I remember the line from the Hindu scripture, the Baghavad Gita….Vishnu…is trying to persuade the prince, that he should do his duty. And…to impress him, takes on his multi-armed form. And says…”Now I am become death. The destroyer of worlds”.
I'm feeling you in terms of looking forward to it each week but didn't think much of this episode. Way too "death star destroys Alderan." The parallel plot with the mentalics was dragged out, felt like filler. I have a high bar: The Expanse, The Expanse, The Expanse. No action happens on that show unless it really advances the plot, the characters, everything.
What I love most about Foundation are the campy echoes of Ancient Rome, and honestly I wish they'd lean into that even more. There are more ways for an empire to fall than violence. Christianity and the "barbarians" changed Rome from the inside out. Fundamentally change the culture, and no more empire.
So far for me that still remains to only be The Expanse. Hell I get excited waiting to even watch Reactors watch the show though I've already completed the series. I've now watched the series 30+ times through Reactors and still get excited. No other show has managed and it'll probably be years before one does again!
Yeah the expanse was great. Battlestar Galactica is my all time favourite however. You can hear many of the same musical motifs from Bear McCreary in this which I love.
So is that guy laughing at the end this reality's version of the Emperor of mankind?! This scene has some very strong WH40K Exterminatus Extremis vibes right there!
@@scirrhia_kruden OK, fair enough, though I was referring to the Emperor of Mankind from the Imperium of Man in the Warhammer 40K universe which borrows many elements form Asimov's Foundation novels as well as the Greco-Roman & Medieval history of Europe!
@@alxxz I'm aware. You explicitly stated that you were referencing 40k. You also, however, asked whether Cleon was Foundation's version of the Emperor from 40k. I answered your question. In the book series, which was first published in 1951, Cleon was the first Emperor but there was a succession of later emperors rather than a cloned dynasty. The show made it a succession of clones each raised by those prior, with the acting Emperor in his prime and the previous Emperor as an advisor, both raising the next one from baby to adulthood.
It’s crazy that Demrezel told him that she bed him to change his ways and soften his heart. Then apologized because she realized that even that wasn’t enough and regretted what he had become.
It must have been a calculated move by Demerzel, as this can absolutely lead to a direct confrontation between Day and Demerzel. So I suspect that Demerzel wants this conflict to happen. I can see two reasons for this: 1.) Demerzel somehow sees a direct conflict with Day as another step for her to end her service to the Cleonic dynasty and regain her freedom. Maybe she sees this as a step towards having the Cleonic dynasty destroy itself? 2.) Demerzel listened to Hari Seldon talking directly to her about what her goals are and should be. The Demerzel in the original books serves the good of all mankind, as he sees it. Maybe this Demerzel (of the tv show) wants to do that too, in some way, and has concluded that remaining close to Day no longer serves that greater good?
@@terraincognita3749 I take a guess that she might be heading home to mind wipe Dusk, and maybe bring Days clone out of the tank and implant older memories for him, changing him. The existing Day maybe named persona non grata. This might lead the General to have his revenge on Day and release the prisoners.
This is one of the best sci fi adaptations ever done. Apple is really paving the way for sci fi as a whole. I really wish they were the ones to get the three body series instead of Netflix. But if you enjoy this watch invasion, severance, and silo.
Not really up there with The Expanse for me (I don't think any show I've seen so far compares), but it's definitely capturing something we haven't seen since GoT.
I like that you can actually see a flash of light coming from the right at around 1:38 after i watched the finale i came back to the previous episode and noticed it.
I just feel bad all the dawn. Most dawn are like fluffball really a nice dudes can't believe they all turned into Day and become cruel one day. Still can't get over Dawn that was colorblind he just wanted to be free
@@letzsnuggzz That Day was almost redeemable, he took the very real risk of walking the salt path, he helped the other pilgrim on the path when he fell and he was willing to bend the Empire by letting the imperfect clone Dawn live. Still evil in plenty of ways I'd bet, but there was glimpses of good in him. Was sort of sad we missed seeing what happened him when we flashed forward to the future Cleons.
Then he did his job as an actor/entertainer... a good actor can ease the emotions out of the viewer that is needed for the role they are playing (as an example of good actors Patrick Stewart and the one who played River in the movie firefly), a bad actor invokes hatred not for the role but for the person playing that role (as an example of bad actors Ezra miller and Rachel Zegler)
I saw this clip on random and was just mesmerized by the music, vfx and the sheer emotion. Then i watched both seasons of foundation and was so glad that I came accross this clip. This series did not disappoint
This is not anything like the book. In the book Terminus was never destroyed. The Foundation hid from the empire for 200 years and by that point the Foundation was strong enough to seriously challenge the empire, they didn't have as many ships as the empire but they had better technology. The empire sent Bel Riose out to destroy the Foundation but Riose's fleet had to turn around at the last minute because the emperor realized that his fleet would be take a beating at best, might be destroyed and the fleet of a nearby planet would take the empire if Riose didn't come back to defend it. The book ended with the Hologram of Hari Seldom comming out and saying he had predicted this he knew Riose would never reach the Foundation. The next book started 200 years later, the empire had fallen, and the Foundation felt pretty safe because it now had way better technology than anyone else but there were strange rumors about a general called the Mule winning battles despite impossible odds against him. There was much speculation about how the Mule was winning these battles but the Foundation arrogantly thought their technology would defeat the Mule. The Hologram of Seldon warned the Foundation that another crisis was upon them and they needed the Second Foundations hope but most of the Foundations leaders laughed and were like what crisis? There were a few people from the Foundation that did take the Mule seriously and they set out on an expedition to find the Second Foundation.
Thank you for that summary. Hopefully the showrunners will find a way to integrate this story to the next episode. Perhaps in the next ap, the foundation actually survived, and something bad happened to Terminus. I still love what they are doing despite not following the books at all, and only taking inspiration from it.
Have you even read the books? Bel Riose had to return because the Emperor saw a possible contender to the throne when the latter had defeated Foundation. And Mule was never a part of Seldon's prediction, Mule was an unexpected entity. The Foundation books are way more subtle and smart.
No. The Foundation did not hide. It was just forgotten about and started to dominate its neighbours because it kept technology (because it was a bunch of scientists put together) and miniaturized it (because it lacked ressources). Later, Bel Riose went to conquer it, but was called back and quietly executed, because that victory would have permitted him to overthrow the emperor. It is explained in detail that it was not possible to have the Empire to attack at that point. Either the general is strong and he becomes emperor, or the emperor is strong and he stops the general. About the Mule, the hologram spoke about how they narrowly avoided civil war. The foundation dictator asked "What civil war? What about the Mule?" The representatives from the outside worlds replied "We planned one, then the Mule came." "You mean the Mule is not covered by the Seldon plan? That we are in uncharted territory?" They were defeated by the Mule, who was vanquished years later by the second Fondation.
This was perhaps the biggest death fakeout in a series full of them. Very epic imagery, but the what little emotional impact was there is sort of drained by the fact that you find out one episode later that nobody died. Well except an entire fleet's worth of Empire's loyal officers and sailors... but nobody cares about the drones.
Agreed. I felt it cheapened the effect greatly, and it also made it so I won't emotionally latch onto the characters because they cannot die meaningfully.
