How We Went From The Beatles To Cardi B - What A Sad State America is In
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How did American culture decline so rapidly?
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This segment is precisely why I listen to Andrew Klavan. His wisdom is palpable and his words are expressed like a Keats poem. Prager and Klavan have taught me soooo much.
Taught you a bunch of hate-filled BS.
@@bradbla Lol. Tu gringo loca! To say such a foolish thing, you’re either crazy, drunk, high, or an utter fool.
Theres no wisdom here, just fear-mongering about nothing.
Same here. Mr. Andrew Klavan really motivates me to read more philosophical works and old literature. Keep up the good work and never stop learning. Take care Miguel.
@@HelloHello-vk5ob Yes indeed! Klavans dastardly fear mongering is just way over the top. How dare he discuss Shakespeare, philosophy and religion. Oh the pernicious hater of all that’s good that he is. Away with him and his listeners to the gulags!
Music has degraded and so has American culture, Society is basically going to hell. We have lost morality, civility and rationality. We have ignored our Constitution our law and order and have no regard for family or faith. Our country went into down fall after Roe versus Wade and placed our faith in the government, schools and media rather than in our family structure. We have placed material wealth and love of self over loving our country and our citizens. You can tell a countries cultural level based on how it treats its "own children and the elderly".
So true I 100% agree
It really started dowbhill aftervthe assassination of JFK. Shortly after drugs sere introduced into American youth culture and it has beendownhill rvdr since. You are right about Roe vs Wade that was one of a number of things between 1970 and1974. Aug @5 1970 Nixon removed the dollar from the gold standard. Then military draft was suspended. Americans ran from Vietnam. The feminist movement took off with “I AmWoman” by Helen Reddy. Homosexuality was removed from medical journal as a medical disorder. AndRoe vs Wade. All this in just four years that has led to today. It’s been a steady decline since then and there is no recovery. I left that part ofthe world in 1990 asI could see what was happening but not as clearly as now. I could not have imagined then what it would be like now. I used to go back to visit every year but stopped inJune 2001 three months before 9/11. It was homelessness in Seattle that stopped me. Then 9/11 and it’s just gone to hell ever since and it’s not by accident.
@@garyfrancis6193 you sure made alot of valid points. The socialist movement gained a great deal of movement during the Vietnam era as colleges started the lefts narritive against our countries attack against North Koreans Communist take over of the South Country.
Everything from Music to clothes. Society has collapsed.
Music in western culture as a whole started to really decline in the 1990s. The Europeans were ahead of America and Britain when it came to producing trashy music.
It was the Swedish producer culture that created the current pop sound which is highly engineered computational sequencing that is not artist driven.
The Beatles were wrong, Cardi shows that I can buy me love, at an hourly rate.
and a nightly rate
Well, you clearly haven't listened to Cardi's masterpiece 'Get Up 10'. In this bit of musical perfection she states quite clearly the lines; "I used to dance in a club right across from my school, I said dance not fuck, don't you get get it confused, had to set the record straight because bitches love to assume.". Thus, you can clearly see that she was not a prostitute. Merely an adult entertainer. This makes you a quote on quote 'bitch that loves to assume.' Thank you.
Hahaha...
For better or worse, the lyric you cite is one of the first rock lyrics that I remember from childhood. I found it to be sound thinking. Still do.
😂😂😂 good one
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When I was a kid the preachers preached against the Beatles...Elvis, etc. They said exactly this was going to happen. They were so mocked and ridiculed for that stand...yet they were not wrong.
It's mind boggling to be living thru what was predicted.
You can’t compare the Beatles and Elvis, to the garbage they sing now. Cardi B is disgusting and it shows how we have failed as a society when kids are listening to hardcore trash.
they were wrong about the Beattles and Elvis though.
@@Jdudec367 Were they....the Beatles and Elvis were a fork in the road...a road that led us here.
@@mikeyant2445 I mean...yeah they were, because they didn't really lead us here.
Excellent program! Sadly, the slip has taken the current climate into wrong is right and right is wrong... and yes, into evil!
As its supposed to
"In the Last Days, Men Will Call Good Evil & Evil Good." -- Bible. We're H - E - R - E ! :-(
The most boomer conservative comment i’ve ever read
@@asaking5795 you should respect your elders
As I grow older and see the demolition of American music, I draw nearer to Rachmaninoff, Mozart and Debussy. Such lovely music, and Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No. 2 always reminds me of the powerful and triumphant Spirit of Man. I'll take him.
Josef Strauss is a great composer 🎼
It is not just American culture but western culture as a whole.
Not only music, but society.
I think what you’re trying to pinpoint Andrew is the difference between refinement and coarseness.
Popular culture is coarse and it coarsens those who choose to be influenced by it.
The Wokeness is killing this country! God help us!!
@@EM-vs7wxso true
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Wokeness is not the issue and never has been the issue. Western media which 99% of western people develop their world view through is creating a warped view of the real world.
And that warping has been at play for the last several decades. A young child today develops their brains through that warped world view.
If conservatives really want to get things back again they really need to start with a foot in popular culture.
