One of the best videos from Tesla Tom! A lot of work and research went into making this video. I know because I’ve tried and tested all these charging stations mentioned, although over several trips between Sydney and the Gold Coast. The video footage brings back memory lane for our family’s many road trips. Tom’s stats on cost and time are also quite accurate, although our Lexus SUV Hybrid was using 9.5L/100km.
Great video and a timely one for me. We're scheduled to drive to Gold Coast in August 2022 and this video helped relieve my anxiety of driving with an EV this far from Sydney. Since Feb 2022, the farthest place my M3 has seen is South Coast and your Kirrawee charging video helped. Thank you for continuously showing helpful and interesting videos I'd give a 50/50. Well done!
Thanks Tom, a really good summary of those chargers. I've been to all except the Gold Coast one over the four months I've had my M3. I'm glad you found the sealed entrance to Cassegrain - the Navigation oddly sends you via the back entrance and through the dirt road. Once you realise where the front entrance is it's easy. I agree with all your comments except I'd knock a point off both Maclean ("mc-lane") and Knockrow. When I visited Maclean one stall was ICEd and this is quite likely as it's a pub. When I visited Knockrow three stalls were out of order and it's a really long way to get back to the highway.
Loving the videos man! Just placed an order for my Tesla Model 3 Long Range here in Canberra. Won't be delivered until February - May next year but super keen nonetheless! Keep up the videos!
Excellent video. Great that you could show off some of our beautiful country! Recommendation - at the very end of your video, consider doing a graphic to summarize your data. Viewing on a mobile made it impossible to read. Keep up the great work.
Maaate, I’ll follow your route and guidance for GC 🙂☺️ Thanks for sharing. I wanted to do this trip. I’m yet to watch full video, I’ll relaxly watch after dinner 🍲
Thank you for your thoughtful, analytical approach to supporting EV adoption down under. I read an article yesterday citing some interesting statistics. Australia has more solar and power walls than Teslas on the road. The article also cited Australia’s contribution to the transition towards sustainable energy due to the local sourcing of battery metals. It specifically cited lithium but Australia is also a source for Tesla‘s nickel used in the cathode for the long range and performance model battery packs and planned for use in the cybertruck and semi. Given that, I think it is more likely than not that Australia will be a future site for a Tesla factory. The article called for Australia to build up its battery metals refining capabilities to match its battery metals sourcing. Transitory chip shortages aside, the ongoing nut that need to be cracked is the ethical, economical and rapidly accelerating sourcing of the battery materials needed to feed the Tesla manufacturing monster.
I did this trip over Christmas, we stopped in Byron Bay and used the free NRMA charger, the rest were Tesla Superchargers. For that time of year a couple of extra stalls is needed, but it all went very smoothly. 🙂
Great to hear! There will always be queues during peak demand periods on our roads so drivers just need to plan their journey and exercise a little patience and courtesy toward one another 🙏
Great informative video Tom! Finally got a EDD date for my M3, arriving just bef next school hols, so will do this road trip in Sep! Been waiting since Jan. Hopefully Tesla superchargers won't be too full.
Excellent video Tom. It's great to see this real world experiences with EV's and more and more people adopt them. To be honest I am shocked at how different the range is that you got and what the advertised range is. calculating up its about 350km. Is this normal or is your battery underperforming. I was looking at the M3 and assumed i would get at least 470km of the advertised 510km.
Thanks! I found the 2019 P Model 3 wasn't as efficient as the current gen LFP Model 3/Y - I don't think it's an underperforming battery. Check out this video where I did a similar road trip this year in 2023 with a RWD LFP Model 3 and Model Y. Both achieved a similar range despite being equiped with a smaller battery: th-cam.com/video/VjFMwrAA9yg/w-d-xo.html
Love your stuff. Could you do a video on holiday travel in a Tesla? Many people planning a holiday trip. Concerned about charger availabity in busy times.
Tesla road trips are so easy now days. I look forward to the network thickening out so you’re not “on-rails” quite so much. Haha. As I said before.. you need to add a spider score! 🤣🤣
Spiders go under Amenities (or should it be safety) 😝🕷🕸 - True that you have to stay on the Charging trail for now … hopefully with Ampol and other players entering the market we will have more options soon 👍
You went the long way from the M1 to Heatherbrae - all you had to do was go to the end of the M1, hang a right, get to Hexham bridge and hang a left. Going through Wallsend and the bypass is the long way around.
New Zealand needs to learn a bit from Australia, outside of a small area of the country, our main state highway may as well be a grass paddock as it's single lane with terrible patchwork seal. We also need a lot more chargers both other brands and Tesla.
Australia gets pretty bad once you get north of the sunshine coast still. If only we had taken the yanks up on their offer of free dual carriage from Melboune to Townsville :(
The HSC score is a nice concept. Personally wouldn't have given Heatherbrae a 10 for Amenities (at least until they fill the space that's seemingly meant for a fast food outlet) - for now it's a little lacking. But it's probably the most variable one depending on the driver. Some will prefer 24hr access (as you have), others with dogs or young kids that only drive during the day might give greater preference to being near a park or tourist outlet.
