💥FPV Dogfight from RC Plane Cockpit - E-flite Carbon-Z T-28💥
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- Realistic RC plane battle using head-tracking FPV from the cockpit of two E-flite Carbon-Z Trojan T-28 2.0m (6S). Head tracking FPV camera enables each pilot to intuitively look at bandit through aerobatic maneuvers simply by moving his head without losing sight. It's the most immersive, realistic flying experience possible flying a RC plane.
Link to build head tracker: headtracker.gitbook.io/head-t...
Link to buy the best head tracker: fpvdogfight.com/products/tall...
Link to buy the best FPV pan & tilt gimbal: fpvdogfight.com/
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
0:17 Head-tracking demo
0:31 Takeoff
1:32 Dogfight Round 1
2:46 Dogfight Round 2
4:10 Dogfight Round 3
5:14 Dogfight Round 4
6:35 Landing
Field: Bob Swenson Field/Orange County Modelers Association
#FPV #headtracking #dogfight - บันเทิง
Ya should make a how -to setup head tracker video!
Thanks for the suggestion. Still working on one.
Awesome! Really dig your videos! Takes rc flying to a whole new level!
@@aidengriffen in the meantime, here's a mini tutorial on transmitter setup for head-tracker:
th-cam.com/video/zpi_qeuuT8k/w-d-xo.html
@@motionsic In the video, the guy helping you, is out of the cameras view, in some parts. He's making wired connections that you can't see. So it makes the tutorial unclear as how things are wired up from the goggles to the transmitter. If you decide to make another how to video. I suggest that you do it in a series of small videos instead of one large video. Like one on just the equipment needed and then another one on the open source software. Then a nother on transmitter setup. I think in this manner it would be more intuitive and easier to understand.
@@jimvalim1567 Excellent suggestion! I have been filming the pieces and several versions. But have not figured out how to present them in a cohesive manner.
You have no idea how many times I've watched this video and hearing you guys have a great time gets me so amped!! I have everything I need now except the Carbon Z T-28. Thanks for the videos and advice.
Thanks for your enthusiastic support and glad to hear you are inspired to take action! You will have lots of fun this coming flying season. In the meantime, here's another training video of us formation training in the CZ T-28. Enjoy🙂 th-cam.com/video/eOkzltJNGcI/w-d-xo.html
I am really nuts for this product. excellent
I Saw your guys RC field while flying the arriaval into Long Beach!
What a beautiful sight/site😁 Makes you wanna join the club doesn’t it?
That's so dope. I have been following you for quite a while now, and you just keep getting better, with cooler tech. Rock on!
Thanks for the encouragement!
So cool!
Another inspiring video!!
Just incredible, like another commenter said, you have always been enjoying with your videos. Every time I watch your videos I'm hyped! Always pushing the envelope every flight.
Thanks for the affirmation! There are dozens of flights that are never seen between my published videos. I only edit and present ones that are worthy of your time and mine🙂
Great flying! Really cool tandem FPV setup.
Thanks! Glad you like it🙂
6:11 so dope! can't wait to get into this hobby
Very cool Rob. Loved it! 😊👍
Yay! Thanks Ken!
Sweet! Looks like y’all had a lot of fun.
Yes. Lots of fun. You will love your CZ T-28!
Good times! Very cool!!
Good times indeed!
You really fixed the audio. I appreciate it man, thank you.
Also, good dogfight. Entertaining video.
Thanks for the heads up! Just needed to pay attention when editing👍
You could try setting up laser tag units on the aircraft too. Be able to get those accurate shots.
Work in progress…
The Landing part is so excellent!
Thank you!
It would be interesting to see a gimbal that has pan, tilt, and roll
This is outstanding. Really well done. Makes me want to try FPV, and I have some big planes it would be great in.
Thanks! It's very rewarding to learn to fly from a new perspective. I often forget to breath concentrating so much on learning to land or keeping in formation when I first started flying FPV. It's intense!
Super cool stuff
Thanks!
Very good, i will enjoy getting to know this technology and you guys, Orange Country, spent some time there when i was working in the US, good weather, Mexican food, beer = yum ;-)
Change the playback speed to 0.75 and enjoy
That works better for smaller planes. This 2m one playback at 0.75 may be too slow. I like this plane because the flight dynamics are much closer to full scale than the small planes.
Hi Robert, this is your buddy Mike Thompson from Sarasota RC Squadron in Florida. We now have 4 people with BAG and Tally-Ho head trackers in our club, and it seems like more people are interested each weekend when they see how much fun we are having! I'm getting really good at setting up your systems and tuning the head trackers to make them work how each person prefers.The view looking around with DJI O3 Air Unit through Goggles 2 or Integra is really gorgeous!