The title is a tremendous subtle joke, on an epic scale. It definitely recalls the space-dogfighting of STAR WARS 1977 (the first movie before it was ever a franchise) And the impact of “destroying Alderaan” in such an unexpected intense twist was mindblowing 🤯 With us knowing these characters more, and them all being played excellently. And the intensely moving use of the Bhagavad Gita, after its brief mentions in a few earlier episodes, that was BEAUTIFULLY done. That was a magnificent episode of this format of storytelling.
Foundation as of this episode has surpassed any Sci-fi show before it, in scale, emotion and Complexity for me..my jaw was on my desk this entire scene.. Damn... This episode felt like it's own season
@@12xenn45 What's even better is Apple in the talks to buy the right for "The Expanse" not to remake but to continue. This show without a doubt on my top 3!!!
@@12xenn45 I'm bias towards this lol, I grew up reading Foundation, I still have all 7 books, 2 of them Orignal print 😂. Expanse and Foundation Are Apex Sci-fi, expanse is more local future and gritty. Expanse has that 70s Sci-fi personality and galactic scale
THIS....nothing has touched The Expanse yet. While this episode was very good and the final scenes nice...they still don't touch what The Epxanse pulled off when it came down to devasting, glorious,and/or jaw dropping moments!@@12xenn45
Yea I still prefer the expanse for it's space CGI, combat, realism and overall story telling and characters. But foundation is definitely more thought provoking and more of a dune which is nice.
Very difficult book to adapt to TV. but they are doing a good job. The books cover thousands of years and it would be extremely difficult to create empathy with the characters if they changed in each season. very creative the way they resolved this situation these writers deserve the raise
@@bobhoskins-kl6ue I must confess I haven't watched the series, just this little video. OTOH, even the various versions of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy don't agree with each other on very much. Clarke's string of 2001-2010-2016-3001 stories are - by his own admission - not exactly continuous, and even 2001 was supposed to go to Saturn, not Jupiter. The Disney films of the Chronicles of Narnia took a beating (if you're a purist,) or got a well-considered updating (depending on whom you ask. Losing Lewis' narrative voice was both unavoidable, and damaging, IMO.) It seems most books don't translate directly to film at 100% fidelity, though this can be an improvement...depending. Maybe the Vault will turn up somewhere else. Maybe the story is showing how change is both inevitable and frequently unpredictable. I suppose we'll see...unless the series doesn't manage to tell a 1000-year long story before it's cancelled.
I have no idea how those ships are supposed to work, like what's that beam doing ? It looks like it's restarting the old warship... but dayum, this looks so freaking amazing. And the casting ? And the music ? This is above Marvel even when it was it best. When that ship hits the planet you can feel it.
This is actually not new concept; it's ship, which for interstellar and further travels uses something called Kugelblitz. It's RL theoretical construct, which is essentially black hole made by concentrating truly astronomical amount of energy in one place. In Foundation, such object is then used to bend space-time itself _around_ ship in question, which allows it to "jump through" distance to targeted point. That's as far as I am able to imagine it. It's obvious that this technology is extremely dangerous; what Empire did, was somehow overload all safeties of this ship and generate black hole much bigger than what was "safe" to use. They then pushed ship during cataclysmic collapse event into atmosphere of Terminus, where unstable black hole did what it does best: started SUCKING IN.
These ships folded space by creating a Kugelblitz, The larger ship is the earliest possible model of that kind of ship and spacefolder, and the weapon forcefully activated it while also de-orbiting it. Because of how folding space works (which is really close to how it can theoretically be done in real life btw), basically everything within it in a sphere will be dragged into it and deposited into a set destination. And because energy wormhole, it has all the same capabilities as one would expect from a black hole. This includes eating a good quarter of the planet.
i'm glad they add space battle even though the screen time is short. in reddit, 1:37 when the debris about to hit brother poly there's a white light from opposite direction (the vault)... could be a hint for something.... or not.
At 1:38, a strange light some occur next to Poly Verisof, to my mind Terminus is perhaps destroyed but the Foundation still alive through the sanctuary and Seldon. He knows how to defend himself and probably protect all the people on the planet ! Anyway, even if the serie is telling the foundation story in a different way, it still Foundation from Asimov and I think the first Foundation has to still remain and prosper before the Mule appear and change everything ... . SOooooo, as It was the case for the resurected Hari Seldon who should be drown and dead, the first Foundation should somehow survive !
My guess is that the writers do an Alderaan here: the destruction of Terminus will serve as a rallying cry for the Foundation, against the Empire. If I am somewhat right, then the writers see Foundation as an idea, as a story, more than as a political entity.
Having to live with this for a week after it aired was HEAVY. What a brilliant show with strong female characters no one seems to mention. Lady Demerzel is an amazing character.
1:52 notice how the praetorian guard was initially holding back hober and constant but when terminus is destroyed they let them go. can't tell if it was out of sympathy or maybe just letting them go as they were defeated
Asimov Foundation: **one man cannot bring about change** Apple: **hold my beer** What a train wreck of an adaptation. It had nothing to do with Asimov’s Foundation series, and completely changed characters. People are going to watch this tv show, never having read the books, then think they have an idea what Asimov intended.
I’m just wondering if this is what it would look like if Invictus was use to jump into the heart of Trantor. Or would it be more of a kinetic energy explosion?
All foundation population and your tecnology was saved and the foundation won against empire. So yes, remain the same of the books despite terminus destruction.Obvious that will have a new terminus in season 3. The meaning remains.
I don't know if the meaning remains, I stopped watching the show when Salvor Hardin, the character whose quote is "violence is the last resort of the incompetent" stopped being a skilled and cunning politician and became a warrior/guardian...
The Invictus was never meant to contend with empire, it was a deterrent from smaller groups and a beacon of hope. An ancient ship vs the finest modern vessels Empire could produce was never going to be a fair fight. Obtaining it was the end of first crisis because a nowhere settlement just got its hands on a looming guardian that could prevent more pirate and raider attacks that would have otherwise prevented a safe condition for the foundation to prosper under. The Invictus sat to allow the foundation to focus on its technology and innovation rather than churning out defenses that wouldnt have saved them from Empire anyway
Esta serie esta excelente, tiene una ecenografia fantastica, vestuario, guion, reparto actoral, banda sonora, fotografia, efectos especiales, esta magnifica...etc...etc. Espero con muchas ganas la tercera temporada. Saludos a todos desde Mexico 😃 🇲🇽
"FOUNDATION" is further proof that AppleTV has been killing it on the Sci-Fi front. That studio pays definitive attention to production values. Yeah. One could complain about "FOUNDATION" not following the Asimov works. But that's why they're called...BOOKS!!! At least the studio has made the attempt. And it's paying off.
Yeah like dune and LOTR weren't adapted from BOOK, like you adapt harry potter and he is a youtuber abducted by werewolfes at 21yo to hogward the techno mage school to fight the death eater facists who are trying to explode the center of the earth to unleash the brother of voldemort the demon belzebuth.
You appear enamoured with what is essentially a breach in canon. The conflict in the book 'Foundation and Empire' was a recasting of the story of Emperor Justinian and the military campaign of General Bellisarius and the resulting political balance struck between the two. This tv adaptation destroys Terminus (and along with it the first Foundation) which is a complete break with the Foundation book series. The primary purpose of the first Foundation was to act as a living repository of humankind's knowledge of the arts, science, engineering and the humanities preserving this knowledge base during the fall of the galactic empire. This tv adaptation seems to have lost sight of this goal.
