David Lynch hates the movie too. He is on records, multiple times, stating that he started "selling out" already during the writing of the film. It's not as simple as the film was ruined in the editing room. It is the studios fault for imposing such a ridiculous runtime limit on Lynch, but no matter how much the film is re-edited, the material to make the film the way Lynch wanted to simply does not exist, and never has. But Lynch is happy that you liked it :)
In the final cut of the film, the Fremen barely exist, except as background characters for Paul's plans. All of these deleted scenes were so important.
It depends on which cut you saw. The theatrical cut was shit to be honest. There are so many better cuts. I swear though, this movie has as many cuts, if not more than Blade Runner. Each of them fill in blanks that are missing from the theatrical and while the movie itself veers away from the books in a number of areas, the missing information/scenes made it a 1000x better than what people saw in theaters.
No one who watches any version of Lynch's 'Dune' would see the Fremen as "barely existing." What a sad hot take when there are so many other indictments of that interpretation. But the meta-theme is this: even "Dune" done badly is leagues beyond the fiction tripe of the day. :}
They sure did! I did love how they included the small boys in several important scenes. If you hadn't read the book then you wouldn't know that they were Paul's "sons" as he was responsible for them since he killed their father. They were there with the 100 strongest warriors to learn the weirding way because it was their place to be where Paul was. Then at the end they are waiting with their mother as Paul comes down the stairs. One of them is even holding a pug as a symbol of House Atreides.
Everett McGill totally owned the role of Stilgar. It's a shame he disappeared from cinema in the late 90s, he had such great presence. You have to wonder how he felt having so many of his scenes cut from the film...
I really love how the Fremen machinery looks really ancient and makeshift. Gives the Fremen a real "survival" appereance. This is one of the best movies I've ever seen. There is SO MUCH IN THIS MOVIE.
he died to someone who has soooo much training he never had chance even though he was Fremen. Stilgar even said to his mother " he shouln't toy with Jamis, just end it" where his mother replied " my son has never had to kill before"
@@vonn4017 and when you take into account Jamis was a respected and highly killed fighter amoung the fremen, it shows just how well trained Paul was, having studied under 2 of the most respected and well trained soldiers in the known galaxy, ontop of been trained by a bene gesirit and a mentat in both their ways of thinking, and fighting.
In the book this scene is quite more important ; in the movie there aren't twoimportant parts: where Usul rejects Harah as his wife and as much as important part where Usul gives the Water Rings to Chani , an not entirely aware curtship gesture.
He does follow the tradition of caring for the children left fatherless. The movie even shows that if you know what to look for. Like the training of the 100 strongest warriors and at the end where they are waiting at the bottom of the stairs. One is even holding an Atreides "war hound". Great touches!
@@Craig_N Jamis's children also became 2 of the most loyal Fedakin and Harah while not his wife, became a close confident and if i remember rightly, aide to Chani and her children.
Little piece of trivia: The original movie I saw in the theater was 3hrs 10min long, and had a 15 minute intermission to stretch your legs. These scenes are from that long version. I believe there is also an extended version that is 2hrs 57 min and another that was 2hrs 15min. They gave you a pamphlet to interpret the terminology,etc when you went in. Since I hadn't read Dune yet I couldn't follow it, my husband who had read it, loved it. After reading the book, I came to love it too.
The extended edition is actually quite decent... it's a damn shame that the director and the studio both seem to hate it, because it's much better than the interesting but deeply flawed theatrical release.
Had they kept much of the cut material, and cut much of the damned internal monologue, I think it would be far better remembered. As it stands, it's a flawed but memorable and quite fun interpretation.
@@Argumemnon Lynch's ego got in the way of everything he did. I saw this in the theater and the theatrical was awful. It had obviously been cut down from a much longer movie. But also it was just so OTT it was like Lynch was mocking the novel and many of the fans of the novel I was with walked out arguing whether Lynch had made a camp movie or not.
@@KenS1267 What are you talking about? Lynch WANTED a much longer movie. It was all Dino De Laurentis, the producer's fault. He took control away from Lynch at almost ever step and would let him make the film he wanted, not let him cut it the way he wanted.
@@Derek_Smallshorts Even the uncut scenes are awful and are not even remotely the Dune novel. I know Lynch has made a ton of excuses over the years but he directed the actors and he's responsible for the way they delivered the dialogue. He was the one who edited the three hour "finished" cut down to the two hour theatrical release. Even the "extended" version is still a terrible movie. But there is really no doubt that David Lynch's ego was a huge issue with everything he did. There's a reason he's made so little and worked less and less over the years. Since Twin Peaks he's made 4 movies in 30 years, the last in 2006 being such a bizarre ego piece no one else would produce or distribute it.
The music in this part seems to be an abbreviated version of the official soundtrack's "Final Dream", by Toto. EDIT (1 year later): Stupid younger me. It's actually "Paul Meets Chani" from the same soundtrack.
It makes sense with Jessica, it doesn't quite do so with Chani (but the main lead's love interest gotta love interest I suppose), however Harrah in the book was _definitely_ not a pretty woman. She wasn't hideous or anthing but she was clearly long past her prime and in fact was even mad at Paul for not wanting to sleep with her (whereas he didn't mind her, he just wanted to be chaste for Chani).
