It’s funny because now they have to fight a literal space Hitler. This guy literally dropped rocks on the earth, and Moon and probably Mars just to get their attention. Trust me they have it with what they did.
Do you remember the scene with the striking belters. The father with his small daughter, who gave her a game pad, before the Earth navy killed them all albeit they were begging to accept their surrender. Do you remember this scene. These actions fueled the deep hatred of the Belters for Earth. It is, like today, the elites who are to blame. War to the palaces, peace to the huts. The Clintons, the Bezos', the Gates of this world. They are all guilty beyond forgiveness. They rig the system via lobbying, highly paid positions in the private sector after a political career, donations and other ways of influence to their benefit, bypassing all democratic principles. That why they got tax loop holes, can water down regulations, social and environmental standards, and also get away with literally murder (=> Epstein) to evermore increase their wealth and power at our expense.
I think one good measurement for myself on if I'm still doing the right thing is, if I have to kill people or if I'm just finding a good excuse to kill people.
He murdered billions of innocents, nothing Earth had done comes close to justifying his attack. He's not even fighting for the Belt either, he fights for himself, he's a narcissist who made a cult around himself. Look how he treats other belters. He was perfectly happy to blow up Tycho and murder thousands of belter just to destroy the Roci, he abandoned the belt's largest population center and left millions to starve when he didn't need them anymore, after his battle with the Roci he ordered his own soldiers to be killed for caring about their comrades. Marco only cares about himself.@@stillsearching1284
Wow he is such beautifully written villan. "Road to hell is paved with good intentions". Hypocrisy was also strong with him and i wanted puke through every of his speech. Excellent
I won't get to see this season until it comes out on blu ray but I hope crazy pants gets captured by his own people and handed over to the un for televised execution
People think Marco cause is wrong. But what they don’t realize millions of belters were treated as slave and third class citizens. They were murdered as shooting practice by the inners. The TV show does not show the atrocities made by the inners. You could say inner is the west and Mars is like the Russia/China both commited crimes against humanity. And belters are like people in Palestine, Kashmir, Aparthaid South Africa and African slaves. Yes two wrong does not make it right but no freedom ever achieved without violence. Evil is not defeated with kindness
Keya, so our Earther king (The butcher of Anderson station) signs a half-baked peace treaty with the inner planets and all of a sudden you expect us to gleefully forget generations of torment and atrocities committed on our kind?? This so-called "peace treaty" would have never lasted anyway. Sooner or later things would have dialed back and the exploitation of belt would have resumed again. We beltalowda never wanted an Earther to tell us how to run the belt. With Marco we have a leader who truly understands our pain. Now with protomolecule in our possession, the inners will take us seriously. They will learn to fear us and will think twice before taking our resources. No belter will live on the mercy of inner planets anymore! FINALLY, WE WILL BE FREE!!!
@@AxtonXtreme good one, but none of it will be the achievement of Inaros. Thats the cruel reality of his story. Despite stating that all he wants is the wellfare and rise of the Belt, literally all he achieves is leveling the Inner planets so that they have to invest too much into rebuilding themselves. The rise of the influence and power of the Belt would have come without him as well, all he is is a misguided megalomaniac, who is ready to take down everyone around him, rather than admitting his wrong.
With 3 rocks hitting earth, he legitimately opened hunting season, with earth being the hunter and the belter the pray. Killing multiple billion people, he turned himself into a warmonger
The brilliant part of Inaros is that you don't have to look too far to find people like him. People who look at history like a scoreboard and seek a twisted form of historical revenge for every perceived wrongdoing committed against their group. The problem is that, like in the show, history is not black and white with villains and monsters on both sides of every fight. And the terribly terrifying thing about Inaros and people like him is that, in their mind, they're completely justified in every horrible thing they do. It doesn't matter what evils they commit and how many bodies end up stacked at the bottom because it's all for the sake of rebalancing the scales. When you think you're on the side of the angels, you can justify pretty much everything because the ends will always justify the means. Even if the means include doing something as monumentally suicidal as devastating the only planet in the solar system naturally capable of supporting human life.
In the books apparently 15 billion people died on earth with millions dying on mars. I think this goes beyond a score board. Not that I don't agree with you as he and other like him see history very much as a point scoring system its just that this act of violence and savagery goes beyond any sort of point scoring. Make no mistake, this was an attempt at annihilation of earth, if all eight of those rocks hit, all of earth would end as the biosphere would completely collapse and stay ruined for millennia to come. Inaros has just permanently fucked earths biosphere for hundreds of years and couldn't complain one bit if the inners launched a nuclear first response against all belter outposts and stations. Palas, tycho, ceres and ganymede would all be legitimate targets to be glassed and of the millions living in the belt, it would count less then 1% of inner losses. Now I haven't read the books, but normally at this stage of a conflict peace would be impossible and belters regardless if they agreed or disagreed with inaros would be hunted down like dogs and killed. I'm sure there are other periods in history this has happened, but one case of total annihilation occurred when the roman empire defeated carthage in the 3rd punic war. Rome then went out of its way to enslave, butcher, loot and burn carthage and its citizens so much so that they reduced the whole city to rubble and afterward cursed the ruins so as to not be resettled by people. Inaros having completed such an attack should by normal standards, doomed all belters with his wanton savagery to a life of violence and ignoble ends.
Lol, what are Emmys? Oh you mean some odd award show filled with greed and (whatever else Marco used in his speech) that completely ignored the Expanse for years now (and apparently tons of other high quality sci Fi shows), and didn't even considered nomination of e.g. Dominique's performance this season (think what you will about the time spend on her story, the acting was immense) or the overall story, or visuals, or the score, or a bunch of other categories that the Expanse would've at the minimum deserved a nomination. At least I'm glad that i didn't really bothered about those awards before, now even less.
Keon Alexander really surprised me here. His speech could have been very card-bordy villianeous, instead it truly was arousing and engaging. Amazing actor, deserves more high-profile work.
Despite all of the inexcusable atrocities that Marco Inaros has committed, he has a point. Earth and Mars has treated the Belters like slaves in all but name for many generations. Marco Inaros is like a literal biblical Moses to the Belters.
Most of the entirety of Earth's population live in slums , they get basic necessity which is crap food and water . To blame all of Earth just shows how blind by hatred towards the Earth/Mars government he has and has no idea what he's talking about. The guy isn't looking out for the belt, he's looking out for himself
But throwing rocks at earth shows he doesnt care about belters, as in the books its revealed the ecosystem collapse caused by the asteroids means the belt will starve. They end up with only 3 years till station supplies run out while marco plays general
Good point, but instead of civilians, don't you mean non combatants or just collateral? It was a clever strategic victory, taking the protomolecule whilst simultaneously striking both Earth and Mars.