@@bighands69 The way I see it, if conservatives REALLY want to bring back old-fashioned values, they need to stop playing on the defensive. I'm not suggesting they go on the offensive, but they need to be assertive in their belief that these values are still relevant and not tainted by association with other phenomena from the past. One thing I can't stand hearing is when conservatives play right into leftist hands by getting so apologetic about oppressive social systems in the past that they end up saying, "You can't judge the past by today's moral standards!" Once you've said that, you've automatically lost the argument. You've just admitted, basically, that you think the past was inherently immoral. And once you've insinuated that, how can you convince your critics that we should bring back the "moral" values of the past, having just confirmed in the minds of your opponents that they were not moral at all?
That's why I think it's of the utmost importance that conservatives try to undercut sociocultural leftism by beating it at its own game. Emphasize the progressive elements of past eras, not their conservative elements. Cherry-pick if you have to; if you can find just one exception to a so-called rule, then there is no rule. This isn't to say that progressivism is always better than conservatism, but simply that progressivism is possible in an old-fashioned context. It's a dilemma that has haunted me since childhood: why can't political progressivism and sociocultural conservatism coexist? Why must we choose one or the other?
@@SeasideDetective2 It has existed. The social reforms of the early 1900's were necessary. The engine of conservative work ethic needs to be controlled by progressivish laws. The 40 hour workweek was a great example....but the controls should control...not destroy. Now they are at the destruction phase....destroying the engine.
I love Frank Sinatra AND The Beatles. I also totally agree with Klavan here.
She interviewed Biden. Say no more
@@murphymerryliz I wondered if he even knew who she was or what she was about.
I wanted to write something in defense of the Beatles, but I came up short. They matured a lot in their decade together, but more so in their musical ability than their lyric writing. I had to concede Andrew's point. We are living in the fall of Western Civilization. I shudder to think that Cardi B is not the bottom of that fall.
Well considering that The Beatles mostly remade/covered existing music and aspired to be like Elvis among others. I dare say that Elvis and others were what spurred the downfall. Not so much The Beatles.
@@artexjay Yes. It started before the Beatles. I think Andrew picked the Beatles as an example because that is when he first noticed the change as a 10 year old in the 1960s. The Beatles didn't start it, but they probably made the most of it, just as Cardi B is making the most of our current culture. (Believe me, I am not comparing Cardi B to the Beatles in any other way.)
@@jimclarke8260 I think the very idea of a chart, of number 1, is a marketing thing focused on what is popular, not what is good. Sometimes the good is popular. Often the crowd chooses Barabbas instead of Christ.
The Beatles were masters of writing jingles and catchy music. It is some of the most simple pop music of all times yet some of the most appealing. It is not at the same level of writing as Irving Berlin.
White Christmas is just a magical song that was written by a man who did not come from a Christmas culture which shows the beauty of talented writing.
@@artexjay Are you serious? Andy is way off the mark on this one. He's been hanging around his uptight dorky square Boss too long. What about these Beatles' songs ~ "Across The Universe", "Noregian Wood", "Girl", "Eleanor Rigby", "Here, There & Everywhere", "Blackbird", "Happiness Is A Warm Gun", "In My Life", "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" , "The Long & Winding Road", "Help" & "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"? John Lennon, Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, Neil Young & Leonard Cohen were All better Lyricists than Cole Porter & Irving Berlin. Andy was singling out EARLY Beatles' lyrics. That wasn't fair at all. Cole Porter was the most highly esteemed Lyricist of the Great American Songbook era, but go read the lyric sheet for his classic composition ~ "Let's Do It, Let's Fall In Love" from 1929. Here's an example of some of the lyrics ~ "And That's Why Birds Do It, Bees Do It..Even Educated Fleas Do It. Let's Do It, Let's Fall In Love.". Ooooh...How Profound, Clever & Sophisticated. Chortle..chortle...
One of Andrew Klavan best episodes! He is spot on. I grew up in the same era as Klavan, and I too noticed in the movies and TV shows I (along with all the impressionable minds, kids-teenagers) watched as kids, that all the working class characters wanted to act 'rich'. That is, dressing up in fine clothes, driving fine cars, living in big house, aping an upper class accent, a quick repartee etc., etc. That was cool to us. Success to us of that generation meant some form of all these things...maybe not a mansion, but a house to call our own, a nice car but not a Rolls...... If we fell short in some of our dreams we were still OK.
Today, the same impressionable audience (kids-teenagers) are emulating gangsters. pimps, sluts, tattooed freakshows, drug addicts, etcetera ad nauseum. Education, nope that's for squares, honesty, that's for chumps, hard work that's for fools. This is what is cool now. Kids aspire to these negative images. If they fall short, it aint pretty. Its sad and it ends badly.
The Irony was that America was making cars that were built like Rolls Royce cars yet were within the reach of hard working Americans. Even a 1960s Ford car was on a par with the likes of BMW for quality and had technology that was far ahead of BMW.
Americans had it so good that many did not understand what they had until it was gone. The US media entertainment class has warped the publics mind to the point that they would vote for policies that would hurt them and repeat that voting culture.
The "posh-ification" of the American past has long struck me as wishful thinking. I think much of the "aspiration-ism" of past generations was at least as much about self-doubt and envy as it was about admiration for those values. Or, as Homer Simpson once put it, "Why won't those idiots let me into their crappy club for jerks?"
European visitors to America in the nineteenth century often commented upon the lack of good manners among many Americans, as well as their resentment and bullying of those who were "better" than them. Of course, this attitude eventually changed; it was like the case of the "losers" at school hating the "cool" kids only until they learned how to be cool themselves. But in the process, we forgot much of our own history and started to remember ourselves as something different from what we really had been. We mythologized and romanticized our "log cabin" national folklore until it became unrecognizable to historians.
