I explore this topic again, testing 2 different slugs in 177, each brand has 2 different weights. Will the sub 12 fpe airguns be able to send the slugs down range accurately? #slugs
Heh heh, like a shotgun! Just goes to show Sub 12 is still the pellet's domain - why change? Good pellet in a good gun - accurate, cheap, deadly... And goes to show just how accurate that HW100 is - on that day, on that bench, with those pellets it was better than the AA! So the general conclusion, save your money and stay with the tried and true! Nice comparison Gert and always a great sense of humour. Any Sub 12 content gratefully received.
The one thing this says to me and to a lot of other sub12 shooters, is JSB pellets RULE! 👍👏👏👏 and who needs a HP slug, when a spherical head, small waist and conical skirt kills like lightning anyway? Good review though Gert. Thanks for saving a lot of us a lot of money and frustration. 😅👍🍻🍻
I tried all sorts of slugs at 12 ft/lbs the best were zan 10 in my daystate pulsar the zan 13 were next but at 50m at least 150mm point of impact change to the right not too much drop difference and hit harder than pellets
Love watching these tests. Bit of a test nerd myself. Have to agree about the single load / magazine. No diiference whatsoever with my FX wildcat .22/ .25, FAC (both tested with 6 different barrels) A 30 yr old Webley Axsor .22, and a new Gamo Swarm .177. Groups from EVERY one using a total of 52 different pellets/slugs show no differences measured to the nearest .5 mm. P.S. I won our club comp x2 using magazine fed .22 sub 12 wildcat 50m class.
I think it's all about the barrel when shooting slugs. Pellets need a choked barrel to perform best. For slugs, a none choked barrel is best. Your two rifles in use were shooting extremely well with pellets so they are obviously choked. You need to try this experiment with none choked barrels.
Enjoyed your video as always, even though it was a struggle :) On topic of slugs in sub12 i highly recommend you watch this video ""EXPLOSIVE" SUB 12FT/LB SLUG TEST - 3 DIFFERENT RIFLES - MANY DIFFERENT SLUGS" which busts a lot of myths and proves slugs can shoot highly accurate in sub12 even at 100m. Blew my mind.
Hiya bud I'm in the UK and the slugs I'd seen doing well were the Mako slugs and I think it's Pression Ballistics I mentioned them to you a good while ago maybe a year, I don't know if you have tried them or not but everyone I saw that tried them spoke very highly of them
IMO sub 12 guns should stay with what works…pellets especially in .177. The gun is already limited so badly in that caliber that anything past 40 yards hunting wise to me is unethical really. Not saying that it can’t be done but I wouldn’t do it. Pellets have been working forever so if it isn’t broke no need to fix it. If you want to shoot farther than that with a .177 hunting then it’s time to get an FAC and even a bigger caliber too. Happy holidays Gert.
They need a bigger slug of air behind them in choked barrels , they definitely need to be faster tho - try getting them 13 gr zans to fly around 640 fps ( the fps i found to get my best grouping )
TBH, I've had much better groups than those in both 10gr and 13gr. Not sure I've tested them in the Weihrauch barrel? In my Brocock they've been pretty good even out to 50m in sub 12 ft Ibs
Hello Gert,with my Fx Dreamline I got a little better results with Jsb slugs (between 800-850 fps) which are still unacceptable,I hope mkII versions will give better results but still are unavailable in my country,how about SA?Greetings from Istanbul.
@@fatherdaughterandsonfishing slugs are better suited for fac .above 80 ftp .but thats not a rule i got a 30 dreamline tuned Thats going at 135 joule (150 joule max)and pellets doeing well
Oh and no you cant pump up your gun for slugs, if you do that and the police check your gun with their pellets and it's 13 fpe or something, you're off to the nick!
@@AimSmall I agree if you can get them to shoot accurately and hit what you are aiming at. Slugs need speed and hefty slugs vs sub12 and speed is an oxymoron. Anyway, just my opinion.
Please keep me posted, I had very little success due to the additional friction in the barrel, the sub 12fpe doesn't like slugs, they came out the barrel ar 620fps max.
Heh heh, like a shotgun! Just goes to show Sub 12 is still the pellet's domain - why change? Good pellet in a good gun - accurate, cheap, deadly... And goes to show just how accurate that HW100 is - on that day, on that bench, with those pellets it was better than the AA! So the general conclusion, save your money and stay with the tried and true! Nice comparison Gert and always a great sense of humour. Any Sub 12 content gratefully received.
