Running RIP TKOs with standard components and 100 grain points. TAC 2.75 driver vanes, 3 fletch. Total arrow weight 435 +/- 1 grain. Got pass-throughs on both whitetail I shot this year at about 20 yards. Both recovered within 35 yards 💪🏼🙏🏻
I personally would run Podium Ti inserts and collars for either, so that is where I prefer RIP TKOs. Best combo of durability and GPI of any arrow on the market. Spine aligned and coating are just pluses. That being said, if Easton comes out with a Sonic 5mm that is comparable GPI with the made in the USA stamp, they could steal a large share of the 5mm market back from other manufacturers like Victory.
I've shot both these arrows, and the TKO Elite is a stronger, better arrow in my opinion. The TKO will out penetrate the Match grade Axis. Dont get me wrong you cant go wrong with either arrow but the Axis has the HIT insert and just like the Easton Injection arrows if you shoot alot overr time the Axis will develope small stress cracks on the end of the arrow inless you run the RPS insert which will mean you got to run the Deep 6 threads or as you stated some sort of outsert. As far as durability, the TKO is the stronger, more durable arrow hands down. Ive been shooting the TKO Elite arrows for 3 years now and have yet to have a single outsert pull off or had any problems with these arrows or their components as long as they are properly prepped and assembled.......Great videos, just sharing my opinion and personal expierances.
Your the best man i look forward to every video , i just gotta save up again and start practicing and tinkering . Just wanted to say thank you for everything you do for our archery community!
Both are fantastic. I shoot the Victory VAP SS with custom inserts. The VAP inserts that come with with the shafts are 50 grain aluminum; not great. But, there are tons of options our there by Ethics Archery, Podium, etc. These shafts are expensive. Thanks Dan another vid.
I've shot the easton axis 5mm 340 for 20 plus years. Loved em. Love the easton axis 4mm with Titanium outsert even more. They blow threw animals a bit better and are miserable pull out of targets. Arrow lube!
I am shooting the VAP's this year. What I started doing, was to shoot the standard inserts from Victory for practice and Podiums titanium ones for hunting. since they are the same weight, it makes it so I don't have to spend a ton on my practice arrows to get everything sighted in and if I bend the insert I can just re-hotmelt a new one in. For hunting its 100% the titanium insert only. Super glad MFJJ makes his inserts for the 4mm's now!
One thing to consider on whitetail is how fast they can “jump the string” at the sound of the arrow coming at them. Which in reality they don’t jump, they drop, tremendously and get the heck out of dodge. The body size on whitetail is a lot smaller than elk as well so you’ll have a lot less room for error. I think the 440 gr arrow you shoot elk with will be just as deadly on the whitetail and will be a little flatter shooting. Just my experience on whitetail arrow weights and seeing how much they move while the arrow is in flight. Great Video, Awesome content, keep ‘em coming. Enjoy watching your channel Dan.
@@williedunn-rj6nq My current arrow weight is 476gr and shooting 280fps. Haven’t missed a critter yet. They still drop lower when they hear the arrow coming. I’ll be playing with a lighter weight arrow next year, 410-440gr just to get a flatter trajectory out at further distances. A.B.T.👍🏻 Heavier arrows absorb more of the energy of the bow than lighter arrows do, hence why the Bow is quieter at the shot with heavier arrows, not the arrow while in flight. The noise of the arrow comes from arrow diameter, fletching material, size and shape as well as broad head type, shape material and design.
I used 5mm axis long range last year had great success with whitetails, ran the victory RIP TKO this year, shot three Deer with same arrow, I feel the durability is better in Victory arrows. Definitely a fan of podium Ti halfouts/collars! Keep up the good work
So one thing I noticed between the axis and rip is the blood on the arrow shaft after the shot. With the ceramic coating i had very little blood on the shafts on the 2 deer i killed this year, but the axis was covered in blood on the 2 i harvested last year. I also used bohning heat vanes and tac vanes this year with similar results with not much blood sticking to them, but softer material like max stealth showed more blood. All 4 shots were through the triangle of death, have you noticed this?
the victory's are harder to get in Canada and quite a bit more expensive. I wanted a slightly lighter arrow, but ended up with the axis 340 spine 28" carbon to carbon, easton knocks, 4 bohning heat vanes, standard HIT insert, 125 grain point. came in at 444 grains, and about 14% FOC. i could switch to a 3 fletch blazer vane and lose 6 grains off the back, but the heats are stiffer and quieter i think.
The rip tko have been great for me. My arrows are 475. I’m using the stock inserts that come with them. 5 whitetail with them this year and they have been holding up well. Broke one after passing through 3 deer. Snapped a few inches from fletching because I shot him in the shoulder quarrying to. Broke a second one on a spine shot that passed through the shoulder blade first. It sheared off 8” up the shaft due to the shoulder. Shot a doe a few nights ago and broke both her front legs just above the knuckles. Arrow perfectly fine even though I didn’t get a pass through. This same arrow has passed through a buck earlier in the season. Obviously I would prefer to avoid bone, but considering my failure to do so, I can say anecdotally they have been durable with the stock 50g half out inserts that come with the fletched arrows.
Good info, I've had good luck with the standard rips and they come with nice ss inserts instead of the aluminum the tko uses. Not sure why the better inserts come with the lower price version of rip arrows
My Axis weight is 440 to 450 depending on my Vanes, i use two, Blazers and AAE max stealth’s, the broad determines which vane. I’m considering trying Day Six XD shafts for 5mm, if so my system will be down to 415-420ish. In the end do you and always be tinkering.