@@MrZlocktar You observed: "I think they overkilled the original. Their idea is infinitely better than original." I seriously doubt whether you have read the 'original' series of books from which this tv adaptation is based. For you to go on to state that the tv adaptation is "... infinitely better than (the) original ..." is hyperbole at its finest. P.S. When the Invictus battleship crashed into the planet Terminus just a few kilometres away from the primary settlement, how did all those thousands of colonists miraculously make it into the Seldon Vault in such a climactically short space of time?
This was one of the best part of the Series; I think the director or the production team did an excellent job setting up this climatic event in the series. The Episode 1 - 8 was just all build up to this wonderful special effects event. Now I expect episode 10 creates the consequences of this event in (sets up) the aftermath for Season 3. I just have to remember that in the book the Foundation slowly moves into a Dark Age, kind of like the Fall of ROME. I don’t remember reading that the planet of the vault of the First Foundation was destroyed by the Imperium. I read the Foundation 20 years ago and this event in the Series is causing me to reread the books instead of enjoying the interpretation of the Book Series.
I think the Vault and Poly will survive. Demerzel might have been called back by Cleon I to deal with the Empress. Spacers might revolt and jump Empires fleets to remote regions and strand them or straight into suns then chaos will ensue.
I think Poly survived too. During Poly's scene, as he is to be engulfed by the impact of the Invictus, a bright flash of light occurred from the direction of the Vault.
no. But the genetic dynasty also doesnt exist in the book, its made for the series so people can bind with charakters that dont swap every view episodes. Its important for television, not for books.
Because Apple TV didn't promote it. I mean, this is the Sci-Fi shows they boasted about, then in H-1, they removed it from the homepage. Not only that, but the people who watched Foundation is either purists, or those who didn't read the book. And it makes my blood boil, to be honest. Purists tends to feel the book is the masterpiece, and everything; and I'll agree. But for them to ask shows to be adapted as-is like the book, then it can't be called adaptation, it is called a simulacrum. Foundation is supposed to be ideas and not characters, yet that formula won't work in contemporary times where plot lines and characters are as vital as the plot itself. Of course, there will be changes and divergence, and it is inevitable. The same purists will think that the previous Isaac Asimov's adaptation is good, when in reality it is not.
What the heck? This was certainly not in the books, but actually the brilliance of Asimov means the universe was fluid enough to allow this kind of thing. The motions of psycho history work on broader strokes. That said, terminus was a pretty big anchor in the books, and so this departure would have to compensate proportional.
@@a.p.e.x3195 "it isn’t even an adaptation of the books lol. Too different" Adaptation just means its based on the idea of the book. It doesnt need to have anything to do with the story of the original..
@@noturmum7967 In Chess, to "Castle" is a move where a player can have their King and their Rook chess pieces exchange places. It's also the name of the device that Hober used to swap places with the Planets ruler earlier in the season.
I don't recall Terminus ever being destroyed in the books... Oh right, that's because it never was. Terminus never was a threat to the Empire, just like the second foundation never was a threat to the first. The lesson, the whole message of the book trilogy is "It is better to focus on working to create something good, than to focus on destroying something rotten. Rotten fruits fall by themselves." Instead, it seems, we got a star wars pastiche.
I have three questions about episode 9 that I'd like help understanding: First question: In previous episodes, we learned that Hober Mallow, with the help of the spacers, would be the reason for the fall of the Empire. However, the deal was based on Opalesk liquid that the Foundation had. Now that the planet is gone, how will this play out? Any suggestions? Second question: If Harry is a robot, how can Tellem read his mind or enter in his vision in the initial episode when he was dreaming? Can robots dream? Third question: Time slipping was happening to everyone who entered the vault. However, when Day and Damerzel entered, they were perfectly linked with the outside world and came out on time without any issues. Harry can trap them at that time ?
1.There is something missing. Let us see what happens in the next episode. 2. Robots in asimov lore develop conscience. If harry is in fact a robot, they should want him as close to the original as possible. Gayle also mentioned that she felt his (seldon) lungs filling with water. If seldon is a robot he is a bio engineered one. 3. Im guessing that If the fleet lost contact with cleon, they would assume that he was killed and that would trigger a early attack. For some reason, Seldon needed that interaction to happen.
@@iutlu 2nd Q: if his lungs filled with water how he is alive and back ? 3rd Q: if the general find out there is no contact they wont blow hole planet to the ground…? Thanks for the reply
@@DoubleGG4 2. We need to see next ep. To understand. 3. If they lost contact with cleon, they would attack, thats why there was no time dilation inside the vault. Either seldon needed to delay the attack or he needed something out of that interaction (for them to take the quantum computer, maybe)
Such a wonderful scene. Coming as a book fan, I was utterly shocked by how the director rewrote the second crisis and took it to a whole new level. Terminus wasn't even touched in the entire foundation series (except Mule made an appearance, but no hull damage). I was still counting on Terminus to reveal their final hidden weapon at last second before the destruction. The las time I got this shock was when Ned Stark was beheaded.
Where in the PERFECT BOOKS WRITTEN BY ISAAC ASIMOV IS THE FOUNDATION DESTROYED? For heaven's sake, this is HERESY AGAINST ASIMOV'S TEXTS! Terminus was INVADED IN THE BOOKS NEVER DESTROYED. This series is a literary massacre of an entire saga that is PERFECT. Besides, this is only ONE OF THE FOUNDATIONS, the one that Hari Seldon shrewdly makes public, the other always remained hidden in Trantor as we finally discover in the books when Ebling Mis is squeezed by The Mule before finally being killed so as not to reveal the secret. While the Tolkien fandom has defended tooth and nail the lore of his books, the Asimov fandom applauds like seals this nonsense of a series that is practically a rewriting of Asimov. Whoever reads the books after seeing this rubbish series will think that Asimov was a fool when he was one of the Sci-Fi geniuses of all time.
What a fantastic series this is. While I loved the "Expanse", Foundation Season 2 Episodes 8 and 9 have to be about the best Sci-Fi I've ever seen, bar none.
I was wondering where foundation would go, there were more than a few moments in S1 that were pretty young adulty, but holy fuck did they tighten things up in S2. I am seriously impressed with season 2 on so many levels. Can't wait for the rest!
@@spiralout112 Yes, totally agree with you about how tightened up they managed to get S2. I was almost going to quit watching in S1 but glad I didn't, S2 is some of the best and most rewarding Sci-Fi I've ever seen. (And this, coming from a huge 'Expanse' fan)
Space battle was tight, even though the ships suppended in space a la star wars is not my favorite, the Expanse’s every one moving at high speeds all the time, definitely looks better on screen
the utilization of blackhole as source of energy is quite a unique and different iteration compared to most sci fi ships we had before and today. It is also quite fitting for a type 2-something civilization
yes the Invictus try to jump so they don't crash into the planet but they jump too late.. The people in the Invictus was fresh out of water and never had a real fight. So I don't think they jump to Trantor. I think they just try to jump to a random location.
The point of the Foundation isn't the obliterate the Empire along with its quadrillions of people, especially its capital, but make its fall as painless as possible. Outright destroying Trantor is the opposite of that.
