I tried to print LICORICE.
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In this video I try to 3D print licorice laces (dropveters) with the extruder I designed. It managed to print the worlds most flexible filament, so I decided to step it up a notch!
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:27 Start trying
2:47 Experimental idea
3:52 Bee roll
4:22 Squarespace
5:21 Testing the idea
7:02 Optimizing the extruder
8:07 Cheating
8:33 What to take away from this? - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
This is a typical example of a project that was doomed to fail. In the past I never attempted to start an idea like this at all or quit too early because I felt stupid trying it anyway. With 3D printing you can afford failed attempts and these turned out to be very valuable to me. Keep on experimenting guys!
Amen to that! Keep iterating! But know when it may be time to dial it back some lol.
"The difference between screwing around and science is writing it down. "
Id say documenting it on video is just as good as writing it down!
Brilliant! At first I thought this was an April fool's video I had missed.
Disclaimer: I know very little about 3D printing and materials science; but I do love licorice. (As do most Danes.)
Anyway. Other comments have been mentioning the melting point of sugar, and suggesting even higher temperatures. I think this is missing an important property of licorice laces. Candies are generally divided into two categories: hard and soft. Hard candies are mostly sugar in a crystalline form with flavoring, very hard and brittle. This includes caramelised sugar. To make soft candy, you have to mix in water. To prevent the moist result from being a sticky mess, binder additives are added, such as gum arabic, gelatin, and flour or starch. Controlling the water content is essential for getting the correct softness. The French cooking guy Alex has some videos where he attempts making dried pasta, which is just wheat flour and water. It is probably a similar process that is used in manufacturing licorice. Starting out with a very soft paste of higher water content, then extruding the lace and immediately drying it down to the final water content level and then coating with wax to prevent it from drying further until consumption.
By heating it beyond 100°C you simply dry it out more, making it a hard and brittle substance, like a dry and crumbling cake. You either have to start with the "wet" paste and calibrate the heating process to dry it to the right water content, or just above and then "harden" the finished print in an oven. Or use a candy that is more thermoplastic, either by using something different (soft caramel might work), or by somehow _adding_ water to the licorice to make it softer. And it is probably completely counterproductive to heat it beyond 100°C. For hair removal, there is a method called "sugaring or sugar waxing", which basically uses a lump of caramel with just enough moisture to be kneaded like a dough and stick just enough when heated to 45-50°C I guess. (Fairly hot, but not too hot to handle or apply to the skin.) My guess is that this could be in the ballpark of working temperature for licorice paste also. Thermoplasticising may be easier with fat-based confectionary like chocolate, but chocolate of course isn't elastic, it just becomes liquid when heated, and will act more like a resin.
Hey man, here's an idea for you! If you manage to pull it off, you'll revolutionize 3d printing industry.
Make an extruder that would use chopped up plastic (old prints or plastic bottles perhaps) instead of filament. I imagine there would be a small container that would hold a small amount of molten plastic, and a "piston" of some sort that would regulate the pressure inside it. It really would be a game changer, plus it would help to recycle
I believe that's usually called a 'pellet extruder', and it was researched a bit back before premade filament got down in price to rival industrial plastic pellet sacks, but it would be lovely to see a practical one made with modern technology, with an explicit view towards using shredded plastic scraps. A good, cheap, open-source pellet extruder or other means of using home-recycled feedstock would be a game changer, as plastic recycling becomes far less effective the further from the original point of use it's taken. I have a few waste streams (3D printing scraps, some household containers, etc.) of clean plastic of known composition that cannot be commercially recycled, and I really feel obligated to hoard them until I can do SOMETHING with them because I'm aware of how problematic they are to simply throw away.
Perhaps a stationary system crushing and melting pellets into a stream that acts like a relatively imprecise filament making machine, pulled through a reverse-Bowden mechanism by a more traditional extruder next to the hot end, with diameter sensing used both to regulate the feeder and compensate for inconsistencies with volumetric-extrusion firmware?
Really, just making an extruder/diameter sensing/volumetric-extrusion system that's extremely tolerant of out-of-round and out-of-diameter filaments would vastly decrease the quality required in home filament making, potentially allowing a traditional filament maker to be made more cheaply and reliably.
OMG it was licorice! you are a freaking mad lad!
Great progress! Keep it up! I know this frustration, going through it myself on a project! There is light at the end of the tunnel, now let's hope it is not another train coming right at us LOL
I feel like this is a challenge now; SOMEONE has to do it.