The Expanse is still undefeated in speeches. I love how Marco's kinda a schoolboy early, feeling like a rehearsed speech perhaps using teleprompter. But as he goes and gains confidence from the very words uttered, and especially at "citizens of the Belt, beratnas" he truly becomes the bloody mass murdering leader. And can you blame him? If Earth must come first so does the Belt. Excellent delivery and the high point of the season.
I mean the natural reaction would be NOOOO!!! But if you ever felt like ur on the Belters' side, or against injustice and opreccione, you better stay consistent and true to your preferred faction and say YESSS when he says "we are free".
Absolutely! Daniel Abraham, one half of James SA. Corey, wrote most of the speeches in the books, including the speech that this one is based off of. Errinwright's "if he spoke to a janitor he'd be passionately declaiming about a fucking mop!" rant in 306 was also his doing.
Specially when it was apparent to the UN Authorities that is was an attack after the 2nd rock hit. 3 rocks perhaps symbolizing the 3 jets that struck their targets, and the 4th rock (the one that got destroyed) perhaps symbolizing United 93, the one that never made it to its target.
Pretty sure that’s what the whole attack is an allusion to in the show, especially with how later in the season the S-G and his Cabinet want to attack civilian belter (Muslim) targets as some kind of revenge when in fact it’s only one group that did the attack.
Admiral Duarte will make Marco look tame in comparison, with what Sauveterre said in the last episode they are building something frightening on Laconia.
The cool thing about this villain is that in a way he's not totally wrong. What he just did to Earth is exactly what Earth has done to the Belt throughout the series. Since the start of the show, the Inners have slaughtered the inhabitants of Anderson Station, methodically eradicated the population of Eros for their own gain, and exported their own war against Mars away from their people, into the Belt, causing destruction. of Ganymede and the death of many belters civilians. If Earth and Mars have regularly slaughtered the Belt, it is only because the Belt could not defend itself or counterattack. And season 4 shows that despite the peace that Fred Johnson has imposed, the Inners are doing everything to recover their power by trying to oust the OPA from the Rings and by appropriating Worlds already colonized by belters refugees. In a sense, we can say that by this attack the Terrans reaped what they sowed, and that this revolution is necessary to prevent further massacres in the Belt. And on the other hand, despite all these arguments ... Marco Inaros is a war criminal who has just killed hundreds of millions of innocent people who asked for nothing. What he has done is monstrous. He is evil. I love this contradiction.
Except... no, its not. What Marco did is not at all what 'Earth' has done to the belt throughout the series. If Earth AND Mars had been intent on 'slaughtering' the Belters, the Belters would have been largely dead before the series began. Also, 'Inners' did not slaughter people on Anderson Station, or 'Methodically eradicated Eros'. It was a cabal of corrupt people on Mars, Earth, and, yes, some Belters, who ultimately caused these tragedies. The war itself was also something created by these corrupt few. It should be pointed out that the groups who moved against those events contained 'Inners'. In fact, without that one stubborn guy who wanted to do the right thing - the 'Inner' Holden - things would have been far worse. As for 'the Terrans reaped what they have sowed', are you serious? Half of Earth is on Basic, they're too busy scraping by to worry about whats going on in the Belt, much less 'do' anything to it. Most of the rest never went to space there's 31+ billion people on Earth. Even 1 of those 31 being involved in some way, shape or form is wildly optimistic. But for the sake of argument, lets say that: 1 out of 31, that's 3.23%. Let's be generous and say that's the proportion on Earth that's involved, most of them unknowingly, in what's happening in the Belt. Let's say these attacks took out 1 billion - and that's likely a small number compared to reality. It means that on 1000 millions, Marco killed 967.7 million innocents, including, what... 200 million Earth children and teens. Inaros killed more children and teens than there are people in the ENTIRE Belt (which is 50 to 100 million people). Let that sink in. How have these kids 'reaped what they sowed'? Are they guilty because of the few corrupt officials in the rogue Cabal? And if that's the case, following that logic all the way, doesn't that make ALL Belters guilty of Marco's crime? Doesn't that mean, when Earth and Mars come along for retribution (forget the Protomolecule, Holden will either get it back or destroy it), should all Belters be guilty and have 'reaped what they sowed?' That's why I say: Marco Inaros was COMPLETELY wrong. One side killing 10 people is not made right by killing 20,000 (which is the proportion of the 'Inner' and 'Belter' atrocities. It pisses me off, this excusing a terrorist and trying to say he's got a point. He doesn't have a POINT. All he has is an atrocity committed on millions and millions of innocents.
The important thing to understand is: It's not Earth, who slaughterd the station, it's Fred Johnson. It's not Earth who eradicated the population of Eros, it's Protogen and Jules Pierre Mao. And it's not the belt who murdered billions of earthers, it's Marco Inaros and his crew. This is a problem in real life too, people are quick to judge a whole nation, ethnicity for the crimes of a few people who are happens to be the part of that group.
@@whoami30204 Osama and the Che share a lot of similarities. I dont see the conflict on the statement (I would add any cult leader from the last fifty years to the Inaros mix)
I hate that fucker. But damm... he can really give a pretty epic and rousing speech. Great villain: charismatic, smart, rutless, devoid of humanitiy (except when he is manipulating someone).
My only beef with this scene is that I'm not sure how receptive a spacefaring culture would be to a waving flag background. Yeah, they could wave their flags around in a ship, sure, but I'd think they'd go for the OPA logo on a metallic ship's-hull background, or at least a static flag nailed to the outside of a ship.
It's waving because it's next to the air recycler :) Jokes aside, one could make an argument that the message is intended not only for belters, but also for earth. But more likely they just used imagery that the show viewers would easily recognise.
The 'greater good' is the alibi of every atrocity throughout history. What's frightening is that there are people like Inaros in real life, who truly believe themselves to be on the side of the angels, that their ends justify the means. Yes Earth and Mars have oppressed the Belt for generations but all of this will continue the cycle of hate, of vengeance. Millions dead, entire families ruined and he doesn't think Earth and Mars will want retribution? That they will unleashed hell on the Belt the likes of which they've never seen? On another note give it up for Keon Alexander, he plays a fabulous anti villain!
@@Soulfly415 yea, I was just starting to cope with the fact that it was cancelled and then boom...they hit us with such a phenomenal episode, showing it’s potential to be the greatest sci-fi show of all time. It’s bittersweet. It’s almost as if the better the episode, the more it’s like throwing salt on the wound.
People on here need to look online first... The writers of the show only wanted it on amazon prime until the end of season 6. The last 3 seasons they'll do on another streaming service
Marco Inaros, the Expanse's version of Vladimir Lenin and Che Guevara. Revolutionary leaders so fit on purging the unjust that they ended up far more terrifying and dangerous, with the charisma and knowledge to support their revolutionary drives. Things will be fun going forward now.