Interesting take on a doomsday weapon, at first thought it would be star wars death laser and instead its some kind of energized station sized doomsday weapon.
Hmm, I don't recall Terminus being blown up in the books :) Does the show deviate so much from the original? I mean that is not necessarily bad if the show is good.
Not exactly, because all foundation population and your tecnology was saved and the foundation won against empire. So yes, remain the same of the books despite terminus destruction.Obvious that will have a new terminus in season 3.
@@RetroDaddyPH Yeah, maybe, but if I'm expected to PROPERLY set my expectations having read the books, then this show isn't for those who read the books. Bereft of ideas, they've latched on to a property not given a cinematic treatment and butchered it. The whole point of the story is one man's attempt to defy the inevitability of history. It was never about blowing up planets. The moment the first YT trailer dropped, I already knew I wasn't the target audience.
@@arthursouza9641Except the Foundation never won against the Empire. It decayed and collapsed under the weight of its own corruption. General Bel Riose was the last legitimate Imperial threat to the Foundation, but it wasn't brilliant Foundation tactics and strategy that saved it. He was done in by the Emperor who feared a powerful and popular and SUCCESSFUL military leader replacing him.
Let's hope this show will get season 3 (rumors has it was greenlit already) and many more to properly end tv series. Nothing impressed me more in sci-fi tv series especially emperors dynasty plot and Lee Pace's play. But seeing those people reviews on rotten and metacritic... atleast critics reviews mostly good. And those 2023 SAG-AFTRA strike which continues right now not good for the show.
What a scene with this beautiful score of music. In those couple seconds you can sense the terror, acceptance and hopelessness from all the citizens of Terminus as they can only look up into the sky.
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Cleon 17: I’m the Cleon that chose peace.
Then proceeds to destroy a defeated enemy that didn’t stood a chance.
One can only choose peace if the enemy surrenders.
Even Demerzel admitted that this particular Cleon is problematic
stand*
Well, the fastest way to peace, is to kill off everyone else.
What a bastard....
Please tell me he suffers a gruesome death...
so this is what the population looks like when a Stellaris Player destroys a planet using Collosus
yea pretty much what i was thinking
Indeed
It also reminds me of TMNT's Black Hole Generator
Dude I need those FPS
Now i need to see what how the population if we whipe their intelegent💀
I only ever use that thing to blow up habitats I don't need.
The music is chilling when it is playing while showing Day’s smile at the destruction.
Bear McCreary is great. Love his work here and on the God of War soundtracks.
"Few people cried. Few people laughed. Most People were silent". - Oppenheimer
I remember the line from the Hindu scripture, the Baghavad Gita….Vishnu…is trying to persuade the prince, that he should do his duty. And…to impress him, takes on his multi-armed form. And says…”Now I am become death. The destroyer of worlds”.
everyone watching: 😢
me having played more than 500 stellaris games on max difficulty: utterly indifferent* 😐
I can’t recall the last time I was so excited to watch a show each week. This has been absolutely exceptional. Well done Apple. Well done.
I'm feeling you in terms of looking forward to it each week but didn't think much of this episode. Way too "death star destroys Alderan." The parallel plot with the mentalics was dragged out, felt like filler. I have a high bar: The Expanse, The Expanse, The Expanse. No action happens on that show unless it really advances the plot, the characters, everything.
What I love most about Foundation are the campy echoes of Ancient Rome, and honestly I wish they'd lean into that even more. There are more ways for an empire to fall than violence. Christianity and the "barbarians" changed Rome from the inside out. Fundamentally change the culture, and no more empire.
Read the Red Rising series, you will love it.@@SuperRobertoClemente
So far for me that still remains to only be The Expanse. Hell I get excited waiting to even watch Reactors watch the show though I've already completed the series. I've now watched the series 30+ times through Reactors and still get excited. No other show has managed and it'll probably be years before one does again!
Yeah the expanse was great. Battlestar Galactica is my all time favourite however. You can hear many of the same musical motifs from Bear McCreary in this which I love.
Top 1 of most visual stunning war crimes ever committed in cinema and irl
Not even close
Forsure, worse then cersei blowing up the sept
Perfect description!!!!!1
@@thomascromwell6840 Then tell me what "close" is?
attack of harkonens on house atredis
You know the actor is doing a good job when you hate him after a single smile ☠️
So is that guy laughing at the end this reality's version of the Emperor of mankind?!
This scene has some very strong WH40K Exterminatus Extremis vibes right there!
@@alxxzYeah. He's a clone of the original Emperor, specifically Cleon the 17th, and is indeed Emperor of the entire galaxy.
@@scirrhia_kruden OK, fair enough, though I was referring to the Emperor of Mankind from the Imperium of Man in the Warhammer 40K universe which borrows many elements form Asimov's Foundation novels as well as the Greco-Roman & Medieval history of Europe!
@@alxxz I'm aware. You explicitly stated that you were referencing 40k. You also, however, asked whether Cleon was Foundation's version of the Emperor from 40k. I answered your question.
In the book series, which was first published in 1951, Cleon was the first Emperor but there was a succession of later emperors rather than a cloned dynasty. The show made it a succession of clones each raised by those prior, with the acting Emperor in his prime and the previous Emperor as an advisor, both raising the next one from baby to adulthood.
@@scirrhia_kruden So like WH40K, Foundation's Emperor is also immortal in a way... Does he also posses superhuman and psychic powers?!
Cleon never disappoints with the punishments
Excessive 😂
Indeed.
Glorious bastard that he is.
You might say it's what he's best at.
Exactly!
It’s crazy that Demrezel told him that she bed him to change his ways and soften his heart. Then apologized because she realized that even that wasn’t enough and regretted what he had become.
Subtly implying that she has her ways with controlling the whole cleonic dynasty from the very beginning.
if just Demerzel AI had Prime Radiant implanted in her CPU, things would be different
Every iteration of Day is just as cruel and ruthless as the one before him
It must have been a calculated move by Demerzel, as this can absolutely lead to a direct confrontation between Day and Demerzel. So I suspect that Demerzel wants this conflict to happen. I can see two reasons for this:
1.) Demerzel somehow sees a direct conflict with Day as another step for her to end her service to the Cleonic dynasty and regain her freedom. Maybe she sees this as a step towards having the Cleonic dynasty destroy itself?
2.) Demerzel listened to Hari Seldon talking directly to her about what her goals are and should be. The Demerzel in the original books serves the good of all mankind, as he sees it. Maybe this Demerzel (of the tv show) wants to do that too, in some way, and has concluded that remaining close to Day no longer serves that greater good?
@@terraincognita3749 I take a guess that she might be heading home to mind wipe Dusk, and maybe bring Days clone out of the tank and implant older memories for him, changing him. The existing Day maybe named persona non grata. This might lead the General to have his revenge on Day and release the prisoners.
The look on Day's at the end..chilling..love the actor, love the show
One of the most gut wrenching & shocking moments I’ve experienced in a show in years. Foundation is damn good sci-fi.
Ikr! I was not expecting this at all lol... bye bye planet
came out of nowhere too, got the book readers good.