Hi Tom, Scoring wise, particularly in the case of Tesla's, I'd suggest the Tesla V3's should be 10/10. CCS2 is limited to 500A, which is why the most you'll see out of the 350kw chargers is 200kw (400V*500A). Tesla gets around this by using its own protocol/method at it's V3 Superchargers, even though using the CCS2 style plug, thus allowing up to 250kw charging (ie. 700+ amps at < 350V while SOC is low). So in Tesla's case, V3's allow more amps, therefore are better than 350kw 3rd party chargers. Cheers!
What about the 800V chargers that can charge at over 300kW? 11/10? Also you have to allow for technology to increase charging speeds - maybe with an updated CCS2 standard.
I'm surprised my "old" Corolla Hybrid would have done the trip more (Cost) efficiently than the tesla if I did it today. Wonder how I'll go with the Y when it comes to the annual trip up the coast. Great video - used a few of those charging spots before, but not all!
Thanks for this! @ludicrousfeed Is your Tesla the standard range or long range? Do you see the need of getting the long range for Australia? I’m in Victoria.
This video was done on a Long Range / Performance but we’ve done this same trip in a base model RWD 3/Y: 2023 Tesla Model Y efficiency is worse than Model 3 (but not by much!) th-cam.com/video/VjFMwrAA9yg/w-d-xo.html
Heading north from Sydney I like using Karuah Chargefox. There’s a few takeaway or eat-in places for lunch near the chargers there, whereas there is only the servo at Heatherbrae. Let’s face it, Heatherbrae SC is not a great location. The new Tesla charger proposed at Raymond Terrace as part of the recent NSW fast charging grants will be even better though.
Been to the Port Macquarie supercharger at Cassegrain Winery twice. Definitely recommend the northern entrance. The pot holes on the southern driveway in are atrocious.Didn't realise there are loos adjacent to the restaurant. The one on the road side of the chargers is disgusting. You live and learn.
Great review. With the battery being charged at a rapid rate, how long will the battery keep it's efficiency over a ten year period? Reason I ask, I've seen with my mobile phone as it ages it loses efficiency, hence it needs to charge it more often. Since a mobile uses the same battery, the degradation rate will speed up over time. This is concerning as the cost of lithium is rising, a battery replacement may cost a fair amount in the not too distant future.
The older NCM batteries should be charged regularly to 80% to prolong its life and reduce degradation. Newer LFP batteries can be charged to 100% regularly without too many issues
We did this exact trip in 2018 but in our Toyota Prado. Dual tanks filled with diesel gave me 1500 kms range. Four adults and one 10 year old with luggage. We got to GC with fuel gauge between half and quarter tank. With the price of diesel now in August 2022 this would be impossible to do or very expensive. Nice to see an EV able to do this. The superchargers are indeed worth it.
Superchargers worth it? It depends if you have a 350kW charger nearby, and you are an NRMA member getting a 20% discount, bringing the normal 60c to 48c/kWh (compared to the 69c/kWh from Tesla). A Better Route Planner can find all those nice 350kW chargers for you...
Maclean is cute and well worth a walk around if it's the wee Scottish town, maybe you did on your way back? The scoring system is great. How do you get the free charging? (Sorry, realise that's probably a dumb question). Thanks as always Tom.
I think however had Tesla required that they wouldn't have got many of the sites they did (particularly wineries and council properties). The main advantage of the Tesla stalls is that they are low touch. You just install them in a carpark, minimal changes (or approvals needed)
Thank You both for this road trip video, maybe you could rate each super charger site for what it would be like with a non Tesla EV, not that I think they will open up to other EVs due to the number of stalls per location.
Hi Tom this has been very informative but what if you want to go to say Broken Hill where the charge infrastructure is lacking or not at all, can you show me how it might be possible? a friend has family there and asked me if it can be done or just too far at this time for the charge infrastructure to cope
I did a similar trip with my 2016 VF commodore, in early march 2021 From the southern suburbs of Sydney, I filled up with 91 unleaded petrol, took 5 minutes. Drove to my girlfriends appartment in the western suburbs avoiding tolls to save money. We left her appartment at 4am the next morning & stopped near Newcastle for breakfast. I did not refuel, because I wanted to see my range. I kept on driving doing the speed limit, with the air-conditioning on, until we reached surfers paradise & filled my car with petrol. My car did the whole trip, without any refuelling. In fact the trip computer still had a range of a further 150 klm & I used 61 litres of fuel, costing AU$83. So basically my car has a range of around 1000 klm on a 72 litre tank. You can do that trip in an electric car, but still I can do it better with an ICE car. Still love the tesla model 3. I drove one around San Francisco on my holiday in 2018. I just noticed one issue. On the steep hills around the bay area, the electric hand break was a little slow when stopping at the lights & would some times roll back, if the lights turned green immediately after stopping.
