How To Fitt Door Trims, Architraves & Skirting Boards
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Part 2 of our 3-part series on door fitting, framing, lining & skirting. Robin has moved on to the door trims, architraves and skirting baseboard. As usual, he has his own methods for getting it all in neatly.
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I've been building for over 30yrs , and my motto has always been if you know everything you can't learn anything , and today I learnt a new trick trick again to improve my customers results . Thank you
They are skills not tricks. A trick is to rewind the odometer of a car.
rimmersbryggeri I would also say it’s a skill spot a car that’s been clocked 🤣 Great channel I learn skills every video.
@@jfmotorsnorthwestltd3636 Yes that is a skill but clocing it is a trick. I think its important to use the right terminology so as to not sound like hacks when we aren't. This video was relly good. The dor linging one was marginally useful to me since the ones we use in sweden are totally different but still a very good instruction all the same.
rimmersbryggeri not saying that we do it, but the fellas that do it call it “adapting”. The scary thing is it’s not illegal in the uk to do it, but for us as dealers it illegal to sell a car that has been adapted. So we have to have are wits about us...
@@rimmersbryggeri I think we use trick in a loose way as in "You can't teach an old dog new tricks". Everyone understands the metaphorical use of dog and trick. Also that idea of creating a scribe piece rather than running up the back of the mitre saw cut is a trick in my book.
Top tip : When using Mitre Bond (super glue and activator spray), allow the activator spray to "flash off" (appear dry) before offering up the glued side. Works quicker and results in a stronger joint. Too much activator causes the glue to cure before it's had chance to bond into the surface.
Enjoyed every minute of it. Done my apprenticeship 40 yrs ago everything by hand teaches you the right way. Craftsmen at work.
For once i was impressed with a youtube video on joinery. I'd been some 36 years as a joiner and you have virtually mirrored how I work
When I did my 3 years at building college as a carpenter joiner we never learned how to do the scrap scribe trick. We were shown how to do it square only, thus it never allowed for the walls or floors out of plumb level etc.....Obviously in college the walls had to be square and plumb. Not till working with other experienced carpenters on jobs did I learn this trick. Well done Robin and Roger. Really enjoying the videos and pod casts. Keep up the good work and thank you.
Absolute Gold once again.
If i could go back in time 10 years i would be roaming the sites of South London to pester Robin until he gave me an apprenticeship.
Thank goodness for youtube
I've seen a load of skirting vids and this probably has to be the best one I've seen so far.
What a performance. Love every second. As an apprentice 1979, I was blessed to have been taught si.ilar techniques by a master choppy. You make it look so easy, precise and thoroughly skilful.
I hire myself out as a chippy and I am not too shabby... But I am always a little in awe of Robin. #craftsman.
Good tips mate. Nice to see you mentioned about hiding the scribes from view on the back wall 👍
Looking at the comments here.
I and every housing joiner I know must be absolutely amazing because as good as this guy is this is nothing like we do it day in day out on the sites.
Lol i bet 😀
Perfect timing, I'm just redoing my house and it's amazing the little tips I've picked up here. There's been a couple of really handy tips I've put to good use off Roger too (fixing a leaking stopcock). Thanks again guys for another basic but informative video. 👍👍
I have been a joiner 25 years plus and I have ever seen architrave curtain like that before I always fit my head first then both sides are fitted individually but every day's a school day...... all the best lad
Robins a good carpenter. It’s really great to see others approach to the same job . It’s an eye opener.
I’ve been at it for just over 20 years . I prefer to hang the doors before the architrave and skirting . To avoid any bother from the knuckle of the hinge and have a nice gap from it .
Also I typically ‘chase’ the architrave around from hinge side first then top etc . As normally something will be slightly out and can work from one mitre at a time.
Great videos
I agree, Robin is great, better carpenter than me but I'd hang the door first too. Then architrave and skirting
@@michealbreathnach2928 i always go oversize on casings then bar them back to save planing the door before any architraves go on.
