Phil Hay reacts to Leeds United’s Palace shambles
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ต.ค. 2024
- With Leeds United shipping five goals to Palace, The Athletic’s Phil Hay takes on the challenge of covering what went wrong in just 15 minutes
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What we lack is a REAL Captain on the pitch, to shake up the team.
Luke had a terrible game, and he was the Captain!!
Without Tyler and Max, there was no real driving force.
Do think there was a degree of arrogance involved going into the game, and from the players and fans when we went a goal up. The whole game stunk of Derby in the play offs when they equalised just before half time. Its the worst time to concede and best time to equalise.
That's exactly what happened.
We ran and ran and ran (for 44 minutes), while Crystal Palace's pacey forwards just watched us miss chance after chance after chance.... and then simply took over when we were knackered with nothing to show for it.
Arsenal did the same to a certain extent yesterday, although they are more talented than us 😂they relaxed too much we did too
You though we would roll over and that has cost you guys specially after we scored our first goal
100 percent agree.
How the hell Leeds can ever be over confident after 1 goal scored is beyond me .
Explains why they are where they are .
@@peterherrington3300 it was pathetic to be honest. We got what we deserved. They thought they were the bollocks after outplaying an awful Forest side.
If your worst player is your captain and leader then where are you heading?
That game was the first time in probably 30+ years I've actually turned the TV off and poured a large glass of whiskey. There is absolutely no excuse. I'd have given Ayling his p45 right after the final whistle.
Not usually a fan of Michael’s impressions but this one is spot on 👌
Brilliantly explained Phill, get this out of our heads now, easier said than done 💪
Staying up or going down we need a full clear out ! We are nowhere near good enough ! And need afresh start from top to bottom
Thank you Square Ball for bringing Phil into the more visual world, so to speak. Phil is one of the very few journalists who's opinions I respect and who's observations I can trust. However, Phil is so good at his job that he bears witness, observes and reports on what he is seeing to the best of his knowledge and ability in order to explain to people who otherwise couldn't do that. Top bloke Phil, thank you too sir. My problem is that after 49 years on this earth and God knows how many matches I've watched, I cannot recall a game in which a team goes from being so dominant in a fixture to being so utterly obliterated within an hour. Perhaps my memory fails me these days. What is it with this current Leeds United? I remember speaking to a chap from Sunderland while we were flying (20 minutes gone I guess) and telling him how annoying and yet predictable it was that we always come out of the traps at Elland Road for 10-15 minutes and if it doesn't go our way then we quite quickly crawl back into our shell and, before you know it, fall behind. After around 30 minutes (forgive me if my details aren't 100% accurate) I commented again that we seem to have got past all that now and seem relentless....I was so content. Then BAM....Firpo gives them a freekick which we know they're pretty good at and 1-1. That's ok I thought, we'll continue our onslaught and reduce them to rubble before the hour mark. Then....BAM....BAM again, like a boxer being hurt by a right hook before he's had time to work out where the uppercut came from. Silence. Quiet. Peace. Then BAM and BAM AGAIN!! What just happened? I don't know how the players feel but I'm still trying to recover from the uppercut. I love Phil Hay and the Square Ball; but will one of you please explain to me what why where when who? Pass me another icepack if you would ;-)
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Phil Hay hits the nail on the head. It's no use playing well for half the game. It has to be sustained for 90 minutes and Leeds haven't done this nearly all season. To get out ofthis mess they will have to give 100% in every minute for the WHOLE game. If not it will be relegation, unfortunately.
We're a cursed football club
Cheers guys. It's still so unbelievable that we could crash so badly. I've lost loads of confidence in Javi. He wasn't able ot do anything to alter the game, his changes made us worse. Ayling has been pants for weeks, and not only plays, but is also captain. Looks like it's going to the wire again this season now, and i'm not feeling confident
Well said Phil. Although I'm not expecting any reply in it, I sent a twitter message during the game that half time dressing room was the turning point imo. Palace was playing well but just reviewed what leeds performed in the 2nd half was completely 2 different teams. Once again, just want to get a picture of what they've done during half time dressing room!!!???
