My Thoughts And Feelings on Dark Souls: The Archthrones

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  • @Sputnik34
    @Sputnik34  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    A shocking result from someone that notoriously dislikes Dark Souls III, i'll say that much! Have you played the demo yet? what did you think of it? :')

    • @Graymonke-
      @Graymonke- 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      play the dark souls 3 convergence mod

  • @hypotrain
    @hypotrain 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Dark Souls 3's fast pace is counteracted by the fact that the dodge roll is completely busted and every single boss is designed so that your easiest and best response to any attack is to roll it. The only notable exception to that is Midir. This turns the entire game into just pressing the dodge button any time the boss does anything. Instead of a lot of the slow but lingering attacks of DS2 like Iron King's or Fume Knight's flame attacks or a lot of Elden Ring's delayed attacks, DS3 consists of very quick, very easily dodgeable attacks. They literally only require reaction speed, whereas the other games also require positioning, specific timing and the ability to choose between different responses. It's what makes DS3 the easiest and least engaging Soulsborne game. Fume Knight's 360 fire sword attack alone is more engaging than 90% of attacks in DS3 because instead of just pressing le roll once you see Fume Knight move, you have to either properly position yourself behind him or dodge (usually twice) in specific timings depending on your ADP. That's why this mod's combat feels so satisfying, it's because it reuses movesets from more engaging games

    • @Sputnik34
      @Sputnik34  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Wonderfully put! I don't think there's anything wrong with DS3 leaning into being more timing based as both Sekiro and Lies of P are definitely that to a T, but yes I think that is what makes the combat lesser in comparison to the other games. They didn't do too much on top of that to make it more interesting.

    • @flamingmanure
      @flamingmanure 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      this all applies to bloodborne, most of the game is extremely reactable and doesnt really demand much from dodge direction and good positioning, hell bb bosses and enemies are far less roll catchy than ds3 enemies and bosses, pontif alone is almost ludwig level when it comes to punishing bad roll timing, i can count the amount of attacks in bb that force you to dodge sideways or face dodge on 2 hands, most of them are very obvious charges from big bosses, and i would say it has an even worse problem than ds3, traversing the game world with a saw cleaver makes 80% of the game world an utter joke, so much of bb is just you walking up to enemies, most of which have no poise, and just press R1 till they die, personally i find bbs world less engaging than ds3s cuz ds3 has alot of heavy poise enemies while most of bb doesnt, but i find the good bb bosses more engaging than ds3's barring the dlcs, and theres also the gun parry cheese, bbs combat only shines with some of its bosses, many of them have their own issues imo, i mean the mid game bosses of bb are easily the worse quality bosses in the series, shadows into rom into one reborn into micolash, just yeesh...ds3 has far higher and more consistent main boss quality.
      overall i view both on the same level, great games on their own right, but pretty flawed and abit mediocre as souls games imo. i prefer elden ring, ds1 and sekiro.

    • @vazazell5967
      @vazazell5967 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The mod's combat sucks cause it uses the system that has the least depth and then puts enemies designed around fastest weapon in the series: wolf's katana, unchanged. So you simply can't hit them with stuff like bardiche

  • @86fifty
    @86fifty 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I'm also a big fan of Heide's Tower in DS2 on looks alone, so seeing it recreated in DS3's engine at 11:00 is amaaaaazing! This represents sooooo much work from the mod-dev, I am SO impressed! Thank you for showing this off!

  • @Arfadoz
    @Arfadoz 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    It's a slower pace because it uses the moveset of ER bosses. That omen dude is just Godfrey with different design.

  • @basiltheflowerboy143
    @basiltheflowerboy143 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Dark Souls? more like uhhhhh... uhh... Park... Bowls... yeah... GOTTEM!!!

    • @Sputnik34
      @Sputnik34  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      FromSoftware will never emotionally or financially recover from this

    • @basiltheflowerboy143
      @basiltheflowerboy143 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Sputnik34 Will any of us, really? i doubt it.