Nothing more satisfying than getting your scribed joints bang on. Great video Robin
Greetings from Western Australia mate, I’m originally from Coventry but really enjoy your channel.Still 20 years behind here. Double Glazing is slowly taking off 🤣🤣
2:13: "so, the simple trick is, to mark all of your linings up, so they need to be ... 9 millimetres which is this much. I know it's that much because I just know." :)
He does know - and so do I! I can mark common used measurements by eye all day long, the same as I can look at a thread and tell you if it's UNF, AF, UNC, Whitworth, Metric fine or coarse etc. It's called experience!
Excellent instructional video with great looking results. I’d always wondered about the scribing aspects - this has helped a lot. In Australia, we typically leave approximately 10mm gap below the skirting to allow the carpet edge to tuck under the skirting boards. Thank you. Cheers. Jeff
Spot on especially scribing the internal corners. Not too sure about gluing the architrave mitres first though. One thing I do especially if the skirting is the same thickness as the architrave is to take a chamfer of the end of the skirting board as the two never line up perfectly. I was always told " If you cant hide a joint then show it".
You have some good techniques my friend. I love the fact you are not a name brand junky. I do much research before I buy a tool. I have Milwaukee, Makitia, DeWalt. Bosh and many more. Each brand has it's special quality. From one tradesman to another, you make good quality workmanship. ;)
I'm currently renovating my house from bare framing and this is the perfect channel for me. Awesome mate
Please bring more like this guys. It really is a joy to watch.
Really enjoy your work. I designed a house 15years aga and just finishing the patio now with my parents moved in. Now renovation the main house, total ballache and easy to get down and phisically broken. Your way of presenting make me think it still possible in the dark moments. Thank you for this.
J
You can tell Robin takes great pride in his work.
Outstanding demonstration and loads of really useful tips, perfectly presented by a highly skilled expert. Thanks for taking the time to put together this exemplary series.
Unreal skills. Best carpenter on TH-cam. I'd probably have to take a week off work to do one room xD
I’m about to renovate our lounge and will be putting in a new door lining, door, architrave and skirting. The 3 videos you’ve produced will be so helpful for this project. Your explanations and attention to detail throughout the whole process is a pleasure to watch. I’m an average DIYer who strives for perfection in all that I do. If I can hone a fraction of your carpentry skills I’d be a very happy man. Thank you for the vid, excellent.
Excellent demonstration of true craftsmanship.
It truly is a pleasure watching, and learning, from someone who is passionate about their work. It is easy to tell because when Robin explains how to do a task... Robin explains why you need to be doing the task in that particular way.
First time anyone explained why they do the scribe. Very nice video.
Roger and Robin. Great team. Superb video as usual
Hi Robin. Another fantastic informative video from the team. Learned so much especially the way you made a scribe template. Didn’t realise Pink Grip skinned over so quick. Looking forward to the next in the series.
The solvent based pinkgrip skins over in seconds, it's a very over rated product in my opinion. Our managers order it because they think it sets strong but when you are only sticking it to a plaster on a board the skim coat is the weak link anyway. Normal silicone is nice to use on dry surfaces as long as you are careful with it cos doesn't take paint.
Excellent tutorial and exactly how I see it done on site in the UK, I used to fit Herculite skirting, no nails, no screws, no scribing, no mitres and no grab adhesive, harder than MDF and softwood and no filling or caulking for the painter and a lot faster, but certainly not cheaper, and only really used these days when a rather large and fancy skirting board is required. enjoyed watching this. very neat work.
The amazing thing is, I've never done anything remotely like this and I followed every word.
Thanks Mark
Hi Robin, excellent video as per normal. I always use Collins MTC spring clips on all my mitres - give them a look, one of the best buys you can make. I also use Insta stick foam adhesive on my skirting, goes off really quickly and won't budge. I once stuck an oak door lining & solid oak door into a flint opening (no mechanical fixings) and it's still hanging today 👍👍
Great video - I can recommend Stixall grab adhesive as it doesn't skin over like Gripfill does, really good stuff.