That’s great to hear! I appreciate your help to get more of your friends to enjoy this new angle on RC flying. Have you had a chance to put the ARMS reflex sight to work? I look forward to hearing your feedback after using it in flight🙂
The 2 M Trojan is amazing for this as ots huge with plenty space for every bit of kit and batteries 😊
Agree 100%
Looks too fun. Just need to add the A.C.E. MICRO COMBAT SYSTEM to the planes
Yeah, that or the FPV-Combat one. Will do it soon!
We need the ultimate setup with this camera in 2k or 4k with real-time telemetry and native integration for BVM and Skymaster Jets.
That would indeed be the ultimate setup😎. But I recommend trying it out with EDF jets first😉
That’s super cool man I want to get into a setup during 2024, but my first one needs to be a stol bush plane I’m not sure I’ll have access to a paved runway
Glad you are inspired to give it a try. Most STOL planes are tail draggers. Just make sure your camera is positioned high enough to see over the nose on the ground.
😵 My life will now be dedicated to doing this.
Nice! It will be a fun fulfilled life😁
this is so fucking epic
Agree! Add reticle to dogfight, and it would look like WW II reenactment😉
th-cam.com/video/zvLvsb9IaSI/w-d-xo.html
You really have the FPV dogfighting technique working well. Maybe there is some kind of laser emitter and receiver you can use for scoring. The laser may be visible on the opponent which would be a plus. Regardless, when you strike the receiver on opponent's aircraft you could have a flashing strobe or aubile beep to record hits. No bullet drop effect, but might be cool.
The reflector site you've used before works great. A must have I would think. Good stuff.
Indeed! There are readymade laser (IR) tag products from FPV-combat.com. I just have been putting off installing them preferring to work on the dogfight skills first. I think we are finally ready to put the laser tag systems to good use😎
@@motionsic
Well, you and your buds are pretty much nailing it. Fun to watch. Keep up the good work. 👍
@@tombeers3489 Thanks you, will do!
So cool! I have been fallowing you guys for a while. I have some motion RC edf jets I would like to convert to FPV. When is the next time you guys are flying? Can I come and watch? Im an hr away from your field. Thanks!
Tomorrow (Friday) afternoon is very good weather wise, so we might go. If not, then Sunday afternoon.
For example using Thrustmaster TPR rudder pedals and HORTAS Warthog throttle and stick.
Good dog fight, what rc planes are recommended to build this around?
T-28’s are good picks. Get one as big as you can comfortably transport and store. Otherwise, any tricycle plane you are comfortably flying in your hangar that’s 1.2 m span or more with a removable cockpit (battery hatch) for ease of install.
I wonder if you could attach a laser tag system to actually keep track of shots while in flight, you could even have a flight hud in the fpv goggles lol.
Both can be done. Physical HUD is better than in Goggles though.
Man that would be so fun, I've gotta come battle you guys one day 😁
That’s the spirit! Challenge accepted😁
Love your videos! Just curious, how are the gimball servos recieving their signal? Do they have their own reciever or are there extra channels on the plane reciever to use? Like others have already suggested, a full setup video would be great!
Gimbal servos plug into spare two channels on receiver. Head-tracker sends PPM signals into master transmitter using trainer/buddy box mode acting as student transmitter, but only assigned to control the gimbal channels. Very simple and straight forward.
@@motionsic Thanks for the reply! That's what I figured. I'm planning on buying your gimball and 1.2 T-28 to mount it in just like you showed in one of your earlier videos. However, the T-28 only comes with a 6 channel reciever and won't have enough for the gimball servos. What reciever did you use for the T-28 1.2?
@@atlasfreeman1310 I use FrSky R10Pro receiver. I use FrSky X20S transmitter.
I see your videos when you post on RCG. Just subscribed. Do you ever give advice to folks who are interested in learning. I have the CZ T-28 and I'm a seasoned pilot, but I know very little about FPV. For one thing I wear glasses and have heard that good goggles for me would be hard to find and expensive. True?
DJI Goggles 2 has individual focus adjustment for each eye. So they could be a good choice for you. But DJI is about to release next gen products. So it may be better for you to wait a few months to see what they bring out next.
I'll keep my eyes open for them. Thanks
Imagine a laser tag setup in this
Checkout FPV-combat.com🙂
Incredible. So I’m assuming this is the 3 axis gimbal? What servos does it use, they are so smooth!
Two axis gimbal. Savöx servos. O3 Air Unit Camera has electronic image stabilization built-in.
@@motionsic awesome, thanks! The image stabilization is really good.