@@aboubacaramine8689 That's up for debate. Lenin's actions led to the suffering and death of millions, and Guevara was not Mr. Nice Guy when it came to his war. The only reason they never went as far as Inaros was because they didn't have the power to. Marco does.
@@aboubacaramine8689 "Comrades! The kulak uprising in your five districts must be crushed without pity ... You must make example of these people. (1) Hang (I mean hang publicly, so that people see it) at least 100 kulaks, rich bastards, and known bloodsuckers. (2) Publish their names. (3) Seize all their grain. (4) Single out the hostages per my instructions in yesterday's telegram. Do all this so that for miles around people see it all, understand it, tremble, and tell themselves that we are killing the bloodthirsty kulaks and that we will continue to do so ... Yours, Lenin. P.S. Find tougher people. " Can you seriously read that and not think that Lenin would have killed a billion people if he thought it was necessary for the revolution?
The madness of Inaros is not as big as his brilliance, he accomplished a victory that Mars couldn't even fathom with three rocks and a relatively small group of likeminded individuals, and as right as he is to make Earth suffer (in the show, the Eros incident ended the lives of nearly half of the lives of the belt), one cannot deny the madness... But also one shouldn't ignore the brilliance of this, that act of violence will change history, for better or for worse.
@@murciadoxial8056 I said our civilization, and I'm a European. And most of the the great museums are in Europe: the Rosetta stone, the Nefertiti bust and many non European pieces of great art are also stored there.
@@Ares99999 Is not like the rogue martians told him EXACTLY what to do, if this was a group project it would be the equivalent of mars buying the high end pc where inaros edits the presentation, while inaros does all of the research and editing, and mars slaps their name on the credits of the presentation because they bought the pc, he is a pawn like pinochet was a pawn, he is a pawn like hitler was a pawn. He got the resources from someone else, but he used them so efficiently that he accomplished a victory that mars couldn't even touch with planet killers and a full navy.
Violence is of course sometimes (oftentimes tbh) necessary, but using mass murder as a path to self-determination is hands down the worst possible way to go about trying to get it.
It's a shame that this show will end after S6. All the people who love the show but don't read the books will be stripped of some great revelations about what's happening right now on S5.
Something I notice in the background. 0:37 we seem to be looking at fire control station, which seem to show 4 torpedo magazine, each displaying torpedo complement of 40 torpedoes. This seem to implies that Pella-type light cruiser can carry at least 160 torpedoes.
Great villain and an awesome speech in the literal sense of that word. His rise was perhaps a bit.. convenient? Like I feel like he must've got so fucking lucky at so many points for his plan to perfectly come together like it did but nonetheless. When the Asteroids hit earth, I felt disgust. Its not often a show invokes a genuine feeling of loathing like that. It was just so.. wasteful.. Many lifetimes worth of structures and people, lost in petty retribution.
I felt the same disgust. Made me hate the belters more (even when we see the shit they go trough). All the wars are made for the same reason: megalomaniac minds.
@@JunguianPhantom even more stupid when you realise that without earth, the belt will die too. Only fertile soil comes from earth, and you cant grow edible food on the alien planets. He nearly killed his own people just to prove a point
If you don't know Inaros (which is the case of almost all inhabitants of the system) it's quite easy to believe him and rejoice with him. This speech is brilliant because it only says true things (except for the project part haha).
@@ericmcconnaughey2782 So nothing. I wasn’t being critical of the show (or, for that matter, this particular scene, which I thought was terrific). I just thought it was an interesting thing to point out, since an ordinary read of the scene would be that Marco’s audience were all watching him at the same time, which would have been impossible.
great performance indeed. imo marco's speech in the airlock before the leader of faction vote to space him or not was very impression too. Pretty much his life depended on that speech more or less.
He murdered literally billions of people, the vast majority of whom had done nothing to the Belt, yeah I'd say that's pretty villainous. He also is happy to murder his own people for his gain, he tried to destroy Tycho station just to destroy the Roci, that would have killed thousands of belters, he left the millions on Ceres to starve when they were no longer useful to him. Marco talks about fighting for the Belt but he only really cares about himself, he uses the Belt for himself. Yeah he's a villain.@@diamantemrobinson
People think Marco cause is wrong. But what they don’t realize millions of belters were treated as slave and third class citizens. They were murdered as shooting practice by the inners. The TV show does not show the atrocities made by the inners. You could say inner is the west and Mars is like the Russia/China both commited crimes against humanity. And belters are like people in Palestine, Kashmir, Aparthaid South Africa and African slaves. Yes two wrong does not make it right but no freedom ever achieved without violence. Evil is not defeated with kindness.
It’s true that Belters have been oppressed unjustly, but what Marco went beyond any justified retribution. He murdered 15 BILLION PEOPLE, the vast majority of whom had absolutely nothing to do with the oppression carried out by the government of Earth. Also, Marco isn’t fighting for the Belt at all anyway. He’s only fighting for himself, he hates Inners but he doesn’t care about his people either. He manipulates them into worshiping him as a savior, then abandons the largest population center in the belt to starve and die once they’re of no use to him. He was happy to destroy Tycho station and kill thousands of Belters just to destroy the Rocinante. He ordered his soldiers to be spaced for the crime of caring about their comrades. Most of his followers were genuine patriots fighting for their people(the it still doesn’t justify the murder of billions) but Marco was just a narcissistic psychopath.
Marco: We respect Earth and Mars' right to exist... Me: Ok, sounds fair. Marco: But we call dibs on the Ring Gate and everything it entails. Me: This guy's nuts!
He went way too far in saying that earth and mars couldn't operate outside their own atmosphere. He pretty much told them they can't even go to their own moons without it being a violation. He left them no choice but to violate it and get hit. And that's a big part of what rallied everyone against him.
I can't really disagree with inaros here. Almost the entire economy of the solar system was dependant on resources of the belt and hence the labor of belters. And how were the belters treated?! Like absolute garbage. The story of Fred Johnson and Anderson station is just an example of how inners treated belters. The inners pushed the belt to the point of desperation and in their desperation they relied on a man like inaros to help attain their independence and freedom that they desire and be free from the oppression of the inners. They brought this on themselves, they pushed the belt to the point of desperation and they pushed back.
What Marco did was wrong, but the inner planets arguably brought this on themselves for their continuous mistreatment of belters. The OPA even tried to play by their rules in season 4, but weren't taken seriously then. For better or worse, they are being taken seriously now.
Love how you make killing millions sounds legit when the only culprits are still alive and well, for most. You say "The Inners" as if each of them were responsible of this, when it's hardly even 0,01% of them who did all of this. It's easy to justify mass murdering when everyone's put in the same basket. What Marco Inaros really did, was killing almost as many innocent lives that there is Beletrs in the Galaxy. And that is all.