Man just getting into archery and I know bullets but I watched a thp podcast with ranch fairy and learned a lot. Most my knowledge translates to an arrow but shooting a Mathew’s switchback and cheap arrows till I get more trigger time. I don’t see me building anything over a cheap carbon express for a bit.
in my testing the rips have been more durable and tune a lot easier, my axis were throwing wildly different paper tears arrow to arrow even after playing with knocks. Hard to get away from the rip tko's. edit on components: I'm throwing away anything coming with any arrow from the factory. every manufacturer. Ethics or iron wills only for me.
I shoot the gold tip black labels. 340 spine. 485 grains. DCA super sabre vanes with 3 degree right off set. I love how they are flying. im think at 16% foc.
dan I pray you see this. what do you say about the rip tko vs vap tko with fmjj ti insert. does it hold up in 4mm now or should I just get rip tko with his insert?
so rip tko vs axis 5mm. Rip tko all day because they pull out of every target 10x easier. And you cant compare rip tko/axis 5mm vs easton axis long range 4mm without considering victory vap tko 4mm. Factory insert/outsert/halfout for victory or easton are equal in my eyes. Ppl say the rip tko halfout are great and some say they suck and this goes for the easton hit insert just as well.
For anyone worried about the price for Victory RIP TKOs. You can also get the Victory RIPs. The price point is awesome (about 40-$50 difference per dozen). Same dimensions and weight to the TKO counterpart. Nano coating, spine aligned, and only thing missing is that fancy "woven" look. I use the RIPs for off season reps and start moving towards my TKOs closer to hunt time. Easton Axis 5mm are also solid arrows. Mahalos Dan again for an awesome upload. I never knew Victory arrows were built out of country.
RIP TKO 250 with 100 grains of insert and collar and 125 Iron Will Wides. 553 grains total moving at 283fps. I killed a few deer with standard single bevel and a wides. I’ve had not much blood and died inside of 40 yards and unbelievable red carpets for 200 yards. Like you said, all depends on what gets cut. I have all the faith in this arrow setup that it would go through basically anything.
Funny you post this. Been going back and forth between both arrows myself. I'm worried the axis is going to push my weight too heavy. The TKO should keep me in a 450-475 grain range which keeps me in a decent speed range. I just love Easton though. Currently shooting the 6.5s.
Love victory arrows since i switched from easton, but first thing i did was get Ethics insert and collar. Even tho its still aluminum its a much better system and the post goes way further into the arrow then i hot melt the collar over that. This was before MFJJ had the titanium half outs. It comes to 65 grains total with collar
I run axis long range 4mm with the aluminum half outs with 100g expandable, I shoot targets out to 100yds and have blew threw 5 deer since I started using these arrows ! Furthest was a 42 yd pass through! The Easton axis long range does not have a seam! You don’t have to nock tune them! My total arrow weighs 415grains! I shoot blazers on a helical! 29” 68 lbs 289fps
I use the VAP TKO's, and have found that thr aluminum outserts bend over time. That ruins arrows. I have shot Easton titanium halfouts the last 2 yrs, and the problem has gone away. It makes for an expensive arrow, but when you put so much time and effort into hunting elk. Why take chances
I tried the rip tko myself but hated how much money I was putting into an arrow that might break shooting target or an animal. I would rather spend money on good broadheads and components for my bow. I went with the Easton sonics. 6mm yes but brass inserts the sit flush against the shaft, thicker walls, and very affordable especially their match grade. I use their normal grade for practice so if I break one no big deal. So far loving them and they tuned up great on the v3x, 75lb, 30 inch draw. Arrow ended up around 477 and it’s a laser at that weight.
If anyone is wondering what the toughest 4mm shaft out there is, should look no further than the black eagle deep impacts they are a heavier GPI but they're literally almost impossible to break!. I can 100% garuntee they will be the toughest arrow you've ever shot.
Honestly I don't think there will be any noticeable real-world difference in penetration and "hitting harder" with a 35 grain difference. If you jumped up 100 grains, maybe, MAYBE you'd notice a difference on an animal, but 35 grains is practically nothing. I'd opt for the 420-440 grain option over the 470+ for deer.
Hey, Have you tried the Victory SS? V1 or V3 ( 31 shaft with 125 gr broadhead will be 509 grains) , a great trajectory and flight, the penetration is obsolete
I bought 6 Easton axis 5mm 300gr arrows about 5 months ago cost me about $117 not including fletching, and cutting and now that being said. I’ve had a horrible time. First time I buy high-quality? I get problems. The inserts sink in to where I can get field tips to work but not broadheads. Bow Shop fixed it once. Now they said if they try to fix it again it’ll ruin arrows. Problem. 2 and the most irritating. I’ve Went back like six or so. Time’s to get fletching redone because they keep falling off. I’ve asked if they could strip them completely off and see if they could get any extra residue or carbon off. But it doesn’t seem. To happen. I’m thinking about buying my own jig and starting to do it myself, I’ve spent a butt load of money. And I’m probably just going to scrap those arrows. Down the drain I probably have 300+ with gas
Learn to do everything yourself if you are even remotely mechanically inclined... it will pay off ten fold in a year or two, and you will realize that WAY too many shops don't know enough to be working on peoples gear. I understand they cant all hire the top archers in the country and they need to sell and work on peoples bows.... so I understand WHY some shops are lacking in their knowledge and they have to do the best they can with who they have... I guess I just think more people should be willing to learn how to do things themselves. The archery world in general has a lot of horrible information and it took me a good 4 years of doing my own work before I realized how much the information out there is lacking. The facebook groups they have on bow tuning and stuff are pretty bad too. Honestly, it may sound kinda crappy, but there are too many hunters these days that have been shooting once a week for a couple years that think they know everything to the point of being argumentative and arrogant. I am glad to see archery growing and the more people the better... When it comes to learning about bows and equipment, listen to the target guys that have been shooting for many years. Those are the guys that are shooting 200 arrows a day and working on their equipment constantly. There are plenty of long time hunters that know there stuff too, such as mfjj... he gives pretty solid information. If you get yourself a bow press, arrow saw, fletching jig and some hand tools... it will pay for itself in no time if you are heavily into archery. No need to drive anywhere and pay someone... the other bonus is you will end up with a bow that is set up and tuned better than 90% of people of there that rely on shops. Good luck man... dont be afraid to do the work yourself... jump in, make mistakes, learn from them, and in time you will be better than any shop tech around you.
