I've been shooting Victory for a few years now. My favorite are the RIP TKOs. At TAC, I could unscrew them from trees, put a new tip in, and keep going. I run both the 50 and 75 grain inserts. I can shoot either 125 or 150 grain heads, and they fly the same. 3DHVs were great for long range. They don't like to bend, but durable enough on impacts. I shoot the V-TAC 23s for 3D. Surprisingly durable. Haven't broken one yet, thanks to the pin nocks.
Just built my first set of victory arrows last night. V -TAC 23 gamers. Loved the spine indicator, assesories, and weight. I was very impressed with the Victory line up.
Great brand. Great people. Outstanding components which is why I go with Victory. The "ICE" coating on the TKO arrows makes them easier to pull out of targets too.
I love Victory, especially the TKO series. I've found that standard diameter shafts are great for my purposes and the VF TKOs have been fantastic. I shot two deer with the same arrow so far this year and it's back in the quiver again for number 3. I really liked the VAP SS, but didn't care for the .166 components. I may try the RIP TKOs in the future.
Cool review. Happy New Year. FWIW, I shot Axis since they were first introduced. I’ve switched to the Victory simply because I wanted the stiff spine at a lower GPI to play around with point weight. Anyways, when you try to get apples to apples between Victory and Easton, Easton is substantially less expensive. As much as six dollars per shaft depending on product type.
@@InsideOutPrecision Interesting. Are we talking about the same arrows? Easton match grade axis are around 140 a dozen and the RIP TKO Elite are about 210 a dozen. Both .001 and raw shafts. At least just about everywhere I look. Lancaster Archery generally sells everything at MSRP and that’s where these prices came from by way of comparison.
I know I have not killed as many animals as some, I'm sure I've killed more than some, but I cannot think of one animal albeit deer, bear or elk, Hitting trees rocks whatever. Been shooting gold tips for a long time with no fancy inserts and I cannot recall any breaking at the insert or splintering. That being said I realize that it is still the weakest spot, just have not witnessed any failures there. But I have also not killed every animal I have shot so could it have broke there? it is a possibility.
First! I’ve heard great things about them too. I ended up going with another dozen Axis 5mm match grades. Got a great deal on them. They’ve always flown good out of my Hoyts.
Did not know about the weave in the VAP SS! Cool technology. I will say this, the TKO version of their VAPs are very tough. I speculate it is something to do with the weave. Agreed on the Easton long range. They seemed weak but maybe it was the components.
I stopped using victory because of their insert/outserts. First few shots on a target seemed great. Eventually the halfouts would bend and accuracy is compromised. The shafts are great though. Now I just stick with standard size arrows mainly carnivore from be Quick story. I shot my biggest buck with RIP tko and a magnus two blade. First shot was a very bad shot. Couldn’t control my shaking. The arrow ripped through both legs, severing them. I caught up to him and put one in his heart. A year later I found the arrow. Had a little wobble because of the outsert but the shaft was in top shape.
Great video, thanks for all that info. I learned a lot, especially about the VAP SS. Not a fan of FMJs but will give the SS a good look now. Oh, gotta comment about the "American Made" Blazers on the imported arrow shafts 😉
My only problem with Victory and I haven’t had enough arrows for a big sample size test is the elites I thought would be decently straight even at full length I was expecting something like .003 instead of .001 but every one I’ve gotten included target arrows have been .005 or worse at full length and nock end on them is normally .005 is my experience. I love the arrows and quality of them and there GPI and specs but as a long draw guy man it kills me. The best overall arrows I’ve put in my own hands has been BE for the full length shaft straightness and overall arrow. Victory is my second choice for sure though. Just a weird thing the best dozen of arrows I’ve ever had in my hands is a set of Gold Tip 22’s I got off the Lancaster trailer at a ASA full shafts all .001 or less all within 1/2 a grain in weight so for that set I weighed every vane, bushing, nock, and point and got everything within a 1/2 grain for the full dozen I got like 3 packs of bushings nocks and points to do it but that dozen is money for the setup I have them for.