Less a freedom fighter more a wannabe dictator. History shows that many people who have sought to lead oppressed people's end up becoming just as bad as their oppressors, Marco may be fictional but he is a reflection of sooooo many others like him throughout human history. There are oppressors and there are the oppressed, and Marco is just another oppressor.
I'm not sure I'm cool with the decision with Fred they made. From what I've researched his arc is slightly different in the books from what happened this season.
Without dwelving into book spoilers: it's true that Fred hadn't died at this point in the books yet, but I see why they made the choice to kill him off early. I think it works, but I'm curious to see how they are going to adapt his 'original' death in Babylon's Ashes (Book 6).
While I am happy that people like Avasarala existed I probably would be in the obliterate the belt camp. Without live soil bacteria (Earth exclusive export) there's no food. Marco was always going to preside over a broken, starving empire if he won.
There's a reason Che Guevara fought in a lot of revolutions but never stuck around for the peace that came after. It's much easier to blow up trains than to make them run on time.
@@kaylonjames4621 I like how in the show they assume all inners are the same. When Holden and his crew are the literal proof that they are not. This issue with the belters vs inners could easily be solved. Let the belters take their hate and prejudice through the rings and shut the fucking doors.
Subtitles have been added!
Edit: And a transcription of Marco's speech can be found in the video's description
Marco: I don't need subtitles! Pe-ter pi-per picked a pack of pickled peppers....
Wait! There respective atmospheres, so would earth have jurisdiction over Luna, or jars over phebos and demos?
"You know what's your problem? You think that because someone is the underdog, they're the good guy."
That was a great quote!
Where's that quote from?
@@ethanlauder4887 episode 2 I think
@@ethanlauder4887 Bull says this to Holden at the start of the season.
And we see that clearly in the real world.
Notice the instant switch to heavy belter accent when he starts addressing the "citizens of the belt". Cool attention to detail!
Beratnas :D
A detail from the book
It's a cold ass speech but I can't help but laugh at the random "citizwens of da bewlt :3"
It’s terrifying how charismatic he is. I genuinely believe how all those people would follow him. Brilliant acting.
Same like I am just in awe of him weirdly
@@Esther22755 Agreed. It’s both awe-inspiring and horrifying just how much he is able to inspire.
Same charisma as Hitler. Rallying the dumb ones to make a war
It’s funny because now they have to fight a literal space Hitler. This guy literally dropped rocks on the earth, and Moon and probably Mars just to get their attention. Trust me they have it with what they did.
@@machaolesplendide Thats exactly what I though.
My God, he barely blinks troughout this entire speech. Keon really knocked it out of the park with this scene. Incredibly terrifying.
They really knew what they were doing when they chose him.
If there's anyone who could be a genuine military commander for the OPA, it would be Marco Inaros.
The Expanse has consistently made excellent casting choices, Cas Anvar's history notwithstanding.
Highly doubt it was all one take.
The best villains are heroes in their own minds.
Do you remember the scene with the striking belters. The father with his small daughter, who gave her a game pad, before the Earth navy killed them all albeit they were begging to accept their surrender. Do you remember this scene. These actions fueled the deep hatred of the Belters for Earth.
It is, like today, the elites who are to blame. War to the palaces, peace to the huts.
The Clintons, the Bezos', the Gates of this world. They are all guilty beyond forgiveness. They rig the system via lobbying, highly paid positions in the private sector after a political career, donations and other ways of influence to their benefit, bypassing all democratic principles. That why they got tax loop holes, can water down regulations, social and environmental standards, and also get away with literally murder (=> Epstein) to evermore increase their wealth and power at our expense.
If the wealthy and powerful are not forced to contribute to the good of society, they will inevitably take more and more from it.
The sad thing is, from the rest of the Belt's perspective, he is.
they are just pathetic with God complex
I think one good measurement for myself on if I'm still doing the right thing is, if I have to kill people or if I'm just finding a good excuse to kill people.
Absolutely crushed this speech. Inaros is a brilliant, but scarily believable villain
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It's an absolutely retarded villain. Frieza from DBZ is ten times better. Frieza from a 40 years old dumb series for japanese teens.
The world is full of Inaros nowadays. Thats what makes him an excellent villain, because he is realistic (leaving all the sci fi aspect)
He isn't really a villain. He was doing what needed to be done to free the belt.
He murdered billions of innocents, nothing Earth had done comes close to justifying his attack. He's not even fighting for the Belt either, he fights for himself, he's a narcissist who made a cult around himself. Look how he treats other belters. He was perfectly happy to blow up Tycho and murder thousands of belter just to destroy the Roci, he abandoned the belt's largest population center and left millions to starve when he didn't need them anymore, after his battle with the Roci he ordered his own soldiers to be killed for caring about their comrades. Marco only cares about himself.@@stillsearching1284
Wow he is such beautifully written villan. "Road to hell is paved with good intentions". Hypocrisy was also strong with him and i wanted puke through every of his speech. Excellent
I know, right!
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I won't get to see this season until it comes out on blu ray but I hope crazy pants gets captured by his own people and handed over to the un for televised execution
Gee, aren't we tired of puking with current politics?
People think Marco cause is wrong. But what they don’t realize millions of belters were treated as slave and third class citizens. They were murdered as shooting practice by the inners. The TV show does not show the atrocities made by the inners. You could say inner is the west and Mars is like the Russia/China both commited crimes against humanity. And belters are like people in Palestine, Kashmir, Aparthaid South Africa and African slaves.
Yes two wrong does not make it right but no freedom ever achieved without violence. Evil is not defeated with kindness
Fred Johnson and million of OPA fighters have already achieved a peaceful agreement with earth, Marco just have to shit on everything.
Keya, so our Earther king (The butcher of Anderson station) signs a half-baked peace treaty with the inner planets and all of a sudden you expect us to gleefully forget generations of torment and atrocities committed on our kind?? This so-called "peace treaty" would have never lasted anyway. Sooner or later things would have dialed back and the exploitation of belt would have resumed again.
We beltalowda never wanted an Earther to tell us how to run the belt. With Marco we have a leader who truly understands our pain. Now with protomolecule in our possession, the inners will take us seriously. They will learn to fear us and will think twice before taking our resources. No belter will live on the mercy of inner planets anymore!
FINALLY, WE WILL BE FREE!!!
@@AxtonXtreme good one, but none of it will be the achievement of Inaros. Thats the cruel reality of his story. Despite stating that all he wants is the wellfare and rise of the Belt, literally all he achieves is leveling the Inner planets so that they have to invest too much into rebuilding themselves. The rise of the influence and power of the Belt would have come without him as well, all he is is a misguided megalomaniac, who is ready to take down everyone around him, rather than admitting his wrong.
@@AxtonXtreme Yes bossman
Fred Johnson is not the voice of the belt. His faction doesn’t speak for anyone else and he’s an earther.