@@yarpen26 But Chani is regularly described as "elfin" in the book. And Jessica thinks to warn Paul about Fremen women after hearing the feminine allure in that "girl-child's voice". The fact that both she and Paul were young is actually important.
@@samadams1408 Okay but Chani can't really be seen as conventionally beautiful for a very simple reason: she's Fremen and Fremen are thoroughly water-deprived, skin visibly hanging off their bones. In fact, pretty much any offworlder can be recognized instantly based on just how water-fat thier bodies are. All the adaptations neglect that of course (the Lynch Fremen look more like the water-spoilt, wasteful Fremen from Book 2 and 3 whom the older generation hold in contempt..
Because David Lynch is not an artist, but a lucky pretentious douche who recieved this job and rose to his sucess on the overreactional fame to Eraserhead... and instead of mounting a full-grown Worm, thought of himself as a Kwisatz Haderach and would use a Little Maker (2hr film) to give us the Water of Life. But he was not worthy and poisoned Frank Herbert's Lore!
The main reason this scene doesn't work as opposed to the book is because the film didn't make it clear how much the Fremen cherish water, how little water there is on Dune and their customs with the little water they have.
I think this scene exactly shows all those things. This film is so hard core. The french culture is so hard core. The ambient background him in the sound is silverback and created the best 'atmosphere' I've ever felt.
In the book, it also enforced the idea that they take care of each other and put the tribe first. When you kill a fellow Fremen, you had to take on his responsibilities. In this particular case, Paul became responsible for his wife & kids.
MrJohnny56789 Sounds like a good policy to me! Had I known that when I was 15, there were a couple husbands with hot wives in our neighborhood that I would've loved sticking a chrysknife into...just kidding!
It's funny, I remember getting the tie-in storybook for this movie and wondering why this scene and many others weren't included in the actual film. Looks like I can finally see what was removed by the studio.
Fun fact, in the books Paul is given the responsibility of looking after Jamis’ family as part of Fremen tradition. The wife actually gets kinda pissed he doesn’t marry her, likely out of grief for her husband, a desire for some stability after his death, and later fanaticism for Paul
Being a muggle who never read the books I always wondered who the kids were in the group that Paul selected to train. Didn't realise they had such a significant backstory.
gaarastar57 Read the Damm book you Harkonen! The sons of jamis actually become the sons of Usul, and Hara is under his protection for at least 1 year. Usul tells her, they will always have a place with him, she becomes another of Stilgars wives later on.
Daniel DiDonato Calm yourself bro, I admitted to not reading the books, nor do I have any real wish to. I simply pointed out that I always wondered who the two kids were in the film and now I know. Chill.
he is the ONLY ONE to play stilgar.. I can't imagine another person playing that part that well.. .so self disciplined.. a leader yet one that recongizes leadership when it is stronger and powerful then his own.
I wish this was in Part Deux, but I won’t complain about the scene that took its place, it’s beautiful and serves the storyline by contributing to the significance of the weight of water.
I still prefer this version over the new one. I don’t know why, the new one is visually much better and the actors do a great job. Stilgar and Jessica are much better in the old one.
An underwhelming actor to be sure. The direction of the film is one that makes the actors wooden though. See Haiden Christensen in other films than star wars, where he is pretty good, and then compare to him under George Lucas' direction to see what I mean.
Kyle was perfect casting. You have to understand his emotionless exterior is a deliberate filmmaking choice. Due to his Bene Gesserit training he knows how to hide his feelings well, and needs to do so if he wants to be seen as a strong leader, and hide his true intentions from his enemies. Everyone in the Dune universe, except for some like Gurney or Duncan, are total weirdos.
Paul is supposed to be wooden. He is Kwisatz Haderach. A male trained Bene Gesserit witch with the power of prescience. A much better casting decision than the Twink they hired to play Paul in the most recent adaptation.
Well I never had any trouble with the music in the Redux version. It seemed to fit just fine. There are also some other little changes to look forward to... like the Navigator.
Let's be honest, Dune is too big for a single movie that would be popular with a mainstream audience. Satisfying a modern crowd will require an artful touch, Even a two part (2+ hour each) version would barely cover the first book satisfactorily. Just understanding all the tech and power structure in the first book would swamp some attention spans. Audience attention and interest would waver after you skip through time, first in decades (then centuries in later books) if Dune became a complete film series. There are paradigm shifts in key factions in power, personal abilities and motivation throughout the book series. I'm unsure if a mainstream (movie or TV) audience could keep up if it got that big.
Yet another scene they chopped which gave the film more context and depth. They really should have made it into two films. The fall of House Atreides, the Rebellion of the Fremen.
Unfortunately today's movies are CGI, wires and action driven. What is unfortunate is not the movies; but the audiences that like them. We live in an ADD society where thought has been replaced by feeling, strategy by tactics and acting by stuntmen. This Dune movie is a gorgeous, well crafted artwork. It deviates from the book somewhat; but it remains beautiful in it iself. I am 62 yo. I remember a time when people thought at length and thus, by placing thought above feelings, felt deeply.
