I love how you played Bobbie's Mariner Valley scene in reverse, and it still works as a scene; The augmented view fades, revealing the reality, she looks down at the dust, and drops a handful of dead rock back where it came from. Not sure if you intended for it to work but I'm surprised it did.
@@will2brown50 THe book information is the final authority when it comes down to it. They wouldnt have had the time or inclination to do the exposition in the show, so someone played fast and loose and just threw that in the Extras without verifying. I think the tricky point is that in the MCRN he was only a Commander, but as soon as the mutineer/defectors formed up and headed out, they all started calling him Admiral, even before an organized Laconian military existed.
9:04 This is the Ring builder ship yard thing growing a new ship. Its called The Heart of the Tempest and is Magnetar class cruiser used by the Laconians in the next story arc. It would have had a big role to play had they done a seventh season/movie.
Ring Builders didn't physically build their ships they grew them. Duarte knew he struck gold with Laconia which is why he heavily mined the gate and kept to himself for decades while they exploited the technology available to them.
Incorrect. The partially completed ship shown there is an incomplete gatebuilder ship, which the laconiams eventually fashioned into the proteus. The construction of the magnetars didn’t even begin until at least a decade later, if not more
With the third Magnetar class cruiser being completed roughly 30 years after this scene its unlikely that its one of those. Laconia was building quite a few more destroyers and stuff before the magnetar cruisers went into production.
Great video. The only note I'd make is that Winston Duarte was a Commander in the MCRN, when he founded the Laconian Empire he was made an Admiral by them
@pranavtripathi6336 they're probably accounting for the time jump. Think how cool it'll be to have the cast revisiting their roles after a couple years.
I think the estimate of the number of people on Laconia based on ship complement is low. It sounds like these ships would be stuffed with extra gear and families and additional personnel since they know they are making a one way trip in a short period of time.
@@dark_ops1651If you’re trying to build a brand new society on the other side of the universe you need to throw a lot of bodies at it. There was really no way the now-Laconians would have been able to predict what kind of reception they’d receive on the other side of the gate. They’d also need a sufficiently large breeding pool & a large workforce.
I can't believe they cancelled this a show everybody wants more of so they can save money while at the same time they spend half a billion dollars on a lord of the rings show that no one wants
It wasn’t exactly cancelled. Ty & Dan thought this would be a good stopping point. There’s a 30 year gap between book 6 & book 7. That’s a lot of time to bridge considering that most of the same characters from the first 6 books come back in 7-9. They never ruled out picking the story up again, however.
@@grahamstrouse1165I'm counting on it, it's promising that they still included all the Laconian stuff at the end, something that implies continuation. It's happened before after season 3, and I sure hope it resumes
I heard rumblings online 6 months ago that apple TV was being considered to help adapt the last 3 books. I've read the last 3 books after I watched the show and honestly out of all the book I think book 8 and 9 would of have been the best to be seen in live action.
The ring station would effectively have infinite inertia. That was one of its advantages since it could fire all 6 guns at once along non co-linear vectors and not move. One of the benefits of having your own pocket universe built around the station - everything moves when it does.
@@hildemel the tempest was completely destroyed by Bobbie, using only a teakettle powered ship that was falling apart at the seams (and some anti matter)
They called those structures in orbit, orbital platforms. - (( spoilers )) - They are shipyards. And the one of the two or three shipyards had a half built ship. The spiral, coil like thing was the shipyard and the uprooted tree like thing in the center is the ship which the Laconians use a main battle cruiser, the first through the Ring, but for all we know, Builders might have used it to make moons or turn white dwarf stars into stellar-mass planet sized diamond computer servers.
I thought Draper took out the power supply for only one of the railguns. It allowed the Roci to provide fire support, but also meant there was a huge blindspot for the Free Navy to exploit when they transited into the Slow Zone.
In the books, when Bobby took out the generator, the Ring Station retaliated by disabling all of the rail-guns. And if I remember rightly, also everyone’s weapons on the station and Bobby’s power armor.
