in the next few years?
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The joy on ppmd's face when ken mentioned how much he enjoyed pp's marth was the best part of this ep
PP's reaction is so wholesome, it almost got a tear from my eyes :') Ken's right tho, I wanna see PPMD play again so bad
Do you have a timestamp friend?
@@robertwhite9621 from 45:06 for like 30s
@@robertwhite9621 45:10 ish
This lineup is so sick and has so much for every generation of melee player. Would've loved to see ppu though
PPU was more inspired than watching M2K and the rarely attending PP from 2013-15. I still play blue for da PPU
@@perryperry989 damn this is a sick idea
I miss PPU man he's so sick
Yeah, but it's already a little bit congested, and PPU would add to that
@@harpot678 He's talking about for people who make content, not just marths. You already know
Ken is the dude for still caring about melee
Respect to Ken as always. I feel like whether or not someone actually watches the video, you gotta give love to Ken 🤣. He’s one of the reasons why we’re all here today and that’s not a joke.
He's like master Roshi talking with all the Z fighters who have now surpassed him. Legend.
eh
Interesting that the Marth roundtable upped the number of players by quite a bit compared to the Falcon roundtable. I can't wait for the inevitable Fox roundtable when they bring on 50 guests.
there is only one more person than the falcon roundtable :P
Only 2 of the players on here though are active... I WANT MORE MARTH PLAY
TIL one more person is "quite a bit"
Just needs PPU
Fox roundtable is gonna be insufferable
23:59 “There’s one ruleset where stalling is pretty much solved, and that’s Rishi’s Jungle Jam” LOLLL
PPMD’s face after that too lol
lmao
comedic genius
I don't see what's so funny about this.
Nightmare blunt rotation
this made me laugh so much. Please, please elaborate so i can laugh some more
hahaga
@@Windraesa whats there to elaborate on? Ken and M2k are next to eachother. Awkkk
hahahhahahhahahhahahahahhaha
I honestly love ken bro he’s got like an old school traditional fgc swagger to him
Man says fuck your percents I do that on instinct
The Melee community definitely felt a lot more like the traditional fgc scene back in that day. Not that I don't love what it's turned into today but it was definitely cool back then
as in like obviously casual but looking too hard to relive the glory days
@@Silent_Tentacle cringe
He's Melee's Justin Wong. And that's a great thing
THIS is a stacked cast. very excited to watch this after work
Same... Probably gonna watch after class
Same here!
Zain needs to give himself more credit.. Sure, the pivot tipper punishes are old school, but all the soft bair, fair and uair links are all him. The UpB edgeguard bullshit, and all the edge cancel shenanigans? Like c'mon dude.. No one ever did any of that. You've brought the character firmly to #1 in several people's minds.
I’m one of them tbh. Idk when top players will come around to echoing the sentiment but marth is the best character in the game. When Zain is playing clean no one can even touch him. No matter who beats him it always feels like an upset, marth always feels like he should have won. Only exception is Axe but that matchup has a lot of development left to find and Zain is already looking for it.
in fairness i would never act anywhere near appreciative of my own skill around this line up, even if i was #1. just the nature of it all makes you humble
I agree, he's such a humble dude. It felt like Marth was falling off as a character until he came around and incorporated a lot of the tech the former Marths had not.
Zain literally took everything that made Ken, m2k and PP so good, put all those things together and did them all way better than any of them ever did
@@justsomeguy7042 My point is exactly that he didn't to just take their ideas. Show me one marth before Zain who's comboing Captain Falcon to 150 plus with soft up airs on final destination. And that's just one thing he invented.
Seeing Ken sets the bar high I need OG players at every round table now! Fox will have 25 people
Ken and M2K’s dynamic is hilarious to me
I think the Roundtable is the best thing to come out of GG Melee so far. With the current format, it's a valuable perspective into Melee's history throughout the years, while also having a perspective of where Melee is right now.
It's actually insane how much of m2k's melee discourse revolves around controllers
That was sick when ken complimented PP's marth ❤
Love to see Ken encouraging PP to play agai
Love how ken is still involved with melee one way or another. What a legend
45:00 Whoa! Ken saying what we're all thinking! We're rooting for you Kevin!
A gathering of greats.
Lol they did M2K dirty with the tournament performances they listed, where's Summit 6?
Other that than, GG Melee are legends for assembling this awesome Marth roundtable. Almost an hour of these players talking is a gift to the community.