How does your family like charging? my wife hates it because we always stuck waiting somewhere random for 45mins charging. Most the tesla chargers in isolated places aswell so it does'nt help, even when theres 1 shop near by the 45min wait it just feels like its ruining the trip.
They’re mostly ok with it. Good chance to stretch the legs and grab a bite to eat Agreed there are some random places but hopefully we’ll see more installer nearer to more convenient amenities
Check out the Ampol Ampcharge setup at Pheasants Nest which I used on my MG4 road trip th-cam.com/video/5wkkAg_lwqs/w-d-xo.html This is the standard to aspire to in 2023 imo
I know, I am late to EV party you guys are having fun and doing lots of miles on the EV trips to Melb & Qld, so nice to watch and learn. Got question's, do you need any charge adaptors for model 3, while you are on the trips or do you only use Tesla charging stations/spots. Cause there are so many new chargers coming up in Syd, but Melb is lacking that & adding to the injury, vic govt has 2.6c/km (approx), If I have to buy Model 3, what charge adaptors will be useful. You may have done some youtube video, but I am a little confused here .. ?? Thanks
In short, if you are using DC fast chargers (Tesla or otherwise) you won’t need any other adaptors as they are almost all compatible. If you plan to use the slower AC chargers then it’s worth investing in a Type 2 EV cable as some of the chargers don’t have tethered cables
I think you missed the obvious one - ease of use. Tesla is plug’ n’ play but others involve phaffing around woth an app that might or might not work - I wouldn’t deduct points for tap and go (provided it works) but I would if you require an account, pre payment, an RFID card - basically anything that puts obstacles to using the chargers. You should also be deducting points for non-functioning chargers and chargers with errors, broken screens - perhaps just trust the app - if it says a station is not working thats at least 1 point off. If a station has been inoperable for more than a month that’s 5 points off.
@@LudicrousFeed I guess you’ll only really do non Tesla chargers when test driving. I’m getting M3SR soon and not long after an Atto 3 so I’ll keep you posted.
Tape around it. Also a suggestion to wrap the cord over the charger, rather than plugging it back in if it isn't working (bit not sure if this is that common in Australia). But to be honest the Tesla chargers appear pretty reliable given their usage. Tritium on the other hand...
Ouch, they don't appear to be great numbers. From Port Macquarie to Coffs Harbour your car went from 8*% charge down to 36%. That is terrible efficiency as I know where these chargers are located. I expected better then that. Compared to petrol...the cost savings are not that great really. We have 2 vehicles, one is a large 2016 with a 4 cylinder petrol/turbo charged. It averages around 7.1ltr/100km, while our 2nd car is a 2006 2.4ltr 4 cylinder and it averages around 8.2ltr/100km. Now petrol has come down a little bit and electricity prices just keep going up. Looking at your table, the margin is actually quite small. We have an EV on order but not a Tesla as we don't like it's interface and also some other stuff (personal preferences). The only reason it makes sense for us is that we are going to upgrade our solar hybrid system to 24KW. So there will be bit of Type 2 charging at home either via surplus solar energy or if required via TOU low cost overnight, with the ability of boost charging IF on rare circumstances it becomes necessary. It's great info as this shows real world numbers and costs.
Thanks, glad the real world info helps - that’s why I document it. You’ll notice the return journey from Coffs to Port Macq was 42% usage for the same distance (as opposed to 46% the other way) so there must’ve been either altitude or wind causing the discrepancy. You’re right, daily home charging is where the largest gains are made with regard to time and money saved. Enough for me to offset any apparent marginal differences on long drives
@@LudicrousFeed That makes sense. I have a Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD ordered..so far it's been 5 months with possible another up to 12 months wait. The smart charger is on the way "Zappi 2.1 tethered, 7KW". We had to choose the 7KW version as we are on Single Phase only. The solar upgrade is planned for mid August. So everything will be ready by the time the car gets here. I really appreciate the work you are doing and sharing it. It would be nice to see for Tesla to open up their chargers for other Users. They are missing out on profit and the reality is that they do have the most extensive Network in this country by far.
Tesla will open up their supercharger network to all eventually: BYD ATTO 3 CHARGING AT TESLA SUPERCHARGER IN AUSTRALIA | February 2023 th-cam.com/video/ks5MgCM_3VE/w-d-xo.html
when you fill up with gas you jump out of your car under cover, but with ev chargers they are all exposed to the elements, water and electricity can be deadly, why no cover
@@LudicrousFeed would love to see info on the charging costs compared to petrol. I’m not sure if I’m right but electric cars seem a lot cheaper than petrol cars to charge/fill
Our 2 largest states namely NSW and Victoria have respectively cut their rebates earlier than planned but despite this, we reached 9% new EV sales for Feb 2024 ... the highest on record in Australia
@@LudicrousFeed not saying there aren't lots of stupid people in Australia buying these ridicules things just saying EV's suck this guy biggest concern is where to charge his stupid car and the more of these crap boxes hit the road the crazier they will become
@@victorgrech1136 How many more stupid people in Australia will buy EVs? Care to guess what % of new car sales will be EVs by 2030? Also are EVs not fit for ANY purpose? Or do you think they are useful for some situations?
