Silvio knew exactly what he was doing. He started off by validating Tony, which made him listen. Then he begins telling him what he needs to hear. Silvio is the best consigliere
Silvio is a student of Machiavelli: "Men should be either treated generously or destroyed, because they take revenge for slight injuries- for heavy ones they cannot"
Say want you want about Tony, but he did at least have some good traits and ethics. He was disgusted that Ralph killed that girl. He had a soft spot for animals. He didn't want to order the hit on one of his capos and top earners, Vito, for being a queer. And his uncle, whom he presumably loved, he gave a pass even though he put a hit on Tony. This is one of the reasons I liked the Sopranos. They're all arguably pretty bad people, willing to rob and murder for their own interests - but they're not portrayed as one dimensional villains.
Believe it or not it's a real mob rule. Their businesses are fronts where they launder their dirty money. An employee suddenly disappearing would have gave the police the cause they needed to obtain a warrant to search the Bing. Or better yet audit the Bings books. Doing anything bad for business is a big no no in the mob and that was a huge violation. If Tony had gone to New york, had a sit down with Carmine to get the Ok. He could have easily had Ralph whacked. Made or not. Believe me he wanted to. The only problem he had was he knew John Sacrimoni would have for certain talked Carmine out of it. John was Carmines consigliere and he had lucrative side business with Ralph. After that back fire Ralph would have wanted the ok to whack Tony. Tony only made Ralph copo to avoid a war. He had no other choice.
I always loved how similar and yet different Richie and Ralph were. Both were psychopaths but in much different ways. Richie had that evil aura about him. Any scene with him was intense and you were on edge. He was like impending doom. Ralph was an evil troll. Almost like the Joker.
They were both comparable as loose cannons. You can’t help but compare them if you followed the show. My question is who would you rather have as a cellmate? 😂 Thinking about it I’d have to pick Ralph. He could at least have a joke and at least give the impression that he could be a social animal. Ritchie? Not so much. 😂 I think if there’s more chance you could upset Ritchie but not realise it till he’s trying to kill you in your sleep. After quietly brooding laying on his bunk. While I think Ralph is a more ‘open book’. 😂
Ra HoWa; He was a solider before being promoted to consigliere in the backstory leading up to the first season. I think Craig meant it as a general term, which he was the epitome of a true and loyal soldier in the trenches
no, the best line is at the end: ralphie (talking about having thanksgiving dinner at tony's house): 'f**k him and his turkey, i ought'a shove a drum stick up his ass!' vito looks at him with raised eyebrows......
I have to disagree. While I absolutely love Sil as a character, I have to admit that to me, he always was a yes-man. Was there anytime where he dissuaded Tony to do it? The most cases aren't really that difficult to solve, Tony already knew what to do, Sil just pointed out the obvious. The one who really helped him was Junior. He was the real consigliere of Tony.
@@O.G.H. some good points you have there but remember Uncle Jun was always looking for ways to get rid of Tony. Sil actually told Tony his problem was pride and stubbornness, got Tony to support the Columbus Day demos despite his wishes, and got Tony out of Fat Dom's murder room. Oftentimes his gestures were subtle and even Tony admitted him to the most 'level-headed guy I got'. But I admit you have a good shout about uncle Jun
I love the moment where Silvio says 'she was not related to you by blood or marriage', and the subtle way Tony nods his head as if saying 'Yes, yes you are making reasonable points'. Such wonderful writing, acting and directing.
He means that you don't have the right to get revenge. Because she's not related to him . If he felt he need to get revenge then he should start by himself for killing .. because they're all killers
@@H.EL-Othemany not true at all, revenge has absolutely zero to do with it theres 1 simple reason Tony is in the wrong a made guy cant be touched unless the whole family votes that he has to go and even than it might not happen because he could be earning too much money for the family making a move against the boss or his relatives is probably the only legit death sentence there is other than that a made guy can do as he pleases with basically no concequences like getting promoted for killing a innocent girl because Tony got to emotional thats the bottonline here
"Don't be surprised, if Paulie pops the question." After Ralph disrespecting Tony, Paulie suggested whacking Ralph 0.01 seconds after Ralph walked away. LOL
Chase said the wrote this storyline because he thought the audience was starting to see Ralphie and the gang almost as a comedy troupe. He wanted to remind people of the reality of who these guys are.
