Yeah, this would be a much better intro. But what I want to know is why in the Star Trek, Star Wars and Dune universes, NO-ONE HAS SOLVED MALE PATTERN BALDNESS!
@@akrasiathekruzmachine2341- So they did away with Thinking Machines AND treatments for baldness!? What an amazingly advanced civilisation that values baldness above the rugged and hirsute....meh, even I'm not buying that crock, let alone a desirable young lady.
Reporter: (in regards to Picard being bald) Surely they would’ve cured baldness by the 24th century. Gene Roddenberry: By the 24th century they wouldn’t care.
@@ZenCatcher - Yeah, he wasn't bald. Every time the sun hits it, it starts to sizzle. Every time you glance your head against something, it grazes. Everytime you see yourself in a photo you think "Surely I have more hair than that!?" By the 24th century men should have a choice, dammit!
Navigators do *NOT* fold space. The engine drives in the ships do this. The Navigators see a safe path through folded space using their prescient abilities.
Thank you for posting this. It actually explains much of the entire plot of the film and book. It provides a great background of who all the major players are, at least most of them. Worth the time to watch it all. Thanks!
@@NyuuMikuru1 th-cam.com/video/z7FcJwg6OkA/w-d-xo.html has the captions. click the cc button next to settings button. the auto generated english caption function can be shall we say not very good. dune 2000 game cinematics, star control orz cinematics. are two examples of baffling caption generations.
This longer version is the only way to watch the movie, the scenes have a natural flow and are allowed to play out. The theatrical version's breakneck speed and abrupt cuts don't give context to a lot of things happening making it very hard to follow. Its actually kind of funny to watch the theatrical version with the average popcorn munching movie goer in mind.
True, this intro would have helped people understand the movie much better, however there is a strong counter argument. 1. This intro would have made the first half of the movie too long for the average movie-goer who came expecting to see an action film. 2. Virginia Madsen (no explanation necessary).
@@dancnkc I think the intro is actually less important than how the rest of the movie is cut. For instance the theatrical version you get a few seconds with Piter then he's drooling all over jessica. I've read the book and even I am thinking "who the hell is this little imp and WTF is going on!?!"
Thanks! This was how I first saw Dune, on TV as a 2-night 2-parter with that intro. It made me read the book and then want to see all versions of the movie. I keep hoping for a version with the best from all of them. It's a vastly underappreciated masterpiece.
As a research historian and now also as a history teacher this intro makes it feel like a real world, a world with a past and excellently contextualizes what is to take place. I saw this intro way back in the 80s on cable, HBO I think, it came in through the snow if you know what I mean, and I always loved it. The one with the Princess always seemed rushed, tacked on, and frankly trying to appeal to some other head than the thinking one.
That opening only makes sense if you have read the books and know that Irulan became a historian. So basically the newbie is left wondering who she is and why she is narrating. Taking them out of the story before it has even started.
@@kiemer4531 I'm speaking of the long prologue that was added to the "special edition"re-release that was added. I am aware of the original opening with the Princess but I always found that inadequate and unimpressive.
I read almost all Dune novels including the many, many prequels. In fact I just finished ''Navigators of Dune'' , taking place about a century after the Butlerian Jihad. It deals more or less with how the Spacing Guild came into existence.
An atrocious and needless addition. All Frank Herbert's son's additions lacked the multifaceted multidimensional quality of the original series. Frank was a cribber extraordinaire:Poonji rice (Caladan's main export) is actually a Myanmar variety. The Mahdi was a 19th century African jihadist scoring spectacular victories against the British Empire;The Sardaukar were clearly SS troop derivatives with their predominantly blonde elites;The Atreides modelled on French Foreign Legionnaires. The Fremen took the nomadic desert strictures governing Bedouin culture, applied Berber blue eyes yet gave them a naivete associated with British Empire African troops in WW2:unheard of resourcefulness, casually dismissive of encounters with hitherto invincible enemy formations...Layered over this is the feudalism of the Houses major/minor balance,with the corporatism emerging in the 19th century East India Company=Choam,and Cunard=Spacing Guild..The Samurai sword fighting benchmark forced by shields repelling projectile weaponry added edge to an anti-tech future where the real transformations impacted off-planet and in micro engineering,eg stillsuits,hunter-seekers&Bene Tleilax genetic liberties clearly reflecting anti Chinese/Japanese fears. The Americans are represented in the references to the Ixians,Germany=Richesse. Dune enabled the author to project an ecological necessity threshold where the rigours of the planet nullified technology. Satellites avoided due to secret spice bribery;shields attracting sandworms;lasguns/shield interactions causing nuclear fission explosions. The film needlessly messes up most of this.The Gom Jabbar scene probably an exception except the boy Paul is ridiculously too old.A sean Connery kind of masculinity would have cemented Duke Leto's stature instead of the almost school teacher figure the Fremen grew to respect. Hopefully the remake will learn from these and many other mistakes.