I wonder why did they cut all that? This is the only scene in a movie that shows that the fremen actually are quite technologically advanced and not some random local nomads, which is important note
Well the musical score in the Special Edition DVD was indeed jumbled. I'm just hoping it uses the music from the original Theatrical Release and of course, the deleted scenes. :)
based on real world customs. if I remember the books hinted in such cases among the Fremen if the new husband was abusive she would kill him. Paul set her free but helped take care of the boys. Jamis was a hot head and hence Paul was not blamed for killing him.
Wasn't he stilgar? I think Jessica subduing stilgar by the Way is more trailer worthy than Paul's first kill, plotwise. Not saying it was unimportant. The wife was important in fremen accepting alia too.
@@ismata3274 She was just securing her survival, Stilgar never says anything regarding giving her shelter in his tribe. She made sure it "came up in conversation."
@@ismata3274 Jessica deals with Stilgar at this point, but Paul deals with Janis at the same time and then after Paul spared him they have a ceremonial fight to the death because Janis' was butthurt. To the Fremen Paul was like a cat toying with a mouse, but it's really just Paul's innocence being broken as it was Paul's first ever kill.
@@thecappeningchannel515 Part of that was because (a) he'd already fallen head over heels for Chani and (b) he was only fifteen and probably didn't feel ready to accept husbandly responsibilities for an older woman and her two kids by two previous fathers (one of whom he had just killed). She probably wasn't THAT old, but if you allow that she was in her early 20s when she had the first kid, she might have been about thirty - in other words, twice his age.
Another poor choice of scene to cut. Despite, Jodorowsky saying he was happy upon first seeing Lynch's version, that nobody can properly capture Dune, maybe he should've seen all the scenes? Lynch really owned this and it's still so watchable everytime.
can someone fill me in why is everyone looking her up and down like she’s down something wrong they don’t feel bad for her? ik jamis and paul fought to the death but harah didn’t really do anything
Paul is attempting to assimilate in to a culture whose rituals and customs he largely knows nothing about. Not an easy task. You see this when he hesitates and looks to his mother before deciding to accept the water. He has no idea what the "correct" specific social customs in their society are but he does have a general understanding of what type of people they are. When he walks by Hara his options are to either avert his stare or look her directly in the eyes. He chooses the latter, probably because he assumed averting his eyes might look weak or disrespectful to a Fremen. Staring a woman down until SHE looks away is an alpha behavior. Given what Paul does know about Fremen culture, and everything he has seen of it since entering their ranks, it was probably better to risk erring on the side of being too alpha in that situation rather than too beta.
If they are really worried about they would have chose a better container In desert and out of the sun the water evaporators very quickly cause there is very little moisture in the air
Love the book but if you do the math the body water doesn’t quite add up. The human body is 70% water by weight and a liter weighs 1 kilogram. So Jamis weighed 47 kilos or about 104 pounds. Let’s say the fremen are chronically dehydrated and are 60% water then Jamis was only 121 pounds. Perhaps Frank Herbert intended for them to be small people.
@@paulbuschman most people when they start losing weight lose 20-30 pounds rapidly. this is water weight. muscle is more heavy then fat. so the Fremen would be lean and due to super harsh desert those that would lose the least water to heat and don't need as much food for basic tasks would be more likely to survive. there would be some harsh selective pressures that over thousands of years would breed a people who were very lean but potentially of a wiry strength that would be akin to say a chimp. chimps at 80 pounds can beat the hell out of a heavier human to the point where the chimp can rip off your face.
toomanyaccounts the leaner you get the higher percentage of water your body is. Frank Herbert may very well have done the math (the 33 liters comes from the book) and intended the fremen to be small and wiry, but I’m not sure. You are reaching with your explanation though. I’m a medical doctor and you clearly don’t understand total body water storage and the differences between Intra-cellular, Intra-vascular, and extra-cellular water.
@@paulbuschman medical doctor. funny how i see medical doctors say that there is no biological difference between men and women, that tanning injections can make a white couple have black babies, make people blind who want to be blind, or give female hormones to male teenagers as behavioral control.
I can say this safely I feel here ... I much prefer the soundtrack of 1984 Dune to the current Hans Zimmer. I'm a big fan of Hans , seen him in concert. The 1984 version is so ' tragic ' with the combination of religious chant and electronic samples. Its brilliant! Each tone is a slab in the heart. How can this be , for this is the essence of a soundtrack 😊
@@Liminal_Maze And in the book it doesn't fit in a container that small - but that's only one of the things wrong with the movie - and a minor one at that
@@samadams1408 Yes you're right I forgot about that, let's say it's "artistic licence" then. In the book they put it in an bag, like a big goatskin. Less cinematographic, I guess.
wowjunky07 Yea, a lot of these deleated scenes were in the movie in an original release. Much better then than seeing it now. Made it closer to the book.
i know i've seen this scene before, if for no other reason than my pubescent thoughts about jamis' wife XD so it's in some version that's been broadcast before.
if they can do it for Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter, it could be done for Dune. But my feeling is that Dune could not connect with the majored of movies goers.
Remember that those films didn't come out until the early 2000's; back in the mid 1980s, the studios simply weren't ready to tell a story over multiple films like that. I do wish Lynch would put aside his bitterness and assemble a full cut with all the material that was fit to insert. Once the edit was done in story terms, the special effects (e.g. the eyes) could easily be cleaned up with CGI.