Very timely! - This week's job was replacing the skirting in the lounge after I had moved some radiators. I knew about scribed corners but hadn't made a scribed template before. Top Tip - worked perfectly. If I could upload a pic if I would. Thanks Robin! (more like these please).
I use the side of my rule on the trisquare, it’s around 10mm’s it also allows me to square the corners of the Archi. Keep up the great vids. All the best chris c
Excellent videos really enjoy Robin's stuff truly skilled carpenter.
It's great to go into work and act like iv done this for years .
A book would be good , a DVD course would be better , a online would be awesome . With the skill builder certification .
Robin another top video mate! I’m a Spark by trade and am always envious of Carpenters and they way the can work with wood, it’s a real skill and you make it look effortless which is the real hard part! Keep up the good work fella
Done a few dodgy mitres before, for the first time I have got them right,, brilliant instuctional video, thank you
Brilliant video, will have to make a scribe template next time I do some skirting boards great little tip that!
Hi robin , on new build I just used clear silicone instead of panel adhesive and kicked concrete block up to the face every 3 ft . It squared it up at same time , caulked it all next day . Didn’t like using the paslode on it really . Great video mate . Terry up north
Really useful series thanks. I’m diversifying again after coronavirus, got some door linings, doors and trim to fit in a few days after not doing any for years! This is great for brushing up on best practice.
Good to see another joiner using a roofers estwing, the claw is perfect.
You do a few things a little different to me, always good to see good workmanship, keep up the hard work guys
Feel fortunate to have stumbled upon this channel. You are awesome. A natural teacher, imparting knowledge born of vast experience. Great tips and techniques enabling a top quality job done to be done methodically and efficiently.👍👍 cheers from down under.🦘
I love to watch and learn from you guys. I couldn’t quite catch all the words of wisdom that Robin wished to share due to sound recording issues...
It’s a joy to watch you work
Loving the scribe template idea. Going to try this at work tomorrow. :) Thanks for all the great content. Loving this Chanel.
Thanks mate. I have some second fix coming up. I've never used your method before but I will be trying it soon.
Was a revelation when I discovered about cutting a mitre to get my scribe right... before that I was always trying to scribe the profile from another bit of skirting.... which takes allot longer!!
I also try to leave a 1mm gap under skirting so decorators can slide a paint guard under when they paint. Makes their job much easier 👍
Just how we do it down under, nice work.
Yet another school day thanks robin
I do all mine exactly as you do yours with one exception. I have a round file I use just to tidy the scibe at the top ;-). Also pink grip sucks for timber to plasterboard, try nemesis mighty grab. Much better imho
Many thanks. Especially helpful for people like me who are self-taught. The template is something I'd like to try out as I presently do a first cut then offer up, run a pencil-line parrelel and then recut to my scribed line.
Perfect timing, I'm just starting this job. Many thanks for the advice.
Absolutely brilliant loved every minute of this production great work well done 👍🏻
If I'm not mistaken electrics can be put 150mm from any corner or edge I.e internal external from ceiling from floor horizontal and vertical so always best to check with a volt pen before putting screws nails in these areas.
Thank you I have learnt a good method for putting frames on now.
Yep, if you look at the safe zones (e.g www.diydoctor.org.uk/projects/electrical-safe-zones.htm) they can be sneakily hidden in quite a few places. Have to say, when I did my house I tried REALLY hard to keep them inline with the boxes because IMHO you're just asking for trouble
Not sure a volt pen is the best way to pick up buried cables. You need something better.
‘Volt pen’ definitely isn’t suitable to locate in wall cables - it’s only to detect if a cable is ‘live’ in very close proximity. You would need a type of ‘stud detector’ with a function of electric cables detection.
Great tutorial. 👍 Couldn't help noticing that your pencil mark for the architrave was 8.97mm in though, and not 9mm as you stated. 😉
That was for expansion.