I was at the Dune movie (first run) in 1984. They handed out a sheet to “explain” all of this. This intro is so much better and should have been used. In all fairness, Dune is a complex book, and has too many plots, sub plots, twists, and subtitles (thanks Mr. Herbert) to make a 2 hours movie make sense no matter how much you try.
Did you see the new one? Just wondered if they handled it any better? I still think its too complex for a film or two. A series like Game of Thrones or House of Cards would be great.
@@georgemulford2910 - Yes I did see the new one. "Did the movie makers do a better job at explaining the Dune book?". Yes, and no. I won't post any spoilers but the story was communicated a bit better since there are 2 new movies (each about 2.5 hours) so the total movie time may be 5 hours. Maybe more time to go into depth. I do not feel Mentats, and Suk Doctors weren't explained much at all. The viewers had to make some assumptions. The special effects were fantastic so many visual aspects of Dune were up front center (so to speak). Bonus: No heart plugs, or weirding modules (opps, is that a spoiler, SORRY!!!). Nitpicks 1. Never use a laser near a shield 2. We learned to say Harkonnen again (back to 1984). If you haven't seen it, I recommend it. I saw this in the theater (1st live movie since Feb 2020). Maybe wait for in home streaming or purchase option? Let me know what you think! All the best!
Is a good intro lots of useful info, but i think the one used in the movie has his charm too, for me that one feels more about "things are going to get very bad very soon" in a heartless and strange universe.
Herbert was just a product of his time. The book was written in the early 60’s and published in 1965. What was popular then? -Lawrence of Arabia 1962 -Timothy Leary- psilocybin & LSD -Classic sci fi (Asimov, Heinlein) -Atomic energy -Early computers It’s an epic adventure, but there are a few flaws
this is a great version and i do love it..but i also love watching the sexy princess naratte the start of the movie....however this longer movie gives the audiance more detail.
The Lynch Dune film always felt a little retro, in a good way. Like a Biblical epic fron the 50s or 60s. The title slide with Prologue absolutely looked like a throwback to old Biblical films.
people often criticize this video's production, but I think it's well done. it was originally shown only with network TV broadcasts of Dune to brief the mainstream audiences who'd not read the book. I have early memories of reading the book, of waiting for the network showing of the movie, and watching this prologue with great surprise and interest.
In the past LOTR you couldn't get away with a two part movie. A two part release would have this movie so much better. It's a mess of theatrical cut of movie with awesome memorable parts that are so quotable. With great acting, unbelievable score, and a great style. The longer versions are great and make it better but still are choppy and rough It's a shame
For me, like the movie itself, there's what to love and what could have been left out. I like the art of the Bene Gesserit class scene. The studnets look like cat-women.
Its clear why that wasn't used in the theatrical release. It repeats itself several times. Also, the part about the robots taking over has nothing to do with the rest of the story.
"Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them." "'Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man's mind."
V'ger th-cam.com/video/M2vZEP5jiaU/w-d-xo.html there are parts of it here - I’m trying to find the full intro still. The documentary basically says the first cut was 4 and a quarter hours, so massive cuts were made including the intro and the whole third act. If I’m find the full intro, I will link it here
After studying science fiction at university, let me say this about Dune. A lecturer said that Dune must be made into a TV series, and NOT a film! That series must have a half hour introduction. Dune is too complex.
I will never watch this version. I wasn't even here to watch the video. David Lynch's Dune is not a bad movie, but rather a film with flaws and a perfect example of just how unfinished and still a masterpiece in it's own right. David Lynch's vision and directing style is ahead of it's time. When they released this extended TV version, it was not even his work. They had somebody else reconstruct it and saw clips of it and thought it was pitiful. Dune has gotten lots of crap over the gears, but it tried. I resoect David Lynch's vision of Dune now and even more. If only they had let him finish it and had more faith in him. Even he was not happy with the final product.
star wars was heavily inspired by dune even ripped off some stuff without hiding it, they talk about kessel and the spice, they have a man worm on a platform, they have a galactic empire but dune had a universal imperium.
You mean single mothers, and the nanny state! We are playing with A.I., but I hope E.M.P.s can knock them out! But if you go by The Matrix, it did not stop the thinking machines!