@@LudicrousFeed if we consider 30% of population vote greens and labor that is a sure indication that at least 30% are stupid of that 30% say 1% can afford a new car of that 1% about 0.5% can install a charger so according to my calculation 25000 people are stupid enough and have with in their means to buy one of these crap boxes, as for the concept of EV, totally insane, the proposed zero carbon fairyland puts enormous pressure on the grid EV's are just going to make it worse, if you're for EV's you are deluded
Knockrow NSW Tesla Supercharger 👍👍👍👍 I live in Goonellabah near Lismore. They should have Supper Charger at BP Ballina Travel Centre. I am asking them to put eight supper chargers.
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Thanks Tom. Very helpful given that my wife and I will be travelling to Brisbane in March.
It’s easy along the Tesla Supercharger network 👍
One of the best videos from Tesla Tom!
A lot of work and research went into making this video. I know because I’ve tried and tested all these charging stations mentioned, although over several trips between Sydney and the Gold Coast. The video footage brings back memory lane for our family’s many road trips.
Tom’s stats on cost and time are also quite accurate, although our Lexus SUV Hybrid was using 9.5L/100km.
Thanks Steven! Highly recommend this trip from Sydney to GC in a Tesla - an easy and comfortable journey 👍
I like the way you always explain press button so charge port opens etc. I remember revise that way
I try not to assume
@20:26 Byron Bay Wildlife Hospital:____'What does a Vet use to mend a broken Swan Neck?'
'Duck Tape'
Is that true?
Great video and a timely one for me. We're scheduled to drive to Gold Coast in August 2022 and this video helped relieve my anxiety of driving with an EV this far from Sydney. Since Feb 2022, the farthest place my M3 has seen is South Coast and your Kirrawee charging video helped. Thank you for continuously showing helpful and interesting videos I'd give a 50/50. Well done!
Thank you and enjoy the journey! 🙏🙂
Thanks Tom, a really good summary of those chargers. I've been to all except the Gold Coast one over the four months I've had my M3. I'm glad you found the sealed entrance to Cassegrain - the Navigation oddly sends you via the back entrance and through the dirt road. Once you realise where the front entrance is it's easy. I agree with all your comments except I'd knock a point off both Maclean ("mc-lane") and Knockrow. When I visited Maclean one stall was ICEd and this is quite likely as it's a pub. When I visited Knockrow three stalls were out of order and it's a really long way to get back to the highway.
Thanks David! Great comment 👍
I wonder also, how does queuing system works if all stations are busy?
Loving the videos man! Just placed an order for my Tesla Model 3 Long Range here in Canberra. Won't be delivered until February - May next year but super keen nonetheless! Keep up the videos!
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Excellent video. Great that you could show off some of our beautiful country! Recommendation - at the very end of your video, consider doing a graphic to summarize your data. Viewing on a mobile made it impossible to read. Keep up the great work.
Will find a way to visualise this better in future …
Maaate, I’ll follow your route and guidance for GC 🙂☺️ Thanks for sharing. I wanted to do this trip. I’m yet to watch full video, I’ll relaxly watch after dinner 🍲
Enjoy
Numbers don’t lie! Thank you for this very thorough and informative video. 🎉
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for your thoughtful, analytical approach to supporting EV adoption down under. I read an article yesterday citing some interesting statistics. Australia has more solar and power walls than Teslas on the road. The article also cited Australia’s contribution to the transition towards sustainable energy due to the local sourcing of battery metals. It specifically cited lithium but Australia is also a source for Tesla‘s nickel used in the cathode for the long range and performance model battery packs and planned for use in the cybertruck and semi. Given that, I think it is more likely than not that Australia will be a future site for a Tesla factory. The article called for Australia to build up its battery metals refining capabilities to match its battery metals sourcing. Transitory chip shortages aside, the ongoing nut that need to be cracked is the ethical, economical and rapidly accelerating sourcing of the battery materials needed to feed the Tesla manufacturing monster.
Makes sense
21:30 good business brain. Embrace the change and gain a bonus point from Tesla Tom lol
Great video Tom. Thanks for sharing. 👍
Great work Tom, I am studying hard before taking delivery of my Y later in the year :)
Enjoy!
I did this trip over Christmas, we stopped in Byron Bay and used the free NRMA charger, the rest were Tesla Superchargers. For that time of year a couple of extra stalls is needed, but it all went very smoothly. 🙂
Great to hear! There will always be queues during peak demand periods on our roads so drivers just need to plan their journey and exercise a little patience and courtesy toward one another 🙏
How long did it take to charge on the NRMA charger as compared to the Tesla charger?
Great informative video Tom! Finally got a EDD date for my M3, arriving just bef next school hols, so will do this road trip in Sep! Been waiting since Jan. Hopefully Tesla superchargers won't be too full.