@@eds1942That’s not accurate. In the books, the rail guns were all disabled by Bobbie flying a ship kamikaze into the single reactor. The resulting explosion of the reactor also severely damaged the metal loops wrapped around the station, which the railguns were mounted to. The Ring Station did not retaliate in any way, other than change colour a few times. In fact, the ring station has never retaliated in any way since ProtoMiller shut down the security state in Abaddon’s Gate, other than to exhaust excess energy out the ring gates, which is its normal functionality. Not even when it was directly hit with the USM Field Projector, nor a gamma ray burst from a star collapsing into a black hole, which was powerful enough to completely obliterate two entire gates. None of the people’s weapons were disabled, and Bobbie, Amos and the strike teams had to fight hard for many more hours to get the Laconians guarding the railgun emplacements to surrender, with loss of life on both sides. No idea where you are getting your information from.
Please make a video explaining the events of the last book and how Laconia conquered Sol. We are likely never to get a follow up show so I would love an explanation video from you.
Laconia conquered Sol in Book 7, not the last book. Long story short they had access to incredibly powerful gate-builder technology, tech that the Sol powers foolishly (to the point of being a huge plot hole, honestly) did not consider to be that big a threat, despite all evidence to the contrary. This technology was so powerful that one single laconian ship was able to easily defeat *three thousand* of the the best ships of the Sol and Transport Union forces, including 3 city ships which were the size of an entire city and the most powerful ships ever constructed (outside of Laconia). They also had a death star-like weapon (in fact more similar to the MD Device in Ender’s Game), that could completely obliterate an entire planet in a single shot, destroying the very molecular bonds that hold atoms together. They even were in possession of technology that could resurrect human beings from the dead, as well as grant immortality and near invulnerability to human beings. So it was quite hard for Sol to match up to that, especially as they had spent the last 30 years rebuilding Earth, after Marko and Phillip genocided the majority of all human beings in the universe, and the resultant ecological collapse on Earth after suffering not one but three Extinction Level Events.
@@spacecadet2172 Wow I hope they adapt that into a TV series, it would be amazing to watch the spectacle. By the way, I heard at the end of the book series, 1000 years pass and humanity discovers FTL and starts reconnecting with the lost colonies. Does the book explain what the tech is? Is it a warp engine?
@@spacecadet2172 To hear this shit going down makes me rather sad. Why is this show so focused on military and genocidal maniacs? Not a show that makes somebody hopeful for humanity's future.
@@leonardoalfonso7080that is the epilogue of book 9. The tech is sort of explained. It has to do with slipping between the space we live in and the space where the ring entities live. It’s faster than light, and it is implied that they have made contact with several other colonies. I think it was the perfect way to end the series. If they hadn’t included that epilogue, the entire series would have ended on a pretty bummer note.
Assuming you are referring to the USM Field Projector weapon, even though it was not mentioned in that video. But I would say that weapon is more similar to the MD Device from the Ender’s Game series, rather than the Death Star weapon.
@@spacecadet2172 i don't have a clue what you are on about. I found it ironic that the big deference between this and starwars is that instead of a ditch we have a raised platform.
@@maximilianarold Hmm, that is a very bizarre comparison if that's the case. The railguns have almost nothing in common with the Death Star weapon. They have more in common with a handgun or rifle. The railguns are projectile-based weapons that pierce targets and use non-explosive munitions. They also do not have the capability to destroy even a small asteroid, let alone an entire planet. The Death Star weapon is energy based and detonates when contacting matter.
@@AdmiralSpaceballs I'm not sure you have a clear understanding of how those two weapons operate. They are nothing alike. The railguns are kinetic weapons that fire piercing projectile munitions at incredible speed. The Death Star weapon is energy based and causes explosive detonations upon impact. They are nothing alike at all, in any sense or form. The railguns are not able to explode even a small ship (apart from causing a secondary reaction by damaging the magnetic containment of the reactor core) let alone an entire planet.
I know this is a new comment but what happened to the ship which was disappeared by the space time anomaly during the transit? I'm curious but if you don't have an answer I will respect that.