I'll give just one example, and arguably the most notable example. Latter-day conservatives have, paradoxically, become nostalgic about (among other things) the Old West of the late nineteenth century. Following their lead, we've embraced a narrative of virtuous cowboys protecting women and avoiding violence unless they had no other choice, when in many cases the truth was anything but. Walt Disney and other mythmakers have turned the frontier town into a bygone utopia, which strikes me as insane. Were not those towns inhabited by gangsters, sluts, drug addicts and the like? Weren't those towns usually just as crime--ridden and violent as South Central Los Angeles and the South Bronx are today?
I think there's been something of a neurotic identity crisis at work here. We Americans can never seem to decide whether we want to be better than others or whether we want to rebel by being the "unwashed masses." Theoretically, the middle-class lifestyle is supposed to allow us to have it both ways, but so much of that lifestyle is superficial and phony.
Maybe there's a deeper point I'm missing here, but I'm having trouble perceiving it. The American character appears to me to be two-faced. We seem to be less sure of ourselves than, say, many European nationalities, who have decisively forsaken the classism of their past in favor of social democracy and cultural freedom.
Exactly
MTV is partially to blame. It seems like after Kurt Cobain blew his head off in the mid 90's their was a huge shift culturally in music. Metal, Punk and Alternative were no longer cool anymore so all the white boys and white girls starting listening to and supporting gangsta rap instead. MTV exploited this and by the early 2000's you couldn't find a Rock video on the channel. It just got worse and worse over the years. More about sex less about actual music, so this is why we got what we got at the Grammys.
The fact simply is that there is a huge difference between art and commerce.
What passes for music today is done by PC programs with all of the trickery employed ( auto-tuned vocals, synthesized drums and bass, etc) .
"Back in the day", we had to actually have some talent, some ability, some skill.......
Not any more.
YEP and could play live in concert and sound like it was them....QUEEN>>>>greatest band live ever.
@@leed119 Phil Collins live was better than vinyl. It was almost shocking. I can't imagine Queen. Rock on Lee
What we have today is not music it is just simple sequential sounds that can be identified as having a structure that we can recognise.
Beatles: I want to hold your hand. Cards B: I want to hold your .........
How dare you WAP power, jk Love you klavan
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When I was growing up I had childish tastes. I was told to look at the artists that inspired the artists I was a fan of & discovered how much time waters down art till it just becomes something that will sell.
Ha, Bach was creating music to feed his large family. Many other musicians played for the king and other aristocrats for a living; they brought their work a step up. Major 3rd intervals were once considered evil. It is worthless to judge a genre in its time. A large number of great artist were disparaged for doing something different, and artists still are today.
Sadly we still haven’t reached rock bottom.
As a young sinatra song lover I completely agree
What are you doing here???? I've seen your videos before hahaha
I was born in the 70’s and am so grateful for those wonderful years of playing outside and the freedom we truly had. All the amazing music through the years. It’s so sad to see kids with their iPads who hardly ever leave the house or even go in the garden. The music these days leaves me cold. Cardi b .... it’s utter garbage. What’s happening to society is terrifying
I was born in 64 Scarlet and yes we were lucky to have that. Hold tight to your good memories
It's by design. Look up dr Richard Day 1969. The most bone chilling audio of what was coming by design
@@gingersnap9712 thanks, found it. Will listen. Thank you
@@danielfoster8949 you're welcome! It's slow at first but well worth your time. It'll help you really understand what's going on here
Cole Porter is a magnificent name in the music world, his rendition of "Anything Goes" is the perfect political critique of the time. He mixed poetry and music with satire, that in itself is plain brilliance. They don't make them like that anymore.
Are you serious? Any is way off the mark on this one. He's been hanging around his uptight dorky square Boss too long. What about these Beatles' songs ~ "Across The Universe", "Noregian Wood", "Girl", "Eleanor Rigby", "Here, There & Everywhere", "Happiness Is A Warm Gun", "In My Life", "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" , "The Long & Winding Road" & "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"? John Lennon, Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, Neil Young & Leonard Cohen were All better Lyricists than Cole Porter & Irving Berlin. Andy was singling out EARLY Beatles' lyrics. That wasn't fair at all. Cole Porter was the most highly esteemed Lyricist of the Great American Songbook era, but go read the lyric sheet for his classic composition ~ "Let's Do It, Let's Fall In Love" from 1929. Here's an example of some of the lyrics ~ "And That's Why Birds Do It, Bees Do It..Even Educated Fleas Do It. Let's Do It, Let's Fall In Love.". Ooooh...How Profound, Clever & Sophisticated. Chortle..chortle...
My 82 year old father who grew up dirt poor In Kentucky with an alcoholic father who beat my grandmother, and buried his 36 year old sweet wife (my dad is the strongest person I’ve ever known) is borderline depressed due to the utter rot that is happening in his beautiful country.
I feel your father's pain. I'm old enough now that the end is important in my thoughts and leaving when the world is so bad bothers me immensely! Your father's generation gave so much to provide a better world and look what we've done with their sacrifice, shameful!
@@loganmpe7559 Thanks brother, you are correct. I have those same thoughts too. Seeing this country fall into the abyss is nearly as sad as losing a family member.
