I'm a Carpenter and Joiner and I use the green solvent based Gripfil on back when fixing skirting, but I will take on board what Robin reported here. I must say Robin is a proper Carpenter and Joiner, so I really acknowledge and applaud his work, he's an all rounder, as I am. I got told 42 years ago that a really good Joiner can go on a building site on day one doing shuttering for foundations and stay on site all the way to the final fixing work. Robin is of that ilk, and neat too.
I stopped using gripfill years ago because of the skinning issues I also felt it didn’t compress well. I have been to many jobs where skirtings have been bonded with gripfill and they have literally fell off the wall with little encouragement. I was an ardent user of sticks like s*** rapid until I did a restaurant refurb which required bonding stainless steel sheeting. The sheet supplier recommendation was sticks all and I have been using it ever since on many different applications. I also use CT1 and found that to be really good also.The one thing I don’t understand is all of these products claim to bond a multitude of materials including plastics, but I’ve never had the screw on cap for the nozzle get stuck! 😂
guy Rawson I’ve never had them stick even with product around the nozzle tbh! I guess you could argue that an excess of product could stop the air curing the product though!
Im pleased that Gripfill failed massively, I’ve noticed a change in it, you’re right about the consistency and skinning over, recently had a whole box of them that had dried out in the tube unopened.
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Hi Robin we’ve done the same kind of testing and found that clear Stixall works on everything and been using it now for the last few year’s and it has never let me down. Many thanks.
I'll happily use No more nails or Screwfix own solvent free gripfill for scribes or skirting boards. It holds absolutely fine. In a real life situation your not forcing a chisel behind it or anything hanging off it. For something like a curtain batten, or something that's going to take any weight, definitely stixall or similar. Good to see you mention gripfill needing to be pulled apart first as so many people don't know that.
I usually use "Soudal Fix All" which I've just noticed is also a hybrid polymer. However, the Everbuild Multi Stick is half the price though and you get more of it, so I think I'll give it a go. Thanks Robin!!
I've used both and find Soudal Fix All far superior to EB multi-stick - also I've had a few tubes of multi-stick that brand new are rock solid and won't come out the of the tube - super annoying when you just want to get on! Fix all is double the price though!
I use pink grip most of the time and it seems to work well. You might get the odd tube that’s gone a bit hard sometimes from a crap batch or it’s been on the shelf too long. I find though that when pressing onto the surface a must is to move the object up and down while pressing hard as it might not fix. Edit: I thought worth mentioning that sometimes you don’t want your skirt fixed in a fashion that when you want to remove it it destroys the plasterboard. I have a 20yr old house that was fixed using gripfill and caulked in; the skirt came off quit easy as the gripfill had dried out. I cut the caulk along the top and the skirt came off easy with no damage to the plasterboard. I put down a wooden floor new skirting in, no troubles. I was glad the skirting wasn’t fixed too solidly.
I can't understand why anyone would use the old style gripfills when they've used the new ones. They're miles better. Pink grip sticks will to itself that's about it. Can't reseal the tube either
I've been a major fan of StixAll since it was launched. It's simply amazing. Sets in the wet, provides amazing strength and bond. I've used it as an adhesive as well as a sealant in water conduits. I've even repaired boot soles with it. I wouldn't use it it on architrave because it's overkill but StixAll is one of four main adhesives I choose, depending on need.
Robin, Cant tell you how much you've helped us self builders and now our daughter has bought a 'project' and shes watching your brilliant videos too! Thank you...you should have your own TV program!!!
Nice test, Having just this week pulled off a skirting board to be able to route a cable in the wall, I appreciate that the strongest possible adhesive wasn't used, otherwise I might have had large chunks of ripped out plasterboard to sort out. Sometimes using a glue that is "Strong Enough" is the best option. If only I could remember which adhesive I used when I stuck it on years back. Thanks for the video, and Merry Xmas
I recently used the Solvent Gripfill on a kitchen splashback and was left extremely unimpressed, it skinned almost instantly did not grab and I had to stack stuff against it to hold it to the wall.
One thing I can say about Pink Grip is years ago I had to build some racked shelving in a concrete panel generator house, I did not want to screw the uprights to the the wall as it had been there for umpteen years. I used Pink Grip. Years later I had to take the racking out, I had to beat the uprights off the wall with a club hammer and all it did was split the wood and a good 1/2" remained stuck to the wall.
For fixing skirting I recommend expanding foam. Fills the gaps and gives good insulation value. Goes further than these tubes and value for money. If your doing mouldings I’d use any silicone I’ve got on the van left over. Be careful of squeeze outs and also nail both skirtings and architraves with the pin gun. Job done. Joiner 32 yrs. I’m 48 yrs old. Glad I could help. 👍🏻😀🇬🇧
I use DOW INSTA STIK EXPANDING FOAM GRAB ADHESIVE GUN GRADE 750ML. 1 can will do a hole 4 bedroom house it's faster to apply and you can't get it off once dry.
Same, great stuff. MS polymers are great, but for skirting I deffo prefer insta stik. Another plus is that its lower viscosity allows a tighter fit against the wall, which is great for pre-finished boards and walls. If you give it a few minutes before applying it wont expand either.
Hi Robin, interesting video 👍. I only ever use Dow insta stick foam adhesive for everything now. Once used it for an oak lining in a rubble built flint opening. Wedged it overnight & hung a 2'8" oak door off of it next day. Never come loose in the last 10 yrs. On skirtings it goes off in about 10 minutes and you'll never move it plus 1 can lasts for ages. Hope you have a great Christmas 🎄 Regards Tim
Problem with that Tim is with skirting it isn't uncommon to have to re move it and if the adhesive you have used is too strong then it's a much bigger and more expensive job. Quite often better to go for something middle of the road
I use the Instant Nails because it's cheap. I've had fairly good results with it. Also because it's solvent free...it's good for sticking polystyrene insulation as it doesn't melt it.