@@AxtonXtreme i read this with the made up belter dialect, damn.
I think I need an OPA Zoom background for my meetings / Also the dude behind Holden at 1:04 is having the worst day lol
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you should also call your boss bosmang
@@spbspb2413 And your colleagues beratnas.
@@spbspb2413 Problem is, my boss is more of an Errinwright than a Dawes :(
*“1 would have been a triumph… 2 showed our tactical brilliance… and with 3, the Inners will never perceive us as weak again!”*
With 3 rocks hitting earth, he legitimately opened hunting season, with earth being the hunter and the belter the pray. Killing multiple billion people, he turned himself into a warmonger
@@the_biggest_chungus7508 would have been a real "Curb your enthusiasm" moment if Earth had nuked Ceres before he sent out his message.
The music is really really good here.
Especially the part starting at 1:32 :D This season has had great music so far, pretty sure it's gonna be the best season in that aspect.
It has this triumphant yet ominous feel to it.
The brilliant part of Inaros is that you don't have to look too far to find people like him. People who look at history like a scoreboard and seek a twisted form of historical revenge for every perceived wrongdoing committed against their group. The problem is that, like in the show, history is not black and white with villains and monsters on both sides of every fight. And the terribly terrifying thing about Inaros and people like him is that, in their mind, they're completely justified in every horrible thing they do. It doesn't matter what evils they commit and how many bodies end up stacked at the bottom because it's all for the sake of rebalancing the scales. When you think you're on the side of the angels, you can justify pretty much everything because the ends will always justify the means.
Even if the means include doing something as monumentally suicidal as devastating the only planet in the solar system naturally capable of supporting human life.
Mao ZeDung is a great example of this. His revolution was based on violence, and so were his reforms. Millions died at his hand.
In the books apparently 15 billion people died on earth with millions dying on mars. I think this goes beyond a score board. Not that I don't agree with you as he and other like him see history very much as a point scoring system its just that this act of violence and savagery goes beyond any sort of point scoring. Make no mistake, this was an attempt at annihilation of earth, if all eight of those rocks hit, all of earth would end as the biosphere would completely collapse and stay ruined for millennia to come. Inaros has just permanently fucked earths biosphere for hundreds of years and couldn't complain one bit if the inners launched a nuclear first response against all belter outposts and stations. Palas, tycho, ceres and ganymede would all be legitimate targets to be glassed and of the millions living in the belt, it would count less then 1% of inner losses.
Now I haven't read the books, but normally at this stage of a conflict peace would be impossible and belters regardless if they agreed or disagreed with inaros would be hunted down like dogs and killed. I'm sure there are other periods in history this has happened, but one case of total annihilation occurred when the roman empire defeated carthage in the 3rd punic war. Rome then went out of its way to enslave, butcher, loot and burn carthage and its citizens so much so that they reduced the whole city to rubble and afterward cursed the ruins so as to not be resettled by people. Inaros having completed such an attack should by normal standards, doomed all belters with his wanton savagery to a life of violence and ignoble ends.
@@Marth667 the belters have complained about how earth and mars has treated them. They then go and kill innocents like them. Just pure hypocrisy
That is not brilliant. It's just stupid.
@@connarkent282 Your guilty of the same thing only SOME belters were involved many were against what Marcos did
Can you say Emmy. One of the finest scenes of the entire series IMO. Poor Filip, he never had a chance in life.
Lol, what are Emmys? Oh you mean some odd award show filled with greed and (whatever else Marco used in his speech) that completely ignored the Expanse for years now (and apparently tons of other high quality sci Fi shows), and didn't even considered nomination of e.g. Dominique's performance this season (think what you will about the time spend on her story, the acting was immense) or the overall story, or visuals, or the score, or a bunch of other categories that the Expanse would've at the minimum deserved a nomination. At least I'm glad that i didn't really bothered about those awards before, now even less.
One of the best speeches of all time. Inaros is dangerously charismatic.
Keon Alexander really surprised me here. His speech could have been very card-bordy villianeous, instead it truly was arousing and engaging. Amazing actor, deserves more high-profile work.
Doesn't matter how many times I watch this scene, I still get goosebumps.
1:03 the pain in this Belter-eyes because he knows that the answer from the inner will come. Brilliant backround acting!
Despite all of the inexcusable atrocities that Marco Inaros has committed, he has a point. Earth and Mars has treated the Belters like slaves in all but name for many generations. Marco Inaros is like a literal biblical Moses to the Belters.
Dat some deep yo
you mean an ultra jihadi?
Most of the entirety of Earth's population live in slums , they get basic necessity which is crap food and water .
To blame all of Earth just shows how blind by hatred towards the Earth/Mars government he has and has no idea what he's talking about.
The guy isn't looking out for the belt, he's looking out for himself
And yet anderson dawes and still sided with earth and mars
But throwing rocks at earth shows he doesnt care about belters, as in the books its revealed the ecosystem collapse caused by the asteroids means the belt will starve. They end up with only 3 years till station supplies run out while marco plays general
I might actually support Marco if he didn’t target civilians like that and claim virtually the entire universe for the belt.
Good point, but instead of civilians, don't you mean non combatants or just collateral? It was a clever strategic victory, taking the protomolecule whilst simultaneously striking both Earth and Mars.
He's an extremist which is why Fred Johnson or drummer were better to lead the belt
@@username.exenotfound2943 extesmists get proven right a lot
@@isabellakristen2153 the plan was actually Duarte's, and the protomolecule was given to Duarte's Laconian faction.
God this show is amazing
The books are just as good
@@jinxed071202 thanks. I plan to read them one day
The speech, the music, the importance of this event. This serie man.. pff Best modern Sci-fi?
The Expanse is still undefeated in speeches. I love how Marco's kinda a schoolboy early, feeling like a rehearsed speech perhaps using teleprompter. But as he goes and gains confidence from the very words uttered, and especially at "citizens of the Belt, beratnas" he truly becomes the bloody mass murdering leader. And can you blame him? If Earth must come first so does the Belt. Excellent delivery and the high point of the season.
I mean the natural reaction would be NOOOO!!! But if you ever felt like ur on the Belters' side, or against injustice and opreccione, you better stay consistent and true to your preferred faction and say YESSS when he says "we are free".
Absolutely! Daniel Abraham, one half of James SA. Corey, wrote most of the speeches in the books, including the speech that this one is based off of. Errinwright's "if he spoke to a janitor he'd be passionately declaiming about a fucking mop!" rant in 306 was also his doing.
I agree on the undefeated speeches. Klaes Ashford was one great philosophical dude with plenty of insight.
Marco's theme makes this scene even better !
I hope this isn't the last show or movie we see this amazing actor in.
A dictator is born.
I feel that the word dictator is too small for this one.