Great pod I always hang my door's first before putting on any trim very often it was a different carpenter who put in the frames or any swelling on the frames can be sorted out 🤟☘️
I marvel at the tips and tricks a lot of us can still pick up after years at it.👍
I also marvel at the mentality of a significant minority of commenters who watch videos on a channel called "Skill Builder", only to pick up on perceived (to them only) negatives. It's clear Roger and Robin are at the top of their games but also not too proud to reveal mistakes etc., which happen to everyone at several points in a career.
Strangely these experts never link to a video on their channel showing us how much better or efficient their methods and craftsmanship are.🤔
Someone below posted a method criticising the use of two hand tools to get the job done. Their description of measuring, taking the MDF to a chopsaw, chopping half the scribe, then resetting a new bevel angle to ease the cut, then getting a jigsaw to finish the cope. Fuck me, Robin had it done quicker than the time it took to read their way. 🤡
Keep up the good work Team Skill Builder, you can see the majority appreciate your efforts. Don't waste too much time defending yourself against fuckwits, we know where the real skills are to be found.🤘🤘
Scribing, great bit of detail and skill. Would be great to a video on the same skill for kitchen cabinet end panels?? How about it gents??
My tip is to use a router to run a rebate in the back of the panel, about 15mm wide and leaving only about 5mm of thickness, this makes it a lot easier to scribe as you have less material to remove (5mm as opposed to the standard 18mm), also put a back bevel on when scribing helps.
Brilliant just brilliant, thanks a lot, but have to mention the soil pipe like everyone else simply because we had the same prob, here, and ran the soil under the floor,to underneath the pan to avoid this , Congrats on all those scribing tips i am learning so much, and the gluing the arci,i watched in shock when I saw our chippie doing this,thanks again.
Hi Peter. There were two steel beams in the way so not chance of running in in the floor. It had to be there and now that bit is inside a cupboard so no problem. People make such a fuss but when you do a wrap around and land lock a bathroom you have to come up with solutions not excuses.
@@SkillBuilder Well i must just say thanks for that, what with you being so busy I never expected a reply with all that explanation cheers mate great video,s I just love them,I find learning from you just watching,is just so much easier than the book studying.
that mitre fast is so good as a diyer i never knew about this
Great Skill, thank you
How are you Rbbin top class work mate all the best hope to see you soon Kev
I always like to cut my scribes by hand it just makes for a more precise joint. This would be good for someone who is just starting out to watch. Nice video robin. 👍🙂
These videos are really helpful keep them coming. Keep up the great work
Excellent video very informative, very impressive how quickly and accurately you do it
Another quality video. You definitely make it look easy 👍🏼
Man this is amazing to see how easy you make it look! Very professional guys, great tutorial.
Nice work. Another nice tip for where the skirting meets the architrave is to use a biscuit cutter £30-£40 one is all I use.
That way you get a nice flush finish for a couple extra minutes
Craig, good tip. I have just done this today.
Nice video, one thing you missed out mentioning is to check the floor for level before fitting your skirting, often on referbs the floors can be a long way out, i prefer to use plastic shims to keep the skirtings somewhat level.
great video yet again, I use a flap disc to scribe out the skirting
Great video. I do this for a living as well and after watching your work I'm subscribing. Thanks for sharing.
I am glad that Rogers floor was level so no scribing to the floor for a level skirt.
Double bonus...adhesive so, no wood plugs to fit into the mortar joints...like we did years ago.
I suppose it's all about the end result as in most cases....How does it look at the end.
Hi Robin great video, I have slightly different methods , I use a combination square to get the margin around the architrive , I like to try a door in first if possible to check the quality of the frame , can always pack at this point if required , I always use the grip fill in blobs as i personaly find it sticks better , I would never place the saw on a metal bench , as i think it blunts it quicker , sometimes we all forget ,I personaly use a sandvick 22 inch , fine finish on the MDF thay seem to flex more . I like the idea of templating the scribes , great video , glad you have the balls to do it , watch your knees , mine a getting battered only 40
Great tip with the scribe temp. You have so many good tips robin fair play m8
Top video lad precise and quality. I love watching a good joiner at work
Hi guys, the video is great! Well done to whoever does the editing!!!