Would you be able to look into Sirius Orion really curious what you think you could do your same exact rip tko build but in a 4mm with Snyder core system
One thing I see getting overlooked often, is how close is the actual spine to what the manufacture says it is, and how consistent is it across the entire dozen?
I currently shoot a 435gr arrow 340 spine Axis with a 70lb bow and 29" draw. My question is can I get away with a 340 spine on a new 80lb bow or should I go with a 300 spine arrow?
I ran the 4mm axis longe range this year I broke a lot of those arrows! Before that I ran the x impacts and I honestly loved them I just like to try new things! Always tinker that’s what they say right? Now I’m stuck between the rip to and gap tko. Anyone have any advice. I need a 300 spine and the rip is lighter there. But what I’m mainly worried about is what insert I should use on which one. I’d like to be able to get out to 100 yards when I practice. Will be shooting 80lbs and 28.5 inch draw. If anyone can help me it is much appreciated
I'm wondering why anyone would choose the axis over other lighter and just as durable options. Lighter gpi is an all around positive given similar durability. So why not put the weight where you want it? The regular RIPs come with pretty decent steel inserts. Add an aluminum footer and you have one hell of a durable arrow.
Im not a good enough archer yet to justify the match grades but iv been liking the axis so far. I just wish i could get a sub 500 grain arrow without giving up the halfouts. Im 29.5" carbon to carbon
I really like my Victory RIP TKO Gamer 300s. When I bought my first newer bow after 15 years of using a PSE from 2006-2021, I decided to switch to a new arrow for my new bow. After high praises from you and some other experienced hunters I went with the value packed Victory ✌🏻 arrows. The Easton Axis 5mm is and was high on my list. I appreciate that they are made in the USA 🇺🇸. The biggest difference to me between these two outside of the nano coating is the 2 GPI difference in 300 spine arrows. 10.7 Axis vs 8.8 RIP TKO. I should upgrade the insert/outsert for next year and I would like to get heavier in the broadhead than the standard 100s, a heavier sturdier sharp fixed blade is going to last longer and have better terminal performance on game in most situations. The broadhead is the killing part of the arrow. So the lighter GPI arrow affords me to do that without going too far out of the balanced bell 🔔 curve for my arrows. I currently only hunt whitetail deer 🦌 and I am hoping in the near future to try archery elk, mule deer 🦌, pronghorn and black bear 🐻. My current arrow weight is 476 grain with 100 grain G5 Montec M3s and a lighted nock. 29.5 inch draw at 65 lbs. They fly well to 40, but I have yet to stretch the legs on my setup and skill set but want to this spring and summer 💪🏻😎🏹
@@ElkShape well thank you 🙏 Dan. You are the same with a literal ton more experience killing big animals and competing in TAC with friends, etc… I have learned a lot from watching you guys, Podium Archer, Ranch Fairy, Average Jack Archery 🏹 plus a little tinkering comparison with my cousin. Thanks 🙏 for sharing your thoughts and experiences with us all. 😎🏹
I would love to see you and MFJJ address IBO speed in a video. I would love to run a 475-500 grain arrow bc all i hunt is white tail and I’m not taking far shots but with my bows ibo the calculator says I’d only be pushing 230fps whereas someone with a bow pushing 350 IBO would be pushing 270. Should i build a lighter arrow in the 425 range and get the faster speed or build one in the heavier range for white tail?
I think victory just makes a more rugged arrow. I’ve managed to break any and everything I’ve shot from Easton. Victory for the win in my opinion. I vote you do a durability test Easton 4 and 5 mm VS victory 4 and 5 mm. I’d take the TKO and the VAP 100% .
I doubt this . I have axis ive been shooting for 10 years and tbey still spin straight as any elite arrow i can buy. Id like to try the tko, looks pretty awesome and ive shot the vaps and i use xv’s for 3d so i know victory is good. Just would never bet against the axis arrows
Hey dude haven't used the tko's but was going to do the same test now that I have somewhere other then online for me to get them but currently running the axis 4 mm and love them...I will say and I only know from what I've endured and that's that even the Easton fmj just don't seem to be as strong as the used to be might just be me
I believe they are constructed in the states, but carbon shafts are made in Mexico, with the carbon material from Vietnam, by supplier Aldila. I could be wrong, just what I have found through some basic research.
Man I don't understand why you don't use the Victory Vap SS arrow? I have a 29 inch draw length and my arrows are 451 grains with the MfJJ titanium insert and lighted nocks. You won't find a stronger arrow, unless you spend 600 bucks a dozen. The draw length you have, you could build a really nice arrow.