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Excellent video Tom. It's great to see this real world experiences with EV's and more and more people adopt them. To be honest I am shocked at how different the range is that you got and what the advertised range is. calculating up its about 350km. Is this normal or is your battery underperforming. I was looking at the M3 and assumed i would get at least 470km of the advertised 510km.
Thanks! I found the 2019 P Model 3 wasn't as efficient as the current gen LFP Model 3/Y - I don't think it's an underperforming battery. Check out this video where I did a similar road trip this year in 2023 with a RWD LFP Model 3 and Model Y. Both achieved a similar range despite being equiped with a smaller battery: th-cam.com/video/VjFMwrAA9yg/w-d-xo.html
Great job as usual Tom👍
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Thank you, appreciate your review of the charging locations
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Love your stuff. Could you do a video on holiday travel in a Tesla? Many people planning a holiday trip. Concerned about charger availabity in busy times.
Thanks! Check out some of my more recent road trip videos and there is a spreadsheet I use to keep track of all travel and charging data
Tesla road trips are so easy now days. I look forward to the network thickening out so you’re not “on-rails” quite so much.
Haha. As I said before.. you need to add a spider score! 🤣🤣
Spiders go under Amenities (or should it be safety) 😝🕷🕸
- True that you have to stay on the Charging trail for now … hopefully with Ampol and other players entering the market we will have more options soon 👍
thank you Tom ... great video again and so helpful.
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You went the long way from the M1 to Heatherbrae - all you had to do was go to the end of the M1, hang a right, get to Hexham bridge and hang a left. Going through Wallsend and the bypass is the long way around.
The ‘direct’ route was flooded during this drive
Thank goodness for Waze, saved me an hour
New Zealand needs to learn a bit from Australia, outside of a small area of the country, our main state highway may as well be a grass paddock as it's single lane with terrible patchwork seal. We also need a lot more chargers both other brands and Tesla.
I’m thankful we now have basically almost all dual carriageway between Melbourne and Brisbane via Sydney
Australia gets pretty bad once you get north of the sunshine coast still. If only we had taken the yanks up on their offer of free dual carriage from Melboune to Townsville :(
HSC score takes me back to high school 😱... keen to do similar road trip with the fam bam when the Model Y arrives
Can’t wait to do Model Y road trips!
good evenning- Ludicrous,nice content.all the best-
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The HSC score is a nice concept.
Personally wouldn't have given Heatherbrae a 10 for Amenities (at least until they fill the space that's seemingly meant for a fast food outlet) - for now it's a little lacking.
But it's probably the most variable one depending on the driver.
Some will prefer 24hr access (as you have), others with dogs or young kids that only drive during the day might give greater preference to being near a park or tourist outlet.
Good comment and yes it’s a subjective category for sure
Hi Tom, Scoring wise, particularly in the case of Tesla's, I'd suggest the Tesla V3's should be 10/10. CCS2 is limited to 500A, which is why the most you'll see out of the 350kw chargers is 200kw (400V*500A). Tesla gets around this by using its own protocol/method at it's V3 Superchargers, even though using the CCS2 style plug, thus allowing up to 250kw charging (ie. 700+ amps at < 350V while SOC is low). So in Tesla's case, V3's allow more amps, therefore are better than 350kw 3rd party chargers. Cheers!
Thanks, will consider changing 👍
What about the 800V chargers that can charge at over 300kW? 11/10? Also you have to allow for technology to increase charging speeds - maybe with an updated CCS2 standard.
I'm surprised my "old" Corolla Hybrid would have done the trip more (Cost) efficiently than the tesla if I did it today. Wonder how I'll go with the Y when it comes to the annual trip up the coast.
Great video - used a few of those charging spots before, but not all!
The drive was super comfortable for us in the 3 and I’m sure it’ll be even better in the Y - have fun!
Thanks for this! @ludicrousfeed Is your Tesla the standard range or long range? Do you see the need of getting the long range for Australia? I’m in Victoria.
This video was done on a Long Range / Performance but we’ve done this same trip in a base model RWD 3/Y: 2023 Tesla Model Y efficiency is worse than Model 3 (but not by much!)
th-cam.com/video/VjFMwrAA9yg/w-d-xo.html
I'll give extra points to hear Tom blowing up driving around in a shopping centre car park looking for a charging station.
It’s here somewhere … *%#
Heading north from Sydney I like using Karuah Chargefox. There’s a few takeaway or eat-in places for lunch near the chargers there, whereas there is only the servo at Heatherbrae. Let’s face it, Heatherbrae SC is not a great location. The new Tesla charger proposed at Raymond Terrace as part of the recent NSW fast charging grants will be even better though.
I’m excited about the Raymond Terrace proposed site
Excellent video.
Been to the Port Macquarie supercharger at Cassegrain Winery twice. Definitely recommend the northern entrance. The pot holes on the southern driveway in are atrocious.Didn't realise there are loos adjacent to the restaurant. The one on the road side of the chargers is disgusting. You live and learn.