So are the actual spice miners employees of house Atreides, the Choam corporation, or are they employees of a 3rd party subcontractor??? I'm thinking they are subcontractors because they are already extracting spice as soon as the Duke arrives on Arrakis. I suggest that the Atreides family is acting more in a general contractor role. This makes sense to me. I think the scenario plays out something like this: the Harkonens lose their contact, the mining subcontractors give the Choam corporation notice that they will stop production until they see some money. So a settlement is reached between the subcontractors, the harkonen's bonding company, and the Choam corporation picking up whatever debt is left outstanding while Atreides recompensates the Choam corporation once the Atreides family inspects facilities on Arrakis and finds them acceptable. Thusly, production continues uninterrupted through the transition.
@@ryan.1990 bro, I don't remember making this comment. I must've been high as fuck trying to rationalize events in a science fiction movie like this in earth terms
The book is a classic and Lynch had managed to make a film that has survived the test of time, but why they had such 💩 paintings over Herbert's narration is beyond me.
I wish they would just do the whole history in animation, human movies take too long and cost too much! I want to see the whole series done! I have read 90% of all the books! They have done the first book four times now, it is time to move forward in the stories! And I want to know what happened to Varion Atreides, after he left for deep space! He might actually still be alive!
I don't have anything against this long prologue - my only objection would be that Freddie Jones and not Virginia Madsen is speaking it. In the first three books, many of the chapters are preceded by what are purported to be excerpts from historical books and Irulan wrote - Irulan is practically the narrator of the story at least in its beginnings, or she provides a critical voice about Paul as a ruler that is confirmed by the story we are told.
I always hated this opening compared to the one with Princess Irulan presenting the prologue. There were more than two schools still in existence also. The Mentat training school, the Face Dancer training school, and the Ginaz school of Swordmastery still existed; else Scytale (Face Dancer conspiritor against Paul Maud'ib), Piter De Vries (Twisted Mentat of the Harkonens), Duncan Idaho (Ginaz Swordmaster), and Thuffir Hawat (Atreides Family Mentat and Master of Assassins), could not have existed. Nor would Paul Maud'ib himself, have been able to be subject of the secretive and aimed at the unconscious mind initial stages of Mentat training in his own right; or been able to continue the conscious Mentat training at his own choice on being made aware of the prior.
I still prefer the reading voice of a woman, but if this text had been used, it wouldn't have been necessary to use so much thought narration which, like the original cut of Bladerunner, resulted in an awkward script. Thanks for posting!
No Jess, your not. This is by far the better of the two. Not to take anything away from Virginia Madsen, who is an excellent actress, but the original narration voice work was the better of the two. His voice was full of the depth of an ageless sage who is outside of the tale. Frank Berst who posted on this comments page, stated that this narration was done by Frank Herbert, the author of DUNE. I do not mean to contradict him but I would like to see a citation on this as I believe it was performed by a different person. I believe it was done by American actor William Phipps', who passed away just this past June at the ripe old age of 96. This actor may not be well known by name. He had a supporting role in the"The War of the Worlds" (1953). In that movie he was one of the three towns people left as a fire watch at the crater site. Phipps was the actor who said "...Welcome to California", and the character of Leroy in the movie "Crossfire" (1947). I have no citation for this, but I do have a good memory and a facility for recognizing faces, voices, and tonal qualities. I found nothing so far in my search for evidence on this matter. However, on several of these sites, which listed cast members, referred to the narrator as uncredited.
yeah I think making the Butlerian Jihad into a generic man vs machine story dumbs down the whole idea and ignores the point of it all, plus it has nothing to do with the movie itself
irst saw the movie then read the book, and could not get past the second book because it was a bit boring, but then i was told it gets much better. The Original 6 books. Dune, the Best. Spice Must Flow!
Most folks did not understand the Golden path was needed to get humanity to spread out in to the void of space! The Spice kept humanity limited to a few systems, for space access, to spice, even with unlimited space travel humanity was because of their addiction!
@@TerryAllenSwartos I didn't know that. Thanks for the information. I still think he shouldn't have done it to stay true to the book because it made sense. Also - less relevant though - Herbert talked a lot about that the movie should stay true to the book but now he violates it himself.
Or the Swirdmasters of Ginaz... Wait I think I know why, in dune house harkonnen, I think the swordmaster school was badly damaged by house moritani, when its forces attacked the planet. But then let's face it, viscount Hundro Moritani is a real piece of s***, because not only did he do that, he also carpet bombed the Ecazi Palace and its surrounding peninsula, physically destroying the mahogany throne, and then he killed two of archduke Armand's young relatives. Just to name a few things that he did.
So falsch. Die Schwertmeister von Ginaz gab es schon vor Butlers Zeiten, sie gab es später auch noch. Duncan Idaho. Zur Zeit vom Djihad kamen die Bene Gesserit, dann die Mentaten und die Navigatoren
Yes, somewhat true but among the other schools were those that dealt with the Mentats and the Bene Tleilax. They both had far more understood influence than this video gives them credit.