Mango won Wtfox 2016
@@arbustoardiente noticed that too
I like how it implies that he hasn't won 3 majors
also did zain dirty for not putting his wins
Yeah also i was annoyed they didnt let pp tell his marth origin story.
Ken and M2k are litteraly my two favorite players and the reason i picked up marth around 2007. Was very happy to come home from work and see this video on my feed.
Honestly Armada and Hungrybix are my two favourites. Hungry box for his insanity and Armada for his peach. Just switched to peach (Daisy outfit melee) from Link (white tunic). My main obstacles are ganondorf and Roy played by my brother. Ganondorf with the up grab and Roy with just canceling my float game. Any suggestions specifically for Roy/Marth?
I've always thought Ken's Marth would look a lot like Zain's contemporary Marth if he had never stopped playing.
Charming to see the 2 red swordsmen pay respect to each other.
Old and New school kings
Agreed all around
I once saw someone comment on Ken playing on unranked and how even with not playing much he seemed much more innovative in his play. If Ken's hands stopped bothering him and he could practice again and develop his Marth more he'd probably resemble Zain. Ken came back towards the end of 2013 and by 2015 he was already shield dropping and power shielding lasers easily. He definitely has the capacity to learn new tech and apply it intelligently.
A random thing was in one of Ken's last tournaments before he retired the first time, Super Champ Combo, someone commented he started resembling M2K's Marth because he was wavedashing a lot more and seemed more juggle heavy. I think if Ken was able to train with Zain he'd probably be more like that. I would love a world where Zain and Ken are pushing Marth together.
To be honest it makes me feel sad they aren't.
Love how it looks like m2k is talking to Ken the whole time
Oldschool legend talking to another oldschool legend XD
M2k & Zain’s tourney results were odd choices. No summit for M2k, no genesis or shine for Zain.
Loved the video, just a tidbit. Great that you got Ken in
Really excited to see Rishi, but who are those other guys?
Not too sure, think they’ve had some decent results before so I don’t mind them being here.
bro fr like who THE FUCK is zain??!?!?!?
@@xertifiedthicc some guy I think he won a few tournament’s or something
Any one of these people could have been a full on great guest for radio melee. This is sick.
wish this was longer this is the kind of content melee needs
I agree !!!!
love seeing Inngenn get some props, getting that good in only a year is crazy
Dude idk if anybody else wants this but I seriously want a ken as a commentator
Ditto
Very cool idea
Would love a puff one with Hbox, 2saint, Solobattle, etc.
Maybe even try and get like KillaOR?
It would just be The King, Mang0, and Hbox
Def gotta get mang0
Lmfao
Mang0 too he's like the OG Puff
cool to hear about m2k's ume f-smash (like daigo's ume-shoryuken). Not random, but to a spectator looks totally random.
It's amazing watching all these generations of Marths on a call together! It's too bad they didn't make room for the one true Marth superhero:
Blur.
Yayuhz
🤣
Anyone else geek tf out over this? Gonna need a roundtable for the entire cast tbh
This is incredible! I can’t wait to watch
This was the best video ive seen all week, thank you
Holy fuck I didn’t expect Ken. Also great video, loved it.
Ken feels like the father of Melee.
These roundtables are SO SICK! And this one of course is just crazy stacked. Top tier content
This is one of the best pieces of melee content ever! Thank you for making this happen
Legendary line up
Holy shit
I was gonna say the same thing.
This is hype. Love seeing OGs like Ken on this content. Brings back the old days. B)
This was such an awesome roundtable, one for the history books. Please do more characters!
Thanks GG melee for putting this together, M2k and Kens insight are so interesting to hear
Seeing PPMD be so flattered and appreciative by Ken saying he loves watching him play was adorable. I love that for him
Phenomenal video, shout out to Ken. Absolute legend that we need more of, his survivor season is worth a watch if you haven't checked it out
I really like this video. Insane line up, good production. I also like the structure, everyone seems to have time to say something and its fair. It feels natural.
This was an amazing discussion, everyone was able to get their viewpoints out there well and it definitely changed some of my misconceptions.
thanks for getting this together great video
God what I wouldn’t give for a peach round-table with Adam, llod, polish, trif and kzhu
These are great. And shoutouts to Toph for being an awesome host!
So cool. Would LOVE to hear these guys talk more.
Insane you got Ken!!