So the rumours are that Ayling, Roca and McKennie had a big dust up during half time. If true, that would clearly affect the whole team after the break.
Thankfully, if I have a crap day in my job, there aren’t hundreds of people still talking about it for the next month.
When I saw the team sheet I sighed, then we went 1-0 up and thought maybe I was wrong. But then when we were getting hammered I kept screaming to make changes, get Ayling and Aaronson off, if we had an option get McKennie off too, but nope we didn't and boom they scored, then scored again.
I couldn't help but notice the visible stress on Bamford's face pre-match when he was talking to Sky Sports. It feels like there are deeper psychological issues in the squad aside from what obviously happened when Palace got their first goal.
I think Javi found out what most Leeds fans already knew about this squad. They can't be trusted to put in back to back performances without making changes. We don't have any ruthless players who want to perform every match. Just moody, casual, part time mentality l, which is why we can't keep ourselves out of trouble in this division
Thanks for a great analysis Phil, I wasn't looking forward to listening for this.
It was exactly the same as the Derby playoff defeat. They scored just before halftime and the whole ground went flat and then just capitulated second half
West Ham's defending against Newcastle in that 1-5 home defeat was laughable. Four days later, they came back and won 1-0 at Fulham. Leeds need to do the same. Still plenty of points to play for. Palace might have done Leeds a favour for the rest of the season, in that they now know that you can't ease off, lose concentration or underestimate the opposition.
Palace aren't Newcastle. Newcastle are top 4.
@@cockoffgewgle4993 True, but West Ham self-destructed and it doesn't change the point that they showed that it is possible to come back from a crushing home defeat to win away a few days later.
The sooner everyone moves on from last Sunday's shocker against Palace, the better. With 8 vital games in the next 5 weeks, there isn't much time for recriminations and blame. There is no reason why Leeds shouldn't pick up enough points to stay up, but they will need everyone behind them.
@@portcullis5622 It all comes back to personnel. You have your key players missing, you invariably struggle. Tyler Adams has been our Kalvin Phillips this season. We've conceded 18 goals in 6 games without him. Averaging 1.33 goals conceded per game with him.
Add Wober being missing, who has had a similar effect and the result isn't a surprise. And with Adams missing for the rest of the season and having no backup DM, we're in serious trouble. Eze and Olise ran riot because there was no DM to tackle them and to cover the back 4.
Our defence has always been shambolic in the PL over the last 3 years when any of KP, Adams, Wober haven't played. Koch did okay at DM sometimes under Bielsa. But we should face the reality that the rest of our defensive players, GK included, are simply poor.
@@cockoffgewgle4993 I agree that the current team (especially defence) is barely good enough for the top tier, but there are a few other teams just as bad (or worse), so let's hope they can do enough to survive this season and rebuild in the summer. The Palace game was a chance to keep out of trouble for a bit, but now I think it will go down to the last two games. Liverpool this weekend, Man City away in a few weeks and then a possible 'must win' against Spurs at home on the last day make me worry!
@@portcullis5622 I'm not sure who these 3 worse teams are though tbh lol. Leicester also have a terrible defence, seemingly. But they also have Ndidi to protect it.
West Ham have some tough fixtures. Their remaining home games are Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal (and us) and they have to go to Man City. But they have a game in hand and a point advantage.
Our last 4 games are horrifying. If we need points by then we're doomed. And I just can't see how we're going to not concede goals with Adams out and no DM in the squad to even try to do his job.
This game and Leicester at home we needed to win. Or at least take 4 points from.
If we do stay up, we would need a whole new team to avoid another relegation scrap. Our Defence has been abysmal for 3 seasons, and if you can not defend, you will always struggle. Palace should have scored a couple in the 1st period.