Can you please tell me your max settings and your setttings for the tally ho head tracker?
Hello Sr. Did you buy the FPV sistem?, Rotation system from left to right and from top to bottom.
Do you ever use the RC laser tag stuff with head tracker planes?
Not yet…
It needs a laser tag system for kill confirm;)
Indeed, sorely needed.
Unrelated - But I am planning on purchasing the Viper 70mm instead of the 90mm... I assume the gimbal/and o3 dji unit will still fit in there similar to the 90mm? Thanks!
No worries. Viper 70 has plenty of room for all the FPV equipment. It has the biggest canopy in the 70mm EDF jet class. Make sure you have fan to blow on O3 air unit, it would overheat quickly without the fan.
appreciate the reply! I see you fly a lot with out the canopy glass on top. I assume for cooling.@@motionsic
How do you record your conversion and the inflight sounds?
I used my phone to record convo. No recording onboard for this video. O3 air unit does not have mic.
for dog fighting if possible you can use ir
Will do🙂
You need a big plane for the fpv head tracker? How do you adjust the CG on plane? I'm thinking a 2 meter plane or bigger for the extra equipment.
Are you flying without the canopy?
I saw your video on how to setup head tracking on spectrum, but the camera view was narrow and there were spots in the video that your friend was doing setup that was out of camera view. So doing the setup is not quite clear.
The gimbal, camera & VTX are quite small and can fit on 40” plane. But for realistic flying experience, I recommend 55” or bigger planes. And even bigger ones as target for buddies to see easier in the goggles. FPV camera lens are wide angle so make everything seem smaller. Small planes are hard to see as targets.
Have i seen a o3 air unit??
How did you do to get full power transmision without using a fc to set the MSP arm order???
Both perspectives are from O3 air unit, neither used FC, so no full power. But plenty to fly within our RC field. Would still have better range than the RC range. Just need to turn low power off.
@motionsic what he was implying is, the O3 AirUnit can never goto Full power without a Flight controller
Wow!
Good news.
I have made a headtracker and I only need to mount it on my plane, a Kiosho Calmato 40 Electric powered. But I didn't know how to do with O3 air unit.
Now I have a good reference.
Thank's!!@@motionsic
People talks about a arduino project that can give full power to o3, but I havn`t try it.@@lexusflip5096
What voltage regulator are u using for the servos?
5V, Matek UBEC Duo
Where was the information to your tally ho head tracker settings that you use? I am trying to go for max pan and tilt. I forgot where you said yours was.
The default settings are fine in the head tracker. Just increase pan to 140% travel or weight on your RC transmitter for the pan. Tilt settings depend on camera, but start small and increase to your liking.
Please tell me your tilt settings.@@motionsic
Great videos thanks. I've yet to fly my E-flite Carbon-Z T-28 but have bought your head tracker and gimbal from your website. I'd love to add a gunsight too and believe you are looking at that as an option to sell too? In the meantime is there a gunsight solution you would recommend? In another of your videos I noticed reference to "ARMS - Attitude Reference Miniature Sight" but suitability for up to 1700mm (the T-28 is 2000 of course). However, when I search for that online (here in the UK) I get lots of very expensive results and none look like the one you use here or on the Viper 90.
I know that a Flight Controller is not essential but the ability to see all that on screen display information is so appealling so I am going to do so. TThis will be especially useful as I am adding the airspeed sensor to my model so want that on the screen for landing.
Thanks for your support🙂. ARMS will be released soon on our website. Telemetry OSD from FC is very helpful, so definitely go for it. The artificial horizon from OSD require careful calibration to line up with the horizon, same as with the ARMS. If not precisely lined up, AH becomes a distraction instead of being useful.
ARMS looks a bit small in CZ T-28 cockpit, but I still use one since it’s so helpful, this is what it looks like in my CZ T-28:
th-cam.com/video/IlKHCy2GeOM/w-d-xo.html
@@motionsic I've seen that some gimbal users suffer from servo creep where the tilt and/or pan servos slowly move without demand (no head movement). I'm currently configuring my Motionsic BAG setup alongside a Walksnail Moonlight camera/VTX system. I guess that this servo 'creep' might be caused by the video transmitter signal (that originates next to the gimbal) might cause such interference. I'd welcome your thoughts and if you've encountered this and considered screening the servo cable?
@@TonyWheelerFWB It’s not a servo issue, it’s a head-tracker issue. I have zero drift issues with the Tally-Ho head-tracker when paired with DJI Goggles V1 & V2. Our Tally-Ho 2 works well with DJI Goggles 2, but exhibits more “drift” episodes compared to aforementioned pairing due to magnetic variation on the Goggles 2. A proper head-tracker (magnetometer) calibration with HT affixed to the Goggles with everything turned on solves the drift issue. I normally do not have to recenter my head-tracker for the entire flight except at start up.