I’ve been shooting the Easton axis for several years now, but want to switch over to the RIPS just to have an overall lighter arrow with better FOC. Only drawback is the price of those RIP TKOs 😂
Yep. You just helped me decide. Going with the Easton Axis 5mm. For 2 reasons that you brought up. Made in the US and better components. Even though they don't come spine aligned like the TKO's. Neither were the Gold Tip's I shoot now. Thanks for doing this video.
I shot the axis and then switched to the RIP TKO, however I put the Brass HIT insert into the RIP TKOs. Ultimately saved me 50 grains in carbon which allowed for more FOC and tighter pin gaps. Actually shot a 3.5 year old midwest whitetail with the RIPs tipped with Iron Will Wide 125g which blew through both scapulas and nicked the spine (high shot).
@cflaherty85 Very cool. I'm right at 15% FOC with my Gold Tip Hunter XT's tipped with Stinger Buzzcut 125gr 4 blades. I figured if I can get the same with a 5mm, I'd have a pretty flat shooting arrow. I do want to try those Iron Will Wides though.
@papaschuette I have the 125gr wide, which are vented by design. I'd recommend getting a non vented head as the vented are extremely loud in flight. 150g wide is solid or any of the double bevel or single bevels are solid. Get a stay sharp guide and pretty simple to ReSharpen and keep them oiled to prevent patina.
@cflaherty85 I appreciate you bringing up that the 125's are vented. Just means I'm gonna have to bump up to the 150gr single bevel lefts. Definitely don't need any extra noise. I wonder why they made the 125's vented like that?
hey man are you ands mfjj going to alaska to hunt caribou anytime that would be an awesome ep of the channel love the channel informative entertaining just cool always waiting for next epsiode big fan from Australia keep the bangers comin man love it
Interesting video. FWIW, I shot the Axis since the inception up until about 2 years ago. I wanted a lighter GPI so, after a lot of spending and testing I wound up with the RIP TKO. Just a couple of months ago I decided to go back to a standard diameter arrow and bought some VF TKO. In my experience, even with the "Elite" Victory's, I've had to nock tune the hell out of these. Don't remember ever needing to do that with the Axis. That spine align is their version the Carbon Express spine B.S. that's all it is. BS. Other than all that, Victory is a great arrow.
My shop said they are seeing variance and quality control issues with the RIPs lately. Now, I end up cutting 3-3.5 inches off the end to get to my arrow length. Can you comment on what you have seen as well as the durability?
Man, I’m really starting to notice where the sponsor money is coming from. “This arrow over here is better by every metric, but I’m choosing the other one” 🤦🏼♂️😂 And an Axis arrow is not woven. Those two carbons are not even close to the same. I also found it interesting that No mention was made about the inserts that come standard with the Victory shafts. It’s of notable value IMO.
Dan, you need to do a showdown between the New Easton 5.0 and the Victory HLR. Inquiring minds would like to see an accuracy and durability test.
Running RIP TKOs with standard components and 100 grain points. TAC 2.75 driver vanes, 3 fletch. Total arrow weight 435 +/- 1 grain. Got pass-throughs on both whitetail I shot this year at about 20 yards. Both recovered within 35 yards 💪🏼🙏🏻
I personally would run Podium Ti inserts and collars for either, so that is where I prefer RIP TKOs. Best combo of durability and GPI of any arrow on the market. Spine aligned and coating are just pluses.
That being said, if Easton comes out with a Sonic 5mm that is comparable GPI with the made in the USA stamp, they could steal a large share of the 5mm market back from other manufacturers like Victory.
Amen
I've shot both these arrows, and the TKO Elite is a stronger, better arrow in my opinion. The TKO will out penetrate the Match grade Axis. Dont get me wrong you cant go wrong with either arrow but the Axis has the HIT insert and just like the Easton Injection arrows if you shoot alot overr time the Axis will develope small stress cracks on the end of the arrow inless you run the RPS insert which will mean you got to run the Deep 6 threads or as you stated some sort of outsert. As far as durability, the TKO is the stronger, more durable arrow hands down. Ive been shooting the TKO Elite arrows for 3 years now and have yet to have a single outsert pull off or had any problems with these arrows or their components as long as they are properly prepped and assembled.......Great videos, just sharing my opinion and personal expierances.
Your the best man i look forward to every video , i just gotta save up again and start practicing and tinkering . Just wanted to say thank you for everything you do for our archery community!
Both are fantastic. I shoot the Victory VAP SS with custom inserts. The VAP inserts that come with with the shafts are 50 grain aluminum; not great. But, there are tons of options our there by Ethics Archery, Podium, etc. These shafts are expensive. Thanks Dan another vid.
I've shot the easton axis 5mm 340 for 20 plus years. Loved em. Love the easton axis 4mm with Titanium outsert even more. They blow threw animals a bit better and are miserable pull out of targets. Arrow lube!
I am shooting the VAP's this year. What I started doing, was to shoot the standard inserts from Victory for practice and Podiums titanium ones for hunting. since they are the same weight, it makes it so I don't have to spend a ton on my practice arrows to get everything sighted in and if I bend the insert I can just re-hotmelt a new one in. For hunting its 100% the titanium insert only. Super glad MFJJ makes his inserts for the 4mm's now!
PRO Move! -DS
Finally, someone else who’s arrows I can look at and say “are those crossbow bolts?” Short draw for the win!
One thing to consider on whitetail is how fast they can “jump the string” at the sound of the arrow coming at them. Which in reality they don’t jump, they drop, tremendously and get the heck out of dodge. The body size on whitetail is a lot smaller than elk as well so you’ll have a lot less room for error. I think the 440 gr arrow you shoot elk with will be just as deadly on the whitetail and will be a little flatter shooting. Just my experience on whitetail arrow weights and seeing how much they move while the arrow is in flight. Great Video, Awesome content, keep ‘em coming. Enjoy watching your channel Dan.