Great video mate. After starting my first ever skirting DIY project I bought some green gripfill and was completely and utterly unimpressed. It skins over, it doesn't compress well and it doesn't grab. I just wish I found this video sooner. I'm off to buy some multi stick or stixall now...
Geocel contractor decorators caulk, I only use that fir skirting and architrave ( pinned) Other guy right, if you want it off it diesn't destroy the boards/ plaster. Gripfill is rubbish, skinns over brittle and had too many failures!! Keep up the tutorials Robin!!!👍👍👍👍
I've used Multistick even on my boat and it has worked well. Note that it is a Polymer adhesive so can be used to mount mirrors. If you use something like Gripfil it will bleed through the mirror finish.
Mixed feelings about which product to use. A stronger bond would initially seem to be desirable, but then makes it more difficult to remove skirting at a later date without damaging the plasterboard. Ideally I'd prefer a product that bonds well enough, but not too strongly if that makes sense.
@@treehouse7861 If you know you will be removing the skirting at a later date, just use a couple of dots of hot glue and pin it in place. Or, as already mentioned, use 'insta scab' aka the Green Tube!
Many..Many years ago I remember the look a very experienced carpenter gave me when I mentioned adhesives..he was a dedicated drill plug screw fill man I told him about molecular bondind ..it went straight over his head.
Would have been interesting to see how easy it was to clean the nozzle the next day. I used to pink grip to make PIR boards. And all the skirting. To stick the boards to uneven walls I wet the walls a little and use PU foam. It helps at go off a lot quicker. The pink grip is very cheap, and I like the way it uses cardboard tubes, rather than creating more plastic waste.
A lot of jobs I do the adhesive is supplied and it's always Gripfill. I mention that it's no good but next job, there's that green box again. It's hard to get developers to change habits. I've been advised to use Stixall by a garage door fitter. He uses it to stick timber frames to steels.
This was really useful. I swear by multi-stick and a colleague swears by stixall!! Good to see them cross the line together. It would be great to see how fast the top 3 grab. A pull test after 1hr 2h 4hr & 8hrs?
I've been using pink grip for a while now with skirting along with pins. Had few to no issues with it really and get a good deal on it at wickes but after seeing this I'm trying that multi stick next. As always Robin, good video bud. Hope your having a day off tomorrow. Seasons greetings
I use most of these, each have their own applications. I try to use Instant Nails on skirting / arc because it's super cheap (usually less than £1). It's also over-paintable so if I'm being rushed to finish I can use it as a makeshift caulk (for flat walls at-least), then the painters can paint the same day. Gripfill + Gripfill extra are my go to gap filling adhesives, for bonding to uneven surfaces etc. Stixall is my current favourite if I need a really solid bond, and it's available in black, white and clear tubes which is handy. The only one I haven't tried is Multi Stick. Looks to be cheaper than Stixall so will certainly give that a go. Very informative video, thanks.
Had my eye on the stixall thinking it would perform good. I use it a lot serious stuff. Also use “fixall” a lot from soudal. Also excellent stuff. I find foam brilliant too especially if bonding material tight together ie. plant on mdf wall panelling. Material sticks very flat together as opposed to stixall where the glue can prevent the material from sticking very tightly together a hairline gap is hard to avoid. Great video as usual. Thanks 👍👍
Interesting Vid - Your channels are the best UK relevant general carpentry/building channels on TH-cam. Please don't get too tainted by the corporate dollar. You seem to be reading my mind - lockdown project is a garden office - your feather edge cladding vid came just a little bit too late - I just undercoated the skirting before fitting last night and now this vid shows up in the feed....
I use pink right price and works well . I stick wall capping back on if cement is still well stuck to bricks . Wall capping don't seem to stick to cement very well. Also brick slips . Try pulling them off and the whole bed of cement is on capping. and yes can be used out side. Great vid thanks.
I use gun n nail for all skirting or arc works a treat never had an issue. One thing the video was lacking was the price of each? If all yours wanting is some arc or skirting on the wall I’ve been able to get gun n nail for 99p a tube at times where are some others are 7 or 8 times that.
There are other considerations. Cost, instant grip, sticks to wet, sticks to non absorbent surfaces, interior, exterior. This is just a selection from toolstation and I’ve used all of these. However I use the multi stick for most things having moved away from sticks like sh*t. It’s just as good but cheaper. Just make sure you get an increased power gun because it can be hard to get out. If I need instant grab I use fix all turbo or high tack. For everything else there’s puraflex or ct1.
Very informative video, many thanks Robin. Any suggestions on fixing timber mouldings to ceiling/wall? I have to find a way to fill 5 - 10mm gaps which dormice (cute but bloody noisy in middle of night!) are getting through in bedrooms and bathroom of old French farmhouse belonging to friends. Was hoping to take most materials with me from UK
I use cheap silicone on skirts etc. I’ve used grabs and they fall off, so I go back and repair with silicone.. the best grabs are the wet silicone type ones, so rather than stand in store wonder if this tube is a silicone style grab, I just get silicone.. Tried and tested on my home, 10 years and counting..
Good test . I’m a decorator by trade but like to learn a bit from every trade if possible ( having been in the game for 30 + years). A plasterer I follow did a similar test recently with different pvas, bonding agents, blue grit and cement & pva mix etc . Very interesting
Very good review Robbin!Still boils down to basically the smellier the better !👍Could you please recommend a foam adhesive to fix foil backed insulated plasterboard to the inside of a single brick exterior wall.The outside treated with storm dry so penetrating damp should not be an issue.