I shot the Victory VAP for a few years. Loved the arrows, did not like the lack of choice on quality components. Only one lighted nock works well on micro diameter arrows, and they are a little more pricey. I moved to Victory RIP arrows which are nice .204 diameter for this season. IMO, RIP and RIP TKO are the best arrows on the market for the price and quality. Out of 2 dozen RIP elites so far, I only had one not spin perfectly, and that one wasn't bad at all. The upside is I have more options for how I build the front end and there are more than one brand of capable, quality lighted nock in .204 diameter.
Those VAP SS have been bad ass for me in the last two seasons. As compared to an FMJ they are incredibly tough. I did switch out for Deep six nocks though.
I have shot all the big OEM's and only shoot Victory now. Why? Because I build what I shoot and victory builds arrows and components for arrow builders IMO. Great web site, lots of information and specs. And the components are built to size, not shaft type. So it's easy to know what will fit what. I shoot mostly 3D and indoor and have to say in my club over 50% of the line is shooting the V-tac 23's. Absolutely love the v-tac line.
Been shooting Victory arrows for years. They are amazing shafts, and are super tough. Their 3DHV 3d shafts are suuuuuper light and brought my remarkably slow Elite up to 300 fps. Never going to change brands, tried several but nothing comes close.
I swapped to these arrows last year kept breaking the Easton deep six arrows ( haven’t tried the new Axis 4mm yet) but I love my Victory VAP TKO elites with my 60 lb TRIAX & 27” draw I’m getting 277 fps I’ve yet to break one ( knock on wood lol) and they shoot great for me 👍👍
Aside from protecting the carbon is there any other advantages to the half out insert? I really like eastons hit insert because I’ve lost black eagles half out inserts in targets before and I like the range in weights for the hit inserts which victory seems to stop at 50 grains
Try ethics man. The half jackets are the best I've used. Try using 2 part apoxy (I use gorilla glue brand) and your inserts won't pull out. But yeah the point in an outsert or collar system is to make the end of the arrow tough. Hope this helped a little
@@Rowley96 I think you'll like them. But even if you don't wanna change inserts, definitely use a good quality 2 part epoxy. That insert pulling out crap will stop, now you'll never be able to change them though so keep that in mind
@@mikeguy9668 well this was before I built my own arrows. My local shop did them and I went back 2 or 3 times to get them to glue inserts back in and out of the dozen I think only 2 or 3 stayed in. (I’m not sure what they were using for adhesive at the time) My guess is just poor prepping and/or the cheap target I was using at the time. I’ve started using the bohning cool flex and haven’t had any issues since even with the hit inserts but never ran an outsert or half out because I didn’t want to lose them in the target again. I have to change my arrow setup this year because I’m over spined so I was going between the rip tkos and match grade axis, I’m just not sure if there was any advantage to using victory’s system if I went with them or just staying with the hit inserts
@@Rowley96 I see. I don't like hit inserts because all the pressure is on the carbon and that'll cause it to break. My experience with outserts has been outstanding. Man I've center punched rocks on pass throughs and not had arrows break or get the inserts bent, ( stainless not aluminum ) so for a hunting set up where who the hell knows what your gonna hit after a pass through they can't be beat
Do all these small diameter shafts require some style of outsert even for field points? I can’t imagine having to pull like crazy to get a target pointed arrow out of the 3- d targets.
How much does a dozen Vap SS gamers run just for shafts, no fletching. I live on the coast but go by G4 quite often! It's where I'll be going when I need a new string on my V3X.
So far I have only bought half a dozen of the Victory V Force 300s and I am kind of disappointed because I noticed upon shooting them into my target the fletchings coming loose from the shaft and trust me not from contact other than that they seem really good
We’ll that’s whoever built the arrows fault, not the shaft it’s self. Never buy pre fletched arrows. Someone builds them and if they’re being careless that will happen no matter what brand the shaft is
They are fine arrows for sure. I'm shooting sirius geminis right now and I love them. The half jacket inserts from ethics are the best I've seen. Expensive but hey it's only 💵 😂
They are. Rampage are very weak shafts. I destroyed a dozen of rampage just by shooting a block target. I’d choose rip over rampage any day. Tips are a little heavier though
I like the rip TKO I just couldn't do Easton for me personally the axis with the fiberglass inside the carbon wasn't for me I heated up and insert one time and pulled out and it was just like a string of fiberglass that pulled out of the carbon they are good arrows but I think victory is better
I've been shooting Victory for a few years now. My favorite are the RIP TKOs. At TAC, I could unscrew them from trees, put a new tip in, and keep going. I run both the 50 and 75 grain inserts. I can shoot either 125 or 150 grain heads, and they fly the same. 3DHVs were great for long range. They don't like to bend, but durable enough on impacts. I shoot the V-TAC 23s for 3D. Surprisingly durable. Haven't broken one yet, thanks to the pin nocks.