I'm 73 years old and feel the same about the UK.
I’m glad my parents are not alive to see this.
The Beatles were no different than the silliness of the rat pack or the 50’s music - remember, jazz was once considered low brow. The Beatle’s music matured as they brought in other musicians. We now have elites (not entertainers) who think “1984” is better than freedom.
I wish journalists, politicians, colleges, social media and entertainers would realize authoritarian government will not hold them in high esteem!
Degradation of society as a whole we need to go back to basics...personal responsibility, hard work, respect, honor, decency...so simple but lost in our current society.
For that to happen there would need to be a movement in creative culture that is built to let young people understand what they can really achieve with the right outlook on life. We currently have a generation of under forties that have a negative world view and live in a very fragile shell.
I often quote Hawkeye's "Ahh Bach", it's my litmus...if one "gets it", we are sympatico. Additionally, I don't want to live in a world where no one knows who Peter Sellers is...💔. Lastly, Cardi-B is Pop-Rocks, utter CRAPOLLA.
I'm 20. i listen to white zombie and Rob zombie as kid. yep I'm rock and roll and heavy metal fan. but I also listen different music genres. but I wondering can you list some Peter sellers songs? cause I like find new musicians listen to. new or old school. and some I grow up on.
The Beatles were the start of music for me. I still smile when I hear A Hard Days Night.
I’m still listening to Sinatra and I Got a Kick Out of You, one of my very favorites. The Beatles actually evolved into serious music with serious lyrics. Our music, our culture is headed in the wrong direction...
Cole Porter was 43 when "I Get a Kick Out of You" came out.
Lennon & McCartney were 23 & 21 when "She Loves You" came out.
Andrew, come on. You can make better arguments than this.
Furthermore, one year later The Beatles would lay down this lyric:
"Bright are the stars that shine/
Dark is the sky/
I know this love of mine/
Will never die.
And, I love her."
Pretty sophisticated, no?
The Beatles were music gods. So was Frank Sinatra. Good point that the Beatles were just kids when she lives you came out. They evolved into music legends in a couple years
I don't think that's an example of sophisticated writing, personally.
@@apebass2215Is "Was she told when she was younger pain would lead to please/did she understand it when they said/that a man must break a back to earn his day of leisure/will she still believe when he's dead?" sophisticated enough for you
I’m 38, was into grunge in the 90’s. Most music I hear made these days is just crazy to me lol... I feel like an old man sometimes, feeling like old men who told me that about classic rock 20 years ago 🤣
I liked grunge music but I never considered it to be in the same class of music as the likes of Dean Martin or Frank Sinatra.
It was something I could discern but I have a strong feeling today that young people actually think what they are listening to is actually music when it is nothing more than simple repetitive sequences that are programmed for machines.
@@bighands69 I agree… I even got into 80’s and 90’s hip hop eventually and wow it has soul and groove I just don’t hear anymore. Had an Elvis phase and wow, for as simple and goofy as the lyrics were it still had soul. Speaking of soul, lol, soul music had soul at one point! I don’t hear about modern music on any level or style that blows my mind.
Now, 80's and 90's music is considered Classic Rock b/c they still used mostly human musicians. Perhaps Adele still does, but not many others.
I listened to your Dad every morning! He was hilarious! I remember him "sending" the crew (Mr. Nat, Bob Snout, Trevor, etc.) to London for Princess Anne's wedding. I even met him when he broadcast from the lobby of the Dollar Drydock Bank on 42nd St. And I agree with you about popular culture.
@Willie Gordon Gene Klavan. Great NYC DJ from the fifties through the seventies at least. He did character voices, comedy routines and so forth. Earlier on he had a partner Dee Finch, whose previous partner was Gene Rayburn of Match Game.
@Willie Gordon Anytime.
Honstly what happened to mainstream music? Yes i know there is some great independant artists now that make great music but im talking about mainstream. Look at the bands that were mainstream in the 60s.The beatles, the animals, moody blues, rolling stones, the who, the doors, simon and garfunkel, beach boys, bob dylan, jimi hendrix experience, mams and papas, the byrds etc i can go on and on. These were artists that were in the mainstream at the time. I don't know what happened but the music that is popualar nowadays is pure rubbish, computer, soulless music with terrible lyrics. Crappy rappers being rammed down our throats. God save us
(1) Those artists were inventing a genre. Now that it's been invented, young ppl are looking to invent something else.
(2) Your bands are the cream of the crop. But,, go back and look at the actual charts from the time. They weren't always the #1 bands.
(3) Lyrics from young ppl generally aren't meant to appeal to middle aged people.
Who says Cardi can sing and dance. Rapping isn't singing...and grinding isn't dancing.
I have seen dozens of Mr Klaven's clips but this is the best analysis: wonderful !!! Thank you !!!
There are no "e"s in Klavan, he just makes it look easy.
I wish I could like this 40,000 times. So very comprehensive, compelling, and convincing.
Beatles' lyrics became remarkably sophisticated with time.
Absolutely agree.
They are extremely over rated imo
A Cardi B fan no doubt. Many years ago Leonard Bernstein, conductor of the the New York Philharmonic said some of the Beatles melodies were equal to Schubert's.
@@CainnechK Maybe you don't like the production which is fair but there is absolutely no doubt they're some of the greatest songwriters ever.