Amazing how much all this reeks after Star War's opening scroll - so many components are there. Aristocracy (Princess Leia etc.), some weird superpower (The Force / expanded consciousness via Spice), strange religious orders, galactic war, suppressed people waiting for a hero (Fremen / The Rebellion)...
omgsolikevalleygirl, if you are not familiar with this, please review--it will affirm and reform how you see everything.. Best regards, J. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero%27s_journey
Yeah, this would be a much better intro. But what I want to know is why in the Star Trek, Star Wars and Dune universes, NO-ONE HAS SOLVED MALE PATTERN BALDNESS!
@@akrasiathekruzmachine2341- So they did away with Thinking Machines AND treatments for baldness!? What an amazingly advanced civilisation that values baldness above the rugged and hirsute....meh, even I'm not buying that crock, let alone a desirable young lady.
Reporter: (in regards to Picard being bald) Surely they would’ve cured baldness by the 24th century.
Gene Roddenberry: By the 24th century they wouldn’t care.
@@ZenCatcher - Yeah, he wasn't bald. Every time the sun hits it, it starts to sizzle. Every time you glance your head against something, it grazes. Everytime you see yourself in a photo you think "Surely I have more hair than that!?" By the 24th century men should have a choice, dammit!
Men dont fear baldness they embrace it. Simpering wimps fear it.
Maybe they elected not to, or also solved male pattern hairyness.
Navigators do *NOT* fold space. The engine drives in the ships do this. The Navigators see a safe path through folded space using their prescient abilities.
And Atreides took Arrakis in 10191, not 10192
Right, makes one wonder if the writers read the book. Of course, condensing the book into a movie can't contain all the details.
Dude, we are on the same point on the political compass.
Exactly, because computers are outlawed.
That’s correct
I remember this version from weekend afternoons on broadcast TV. Like 6 hours long with commercials
Thank you for posting this. It actually explains much of the entire plot of the film and book. It provides a great background of who all the major players are, at least most of them. Worth the time to watch it all. Thanks!
I love the House of Our Colon from Planet G D Prime. Those Auto-Subtitles are awesome.
never tried them, but big lol
.... you mean House Harkonnen? lol . Yes those subtitles do **** sometimes.
OMG that is hilarious. House of Our Colon sounds so much like a parody name of someone on TH-cam.
No caption on mine and unavailable.
@@NyuuMikuru1 th-cam.com/video/z7FcJwg6OkA/w-d-xo.html has the captions. click the cc button next to settings button. the auto generated english caption function can be shall we say not very good. dune 2000 game cinematics, star control orz cinematics. are two examples of baffling caption generations.
This longer version is the only way to watch the movie, the scenes have a natural flow and are allowed to play out. The theatrical version's breakneck speed and abrupt cuts don't give context to a lot of things happening making it very hard to follow. Its actually kind of funny to watch the theatrical version with the average popcorn munching movie goer in mind.
True, this intro would have helped people understand the movie much better, however there is a strong counter argument. 1. This intro would have made the first half of the movie too long for the average movie-goer who came expecting to see an action film. 2. Virginia Madsen (no explanation necessary).
@@dancnkc I think the intro is actually less important than how the rest of the movie is cut. For instance the theatrical version you get a few seconds with Piter then he's drooling all over jessica. I've read the book and even I am thinking "who the hell is this little imp and WTF is going on!?!"
@@dancnkc I guess the real take away is there is only so much to can shorten and dumb down Dune.
Thanks! This was how I first saw Dune, on TV as a 2-night 2-parter with that intro. It made me read the book and then want to see all versions of the movie. I keep hoping for a version with the best from all of them. It's a vastly underappreciated masterpiece.
I think your wish came true with the new 2 part version. The first movie was AWESOME
I heard Lynch is going to rework his dune 😮
As a research historian and now also as a history teacher this intro makes it feel like a real world, a world with a past and excellently contextualizes what is to take place. I saw this intro way back in the 80s on cable, HBO I think, it came in through the snow if you know what I mean, and I always loved it. The one with the Princess always seemed rushed, tacked on, and frankly trying to appeal to some other head than the thinking one.
That opening only makes sense if you have read the books and know that Irulan became a historian. So basically the newbie is left wondering who she is and why she is narrating. Taking them out of the story before it has even started.
@@kiemer4531 I'm speaking of the long prologue that was added to the "special edition"re-release that was added. I am aware of the original opening with the Princess but I always found that inadequate and unimpressive.
I read almost all Dune novels including the many, many prequels. In fact I just finished ''Navigators of Dune'' , taking place about a century after the Butlerian Jihad. It deals more or less with how the Spacing Guild came into existence.