@@janakadissanayake9350 Its the top search result for me lol. Here's the google drive link to the download: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jluhXlEbfBWX7MH1LHkJ9-KRDj9DKcjp
Powered by a huge central nuclear reactor - weak spot. Yeah, pretty sure the Empire discovered that little nugget long before the people living during the events of The Expanse.
Book Duarte only made one mistake. Desire for immortality. The rest... honestly... he had a fair point. If not for his desire to be an immortal emperor, they were on the right track. An enemy that can effortlessly fuck with the structure of reality itself is not an enemy you can fight by committee.
@@jd-yo2is Confrontation was inevitable. We are tood repeatedly that dutchman events aelre increasing with frequency as traffic increased. The transport union couodnt handle Laconian navy, who in turn could have handled thr lle ring builders whobwere utterly annihilated by the UE. Ideology and economy take a back seat to the survival of the sepcies.
@@x3wildcard honestly I don't remember if you're right about the ships disappearing at a higher rate before Laconia escalated, but even if you are, what they did still made absolutely no sense. Looking at essentially what is a conflict with gods with the juvenile mindset of a schoolyard fight (or human warfare) is just ridiculous. Confrontation isn't the right word. More like poking an bear with a stick. And that's being generous.
A already miss the show why cancel it am pretty sure there lord of the rings show is a flop yet they kept it there was loads of other shows they could have cancelled and kept the expanse running a love how they didn’t end it but left it open for the 30 year time jump hopefully they continue to season 7 at some point and pray they don’t consider a reboot
Why don't you people just read Persepolis Rising? I was able to jump from series to books and not miss many important details. That should tell you how good the series really was. Stop being a bunch of lazy bums and use your imaginations.
I love how you played Bobbie's Mariner Valley scene in reverse, and it still works as a scene; The augmented view fades, revealing the reality, she looks down at the dust, and drops a handful of dead rock back where it came from. Not sure if you intended for it to work but I'm surprised it did.
I actually reversed that clip so that it would fade away and match with what i was saying 😉
@@dark_ops1651 It worked ! Nice touch !
Winston Duarte wasn't an Admiral with the MCRN, just a commander. Also, his specialty was logistics.
The extras on Amazon state he was. Although this is seemingly a mistake as he's clearly listed as a commander in season 4
@@will2brown50 THe book information is the final authority when it comes down to it. They wouldnt have had the time or inclination to do the exposition in the show, so someone played fast and loose and just threw that in the Extras without verifying. I think the tricky point is that in the MCRN he was only a Commander, but as soon as the mutineer/defectors formed up and headed out, they all started calling him Admiral, even before an organized Laconian military existed.
@@ZakhadWOW admiral is the highest rank in any navy so it only make sense they call him that.
@@fucky889 well, they gaive it to him because he was the dictator; he never earned it in the MCRN, and likely never would have
We all know at least some loggies want to be immortal despots. Keep an eye on those guys.
9:04 This is the Ring builder ship yard thing growing a new ship. Its called The Heart of the Tempest and is Magnetar class cruiser used by the Laconians in the next story arc. It would have had a big role to play had they done a seventh season/movie.
Ring Builders didn't physically build their ships they grew them. Duarte knew he struck gold with Laconia which is why he heavily mined the gate and kept to himself for decades while they exploited the technology available to them.
Incorrect. The partially completed ship shown there is an incomplete gatebuilder ship, which the laconiams eventually fashioned into the proteus. The construction of the magnetars didn’t even begin until at least a decade later, if not more
With the third Magnetar class cruiser being completed roughly 30 years after this scene its unlikely that its one of those. Laconia was building quite a few more destroyers and stuff before the magnetar cruisers went into production.
Great video. The only note I'd make is that Winston Duarte was a Commander in the MCRN, when he founded the Laconian Empire he was made an Admiral by them
It's such a shame that we won't get a season 7. I was looking forward to the Laconian empire
@pranavtripathi6336 they're probably accounting for the time jump. Think how cool it'll be to have the cast revisiting their roles after a couple years.