No its S, and becuse of youtube bubeling , you think its good.
for reference, how would you say it compares to netflix' Lost in Space
@@shaldurprime7154 have not seen it
i had tears in my eyes during this scene! this show is up there with the expanse as best scifi in the last 10 maybe 20 years
facts, its up there with the expanse for me too
It is better than the expanse imo and that is not to take away from how brilliant the expanse is@@ivanabah2237
This is one of the best sci fi adaptations ever done. Apple is really paving the way for sci fi as a whole. I really wish they were the ones to get the three body series instead of Netflix. But if you enjoy this watch invasion, severance, and silo.
pretty sure they're all still alive. those bracelets weren't auras...I think they were castle devices.
Not really up there with The Expanse for me (I don't think any show I've seen so far compares), but it's definitely capturing something we haven't seen since GoT.
I like that you can actually see a flash of light coming from the right at around 1:38 after i watched the finale i came back to the previous episode and noticed it.
What does this mean?
@@Systolic120mmHgThey are saved by the monument.
2:03 I think Stellaris players would all smile like that after destroying a planet.
Contrast Demerzel's reaction at 1:47 to Day's reaction at 2:04
Day is the one without a soul.
Well we knew his forefather didn't have a soul when he walked the circle and saw nothing in the underground cave.
"What a sick f*ck." is all I could say at that smile.
I just feel bad all the dawn. Most dawn are like fluffball really a nice dudes can't believe they all turned into Day and become cruel one day. Still can't get over Dawn that was colorblind he just wanted to be free
@@letzsnuggzz That Day was almost redeemable, he took the very real risk of walking the salt path, he helped the other pilgrim on the path when he fell and he was willing to bend the Empire by letting the imperfect clone Dawn live. Still evil in plenty of ways I'd bet, but there was glimpses of good in him. Was sort of sad we missed seeing what happened him when we flashed forward to the future Cleons.
Never in my life have I ever wanted to punch a man like I wanted to punch Day at the end of that episode to wipe that smirk off his face!
Well, he losed at the end and died in space in a slow death.
@@arthursouza9641 that was quite enjoyable! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Then he did his job as an actor/entertainer... a good actor can ease the emotions out of the viewer that is needed for the role they are playing (as an example of good actors Patrick Stewart and the one who played River in the movie firefly), a bad actor invokes hatred not for the role but for the person playing that role (as an example of bad actors Ezra miller and Rachel Zegler)
And this is why i am a massive Lee Pace fan! Truly a phenomenal actor of extreme talent! Absolutely the perfect choice for this role!
He really is just killing it in this role, it's kind of ridiculous tbh.
The show would be unwatchable without him.
Hard to believe it’s the same person who played the nicest guy possible - Ned in ‘Pushing Daisies’ - it really shows what a fantastic actor he is.
He really made me want to flay Cleon alive ... slowly ... with a very dull wooden spoon ;)
@@mikerichards6065 Wasnt he also in Fraiser and Spartacus?
I saw this clip on random and was just mesmerized by the music, vfx and the sheer emotion. Then i watched both seasons of foundation and was so glad that I came accross this clip. This series did not disappoint
Narrator: But it did.
Best two episodes so far, for me.
Roxann Dawson (ST Voyager) did a remarkable job Directing.
I had no idea she transitioned into directing. Did an amazing job.
I don't recall reading that in the book!
Utterly amazing. The shot of it devouring the planet from space and the shot where it fires and blinds the entire bridge was so cinematic.
This is not anything like the book. In the book Terminus was never destroyed. The Foundation hid from the empire for 200 years and by that point the Foundation was strong enough to seriously challenge the empire, they didn't have as many ships as the empire but they had better technology. The empire sent Bel Riose out to destroy the Foundation but Riose's fleet had to turn around at the last minute because the emperor realized that his fleet would be take a beating at best, might be destroyed and the fleet of a nearby planet would take the empire if Riose didn't come back to defend it. The book ended with the Hologram of Hari Seldom comming out and saying he had predicted this he knew Riose would never reach the Foundation. The next book started 200 years later, the empire had fallen, and the Foundation felt pretty safe because it now had way better technology than anyone else but there were strange rumors about a general called the Mule winning battles despite impossible odds against him. There was much speculation about how the Mule was winning these battles but the Foundation arrogantly thought their technology would defeat the Mule. The Hologram of Seldon warned the Foundation that another crisis was upon them and they needed the Second Foundations hope but most of the Foundations leaders laughed and were like what crisis? There were a few people from the Foundation that did take the Mule seriously and they set out on an expedition to find the Second Foundation.
Thank you for that summary. Hopefully the showrunners will find a way to integrate this story to the next episode. Perhaps in the next ap, the foundation actually survived, and something bad happened to Terminus. I still love what they are doing despite not following the books at all, and only taking inspiration from it.
At this point the tv show is its own separate story . Different but good in its own way .
Well, it's 80% similar to the book at least, if you truly watch the series, you would familiar to your own comment
Have you even read the books? Bel Riose had to return because the Emperor saw a possible contender to the throne when the latter had defeated Foundation. And Mule was never a part of Seldon's prediction, Mule was an unexpected entity. The Foundation books are way more subtle and smart.
No. The Foundation did not hide. It was just forgotten about and started to dominate its neighbours because it kept technology (because it was a bunch of scientists put together) and miniaturized it (because it lacked ressources).
Later, Bel Riose went to conquer it, but was called back and quietly executed, because that victory would have permitted him to overthrow the emperor. It is explained in detail that it was not possible to have the Empire to attack at that point. Either the general is strong and he becomes emperor, or the emperor is strong and he stops the general.
About the Mule, the hologram spoke about how they narrowly avoided civil war. The foundation dictator asked "What civil war? What about the Mule?" The representatives from the outside worlds replied "We planned one, then the Mule came." "You mean the Mule is not covered by the Seldon plan? That we are in uncharted territory?"
They were defeated by the Mule, who was vanquished years later by the second Fondation.
This was perhaps the biggest death fakeout in a series full of them. Very epic imagery, but the what little emotional impact was there is sort of drained by the fact that you find out one episode later that nobody died. Well except an entire fleet's worth of Empire's loyal officers and sailors... but nobody cares about the drones.
Agreed. I felt it cheapened the effect greatly, and it also made it so I won't emotionally latch onto the characters because they cannot die meaningfully.
What? How?
@@vertigo_one Did you not see the episode? You want me to tell you the plot of an episode you haven't seen?
from 1:37 to 1:38 you see light flashing before the shockwave hits him.
whoever created this imagery should be in charge of all hollywood sci-fi
This is the closest we'll ever get to seeing Malachor V destroyed by the mass shadow generator.
I see you too are a man of culture.
*gets back on stellaris* "BOYS! i got a new idea!"
These two episodes, 8 and 9 were a masterpiece.
The title is a tremendous subtle joke, on an epic scale. It definitely recalls the space-dogfighting of STAR WARS 1977 (the first movie before it was ever a franchise)
And the impact of “destroying Alderaan” in such an unexpected intense twist was mindblowing 🤯
With us knowing these characters more, and them all being played excellently.
And the intensely moving use of the Bhagavad Gita, after its brief mentions in a few earlier episodes, that was BEAUTIFULLY done.
That was a magnificent episode of this format of storytelling.
The last and only other time i have seen such epic visuals in a sci fi show was The Expanse. This exceeds it. Stunning.
Foundation as of this episode has surpassed any Sci-fi show before it, in scale, emotion and Complexity for me..my jaw was on my desk this entire scene.. Damn... This episode felt like it's own season
@@12xenn45 What's even better is Apple in the talks to buy the right for "The Expanse" not to remake but to continue. This show without a doubt on my top 3!!!