An atrocious and needless addition. All Frank Herbert's son's additions lacked the multifaceted multidimensional quality of the original series. Frank was a cribber extraordinaire:Poonji rice (Caladan's main export) is actually a Myanmar variety. The Mahdi was a 19th century African jihadist scoring spectacular victories against the British Empire;The Sardaukar were clearly SS troop derivatives with their predominantly blonde elites;The Atreides modelled on French Foreign Legionnaires. The Fremen took the nomadic desert strictures governing Bedouin culture, applied Berber blue eyes yet gave them a naivete associated with British Empire African troops in WW2:unheard of resourcefulness, casually dismissive of encounters with hitherto invincible enemy formations...Layered over this is the feudalism of the Houses major/minor balance,with the corporatism emerging in the 19th century East India Company=Choam,and Cunard=Spacing Guild..The Samurai sword fighting benchmark forced by shields repelling projectile weaponry added edge to an anti-tech future where the real transformations impacted off-planet and in micro engineering,eg stillsuits,hunter-seekers&Bene Tleilax genetic liberties clearly reflecting anti Chinese/Japanese fears.
The Americans are represented in the references to the Ixians,Germany=Richesse.
Dune enabled the author to project an ecological necessity threshold where the rigours of the planet nullified technology. Satellites avoided due to secret spice bribery;shields attracting sandworms;lasguns/shield interactions causing nuclear fission explosions. The film needlessly messes up most of this.The Gom Jabbar scene probably an exception except the boy Paul is ridiculously too old.A sean Connery kind of masculinity would have cemented Duke Leto's stature instead of the almost school teacher figure the Fremen grew to respect.
Hopefully the remake will learn from these and many other mistakes.
@@andersonarmstrong2650 so you liked it then!
In the year 10192, the true Emperor of Mankind was working at Vito's pizza.
Not Little Caesar's?😁😁😁
I was at the Dune movie (first run) in 1984. They handed out a sheet to “explain” all of this. This intro is so much better and should have been used. In all fairness, Dune is a complex book, and has too many plots, sub plots, twists, and subtitles (thanks Mr. Herbert) to make a 2 hours movie make sense no matter how much you try.
Did you see the new one? Just wondered if they handled it any better? I still think its too complex for a film or two. A series like Game of Thrones or House of Cards would be great.
@@georgemulford2910 - Yes I did see the new one.
"Did the movie makers do a better job at explaining the Dune book?". Yes, and no. I won't post any spoilers but the story was communicated a bit better since there are 2 new movies (each about 2.5 hours) so the total movie time may be 5 hours. Maybe more time to go into depth.
I do not feel Mentats, and Suk Doctors weren't explained much at all. The viewers had to make some assumptions.
The special effects were fantastic so many visual aspects of Dune were up front center (so to speak).
Bonus: No heart plugs, or weirding modules (opps, is that a spoiler, SORRY!!!).
Nitpicks
1. Never use a laser near a shield
2. We learned to say Harkonnen again (back to 1984).
If you haven't seen it, I recommend it. I saw this in the theater (1st live movie since Feb 2020). Maybe wait for in home streaming or purchase option?
Let me know what you think!
All the best!
I rented this version of Dune from Video Kingdom, vhs and my Mom and watched it together. I love that.
Is a good intro lots of useful info, but i think the one used in the movie has his charm too, for me that one feels more about "things are going to get very bad very soon" in a heartless and strange universe.
Fockin nice.. I like this version, it gives a good overall intro for those unfamiliar with Dune.
Love it....You have to watch the extended version
+Golden Arms
agree, its more complete
Golden Arms agreed it goes into a lot more detail and is a lot easier to follow
Nobody makes movies like Alan Smithee
7:06 onwards to the "spice most flow" line is a cool transition
Nice intro - I heard no mention of the school of Mentats, which to me seems to be an important segment of the Dune Universe.
Also they forgot the Suk Medical School!
They did mention schools in general
they forgot the greatest of them all - the hollywood upstairs medical school
@@joseacosta1354 But they say "Only two of these ancient mental schools remain".
YT Subtitles: "...and the House Our-Colon..."
Me: "No shit?"
Herbert was just a product of his time.
The book was written in the early 60’s and published in 1965.
What was popular then?
-Lawrence of Arabia 1962
-Timothy Leary- psilocybin & LSD
-Classic sci fi (Asimov, Heinlein)
-Atomic energy
-Early computers
It’s an epic adventure, but there are a few flaws
If you cannot see the true depth of Herbert's wisdom then you have missed out.
wharf in ships clothing - Foreign Ambassador
Like I said, it was epic
th-cam.com/video/oI0Cd73lxcw/w-d-xo.html
This makes the lord of the rings intro look brisk! LOL
This really clears things up...
this is a great version and i do love it..but i also love watching the sexy princess naratte the start of the movie....however this longer movie gives the audiance more detail.