@@CainnechK Are you serious? Andy is way off the mark on this one. He's been hanging around his uptight dorky square Boss too long. What about these Beatles' songs ~ "Across The Universe", "Noregian Wood", "Girl", "Eleanor Rigby", "Here, There & Everywhere", "Happiness Is A Warm Gun", "In My Life", "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" , "The Long & Winding Road" & "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"? John Lennon, Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, Neil Young & Leonard Cohen were All better Lyricists than Cole Porter & Irving Berlin. Andy was singling out EARLY Beatles' lyrics. That wasn't fair at all. Cole Porter was the most highly esteemed Lyricist of the Great American Songbook era, but go read the lyric sheet for his classic composition ~ "Let's Do It, Let's Fall In Love" from 1929. Here's an example of some of the lyrics ~ "And That's Why Birds Do It, Bees Do It..Even Educated Fleas Do It. Let's Do It, Let's Fall In Love.". Ooooh...How Profound, Clever & Sophisticated. Chortle..chortle...
Now I’m reduced to finding good songs in other languages. As of now, French lady called indila
Try Dimash Kudaibergen
CCR isn't new but they're pretty good
I love her music
@@murphymerryliz oh yeah got those two
Listen to Marisa Monte, a Brazilian lady. Just perfect!
The Beatles and Frank Sinatra were masters of their craft. Their filler album tracks and B sides are a hundredfold better than any modern 1# hit!
Modern popular music is not actually music and does not qualify as such.
One of my favorites is Johnny Mathis who is in the same vein as Sinatra and those old greats. I actually sang "Chances Are" as a message left on my wife's voicemail when we were first dating.
"Because I wear this silly grin, the moment you come into view"
Perfect!
To be fair, The Beatles did release “Please Please Me” as their second single. ;)
You mean "She Loves You".
@@JohnJohnson-mo4bn No, that was their fourth single.
Only thing is that even in the song it's restricted to a guy (singer) singing to his girl who doesn't try in the relationship that they are while the guy does his best for her. Within context it's fine.
@@Wired4Life2 I know that. But the song Andrew played was "She Loves You".
Thank you for this. I was never especially taken with the beatles either. Yesterday is nice, but for me that is about all. Simon and Garfunkel on the other hand has some wonderful lyrics. I remember studying the words to "The Old Friends" as part of a poetry unit in school.
Are you serious? What about Beatle songs like ~ "Across The Universe", "Noregian Wood", "Girl", "Eleanor Rigby", "Here, There & Everywhere", "Happiness Is A Warm Gun", "In My Life", "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" , "The Long & Winding Road" & "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" are All better Lyrical Songs than anything Paul Simon Ever wrote..With Garfunkel or Solo. "Yesterday" wasn't even their best song "Lyrically". Andrew is completely wrong. John Lennon & Bob Dylan were better Lyricists than Cole Porter or Irving Berlin. Andrew was singling out early Beatles lyrics. That wasn't fair at all. Cole Porter was the most highly esteemed Lyricist of the Great American Songbook era, but go read the lyric sheet for his classic composition ~ "Let's Do It, Let's Fall In Love" from 1929. Here's an example of some of the lyrics ~ "And That's Why Birds Do It, Bees Do It..Even Educated Fleas Do It. Let's Do It, Let's Fall In Love.". Ooooh...How Profound, Clever & Sophisticated.
@@JohnJohnson-mo4bn I have my criticisms of Andrew too but you picked a bad example to prove your point about Cole Porter. Finish the song. "Let's Do It" is a masterpiece in lyricism. Especially listen to the Ella Fitzgerald Sings the Cole Porter Songbook version.
There was a faux sophistication and a sense of thuggery in the era of Frank Sinatra and the Rat Pack values. There was an art of seduction to that music, that became redundant after the Pill. The Beatles was more a return to simplicity, working class values. They were about finding that one girl to spend your life, rather than a sophisticated evening as a stranger in the night.
But once sex is separated from marriage and children, entering into the world of the Babylon Whoredom, and the complete commodification of sex for monetary gain is all that is left.
The Beatles did have love in their lives in a way that the Rat Pack and Cardinal B never could. Early rock and roll is about the simplicity of love. It has the childlike simplicity to it that leads to children being created and cared for. That is who Paul strove to be.
That is what is missing from the urban music of cardi B, and the Frances wannabe.
Are you serious? Any is way off the mark on this one. He's been hanging around his uptight dorky square Boss too long. What about these Beatles' songs ~ "Across The Universe", "Noregian Wood", "Girl", "Eleanor Rigby", "Here, There & Everywhere", "Happiness Is A Warm Gun", "In My Life", "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" , "The Long & Winding Road" & "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"? John Lennon, Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, Neil Young & Leonard Cohen were All better Lyricists than Cole Porter & Irving Berlin. Andy was singling out EARLY Beatles' lyrics. That wasn't fair at all. Cole Porter was the most highly esteemed Lyricist of the Great American Songbook era, but go read the lyric sheet for his classic composition ~ "Let's Do It, Let's Fall In Love" from 1929. Here's an example of some of the lyrics ~ "And That's Why Birds Do It, Bees Do It..Even Educated Fleas Do It. Let's Do It, Let's Fall In Love.". Ooooh...How Profound, Clever & Sophisticated. Chortle..chortle...
The old Motown music was about love.