@@12xenn45 I'm bias towards this lol, I grew up reading Foundation, I still have all 7 books, 2 of them Orignal print 😂. Expanse and Foundation Are Apex Sci-fi, expanse is more local future and gritty. Expanse has that 70s Sci-fi personality and galactic scale
THIS....nothing has touched The Expanse yet. While this episode was very good and the final scenes nice...they still don't touch what The Epxanse pulled off when it came down to devasting, glorious,and/or jaw dropping moments!@@12xenn45
Yea I still prefer the expanse for it's space CGI, combat, realism and overall story telling and characters. But foundation is definitely more thought provoking and more of a dune which is nice.
@@niceengine2571 dune wouldn’t be dune if you wasn’t for foundation
I just can’t get over this scene. The apex of sci-fi story telling.
🤦♂
I think you have to read/watch more sci fi then
Vfx =/= storytelling
This scence legit had me shook for like 5 minutes
0:17 Wait what, how is the Angel Halo appeared in Foundation show 😂 ?
Very difficult book to adapt to TV. but they are doing a good job. The books cover thousands of years and it would be extremely difficult to create empathy with the characters if they changed in each season. very creative the way they resolved this situation these writers deserve the raise
I don't remember that in the books.
I agree but Foundation isn't Space adventure like Star Wars or Game of Thrones where shocking scenes happened for sake of their shock value
it' so far off from the books it's unrecognizable, they shouldn't be allowed to call it "foundation", it's trash
@@bobhoskins-kl6ue I must confess I haven't watched the series, just this little video. OTOH, even the various versions of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy don't agree with each other on very much. Clarke's string of 2001-2010-2016-3001 stories are - by his own admission - not exactly continuous, and even 2001 was supposed to go to Saturn, not Jupiter.
The Disney films of the Chronicles of Narnia took a beating (if you're a purist,) or got a well-considered updating (depending on whom you ask. Losing Lewis' narrative voice was both unavoidable, and damaging, IMO.)
It seems most books don't translate directly to film at 100% fidelity, though this can be an improvement...depending.
Maybe the Vault will turn up somewhere else. Maybe the story is showing how change is both inevitable and frequently unpredictable.
I suppose we'll see...unless the series doesn't manage to tell a 1000-year long story before it's cancelled.
@@bobhoskins-kl6ueI agree completely.
Lee Pace! Man, that guy is epic Empire Perfection🌟
I have no idea how those ships are supposed to work, like what's that beam doing ? It looks like it's restarting the old warship... but dayum, this looks so freaking amazing. And the casting ? And the music ? This is above Marvel even when it was it best. When that ship hits the planet you can feel it.
This is actually not new concept; it's ship, which for interstellar and further travels uses something called Kugelblitz. It's RL theoretical construct, which is essentially black hole made by concentrating truly astronomical amount of energy in one place. In Foundation, such object is then used to bend space-time itself _around_ ship in question, which allows it to "jump through" distance to targeted point. That's as far as I am able to imagine it.
It's obvious that this technology is extremely dangerous; what Empire did, was somehow overload all safeties of this ship and generate black hole much bigger than what was "safe" to use. They then pushed ship during cataclysmic collapse event into atmosphere of Terminus, where unstable black hole did what it does best: started SUCKING IN.
These ships folded space by creating a Kugelblitz, The larger ship is the earliest possible model of that kind of ship and spacefolder, and the weapon forcefully activated it while also de-orbiting it. Because of how folding space works (which is really close to how it can theoretically be done in real life btw), basically everything within it in a sphere will be dragged into it and deposited into a set destination. And because energy wormhole, it has all the same capabilities as one would expect from a black hole. This includes eating a good quarter of the planet.
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i'm glad they add space battle even though the screen time is short.
in reddit, 1:37 when the debris about to hit brother poly there's a white light from opposite direction (the vault)... could be a hint for something.... or not.
You are right! i noticed the same. I wonder if Poly was saved? I love Kulvinder as Poly, such a great actor.
Naw. He's dead 😭
I’m guessing the vault disappeared or some shit. Poly is dead af tho fs
@@braukwood925 poly finally gets to put the flag
You were absolutely right. You must be a psychohistorian
At 1:38, a strange light some occur next to Poly Verisof, to my mind Terminus is perhaps destroyed but the Foundation still alive through the sanctuary and Seldon. He knows how to defend himself and probably protect all the people on the planet ! Anyway, even if the serie is telling the foundation story in a different way, it still Foundation from Asimov and I think the first Foundation has to still remain and prosper before the Mule appear and change everything ... . SOooooo, as It was the case for the resurected Hari Seldon who should be drown and dead, the first Foundation should somehow survive !
Oh subtle..
this and andor my fav sci fi shows for awhile yo
My guess is that the writers do an Alderaan here: the destruction of Terminus will serve as a rallying cry for the Foundation, against the Empire. If I am somewhat right, then the writers see Foundation as an idea, as a story, more than as a political entity.
Bro the way my jaw dropped when i saw this scene
I kept expecting a foundation fleet to jump in and start wrecking empire
Great show. Can't wait for S3
That was incredible and heartbreaking at the same time.
Having to live with this for a week after it aired was HEAVY. What a brilliant show with strong female characters no one seems to mention. Lady Demerzel is an amazing character.
this makes star wars look like a kids movie.
Star Wars IS a kids movie. It was never grown ups sci fi
@@MsFlamingFlamer Shame about Amazon and The Culture.
Star Wars was/is a kids movie... well now it's a female propoganda movie ...
Look, I enjoy Star Wars but it IS mostly aimed to a general younger audience for sure. Plus it’s also heavily fantasy.
I think the Disney-helmed Star Wars is more like a children's movie.
That's one heck of a trolley problem General Riose
Brother Day's mindset is corrupted, caught feelings after watching this episode 😭he wiped off an enitre colony on that planet 😅
1:52 notice how the praetorian guard was initially holding back hober and constant but when terminus is destroyed they let them go. can't tell if it was out of sympathy or maybe just letting them go as they were defeated
Asimov Foundation: **one man cannot bring about change**
Apple: **hold my beer**
What a train wreck of an adaptation. It had nothing to do with Asimov’s Foundation series, and completely changed characters.
People are going to watch this tv show, never having read the books, then think they have an idea what Asimov intended.
I’m just wondering if this is what it would look like if Invictus was use to jump into the heart of Trantor. Or would it be more of a kinetic energy explosion?
Having read the Foundation books, I don't remember this happening. Foundation confused!
All foundation population and your tecnology was saved and the foundation won against empire. So yes, remain the same of the books despite terminus destruction.Obvious that will have a new terminus in season 3. The meaning remains.
Well, you can't have any scifi with subtlety any more. Scifi = HUGE EXPLOSIONS nowadays.
I don't know if the meaning remains, I stopped watching the show when Salvor Hardin, the character whose quote is "violence is the last resort of the incompetent" stopped being a skilled and cunning politician and became a warrior/guardian...
1:43 Hey, Londo Mollari, I'll see your mass drivers and raise you a black hole! A long, twilight struggle is indeed ahead.
Nice reference.