Idc what your arrow speed is you can’t beat a deer jumping the string. Heavier arrows are quieter btw
If that were true trad guys would never kill a deer LOL
@@williedunn-rj6nq My current arrow weight is 476gr and shooting 280fps. Haven’t missed a critter yet. They still drop lower when they hear the arrow coming. I’ll be playing with a lighter weight arrow next year, 410-440gr just to get a flatter trajectory out at further distances. A.B.T.👍🏻 Heavier arrows absorb more of the energy of the bow than lighter arrows do, hence why the Bow is quieter at the shot with heavier arrows, not the arrow while in flight. The noise of the arrow comes from arrow diameter, fletching material, size and shape as well as broad head type, shape material and design.
This is true. I have seen this once, buck was coming very cautious and ducked me at 40 yards. Not sure about my arrow speed.
I’d be willing to bet there’s less than 3% of archers than can out shoot a .003 straightness arrow 😂
USA made only! Easton All the Way!
Hey Dan love the channel! I still shoot the fmj’s but in a 4mm match grade. Weighing in at 520 grains they penetrate just about anything in their way.
I used 5mm axis long range last year had great success with whitetails, ran the victory RIP TKO this year, shot three Deer with same arrow, I feel the durability is better in Victory arrows. Definitely a fan of podium Ti halfouts/collars! Keep up the good work
One of the better ElkShape videos. Thanks. thumbs up.
So one thing I noticed between the axis and rip is the blood on the arrow shaft after the shot. With the ceramic coating i had very little blood on the shafts on the 2 deer i killed this year, but the axis was covered in blood on the 2 i harvested last year. I also used bohning heat vanes and tac vanes this year with similar results with not much blood sticking to them, but softer material like max stealth showed more blood. All 4 shots were through the triangle of death, have you noticed this?
You should try the Easton 5mm half out insert with the Rip TKO 5mm. Mine shoot great with that set up.
the victory's are harder to get in Canada and quite a bit more expensive. I wanted a slightly lighter arrow, but ended up with the axis 340 spine 28" carbon to carbon, easton knocks, 4 bohning heat vanes, standard HIT insert, 125 grain point. came in at 444 grains, and about 14% FOC. i could switch to a 3 fletch blazer vane and lose 6 grains off the back, but the heats are stiffer and quieter i think.
I’m running the rips with eastons inserts. Bent a couple of victory stainless inserts and went to the eastons and no issues so far.
I'm rocking 403grain "Rip XV" 300 with 175 up front 28.5" @72lbs never had a problem clobbering all game. Victory sells Easton their carbon BTW.
I agree. With white tail you need as fast as possible.
Im running the same set up.
Titanium Half Out.
343 grains, 15% f.o c
Axis are made in America by Easton…..
@@michaelcolthart4006 True with carbon purchased for victory, you'd be surprised how many companies get their carbon from victory.
@@markt800 technically Mitsubishi is where the carbon for Victory comes from, and they make a lot of golf club shafts as well.
The rip tko have been great for me. My arrows are 475. I’m using the stock inserts that come with them. 5 whitetail with them this year and they have been holding up well.
Broke one after passing through 3 deer. Snapped a few inches from fletching because I shot him in the shoulder quarrying to.
Broke a second one on a spine shot that passed through the shoulder blade first. It sheared off 8” up the shaft due to the shoulder.
Shot a doe a few nights ago and broke both her front legs just above the knuckles. Arrow perfectly fine even though I didn’t get a pass through. This same arrow has passed through a buck earlier in the season.
Obviously I would prefer to avoid bone, but considering my failure to do so, I can say anecdotally they have been durable with the stock 50g half out inserts that come with the fletched arrows.
What broadheads are you running?
@@dgorman13 Magnus Black Hornet.
Thanks for doing this video I just started looking at the rip tko 2 days ago compared to my axis which I shoot now
Good info, I've had good luck with the standard rips and they come with nice ss inserts instead of the aluminum the tko uses. Not sure why the better inserts come with the lower price version of rip arrows
My Axis weight is 440 to 450 depending on my Vanes, i use two, Blazers and AAE max stealth’s, the broad determines which vane. I’m considering trying Day Six XD shafts for 5mm, if so my system will be down to 415-420ish. In the end do you and always be tinkering.
With a draw length of 27” what are you arrow lengths cut too? Carbon to carbon?
Man just getting into archery and I know bullets but I watched a thp podcast with ranch fairy and learned a lot. Most my knowledge translates to an arrow but shooting a Mathew’s switchback and cheap arrows till I get more trigger time. I don’t see me building anything over a cheap carbon express for a bit.
in my testing the rips have been more durable and tune a lot easier, my axis were throwing wildly different paper tears arrow to arrow even after playing with knocks. Hard to get away from the rip tko's. edit on components: I'm throwing away anything coming with any arrow from the factory. every manufacturer. Ethics or iron wills only for me.
I shoot the gold tip black labels. 340 spine. 485 grains. DCA super sabre vanes with 3 degree right off set. I love how they are flying. im think at 16% foc.
dan I pray you see this. what do you say about the rip tko vs vap tko with fmjj ti insert. does it hold up in 4mm now or should I just get rip tko with his insert?