That EverBuild Multi Stick is actually solvent free! I have been using No Nonsense solvent free with 2nd fix nail gun for some moulding work but will try the multi stick. I hate working with solvent stuff like gripfill, hard to get off excess and clean off.
Hadn't realised that CT1 had changed will try OB1 , No nonsense X8 is what I've been using as price is good fir what it is and seems behave like CT1 but it doesn't come in beige which makes CT1 very useful if you're a decorator for wood to mortar discreet edge filling .
Hi there. THANKS for your advice video.. I'm a DIY man do general work around the houses.. has helped me what to buy next time.. usually I buy unibond silicone and no nails.. but good to know other brands also..
This must be products from Europe. I am not familiar with these products but I agree there are dozens of products. I like to use the Loctite Pl multipurpose construction adhesive. It sealed a leak in the flooring of my manufactured home where the hot water heater cabinet is on an outside wall. It attached the wood fiber and some sheet metal together and it became rock hard.
PS. The damage was caused by the previous water heater. It now has a new Rheem water heater. The old water heater lasted an unheard of 30 years before the burner finally went out.
No surprises for me on that Gripfill Solvent Free, found it absolutely useless for that kind of job! Makes a reasonable caulk though.... Evo-Stik Sticks Like Sh!t is my favourite for anything like that, it’s very similar to that StixAll stuff, but I think it comes out the tube much smoother. Interesting test though, thanks for the content, it’s always valuable 👍
Great video, if you know your fitting something in place for a long time ( and this was talking about skirting) use the tubes on the right of the line up. IF you think might need to take the skirting off at some stage gripfill green looks to be the option. This shows you don’t really need to run a bead the full length of the skirting a few lines of adhesive and caulk the gap at the top. That’s assuming the skirting is straight (not often if from B &Q)
Yep - holds better, because it's flexible, ten times easier to get off, if needed, with no damage to the wall, and a breeze to clean off, if needs to be re-fixed. Oh, and a fraction of the price, too. 👍
I use Pink Grip for general construction grab adhesive, Polymer sealant (CT1 etc) and Insta Stik Foam in equal parts on Aqua Panel installation on my bathroom refurbs. My thinking is best to use both as bibs and braces to reduce risk of grab failure as the panels can be going onot anything from new plaster to old tiles to rough plaster.
Should have shown pictures of final winners. And their prices. Also do another similar comparison of bonding wood and concrete fence posts. And metal and wooden bonding
Excellent video Robin so thanks. I've spent an age over the years reading labels on tubes of what they can do, and it's often exaggerated, but this simple 'experiment' demonstrates pretty much all I need to know. Just need to compare prices for the best deals ;-)
Bought me some stixall extreme cheers Robin. Incidentally it’s the only one I saw on the shelf that actually advertised it being a hybrid polymer, and even that was on the small print on the back of the tube. They should be shouting about it in big bold letters on the front of the tube as a plus point
Hmmmm update is I’m not terribly impressed with the stixall. Perhaps I had a bad batch.... I found that the follower at the base of the tube was too loose, left behind lots of product in the tube and ruined my gun got it covered in adhesive. Tube is pretty small too for the price. I’m trying Gripfill Extra now
Great video...stixall everytime for me sticks when wet over paintable. Comes in Black White Grey and Clear.It’s just expensive but great products normally are. 👍
StixAll is the one for me but I will definitely try the other one. I used it while fixing skirting. If the house falls down, I will be confident the skirting will still be ok
Pink grip is good but stinks to high heaven, use gripfill for years, just because...always struggled with the skin in it and things moving but I just assumed they all did that....great video. Moving to stickall next time!!
Have to admit ive never been impressed with the green gripfill when ive used usually use yellow gripfill. Will try the pink grip in future. Merry xmas have a good one
Great video Robin, this will save people money for the product and the material being fitting. I have a list in my notebook called Robin Recommendations, this will be added. Look forward to other fixing videos, maybe comparisons between wall plugs, anchors and chem fix etc. Merry Christmas
I looked up the prices, and for how much you get in the tube it seems the Everbuild Multistick and the Gripfill Extra are the best value for the sticking power. The Stixall may be the best but its double the price for the same quantity
It's excellent for fixing most things isn't it and it's off in ten minutes,I get the insta-stick which was originally marketed for dot and dabbing if I remember correctly.
I use it too. I find it quicker, more versatile, can get skirting tight to wall, cheaper and more reliable. If the wall is a bit friable then spray lightly with water to ensure a good bond.
I also use foam. It's especially good if the bottom of the wall is damaged as it fills larger gaps. I use a few boxes of tiles or something heavy to hold it in place. It cures in 10 mins and once you get the hang of it it's no too messy.
😎 with skirting and architrave its nice to get something thats easy put on ,sticks well and doesn't pull half d wall of when u have to remove it , pink grip is a disaster to put on
The ultimate test...plastic door trims to wood/plasterboard...used a water based adhesive, would not even hold the trims for more than a few minutes before essentially falling off... cleaned up and the following day used a polymer adhesive...stuck straight away, never moved. The following day was firmly set in place...no movement whatsoever... I’ve found water based and solvents great for natural soft wood in the most part, but for everything else I use Polymer now...it still has a slight smell, but better than the solvents and of course, better for the user too, not breathing in all those solvent fumes...