The Lynch Dune film always felt a little retro, in a good way. Like a Biblical epic fron the 50s or 60s. The title slide with Prologue absolutely looked like a throwback to old Biblical films.
One of best books n a awesome movie too
1🇺🇲🎴🌅🥷🏾🌅🎴 hello golden faced warriors of the holy bible...I come alone ., my name is kelly scout...
people often criticize this video's production, but I think it's well done. it was originally shown only with network TV broadcasts of Dune to brief the mainstream audiences who'd not read the book. I have early memories of reading the book, of waiting for the network showing of the movie, and watching this prologue with great surprise and interest.
Way better than the theatrical prologue imo
In the past LOTR you couldn't get away with a two part movie. A two part release would have this movie so much better.
It's a mess of theatrical cut of movie with awesome memorable parts that are so quotable. With great acting, unbelievable score, and a great style. The longer versions are great and make it better but still are choppy and rough
It's a shame
Am I the only one who prefers this introduction?
Yes. Yes you are.
Not by a long shot.
Nope, love it. I wish I knew who the narrator was.
For me, like the movie itself, there's what to love and what could have been left out. I like the art of the Bene Gesserit class scene. The studnets look like cat-women.
I'm guessing it was Jack Nance.
The narrator is none other than Frank Herbert himself, the creator of Dune.
And you are an ignorant turd. Look it up. It's common knowledge that it's Frank Herbert himself.
yes it was frank herbert
It sounds nothing like him... th-cam.com/video/26GPaMoeiu4/w-d-xo.html
KashelGladio fight fight fight fight
This lays it out too simple and is good for all the idiots
The space must flow!
This is awesome! Thanks for the upload
you are welcome :)
Love picture of guys beating up robots with sticks
Its clear why that wasn't used in the theatrical release. It repeats itself several times. Also, the part about the robots taking over has nothing to do with the rest of the story.
I don’t know what’s really going on here. I’m so high !
I like this intro. But I feel at the end it drags on a bit, and repeats a lot of things that were already mentioned earlier.
OK, had to put in Dune... just had no other choice. Damn interwebs !
Be prepered This Future is coming
It is here now .. bar the space travel
We know by the company SpaceX!
I know the movie has been unisersally panned but I still enjoy watching the extended version.
This is what I grew up on-not the theatrical.
"Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them."
"'Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man's mind."
"...and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?" (Rev. 13:4)
Well! Now it all makes sense!
For all those saying this is the better intro ~ David Lynch did film a longer version with Virginia Madsen
IMDb link?
Is that the 3h version, more or less?
V'ger th-cam.com/video/M2vZEP5jiaU/w-d-xo.html there are parts of it here - I’m trying to find the full intro still. The documentary basically says the first cut was 4 and a quarter hours, so massive cuts were made including the intro and the whole third act. If I’m find the full intro, I will link it here
After studying science fiction at university, let me say this about Dune. A lecturer said that Dune must be made into a TV series, and NOT a film! That series must have a half hour introduction. Dune is too complex.
Which is why I can't believe anyone would try to "cinematize" the Wheel of Time series, or the Silmarillion.
Dune is the true reality of our existence.
THIS WAS AWESOME... MORE MORE MORE
Very Insparational posting . I own the book series first print. Thank you for this.
I wish there were a version that combined this prologue and Irulan's monologue. For me it's not Lynch's DUNE without Virginia Madsen.
I will never watch this version. I wasn't even here to watch the video. David Lynch's Dune is not a bad movie, but rather a film with flaws and a perfect example of just how unfinished and still a masterpiece in it's own right. David Lynch's vision and directing style is ahead of it's time. When they released this extended TV version, it was not even his work. They had somebody else reconstruct it and saw clips of it and thought it was pitiful. Dune has gotten lots of crap over the gears, but it tried. I resoect David Lynch's vision of Dune now and even more. If only they had let him finish it and had more faith in him. Even he was not happy with the final product.
I'm NOT a Star Wars fan by any means... BUT DUNE.... WOW>>>!!!!
ARIAtheMusical -heavy reading
star wars was heavily inspired by dune even ripped off some stuff without hiding it, they talk about kessel and the spice, they have a man worm on a platform, they have a galactic empire but dune had a universal imperium.
@@YamiPoyo To be fair the spice is mentioned only in some of the expanded universe... I dont think its in the original trilogy.
Wish they mixed intros. Kept princess narration and kept practical effects for house/planetary explanations.