Seems frustrating as hell, and mostly useless short of bragging rights, so 100% valid in moving on.
(Currently struggling to put a 3D Printer Kit together myself, let alone *design a custom extruder* ! )
Definitely useful. Who doesn’t want there own licorice benchy? Lol.
I love your design and your efforts! I just subscribed and interested in what you come up with for the future! Something I thought about today and something you might want to explore, is methods to save electricity when using your FDM printer. Maybe you can come up with a battery powered from solar to directly powers the printer components, change the heating elements out for something more efficient, experiment with enclosures and see if you can save by storing heat, etc. If anyone can figure it out, I believe you can!
That extruder design looks awesome. Will probably make one myself
Love your videos man! Always interesting!
Great video, love the experiments!
Ever since I got my 3D printer, I have wondered the same thing about "Strawberry Bootlaces". They seem like they'd have the right physical properties. But I've never dared to try it.
Nice work, keep going you mad lad!
Jon,
try Haribo Lakritzschnecken. At least, they nicely split in two seperate strings! If that fails, you may consider (guess what? )
Kartoffelsalat
or
Bratwurst! 😁
Both will not be suitable for extruding but you knew that with licorice in the first place!
Keep on trying!
To extrude Bratwurst, you'll need a "beefy" extruder🤣
@@properprinting only for Rindsbratwurst! 😜
Success or fail makes no difference to me, I'm here to enjoy the show. Thanks for all the wonderful edutainment. Sorry I missed you at MRRF022.
I just love your videos ,even stupid or not ,it's just so awesome ❤️ love your ideas ,the crazier the better
It almost looks like you weren't hot enough when it was extruding with it coming out the sides. It looked like it was sheering the outside layer of the licorice to force it through hole like a reamer. I would suspect your temp should be closer to 185 C since that's what sugar melts at
It'll separate at too high temps, the problem is that its like a mass of different things
As I'm Dutch, and love licorice, I had high hopes for this, I'm sure you'll think of a working solution some day!
Definitely! I'm not a quitter ;)
Thank you for your great work ;)
We're sorry to put you through the pain and effort, but in the end we are glad we did!
Me too, no pain no gain!
This is why the internet exists. I'm seriously thankful you gave this a shot!
Oh wow, it's a great idea! Just like the Rim... You'll succeed
perhaps you could get the licorice out of the ptfe tube using traditional filament and a Bowden extruder where the regular filament, with a flat end would act as a piston.
great conclusion! "stupid" ideas is right path to experience and new ideas, Thanks for this instructive idea! 👏
Great experiment and I love your approach towards devopment!
Funny thing i thought i would mention:
My uncle actually extrude silicone hoses and plastics with an old extruding pellet machine, He has also made licorice with this machine with he's own recipe! maybe you'll need to have the licorice filament in a "raw liqorice"-state before it heats up and solidifies/crystalize?
Interesting thought. I've read that if you stay below 135°C it should go well. I went to 140 and you already could see an uneven extrusion. I think that with another approach this should be doable!
@@properprinting Yeah, those bubbles at 140 C is a warning. Just tune down until gone? Kinda like for PLA? :)
this is perfect, i seen the tweet where you went to the appie for the drop and they where in the bonus :P
I love the concept. I think freezing the licorice with liquid nitrogen would add a lot of fun to the video and maybe make it work better
Nice try !
Thx for sharing !
I love your videos, so authentic and it's so good to see that not every idea works out (but it's still worth trying :) )
(PS: the rolls used to be separatable, I have many childhood memories of that, and how are they supposed to be eaten if not separated ^^)
Hi Jón this is Andres from Peru, we met at MRRF this year, now I can confirm you DO like licorice, greetings from Peru and keep up doing this crazy content!!
Aditiva 3D! It was great meeting you! Every Dutch guy likes licorice😉
love licorice, never had the salted kind, will have to try it. not a fan of salted caramel, but it would probably go with licorice better.
"we choose to do these things... Not because they are easy, but because they are hard '
I love double salt licorice!
Your approach is great my Holland friend. You should have different goal though, like improving that extruder of yours in general. Printing with 0,6mm and 0,4mm Nozze (.6 for course infill and .4 for fine details) or creating a water cooler with an Alphacool Eisbaer ... something like that =)
Very nice
Bowden tubing is also used in pneumatik actuaters
Prakties en lekker
what if you cool the licorice down before inserting it? will it not get stiffer and not break so easy
Liked for the bee roll joke 😅 Great job, keep it up!