  • @ucutiepie6564
    @ucutiepie6564 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Are we talking about the same mod...? They literally put sekiro and bloodborne movesets in ds3, how is it slower?? It's MUCH faster, and if anything I would say its main issue is that you just can't keep up. My experience with this mod is they need to give you a big boost to stamina, almost like Elden Ring, if they want it to work. Most bosses force you into an extremely passive playstyle of staying away, dodging, hitting once, retreating to regenerate stamina. Good for you if you like that sort of gameplay I guess, but I'd rather stay in close quarters and actually fight the boss...

  • @Starflddrms74
    @Starflddrms74 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Im glad you got a new experience that made you reconsider ds3. I respect your opinions on 3.

  • @Bkayplays4270
    @Bkayplays4270 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Ds1 allowed you to get up to 20 estus flasks. Ds2 was 12 but you also had infinite lifegems. DS3 is 15 max. Your arguments for DS3 is bad are probably the flimsiest I've heard. Haven't even played the DLCs😂 Archthrones uses enemy movesets from both Sekiro and Elden Ring which are "faster" (you might say) than DS3.

    • @Sputnik34
      @Sputnik34  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I didn't like what I played of the dlcs so I didn't bother trying to beat them. Beaten the base game 3 times tho

    • @Bkayplays4270
      @Bkayplays4270 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      ​@@Sputnik34The DLCs are the literal finale to the series and has some of the best bosses of all of Dark Souls.

    • @Sputnik34
      @Sputnik34  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Bkayplays4270 dunno what to tell you. I didnt like it

    • @Olliejfc
      @Olliejfc 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Don’t even bother arguing with this guy Brady. Dude literally does not know what he’s talking about.

    • @Sputnik34
      @Sputnik34  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      literally

  • @LoveFactoryParties
    @LoveFactoryParties 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is mindblowing! I can't wait to play this

  • @Guys._.
    @Guys._. 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Oh fuck yeah! This looks amazing! I am super hyped for this.

  • @Treekyboi
    @Treekyboi 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well looks like i have a mod to install LMAO The Carthus area looks amazing

    • @Sputnik34
      @Sputnik34  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      My ass got blasted there

  • @alessandroferrucci6087
    @alessandroferrucci6087 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    holy shit this looks awesome

  • @Banana-senpai
    @Banana-senpai 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    I don't wanna invalidate your opinion or feelings here, but Elden Ring has the exact same frame data or values as Dark Souls 3 for:
    Movement speed and animations.
    Stun and Stagger animations.
    Roll animations and s.
    Stamina regeneration.
    Weight thresholds.
    Estus = Flask of Tears drink speed and animation.
    Equivalent Spells (eg. Heal Aid = Urgent Heal).
    Equivalent Weapons (eg. Hollowslayer = Kight's GS).
    The following enemies have the same frame data for movement, animations, stagger, and most if not all of their attacks, although some received a small number of new moves:
    Straight Sword Hollows = Foot Soldiers.
    [X Demigod] Knight (especially spear) = Lothric Knight (specially spear).
    Grub Infested Corpse = Putrid Corpse.
    Thrall = Fanged Imps.
    Dogs.
    Rats.
    Slimes.
    And this is just a small snippet! I don't understand how you've convinced yourself into believing these two games are *so different* that you love one and hate the other, that one has the best combat system and the other has the worst. The combat pacing and enemy placement seems so similar to me that I fail completely to find any meaningful differences that aren't just "this is a new enemy" or "oh, I can running heavy attack, guard counter, and standing jump attack now", which yeah, gives more depth (and brings afloat other inconsistencies the game has tho), but doesn't solve the other issues you mention that would be inherent to both games, like for example "there aren't that many one on one fights in DS3 like the ones I like" but then again this is also lacking in Elden ring, isn't it?
    Anyways, I like most of the video you did, don't get me wrong.

