colleges f'd themselves over. if they kept their prices relatively affordable. they didn't spout so much political division on campus... people would still go to college. there are certain fields that have built in moats that require that piece of paper like attorney, doctor, engineer stem etc. but if we look at history... most people aren't supposed to go to college. it was supposed to be for the best and brightest. we diluted the value and meaning of college. majority of people were supposed to attend vocation schools or get workplace training. or high school was supposed to have an additional 1-2 years for vocation training. or go into the military to learn a useful trade. the military surprisingly has a lot of valuable real world trades you could learn (if you go in the space force, navy or air force they're more trade intensive than the army or marines) again go in there with a purpose to learn something useful and get out. im not telling anyone to make it a full career as it's only feasible for officers to do the 20 plus. you have to make it to a E7 i believe just to qualify to make it to 20. college as this easy ticket for higher social mobility is ... a thing of the past. it was an inevitable outcome too with supply/demand.
I’ve given a few young men opportunities to “apprentice” me as a real-estate entrepreneur , but have been disappointed in their desire for instant gratification- lack of patience for “the process” and understanding that’s 100% the value in it. I’m optimistic as you about the future of education for men. But I do suspect there’s a large generational difference working against young men these days they’ll have to largely overcome first.
Speaking as a woman with 2 bachelor's degrees (one in economics and one in telecommunications engineering), and living in the EU, where higher education is free or affordable, I would find it hard to consider a guy without a degree for 2 main reasons: 1. college is hard, it's not about memorizing, it's about survival, how to organize, learn and work hard for something you want. Especially during 4 years of polytechnic institute, having to do dozens of projects and countless classes based on hardcore logic , like calculus, physics, circuits, electronic devices etc. I would honestly see a guy as mentally not as tough as I am if he doesn't have a degree. Reason2(related to 1) when men don't have a degree, they crap on your achievements. It's like me having been on the battlefield for 4 years while a guy played video games and hanged out with his friends(unless the guy started and failed at several businesses, the level of mental stress cannot compare to college-at least not a stem field degree) - which I won't tolerate. I've had guys try to talk down to me at work cause they are managers and don't have a degree. I told one to his face that my daddy couldn't get me a management job, unlike his. Getting by in the corporate environment is largely based on butt-kissing, not competence or intelligence. I went to college to prove to myself I could do it, first and foremost. And secondly, to be able to support myself without having to kiss butt or prostitute myself one way or another, and I've succeeded at that, and I won't take anyone crapping on my efforts, once again. Guys rely on boys clubs and football buddies to get jobs and apprenticeships, women don't have that luxury.
It’s a good thing because men don’t care about women with degrees. The”power couple” dynamic isn’t something beneficial for men. Women with careers don’t exactly equal beautiful loving families.
No women have it easier. Your just deflecting your emotions, thus proving why women in leadership positions are miserable and unhappy, if not improperly suited for said leadership positions. Women have it easier from government programs and numerous public assistance programs assisting them in getting ahead. Not every man has the same opportunities as the ideal man you would want or have been around, and not every man would treat you negatively as you have experienced. Your experiences are just yours, perhaps trying to look for work in a different country other than yours would help you to reach your goals.
The problem with college these days is that unless you're studying medicine, law, or STEM subjects that require extensive study, it's not worth the cost of applying to go to school. In addition, thanks to the internet and now AI, most subjects taught in schools become obsolete in a few years. Back in the day it wasn't uncommon to go into trade schools or get an associates degree in vocational subjects that would lead to a job or vocational apprenticeship right after school. While this still happens, a lot of it went by the wayside when a lot of manufacturing jobs were shipped offshore to China and Mexico.
Hope this is an opinion not an imposition. University is 5-6 years and has a lifelong impact in the future. School is about to be 'intellectual' and knowing the 'etiquette' communication of the job you want to apply for in the future. It helps you a lot and the job appreciates it. Knowing that as a student you want to enter to this world by learning from the basics makes your career much easier.
So true, I went back to school and is just not fulfilling at all, applied to get class B license and got trained by actual bus drivers and that felt way more fulfilling tbh now im driving and making good $$ literally like the bus driving
women with degrees don't care about degrees if you are just better than them in other metrics, she can have a degree but if can still subconsciously admit she is intellectually inferior then it plays zero role ofc if you are also out earning her, I say this as a high school dropout with a great sales job so I'm a bit biased but you can really get away with alot with a fake diploma and I haven't even done that.