The only problem with this movie is that it wasn't eight hours long.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
33 liters of water for you!
and to think Lynch was on board to direct book 2 and 3.....DAAAAAAAMN!!!!!!!!
*The problem was it wasn't a tv series that wasn't limited to your standard 2 hour runtime*
The 3 hr directors cut has this scene and several others.
This version gets so much unnecessary hate. We thank you, Mr. Lynch.
this was from the producer cut
best version ever!
@@toomanyaccounts "We killed Dune in the editing room."
David Lynch hates the movie too. He is on records, multiple times, stating that he started "selling out" already during the writing of the film. It's not as simple as the film was ruined in the editing room. It is the studios fault for imposing such a ridiculous runtime limit on Lynch, but no matter how much the film is re-edited, the material to make the film the way Lynch wanted to simply does not exist, and never has.
But Lynch is happy that you liked it :)
I'm guessing a child spilling his drink at the dinner table would be a huge deal in this society
Probably that would mean a death sentence if that was to happen.
They would have had sippy-cups to prevent spilling of precious water.
Child will face Immediate banishment to the most desolate region of Planet Dune infested with the largest and most ferocious Sandworms!
TAKE HIS WATER!
lol indeed...water is life on Arrakis...desert planet.
In the final cut of the film, the Fremen barely exist, except as background characters for Paul's plans. All of these deleted scenes were so important.
That's pretty much what they were in the books, too 🙄
It depends on which cut you saw. The theatrical cut was shit to be honest. There are so many better cuts. I swear though, this movie has as many cuts, if not more than Blade Runner. Each of them fill in blanks that are missing from the theatrical and while the movie itself veers away from the books in a number of areas, the missing information/scenes made it a 1000x better than what people saw in theaters.
No one who watches any version of Lynch's 'Dune' would see the Fremen as "barely existing." What a sad hot take when there are so many other indictments of that interpretation. But the meta-theme is this: even "Dune" done badly is leagues beyond the fiction tripe of the day. :}
@@cheddar2648 When compared to the book version, the Fremen are treated as minor characters in the film. Not a "sad hot take," just a fact.
@@springbloom5940 Only to fools.
They deleted so many good scenes that helped enhance the characters. still an amazing film.
Spicedriver cut has them all restored
They sure did! I did love how they included the small boys in several important scenes. If you hadn't read the book then you wouldn't know that they were Paul's "sons" as he was responsible for them since he killed their father. They were there with the 100 strongest warriors to learn the weirding way because it was their place to be where Paul was. Then at the end they are waiting with their mother as Paul comes down the stairs. One of them is even holding a pug as a symbol of House Atreides.
@@Craig_N A battle-pug. As wielded by Gurney Halleck.
Everett McGill totally owned the role of Stilgar. It's a shame he disappeared from cinema in the late 90s, he had such great presence. You have to wonder how he felt having so many of his scenes cut from the film...
Yeah he’s a great actor, gone grey and looks old now. Hollywood doesn’t like real people who show any age.
Thankfully Lynch convinced him to come back for the third season of Twin Peaks.
He tried to fight Gunny Highway in Heartbreak Ridge but Eastwood schooled him….
I remember him in the low budget Steven King movie, Silver Bullet, as the werewolf preacher...and Corey Haim's ridiculous souped-up wheelchair/buggy.
I thought he was brilliant as Stilgar ..... mmmmm Shai-hulud :-)
AQUAFINA IS PEOPLE!!!
Ha!
Now that's funny
Have some Soylent Green with your Aquafina!
I really love how the Fremen machinery looks really ancient and makeshift. Gives the Fremen a real "survival" appereance. This is one of the best movies I've ever seen.
There is SO MUCH IN THIS MOVIE.
This water belongs to Usul. May he guard it for the tribe. May he be generous with it in times of need.
For the sand is dry, and full of sandworms.
so say we all!
Mmmmmmmmm Shai-Hulud
Quapla'!!!
@@oli.r7697 m'oq pah u'ush pah!
(where is your bathroom)
Ahhhhh i GoT it
"So long, Jamis. Bet you wish you hadn't skipped knife practice."
he died to someone who has soooo much training he never had chance even though he was Fremen. Stilgar even said to his mother " he shouln't toy with Jamis, just end it" where his mother replied " my son has never had to kill before"
@@vonn4017 and when you take into account Jamis was a respected and highly killed fighter amoung the fremen, it shows just how well trained Paul was, having studied under 2 of the most respected and well trained soldiers in the known galaxy, ontop of been trained by a bene gesirit and a mentat in both their ways of thinking, and fighting.
In the book this scene is quite more important ; in the movie there aren't twoimportant parts: where Usul rejects Harah as his wife and as much as important part where Usul gives the Water Rings to Chani , an not entirely aware curtship gesture.
He does follow the tradition of caring for the children left fatherless. The movie even shows that if you know what to look for. Like the training of the 100 strongest warriors and at the end where they are waiting at the bottom of the stairs. One is even holding an Atreides "war hound". Great touches!
For if ye mingle your affairs with others, then they are your brothers. -Surah Al-Baqarah - 220 - Quran
Even broken clocks are right twice a day.