Is there a bigger nozzle you can try? It seemed to roll ok through the system without the nozzle?
Sehr sehr geil! Die Idee is super Interresant! Leider hat man mal Rückschläge! Aber du machst das genau richtig! Man lernt solange bis alle Finger gleich lang sind! Weiter so!!!
Here you are answering the questions no one knew they needed to ask.
By the way, here in Australia we have a children's birthday cake book (the woman's weekly birthday cake book.. it's a classic..) that is rather liberal with licorice to make up the decorations.. pretty sure it was to teach kids not to trust cakes by having licorice booby traps in amongst the sugar..
I guess this is the optimal situation where the phrase "failure is always an option" makes the best sense. It seemed plausible under perfect conditions (or maybe with a significant amount of alcohol), but perfect is probably not something easily achieved in something like this. At least you got some ideas out of it.
Jon, this is different idea to running though a standard i3 style printer as your doing.
Try an extruder that works like a concrete pump. Using gravity initially to feed the drups in a hopper that goes to a pump head. Then you can control flow rate without risk of blowing out of gaps etc.
I guess a pellet extruder would work… but where’s the fun in that….
If you can design and print a small (screw extruder) using resin 3d printer, It may help to print many other materials too.
American here. I love licorice.
try Djungelvrål, in a pelletextruder... thanks for trying
screw extruder might work. similar to those used in pellet extruders.
this reminds me of the drop from the old days at grandmas which was harder and which i sometimes put in the microwave to soften
Does licorice nicely melts at all? Or just desintegrates due to the heat, and gets lumpy like scrambled eggs
Hope you might give it another attempt.
Even failure is a result, its up to you to remain positive. Way to think outside the box
wonder if keepin the licorice in the fridge for a bit first would help
Licorice laces =)) Probably the dutchest thing ever.
So underrated
O ja heerlijk meneer drop is erg lekker. Ik woon in Deerfield Wisconsin, nu ga ik ook veeter drop printen😏🤣
Did you try a 1mm nozzle for less pressure?
You should try these experiments with nozzle size greater than .4mm
use a heated screw extruder, similar to injection molding
May have been pertinent to measure if it has a melting point that is usable on the 3D printer. I know the extruder grip problem, had to use an idler assembly for the soft TPU I have that I can back tension way off to where it has almost a feather light bite into the filament.
I don't think it has a melting point as such. Its multiple melting points materials mushed together more like i think, some of which contain water
Wow that is super cool? Where did u find that heater core at? Interesting
Thanks. This ring heater is part of the OmniaDrop and you can buy the heater separately www.dropeffect.com/store
I think this would work well with one of those screw extruders. I bet there's a lot of potential for candy printing that way, with this sort of meltable gummy candy at least. Is licorice the only soft candy that melts?
My thought as well!
Can you do multi color printing, though?
The videotitle was all you had to know, in order to figure out who posted this masterpiece!
what nozzle diameter was that? How about starting with a bigger one?
Maybe bicycle pump can do it with a bicycle Valve and some fittings from old bicicle tube.
i don't like licorice...
but you could try cutting the licorice to pieces and use a palette extruder(auger driven), either on your hotend or to extrude filament from it...
that way you could also try different licorice brands, to see if they have different printing properties (hardness, temperature, etc.)
might be worth a try
Would it be worth trying this with red liquorice laces? (they aren't actually liquorice) as they are a bit tougher than actual liquorice and may be able to through without breaking and gumming up. Might be worth considering? Great videos by the way, I've just discovered your videos, greetings from the UK!
Whahah! Nice work man! But eh... Liquorice printing part 2: Pellet extruder!
I did some experiments with a pellet extruder and flexibles and it worked really well. I can't imagine it not working with liquorice.
Ene, je doet echt gare shit! Heerlijk om van te genieten dus houd er vooral niet mee op!
love the classic old kitchen, perfect place to drink beers with friends and make borrelhapjes
I like licorice
should have tried to put the licorice tube in the output of a bowden machine, then used filament (plastic) on the extruder to push the licorice out of the tube
Needs more pressssurreeeeeeeee
hm... Did you try the omnia drop? Maybe a heated "paste extruder" could work for licorice. Anyways, looking forward to the next video ;)
The name would be perfect! The problem is the diameter of 2.85mm and I don't want to get all the gunk in that extruder😅
I wonder if you could use a heated flask with the licorice inside it that was pressured with air than a solenoid valve before the heated nozzle to print it. the air pressure would control the flow rate. Similar to a jewellery wax injector
Now I'm wondering if this approach would work with the peristaltic pump I designed in my last video🤔
@@properprinting would get pretty hot but what could go wrong !!