The "Strange Dogs" were Protomolecule Repair Drones, Reference book 7 of the Expanse.
I think the estimate of the number of people on Laconia based on ship complement is low. It sounds like these ships would be stuffed with extra gear and families and additional personnel since they know they are making a one way trip in a short period of time.
True but overstuffing a ship like that might have been suspicious
@@dark_ops1651If you’re trying to build a brand new society on the other side of the universe you need to throw a lot of bodies at it. There was really no way the now-Laconians would have been able to predict what kind of reception they’d receive on the other side of the gate. They’d also need a sufficiently large breeding pool & a large workforce.
@@grahamstrouse1165universe? The gate network doesn’t even span the entire galaxy
that ftl music fits so well with this awesome well documented video
thanks for noticing!
I can't believe they cancelled this a show everybody wants more of so they can save money while at the same time they spend half a billion dollars on a lord of the rings show that no one wants
It wasn’t exactly cancelled. Ty & Dan thought this would be a good stopping point. There’s a 30 year gap between book 6 & book 7. That’s a lot of time to bridge considering that most of the same characters from the first 6 books come back in 7-9. They never ruled out picking the story up again, however.
@@grahamstrouse1165 hopefully but hope is in short supply these days
@@grahamstrouse1165I'm counting on it, it's promising that they still included all the Laconian stuff at the end, something that implies continuation. It's happened before after season 3, and I sure hope it resumes
@@bittybaff3541The longer they go without announcing anything, the more the series will be forgotten. :(
I heard rumblings online 6 months ago that apple TV was being considered to help adapt the last 3 books. I've read the last 3 books after I watched the show and honestly out of all the book I think book 8 and 9 would of have been the best to be seen in live action.
Infinite inertia, not 0 inertia.
You’re completely right 😅
The ring station would effectively have infinite inertia. That was one of its advantages since it could fire all 6 guns at once along non co-linear vectors and not move. One of the benefits of having your own pocket universe built around the station - everything moves when it does.
Great work bringing all this info for folks interested in the expanse!
I'd love to see a huge slugfest between a combined Sol nation fleet and a Laconian empire fleet.
If only....
Well if the novels are anything to go by...it would have been an extremely one-sided battle.
@@hildemeltell that to Bobbie Draper
@spacecadet2172 the Tempest took out the entire Earth-Mars-Union fleet all by itself without breaking a sweat.
Sounds pretty one-sided to me.
@@hildemel the tempest was completely destroyed by Bobbie, using only a teakettle powered ship that was falling apart at the seams (and some anti matter)
Biggest Villain in the Expanse that will come if they make another new season
They called those structures in orbit, orbital platforms.
- (( spoilers )) -
They are shipyards. And the one of the two or three shipyards had a half built ship. The spiral, coil like thing was the shipyard and the uprooted tree like thing in the center is the ship which the Laconians use a main battle cruiser, the first through the Ring, but for all we know, Builders might have used it to make moons or turn white dwarf stars into stellar-mass planet sized diamond computer servers.
I thought Draper took out the power supply for only one of the railguns. It allowed the Roci to provide fire support, but also meant there was a huge blindspot for the Free Navy to exploit when they transited into the Slow Zone.
Bobbie says that they lost the guns afterwards. Also, as seen in Episode 5, they can point 5 of the railguns towards the Sol Ring entrance.
@@dark_ops1651 Ah. Weird that they wouldn't have any redundancy on the power supply.
In the books, when Bobby took out the generator, the Ring Station retaliated by disabling all of the rail-guns. And if I remember rightly, also everyone’s weapons on the station and Bobby’s power armor.