Great informational video Thank you Dan
so rip tko vs axis 5mm. Rip tko all day because they pull out of every target 10x easier. And you cant compare rip tko/axis 5mm vs easton axis long range 4mm without considering victory vap tko 4mm. Factory insert/outsert/halfout for victory or easton are equal in my eyes. Ppl say the rip tko halfout are great and some say they suck and this goes for the easton hit insert just as well.
For anyone worried about the price for Victory RIP TKOs. You can also get the Victory RIPs. The price point is awesome (about 40-$50 difference per dozen). Same dimensions and weight to the TKO counterpart. Nano coating, spine aligned, and only thing missing is that fancy "woven" look. I use the RIPs for off season reps and start moving towards my TKOs closer to hunt time. Easton Axis 5mm are also solid arrows. Mahalos Dan again for an awesome upload. I never knew Victory arrows were built out of country.
plus the stainless inserts come included with the standard rip!
RIP TKO 250 with 100 grains of insert and collar and 125 Iron Will Wides. 553 grains total moving at 283fps. I killed a few deer with standard single bevel and a wides. I’ve had not much blood and died inside of 40 yards and unbelievable red carpets for 200 yards. Like you said, all depends on what gets cut. I have all the faith in this arrow setup that it would go through basically anything.
I’ve moved on from Victory and their outsert system to G5 arrows and I’m very happy with their system so far.
Dean you the man! -DS
Thanks for the video. Great stuff!
Funny you post this. Been going back and forth between both arrows myself. I'm worried the axis is going to push my weight too heavy. The TKO should keep me in a 450-475 grain range which keeps me in a decent speed range. I just love Easton though. Currently shooting the 6.5s.
Components can really make or break( no pun intended) the arrow. I like victory also but had component issues. Great video. Thanks for the input.
Thanks! -DS
Love victory arrows since i switched from easton, but first thing i did was get Ethics insert and collar. Even tho its still aluminum its a much better system and the post goes way further into the arrow then i hot melt the collar over that. This was before MFJJ had the titanium half outs. It comes to 65 grains total with collar
What is that insert glue you are using?
I use the g5 blue glue ! Works great for halfouts
I run axis long range 4mm with the aluminum half outs with 100g expandable, I shoot targets out to 100yds and have blew threw 5 deer since I started using these arrows ! Furthest was a 42 yd pass through! The Easton axis long range does not have a seam! You don’t have to nock tune them! My total arrow weighs 415grains! I shoot blazers on a helical! 29” 68 lbs 289fps
Dan the man!! So thankful for your content
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I use the VAP TKO's, and have found that thr aluminum outserts bend over time. That ruins arrows. I have shot Easton titanium halfouts the last 2 yrs, and the problem has gone away. It makes for an expensive arrow, but when you put so much time and effort into hunting elk. Why take chances
I dig it! -DS
Gotta go with Easton simply because they are made in the USA and that has value.
What’s a good gain arrow shooting 65# bow, and a balance between elk and deer. I don’t wanna swap arrows
I tried the rip tko myself but hated how much money I was putting into an arrow that might break shooting target or an animal. I would rather spend money on good broadheads and components for my bow. I went with the Easton sonics. 6mm yes but brass inserts the sit flush against the shaft, thicker walls, and very affordable especially their match grade. I use their normal grade for practice so if I break one no big deal. So far loving them and they tuned up great on the v3x, 75lb, 30 inch draw. Arrow ended up around 477 and it’s a laser at that weight.
If anyone is wondering what the toughest 4mm shaft out there is, should look no further than the black eagle deep impacts they are a heavier GPI but they're literally almost impossible to break!. I can 100% garuntee they will be the toughest arrow you've ever shot.
Honestly I don't think there will be any noticeable real-world difference in penetration and "hitting harder" with a 35 grain difference. If you jumped up 100 grains, maybe, MAYBE you'd notice a difference on an animal, but 35 grains is practically nothing. I'd opt for the 420-440 grain option over the 470+ for deer.
I'm currently using Axis which have been great but I may switch to the TKO to get my weight down and a better FOC.
Axis has fiberglass inside of it for that i dont shoot them anymore
I find it interesting that more people don’t know this, and talk about it. 🤔
Hey, Have you tried the Victory SS? V1 or V3 ( 31 shaft with 125 gr broadhead will be 509 grains) , a great trajectory and flight, the penetration is obsolete
I know you were comparing the Easton and the Victory, but how does the Black Eagle 5mm Rampage arrows compare to these.
What is the company that makes the wrap??
I bought 6 Easton axis 5mm 300gr arrows about 5 months ago cost me about $117 not including fletching, and cutting and now that being said. I’ve had a horrible time. First time I buy high-quality? I get problems. The inserts sink in to where I can get field tips to work but not broadheads. Bow Shop fixed it once. Now they said if they try to fix it again it’ll ruin arrows. Problem. 2 and the most irritating. I’ve Went back like six or so. Time’s to get fletching redone because they keep falling off. I’ve asked if they could strip them completely off and see if they could get any extra residue or carbon off. But it doesn’t seem. To happen. I’m thinking about buying my own jig and starting to do it myself, I’ve spent a butt load of money. And I’m probably just going to scrap those arrows. Down the drain I probably have 300+ with gas
Learn to do everything yourself if you are even remotely mechanically inclined... it will pay off ten fold in a year or two, and you will realize that WAY too many shops don't know enough to be working on peoples gear. I understand they cant all hire the top archers in the country and they need to sell and work on peoples bows.... so I understand WHY some shops are lacking in their knowledge and they have to do the best they can with who they have... I guess I just think more people should be willing to learn how to do things themselves. The archery world in general has a lot of horrible information and it took me a good 4 years of doing my own work before I realized how much the information out there is lacking. The facebook groups they have on bow tuning and stuff are pretty bad too. Honestly, it may sound kinda crappy, but there are too many hunters these days that have been shooting once a week for a couple years that think they know everything to the point of being argumentative and arrogant. I am glad to see archery growing and the more people the better... When it comes to learning about bows and equipment, listen to the target guys that have been shooting for many years. Those are the guys that are shooting 200 arrows a day and working on their equipment constantly. There are plenty of long time hunters that know there stuff too, such as mfjj... he gives pretty solid information. If you get yourself a bow press, arrow saw, fletching jig and some hand tools... it will pay for itself in no time if you are heavily into archery. No need to drive anywhere and pay someone... the other bonus is you will end up with a bow that is set up and tuned better than 90% of people of there that rely on shops. Good luck man... dont be afraid to do the work yourself... jump in, make mistakes, learn from them, and in time you will be better than any shop tech around you.