Yes the Northern entrance is far more straight forward 👍
Great review. With the battery being charged at a rapid rate, how long will the battery keep it's efficiency over a ten year period? Reason I ask, I've seen with my mobile phone as it ages it loses efficiency, hence it needs to charge it more often. Since a mobile uses the same battery, the degradation rate will speed up over time. This is concerning as the cost of lithium is rising, a battery replacement may cost a fair amount in the not too distant future.
The older NCM batteries should be charged regularly to 80% to prolong its life and reduce degradation. Newer LFP batteries can be charged to 100% regularly without too many issues
Great video! Love the analytical aspect of this, keep up the great work! Quick question are these tesla chargers compatible with BYD Atto 3's?
Only Tesla vehicles can use superchargers for now (Jul 2022)
Good scoring system. Liked it..
Thanks!
We did this exact trip in 2018 but in our Toyota Prado. Dual tanks filled with diesel gave me 1500 kms range. Four adults and one 10 year old with luggage. We got to GC with fuel gauge between half and quarter tank. With the price of diesel now in August 2022 this would be impossible to do or very expensive.
Nice to see an EV able to do this. The superchargers are indeed worth it.
Thanks Vijay! Dual tanks are helpful no doubt
Superchargers worth it? It depends if you have a 350kW charger nearby, and you are an NRMA member getting a 20% discount, bringing the normal 60c to 48c/kWh (compared to the 69c/kWh from Tesla). A Better Route Planner can find all those nice 350kW chargers for you...
Maclean is cute and well worth a walk around if it's the wee Scottish town, maybe you did on your way back? The scoring system is great. How do you get the free charging? (Sorry, realise that's probably a dumb question). Thanks as always Tom.
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Hi Tom, great video as always mate. Any thoughts on doing the Sydney to Perth trip?
One day …!
There is a scheduled visit by a Model 3 coming from WA to Sydney, arriving later this year.
That was great! Did you see many other charges from other companies, or was it all just Tesla chargers?
We only stopped at Superchargers but I will apply the HSC score to all DC chargers that I visit in future 👍
There should be Shade Covers over all Charging Stations preferably with Solar Panels to light it up at night.
Agreed
I think however had Tesla required that they wouldn't have got many of the sites they did (particularly wineries and council properties).
The main advantage of the Tesla stalls is that they are low touch. You just install them in a carpark, minimal changes (or approvals needed)
WOW!! the service having TESLA batteries for sale, wonder how good they would be 😊😊
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When you say bathroom, do you mean toilet? Or are there also shower facilities?
Toilet
Thank You both for this road trip video, maybe you could rate each super charger site for what it would be like with a non Tesla EV, not that I think they will open up to other EVs due to the number of stalls per location.
I will use the same system to rate non-Tesla DC chargers too
Tesla superchargers will definitely open them up.. Elon has said as much, and you've got to look at Tesla's mission statement
Awesome video thank u
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Hi Tom, can you do a video of autopilot in the rain/storm.
I’ve done previous videos of AP in rainy weather …
Hi Tom this has been very informative but what if you want to go to say Broken Hill where the charge infrastructure is lacking or not at all, can you show me how it might be possible? a friend has family there and asked me if it can be done or just too far at this time for the charge infrastructure to cope
I believe there are DC chargers en route to Broken Hill now - check out PlugShare dot com 👍
Check out the NRMA chargers, they go all the way from Syd to Broken Hill, and on to Adelaide (yes, NRMA has installed chargers in South Australia) !
I did a similar trip with my 2016 VF commodore, in early march 2021
From the southern suburbs of Sydney, I filled up with 91 unleaded petrol, took 5 minutes. Drove to my girlfriends appartment in the western suburbs avoiding tolls to save money.
We left her appartment at 4am the next morning & stopped near Newcastle for breakfast. I did not refuel, because I wanted to see my range. I kept on driving doing the speed limit, with the air-conditioning on, until we reached surfers paradise & filled my car with petrol. My car did the whole trip, without any refuelling. In fact the trip computer still had a range of a further 150 klm & I used 61 litres of fuel, costing AU$83. So basically my car has a range of around 1000 klm on a 72 litre tank.
You can do that trip in an electric car, but still I can do it better with an ICE car.
Still love the tesla model 3. I drove one around San Francisco on my holiday in 2018. I just noticed one issue. On the steep hills around the bay area, the electric hand break was a little slow when stopping at the lights & would some times roll back, if the lights turned green immediately after stopping.
Thanks for the comment and for sharing your experience 🙏
Why not try a similar trip using The Stuart Highway?
So many great drives in this country!
yay!!! Coming up to my home town :)
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5:17 I see Tesla has branched off to sell batteries now. Wonder if those are the new 4680 batteries I keep on hearing :p
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surprised to see how close the cost is to 5l/100 km car. i thought that EV would also cost much lest compared to it.
The savings are made when charging at home. DC chargers are more expensive - we pay for the convenience of high speed charging
Hey Tom, from Heatherbrae to Port Macquarie what was your battery percentage from start to finish?
87% to 30%
How does your family like charging? my wife hates it because we always stuck waiting somewhere random for 45mins charging. Most the tesla chargers in isolated places aswell so it does'nt help, even when theres 1 shop near by the 45min wait it just feels like its ruining the trip.