    • @flamingmanure
      @flamingmanure 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "that one has the best combat system and the other has the worst" if youre implying that ds3 has the best combat system while elden ring has the worst, then frankly i find that kinda laughable to be quite frank, its ds3 combat with far more depth than ds3 in both character and enemy combat.
      the attack options you mentioned do not in anyway shape or form bring affloat any inconsistencies, the games combat is just better, deeper and allows for more combat options than many veterans failed to utilize then complain about the game, many souls vets like yourselves just thought its a carbon copy of ds3 combat and got destroyed for it, and im glad more veterans are waking up the joseph anderson nostalgia delusions.
      " but then again this is also lacking in Elden ring, isn't it?" how so? i dont understand the point youre trying to make?
      "And this is just a small snippet! " compared to the laughably bigger and more innovative things the game got to the table, i would say its a small snippet, unlike bb and ds3, which were really just carbon copies of the dark souls template with cute small tweaks in combat design ( same level design, same items, same pacing and boss styles and checkpoints lol half of bbs weapons are basically DS weapons mushed together), elden ring innovated with its open world design that factors in both you and your horse jumping, same with legacy dungeons, not to mention ashes of war which are far better and more fleshed out than weapon arts, and dual wielding, which means u get 2 ashes of war.

    • @Banana-senpai
      @Banana-senpai 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@flamingmanure That's what HE implied, my friend. That DS3 was the worst and Elden Ring was the best. He said it multiple times. I was quoting him. I didn't imply anything and didn't even give my take into which I think is better.
      Why the need to be so confrontational?
      I see the new depth ER has over DS3, I even expressed it on the first comment too. You are beating a strawman to death.

    • @vazazell5967
      @vazazell5967 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ER sucks tho because it's designed for difficulty first. When it is designed at all and not just reusing clearly sekiro assets. Funny how ds3 tried to be as convenient as possible and then er just throws it all away

    • @Banana-senpai
      @Banana-senpai 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@vazazell5967 nothing of what you said is true
      What is a "sekiro asset"?
      What was convenient that isn't in ER?

    • @Detriax
      @Detriax 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      As a developer for Convergence, I can say that Archthrones felt unbalanced. The enemies were made faster, while you were made slower

  • @pyrobowser158
    @pyrobowser158 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Glad you had fun with this mod.

    • @Sputnik34
      @Sputnik34  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No one's more surprised or happy than I am lmao

  • @greed94
    @greed94 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hati and Skoll alone makes this a 10/10 for me.

  • @diddykangable
    @diddykangable 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I pretty much just hate dark souls 3 at this point. PLayed this mod for a solid number of hours and just couldnt get over how unbalanced it all felt. Then i got to the first boss in the town area it was just the first boss from the new lords of the fallen game but reskinned and put into DS3 and if you know anything about that game, its the worst souls(copy)like that's ever been made.
    Was not a fun experience at all. It's wild how much it feels like the people that make mods for souls games dont play or understand souls games.

  • @zeppeli1157
    @zeppeli1157 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    1:27 and even has like a sandworm which is kinda fun-
    me: wait how he doesn’t know about the sandworm being in the base game ??
    *some seconds later…
    “Ds3 isn’t my favorite game”
    Ah 😅

    • @Sputnik34
      @Sputnik34  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      lmao well regardless the sandworm only helps my case of the mod having Dune the desert planet Arrakis in it >:')

    • @vbrant2705
      @vbrant2705 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Smouldering Lake is a hidden area so i think he missed it

    • @Sputnik34
      @Sputnik34  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@vbrant2705 I did get there but it's been a WHILE since I've gone through DS3 so I just forgot is all.