"Walk Away Renee" "What Becomes of the Brokenhearted", "My Girl", all lovely, wonderful songs.
Now we have that disgusting freak Cardi B, etc. She's evil and so are the others who produce that trash.
Awesome analysis
In 1963 the top song was 'i wanna hold your hand' and in 2019 it was wap. It's just sad 😐
That's a Lie. "I Want To Hold Your Hand" was # 1 in 1963 in Europe & # 1 in the United States in Early 1964.
Brilliant! I am 70. Most days I can't bear the age we live in. Probably because I remember a much better time. My 20's were at the beginning of this gross crude period in civilization but I had a reference point to balance and weigh things. I can't imagine what those in their 90's must feel. Utterly savaged, I expect. Only God can fix this mess. Pray people. Pray.
Praying is the most useless thing you could do. What is needed is ACTION.
@@Fritha71 my point is it is SO widespread and ingrained it will take a miracle to stop the trajectory.
Klavan....you're the man. Keep them coming.
On a related tone, check out recent “Poet Laureates of the United States.” You know, the position Robert Frost once held. Today it’s a forum to push socially relevant positions.
“In addition,” Tolkien wrote, “in a house three doors away dwells a member of a group of young men who are evidently aiming to turn themselves into a Beatle Group. On days when it falls to his turn to have a practice session the noise is indescribable.”
Which Beatle lived near Tolkien? 😂
@@polyhymnia701 i do not believe it was the Beatles themselves, but a wannabe group that jammed the Beatles music or something like it.
The difference between Cole Porter and Cardi B.? What Porter did in his personal life is what Cardi B. is doing on stage.
Riveting. Thanks Andrew for being such a good teacher
Agreed⚘
We must remember every generation disapproves of the generation before them. We can trace this back to the Jazz Age flapper, Swing, Rock and Roll, the Beatnik, Hippies, Disco, New Wave, Punk, Grunge, EMO and so forth. I think we have entered into another lost generation 2.0. Kids today are lost, confused, and narcissistic.
The point Klavan makes at about 8:45, that there came a moment in time when we in our culture ceased to aspire to high and lofty ideals, to a refinement and a sophistication that had always been the goal, because we came to feel that our country was far from perfect, and maybe so were its traditional ideals is interesting, and I tend to agree, but I'd put the beginning of the decline much earlier than that. I think 1914-18 was the moment in time when Western civilization cut its own throat. It took longer for the effects to seep into our culture here in America, as we entered the war late, and didn't suffer the truly staggering losses the rest of the combatants did. The people of Western Europe saw an entire generation of young men fed into a meat grinder, and who, as the dedication to "All Quiet on the Western Front" says, "even though they may have escaped the shells, were destroyed by the war." That war shook people on a _very_ profound level, and in its aftermath, a lot of people questioned the traditional ideals as they thought that heir countries, their leaders, and their societies had embodied those ideals, and _this_ was what came of it.
But declines take time. Just as Rome wasn't built in a day, it didn't collapse overnight either, and neither will Western civilization. Western Europe didn't fall into a new dark age after the guns stopped firing on the eleventh hour of the eleventh day, in the eleventh month in 1918, but several empires fell, communism, fascism, and nazism grew up in the ruins of those empires, and an even more destructive war than the 14-18 conflict started. That war saw the most soul-crushing, most utterly chilling genocide of human history take place, the advent of atomic weapons, and the Cold War and its accompanying threat of nuclear annihilation. As all of this unfolded, I think people became more and more frightened, more and more dismayed at events, more and more doubtful of human decency, and more and more apprehensive for the future. At the end of the 19th century, the West was _bursting_ with confidence, as its military and cultural power spanned the globe, life had visibly improved materially throughout the century, even if there was still a long way to go, and it seemed like there was nothing civilized man and his science couldn't accomplish. As the 20th century drew to a close that kind of confidence, and that kind of moral certainty were a distant memory. Cardi B's obscene and degraded song is symptom, of this decline, and a sad indicator of how far we've fallen. Even more sobering is the thought of how much farther we might fall yet.
The decline has been going on since before WWI. One by one as institutions failed people, and their expectations diminished, they gradually became more narcissistic. To me, the most prophetic book of our time is "The Culture of Narcissism" by Christopher Lasch. You'd swear it was written today, but he wrote it back in the late 1970s and details this decline in ways much better than I could in a TH-cam comment.
Theres definitely a huge difference between lyrics and how they are presented now and then. Theres some good music in this generation but its rarely that they can translate it so good to be classics. I doubt we will be listening to post Malone and Cardi b in 30 years. Beatles, Sinatra, zeppelin, for sure 👍
I just absolutely love tuning into your wisdom and step away knowing I have learnt something and thoroughly been entertained.
Civil Rights Act 1964, Mr Klavan. That's what happened.
A brilliant analysis, Andrew. Yes: not all rebellion is the same. Rebellion against authority figures may or may not be justified, but rebellion against the ideals that the authorities should represent is the road to ruin.
How did we go from PRESIDENT Donald Trump to 'former vice president' Beijing Biden?
Voter fraud.
We have no say
Living is easy with eyes closed
Misunderstanding all you see
It’s getting hard to be someone but it all works out
It’s doesn’t matter much to me
- John Lennon
It's sad how so many people can't get past Ed Sullivan and "She Loves You".
Two words; Tannhäuser Overture.