The moment I saw the Stixall and Multifix I knew these would be you're preferred adhesive. The only downside to these 2 is they are over twice the price of some of the others, but you get what you pay for. Interestingly though, all 8 of these products were from only 2 manufacturers, and even more interestingly, you probably could of got 16 from the same 2 manufactures. Cheers.
Great video comparison Robin! In your experience could you list which lower end priced adhesives set fully solid / hard, so that they can double as a wall / gap / crack filler? Thank you
Hybrid polymer every time, the other advantage is excess can be remover with wipes. I don't understand why I can't buy these adhesives in much bigger tubes, (900ml) to reduce wastage.
Stixall for me all day long,great stuff , always found gripfill was ok if you broke the bond,maybe abit old fashioned now,I think stixall is hard to beat,I use it alot fitting wetwall panels, enjoying watching the videos 👍👍
Great test this... wee point on the stixall, I always keep a couple of clear tubes In the van for sealing gutters & it’s yet to let me down. Have a nice xmas Robin 🎄
I find screwfix own brand no nonsense solvent free grab is pretty good and cheap! But the biggest problem iv found is when decorators have been in and havent done a mist coat on fresh plaster and the grab adhesive pulls the paint straight off! Then only having the few pins to hold it in place.
My go to for fixing is insta-stick gun grade foam it fixes as good as any of these adhesives and goes off in around ten minutes so if needs be you can wedge and then remove them before you leave the job for the day.
Nice video Robin..gripfil was the go to many years ago but it skins easy, doesn’t tack very well and really only feels good when it’s been warmed up next to a radiator for a couple of hours haha. I use instant nails and instastik foam for skirting etc strong enough, but if necessary can be pulled off without damaging the plasterboard behind. Instant nails has also a perfect consistency, paintable and very reasonably priced compared to other tubes. Hope you had a nice Christmas and have a happy New Year!..let’s all hope things get back to some normality next year 🙂👍🏻
The solvent Gripfill is a pain in the rrrr's, I think it slipped because with the others the plasterboard would have sucked moisture out straight away, I've had the skimming over issue too, horrible if you get it on your hands too.
As always really enjoy your videos Robin! I'll probably get some stick for this but down here in Cornwall I tend to do a lot of renovations on old houses with lime plastered walls and none of the above work as the surface is too porous so I use cheap silicone with 16g pins, it allows for movement and sticks a lot better than any grab adhesive I have tried at a fraction of the cost.
No stick from me Andy, you have found a solution for your type of work and location that works for you so as far as I am concerned that is what its all about, nice one mate
Used them all, depending on what job you do. I am a decorator and also do skirting, dado architraves. Instant nails is good enough and doubles up on caulk. Saying that , expanding foam is top stuff.
I'm a Carpenter and Joiner and I use the green solvent based Gripfil on back when fixing skirting, but I will take on board what Robin reported here. I must say Robin is a proper Carpenter and Joiner, so I really acknowledge and applaud his work, he's an all rounder, as I am. I got told 42 years ago that a really good Joiner can go on a building site on day one doing shuttering for foundations and stay on site all the way to the final fixing work. Robin is of that ilk, and neat too.
Horrable stuff that gripfil
I stopped using gripfill years ago because of the skinning issues I also felt it didn’t compress well. I have been to many jobs where skirtings have been bonded with gripfill and they have literally fell off the wall with little encouragement. I was an ardent user of sticks like s*** rapid until I did a restaurant refurb which required bonding stainless steel sheeting. The sheet supplier recommendation was sticks all and I have been using it ever since on many different applications. I also use CT1 and found that to be really good also.The one thing I don’t understand is all of these products claim to bond a multitude of materials including plastics, but I’ve never had the screw on cap for the nozzle get stuck! 😂
Is that because the threads are glue free when you apply the nozzle? And lack of air to let the glue go off
guy Rawson I’ve never had them stick even with product around the nozzle tbh! I guess you could argue that an excess of product could stop the air curing the product though!
Im pleased that Gripfill failed massively, I’ve noticed a change in it, you’re right about the consistency and skinning over, recently had a whole box of them that had dried out in the tube unopened.
I've had a few tubes of this now, needing so much pressure that it burst on the seam
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Hi Robin we’ve done the same kind of testing and found that clear Stixall works on everything and been using it now for the last few year’s and it has never let me down. Many thanks.
I didn't think there would be so much difference in the results. Thanks Robin
I only use stix all these days as I find it sticks multiple products to multiple surfaces. It's never let me down since I started using it.
Same here, using it a few years now, very happy with it. Its flexible too so it moves a bit with oak but still holds
@@djoycec ha I buy in bulk now. It's that good for virtually any application
I'll happily use No more nails or Screwfix own solvent free gripfill for scribes or skirting boards. It holds absolutely fine. In a real life situation your not forcing a chisel behind it or anything hanging off it. For something like a curtain batten, or something that's going to take any weight, definitely stixall or similar. Good to see you mention gripfill needing to be pulled apart first as so many people don't know that.
I usually use "Soudal Fix All" which I've just noticed is also a hybrid polymer. However, the Everbuild Multi Stick is half the price though and you get more of it, so I think I'll give it a go. Thanks Robin!!
I've used both and find Soudal Fix All far superior to EB multi-stick - also I've had a few tubes of multi-stick that brand new are rock solid and won't come out the of the tube - super annoying when you just want to get on! Fix all is double the price though!
I use pink grip most of the time and it seems to work well. You might get the odd tube that’s gone a bit hard sometimes from a crap batch or it’s been on the shelf too long. I find though that when pressing onto the surface a must is to move the object up and down while pressing hard as it might not fix.