  • @EinSilverRose
    @EinSilverRose 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Honestly, I rarely used Bloodborne's Rally system. Enemies just hit too hard and too fast to realistically feel safe to retaliate on the more dangerous enemies and bosses. Your hunter's mobility is also just high enough to disengage safely and heal up with vials.
    At the very least DS3's stamina cost for rolling is tiny so you can comfortably spam rolls when you're not sure you can dodge something until you get the timing down.
    As for the enemies being too fast in DS3. Yeah it's kind of ridiculous. Lothric Knights immediately come to mind because all three variants have one attack that is essentially unreactable.
    And Lothric Knights are in the very first main area of the game and they hit way too hard with some random Bloodborne tier speed attack. Black Knights in contrast hit hard because they weren't standard enemies and were designed to be a challenge for early game players that rewarded them with a high level upgrade material or even their weapon or shield. Black Knights also telegraphed their attacks very well for you to either dodge or parry if you were ballsy enough or just experienced enough given how they can one shot early game players with ease.
    DS3 is also the first Souls game where I stopped bothering to try to parry enemies because it just wasn't worth it due to how fast some parryable enemies are on top of how hard they hit. Elden Ring also has this problem but Elden Ring's problem with parrying is that it just isn't necessary. You can break enemy posture for a critical or just attacking the stance broken enemy with R1s, a charged R2 while they are vulnerable, or an Ash of War that might even deal more damage than the critical. Some enemies and, especially the bosses, have damage sponge tier health so even the parryable ones are too risky to even try.

    • @ucutiepie6564
      @ucutiepie6564 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, the thing about rally is that it's only really a useful mechanic in the early game. It doesn't scale with your HP or enemy damage as you progress, so eventually it becomes an afterthought. Anytime I see people singing the praises of the rally mechanic I can't help but wonder if they've ever even played Bloodborne.

  • @the_orogenesis_guy1563
    @the_orogenesis_guy1563 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have played through the mod and seen all it has to offer. It's a blast and a ton of fun, but right now sorcery and caster builds are kinda lacking damage wise. Pyromancy was kind ok tho.

  • @vbrant2705
    @vbrant2705 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Again. Another video that triggers so many ds3 fanboy and i like it 😂😂

    • @Sputnik34
      @Sputnik34  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I wasn't even trying this time 😭

  • @cereskerrigan
    @cereskerrigan 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well now. You got me interested in another mod that breathes new life in a game I didn’t like much.

    • @Sputnik34
      @Sputnik34  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I just realized I didn't put the download link anywhere but I just put it in the description!

  • @544001
    @544001 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How do you not know how to pronounce Eleum Loyce when an NPC says it to you as soon as you enter

    • @Sputnik34
      @Sputnik34  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i usually play with the game muted lmao

    • @CrackHardy
      @CrackHardy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Sputnik34 HUH?!

    • @Sputnik34
      @Sputnik34  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CrackHardy I play souls games with podcasts in the background lmao

  • @alifnaufalmaulana6156
    @alifnaufalmaulana6156 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So you don't like elden ring as well??? Just asking since Elden Ring has the same mechanic as old souls and faster than DS3

    • @Sputnik34
      @Sputnik34  10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@alifnaufalmaulana6156 I like it a lot more than DS3 but I still haven't finished the base game. I just lost interest in it

  • @-tari-2881
    @-tari-2881 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    ds1 is piss easy because of the slow pace combat and ds2 is only difficult because they dumped extra enemies everywhere to the point its boring and a stall which is why its the only ds game havnt beat, so i like the fast pace combat in ds3 and having 15 flasks, it means you can keep going for a very long time without actually resting at bonfires. I really dont see how ds1 is the best or better than ds3 in anyway other than cool level design
    Edit: also this "dark souls 4" mod looks like its taken a lot from elden ring, most of the boss animations from it are copy and pasted from ER and i dont think reskins of bosses and some new locations are enough

    • @loler-tj7zs
      @loler-tj7zs 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah i feel the same. almost all bosses are copy and paasted from other souls games. I feel like they could have done more unique bosses. It just does'nt seem worth playing if you only get to fight bosses you have alrready beaten in a diffrent game

    • @diddykangable
      @diddykangable 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I mean you could also just say that ds3 is the hardest because the enemies are just tuned to be faster than the players, following the same logic you put for the others.