Dead on comments, Andrew. Absolutely brilliant commentary - very much in keeping with your thoughts on movie dialogue (for which you smartly used “All About Eve” as a shining example of excellence). I have actually just finished working my way through all of Nat King Cole’s studio albums in chronological order. Whether it’s someone’s personal taste or not, the fact remains that the orchestras and other musicians of those often maligned eras (particularly pre-rock late 40s -early 50s), were genius and infinitely more sophisticated than the Beatles and other rock musicians. I’m sorry and mean no offense to Beatles fans - their work has its place. Anyway ... I think some are missing the point of your comments - which are really about what we’ve lost as a society since the mid-60s. Yes - some things we needed to lose. Other things, sadly, not so much.
Are you serious? Any is way off the mark on this one. He's been hanging around his uptight dorky square Boss too long. What about these Beatles' songs ~ "Across The Universe", "Noregian Wood", "Girl", "Eleanor Rigby", "Here, There & Everywhere", "Happiness Is A Warm Gun", "In My Life", "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" , "The Long & Winding Road" & "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"? John Lennon, Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, Neil Young & Leonard Cohen were All better Lyricists than Cole Porter & Irving Berlin. Andy was singling out EARLY Beatles' lyrics. That wasn't fair at all. Cole Porter was the most highly esteemed Lyricist of the Great American Songbook era, but go read the lyric sheet for his classic composition ~ "Let's Do It, Let's Fall In Love" from 1929. Here's an example of some of the lyrics ~ "And That's Why Birds Do It, Bees Do It..Even Educated Fleas Do It. Let's Do It, Let's Fall In Love.". Ooooh...How Profound, Clever & Sophisticated. Chortle..chortle...
To compare rock music with big bands makes no sense. Might as well compare kids playing stick ball on the street with MLB. Both have their reason for being.
Again...I think you guys are completely missing the point here. You like what you like and that's completely fine. We can argue all day about what era of music is superior on a music theory type of level. Cool - we know we won't change our opinions. I have my opinion on that which I think is based on solid music related facts, but that's not really the issue here. It's not about comparing big bands to rock bands. This is more concerning the dumbing down of the culture since the counterculture movement in the 60s had such a drastic effect on our society. It's an era I admit to finding both fascinating and disturbing at the same time (and I'm old enough to remember seeing hippy riots and Vietnam reports on the nightly news). I just think it's much more helpful to identify and acknowledge causes if we're to solve certain problems. I felt Andrew did that here.
No we went from "Hot fun in the Summertime - Sly and the family Stone" to Cardi B... smh
Great commentary!
Lennon was a helluva lyricist. His solo stuff is especially good.
John Lennon's lyrics to "In my Life" are far better than "I get no kick out of you".
Exactly! Andy is way off the mark on this one. He's been hanging around his uptight dorky square Boss too long. Beatles had great lyrics in songs like ~ "Across The Universe", "Noregian Wood", "Girl", "Eleanor Rigby", "Here, There & Everywhere", "Happiness Is A Warm Gun", "In My Life", "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" , "The Long & Winding Road" & "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"? John Lennon, Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, Neil Young & Leonard Cohen were All better Lyricists than Cole Porter & Irving Berlin. Andy was singling out EARLY Beatles' lyrics. That wasn't fair at all. Cole Porter was the most highly esteemed Lyricist of the Great American Songbook era, but go read the lyric sheet for his classic composition ~ "Let's Do It, Let's Fall In Love" from 1929. Here's an example of some of the lyrics ~ "And That's Why Birds Do It, Bees Do It..Even Educated Fleas Do It. Let's Do It, Let's Fall In Love.". Ooooh...How Profound, Clever & Sophisticated. Chortle..chortle...
Hank Williams also was a great character with good lyrics.
Yep amazing singer, although I like his son better
I would have LOVED seeing a Ben Shapiro cold, censored, reading of WAP lyrics at the Grammys.😂 In the style of Shatners "Rocket Man" while vaping would have been sheer art.🤣
Bit of a simplification on the French revolution. The initial revolution was a bourgeoisie middle class revolution, that did not materially differ from the American though was more aspirational. The subsequent radical and regicidal revolution, the terror, and elimination of values and declaration of the republic of virtue was...different
The "intros" are the *verses*. The "songs" we all know are the *choruses*.
4:07 I think you meant doo-wop! Bebop is very advanced instrumental jazz!
Love that Klaven wisdom. I feel like Im not alone in the world.
Never could get into the Beatles. I do have to applaud their ingenuity in terms of the studio though. I don’t think much of their music per say, but they sure pioneered so much in recording FULL sounding albums that made better acts who adopted the same studio techniques possible later on
Listen to a hard days night, can’t buy me love, she loves you, all you need is love, let it be, here comes the sun, while my guitar gently weeps, Michelle, in my life, etc and you will be a Beatles fan
AMEN we must be God strong
The innovation of “She Loves You” was how it was from the point of view of a mediator for a romantic couple.
Right. The speaker is telling his male friend that the friend's girlfriend is a great catch, and if the friend won't take her back, the speaker will ask her out himself. Not to mention it has such a fresh, exuberant melody, especially the "yeah, yeah, yeah" hook.
The innovation of the Beatles was that a bunch of non-musicians could pick up guitars and rule the world. Andrew complaining of their lack of sophistication shows that it is HE who doesn't get it.