Edit: I thought worth mentioning that sometimes you don’t want your skirt fixed in a fashion that when you want to remove it it destroys the plasterboard. I have a 20yr old house that was fixed using gripfill and caulked in; the skirt came off quit easy as the gripfill had dried out. I cut the caulk along the top and the skirt came off easy with no damage to the plasterboard. I put down a wooden floor new skirting in, no troubles. I was glad the skirting wasn’t fixed too solidly.
I can't understand why anyone would use the old style gripfills when they've used the new ones. They're miles better. Pink grip sticks will to itself that's about it. Can't reseal the tube either
I've been a major fan of StixAll since it was launched. It's simply amazing. Sets in the wet, provides amazing strength and bond. I've used it as an adhesive as well as a sealant in water conduits. I've even repaired boot soles with it. I wouldn't use it it on architrave because it's overkill but StixAll is one of four main adhesives I choose, depending on need.
We found Multistick to be a good choice for an adhesive instead of stixall, but if you want adhesive and sealent then stixall is the one to go for.
Robin, Cant tell you how much you've helped us self builders and now our daughter has bought a 'project' and shes watching your brilliant videos too! Thank you...you should have your own TV program!!!
Nice test,
Having just this week pulled off a skirting board to be able to route a cable in the wall, I appreciate that the strongest possible adhesive wasn't used, otherwise I might have had large chunks of ripped out plasterboard to sort out. Sometimes using a glue that is "Strong Enough" is the best option.
If only I could remember which adhesive I used when I stuck it on years back.
Thanks for the video, and Merry Xmas
I recently used the Solvent Gripfill on a kitchen splashback and was left extremely unimpressed, it skinned almost instantly did not grab and I had to stack stuff against it to hold it to the wall.
Yeah. Tried a few different adhesives, and always go back to the Stixall.
Even built a garden wall with it. Great stuff
Well worth 20 mins of my time. Opened my eyes a bit. No more gripfil, that's for sure. Thank you.
Thats why I call it shitfill. Skins over too quickly and theres no "grab" factor
One thing I can say about Pink Grip is years ago I had to build some racked shelving in a concrete panel generator house, I did not want to screw the uprights to the the wall as it had been there for umpteen years. I used Pink Grip. Years later I had to take the racking out, I had to beat the uprights off the wall with a club hammer and all it did was split the wood and a good 1/2" remained stuck to the wall.
Magic, Got a load of Architrave to fit and you have answered my question. Evidence based choices are the best. Many Thanks.
For fixing skirting I recommend expanding foam. Fills the gaps and gives good insulation value. Goes further than these tubes and value for money. If your doing mouldings I’d use any silicone I’ve got on the van left over. Be careful of squeeze outs and also nail both skirtings and architraves with the pin gun. Job done. Joiner 32 yrs. I’m 48 yrs old. Glad I could help. 👍🏻😀🇬🇧
Thank you! Very helpful. Just like in the video, when I removed the skirting some plaster came off. Expanding foam FTW
I use DOW INSTA STIK EXPANDING FOAM GRAB ADHESIVE GUN GRADE 750ML. 1 can will do a hole 4 bedroom house it's faster to apply and you can't get it off once dry.
Same, brilliant stuff as long as you put plenty of weight in front of the skirting because it does expand slightly but not a lot.
Same, great stuff. MS polymers are great, but for skirting I deffo prefer insta stik. Another plus is that its lower viscosity allows a tighter fit against the wall, which is great for pre-finished boards and walls. If you give it a few minutes before applying it wont expand either.
totally agree - foam is great for skirting
Hi Robin, interesting video 👍. I only ever use Dow insta stick foam adhesive for everything now.
Once used it for an oak lining in a rubble built flint opening. Wedged it overnight & hung a 2'8" oak door off of it next day. Never come loose in the last 10 yrs.
On skirtings it goes off in about 10 minutes and you'll never move it plus 1 can lasts for ages.
Hope you have a great Christmas 🎄
Regards
Tim
Problem with that Tim is with skirting it isn't uncommon to have to re move it and if the adhesive you have used is too strong then it's a much bigger and more expensive job. Quite often better to go for something middle of the road
I use the Instant Nails because it's cheap. I've had fairly good results with it. Also because it's solvent free...it's good for sticking polystyrene insulation as it doesn't melt it.
I’ve been really impressed with Stixall so I was interested to see your thinking on it …. Great ! 👍
Great video mate. After starting my first ever skirting DIY project I bought some green gripfill and was completely and utterly unimpressed. It skins over, it doesn't compress well and it doesn't grab. I just wish I found this video sooner. I'm off to buy some multi stick or stixall now...
Excellent video. Thank you. I've used stixall for years. Never let me down and is great at filling and sealing gaps as it's paintable.
Stixall is my favourite to its better than that sticks like stuff
If Robin sold an adhesive I would purchase it, CT1 is my favourite. Merry Christmas
Everbuild were acquired by Sika which makes sense why their products performed well. Sika are the best in the business.
Thank you Stephen!!
Geocel contractor decorators caulk, I only use that fir skirting and architrave ( pinned) Other guy right, if you want it off it diesn't destroy the boards/ plaster.
Gripfill is rubbish, skinns over brittle and had too many failures!!
Keep up the tutorials Robin!!!👍👍👍👍
I've used Multistick even on my boat and it has worked well. Note that it is a Polymer adhesive so can be used to mount mirrors. If you use something like Gripfil it will bleed through the mirror finish.
Mixed feelings about which product to use. A stronger bond would initially seem to be desirable, but then makes it more difficult to remove skirting at a later date without damaging the plasterboard. Ideally I'd prefer a product that bonds well enough, but not too strongly if that makes sense.
In that case the green tube “no nails” I believe is best. I’ve used it multiple times for the purpose you described and it works well
just use a bit less?