Came back to watch this after the champo 3-1 loss to Southampton. This was the last time I remembered being baffled about how a match played out
Space jammed 😂
they gave luke ayling a new contract as well daamn
Absolute shitshow, time we shipped most of that team out, in fact, i am not sure who i would keep
Gnonto and wober the rest are shit
We can’t score. We don’t have the quality to score. 17 shots and 1 goal. This is happened for 3 years now and nothing has changed.
Drop Ayling now. Koch needs Wober to hold his hand as he’s poor without him.
Bamford is crap and apart from a few games has been crap.
Harrison’s signed a new contract so that means he will play crap now.
We are definitely 50/50 to go down.
Love Ayling's attitude but he had a horrible run of games; he has made many mistakes that have ended up with goals served to the opposition..
Bad result for you😢 great for us but to be honest think both teams will stay up mate! Good vid!
Thanks Paul!
"Hitting the ball more Accurately"
Exactly this
I was there. I dispose leaving easily and had got a lift from my uncle to the ground, so had agreed to his terms of leaving 5 mins before the end so he can get out and home in reasonable time. I got to the car before him....despicable 2nf half.
You "dispose leaving easily"? wtf does that mean?
@@CB-xr1eg I think he means ' despise' ...
@@CB-xr1eg if you couldn’t tell he meant to say despise you might not be that intelligent lol
@@ClassyCricket1 I'm intelligent enough to read my comments before posting them and correct any errors. Which clearly does not apply to a lot of people.
@@CB-xr1eg calm the fuck down dude
Zaha didn't even play, we had one job and that was stop Olise and Eze, we let them run riot. Schoolboy performance.
Ayling isnt good enough for this league, period. And there are more players that isnt good enough
Huge arrogance cost them dearly . "It's only palace"
Palace have taken plenty of points from big teams that said that & Leeds are not a big team 🙄
7 wins says it all, the table doesn't lie.
Great analysis
Harrison has signed his new 5 year deal so now appears to think his work is done.
Not sure why this is a blip, we beat Forest but could easily have lost, we are in real trouble now. In defence we are just awful without Wobber and with Ayling and Bamford.
The entire squad should be docked a weeks wages for that second half proformace unacceptable and shameful 😤
Worst home game since Villa smashed us last season. Phil knows his stuff, if heads are dropping there's trouble in front.
I loved that match 😍
Phil, it's been glaringly obvious to everyone with a brain cell for several seasons now that we have never addressed the full back situation. I think to his credit Firpo has stepped up and has been doing a lot better, but we are woefully under staffed when it comes to quality in defense. Ayling, Cooper, Forshaw to name a few should have been sold the second we won promotion. Those 3 are stealing a living at this level and it will likely cost us our premier league status because the incompetence in recruitment is shocking.
Harsh words but please tell me one single Premier league team where Luke Ayling or Liam Cooper get a single game.
Can't help but think the best RB at the club, is on loan in the Championship.
I was really hopeful for this match especially after the the forest game, we did another Leeds, ffs so hard being a Leeds fan and keeping the faith. Got a ticket for Leicester, 320 mile round trip, I’ll sing me heart out till sore. MOT all of yer filthy animals 😂
A team full of unproven youngsters and the senior players they have to look up to are Bamford and Ayling, champsionship quality at best. The board were naive to think we could rely on kids with no real senior PL core. When we go down, Bamford and Aylings heads are the first to drop, how are the kids meant to perform with players like that to look up to?
Howard Wilkinson would drop the entire squad for that shambles this Entire season starts and stops from the top down CHAIRMAN,,AND BOARD ,,,,SACK THEM ALL , ,,, PLAYERS SHOULD DONATE THERE WAGES TO CHARITY absolute JOKES ALL OF THEM
But the thing is...Leeds are in a dog fight with a lot of bunched teams...and most of these teams can actually have their day (even if it's not regularly!) Well done Palace for seizing their day. I think it's a bit deluded to expect Leeds to be way up the league. I'm quietly confident that Leeds have it in them to beat the drop if they show some character. I wish them all the best.