Love Andrew Klaven. Music is a lens into our culture. Cardi B is unfortunately where we're at right now.
Well put. Thank you.
"Cardi B looked different at teh Grammys...probably the yamaka"
this is gold.
Such a profound observation!!! 100% agree
So that's where they got the opening in Blazing Saddles
Andrew Klavans commentary and wisdom is what brings me back for more.
Thank you Mr. Klavan, for expressing so well what many of us understand, but can't elucidate. Thank you for helping us keep our faith strong. Incidentally, I absolutely love the Beatles, but you are right: they catalyzed the sideways slippage of the culture, which is now pouring over the edge into the abyss. Fifty seven genders, my arse.
Are you serious? Any is way off the mark on this one. He's been hanging around his uptight dorky square Boss too long. What about these Beatles' songs ~ "Across The Universe", "Noregian Wood", "Girl", "Eleanor Rigby", "Here, There & Everywhere", "Happiness Is A Warm Gun", "In My Life", "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" , "The Long & Winding Road" & "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"? John Lennon, Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, Neil Young & Leonard Cohen were All better Lyricists than Cole Porter & Irving Berlin. Andy was singling out EARLY Beatles' lyrics. That wasn't fair at all. Cole Porter was the most highly esteemed Lyricist of the Great American Songbook era, but go read the lyric sheet for his classic composition ~ "Let's Do It, Let's Fall In Love" from 1929. Here's an example of some of the lyrics ~ "And That's Why Birds Do It, Bees Do It..Even Educated Fleas Do It. Let's Do It, Let's Fall In Love.". Ooooh...How Profound, Clever & Sophisticated. Chortle..chortle...
Thomas Cole : The Course of the Empire.
I have to agree with you Andrew and although I am a fan of 80’s music the dumbing down and the over sexualizing of music and entertainment is to much.
Wow, that was a very insightful segment. I think I need to watch the Andrew Klavan Show more often.
Brilliant!
Yep, I saw the Beatles on Ed Sullivan's show. It was the talk of school the next day. But you are right about the difference in the music, Andrew.
WHEN MEDIOCRITIES TOOK OVER THE WORLD....
great lesson
The Blues is a great American artform, practically all rock music built on that foundation, and it was very spiritual, battling with the devil and sin and whatnot. A lot of rock also is about the devil, but it sort of flipped, that people thought it was cool to sin and side with the devil. Jazz is another great American artform, and it's more about pure musicianship and free expression. Also alot of European classical composers were inspired by God, and only God.
When ever we needed a 12" version of "HELP".
Andrew, this show is so full of good advise and analogies of your intelligence and common sense. Especially about our paradise lost in regards to rebelling and parental respect.
God love you and yours.
The Rolling Stones made it obvious where we were headed. I could see that at 7 yrs old
Excellent commentary! As one who still holds God as God, I have no doubt that He will bring us back up from the pit of dispare (yes to the insert of Princess Bride). From there He will help us to rise again, and we will reach great heights before we fall yet again. Then, that will most likely be the final fall before Christ's return.
I'm really believing we are so close to Jesus' return that it's just going to continue to get worse, but who knows...
Ben really missed his calling as a rapper 😆 😆😂😂
I love that piece of Peter Sellers. He recorded that at our local ITV studios Granada in Manchester UK and apparently the recording massively over ran because the lighting, cameramen etc kept falling about laughing. I saw it when it first went out and I couldn't understand why my dad and older brothers were laughing. "Why is it funny?" I asked. Years later I realised.
I'm new to Klavan. This is great!
Even in his youth, Klavan was an old man.
Great video
Thank you Andrew for your insight.
Mr Klavan with this podcast you have a new fan for life. But I am curious why you did not correlate Ella Fitzgerald with Megan thee stallion?
Isn't it ironic that Sinatra was singing a song that mentions not getting drunk from alcohol, but he has a cigarette between his lips, which is also a drug that he probably got a kick out of.
Sir, you NAILED it! Every word was golden! I hope this message will spread! Awhile back a friend showed me that Cardi B was using Parisian fashions in her performances. I was hopeful until she jumped up on the grand piano and, you know the rest...
Are you serious? Any is way off the mark on this one. He's been hanging around his uptight dorky square Boss too long. What about these Beatles' songs ~ "Across The Universe", "Noregian Wood", "Girl", "Eleanor Rigby", "Here, There & Everywhere", "Happiness Is A Warm Gun", "In My Life", "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" , "The Long & Winding Road" & "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"? John Lennon, Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, Neil Young & Leonard Cohen were All better Lyricists than Cole Porter & Irving Berlin. Andy was singling out EARLY Beatles' lyrics. That wasn't fair at all. Cole Porter was the most highly esteemed Lyricist of the Great American Songbook era, but go read the lyric sheet for his classic composition ~ "Let's Do It, Let's Fall In Love" from 1929. Here's an example of some of the lyrics ~ "And That's Why Birds Do It, Bees Do It..Even Educated Fleas Do It. Let's Do It, Let's Fall In Love.". Ooooh...How Profound, Clever & Sophisticated. Chortle..chortle...
Aretha Franklin (Respect) vs CardiB (WAP)
There’s a TH-cam of #1 songs of the 1950s. There is a much more dramatic change there, with Elvis. All the classic pop songs just started vanishing. The music right before the Beatles, like the twist, wasn’t particularly sophisticated.