I love how Ken just talks over m2k bc he wants to tell his story
He’s got the tenure 🤣
I love how Ken didn't stop talking because m2k interrupted
This discussion is so good, we need a part 2!
Great video and I love to hear from Ken and Mew2King about oldschool Melee.
But I have to make a correction. M2K got 3rd at WTFox 2016 (aka WTFox 2). Also bizarre to list FPS 2015 and Endgame 2016 as his highlighted tournaments when Summit 6, Shine 2016, and Super Champ combo are probably his most impressive tournaments (if we are just talking Melee). Maybe even UGC Smash Open, despite getting 2nd to Armada.
i thought there was no way this series could get more sick than the falcon roundtable, glad to be proven wrong! this is so absurdly cool
edit: i asked m2k if he played one or two games with ken and he insists it was just one, seems like we'll never know for sure...
I love seeing Ken back again!
Gg one of the best things to ever happen for melee content seriously
I would fangirl out so much to have ken get back involved in the scene more again.
Yoshi Roundtable: Amsa just talks by himself lmao
Ken!!!
I reckon a Fox roundtable will never get made cause they can't settle on who to invite lol
Take 1 fox from every year of Melee, the roundtable will have 20 people
if they invite hax money the simulation will crack
The only absolutes are probably Mang0, Leffen, PC Chris, and Chillindude (he's the OG Fox.)
The Mount Rushmore of Marth players + Rishi and Toph 🤣
I wonder if they tried to get Azen too. it wouldn’t surprise me if they tried, but he didn’t want to
No PPU though sadge
Marth Rushmore
Put some respect on Rishi without him Zain doesn't exist.
@@Buzzerman2120 word this is the real take away
I love this panel-style content!
"I still don't know he percents" - ken, 21:58 goated mentality
This was so cool! Would have loved to see some other retired legends like PPU or Hyprid but still enjoyed this a ton!!
"final destination or japan" i actually laughed out loud at that one hahahaha 35:02
A Luigi roundtable would be sick
This made me smile
I love Ken man, I just rewatched Survivor Gabon and he was an absolute savage on there, just like he is in melee.
This series is so sick
M2K never loses the opportunity to advertise his stuff
I love how M2K never stops talking
This is awesome to see all the different generations of the top marths.
This was uploaded on my birthday :)
so cool to see all the legends in a single call. zain asking ken questions is so cool.
Damn that ken to ppmd respect at the end.
Loveee the round table contact
These roundtables are the best melee content out there
YOOOOOOOOOO i can't believe you guys got ken too!!! :D he pioneered so much to not only the early marth meta but the early competitive melee meta!!
YEAHHHHH He is awesome!!!
Toph sorta playing role of host to a swarm of Marths is funny but this is a super cool idea. Having a panel to discuss character's progression and optimization
This type of talk is so good. Toph is a very good host too
The M2K metafy plug at the end was my favorite part.
this is dope af
i am actually blown away by the amount of inspiring melee players in one call together, i mean seeing ken in the melee scene is always crazy
Brooo this is hype
Day 30 of asking GG Melee to make a compilation of every time n0ne says “Zain...” like a disappointed parent
Also hell yeah this looks amazing
Holy crap the members of the panel are GOATed
This was a great video
Ken and m2k in the same video is a dream come true
This is gold!
This is such a cool video :)
Just found out about this. I know how hard it is to get this many people on the same time but love to see more
I love the metafy plug at the end by m2k, it's almost a meme at this point lol
9:42 I actually agree with Ken here. Zain feels like a 2022 Ken. All of M2K's kills are either optimized gimps or throw flowcharts. PPMD is its own thing, with more movement than any other.
I feel like PewPewU should be up here. Wasn't he the first Marth to implement pivot f-smash on Puff?
m2k also out of nowhere will go for a lolm2k side B meteor kill offstage down in the magnifying glass on his last stock in tournament so def not all optimized flowcharts
@@stayontrack All Marths reserve the right to style.
@@PalPlays What I'm saying is that not all of his kills are what you described. M2k also has insane neutral reads with fsmash to kill and he does plenty of other stuff.
@@stayontrack You're right.
@@stayontrack this made me burst out laughing
Back when they dropped the falcon roundtable i was a falcon main. Now I'm a marth main and this one drops. GG REALLY knows their audience
YES, this is what we need marth is so sick
Sweet video
After looking for the Ken interview on radio melee, this will certainly do