Just built my first set of victory arrows last night. V -TAC 23 gamers. Loved the spine indicator, assesories, and weight. I was very impressed with the Victory line up.
Love my VTAC 23's....
Great brand. Great people. Outstanding components which is why I go with Victory. The "ICE" coating on the TKO arrows makes them easier to pull out of targets too.
I've been shooting the scheels branded victory vendetta pros for about 3 yrs and I've had really good luck w them
Me too. Seems like the vanes that come with them keep changing with every box I buy though lol
I love Victory, especially the TKO series. I've found that standard diameter shafts are great for my purposes and the VF TKOs have been fantastic. I shot two deer with the same arrow so far this year and it's back in the quiver again for number 3.
I really liked the VAP SS, but didn't care for the .166 components. I may try the RIP TKOs in the future.
Cool review. Happy New Year.
FWIW, I shot Axis since they were first introduced. I’ve switched to the Victory simply because I wanted the stiff spine at a lower GPI to play around with point weight. Anyways, when you try to get apples to apples between Victory and Easton, Easton is substantially less expensive. As much as six dollars per shaft depending on product type.
Mmm the match grade axis are $220/doz. Rip Tkos are are 179.
@@InsideOutPrecision
Interesting. Are we talking about the same arrows?
Easton match grade axis are around 140 a dozen and the RIP TKO Elite are about 210 a dozen. Both .001 and raw shafts. At least just about everywhere I look.
Lancaster Archery generally sells everything at MSRP and that’s where these prices came from by way of comparison.
@@drewolm Match grade Easton axis are pushing $20 per arrow and then it's another $100/ dozen if you want the titanium half outs.
I always learn a ton from your videos thank you
Thanks for the very informative video !
I know I have not killed as many animals as some, I'm sure I've killed more than some, but I cannot think of one animal albeit deer, bear or elk,
Hitting trees rocks whatever. Been shooting gold tips for a long time with no fancy inserts and I cannot recall any breaking at the insert or splintering. That being said I realize that it is still the weakest spot, just have not witnessed any failures there. But I have also not killed every animal I have shot so could it have broke there? it is a possibility.
I believe they are 50gr aluminum inserts.
Great review as always man. I love Victory arrows. Been shooting them for several years
First! I’ve heard great things about them too. I ended up going with another dozen Axis 5mm match grades. Got a great deal on them. They’ve always flown good out of my Hoyts.
Did not know about the weave in the VAP SS! Cool technology. I will say this, the TKO version of their VAPs are very tough. I speculate it is something to do with the weave. Agreed on the Easton long range. They seemed weak but maybe it was the components.
All I shoot right now outta my three bows is victory and black eagle. Love them both!
Great video, man. Thanks much.
I stopped using victory because of their insert/outserts. First few shots on a target seemed great. Eventually the halfouts would bend and accuracy is compromised. The shafts are great though. Now I just stick with standard size arrows mainly carnivore from be
Quick story. I shot my biggest buck with RIP tko and a magnus two blade. First shot was a very bad shot. Couldn’t control my shaking. The arrow ripped through both legs, severing them. I caught up to him and put one in his heart. A year later I found the arrow. Had a little wobble because of the outsert but the shaft was in top shape.
I always thought this channel is great info but how did you forget about carbon express and goldtip as heavy hitters?
Are you offended?