@@Josef1cnc 🤷♂
Whatcha doing today, dude?
Oh not much just chilling by the oven waiting for my tubing so I can 3d print licorice
Maybe corn starch for a lubricant for the 'filament'
Now the liquorice runout sensor
Man ! everybody knows that mozzarella works better than Licorice Laces for 3d printing ! :D
Years ago they had more sugar content and used to pull like cable, less sugar content and are now less "tactile "
I work in a food factory and last time some ask if it is positive to print with are products. So send info about food and it will come out soon. Mabye also need call lookoloop
o Zé Neto e Cristiano tá diferente. manja muito de impressora 3D.
Idea: instead of a filament extruder, use a screw feed as if you’re feeding plastic pellets into an injection moulding machine?
Ah yes, drop. It's very funny that acquired tastes are so "black and white" basically. If you didn't learn to like it, it's disgusting. :) I love some dubbel zout, could find it in Sweden and Denmark as well, but when I moved to New Zealand, man was I missing it. I found 1 little, old bag in a shop, meant for the Dutch that moved there in the 50's. hahaha Super original to 3D print it, but hey, it's what I'm almost expecting now in these videos.
Maybe you can get it out of the teflon tube with compressed air.
It's baked solid. I tried pushing it with filament and if you convert this back to the needed air pressure, the tube will rupture. Well, you do get it out this way😆
Pin for fellow Dutch speaking 3d printing experimenting person?(maybe use dual belts on the feeding mechanism)
1:25 "I couldn't find a datasheet on this" at first I thought it was a joke, but then the "so I don't know the shore hardness or the melting point" and now I'm not so sure 🤷
Maybe try melting it to more of a liquid goo in a container and extrude like you did the water
the haribo ones can be stripped apart
ik denk dat je hiermee wel heb beweze dat een drop printer mogelijk is, ik denk dat het grootste probleem de extrusion en het pad van extruder naar hotend. Mischien zou het mogelijk zijn met een van die chocolade printers of andere voedsel printers als je er aan sleutelt
My take away is I need some dubbel zout coins. Best thing is no one steals my licorice :D
I know it's not really important info, but in german we call the rolls "Lakritz-Schnecken", or licorice snails, which imho perfectly describes the taste (I'm joking, of course; real snails taste way better :P)
Also, while it might sound like a stupid idea, it's not that far in the past that people would have laughed at you if you proposed the idea of turning corn into plastic, and yet here we are, PLA being the most common filament we use ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ What I mean to say is, just because it sounds ridiculous, that alone shouldn't be the reason not to try something, y'know.
I couldn't have said it better, awesome comment! Now I have to try snails😆
a first, 3D printing licorice :D
Maby this is a job for a pellet extruder?
I'm going to do a recap on this one ;)
@@properprinting Cant wait! love your videos! Just got a cheap used ender 3 Pro that will need to try the belt extruder mod :D
Ohh and you remember right, about the roles! i belive the one haribo make still can be split ;)
Not to give you a terrible idea... But if you create a vat that holds the licorice and heats it until it's liquid form... Then you pressurize that vat to push it out of the nozzle... Similar to your SLA paste FDM printing really... Maybe you could print licorice and any candy. ;)
Briljante content 😂
The most delicious of failures! I wouldn't even be mad lol
Here's a stupid idea: to print with sugar.
Sugar has a melting temperature of around 190 - 200 degrees.
Surely you can find a solution to feed the print head with sugar. you are the most inventive and creative 🧠 youtuber I have followed. How hard can it be? A system with a worm 🪱, a lot of sweat, nerves and frustrations, but it will surely work.
It's like printing with pellets and you will get very sweet prints. 🍬🍬
Should have used salmiakki
Best yuro licorice
The licorice has been extruded before you got it. It went through the process to obtain that shape. What you need to do is start with the raw material that the manufacture used in order to create the extruded result they deliver.
Filament is too😉
Omnia drop 🤣
Misschien had het toch ‘topdrop’ moeten zijn haha