@@treehouse7861 If you know you will be removing the skirting at a later date, just use a couple of dots of hot glue and pin it in place. Or, as already mentioned, use 'insta scab' aka the Green Tube!
use a simple silicone and a few panel pins to hold it in place.
You want a product that requires you to destroy and rebuild everything in order to make even the tiniest change. Job security!
Many..Many years ago I remember the look a very experienced carpenter gave me when I mentioned adhesives..he was a dedicated drill plug screw fill man I told him about molecular bondind ..it went straight over his head.
Adhesives are great. I love a combined mechanical adhesive bond for shock resistance.
Well I was glued to this video, so many adhesives available now.
boom boom!! love your comment mate its stuck with me!!
@@ukconstruction You two are starting to form a bond🤩
Excellent good to see a practical review like this. Price is the only other consideration for me!
Would have been interesting to see how easy it was to clean the nozzle the next day. I used to pink grip to make PIR boards. And all the skirting. To stick the boards to uneven walls I wet the walls a little and use PU foam. It helps at go off a lot quicker.
The pink grip is very cheap, and I like the way it uses cardboard tubes, rather than creating more plastic waste.
Good point, but do the tubes have a silver papery coating inside, that may render the tube non-recyclable?
@@ianjonas7925 doesn’t really matter. Plastic doesn’t degrade, paper and metal do.
A lot of jobs I do the adhesive is supplied and it's always Gripfill. I mention that it's no good but next job, there's that green box again.
It's hard to get developers to change habits. I've been advised to use Stixall by a garage door fitter. He uses it to stick timber frames to steels.
Stixall is miles better than grip fill.
Gripfill is useless
This was really useful. I swear by multi-stick and a colleague swears by stixall!! Good to see them cross the line together. It would be great to see how fast the top 3 grab. A pull test after 1hr 2h 4hr & 8hrs?
I've been using pink grip for a while now with skirting along with pins. Had few to no issues with it really and get a good deal on it at wickes but after seeing this I'm trying that multi stick next. As always Robin, good video bud. Hope your having a day off tomorrow. Seasons greetings
I use most of these, each have their own applications. I try to use Instant Nails on skirting / arc because it's super cheap (usually less than £1). It's also over-paintable so if I'm being rushed to finish I can use it as a makeshift caulk (for flat walls at-least), then the painters can paint the same day. Gripfill + Gripfill extra are my go to gap filling adhesives, for bonding to uneven surfaces etc. Stixall is my current favourite if I need a really solid bond, and it's available in black, white and clear tubes which is handy. The only one I haven't tried is Multi Stick. Looks to be cheaper than Stixall so will certainly give that a go. Very informative video, thanks.
Stix-all is the dogs, quite often use it on wet surfaces and no issues
Had my eye on the stixall thinking it would perform good. I use it a lot serious stuff. Also use “fixall” a lot from soudal. Also excellent stuff. I find foam brilliant too especially if bonding material tight together ie. plant on mdf wall panelling. Material sticks very flat together as opposed to stixall where the glue can prevent the material from sticking very tightly together a hairline gap is hard to avoid. Great video as usual. Thanks 👍👍
Interesting Vid - Your channels are the best UK relevant general carpentry/building channels on TH-cam. Please don't get too tainted by the corporate dollar. You seem to be reading my mind - lockdown project is a garden office - your feather edge cladding vid came just a little bit too late - I just undercoated the skirting before fitting last night and now this vid shows up in the feed....
I use pink right price and works well . I stick wall capping back on if cement is still well stuck to bricks . Wall capping don't seem to stick to cement very well. Also brick slips . Try pulling them off and the whole bed of cement is on capping. and yes can be used out side. Great vid thanks.
I use gun n nail for all skirting or arc works a treat never had an issue. One thing the video was lacking was the price of each? If all yours wanting is some arc or skirting on the wall I’ve been able to get gun n nail for 99p a tube at times where are some others are 7 or 8 times that.
There are other considerations. Cost, instant grip, sticks to wet, sticks to non absorbent surfaces, interior, exterior. This is just a selection from toolstation and I’ve used all of these. However I use the multi stick for most things having moved away from sticks like sh*t. It’s just as good but cheaper. Just make sure you get an increased power gun because it can be hard to get out. If I need instant grab I use fix all turbo or high tack. For everything else there’s puraflex or ct1.
Very informative video, many thanks Robin. Any suggestions on fixing timber mouldings to ceiling/wall? I have to find a way to fill 5 - 10mm gaps which dormice (cute but bloody noisy in middle of night!) are getting through in bedrooms and bathroom of old French farmhouse belonging to friends. Was hoping to take most materials with me from UK
I use cheap silicone on skirts etc. I’ve used grabs and they fall off, so I go back and repair with silicone.. the best grabs are the wet silicone type ones, so rather than stand in store wonder if this tube is a silicone style grab, I just get silicone.. Tried and tested on my home, 10 years and counting..
Thanks Robin! I really like these ..out in the field.. videos. Well done!
Good test . I’m a decorator by trade but like to learn a bit from every trade if possible ( having been in the game for 30 + years). A plasterer I follow did a similar test recently with different pvas, bonding agents, blue grit and cement & pva mix etc . Very interesting
I've always liked solvent grip fill.yes it skins but I put a spot on the wall then add some on the timber around the same area.dries rock solid.
Very good review Robbin!Still boils down to basically the smellier the better !👍Could you please recommend a foam adhesive to fix foil backed insulated plasterboard to the inside of a single brick exterior wall.The outside treated with storm dry so penetrating damp should not be an issue.