They’re mostly ok with it. Good chance to stretch the legs and grab a bite to eat
Agreed there are some random places but hopefully we’ll see more installer nearer to more convenient amenities
@@LudicrousFeed i hope they can make like gas station stylled charging stations where there is a shop attached. i.e. BP & Z
Check out the Ampol Ampcharge setup at Pheasants Nest which I used on my MG4 road trip th-cam.com/video/5wkkAg_lwqs/w-d-xo.html
This is the standard to aspire to in 2023 imo
Bit confused with having your referral code there since it was dropped for Australia by Tesla in Sept 2021. Or you still have some usable codes left?
I still have a lot of leftover referral credit
@@LudicrousFeed Ahhh, very nice!
Is the Gold Coast Tesla chargers really only for Tesla's? No other EV vehicles allowed?
At the time of my comment (Mar 2024), only Tesla vehicles can charge at the Gold Coast location
I know, I am late to EV party you guys are having fun and doing lots of miles on the EV trips to Melb & Qld, so nice to watch and learn.
Got question's, do you need any charge adaptors for model 3, while you are on the trips or do you only use Tesla charging stations/spots.
Cause there are so many new chargers coming up in Syd, but Melb is lacking that & adding to the injury, vic govt has 2.6c/km (approx), If I have to buy Model 3, what charge adaptors will be useful. You may have done some youtube video, but I am a little confused here .. ??
Thanks
In short, if you are using DC fast chargers (Tesla or otherwise) you won’t need any other adaptors as they are almost all compatible. If you plan to use the slower AC chargers then it’s worth investing in a Type 2 EV cable as some of the chargers don’t have tethered cables
I think you missed the obvious one - ease of use. Tesla is plug’ n’ play but others involve phaffing around woth an app that might or might not work - I wouldn’t deduct points for tap and go (provided it works) but I would if you require an account, pre payment, an RFID card - basically anything that puts obstacles to using the chargers. You should also be deducting points for non-functioning chargers and chargers with errors, broken screens - perhaps just trust the app - if it says a station is not working thats at least 1 point off. If a station has been inoperable for more than a month that’s 5 points off.
Check out my spreadsheet (video description) where I’ve laid out some of the rules for non-working chargers
@@LudicrousFeed I guess you’ll only really do non Tesla chargers when test driving. I’m getting M3SR soon and not long after an Atto 3 so I’ll keep you posted.
Just wanted to correct you on something you was actually in Hardwood not Maclean
Cheers
Cassiegrain just filed for bankruptcy so check status of the chargers when planning.
Oh that’s very interesting … thanks for the heads up
It's pronounced Maclane like plane, not Macleen like clean.
Thank you and noted!
Should apply the cost of time to charge
Didnt know Ampol sells Tesla batteries. (skip to 5:15) :-)
Now you know 😉
Did you notice the batteries at 5:18?
Well spotted! 😉
why are you only using Tesla chargers and not other ones that maybe more convenient?
Tesla superchargers are far more reliable than any other network
How can you tell if a Supercharger is broken? By app or do they have a display?
In the past I’ve seen tape around it
Tape around it. Also a suggestion to wrap the cord over the charger, rather than plugging it back in if it isn't working (bit not sure if this is that common in Australia).
But to be honest the Tesla chargers appear pretty reliable given their usage. Tritium on the other hand...
How come 4.51 the superchargers are empty
Good fortune 😉
You missed the Tuggerah supercharger
Tuggerah SC is a little bit off the highway but a good spot in the home centre
NSW - QLD
As a local, McLean is pronounce McLane.
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What do you mean by "be Iced"?
ICE’d is when an EV charging spot is occupied by a Internal Combustion Engine vehicle
@@LudicrousFeed Non EV Owners actually do that!? That's the equivalent of an EV owner parking their car in front of the pump at a servo...
@@SirDragonClaw Sadly yes it occurs
Thank you for convincing me to stay with petrol cars.
What do you plan on buying next? If not, how much longer will you stay with your current car?
Ouch, they don't appear to be great numbers. From Port Macquarie to Coffs Harbour your car went from 8*% charge down to 36%. That is terrible efficiency as I know where these chargers are located. I expected better then that. Compared to petrol...the cost savings are not that great really. We have 2 vehicles, one is a large 2016 with a 4 cylinder petrol/turbo charged. It averages around 7.1ltr/100km, while our 2nd car is a 2006 2.4ltr 4 cylinder and it averages around 8.2ltr/100km. Now petrol has come down a little bit and electricity prices just keep going up.
Looking at your table, the margin is actually quite small.
We have an EV on order but not a Tesla as we don't like it's interface and also some other stuff (personal preferences).
The only reason it makes sense for us is that we are going to upgrade our solar hybrid system to 24KW. So there will be bit of Type 2 charging at home either via surplus solar energy or if required via TOU low cost overnight, with the ability of boost charging IF on rare circumstances it becomes necessary.