All the trouble they went to getting the Invictus and not only couldn't it defend them from Empire, but he made it the instrument of their destruction
It's lowering the quality of that 1st season storyline even more, though I didn't think it was possible.
The Invictus was never meant to contend with empire, it was a deterrent from smaller groups and a beacon of hope. An ancient ship vs the finest modern vessels Empire could produce was never going to be a fair fight. Obtaining it was the end of first crisis because a nowhere settlement just got its hands on a looming guardian that could prevent more pirate and raider attacks that would have otherwise prevented a safe condition for the foundation to prosper under. The Invictus sat to allow the foundation to focus on its technology and innovation rather than churning out defenses that wouldnt have saved them from Empire anyway
And there is nothing left of the books
Hasn't been in some time
It was obvious from the first episodes. I had such high hopes…
Cleon really enjoyed that moment, like Nero enjoyed burning Rome.
So, an average day of Stellaris.
Demerzel left Day on the Rubicon for a reason..
#TeamDemerzel
Esta serie esta excelente, tiene una ecenografia fantastica, vestuario, guion, reparto actoral, banda sonora, fotografia, efectos especiales, esta magnifica...etc...etc. Espero con muchas ganas la tercera temporada. Saludos a todos desde Mexico 😃 🇲🇽
"FOUNDATION" is further proof that AppleTV has been killing it on the Sci-Fi front.
That studio pays definitive attention to production values.
Yeah.
One could complain about "FOUNDATION" not following the Asimov works.
But that's why they're called...BOOKS!!!
At least the studio has made the attempt.
And it's paying off.
Yeah like dune and LOTR weren't adapted from BOOK, like you adapt harry potter and he is a youtuber abducted by werewolfes at 21yo to hogward the techno mage school to fight the death eater facists who are trying to explode the center of the earth to unleash the brother of voldemort the demon belzebuth.
You appear enamoured with what is essentially a breach in canon.
The conflict in the book 'Foundation and Empire' was a recasting of the story of Emperor Justinian and the military campaign of General Bellisarius and the resulting political balance struck between the two.
This tv adaptation destroys Terminus (and along with it the first Foundation) which is a complete break with the Foundation book series.
The primary purpose of the first Foundation was to act as a living repository of humankind's knowledge of the arts, science, engineering and the humanities preserving this knowledge base during the fall of the galactic empire.
This tv adaptation seems to have lost sight of this goal.
@@lamotiengodidal6511 If you want to read the book, you can read the book
I think they actually overkilled the original. Their idea is infinitely better than original. At least it seems to be the case at the moment.
@@MrZlocktar You observed: "I think they overkilled the original. Their idea is infinitely better than original."
I seriously doubt whether you have read the 'original' series of books from which this tv adaptation is based. For you to go on to state that the tv adaptation is "... infinitely better than (the) original ..." is hyperbole at its finest.
P.S. When the Invictus battleship crashed into the planet Terminus just a few kilometres away from the primary settlement, how did all those thousands of colonists miraculously make it into the Seldon Vault in such a climactically short space of time?
This was one of the best part of the Series; I think the director or the production team did an excellent job setting up this climatic event in the series. The Episode 1 - 8 was just all build up to this wonderful special effects event. Now I expect episode 10 creates the consequences of this event in (sets up) the aftermath for Season 3. I just have to remember that in the book the Foundation slowly moves into a Dark Age, kind of like the Fall of ROME. I don’t remember reading that the planet of the vault of the First Foundation was destroyed by the Imperium.
I read the Foundation 20 years ago and this event in the Series is causing me to reread the books instead of enjoying the interpretation of the Book Series.
Oppenheimer would be impressed
I'll be honest with you, when first watching this episode, I did not see this coming and as such this is one of the most powerful scenes in sci fi.
Almost everytime Seldon and Day encounters each other the empire prevails, hopefully that changes next time.
They're so lucky that The Doct.... I mean Dr. Seldon had a working TARDI.... I mean vault to save everyone.
I think the Vault and Poly will survive.
Demerzel might have been called back by Cleon I to deal with the Empress.
Spacers might revolt and jump Empires fleets to remote regions and strand them or straight into suns then chaos will ensue.
I think Poly survived too. During Poly's scene, as he is to be engulfed by the impact of the Invictus, a bright flash of light occurred from the direction of the Vault.
did this actually HAPPEN in the book? I don't recall and I've read most of the Foundation series and extensions.
no. But the genetic dynasty also doesnt exist in the book, its made for the series so people can bind with charakters that dont swap every view episodes.
Its important for television, not for books.
Wow. I didn't see it coming. I guess nobody did, neither Demerzel.
I really don't understand why this show isn't getting the GoT level praise and hard-on by the critics, press, and media.
No one cares about sci-fi space shows. Unfortunately.
apple tv isnt really marketing
coz...it's not on that level
@@lawrencefrost9063 I'd rather re-watch this show 1000 times than have to watch the last season of GoT ever again.
Because Apple TV didn't promote it. I mean, this is the Sci-Fi shows they boasted about, then in H-1, they removed it from the homepage. Not only that, but the people who watched Foundation is either purists, or those who didn't read the book. And it makes my blood boil, to be honest.
Purists tends to feel the book is the masterpiece, and everything; and I'll agree. But for them to ask shows to be adapted as-is like the book, then it can't be called adaptation, it is called a simulacrum. Foundation is supposed to be ideas and not characters, yet that formula won't work in contemporary times where plot lines and characters are as vital as the plot itself. Of course, there will be changes and divergence, and it is inevitable.
The same purists will think that the previous Isaac Asimov's adaptation is good, when in reality it is not.
What the heck? This was certainly not in the books, but actually the brilliance of Asimov means the universe was fluid enough to allow this kind of thing. The motions of psycho history work on broader strokes. That said, terminus was a pretty big anchor in the books, and so this departure would have to compensate proportional.
This series is so incredibly underrated. Some of the best Sci-Fi and book adaptation out there.
I do love Apple TV’s foundation, but at this point, it isn’t even an adaptation of the books lol. Too different
@@a.p.e.x3195 "it isn’t even an adaptation of the books lol. Too different"
Adaptation just means its based on the idea of the book. It doesnt need to have anything to do with the story of the original..
Isaac Asimov...stunning visuals..great books.
Empire looks like pure evil, but sexy evil, like I don't know whether to kiss him or stab him :D 🤔😆🤣
The Music and the Images are incredible, i had goose bumps at this moment
Rewatched this. Recall the guy on the Invictus's last line. "Prepare to castle"
At what part? I struggle to find it
@@RetroDaddyPH just before the engagement, sorry, I can’t recall time stamp
Disregard. He was saying "counter" @@RetroDaddyPH
What does castle even mean?
@@noturmum7967 In Chess, to "Castle" is a move where a player can have their King and their Rook chess pieces exchange places. It's also the name of the device that Hober used to swap places with the Planets ruler earlier in the season.
Cleon and Demerzel are so good in this serie, just wow.
I don't recall Terminus ever being destroyed in the books... Oh right, that's because it never was. Terminus never was a threat to the Empire, just like the second foundation never was a threat to the first. The lesson, the whole message of the book trilogy is "It is better to focus on working to create something good, than to focus on destroying something rotten. Rotten fruits fall by themselves." Instead, it seems, we got a star wars pastiche.
When i saw it : "Stop ! Stoooop !"