@@starmersbarber this board SOLD its best players and replaced them with clowns not capable of division 2 football,,,,,,,,, 2 seasons of recruitment job centre + would have done better with,,,yesterday's SHAMBOLIC PERFORMANCE 2nd half was the worst team in a Leeds shirt EVER ,,,,they shouldn't be ALLOWED to be PAID for that I've seen more fight in roadkill
@@mickt3390 Alright mate calm down. It's football not life and death.
@@mickt3390 I can feel your anger and frustration Mick.
Anyone else think meslier is over rated ?
He was certainly at fault for the decisive goal at Everton, that long distance goal that nearly let Wolves back in and for a couple of the goals yesterday, where he seemed to go down too early.
@@portcullis5622 weird punches and shite distribution
iv said most of the season .that meslier is not a good keeper...get rid ...
He needs more competition.
We let them play from the back.,they never had any pressure .they never needed to play long balls,im hearing joy division in my head
Couple of simple obvious issues. We can’t score and we can’t defend. That’s cos we have a striker who has had one decent season out of 5 for Leeds and our keeper is a child. The Board should have found a replacement for Bamford and an option to give Messier a rest. Everyone obsessed with left back and midfield. Midfielders don’t score goals or save them.
We .. Palace .. had more of the ball and more passes than Leeds in the first half ..... in the second we moved the ball quicker and competed for the turnover ball more!
How can history keep repeating itself? Their are clubs in the prem this year that have sorted themselves out (ie) Brighton & Newcastle why can't we stop history and start the future of Leeds because we have a team that seem to meltdown easily. 49ers please help.
What do we expect with over priced rubbish, good luck 49ers
It was a shit show-period. We ARE going to need these duds in the Championship next season to get us back to Premier league so get rid of the in demand dudes like Meslier, make some cash, and punish the mothers for a crap season by making them play in a lower unglamourous division. When we do go up again then ditch them all- otherwise we will end up in there for 10 more years. Arghhh.
Leeds STILL can't defend against set-pieces after 3 seasons, oppositions knows all they have to do is get a free kick around the box and they're 90% guaranteed a goal and refs are always happy to oblige and give free kicks against Leeds.
The curse has reared its head...
Maybe all the Jesse whingers are having second thoughts. Leeds looked a hell of a lot better in the first half of the season than they have in their recent form, and that was with Liam Cooper screwing up the back line. Maybe the high press is more effective than all the doubters on here said and that vaunted "structure" resulting from JM's departure is certainly allowing more goals conceded.
Leeds didn't have Wober in 2022, so his injury cannot be blamed. So, is Tyler Adams THAT important to pulling this team together?
That was an awful game. Will it be a blip or a pattern?
Relegation Form cant see this group off players getting out off this Hole i hope i am wrong
Could it be a blattern?
@@thesquareball_ A Sep Blattern?
Remember we were this shit under bielsa? Yeh people have forgotten that
Good point
say what you will about Marsch and you may well be correct, but at least his players never quit on him. Leeds stil fought for Jesse. Yesterday was a disgrace and the team quit. When do all the fans and youtubers start calling for the firing of the current manager? Ayling has got to go. He is not a captain and a poor a leader. What a painful, disgraceful season.
Why does Phil dress like a street hoodlum now? Always picture him in a nice shirt.
Is he on smack now?
To keep warm I’d assume the wind would sting a bit with a shirt
A hooded jumper does not make you a smackhead, fuckin' hell grandad.
So a guy wears a hoodie and you just assume he's on smack? Strange world you live in, very judgemental.
@@utft5719 🤣🤣
Shut up
Seen this coming we've had wobbles in other matches when we've gone behind