It's great info as this shows real world numbers and costs.
Thanks, glad the real world info helps - that’s why I document it. You’ll notice the return journey from Coffs to Port Macq was 42% usage for the same distance (as opposed to 46% the other way) so there must’ve been either altitude or wind causing the discrepancy.
You’re right, daily home charging is where the largest gains are made with regard to time and money saved. Enough for me to offset any apparent marginal differences on long drives
@@LudicrousFeed That makes sense. I have a Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD ordered..so far it's been 5 months with possible another up to 12 months wait. The smart charger is on the way "Zappi 2.1 tethered, 7KW". We had to choose the 7KW version as we are on Single Phase only.
The solar upgrade is planned for mid August. So everything will be ready by the time the car gets here.
I really appreciate the work you are doing and sharing it. It would be nice to see for Tesla to open up their chargers for other Users. They are missing out on profit and the reality is that they do have the most extensive Network in this country by far.
Tesla will open up their supercharger network to all eventually: BYD ATTO 3 CHARGING AT TESLA SUPERCHARGER IN AUSTRALIA | February 2023
th-cam.com/video/ks5MgCM_3VE/w-d-xo.html
when you fill up with gas you jump out of your car under cover, but with ev chargers they are all exposed to the elements, water and electricity can be deadly, why no cover
This is the question I constantly pose to charging providers … I don’t want to feel like a second class citizen
Are tesla superchargers free?
No
@@LudicrousFeed would love to see info on the charging costs compared to petrol. I’m not sure if I’m right but electric cars seem a lot cheaper than petrol cars to charge/fill
Have a look through my catalogue, I’ve done several costs comparisons between EVs and ICE cars including total cost of ownership and road trips
Own a $70k EV but you still gotta use waze on your phone.
Waze is awesome
You pass a lot of cars mmm
All safely of course 😁
But, but, you can’t take EVs on road trips…. 😉
Apparently not!
EV's are not fit for purpose if they were they wouldn't need government assistance and mandates
Our 2 largest states namely NSW and Victoria have respectively cut their rebates earlier than planned but despite this, we reached 9% new EV sales for Feb 2024 ... the highest on record in Australia
@@LudicrousFeed not saying there aren't lots of stupid people in Australia buying these ridicules things just saying EV's suck this guy biggest concern is where to charge his stupid car and the more of these crap boxes hit the road the crazier they will become
@@victorgrech1136 How many more stupid people in Australia will buy EVs? Care to guess what % of new car sales will be EVs by 2030?
Also are EVs not fit for ANY purpose? Or do you think they are useful for some situations?
@@LudicrousFeed if we consider 30% of population vote greens and labor that is a sure indication that at least 30% are stupid of that 30% say 1% can afford a new car of that 1% about 0.5% can install a charger so according to my calculation 25000 people are stupid enough and have with in their means to buy one of these crap boxes, as for the concept of EV, totally insane, the proposed zero carbon fairyland puts enormous pressure on the grid EV's are just going to make it worse, if you're for EV's you are deluded
Knockrow NSW Tesla Supercharger 👍👍👍👍 I live in Goonellabah near Lismore. They should have Supper Charger at BP Ballina Travel Centre. I am asking them to put eight supper chargers.
That would be handy!
@@LudicrousFeed Come to Goonellabah next time you come up.
The Team and I Fully Charged LIVE-Sydney 11th to 12th March 2023. I will be there in Sydney. We promoted the project on the film on stand team taking a project and future projects.
The Team and I are submitting a DA to a Lismore council on North Coast NSW end of August 2022:
1. 250 prefabricated CLT & SIPform passive house certified homes. On the roofs of buildings, the Tractile, the excess electricity will be stored in the 28.8MW Tesla Batteries Farm.
2. The PV in total 934,370m2 - Tractile tiles 45,000m2 and ARCTECH SOLAR TRACKING - Tesla PV panel 887,400m2
3. Bi-Charging of EV one per house and 12 charging stations in the shopping centre.
4. Micro-grid that connects to a community of 4800 residents
5. Landscaping the whole site, ensuring enough clearance for the surrounding bush and buildings.
6. We will be trailing the SoMax HTC process. That processes the sewage into sterilises aggregate for so many products that would carbon released into the atmosphere when State Government and Lismore Council approved the process. somaxhtc.com/
7. We will have a project at the end of 2024 that will be installed a long-range wireless power transfer. Tele-Energy Technology. Radar and materials technology advancements have made energy transmission over long ranges possible. At Emrod, we have developed a unique technology that makes long-distance energy transmission safe & reliable for commercial purposes. emrod.energy/
Some of the Team include:
SIPform™, Tractile, Direct Building Solution, Xlam, Green Product Certification, NB Consulting Engineers, Tesla EV - PV - Powerwall and Arcimoto.
We will employ over 234 consultants and local trades. So, if you live on North Coast NSW, we like to hear by the end of the year.
We will be onsite in July 2023.
Regards,
Ian Cleland
Sustainable - Urban - Community - Homes