@@Craig_N Was very happy the pug survived. :) Because come on, Patrick Stewart charging into battle with a pug is awesome.
@@Craig_N Jamis's children also became 2 of the most loyal Fedakin and Harah while not his wife, became a close confident and if i remember rightly, aide to Chani and her children.
Ironically, Paul probably made better use of Jamis's coffee service.
The James espresso maker.... coffee to DIE for! 😱
The movie cycle of life: the director creates a movie, the studio execs destroy it, and the director revives it.
Little piece of trivia: The original movie I saw in the theater was 3hrs 10min long, and had a 15 minute intermission to stretch your legs. These scenes are from that long version. I believe there is also an extended version that is 2hrs 57 min and another that was 2hrs 15min. They gave you a pamphlet to interpret the terminology,etc when you went in. Since I hadn't read Dune yet I couldn't follow it, my husband who had read it, loved it. After reading the book, I came to love it too.
The 2hr 15 minute is the OG theattrical. The 2hr 57 minute was the extended TV version that I grew up watching.
Harah was pretty hot - not a bad ghanima at all...
The extended edition is actually quite decent... it's a damn shame that the director and the studio both seem to hate it, because it's much better than the interesting but deeply flawed theatrical release.
Had they kept much of the cut material, and cut much of the damned internal monologue, I think it would be far better remembered. As it stands, it's a flawed but memorable and quite fun interpretation.
@@Argumemnon Lynch's ego got in the way of everything he did. I saw this in the theater and the theatrical was awful. It had obviously been cut down from a much longer movie. But also it was just so OTT it was like Lynch was mocking the novel and many of the fans of the novel I was with walked out arguing whether Lynch had made a camp movie or not.
I grew up watching the extended. Did get to see the theatrical in theaters a few years ago. Had to drag a friend along.
@@KenS1267 What are you talking about? Lynch WANTED a much longer movie. It was all Dino De Laurentis, the producer's fault. He took control away from Lynch at almost ever step and would let him make the film he wanted, not let him cut it the way he wanted.
@@Derek_Smallshorts Even the uncut scenes are awful and are not even remotely the Dune novel. I know Lynch has made a ton of excuses over the years but he directed the actors and he's responsible for the way they delivered the dialogue. He was the one who edited the three hour "finished" cut down to the two hour theatrical release. Even the "extended" version is still a terrible movie.
But there is really no doubt that David Lynch's ego was a huge issue with everything he did. There's a reason he's made so little and worked less and less over the years. Since Twin Peaks he's made 4 movies in 30 years, the last in 2006 being such a bizarre ego piece no one else would produce or distribute it.
Put all back. Release. We buy. Music alone is worth it.
Love the music in that scene
The music in this part seems to be an abbreviated version of the official soundtrack's "Final Dream", by Toto.
EDIT (1 year later): Stupid younger me. It's actually "Paul Meets Chani" from the same soundtrack.
0:22 Jesus Christ, another gorgeous woman. Every single woman in this movie is amazing looking, even when dirty as hell. props to the casting director
It makes sense with Jessica, it doesn't quite do so with Chani (but the main lead's love interest gotta love interest I suppose), however Harrah in the book was _definitely_ not a pretty woman. She wasn't hideous or anthing but she was clearly long past her prime and in fact was even mad at Paul for not wanting to sleep with her (whereas he didn't mind her, he just wanted to be chaste for Chani).
@@yarpen26 but then Paul was supposed to be 15 when he bested Jamis so Chani would have been about the same age or perhaps younger.
@@samadams1408 We're talking about her looks, not her age.
@@yarpen26 But Chani is regularly described as "elfin" in the book. And Jessica thinks to warn Paul about Fremen women after hearing the feminine allure in that "girl-child's voice". The fact that both she and Paul were young is actually important.
@@samadams1408 Okay but Chani can't really be seen as conventionally beautiful for a very simple reason: she's Fremen and Fremen are thoroughly water-deprived, skin visibly hanging off their bones. In fact, pretty much any offworlder can be recognized instantly based on just how water-fat thier bodies are. All the adaptations neglect that of course (the Lynch Fremen look more like the water-spoilt, wasteful Fremen from Book 2 and 3 whom the older generation hold in contempt..
Paul wondering if it’s too soon to slide in.
Todo ódio que esse filme recebe é injusto, imerecido e injustificável. Para mim, é a melhor adaptação audiovisual do livro de F. Herbert.
@ 2:23 whispers... "Don't look at me... he started it."
Why were all the best scenes cut from the movie? They could have made a trilogy with a film for each of the three parts of the book
Eaters of the Dead felt like 2 films, cut into half a movie, that changes genres on top of that.
Because David Lynch is not an artist, but a lucky pretentious douche who recieved this job and rose to his sucess on the overreactional fame to Eraserhead... and instead of mounting a full-grown Worm, thought of himself as a Kwisatz Haderach and would use a Little Maker (2hr film) to give us the Water of Life. But he was not worthy and poisoned Frank Herbert's Lore!
It would be criminal not to make this an opening to the second part of Dune
The main reason this scene doesn't work as opposed to the book is because the film didn't make it clear how much the Fremen cherish water, how little water there is on Dune and their customs with the little water they have.
well this isn't the fucking book.