Follow this video to calibrate your head-tracker with Goggles X:
th-cam.com/video/DwtC1GqwQ4U/w-d-xo.html
Is one of the planes running two head trackers? Front seat and back seat? More info please, if that's true.
Yes! But not in this flight. The front unit was disabled. I run the two HT and gimbals on a separate RC TX & RX from the ones for flight control, so I can still use the buddy-box normally to train a newbie. But the two FPV system concept is not successful yet. There’s a lot of interference due to the two VTX being so close together, the visual quality degrades significantly when both air units are turned on.
Good to know. Thanks. @@motionsic
Other than having better visual, are there any other reason why you guys don't put the canopy on? Do electronics in the canopy heat up so much that you rather have the canopy off?
The canopy clarity is so bad as to make the plane un-flyable with canopy on. It’s not easy to make optically clear canopy. We have fans to cool off the video transmitters so heat dissipation is not the issue.
@motionsic Is the canopy clarity issue specific for that plane or for every other plane you own?
Is the Motionsic B.A.G. compatible with TX16s and Fat Shark HD02 ?
The BAG pan & tilt just plugs into any plane receiver using two channels. The head-trackers work with TX16s Mk2. Mk1's need adapter or reordering of wires to the DSC port. HT's are only affixed to goggles and share heir power.
@@motionsic Hrm, I was told the HD02's have the hardware inside for it already - will have to go look it up.
Not sure how to tell Mk1 from Mk2 - purchased mid 2023 with a ZOHD Drift to get used to Wings, after multirotors, time to pull the manuals out again! :)
@@PiDsPagePrototypes if you bought it in 2023, it’s a Mk2. You need to find a Fatshark Trinity HT module for HDO2.
I use a Futaba 14SG and Dragonlink so the Dragonlink plugs into the trainer port so I assume you can’t use the head tracker?
TBS Crossfire works the same way, but It has a HT port to allow PPM in, so it works. Does Dragonlink have a port for PPM input?
You know, I think it does. I’ll go back and check
How many wires are needed for the head tracker. The one I have for my Fatsharks that ran off the Dragonlink is just 2 wires
@@SuperVette05 just two, signal and ground to the RC transmitter. Head-tracker shares power from goggles battery.
@@motionsic Thank You
Do you use ELRS yet?
Not yet. We can’t go far at our field.
I got it for crossfire and spektrum and got head tracking information setup for radiolink rc car stuff. Getting ready to put a gimbal and camera in a traxxas x-maxx 8s@@motionsic
@@user-vn9dk2dx3z sounds like a beast!
I am interested in putting it on my airplane, and I don't know where to buy this system, would you be so kind as to tell me where to buy it? Thank you very much.
Here’s the list to get:
DJI Goggles Integra:
www.dji.com/mobile/goggles-integra
DJI O3 Air unit
www.dji.com/mobile/o3-air-unit
Motionsic BAG - BadAss Gimbal
fpvdogfight.com/products/motionsic-b-a-g-badass-gimbal
Tally-Ho 2 Head-tracker
fpvdogfight.com/products/tally-ho-2-prebuilt-head-tracker
Read this page about how to set up on planes:
fpvdogfight.com/blogs/news
Why dont you guys put laser tag sensors on the planes, it shouldn't be that hard to add a switch wired trigger. Just repurpose some old kids laser tag and then you can actually shoot and register hits.
We are just to pre-occupied doing other stuff. There’s off the shelf RC laser tag solutions.
good the only defect is tha t you cannot see airspeed and altitude
Thanks for the suggestion!
@@motionsic look forward to see it very soon
You can get OSD with a flight controller running Beta flight. True airspeed requires a pitot tube sensor. It seems pretty complicated but I'm going to try it out soon on a beater plane with BAG and DJI O3 Air unit.
I have designed a combat with an electric soft air rifle many times but the wing loading would be too high....even eliminating the excess parts of the rifle would be too much weight.....
Even on a two meter plane? That's surprising...
@@motionsic 1.5 meters is perfect for transport...fly acrobatics and more ....
It is time to ditch the traditional radio transmitter/controller...start using the "Sim Pit" controls that DCS players are using...Next Level Racing Boeing Military Edition Cockpit and related rudder controller, stick controller, and throttle controller.
Good suggestion, but portability is an issue to get it to where we fly, usually out in the boonies😉
@@motionsic definitely must be storable to fit in a car trunk.