Erasmus and Ominous bold enough to come out of hiding and dislike this. Duncan go get them!
A good intro, but I'm curious about the prospect of introducing this backstory properly with in-film dialogue, rather than an exposition dump.
Thinking machines with human minds.......Transformers Headmasters?!
That woman's expression at 1:42. "The people deteriorated into a state of apathy"... Well, except where fruit bowls were concerned.
You mean single mothers, and the nanny state!
We are playing with A.I., but I hope E.M.P.s can knock them out! But if you go by The Matrix, it did not stop the thinking machines!
Oh, so David Lynch's original version did in fact, include the Butlerian Jihad.
So are the actual spice miners employees of house Atreides, the Choam corporation, or are they employees of a 3rd party subcontractor??? I'm thinking they are subcontractors because they are already extracting spice as soon as the Duke arrives on Arrakis. I suggest that the Atreides family is acting more in a general contractor role. This makes sense to me. I think the scenario plays out something like this: the Harkonens lose their contact, the mining subcontractors give the Choam corporation notice that they will stop production until they see some money. So a settlement is reached between the subcontractors, the harkonen's bonding company, and the Choam corporation picking up whatever debt is left outstanding while Atreides recompensates the Choam corporation once the Atreides family inspects facilities on Arrakis and finds them acceptable. Thusly, production continues uninterrupted through the transition.
Makes sense. I'm sure some of the miners were Fremen too
@@ryan.1990 bro, I don't remember making this comment. I must've been high as fuck trying to rationalize events in a science fiction movie like this in earth terms
The book is a classic and Lynch had managed to make a film that has survived the test of time, but why they had such 💩 paintings over Herbert's narration is beyond me.
It wasn't originally part of the movie but it was put in as a rush job because people not familiar with Herbert's work found the movie confusing
I wish they would just do the whole history in animation, human movies take too long and cost too much! I want to see the whole series done! I have read 90% of all the books! They have done the first book four times now, it is time to move forward in the stories! And I want to know what happened to Varion Atreides, after he left for deep space! He might actually still be alive!
I think some of these illustrations were used in the pop-up book of the movie.
In the 1984 movie release the script reads “Know then the it is the year 10,191.” Y the change?
This was hilarious first time- "Get to the fucking point!"
The spice is LSD...
I don't have anything against this long prologue - my only objection would be that Freddie Jones and not Virginia Madsen is speaking it. In the first three books, many of the chapters are preceded by what are purported to be excerpts from historical books and Irulan wrote - Irulan is practically the narrator of the story at least in its beginnings, or she provides a critical voice about Paul as a ruler that is confirmed by the story we are told.
I always hated this opening compared to the one with Princess Irulan presenting the prologue.
There were more than two schools still in existence also.
The Mentat training school, the Face Dancer training school, and the Ginaz school of Swordmastery still existed; else Scytale (Face Dancer conspiritor against Paul Maud'ib), Piter De Vries (Twisted Mentat of the Harkonens), Duncan Idaho (Ginaz Swordmaster), and Thuffir Hawat (Atreides Family Mentat and Master of Assassins), could not have existed.
Nor would Paul Maud'ib himself, have been able to be subject of the secretive and aimed at the unconscious mind initial stages of Mentat training in his own right; or been able to continue the conscious Mentat training at his own choice on being made aware of the prior.
The Irulan opening is great.
who did the voice of this . was it herbert?
1984 [Based off novel published in 1965]
I still prefer the reading voice of a woman, but if this text had been used, it wouldn't have been necessary to use so much thought narration which, like the original cut of Bladerunner, resulted in an awkward script. Thanks for posting!
Still can’t figure the time machine. 800k years in future there is telepathy? How? Wishing real hard?
They should be able to synthesise the spice, surely, with their advanced technology.
What technology? The Butlerian Jihad had prohibited the creation of thinking machines. The movie disregards that.
In the books this a actual plot poibt😁
No Jess, your not. This is by far the better of the two. Not to take anything away from Virginia Madsen, who is an excellent actress, but the original narration voice work was the better of the two. His voice was full of the depth of an ageless sage who is outside of the tale.
Frank Berst who posted on this comments page, stated that this narration was done by Frank Herbert, the author of DUNE. I do not mean to contradict him but I would like to see a citation on this as I believe it was performed by a different person. I believe it was done by American actor William Phipps', who passed away just this past June at the ripe old age of 96.
This actor may not be well known by name. He had a supporting role in the"The War of the Worlds" (1953). In that movie he was one of the three towns people left as a fire watch at the crater site. Phipps was the actor who said "...Welcome to California", and the character of Leroy in the movie "Crossfire" (1947). I have no citation for this, but I do have a good memory and a facility for recognizing faces, voices, and tonal qualities. I found nothing so far in my search for evidence on this matter. However, on several of these sites, which listed cast members, referred to the narrator as uncredited.