I think this scene exactly shows all those things.
This film is so hard core. The french culture is so hard core.
The ambient background him in the sound is silverback and created the best 'atmosphere' I've ever felt.
The ambient background hum* is superb*
In the book, it also enforced the idea that they take care of each other and put the tribe first. When you kill a fellow Fremen, you had to take on his responsibilities. In this particular case, Paul became responsible for his wife & kids.
MrJohnny56789 Sounds like a good policy to me! Had I known that when I was 15, there were a couple husbands with hot wives in our neighborhood that I would've loved sticking a chrysknife into...just kidding!
I guess that's a good point - he seemed much less arrogant than the Stilgar in the miniseries.
It's funny, I remember getting the tie-in storybook for this movie and wondering why this scene and many others weren't included in the actual film. Looks like I can finally see what was removed by the studio.
I have that same book! Got it at a school book fair if I remember correctly.
I like Chani's "what up, bitch" look
I always like to contemplate women's faces. What a beautiful profile 02:24
this story best told as a ten episode streaming series. One season for each book.
Anyone notice, Stilgar kept his human form and didn't Wolf out anytime in the movie?
He didn't go Neanderthal either...
Silver bullet ref?
And he didn't sell gas and tires......oh wait that was after this.
I was expecting him to put on a leather gimp suit and chase a young boy around with a shotgun.
Scenes like this make it evident how much of the book Lynch really did incorporate into the movie.
Several directors have gone on record and said that Lynch was screwed over by the studio; the movie was ok before it was cut to pieces.
oh! this is awsome for me to see, because I was allways curious about the two young boys who you see later on in "Feydakin training"
Oh s*** I never thought of that!
My mind is blown
Saying "I was a friend of Jamis", I take his Breitling Super Ocean watch!
As long as they don't do Viking burial traditions..
Amazing music
They deleted Hara out of existence yet she is important to the story she helped raise Alia and marries Stilgar later on.
Fun fact, in the books Paul is given the responsibility of looking after Jamis’ family as part of Fremen tradition. The wife actually gets kinda pissed he doesn’t marry her, likely out of grief for her husband, a desire for some stability after his death, and later fanaticism for Paul
why were all the best scenes cut from this film???
Being a muggle who never read the books I always wondered who the kids were in the group that Paul selected to train. Didn't realise they had such a significant backstory.
gaarastar57 Read the Damm book you Harkonen! The sons of jamis actually become the sons of Usul, and Hara is under his protection for at least 1 year. Usul tells her, they will always have a place with him, she becomes another of Stilgars wives later on.
Daniel DiDonato Calm yourself bro, I admitted to not reading the books, nor do I have any real wish to. I simply pointed out that I always wondered who the two kids were in the film and now I know. Chill.
gaarastar57 I'm cool, just busting your chops. But if you'll read HP, you should at least give Dune a try.
The movie didnt put enough emphasis on the importance the Fremen put on Water
he is the ONLY ONE to play stilgar.. I can't imagine another person playing that part that well.. .so self disciplined.. a leader yet one that recongizes leadership when it is stronger and powerful then his own.
Not even by Josh Brolin 😏
Javier bardem did it
I wish this was in Part Deux, but I won’t complain about the scene that took its place, it’s beautiful and serves the storyline by contributing to the significance of the weight of water.
Criminal studio is to blame for the criminal deletion of this part of the book.
I wish they'd put out this version of the movie. With all deleted scenes
I still prefer this version over the new one. I don’t know why, the new one is visually much better and the actors do a great job. Stilgar and Jessica are much better in the old one.
Better visuals. Better casting. More fun.
Among the many problems is Paul, who is wooden, dreary and colourless and never loses his puffy little boy look.
An underwhelming actor to be sure. The direction of the film is one that makes the actors wooden though. See Haiden Christensen in other films than star wars, where he is pretty good, and then compare to him under George Lucas' direction to see what I mean.
I liked him
He's is full of wonder at all that is happening
It's truly legendary
what are you talking about? kyle maclachlan was perfect for the role as well as the rest of the cast.
Kyle was perfect casting. You have to understand his emotionless exterior is a deliberate filmmaking choice. Due to his Bene Gesserit training he knows how to hide his feelings well, and needs to do so if he wants to be seen as a strong leader, and hide his true intentions from his enemies.
Everyone in the Dune universe, except for some like Gurney or Duncan, are total weirdos.
Paul is supposed to be wooden. He is Kwisatz Haderach. A male trained Bene Gesserit witch with the power of prescience. A much better casting decision than the Twink they hired to play Paul in the most recent adaptation.
I would love to see what was in the movie before the studio chopped it up.
It uses music from both versions which has been reorganized to better fit the movie and the deleted scenes as well. No jumble.
Why wasn't this included? It all makes sense now!
They are talking in 32 seconds.I love this movie !
Didn't know they chose a hotter actress for Harah than Chani aka Mrs Paul
I was thinking the same thing. I am pretty sure I could have found some use for that wife.
boujounomono right...?
I'm sure he did!
paddy7812 Didn't she marry Stilgar in the book?