@@murciadoxial8056 A bloodthirsty dictator is born.
In the books he kills about 15 billion people
@@murciadoxial8056 hero
@@neofatalis hero
The Belter attack gave me 9/11 vibes.
Specially when it was apparent to the UN Authorities that is was an attack after the 2nd rock hit. 3 rocks perhaps symbolizing the 3 jets that struck their targets, and the 4th rock (the one that got destroyed) perhaps symbolizing United 93, the one that never made it to its target.
@@AirShark95 ooh that's a good observation
I have a feeling people are going to be asking for many, many years to come, "Where were you when the rocks fell?"
One year war vibe...more than half of humanity perished.
Pretty sure that’s what the whole attack is an allusion to in the show, especially with how later in the season the S-G and his Cabinet want to attack civilian belter (Muslim) targets as some kind of revenge when in fact it’s only one group that did the attack.
When your wrong but you think your right, and you got an army behind you.
Makes you verrrrry dangerous.
It also makes you right.
Makes it sound like Marxists
And if you win, you’re correct.
Kerbodynamic X exactly. Right and Wrong, they are just words, only given meaning by the winners.
I like how he doesn’t have a belter tattoo showing that he isn’t in it for the culture and cause of his people but just for himself
With Marco, it's more "taking credit" than taking any kind of real responsibility for anything.
Claiming responsibility is normal language used in connection with terrorist attacks, so it fits.
The music in this scene is so good. I wish they’d release it.
Admiral Duarte will make Marco look tame in comparison, with what Sauveterre said in the last episode they are building something frightening on Laconia.
The cool thing about this villain is that in a way he's not totally wrong. What he just did to Earth is exactly what Earth has done to the Belt throughout the series. Since the start of the show, the Inners have slaughtered the inhabitants of Anderson Station, methodically eradicated the population of Eros for their own gain, and exported their own war against Mars away from their people, into the Belt, causing destruction. of Ganymede and the death of many belters civilians. If Earth and Mars have regularly slaughtered the Belt, it is only because the Belt could not defend itself or counterattack. And season 4 shows that despite the peace that Fred Johnson has imposed, the Inners are doing everything to recover their power by trying to oust the OPA from the Rings and by appropriating Worlds already colonized by belters refugees. In a sense, we can say that by this attack the Terrans reaped what they sowed, and that this revolution is necessary to prevent further massacres in the Belt.
And on the other hand, despite all these arguments ... Marco Inaros is a war criminal who has just killed hundreds of millions of innocent people who asked for nothing. What he has done is monstrous. He is evil.
I love this contradiction.
Except... no, its not. What Marco did is not at all what 'Earth' has done to the belt throughout the series. If Earth AND Mars had been intent on 'slaughtering' the Belters, the Belters would have been largely dead before the series began.
Also, 'Inners' did not slaughter people on Anderson Station, or 'Methodically eradicated Eros'. It was a cabal of corrupt people on Mars, Earth, and, yes, some Belters, who ultimately caused these tragedies. The war itself was also something created by these corrupt few. It should be pointed out that the groups who moved against those events contained 'Inners'. In fact, without that one stubborn guy who wanted to do the right thing - the 'Inner' Holden - things would have been far worse.
As for 'the Terrans reaped what they have sowed', are you serious? Half of Earth is on Basic, they're too busy scraping by to worry about whats going on in the Belt, much less 'do' anything to it. Most of the rest never went to space there's 31+ billion people on Earth. Even 1 of those 31 being involved in some way, shape or form is wildly optimistic. But for the sake of argument, lets say that: 1 out of 31, that's 3.23%. Let's be generous and say that's the proportion on Earth that's involved, most of them unknowingly, in what's happening in the Belt.
Let's say these attacks took out 1 billion - and that's likely a small number compared to reality. It means that on 1000 millions, Marco killed 967.7 million innocents, including, what... 200 million Earth children and teens.
Inaros killed more children and teens than there are people in the ENTIRE Belt (which is 50 to 100 million people). Let that sink in. How have these kids 'reaped what they sowed'? Are they guilty because of the few corrupt officials in the rogue Cabal?
And if that's the case, following that logic all the way, doesn't that make ALL Belters guilty of Marco's crime? Doesn't that mean, when Earth and Mars come along for retribution (forget the Protomolecule, Holden will either get it back or destroy it), should all Belters be guilty and have 'reaped what they sowed?'
That's why I say: Marco Inaros was COMPLETELY wrong. One side killing 10 people is not made right by killing 20,000 (which is the proportion of the 'Inner' and 'Belter' atrocities.
It pisses me off, this excusing a terrorist and trying to say he's got a point. He doesn't have a POINT. All he has is an atrocity committed on millions and millions of innocents.
@@Ares99999 I understand what you’re saying but in this case the oppressor became the hunter now
@@joasbenjamin7926 The Earther on Basic back on Earth were 'Oppressors' how, exactly?
@@Ares99999 I meant the oppressed ( the belters) they have been enduring this for generations, the inners created people like Marco
The important thing to understand is:
It's not Earth, who slaughterd the station, it's Fred Johnson. It's not Earth who eradicated the population of Eros, it's Protogen and Jules Pierre Mao. And it's not the belt who murdered billions of earthers, it's Marco Inaros and his crew.
This is a problem in real life too, people are quick to judge a whole nation, ethnicity for the crimes of a few people who are happens to be the part of that group.
Man this season is incredible. It has taken the show to a new level. Amazing!
Dude is a great villain. Like hit it out of the park.
They modeled him off of guys like Che Guevera.
Dangerous, Charismatic, tactical, and a total zealot...
He's a really good villain overall.
More like Hitler...
@@kerbodynamicx472 No, he is not aggressive and angry on the speech, just subtle and seductive, and also has spanish/latin looking
Osama, not Che lmfao
@@whoami30204 Osama and the Che share a lot of similarities. I dont see the conflict on the statement (I would add any cult leader from the last fifty years to the Inaros mix)
@@JunguianPhantom he might have similarities, but everything about his demeanour, rhetoric, and the actions he did are obvious al qaeda expies lol
1:15 sucks for the Moon then.
The actor is next level. Marco is real in my mind. Fantastic acting.
He seems so much larger than life until you see him next to Cyn, or Filip, or anyone. He's a Space Napoleon.
I really like him, but he seems to misunderstand that independence and supremecy are two very different goals.
I hate that fucker. But damm... he can really give a pretty epic and rousing speech. Great villain: charismatic, smart, rutless, devoid of humanitiy (except when he is manipulating someone).
My only beef with this scene is that I'm not sure how receptive a spacefaring culture would be to a waving flag background. Yeah, they could wave their flags around in a ship, sure, but I'd think they'd go for the OPA logo on a metallic ship's-hull background, or at least a static flag nailed to the outside of a ship.