The one thing this says to me and to a lot of other sub12 shooters, is JSB pellets RULE! 👍👏👏👏 and who needs a HP slug, when a spherical head, small waist and conical skirt kills like lightning anyway? Good review though Gert. Thanks for saving a lot of us a lot of money and frustration. 😅👍🍻🍻
I tried all sorts of slugs at 12 ft/lbs the best were zan 10 in my daystate pulsar the zan 13 were next but at 50m at least 150mm point of impact change to the right not too much drop difference and hit harder than pellets
Love watching these tests. Bit of a test nerd myself. Have to agree about the single load / magazine. No diiference whatsoever with my FX wildcat .22/ .25, FAC (both tested with 6 different barrels) A 30 yr old Webley Axsor .22, and a new Gamo Swarm .177. Groups from EVERY one using a total of 52 different pellets/slugs show no differences measured to the nearest .5 mm. P.S. I won our club comp x2 using magazine fed .22 sub 12 wildcat 50m class.
I live in the land of sub 12 fpe (UK) I have never found a slug yet that works, not in my Leshiy or FX that is.
Gert, your results with the EV2 were the same as I've had with all my sub 12 .177 air rifles. Not bothering wasting anymore time with slugs.
I think it's all about the barrel when shooting slugs. Pellets need a choked barrel to perform best. For slugs, a none choked barrel is best. Your two rifles in use were shooting extremely well with pellets so they are obviously choked. You need to try this experiment with none choked barrels.
Interesting video, both lots of slugs all over the place in AA
Enjoyed your video as always, even though it was a struggle :) On topic of slugs in sub12 i highly recommend you watch this video ""EXPLOSIVE" SUB 12FT/LB SLUG TEST - 3 DIFFERENT RIFLES - MANY DIFFERENT SLUGS" which busts a lot of myths and proves slugs can shoot highly accurate in sub12 even at 100m. Blew my mind.
i got .22 call air gun ARTEMIS GR 1600 W break barrel Can you find out for me which pellets or slugs are good for this gun for hunting at 50 M
Hiya bud I'm in the UK and the slugs I'd seen doing well were the Mako slugs and I think it's Pression Ballistics I mentioned them to you a good while ago maybe a year, I don't know if you have tried them or not but everyone I saw that tried them spoke very highly of them
I remember you mentioning them, unfortunately not available in South Africa yet.
Had a go with slugs in my HW100,hopeless,JSB heavies all the way I've given up trying anything else
IMO sub 12 guns should stay with what works…pellets especially in .177. The gun is already limited so badly in that caliber that anything past 40 yards hunting wise to me is unethical really. Not saying that it can’t be done but I wouldn’t do it. Pellets have been working forever so if it isn’t broke no need to fix it. If you want to shoot farther than that with a .177 hunting then it’s time to get an FAC and even a bigger caliber too. Happy holidays Gert.
They need a bigger slug of air behind them in choked barrels , they definitely need to be faster tho - try getting them 13 gr zans to fly around 640 fps ( the fps i found to get my best grouping )
TBH, I've had much better groups than those in both 10gr and 13gr.
Not sure I've tested them in the Weihrauch barrel? In my Brocock they've been pretty good even out to 50m in sub 12 ft Ibs
Great example of horses for courses,slugs need a bit more of something,,,,god knows what.
Speed, they need speed, lots of it. And a fastish twist rate to stabilize them.
Hello Gert,with my Fx Dreamline I got a little better results with Jsb slugs (between 800-850 fps) which are still unacceptable,I hope mkII versions will give better results but still are unavailable in my country,how about SA?Greetings from Istanbul.
Hi, it makes no sense to shoot slugs under 12 power
Totally agree 👍🏻
yes at that low speed you need drag stabilisation ,a hollow slug , solid base slugs need speed and or fast twist
Depends on the slug I’m using mako slugs in my .177 ghost sub 12 at 700fps and hitting targets at 45 yards under a 5p
Zane and knockouts are no good you need mako slugs in sub 12
@@fatherdaughterandsonfishing slugs are better suited for fac .above 80 ftp .but thats not a rule i got a 30 dreamline tuned
Thats going at 135 joule (150 joule max)and pellets doeing well
Oh and no you cant pump up your gun for slugs, if you do that and the police check your gun with their pellets and it's 13 fpe or something, you're off to the nick!
Slugs sub 12fpe. 177, rather get my teeth cleaned 😂
Painful, I agree. Pellets in this power setting is a no brainer.
tried slugs in my fx impact sub 12ftlb,,,total waste of money,not one any were near the other, H&N 8.64 pellet on pellet.
Nice, I can't seem to get the H&N to group as well as the JSB's, maybe I just have a bad tin or two.
It’s beyond me why anyone with a sub 12 rifle would want to shoot slugs. What’s the point?
Everybody was hoping the 10gr slugs would work, the BC is a lot better than pellets, thus better in the wind and retain more hitting power.
@@AimSmall I agree if you can get them to shoot accurately and hit what you are aiming at. Slugs need speed and hefty slugs vs sub12 and speed is an oxymoron. Anyway, just my opinion.
I'm just about to do sub 12 slugs in .177 I finished off .22 in sub 12...only ok under 30yds
Please keep me posted, I had very little success due to the additional friction in the barrel, the sub 12fpe doesn't like slugs, they came out the barrel ar 620fps max.