Aferwards : "oh, nice move"
This show is the only reason that I subscribed to Apple TV and haven't cancelled my subscription.
I have three questions about episode 9 that I'd like help understanding:
First question: In previous episodes, we learned that Hober Mallow, with the help of the spacers, would be the reason for the fall of the Empire. However, the deal was based on Opalesk liquid that the Foundation had. Now that the planet is gone, how will this play out? Any suggestions?
Second question: If Harry is a robot, how can Tellem read his mind or enter in his vision in the initial episode when he was dreaming? Can robots dream?
Third question: Time slipping was happening to everyone who entered the vault. However, when Day and Damerzel entered, they were perfectly linked with the outside world and came out on time without any issues. Harry can trap them at that time ?
Robots in asimov are sentient
1.There is something missing. Let us see what happens in the next episode.
2. Robots in asimov lore develop conscience. If harry is in fact a robot, they should want him as close to the original as possible. Gayle also mentioned that she felt his (seldon) lungs filling with water. If seldon is a robot he is a bio engineered one.
3. Im guessing that If the fleet lost contact with cleon, they would assume that he was killed and that would trigger a early attack. For some reason, Seldon needed that interaction to happen.
@@iutlu 2nd Q: if his lungs filled with water how he is alive and back ?
3rd Q: if the general find out there is no contact they wont blow hole planet to the ground…?
Thanks for the reply
@@DoubleGG4 2. We need to see next ep. To understand. 3. If they lost contact with cleon, they would attack, thats why there was no time dilation inside the vault. Either seldon needed to delay the attack or he needed something out of that interaction (for them to take the quantum computer, maybe)
The first foundation was merely cover to create the second foundation in secret. Empire thinks the foundation is gone now
Such a wonderful scene. Coming as a book fan, I was utterly shocked by how the director rewrote the second crisis and took it to a whole new level. Terminus wasn't even touched in the entire foundation series (except Mule made an appearance, but no hull damage). I was still counting on Terminus to reveal their final hidden weapon at last second before the destruction. The las time I got this shock was when Ned Stark was beheaded.
Where in the PERFECT BOOKS WRITTEN BY ISAAC ASIMOV IS THE FOUNDATION DESTROYED? For heaven's sake, this is HERESY AGAINST ASIMOV'S TEXTS! Terminus was INVADED IN THE BOOKS NEVER DESTROYED. This series is a literary massacre of an entire saga that is PERFECT. Besides, this is only ONE OF THE FOUNDATIONS, the one that Hari Seldon shrewdly makes public, the other always remained hidden in Trantor as we finally discover in the books when Ebling Mis is squeezed by The Mule before finally being killed so as not to reveal the secret. While the Tolkien fandom has defended tooth and nail the lore of his books, the Asimov fandom applauds like seals this nonsense of a series that is practically a rewriting of Asimov. Whoever reads the books after seeing this rubbish series will think that Asimov was a fool when he was one of the Sci-Fi geniuses of all time.
@@BBRocker75 take a walk bro, its not that serious
@@BBRocker75 Oh no, a tv adaptation of a book changed things. The horror.
I kinda expected they would do more with the biggest battleship that was ever built, it felt very underwhelming.
What a fantastic series this is. While I loved the "Expanse", Foundation Season 2 Episodes 8 and 9 have to be about the best Sci-Fi I've ever seen, bar none.
To each their own but The Expanse still reigns supreme.
I loved expanse except some of the poor acting and the naomi nagata she was the queen of all boringness
@@EvilAnomaly
I was wondering where foundation would go, there were more than a few moments in S1 that were pretty young adulty, but holy fuck did they tighten things up in S2. I am seriously impressed with season 2 on so many levels. Can't wait for the rest!
@@spiralout112 Yes, totally agree with you about how tightened up they managed to get S2. I was almost going to quit watching in S1 but glad I didn't, S2 is some of the best and most rewarding Sci-Fi I've ever seen. (And this, coming from a huge 'Expanse' fan)
Space battle was tight, even though the ships suppended in space a la star wars is not my favorite, the Expanse’s every one moving at high speeds all the time, definitely looks better on screen
the utilization of blackhole as source of energy is quite a unique and different iteration compared to most sci fi ships we had before and today. It is also quite fitting for a type 2-something civilization
I am going to pretend I never saw that scene in episode 10 to keep this scene as the best in the show so far
I didn't realize there was a black hole in the Invictus until my husband pointed it out. That was gut wrenching to watch.
The singularity from the Invictus vanished. Could the Invictus have jumped to Trantor at the last second and the singularity will slowly eat it?
Nope!
@@The_Revolutionist ...David?
yes the Invictus try to jump so they don't crash into the planet but they jump too late.. The people in the Invictus was fresh out of water and never had a real fight. So I don't think they jump to Trantor. I think they just try to jump to a random location.
@@The_Revolutionist Because that's where the Second Foundation is. If there's no Trantor, this is now farther off-script than Trump.
The point of the Foundation isn't the obliterate the Empire along with its quadrillions of people, especially its capital, but make its fall as painless as possible.
Outright destroying Trantor is the opposite of that.
Interesting take on a doomsday weapon, at first thought it would be star wars death laser and instead its some kind of energized station sized doomsday weapon.
Hmm, I don't recall Terminus being blown up in the books :) Does the show deviate so much from the original? I mean that is not necessarily bad if the show is good.
It deviates significantly, but is still a great show. You just have to properly set your expectations if you're one of those who have read the books.
Not exactly, because all foundation population and your tecnology was saved and the foundation won against empire. So yes, remain the same of the books despite terminus destruction.Obvious that will have a new terminus in season 3.
@@RetroDaddyPH Yeah, maybe, but if I'm expected to PROPERLY set my expectations having read the books, then this show isn't for those who read the books. Bereft of ideas, they've latched on to a property not given a cinematic treatment and butchered it. The whole point of the story is one man's attempt to defy the inevitability of history. It was never about blowing up planets. The moment the first YT trailer dropped, I already knew I wasn't the target audience.
@@arthursouza9641Except the Foundation never won against the Empire. It decayed and collapsed under the weight of its own corruption. General Bel Riose was the last legitimate Imperial threat to the Foundation, but it wasn't brilliant Foundation tactics and strategy that saved it. He was done in by the Emperor who feared a powerful and popular and SUCCESSFUL military leader replacing him.
Okay i vaguely remember reading the books , was this in the books?
Not even remotely.
Let's hope this show will get season 3 (rumors has it was greenlit already) and many more to properly end tv series. Nothing impressed me more in sci-fi tv series especially emperors dynasty plot and Lee Pace's play.
But seeing those people reviews on rotten and metacritic... atleast critics reviews mostly good. And those 2023 SAG-AFTRA strike which continues right now not good for the show.
Lee pace has been an amazing emperor
This show is STUNNING!!!! The visuals are INSANE!!!! I’m waiting for the new season 🖤
Can't wait till next season😢
What a scene with this beautiful score of music. In those couple seconds you can sense the terror, acceptance and hopelessness from all the citizens of Terminus as they can only look up into the sky.
Long live the Empire.
million times better than star wars
They aren't even remotely in the same genre, try comparing it to Dune, Battlestar Galactica, Babylon 5, or something of that nature.
Bros playing Stellaris
It'd been a while since a Sci-Fi show stunned me to silence. This episodes ending got me good.