That EverBuild Multi Stick is actually solvent free! I have been using No Nonsense solvent free with 2nd fix nail gun for some moulding work but will try the multi stick. I hate working with solvent stuff like gripfill, hard to get off excess and clean off.
Stixall is my go to find it works in most situations have never had success with the grip fill
Bone dry walls and MDf skirting, a fixing ever 400 c where is it going to go
As a note ct1 is now being manufactured differently,
Ob1 is using the original formula that ct1 used to be made to
Hadn't realised that CT1 had changed will try OB1 , No nonsense X8 is what I've been using as price is good fir what it is and seems behave like CT1 but it doesn't come in beige which makes CT1 very useful if you're a decorator for wood to mortar discreet edge filling .
Dude looks like he’s lived seven lifetimes and still manages a genuine smile. +Subscribe
Hi there. THANKS for your advice video.. I'm a DIY man do general work around the houses.. has helped me what to buy next time.. usually I buy unibond silicone and no nails.. but good to know other brands also..
Glad I could help
For the money the instant nails from toolstation is great
I'd agree with you 100% , a great product and very cheap
Was going to comment the same thing. Can’t go wrong for the price.
Instant nails for me Mate used it for years never had a problem
This must be products from Europe. I am not familiar with these products but I agree there are dozens of products. I like to use the Loctite Pl multipurpose construction adhesive. It sealed a leak in the flooring of my manufactured home where the hot water heater cabinet is on an outside wall. It attached the wood fiber and some sheet metal together and it became rock hard.
PS. The damage was caused by the previous water heater. It now has a new Rheem water heater. The old water heater lasted an unheard of 30 years before the burner finally went out.
No surprises for me on that Gripfill Solvent Free, found it absolutely useless for that kind of job! Makes a reasonable caulk though....
Evo-Stik Sticks Like Sh!t is my favourite for anything like that, it’s very similar to that StixAll stuff, but I think it comes out the tube much smoother.
Interesting test though, thanks for the content, it’s always valuable 👍
Also, I bought a box of gripfill and it went off so fast by the time I came to use it it I couldnt get it out of the tube!
Robbed essential craftmans catch phrase "keep up the good work"
You'll have create your own Robin 😂
I noticed that. Another great channel!!!!
Great video, if you know your fitting something in place for a long time ( and this was talking about skirting) use the tubes on the right of the line up. IF you think might need to take the skirting off at some stage gripfill green looks to be the option. This shows you don’t really need to run a bead the full length of the skirting a few lines of adhesive and caulk the gap at the top. That’s assuming the skirting is straight (not often if from B &Q)
Who The Hell Buys Timber or Skirting From B&Q. I Know That Not Even DIY Guys Buy Timber From That Place !!!! Total Amateurs !!!!!!
I've tried them all... and nothing beats a good foam gun and some pu foam 👌
Yep - holds better, because it's flexible, ten times easier to get off, if needed, with no damage to the wall, and a breeze to clean off, if needs to be re-fixed. Oh, and a fraction of the price, too. 👍
Yup my go to as well
Stixall , ct1 and tec7 have been my brands for roofing to 2nd fixing
They are great products.
It used to be Sikaflex was the better choice but then we got these extra premium products in the UK.
Multi stick for me. Good price too. CT1 too dear
I use Pink Grip for general construction grab adhesive, Polymer sealant (CT1 etc) and Insta Stik Foam in equal parts on Aqua Panel installation on my bathroom refurbs. My thinking is best to use both as bibs and braces to reduce risk of grab failure as the panels can be going onot anything from new plaster to old tiles to rough plaster.
Should have shown pictures of final winners. And their prices. Also do another similar comparison of bonding wood and concrete fence posts. And metal and wooden bonding
Excellent video Robin so thanks. I've spent an age over the years reading labels on tubes of what they can do, and it's often exaggerated, but this simple 'experiment' demonstrates pretty much all I need to know. Just need to compare prices for the best deals ;-)
Glad it was helpful!
Great review Robin. I can say too love those polymer adhesive. Gripfill still has a use on some occasions.
Bought me some stixall extreme cheers Robin. Incidentally it’s the only one I saw on the shelf that actually advertised it being a hybrid polymer, and even that was on the small print on the back of the tube. They should be shouting about it in big bold letters on the front of the tube as a plus point
Hmmmm update is I’m not terribly impressed with the stixall. Perhaps I had a bad batch.... I found that the follower at the base of the tube was too loose, left behind lots of product in the tube and ruined my gun got it covered in adhesive. Tube is pretty small too for the price. I’m trying Gripfill Extra now
That van number plate is epic!
Really helpful, thanks, just about to install 100mtrs of primed pine torus. I now know what to go for.
Brilliant!!
Used to use gripfill green and pink grip think it's changed over years
Great video...stixall everytime for me sticks when wet over paintable. Comes in Black White Grey and Clear.It’s just expensive but great products normally are. 👍
StixAll is the one for me but I will definitely try the other one. I used it while fixing skirting. If the house falls down, I will be confident the skirting will still be ok
Pink grip is good but stinks to high heaven, use gripfill for years, just because...always struggled with the skin in it and things moving but I just assumed they all did that....great video. Moving to stickall next time!!
Have to admit ive never been impressed with the green gripfill when ive used usually use yellow gripfill. Will try the pink grip in future. Merry xmas have a good one
Pink is poor mate especially in winter breaks your hand trying to pump out if it gets slightly cold in house or van
@@dalemoore11 cheers for the advice appreciated
Great video Robin, this will save people money for the product and the material being fitting.
I have a list in my notebook called Robin Recommendations, this will be added.