Ah. Now things are more clear.
yeah I think making the Butlerian Jihad into a generic man vs machine story dumbs down the whole idea and ignores the point of it all, plus it has nothing to do with the movie itself
This prolog is great for the information. But shit because of the execution shame.
I kinda believe this (not exactly like this, but in general views: humans living in space, robots, etc.) will happen in a future, maybe 2080.
I reckon maybe 2081 ,Oswaldtwistle anyone
I remember a version where it is 4000 years not 6000 when Omnious falls...
Do you know more about it, that you can share?
If I remember correctly, the cyborg Titans ruled from 4000 to 6000 then they erred by giving Omnious too much control...
irst saw the movie then read the book, and could not get past the second book because it was a bit boring, but then i was told it gets much better. The Original 6 books. Dune, the Best. Spice Must Flow!
Most folks did not understand the Golden path was needed to get humanity to spread out in to the void of space! The Spice kept humanity limited to a few systems, for space access, to spice, even with unlimited space travel humanity was because of their addiction!
I'm afraid the new one is going to suck... bug I hope not ⛩🗡🗝🎭
Male pattern baldness? *Yawns* hasn't anyone ever thought that two heads were better than one? Women just love it.
Now the other existing school…
Why is this intro made when in the books princess Irulan was declared the story teller?
Freethinking Влади́мир Because it’s the voice of Frank Herbert.
@@TerryAllenSwartos I didn't know that. Thanks for the information. I still think he shouldn't have done it to stay true to the book because it made sense. Also - less relevant though - Herbert talked a lot about that the movie should stay true to the book but now he violates it himself.
TerryAllenSwartos WOW, that is great!
Wonder why the suk docs or mentats weren't mentioned?
Or the Swirdmasters of Ginaz... Wait I think I know why, in dune house harkonnen, I think the swordmaster school was badly damaged by house moritani, when its forces attacked the planet. But then let's face it, viscount Hundro Moritani is a real piece of s***, because not only did he do that, he also carpet bombed the Ecazi Palace and its surrounding peninsula, physically destroying the mahogany throne, and then he killed two of archduke Armand's young relatives. Just to name a few things that he did.
1🇺🇲🥷🏾🌙 God!?!?
So falsch. Die Schwertmeister von Ginaz gab es schon vor Butlers Zeiten, sie gab es später auch noch. Duncan Idaho. Zur Zeit vom Djihad kamen die Bene Gesserit, dann die Mentaten und die Navigatoren
so they went from being slaves - to overthrowing the machines ...............only to end up being ruled in a feudal system? that makes sense
Made for TV. To extend commercial time
So where'd the spice come from that turns The navigators so they can find the planet that has the spice?
The spice was always only found on Arrakis, and space travel existed before the creation of the Guild and their ability to fold space.
The Matrix film could be a prequel of sorts.
Yes, somewhat true but among the other schools were those that dealt with the Mentats and the Bene Tleilax. They both had far more understood influence than this video gives them
credit.
Bene Teleiax are not a mental training school and Mentat origins predate the Butlerian Jihad
So this movie is about nothing more then power play. A sort of game of thrones if you will.
A power play is the setting that gives rise to the plot of the book, and the subsequent novels that followed.
Isn't melange also another word for fruit salad?
Mélange can be a mixture of just about anything, especially incongruous components. It can apply to either fruits or vegetables.
The spice is....
Ayahuasca.
This prologue adds little to nothing to Lynch's film other than padding out the run time. The narrator sounds like George Carlin.
love this film, its feelin, atmosphere, its epicness. this version is ok but was really unneeded. didnt bring anything needed to the film
ZeNex74, too many it brought historical reasoning, if that's of no interest to you that just means you're not a mentat.
Is George Carlin talking?
Thanks
so why house atreides and house harkonens are enemies ? i mean sure, one of them are ginger hairs bad guys so .... owh never mind, it makes sense.
Amazing how much all this reeks after Star War's opening scroll - so many components are there. Aristocracy (Princess Leia etc.), some weird superpower (The Force / expanded consciousness via Spice), strange religious orders, galactic war, suppressed people waiting for a hero (Fremen / The Rebellion)...
You realize Dune was written before Star Wars, right?
Thanks for getting what I'm saying. :) It just never really struck me how many similar components there are until now.
Han Solo was actually smuggling spice.
Michael Morris the kessel spice mines
omgsolikevalleygirl, if you are not familiar with this, please review--it will affirm and reform how you see everything.. Best regards, J. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero%27s_journey
Is that optimus prime?