It's waving because it's next to the air recycler :)
Jokes aside, one could make an argument that the message is intended not only for belters, but also for earth. But more likely they just used imagery that the show viewers would easily recognise.
This episode was fcking crazyyy
The 'greater good' is the alibi of every atrocity throughout history. What's frightening is that there are people like Inaros in real life, who truly believe themselves to be on the side of the angels, that their ends justify the means. Yes Earth and Mars have oppressed the Belt for generations but all of this will continue the cycle of hate, of vengeance. Millions dead, entire families ruined and he doesn't think Earth and Mars will want retribution? That they will unleashed hell on the Belt the likes of which they've never seen? On another note give it up for Keon Alexander, he plays a fabulous anti villain!
He doesn't care. To him, he's right and every dead Belter is a martyr whose name will be etched in glory in the memorials of the future.
Has there ever been another adaptation that not only lives up to, but exceeds the book?
We'll talk about how much it lives up to the books, when they cancel the show after book/season 6 and slap us in the face.
@@Soulfly415 yea, I was just starting to cope with the fact that it was cancelled and then boom...they hit us with such a phenomenal episode, showing it’s potential to be the greatest sci-fi show of all time. It’s bittersweet. It’s almost as if the better the episode, the more it’s like throwing salt on the wound.
@@Soulfly415 saved it once we can save it agane
@@Soulfly415 trust me, it’s not going anywhere. They have a plan
People on here need to look online first... The writers of the show only wanted it on amazon prime until the end of season 6. The last 3 seasons they'll do on another streaming service
I dont understand the politics in this show but boy is he charismatic. Awesome speech. I would root for this guy.
same as in the real world
How ironic that they used crossroads part of the speech of fred from laviathan wakes in the same episode they killed him
Marco Inaros, the Expanse's version of Vladimir Lenin and Che Guevara. Revolutionary leaders so fit on purging the unjust that they ended up far more terrifying and dangerous, with the charisma and knowledge to support their revolutionary drives. Things will be fun going forward now.
Lenin and Che didn't kill a billion people..
@@aboubacaramine8689 That's up for debate. Lenin's actions led to the suffering and death of millions, and Guevara was not Mr. Nice Guy when it came to his war. The only reason they never went as far as Inaros was because they didn't have the power to. Marco does.
@@shadowwarrior3444 open a history book that was not written by a westerner, you'll find some interesting stuff..
@@aboubacaramine8689 "Comrades! The kulak uprising in your five districts must be crushed without pity ... You must make example of these people. (1) Hang (I mean hang publicly, so that people see it) at least 100 kulaks, rich bastards, and known bloodsuckers. (2) Publish their names. (3) Seize all their grain. (4) Single out the hostages per my instructions in yesterday's telegram. Do all this so that for miles around people see it all, understand it, tremble, and tell themselves that we are killing the bloodthirsty kulaks and that we will continue to do so ... Yours, Lenin. P.S. Find tougher people.
"
Can you seriously read that and not think that Lenin would have killed a billion people if he thought it was necessary for the revolution?
This guy is Kane with hair.
Peace through power
Exactly, if you want peace you first need to fight for it.
The madness of Inaros is not as big as his brilliance, he accomplished a victory that Mars couldn't even fathom with three rocks and a relatively small group of likeminded individuals, and as right as he is to make Earth suffer (in the show, the Eros incident ended the lives of nearly half of the lives of the belt), one cannot deny the madness... But also one shouldn't ignore the brilliance of this, that act of violence will change history, for better or for worse.
Imagine it had been Europe, the cultural heritage of our civilization destroyed and gone forever.
@@bluerisk Yeah... Shame that civilization is only a european thing...
@@murciadoxial8056 I said our civilization, and I'm a European. And most of the the great museums are in Europe: the Rosetta stone, the Nefertiti bust and many non European pieces of great art are also stored there.
Inaros is just a pawn of the Laconian Empire. Without the help of the rogue Mars faction, all he'd have been is a small-time pirate.
@@Ares99999 Is not like the rogue martians told him EXACTLY what to do, if this was a group project it would be the equivalent of mars buying the high end pc where inaros edits the presentation, while inaros does all of the research and editing, and mars slaps their name on the credits of the presentation because they bought the pc, he is a pawn like pinochet was a pawn, he is a pawn like hitler was a pawn.
He got the resources from someone else, but he used them so efficiently that he accomplished a victory that mars couldn't even touch with planet killers and a full navy.
The bottom line is something more Sinister is coming their way in season 6 the unknown aggressors
Violence is of course sometimes (oftentimes tbh) necessary, but using mass murder as a path to self-determination is hands down the worst possible way to go about trying to get it.
Yha he could have targeted mats and earths navy rather than killing civilians.
And thats why you space first and ask question never.
It's a shame that this show will end after S6. All the people who love the show but don't read the books will be stripped of some great revelations about what's happening right now on S5.
Something I notice in the background.
0:37 we seem to be looking at fire control station, which seem to show 4 torpedo magazine, each displaying torpedo complement of 40 torpedoes. This seem to implies that Pella-type light cruiser can carry at least 160 torpedoes.
Great villain and an awesome speech in the literal sense of that word. His rise was perhaps a bit.. convenient? Like I feel like he must've got so fucking lucky at so many points for his plan to perfectly come together like it did but nonetheless.
When the Asteroids hit earth, I felt disgust. Its not often a show invokes a genuine feeling of loathing like that. It was just so.. wasteful.. Many lifetimes worth of structures and people, lost in petty retribution.
I felt the same disgust. Made me hate the belters more (even when we see the shit they go trough). All the wars are made for the same reason: megalomaniac minds.
The books explain better how hes just a puppet for the martian duarte, who gave marco the martian ships to distract the inners
@@JunguianPhantom even more stupid when you realise that without earth, the belt will die too. Only fertile soil comes from earth, and you cant grow edible food on the alien planets. He nearly killed his own people just to prove a point
Need that music now.
If you don't know Inaros (which is the case of almost all inhabitants of the system) it's quite easy to believe him and rejoice with him. This speech is brilliant because it only says true things (except for the project part haha).
All of the characters could not have been watching Marco’s speech simultaneously in real time, scattered as they are across the solar system.
So they're watching as it reaches them. So what?
@@ericmcconnaughey2782 So nothing. I wasn’t being critical of the show (or, for that matter, this particular scene, which I thought was terrific). I just thought it was an interesting thing to point out, since an ordinary read of the scene would be that Marco’s audience were all watching him at the same time, which would have been impossible.
YoU mUsT aLwAyS hAvE A kNiFe In A dArKnEsS
sounded like a come Kill me message
anybody else think Marco looks like Prince?
As always, one people's freedom is won through the deaths of billions of others.
great performance indeed. imo marco's speech in the airlock before the leader of faction vote to space him or not was very impression too. Pretty much his life depended on that speech more or less.