@@christiantorres6118 why would I be offended I just have a different opinion are you offended because I have a different opinion
Gold tip makes a decent shaft. Carbon express is garbage though. Just a typical rolled carbon shaft
Great video, thanks for all that info. I learned a lot, especially about the VAP SS. Not a fan of FMJs but will give the SS a good look now. Oh, gotta comment about the "American Made" Blazers on the imported arrow shafts 😉
My only problem with Victory and I haven’t had enough arrows for a big sample size test is the elites I thought would be decently straight even at full length I was expecting something like .003 instead of .001 but every one I’ve gotten included target arrows have been .005 or worse at full length and nock end on them is normally .005 is my experience. I love the arrows and quality of them and there GPI and specs but as a long draw guy man it kills me. The best overall arrows I’ve put in my own hands has been BE for the full length shaft straightness and overall arrow. Victory is my second choice for sure though. Just a weird thing the best dozen of arrows I’ve ever had in my hands is a set of Gold Tip 22’s I got off the Lancaster trailer at a ASA full shafts all .001 or less all within 1/2 a grain in weight so for that set I weighed every vane, bushing, nock, and point and got everything within a 1/2 grain for the full dozen I got like 3 packs of bushings nocks and points to do it but that dozen is money for the setup I have them for.
I've tried multiple pins for pin nocks and Victory have the best .... no contest .... :) LOVE my Vaps ....
I've been shooting the Vap gamers 300 and 250. Great arrow. I want to try the tkos in 235.
I've ran them last year, well 2021, and they hit HARD. I used the VAP Elites
I shot the Victory VAP for a few years. Loved the arrows, did not like the lack of choice on quality components. Only one lighted nock works well on micro diameter arrows, and they are a little more pricey. I moved to Victory RIP arrows which are nice .204 diameter for this season. IMO, RIP and RIP TKO are the best arrows on the market for the price and quality. Out of 2 dozen RIP elites so far, I only had one not spin perfectly, and that one wasn't bad at all. The upside is I have more options for how I build the front end and there are more than one brand of capable, quality lighted nock in .204 diameter.
An arrow manufacturer that spinal lines there arrows from the factory so you don't have to is the next best thing to sliced bread
Happy new year hope everyone has a great year
Those VAP SS have been bad ass for me in the last two seasons. As compared to an FMJ they are incredibly tough. I did switch out for Deep six nocks though.
Shoot RIP TKO's and the RIP's. Great arrows, tough as hell.
I have shot all the big OEM's and only shoot Victory now. Why? Because I build what I shoot and victory builds arrows and components for arrow builders IMO. Great web site, lots of information and specs. And the components are built to size, not shaft type. So it's easy to know what will fit what. I shoot mostly 3D and indoor and have to say in my club over 50% of the line is shooting the V-tac 23's. Absolutely love the v-tac line.
I really need to make to out to G4, heard nothing but great things about the shop. Bought my boots from them at the sportsman show
So honest question if you use aftermarket insert/outsert system do you think the Easton 4mm are better than the Victory 4mm?
Been shooting Victory arrows for years. They are amazing shafts, and are super tough. Their 3DHV 3d shafts are suuuuuper light and brought my remarkably slow Elite up to 300 fps. Never going to change brands, tried several but nothing comes close.
Can you help me figure out what spine I need 28 in draw 65 lbs 125 points. Looking for rip tko thanks
I swapped to these arrows last year kept breaking the Easton deep six arrows ( haven’t tried the new Axis 4mm yet) but I love my Victory VAP TKO elites with my 60 lb TRIAX & 27” draw I’m getting 277 fps I’ve yet to break one ( knock on wood lol) and they shoot great for me 👍👍
Just got a dozen VAP TKO love them
Aside from protecting the carbon is there any other advantages to the half out insert? I really like eastons hit insert because I’ve lost black eagles half out inserts in targets before and I like the range in weights for the hit inserts which victory seems to stop at 50 grains
Try ethics man. The half jackets are the best I've used. Try using 2 part apoxy (I use gorilla glue brand) and your inserts won't pull out. But yeah the point in an outsert or collar system is to make the end of the arrow tough. Hope this helped a little
@@mikeguy9668thanks boss! I’ll give them a look
@@Rowley96 I think you'll like them. But even if you don't wanna change inserts, definitely use a good quality 2 part epoxy. That insert pulling out crap will stop, now you'll never be able to change them though so keep that in mind
@@mikeguy9668 well this was before I built my own arrows. My local shop did them and I went back 2 or 3 times to get them to glue inserts back in and out of the dozen I think only 2 or 3 stayed in. (I’m not sure what they were using for adhesive at the time) My guess is just poor prepping and/or the cheap target I was using at the time. I’ve started using the bohning cool flex and haven’t had any issues since even with the hit inserts but never ran an outsert or half out because I didn’t want to lose them in the target again. I have to change my arrow setup this year because I’m over spined so I was going between the rip tkos and match grade axis, I’m just not sure if there was any advantage to using victory’s system if I went with them or just staying with the hit inserts
@@Rowley96 I see. I don't like hit inserts because all the pressure is on the carbon and that'll cause it to break. My experience with outserts has been outstanding. Man I've center punched rocks on pass throughs and not had arrows break or get the inserts bent, ( stainless not aluminum ) so for a hunting set up where who the hell knows what your gonna hit after a pass through they can't be beat
7:15 - Since when does the vap ss come with a 50gr titanium insert? It is a 50gr aluminum insert listed on the victory website
Do you cut down the arrow like normal or do consider the the length of half out insert when deciding the cut length!