@@eds1942That’s not accurate. In the books, the rail guns were all disabled by Bobbie flying a ship kamikaze into the single reactor. The resulting explosion of the reactor also severely damaged the metal loops wrapped around the station, which the railguns were mounted to. The Ring Station did not retaliate in any way, other than change colour a few times. In fact, the ring station has never retaliated in any way since ProtoMiller shut down the security state in Abaddon’s Gate, other than to exhaust excess energy out the ring gates, which is its normal functionality. Not even when it was directly hit with the USM Field Projector, nor a gamma ray burst from a star collapsing into a black hole, which was powerful enough to completely obliterate two entire gates. None of the people’s weapons were disabled, and Bobbie, Amos and the strike teams had to fight hard for many more hours to get the Laconians guarding the railgun emplacements to surrender, with loss of life on both sides. No idea where you are getting your information from.
@@spacecadet2172 Thanks for the correction.
FINALLLY WHAT IVE BEEN WAITING FOR
I hope you enjoyed it cutie 🥺
@@dark_ops1651 ur the cutieee 🥺
Awesome breakdown!
bruh the double space at the end of the second sentence is killing me.
Please make a video explaining the events of the last book and how Laconia conquered Sol. We are likely never to get a follow up show so I would love an explanation video from you.
Laconia conquered Sol in Book 7, not the last book. Long story short they had access to incredibly powerful gate-builder technology, tech that the Sol powers foolishly (to the point of being a huge plot hole, honestly) did not consider to be that big a threat, despite all evidence to the contrary. This technology was so powerful that one single laconian ship was able to easily defeat *three thousand* of the the best ships of the Sol and Transport Union forces, including 3 city ships which were the size of an entire city and the most powerful ships ever constructed (outside of Laconia). They also had a death star-like weapon (in fact more similar to the MD Device in Ender’s Game), that could completely obliterate an entire planet in a single shot, destroying the very molecular bonds that hold atoms together. They even were in possession of technology that could resurrect human beings from the dead, as well as grant immortality and near invulnerability to human beings. So it was quite hard for Sol to match up to that, especially as they had spent the last 30 years rebuilding Earth, after Marko and Phillip genocided the majority of all human beings in the universe, and the resultant ecological collapse on Earth after suffering not one but three Extinction Level Events.
@@spacecadet2172 Wow I hope they adapt that into a TV series, it would be amazing to watch the spectacle. By the way, I heard at the end of the book series, 1000 years pass and humanity discovers FTL and starts reconnecting with the lost colonies. Does the book explain what the tech is? Is it a warp engine?
@@spacecadet2172 To hear this shit going down makes me rather sad. Why is this show so focused on military and genocidal maniacs? Not a show that makes somebody hopeful for humanity's future.
@@leonardoalfonso7080that is the epilogue of book 9. The tech is sort of explained. It has to do with slipping between the space we live in and the space where the ring entities live. It’s faster than light, and it is implied that they have made contact with several other colonies.
I think it was the perfect way to end the series. If they hadn’t included that epilogue, the entire series would have ended on a pretty bummer note.
400 years in the future and we are still using the death star as a blueprint for weapons 10:00
Assuming you are referring to the USM Field Projector weapon, even though it was not mentioned in that video. But I would say that weapon is more similar to the MD Device from the Ender’s Game series, rather than the Death Star weapon.
@@spacecadet2172 i don't have a clue what you are on about. I found it ironic that the big deference between this and starwars is that instead of a ditch we have a raised platform.
@@spacecadet2172 I think they meant the railgun enplacements on the station and not the Tempests main weapon
@@maximilianarold Hmm, that is a very bizarre comparison if that's the case. The railguns have almost nothing in common with the Death Star weapon. They have more in common with a handgun or rifle. The railguns are projectile-based weapons that pierce targets and use non-explosive munitions. They also do not have the capability to destroy even a small asteroid, let alone an entire planet. The Death Star weapon is energy based and detonates when contacting matter.
@@AdmiralSpaceballs I'm not sure you have a clear understanding of how those two weapons operate. They are nothing alike. The railguns are kinetic weapons that fire piercing projectile munitions at incredible speed. The Death Star weapon is energy based and causes explosive detonations upon impact. They are nothing alike at all, in any sense or form. The railguns are not able to explode even a small ship (apart from causing a secondary reaction by damaging the magnetic containment of the reactor core) let alone an entire planet.