Bruh, this was when I knew that he was the GOAT. He had me sold
He's such a amazing character can't even call him a villian
I can and will.
Yes you can just look at what he does.
@@rolandmiller5456 what rebeling against his oppressors?
@@rolandmiller5456 Agreed.
He murdered literally billions of people, the vast majority of whom had done nothing to the Belt, yeah I'd say that's pretty villainous. He also is happy to murder his own people for his gain, he tried to destroy Tycho station just to destroy the Roci, that would have killed thousands of belters, he left the millions on Ceres to starve when they were no longer useful to him. Marco talks about fighting for the Belt but he only really cares about himself, he uses the Belt for himself. Yeah he's a villain.@@diamantemrobinson
Almost had to remind myself im an earter after hearing this the first time.
Yeah, Keon is awesome, but let us pay respect to Clinton Shorter's awesome score with Marco's theme slowly rising to a crescendo all along the speech.
Half expected him to go full Bill Pullman at the end there.
In Season 4, I wasn't a big fan of the Marco casting. But I was wrong - Keon is perfect.
People think Marco cause is wrong. But what they don’t realize millions of belters were treated as slave and third class citizens. They were murdered as shooting practice by the inners. The TV show does not show the atrocities made by the inners. You could say inner is the west and Mars is like the Russia/China both commited crimes against humanity. And belters are like people in Palestine, Kashmir, Aparthaid South Africa and African slaves.
Yes two wrong does not make it right but no freedom ever achieved without violence. Evil is not defeated with kindness.
It’s true that Belters have been oppressed unjustly, but what Marco went beyond any justified retribution. He murdered 15 BILLION PEOPLE, the vast majority of whom had absolutely nothing to do with the oppression carried out by the government of Earth. Also, Marco isn’t fighting for the Belt at all anyway. He’s only fighting for himself, he hates Inners but he doesn’t care about his people either. He manipulates them into worshiping him as a savior, then abandons the largest population center in the belt to starve and die once they’re of no use to him. He was happy to destroy Tycho station and kill thousands of Belters just to destroy the Rocinante. He ordered his soldiers to be spaced for the crime of caring about their comrades. Most of his followers were genuine patriots fighting for their people(the it still doesn’t justify the murder of billions) but Marco was just a narcissistic psychopath.
Where’s his cape. With a monologue like that he needs a cape. Edna “E” Mode
Marco: We respect Earth and Mars' right to exist...
Me: Ok, sounds fair.
Marco: But we call dibs on the Ring Gate and everything it entails.
Me: This guy's nuts!
This looks like a pretty cool series.
So now I need to find Season 1, and catch up. Much like I didn't start watching Game of Thrones until Season 4.
What'd you think?
He's kind of a nut, but he gives a good speech.
truly living in the future. There is no need to green screen.
Anyone can do that already in virtual meetings. Ha-ha!
Earth must come first. UN Fleet. Engage !
I'm right, you are wrong ......Thanos.
The modern day Khan from Star Trek.
A commanding tactical genius whos goal is conquest and survival of his people.
I’ve got to find this music somewhere.
Unfortunately, the season 5 soundtrack is still not out.
"Justin Jones" orchestrated it here on youtube.
He was such an obvious pawn, I didn't understand why no one in universe could see it.
Marco had some really good points
He went way too far in saying that earth and mars couldn't operate outside their own atmosphere. He pretty much told them they can't even go to their own moons without it being a violation. He left them no choice but to violate it and get hit. And that's a big part of what rallied everyone against him.
I wish he has more body language during this speech. That would have been the real cherry on top!
Marcos > Dany (or Cercei or the Nightking...or whatever or whoever was meant to serve as villain)
I can't really disagree with inaros here. Almost the entire economy of the solar system was dependant on resources of the belt and hence the labor of belters. And how were the belters treated?! Like absolute garbage. The story of Fred Johnson and Anderson station is just an example of how inners treated belters. The inners pushed the belt to the point of desperation and in their desperation they relied on a man like inaros to help attain their independence and freedom that they desire and be free from the oppression of the inners. They brought this on themselves, they pushed the belt to the point of desperation and they pushed back.
Explain to me how killing millions of innocent people helps the Belt.
@@Ares99999 I'm not saying I agree with his methods, killing millions doesn't solve anything. But his ideology makes sense because it still happens
What Marco did was wrong, but the inner planets arguably brought this on themselves for their continuous mistreatment of belters. The OPA even tried to play by their rules in season 4, but weren't taken seriously then. For better or worse, they are being taken seriously now.
Agreed the inners made people like Marcon
Love how you make killing millions sounds legit when the only culprits are still alive and well, for most. You say "The Inners" as if each of them were responsible of this, when it's hardly even 0,01% of them who did all of this. It's easy to justify mass murdering when everyone's put in the same basket. What Marco Inaros really did, was killing almost as many innocent lives that there is Beletrs in the Galaxy. And that is all.
ALL REMAINING SYSTEMS WILL BOW TO THE-
wait, wrong villan.
What a grandios speech
This Marco guy seems like bad news
my g
The unknown aggressors have a better argument and we don’t even know what they look like
Less a freedom fighter more a wannabe dictator. History shows that many people who have sought to lead oppressed people's end up becoming just as bad as their oppressors, Marco may be fictional but he is a reflection of sooooo many others like him throughout human history. There are oppressors and there are the oppressed, and Marco is just another oppressor.
All hail our glorious madman!!!!!
Awesome!
I'm not sure I'm cool with the decision with Fred they made. From what I've researched his arc is slightly different in the books from what happened this season.
Without dwelving into book spoilers: it's true that Fred hadn't died at this point in the books yet, but I see why they made the choice to kill him off early. I think it works, but I'm curious to see how they are going to adapt his 'original' death in Babylon's Ashes (Book 6).
I hope i am not the only one who would follow him immediately =)
I sir waiting for command
Belters are all......SAVAGES, *EVERYONE OF YOU!!!!!!*
Who is here after seeing how he falls?
While I am happy that people like Avasarala existed I probably would be in the obliterate the belt camp.
Without live soil bacteria (Earth exclusive export) there's no food. Marco was always going to preside over a broken, starving empire if he won.
There's a reason Che Guevara fought in a lot of revolutions but never stuck around for the peace that came after. It's much easier to blow up trains than to make them run on time.
Hey, Space Che Guevara! Is that an accent or a speech disorder?
Belters are so full of hate, but I guess it's justified.
They are going to be dead belters
@@kaylonjames4621 I like how in the show they assume all inners are the same. When Holden and his crew are the literal proof that they are not.
This issue with the belters vs inners could easily be solved. Let the belters take their hate and prejudice through the rings and shut the fucking doors.
@@WaveForceful what the belters don't know they opened hell