Look forward to other fixing videos, maybe comparisons between wall plugs, anchors and chem fix etc.
Merry Christmas
Multi stick is my favourite. It's relatively cheap compared to Stixall and a few others. Seems just as good though.
I looked up the prices, and for how much you get in the tube it seems the Everbuild Multistick and the Gripfill Extra are the best value for the sticking power. The Stixall may be the best but its double the price for the same quantity
Ever use PU foam adhesive Robin? I like SoudaBond for skirtings
It's excellent for fixing most things isn't it and it's off in ten minutes,I get the insta-stick which was originally marketed for dot and dabbing if I remember correctly.
I use it too. I find it quicker, more versatile, can get skirting tight to wall, cheaper and more reliable. If the wall is a bit friable then spray lightly with water to ensure a good bond.
I also use foam.
It's especially good if the bottom of the wall is damaged as it fills larger gaps. I use a few boxes of tiles or something heavy to hold it in place. It cures in 10 mins and once you get the hang of it it's no too messy.
😎 with skirting and architrave its nice to get something thats easy put on ,sticks well and doesn't pull half d wall of when u have to remove it , pink grip is a disaster to put on
The ultimate test...plastic door trims to wood/plasterboard...used a water based adhesive, would not even hold the trims for more than a few minutes before essentially falling off... cleaned up and the following day used a polymer adhesive...stuck straight away, never moved. The following day was firmly set in place...no movement whatsoever... I’ve found water based and solvents great for natural soft wood in the most part, but for everything else I use Polymer now...it still has a slight smell, but better than the solvents and of course, better for the user too, not breathing in all those solvent fumes...
We've taken to a mini roller of sbr type primer round new plaster at skirting height seems to help.
Thats a good technique, belt and braces!!
The moment I saw the Stixall and Multifix I knew these would be you're preferred adhesive. The only downside to these 2 is they are over twice the price of some of the others, but you get what you pay for. Interestingly though, all 8 of these products were from only 2 manufacturers, and even more interestingly, you probably could of got 16 from the same 2 manufactures. Cheers.
It’s like Dulux all over again, same product, different prices
Thanks for the discount Robin saved me £30 👍🏽
Enjoyed this, thanks; perhaps next time you should ensure the cameraman actually shows the adhesive tubes (eg, your go-to adhesives were not shown).
Great video Robin, as always but agree in this instance the camera person seemed to lose track of things toward the end! 😂
Great video comparison Robin! In your experience could you list which lower end priced adhesives set fully solid / hard, so that they can double as a wall / gap / crack filler? Thank you
Tec 7 here in Ireland great stuff but expensive, I've used stixal and find it good too
Hybrid polymer every time, the other advantage is excess can be remover with wipes. I don't understand why I can't buy these adhesives in much bigger tubes, (900ml) to reduce wastage.
Stixall for me all day long,great stuff , always found gripfill was ok if you broke the bond,maybe abit old fashioned now,I think stixall is hard to beat,I use it alot fitting wetwall panels, enjoying watching the videos 👍👍
Great test this... wee point on the stixall, I always keep a couple of clear tubes In the van for sealing gutters & it’s yet to let me down. Have a nice xmas Robin 🎄
I find screwfix own brand no nonsense solvent free grab is pretty good and cheap! But the biggest problem iv found is when decorators have been in and havent done a mist coat on fresh plaster and the grab adhesive pulls the paint straight off! Then only having the few pins to hold it in place.
Would really like to see this test done again with sticks like s*it and CT1.
There the 2 for me!
Both my go to
Ct1 is the govner but bit pricey
@@justicecase19 yes overkill on a skirting job
Great and informative video.
Would’ve been good to have a price comparison and maybe also a test on different surfaces...
Think Roger does one on the skill builder channel, this one is really good, but the other has a bit more detail.
My go to for fixing is insta-stick gun grade foam it fixes as good as any of these adhesives and goes off in around ten minutes so if needs be you can wedge and then remove them before you leave the job for the day.
Nice video Robin..gripfil was the go to many years ago but it skins easy, doesn’t tack very well and really only feels good when it’s been warmed up next to a radiator for a couple of hours haha. I use instant nails and instastik foam for skirting etc strong enough, but if necessary can be pulled off without damaging the plasterboard behind. Instant nails has also a perfect consistency, paintable and very reasonably priced compared to other tubes. Hope you had a nice Christmas and have a happy New Year!..let’s all hope things get back to some normality next year 🙂👍🏻
Would like to have see what silicon was like with all these.
Silicone bleeds through and and can stain the surface
Thanks for all the videos that you do Robin. Happy Christmas to you and your family. Hoping for a healthy and happ..ier 2021.
The solvent Gripfill is a pain in the rrrr's, I think it slipped because with the others the plasterboard would have sucked moisture out straight away, I've had the skimming over issue too, horrible if you get it on your hands too.
Yes it's absolute rubbish, I never use it anymore. As this test shows there's much better products on the market now
As always really enjoy your videos Robin! I'll probably get some stick for this but down here in Cornwall I tend to do a lot of renovations on old houses with lime plastered walls and none of the above work as the surface is too porous so I use cheap silicone with 16g pins, it allows for movement and sticks a lot better than any grab adhesive I have tried at a fraction of the cost.
No stick from me Andy, you have found a solution for your type of work and location that works for you so as far as I am concerned that is what its all about, nice one mate
Used them all, depending on what job you do. I am a decorator and also do skirting, dado architraves. Instant nails is good enough and doubles up on caulk. Saying that , expanding foam is top stuff.
Instant nails.. some pros may snigger at this choice but for the price.. couple of quid I think, it's a good shout for a home owner.