I agree for the most part, but on dating apps many women will only select "bacherlor's degree" or higher for the partners they look for. Another reason apps suck
I Benefited more joining the Army, which i am planning to do a full carrier in, than going to college. Looking at trade school in my spare time. Plus, don't have to pay off Student Loans.
colleges f'd themselves over.
if they kept their prices relatively affordable.
they didn't spout so much political division on campus...
people would still go to college. there are certain fields that have built in moats that require that piece of paper like attorney, doctor, engineer stem etc.
but if we look at history... most people aren't supposed to go to college. it was supposed to be for the best and brightest. we diluted the value and meaning of college.
majority of people were supposed to attend vocation schools or get workplace training.
or high school was supposed to have an additional 1-2 years for vocation training.
or go into the military to learn a useful trade. the military surprisingly has a lot of valuable real world trades you could learn (if you go in the space force, navy or air force they're more trade intensive than the army or marines) again go in there with a purpose to learn something useful and get out. im not telling anyone to make it a full career as it's only feasible for officers to do the 20 plus. you have to make it to a E7 i believe just to qualify to make it to 20.
college as this easy ticket for higher social mobility is ... a thing of the past. it was an inevitable outcome too with supply/demand.
I’ve given a few young men opportunities to “apprentice” me as a real-estate entrepreneur , but have been disappointed in their desire for instant gratification- lack of patience for “the process” and understanding that’s 100% the value in it.
I’m optimistic as you about the future of education for men. But I do suspect there’s a large generational difference working against young men these days they’ll have to largely overcome first.
Trying to get cheap labor body ?
Not at all actually I pay them hourly
Speaking as a woman with 2 bachelor's degrees (one in economics and one in telecommunications engineering), and living in the EU, where higher education is free or affordable, I would find it hard to consider a guy without a degree for 2 main reasons: 1. college is hard, it's not about memorizing, it's about survival, how to organize, learn and work hard for something you want. Especially during 4 years of polytechnic institute, having to do dozens of projects and countless classes based on hardcore logic , like calculus, physics, circuits, electronic devices etc. I would honestly see a guy as mentally not as tough as I am if he doesn't have a degree. Reason2(related to 1) when men don't have a degree, they crap on your achievements. It's like me having been on the battlefield for 4 years while a guy played video games and hanged out with his friends(unless the guy started and failed at several businesses, the level of mental stress cannot compare to college-at least not a stem field degree) - which I won't tolerate. I've had guys try to talk down to me at work cause they are managers and don't have a degree. I told one to his face that my daddy couldn't get me a management job, unlike his. Getting by in the corporate environment is largely based on butt-kissing, not competence or intelligence. I went to college to prove to myself I could do it, first and foremost. And secondly, to be able to support myself without having to kiss butt or prostitute myself one way or another, and I've succeeded at that, and I won't take anyone crapping on my efforts, once again. Guys rely on boys clubs and football buddies to get jobs and apprenticeships, women don't have that luxury.
Don't be so sure about that....your experience is not the totality of the global work force for either genders
It’s a good thing because men don’t care about women with degrees.
The”power couple” dynamic isn’t something beneficial for men. Women with careers don’t exactly equal beautiful loving families.
No women have it easier. Your just deflecting your emotions, thus proving why women in leadership positions are miserable and unhappy, if not improperly suited for said leadership positions. Women have it easier from government programs and numerous public assistance programs assisting them in getting ahead. Not every man has the same opportunities as the ideal man you would want or have been around, and not every man would treat you negatively as you have experienced. Your experiences are just yours, perhaps trying to look for work in a different country other than yours would help you to reach your goals.
you cant make this sh1t up
And thus the single crazy cat lady….
The problem with college these days is that unless you're studying medicine, law, or STEM subjects that require extensive study, it's not worth the cost of applying to go to school. In addition, thanks to the internet and now AI, most subjects taught in schools become obsolete in a few years. Back in the day it wasn't uncommon to go into trade schools or get an associates degree in vocational subjects that would lead to a job or vocational apprenticeship right after school. While this still happens, a lot of it went by the wayside when a lot of manufacturing jobs were shipped offshore to China and Mexico.
Hope this is an opinion not an imposition.
University is 5-6 years and has a lifelong impact in the future. School is about to be 'intellectual' and knowing the 'etiquette' communication of the job you want to apply for in the future.
It helps you a lot and the job appreciates it. Knowing that as a student you want to enter to this world by learning from the basics makes your career much easier.
Shouldn't university be 4 years for one bachelor's program?
@@joeswanson733 It's with masters degree total. Depends on what major but majority is 3+2 or 4+2
yeah but they don't need to make you pay $50,000 a year for it
So true, I went back to school and is just not fulfilling at all, applied to get class B license and got trained by actual bus drivers and that felt way more fulfilling tbh now im driving and making good $$ literally like the bus driving
women with degrees don't care about degrees if you are just better than them in other metrics, she can have a degree but if can still subconsciously admit she is intellectually inferior then it plays zero role ofc if you are also out earning her, I say this as a high school dropout with a great sales job so I'm a bit biased but you can really get away with alot with a fake diploma and I haven't even done that.
Issue is women have already achieved such high station in life now for men to be even better is basically fighting an uphill battles
I agree for the most part, but on dating apps many women will only select "bacherlor's degree" or higher for the partners they look for. Another reason apps suck
I Benefited more joining the Army, which i am planning to do a full carrier in, than going to college. Looking at trade school in my spare time. Plus, don't have to pay off Student Loans.
Whst opportunity going through college 😂 there is none