    • @hypotrain
      @hypotrain 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ds3 is the easiest one besides Demon's Souls the entire game is r1 + dodge roll spam. The gap in difficulty between it and the rest of the Soulsborne games is actually astonishing. If you were to give it the same health, Leonine Misbegotten (a normal ER enemy) would literally be harder than Gael. DS3's core combat is so laughable that the only boss that you can't just spam r1 + dodge roll through, that being Midir, automatically becomes the most difficult and engaging boss

    • @-tari-2881
      @-tari-2881 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@hypotrain first of "soulsbourne" isnt a thing, its called souls or shall we call it sekirosoulsbourne🤡
      and try spam roll against the bosses and see where that gets u. the bosses in ds1 u dont even need to roll, u just hold the shield up and walk behind them and apparently that is harder than ds3.🤣🤣 Just because ds1 was clearly ur first souls game and everyone struggled at their first souls game, doesnt mean its actually harder

    • @vbrant2705
      @vbrant2705 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Shut up. You haven't beat ds2 😂😂.

  • @theramu1501
    @theramu1501 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    play the ds3 dlc's you weirdo

    • @Sputnik34
      @Sputnik34  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Maybe one day

  • @joshakins4923
    @joshakins4923 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ok it's just a mod, thanks

  • @Bernadottes777
    @Bernadottes777 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Haha commented

    • @Sputnik34
      @Sputnik34  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ?

    • @Bernadottes777
      @Bernadottes777 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Sputnik34 Don't mind me, just boosting your video for the algorythm

  • @TheHeartThatRunsCold
    @TheHeartThatRunsCold 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I really had a massively hard time grappling with the idea that DS3 is fast. I recently did a Cinders playthrough, and I had the complete opposite feeling coming from Elden Ring. And I actually think your not remembering base DS3's speed all that well. Because Archthrones is at Elden Ring/Sekiro pace my guy.
    And if you want 1v1 duels in a game that's gank heavy. Why not use a bow to force those 1v1s?

    • @Sputnik34
      @Sputnik34  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      So is the arch thrones faster or slower than ds3? I can't boot up base DS3 with this mod so I'm sorta up in the air about it.
      And I guess I could use a bow to do that but that just feels like it would be incredibly boring and now how I would want to play a souls game

    • @TheHeartThatRunsCold
      @TheHeartThatRunsCold 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Sputnik34 You don't have to use a bow to kill enemies, just to draw aggro. It's just an insanely effective strategy in every souls game to prevent getting ganked. If an aspect of a game annoys you, use the tools the game gives you to circumvent them.
      Speed wise Archthrones is variable, it's slowest enemies from what I've seen, are DS3 enemies though.

    • @diddykangable
      @diddykangable 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Darks souls convince players to use tools/weapons other than their chosen build's main weapon challenge. Difficulty:impossible

    • @bigsmall2842
      @bigsmall2842 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Elden ring has a higher pace but the general attack speeds are slower and more deliberate than people think.

  • @SirSkeleton-i3y
    @SirSkeleton-i3y 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Two words git gud

    • @Sputnik34
      @Sputnik34  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ?? I've beaten DS3 three times

    • @SirSkeleton-i3y
      @SirSkeleton-i3y 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Sputnik34 DAM 17 SECS AGO SHIT also it was for the funni

    • @Sputnik34
      @Sputnik34  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SirSkeleton-i3y I am omnipotent

    • @SirSkeleton-i3y
      @SirSkeleton-i3y 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Sputnik34 although I disagree with your opinion on Dark Souls 3 and Dark Souls archthrones, but you are a good person👍 anyways I'm gonna become giant dad 😎

  • @Poagoo
    @Poagoo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Guys he’s talking about Dark Souls III again, everybody SHUT UP.

    • @Sputnik34
      @Sputnik34  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is that a good or a bad thing

    • @Poagoo
      @Poagoo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Sputnik34 it’s a good thing don’t worry. I completely agree with you on Dark Souls III, and Dark Souls II, so I always like hearing you talk about how you don’t like DS3 and how Heide’s Tower of Flame is pretty epic. Also Lies of P too.