Love these videos. I'm a 27" draw also - curious what your arrow length is?
I'd stick with the easton 4mm over the 5mm axis. I hunt whitetail, and they both do a great job. In my experience, the 4mm just perform better.
The nano ice coating is so money for targets.
True! -DS
Would you be able to look into Sirius Orion really curious what you think you could do your same exact rip tko build but in a 4mm with Snyder core system
What app do you use for arrow weights?
Appreciate the info, as always… 😉👍
No problem 👍
One thing I see getting overlooked often, is how close is the actual spine to what the manufacture says it is, and how consistent is it across the entire dozen?
Hey Dan. I think you need to come up with some “The separation is in the preparation” merch. Great phrase!
I currently shoot a 435gr arrow 340 spine Axis with a 70lb bow and 29" draw. My question is can I get away with a 340 spine on a new 80lb bow or should I go with a 300 spine arrow?
I ran the 4mm axis longe range this year I broke a lot of those arrows! Before that I ran the x impacts and I honestly loved them I just like to try new things! Always tinker that’s what they say right? Now I’m stuck between the rip to and gap tko. Anyone have any advice. I need a 300 spine and the rip is lighter there. But what I’m mainly worried about is what insert I should use on which one. I’d like to be able to get out to 100 yards when I practice. Will be shooting 80lbs and 28.5 inch draw. If anyone can help me it is much appreciated
I'm buying the Easton 4mm arrows and decking them out with Iron Will components.
Do your Ironwill Wide fit in the low pro quiver? My 125W dont fit properly in the matthew q-lite quiver so was looking for an alternative.
I'm wondering why anyone would choose the axis over other lighter and just as durable options. Lighter gpi is an all around positive given similar durability. So why not put the weight where you want it? The regular RIPs come with pretty decent steel inserts. Add an aluminum footer and you have one hell of a durable arrow.
Im not a good enough archer yet to justify the match grades but iv been liking the axis so far. I just wish i could get a sub 500 grain arrow without giving up the halfouts. Im 29.5" carbon to carbon
I'm hunting late season archery coasty rooseys and debating my axis and vf tko. Also what boots do you wear
Good video. Seems people are more concerned with how far they shoot than how close they can get.
I really like my Victory RIP TKO Gamer 300s. When I bought my first newer bow after 15 years of using a PSE from 2006-2021, I decided to switch to a new arrow for my new bow. After high praises from you and some other experienced hunters I went with the value packed Victory ✌🏻 arrows. The Easton Axis 5mm is and was high on my list. I appreciate that they are made in the USA 🇺🇸. The biggest difference to me between these two outside of the nano coating is the 2 GPI difference in 300 spine arrows. 10.7 Axis vs 8.8 RIP TKO. I should upgrade the insert/outsert for next year and I would like to get heavier in the broadhead than the standard 100s, a heavier sturdier sharp fixed blade is going to last longer and have better terminal performance on game in most situations. The broadhead is the killing part of the arrow. So the lighter GPI arrow affords me to do that without going too far out of the balanced bell 🔔 curve for my arrows.
I currently only hunt whitetail deer 🦌 and I am hoping in the near future to try archery elk, mule deer 🦌, pronghorn and black bear 🐻. My current arrow weight is 476 grain with 100 grain G5 Montec M3s and a lighted nock. 29.5 inch draw at 65 lbs. They fly well to 40, but I have yet to stretch the legs on my setup and skill set but want to this spring and summer 💪🏻😎🏹
Well said my friend, you sound calculated and knowledgeable!! -DS
@@ElkShape well thank you 🙏 Dan. You are the same with a literal ton more experience killing big animals and competing in TAC with friends, etc… I have learned a lot from watching you guys, Podium Archer, Ranch Fairy, Average Jack Archery 🏹 plus a little tinkering comparison with my cousin. Thanks 🙏 for sharing your thoughts and experiences with us all. 😎🏹
I would love to see you and MFJJ address IBO speed in a video. I would love to run a 475-500 grain arrow bc all i hunt is white tail and I’m not taking far shots but with my bows ibo the calculator says I’d only be pushing 230fps whereas someone with a bow pushing 350 IBO would be pushing 270. Should i build a lighter arrow in the 425 range and get the faster speed or build one in the heavier range for white tail?
I would really like to see the RIP TKO VS EASTON AXIS LONGE RANGE
Crazy this is what I was just thinking😮
Try Simmons land shark they get great blood and wide cut.
i like that two arrow
I think victory just makes a more rugged arrow. I’ve managed to break any and everything I’ve shot from Easton. Victory for the win in my opinion. I vote you do a durability test Easton 4 and 5 mm VS victory 4 and 5 mm. I’d take the TKO and the VAP 100% .