Do all these small diameter shafts require some style of outsert even for field points? I can’t imagine having to pull like crazy to get a target pointed arrow out of the 3- d targets.
How much does a dozen Vap SS gamers run just for shafts, no fletching. I live on the coast but go by G4 quite often! It's where I'll be going when I need a new string on my V3X.
Victory is all I shoot. Vap ss can take some punishment. I’ve had the same dozen for awhile now. Hard to break them.
Surprised you didn't mention Carbon Express as an elite arrow company with the others.
So far I have only bought half a dozen of the Victory V Force 300s and I am kind of disappointed because I noticed upon shooting them into my target the fletchings coming loose from the shaft and trust me not from contact other than that they seem really good
We’ll that’s whoever built the arrows fault, not the shaft it’s self. Never buy pre fletched arrows. Someone builds them and if they’re being careless that will happen no matter what brand the shaft is
I am trying the podium archery titanium in/outserts on my rips
What is your thoughts on the RIP XV's?
What about day six arrows are they any good
Grizzly stik momentum are also made by victory.
Do you have a website to order stuff like those arrows from?
VAP SS reminds me of Easton ACC & ACEs.
Do you have any opinion on the Sirius archery arrows?
They are fine arrows for sure. I'm shooting sirius geminis right now and I love them. The half jacket inserts from ethics are the best I've seen. Expensive but hey it's only 💵 😂
RIP TKO’s with TAC Veins 🤙
Thanks for the video! Do you think the rip tkos are more durable then a black eagle rampage?
They are. Rampage are very weak shafts. I destroyed a dozen of rampage just by shooting a block target. I’d choose rip over rampage any day. Tips are a little heavier though
Good morning 🏹
You gonna get the RIP SS?
Best arrows...
What ones are they that you have in your hand ?
VAP ss
I like the rip TKO I just couldn't do Easton for me personally the axis with the fiberglass inside the carbon wasn't for me I heated up and insert one time and pulled out and it was just like a string of fiberglass that pulled out of the carbon they are good arrows but I think victory is better
I thought the insert that came with the vap ss was aluminum? Huh guess I suck
The 50 grain ones are. The 75 and 95 are stainless
hey i got a trx 38 gen 1 shooting about 52-55 pounds and 29in draw was looking to grab the 27s vtac you think that's a good fit?
Yeah I’d run them a little long, like 30.5 or 31 with a 250 gr point. They’re really stiff
25s would probably shoot a little better
run 250 grain points with the 25s also?
@@mattatwater6945 probably just 200s
Cut at 29
Best I could tell victory marks the weak side
I have shoot a vap throw a skill saw blade at 30 yards
got to convince me that 60# draw weight can kill anything on this planet ,then ill back down from 75 which i think might be over kill !!!
60lbs out of a modern bow is is much faster than any recurve or compound pre 2005. Shot placement wins over power every time
Victory > Easton imo
Victory makes great shafts, but I will stick with Easton. Why? Becuase FUCKING AMERICA! That is why.
Regardless where they made, Americans are profiting from sales and distribution. I don’t disagree with you just saying
Michael, I hope your battle against the world is going well!