@MrJohnny56789 He actually didn't, read the book.
Well I never had any trouble with the music in the Redux version. It seemed to fit just fine.
There are also some other little changes to look forward to... like the Navigator.
What ever happened to Molly Wryn (Harrah)?
Less acting and more producing now, but still active.
Jamis had a lot to live for but was too hot-headed to realize his peril.
Very deep and beautiful.
Line never used in the movie:”uh where’s the bathroom”?
"...the thigh pads." Liet Kynes
Such Deep movie , and those scenes they deleted it would had been deeper...
Yeah Um daddy is a glass of water now so.....
Deleted I remember seeing this scene in theaters when the movie was still in first run.
Does it have the original musical score/sound as the Theatrical Release?
(As opposed to the jumbled-score in the Special Edition release)
Let's be honest, Dune is too big for a single movie that would be popular with a mainstream audience. Satisfying a modern crowd will require an artful touch,
Even a two part (2+ hour each) version would barely cover the first book satisfactorily. Just understanding all the tech and power structure in the first book would swamp some attention spans. Audience attention and interest would waver after you skip through time, first in decades (then centuries in later books) if Dune became a complete film series.
There are paradigm shifts in key factions in power, personal abilities and motivation throughout the book series. I'm unsure if a mainstream (movie or TV) audience could keep up if it got that big.
Game Of Thrones work out right? Well not so much till the end.
Some good ol' Jamis juice.
the water of life.
fuck that soundtrack is so good, I cant believe its from Earth.
0:52 look at those brooding eyes
Yet another scene they chopped which gave the film more context and depth. They really should have made it into two films. The fall of House Atreides, the Rebellion of the Fremen.
If it's more like the placement of the musical score in the Theatrical Version, then that sounds good. :)
I'll check it out.
Unfortunately today's movies are CGI, wires and action driven. What is unfortunate is not the movies; but the audiences that like them. We live in an ADD society where thought has been replaced by feeling, strategy by tactics and acting by stuntmen.
This Dune movie is a gorgeous, well crafted artwork. It deviates from the book somewhat; but it remains beautiful in it iself. I am 62 yo. I remember a time when people thought at length and thus, by placing thought above feelings, felt deeply.
I wonder why did they cut all that? This is the only scene in a movie that shows that the fremen actually are quite technologically advanced and not some random local nomads, which is important note
Great movie!!!!!
Hannah...her water...shall mingle with my water
This scene always made me thirsty
funny.. i always pee when i see it.
Well the musical score in the Special Edition DVD was indeed jumbled.
I'm just hoping it uses the music from the original Theatrical Release and of course, the deleted scenes. :)
I remember reading in the book that Paul inherited the wife and two kids.
based on real world customs. if I remember the books hinted in such cases among the Fremen if the new husband was abusive she would kill him. Paul set her free but helped take care of the boys. Jamis was a hot head and hence Paul was not blamed for killing him.
i'm betting that jamis is the black guy with a crysknife at his throat in the 2020 trailer.
Wasn't he stilgar? I think Jessica subduing stilgar by the Way is more trailer worthy than Paul's first kill, plotwise. Not saying it was unimportant. The wife was important in fremen accepting alia too.
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She was just securing her survival, Stilgar never says anything regarding giving her shelter in his tribe. She made sure it "came up in conversation."
@@ismata3274 Jessica deals with Stilgar at this point, but Paul deals with Janis at the same time and then after Paul spared him they have a ceremonial fight to the death because Janis' was butthurt. To the Fremen Paul was like a cat toying with a mouse, but it's really just Paul's innocence being broken as it was Paul's first ever kill.
Lil kids head is huge like an orange on a stick. Head move it!
I seem to recall from the book that the wife and sons of Jamis had been acquired by Jamis as result of a duel he had won?
Dont think so, but Jamis wife went to Paul as a prize afterwards. She was older in the books, and not hot like here, so he just kept her around.
The Cappening Channel yeah, I forgot. that's right. I think he treated her well, but never made her his in the tribal sense
That's correct. Jamis won Harah from Geoff prior who had one son with her. Jamis then had another child with her.
@@thecappeningchannel515 Part of that was because (a) he'd already fallen head over heels for Chani and (b) he was only fifteen and probably didn't feel ready to accept husbandly responsibilities for an older woman and her two kids by two previous fathers (one of whom he had just killed). She probably wasn't THAT old, but if you allow that she was in her early 20s when she had the first kid, she might have been about thirty - in other words, twice his age.
One of the boys was Jamis' son; the other one was the son of Geoff, Harah's first husband. Jamis won Harah in a Amtal fight with Geoff.
Another poor choice of scene to cut. Despite, Jodorowsky saying he was happy upon first seeing Lynch's version, that nobody can properly capture Dune, maybe he should've seen all the scenes? Lynch really owned this and it's still so watchable everytime.
can someone fill me in why is everyone looking her up and down like she’s down something wrong they don’t feel bad for her? ik jamis and paul fought to the death but harah didn’t really do anything
Paul is attempting to assimilate in to a culture whose rituals and customs he largely knows nothing about. Not an easy task. You see this when he hesitates and looks to his mother before deciding to accept the water. He has no idea what the "correct" specific social customs in their society are but he does have a general understanding of what type of people they are. When he walks by Hara his options are to either avert his stare or look her directly in the eyes. He chooses the latter, probably because he assumed averting his eyes might look weak or disrespectful to a Fremen. Staring a woman down until SHE looks away is an alpha behavior. Given what Paul does know about Fremen culture, and everything he has seen of it since entering their ranks, it was probably better to risk erring on the side of being too alpha in that situation rather than too beta.