I doubt this . I have axis ive been shooting for 10 years and tbey still spin straight as any elite arrow i can buy. Id like to try the tko, looks pretty awesome and ive shot the vaps and i use xv’s for 3d so i know victory is good. Just would never bet against the axis arrows
what about GT Kinetics series arrows?
Hi ElkShape thank you for the amazing video. How I can contact you directly and have a discussion about arrow build?
If components were not an issue..... would you shoot a 5mm arrow at all?
5mm is probably my favorite overall arrow size! -DS
I’ve used both and I don’t think it’s even close. The Victory is a much better arrow. I’m using a 505 grain setup now.
What spine for 70lb matthew lift?
RIP TKO no question!!!
Hey dude haven't used the tko's but was going to do the same test now that I have somewhere other then online for me to get them but currently running the axis 4 mm and love them...I will say and I only know from what I've endured and that's that even the Easton fmj just don't seem to be as strong as the used to be might just be me
Making arrows to complicated. White tail 400 grain is plenty, 20-35 yard shot.
Yes I prefer to be thorough haha! -DS
Ever thought to try gold tip airstrikes?
Victory manufacturers their arrows in San Diego, CA
I believe they are constructed in the states, but carbon shafts are made in Mexico, with the carbon material from Vietnam, by supplier Aldila. I could be wrong, just what I have found through some basic research.
Vap ss vs axis long range next please and thanks I’ve been debating between both
You're seriously ragging on Victory's included components when you aren't even using the included aluminum HIT that comes with the Eastons? 😆
He is using Easton hit though not different brand
@@rally6824He said he's using the Iron Will Hits not the stock 15 grain ones.
@@stick__shooter iron wills in rip tko, Easton brass in the Eastons
@@rally6824still an extra component that doesn't come with the shafts.
Easton needs to make a lighter GPI Axis.
Man I don't understand why you don't use the Victory Vap SS arrow?
I have a 29 inch draw length and my arrows are 451 grains with the MfJJ titanium insert and lighted nocks.
You won't find a stronger arrow, unless you spend 600 bucks a dozen.
The draw length you have, you could build a really nice arrow.
I’ve been shooting the Easton axis for several years now, but want to switch over to the RIPS just to have an overall lighter arrow with better FOC. Only drawback is the price of those RIP TKOs 😂
Yep. You just helped me decide. Going with the Easton Axis 5mm. For 2 reasons that you brought up. Made in the US and better components. Even though they don't come spine aligned like the TKO's. Neither were the Gold Tip's I shoot now. Thanks for doing this video.
I shot the axis and then switched to the RIP TKO, however I put the Brass HIT insert into the RIP TKOs. Ultimately saved me 50 grains in carbon which allowed for more FOC and tighter pin gaps. Actually shot a 3.5 year old midwest whitetail with the RIPs tipped with Iron Will Wide 125g which blew through both scapulas and nicked the spine (high shot).
@@cflaherty85 Solid report! Thanks for watching! -DS
@cflaherty85 Very cool. I'm right at 15% FOC with my Gold Tip Hunter XT's tipped with Stinger Buzzcut 125gr 4 blades. I figured if I can get the same with a 5mm, I'd have a pretty flat shooting arrow. I do want to try those Iron Will Wides though.
@papaschuette I have the 125gr wide, which are vented by design. I'd recommend getting a non vented head as the vented are extremely loud in flight. 150g wide is solid or any of the double bevel or single bevels are solid. Get a stay sharp guide and pretty simple to ReSharpen and keep them oiled to prevent patina.
@cflaherty85 I appreciate you bringing up that the 125's are vented. Just means I'm gonna have to bump up to the 150gr single bevel lefts. Definitely don't need any extra noise. I wonder why they made the 125's vented like that?
hey man are you ands mfjj going to alaska to hunt caribou anytime that would be an awesome ep of the channel love the channel informative entertaining just cool always waiting for next epsiode big fan from Australia keep the bangers comin man love it
Dan the man!
Interesting video. FWIW, I shot the Axis since the inception up until about 2 years ago. I wanted a lighter GPI so, after a lot of spending and testing I wound up with the RIP TKO. Just a couple of months ago I decided to go back to a standard diameter arrow and bought some VF TKO. In my experience, even with the "Elite" Victory's, I've had to nock tune the hell out of these. Don't remember ever needing to do that with the Axis. That spine align is their version the Carbon Express spine B.S. that's all it is. BS. Other than all that, Victory is a great arrow.
Great topic…. the background music is annoying 🙉
My EA 5mm inserts pull out constantly. It drives me insane.
I rocked RIP TKO’s this year and loved them. Thinking about tinkering with Sirius Orions to try out a 4mm. Love to hear what you think of them
My shop said they are seeing variance and quality control issues with the RIPs lately. Now, I end up cutting 3-3.5 inches off the end to get to my arrow length.
Can you comment on what you have seen as well as the durability?
Great content as always Dan! I’d like to hear your thoughts on Day Six arrows. They seem pretty solid
Man, I’m really starting to notice where the sponsor money is coming from. “This arrow over here is better by every metric, but I’m choosing the other one” 🤦🏼♂️😂 And an Axis arrow is not woven. Those two carbons are not even close to the same. I also found it interesting that No mention was made about the inserts that come standard with the Victory shafts. It’s of notable value IMO.
I thought Victory’s were USA made. I just bought a box of VAP’s and I thought I understood they were USA made.
They are US materials rolled in Mexico across the border.