Upvote goes to the FTL music used.
Excellent video, thanks!
Can we please get a short mini series for the last few books? I want to see the Magnetar in action, and so does everyone else.
Great video as always! I love this channel and the quality on these vids is superb.
Grunch
I feel like this whole series was Legends of the galactic heroes on a speedrun
Anyone else noticed the super subtle background music is from the Steam game, Faster Than Light?
soooooooo subtle 🤫
Faster than Light background there...lol
[Book 8 Spoiler]
The "Strange Dogs" are refered to as "Repair Drones" in Tiamat's Wrath, both are funny and accurate though ^^
I know this is a new comment but what happened to the ship which was disappeared by the space time anomaly during the transit? I'm curious but if you don't have an answer I will respect that.
@@letsgostudio6371 Which ship are you talking about? The Barkeith?
Wow - very good clip :)
What is the population of Laconia in 2395?
is this the ftl background music?
I’m here to find information on books 7 to 9. I’m just gonna have to imagine it for now
It says TV in the title 😄
I can fill you in
Ftl got my like
@@RealCanadain83 based viewer
Great video! What’s that cool font you use?
It's a font that's supposed to mimic the one used in the Expanse. It's called "Protomolecule"
@@dark_ops1651 Where can I get it? I was looking for it all over.
@@janakadissanayake9350 Its the top search result for me lol. Here's the google drive link to the download: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jluhXlEbfBWX7MH1LHkJ9-KRDj9DKcjp
@@dark_ops1651 Thanks Mate!
@@dark_ops1651 I found it earlier on a Google drive but couldn’t download it for some reason. Will try this one.
In which episode the drone steals a protomolecule sample? I want to rewatch it.
Season 5 Episode 4.
Powered by a huge central nuclear reactor - weak spot.
Yeah, pretty sure the Empire discovered that little nugget long before the people living during the events of The Expanse.
Book Duarte only made one mistake. Desire for immortality. The rest... honestly... he had a fair point. If not for his desire to be an immortal emperor, they were on the right track. An enemy that can effortlessly fuck with the structure of reality itself is not an enemy you can fight by committee.
no he didn't the transport union was way better than authoritarianism
plus he's the one that really escalated things with the enemy
@@jd-yo2is Confrontation was inevitable. We are tood repeatedly that dutchman events aelre increasing with frequency as traffic increased.
The transport union couodnt handle Laconian navy, who in turn could have handled thr lle ring builders whobwere utterly annihilated by the UE.
Ideology and economy take a back seat to the survival of the sepcies.
Jesus I cant type on mobile. Hopefully that's halfway intelligible
@@x3wildcard honestly I don't remember if you're right about the ships disappearing at a higher rate before Laconia escalated, but even if you are, what they did still made absolutely no sense.
Looking at essentially what is a conflict with gods with the juvenile mindset of a schoolyard fight (or human warfare) is just ridiculous.
Confrontation isn't the right word. More like poking an bear with a stick. And that's being generous.
A already miss the show why cancel it am pretty sure there lord of the rings show is a flop yet they kept it there was loads of other shows they could have cancelled and kept the expanse running a love how they didn’t end it but left it open for the 30 year time jump hopefully they continue to season 7 at some point and pray they don’t consider a reboot
WEEEEEEEE
I justt started book 9...
I thought all the stuff with the Laconia empire was cool in the books. A shame they cancelled the show just short of that story.
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But the shows over..why does this matter
Not read'em but from what I gather the books are further ahead. There is always the hope another network would pick it up where it left off.
I'm disappointed that (TV) doesn't stand for Taylor's Version, 0/10
Why don't you people just read Persepolis Rising? I was able to jump from series to books and not miss many important details. That should tell you how good the series really was. Stop being a bunch of lazy bums and use your imaginations.
Plus the books fill in a lot of gaps in the series.
I haven't gotten to Book 7 yet. And as shown in the title, this video is for people who have seen the TV show.
Stop being a lazy bum and read the first six before you jump into the seventh!
last season of the show wasnt great
It had cool moments but you're right