If they are really worried about they would have chose a better container
In desert and out of the sun the water evaporators very quickly cause there is very little moisture in the air
So if Usul would have given the water to Jamis’s widow and would the Fremen take that as an offense?
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
His final words shwoo shwoo
I'll bet their are may out there who would pay double to own a copy of ALL of the scenes recorded.
Why do I remember this scene?
How do you rate the 3 hour fan edited version?
It is great to see many of the deleted scenes added back in, but without access to all the assets it can never be close to Lynch's true vision.
claiming his water, cool stuff. Should not have been cut.
Oopsie doopsie
Love the book but if you do the math the body water doesn’t quite add up. The human body is 70% water by weight and a liter weighs 1 kilogram. So Jamis weighed 47 kilos or about 104 pounds. Let’s say the fremen are chronically dehydrated and are 60% water then Jamis was only 121 pounds. Perhaps Frank Herbert intended for them to be small people.
they are meant to be wiry in strength. not any water weight but just bone and muscle.
toomanyaccounts muscle is 70% water.
@@paulbuschman most people when they start losing weight lose 20-30 pounds rapidly. this is water weight. muscle is more heavy then fat. so the Fremen would be lean and due to super harsh desert those that would lose the least water to heat and don't need as much food for basic tasks would be more likely to survive. there would be some harsh selective pressures that over thousands of years would breed a people who were very lean but potentially of a wiry strength that would be akin to say a chimp. chimps at 80 pounds can beat the hell out of a heavier human to the point where the chimp can rip off your face.
toomanyaccounts the leaner you get the higher percentage of water your body is. Frank Herbert may very well have done the math (the 33 liters comes from the book) and intended the fremen to be small and wiry, but I’m not sure. You are reaching with your explanation though. I’m a medical doctor and you clearly don’t understand total body water storage and the differences between Intra-cellular, Intra-vascular, and extra-cellular water.
@@paulbuschman medical doctor. funny how i see medical doctors say that there is no biological difference between men and women, that tanning injections can make a white couple have black babies, make people blind who want to be blind, or give female hormones to male teenagers as behavioral control.
Big Ed's Water Barn
Jamis' funeral
Both are correct, but I prefer the "s's" end form. 😀
I can say this safely I feel here ... I much prefer the soundtrack of 1984 Dune to the current Hans Zimmer. I'm a big fan of Hans , seen him in concert. The 1984 version is so ' tragic ' with the combination of religious chant and electronic samples. Its brilliant! Each tone is a slab in the heart. How can this be , for this is the essence of a soundtrack 😊
I agree. I love the new film, but your constantly being bombarded with massive bass notes . There's no compelling melodies to the new film's score.
All I know from Toto is the memes about "the rains in Africa" and this soundtrack. Finally hearing this in a theater 3 years back was AWESOME.
I loved the soundtrack so much had to buy the album. I really liked the Prelude and take my hand and that toto sound infused
There is just so much wrong with this movie - 33 liters is about eight and a half gallons - not something that could fit in that container
It's in the book too. 33 litres, 7 drams and 3 seconds. And there nothing wrong with this movie, only different perceptions.
@@Liminal_Maze And in the book it doesn't fit in a container that small - but that's only one of the things wrong with the movie - and a minor one at that
@@samadams1408 Yes you're right I forgot about that, let's say it's "artistic licence" then. In the book they put it in an bag, like a big goatskin. Less cinematographic, I guess.
@@Liminal_Maze And it was carried by two men
That was what Jamis owned, not his personal body's water I believe.
Does anyone know what would happen to the water if Paul had refused it?
A very rare slip and slide event would of happened in the great hall.
Talk about guilt trip....
Another scene that was in the vhs version before it came out on dvd.
wowjunky07 Yea, a lot of these deleated scenes were in the movie in an original release. Much better then than seeing it now. Made it closer to the book.
I saw this when it came out in the theaters, and this scene was not there, nor anything with Jamis.
i know i've seen this scene before, if for no other reason than my pubescent thoughts about jamis' wife XD so it's in some version that's been broadcast before.
if they can do it for Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter, it could be done for Dune. But my feeling is that Dune could not connect with the majored of movies goers.
blvp2145 right? because it takes spatial thinking to appreciate dune..otherwise isn't spoon fed to the average moviegoer
Remember that those films didn't come out until the early 2000's; back in the mid 1980s, the studios simply weren't ready to tell a story over multiple films like that. I do wish Lynch would put aside his bitterness and assemble a full cut with all the material that was fit to insert. Once the edit was done in story terms, the special effects (e.g. the eyes) could easily be cleaned up with CGI.
@@Ensign_Cthulhu So true. Have you seen the fan edit by spicediver?
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@@shelbyvillemusica Hey friend.
they really fucked this movie in post production. not lynch's fault at all
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