That is Dylan from Motion New Media
This made me smile. When i was an apprentice i worked with loads of chippies who used to just do skirting a cut at a time. I thought i was the only one who pre cut all the skirting 😂😂 im glad to see im not!
The problem with precutting is your cutting everything twice, once to rough size then again to exact size. One measure one cut then fix then move on to next piece is certainly quicker. Robin isn't too worried about speed and volume of work more about his quality which is always excellent.
Neatly executed, well presented... absolutely will be subscribing to your channel.
Really struggled to hear the video but got the jist of it. Thanks for sharing
Hi Robin, I just wanted to pass on a bit of advice from my late grandfather. "look after your knees"! Knee pads or a mat are essentials for me and I advise you to do the same or you may pay a price in the longer term. I enjoy your vids. All the best.
Look after your hearing, your heart, your lungs, your knees and everyone who loves you.
I fit hinges into door so they are 2.5mm proud of the door edge. When paring out the hinge on the door standard, I pare in from flush to whatever thickness the hinge flap is. I can then fit architraves with a 2mm border all round, instead of the 9mm shown here. It's a far superior finish. Skirting blocks are a little extra time, but gives a quality finish. I also only fix the hinge side of the door standard, hang the door, then fix the rest of the door standard to suite the hung door. I find this far quicker, and no need to trim door if a pre fixed frame isn't millimeter perfect or put off square or twisted. Full proof.. Being a joiner for 50 years, I've never found an easier way. Shame that some tricks are now forgotten about.
2mm architrave margin must look horrific
Wish I'd watched this video a week ago, the scribing template is brilliant. Thanks I might even subscribe!
I’d love to do a day with this guy
Legendary as per usual!
An excellent series of videos. A good job as always Robin and Roger. As I am in the U.S. I have to try to translate the different terminology and slang when watching videos from another country but that’s half the fun and I always learn something. While some equipment, (plumbing especially) doesn’t correlate to us here (you guys have better plumbing fixtures and fittings and 220 or 240 mains power) it is always interesting watching you guys videos!
Thanks for the great content.
Ron
Thanks Ron
We try to limit the slang terms but the building industry is full of local terms and there is even a great deal of variation across the length and breadth of our tiny country. We love to watch American, Australian, Canadian and NZ videos as well. TH-cam is great resource for all.
Skill Builder Well said.
Ron
Some great tps there
Great video.
Expanding foam for skirting is the way
Great job
Good stuff lads 👍
Where is your apprentice? If you don’t have one you need to get one! Great video I learnt lots more from this video than all the others on this topic.
Quality work from robin but better to work anti clockwise around the room measure it all and cut it on the chop saw saves messing around cutting by hand
Defeats the object of what he was doing. Robin explained right at the beginning of the skirting board section why he didn't use that method.
I do like to do my copes with the chop saw usually but can see the benifit if sitting a tad out of square. Going to mix the two next time and see how it goes
@@ianthompson9058 i get payed to get it dun never use hand saw and we supply the pink grip so you have to make it stretch or you run out
@@rabday9334 I stick mine on with insta stick foam. The one that don't push out. I had to take one off once and it stuck like mad. I used to find with the no nails stuff that it can pop of with vibrations and found it never keyed as well. Use same nail pinning method to temporary hold tho
Corners are my nightmare that scribe is great thanks
Lovely crisp mitres Robin.. And just like me, you still use a coping saw,unlike a lot of the newer boys coming through using a jigsaw
Guilty as charged! Even 15 years when I was fresh out of college I got laughed at for pulling a coping saw out. Used a jigsaw ever since.
Angle grinder is the trendy method.
Flappy pad on angle grinder is the cool way isnt it? Haha. Still use the coping saw here.