Chase always let you start feeling sympathy for these characters andthen reveal their true selves. Like when Paulie and Chris murder a waiter out of the blue.
@@Zapp__Brannigan I hear you, when it first aired it was very controversial. Chase caught a lot of heat over that, so did HBO. Part of the reason I think ralphies character was killed off.
0:48 When Silvio starts giving his advice, that look Tony gives him, like "Yeah, I know, you're right, I know those rules already" but at the same time you can sense Tony feels grateful to Silvio for his advice and make him focus on facts. Both actors are spot on, the scene is 100% believable.
@@cjj9127 the part with the teeth still haunts me 🥲 Yes, I can only imagine what Tony would have done to Ralph for even putting a finger on Meadow’s forehead 🔥
I was thinking the same thing when Ralphie said that... If he had beaten Meadow to death or even unconscious, Ralphie would have been immediately executed right there in the parking lot at the Bing... No questions asked
+nottmdude Knowing how Ralph paused himself from lending Artie Bucco money, he wouldn't get close enough to Meadow to even bring up that kind of a situation. But Tracee would not have been any one Tony really cared about, which was _mostly_ true.
I love how the restaurant decor subtly contrasts the power dynamic between Tony and Ralph. Tony and Silvio drink wine surrounded by elegant paintings while Ralph and his crew drink water and look out onto the dark street. This highlights both the difference in power within the mob hierarchy as well as the level of sophistication with which they strategize against each other. Tony receives cogent advice from his wisest counselor while Ralph allows a sycophantic subordinate to feed his confirmation bias and ignores his future successor who states the rather obvious truth: "He is the boss. He can do what he wants." This all dovetails with the apology scene as Tony ultimately has to put Ralph in his place since he refuses to acknowledge it on his own. Excellent writing and cinematography.
2:29 This line goes to show what little self-awareness these guys have. Ralph thinks if he beat Meadow to death then Tony would be justified in his anger. No Ralph, you'd be tortured to death ala what Phil wanted to do to that animal Blundetto.
This is when I respected Silvio (who's always been up there as my fav) the most. Consigliere to the 1st degree. He gives detailed pros and cons for what T might have to do. Sil, despite beating women, seems to be the most level headed and moral character. He knows how to talk to T with sincere emotions that played a big part in saving the life (for the moment) of Ralph.
lol moral. silvio later on can't even remember why ralph beat the girl to death. he analyses situations good but he's as much of a piece of shit as the rest of the crew.
Looks at Vito "No offense" LOL, this was the perfect blend of a character you absolutely hate yet is absolutely hilarious at the same time. Never a character like him on the Sopranos.
Dark Eco yep, I’d say he was just behind Richie Aprile. Man... something about Richie was just meaner and even darker than Ralphie. Maybe because he spent so much time in prison. David Proval did an amazing job playing Richie. When he said "I'll build a ramp up to your ass, drive a Lionel up in there” to Paulie and Silvio, I was shocked. Guy was sinister.
there have been a couple gay jokes made by the other members within Vitos presence, before everyone found out he was gay, and his reactions to all of them are priceless
@@thundersquid5715 you're acting as if him being gay was in the cards all along but it wasn't. It was a spontaneous character idea suggested by the actor himself. Even here, there's nothing really special about the acknowledging glance he gave Ralphie after he said what he said. You guys are reading way to into it all for the sake of TH-cam likes.
@@jimsty5222 It was not a spontaneous idea. Vito’s first appearance was that scene in the bakery with Christopher in season one. When the actor was brought back for season two, he had the idea for a gay mafioso in his head already based on real life gay mafioso, John D’Amato. D’Amato was a North jersey crime boss who was assassinated by his own family when they discovered his lifestyle. The actor has said as much in interviews. It wasnt until season 5 that the gay storyline happened. The actor pitched it to David Chase presumably sometime between seasons two and four. Youre probably right that people are seeing what they want to see but even at this point in the show, the actor has the idea that his character is gay.
0:34. I always laughed at how, “disrespecting the Bing,” was worse in their twisted eyes than killing Traci was. It was always said first, not just in this scene.
Tony said it first because he knew nobody else really cared about Traci. He thought using that bada bing line would be more useful. He definitely was affected by traceys death more than everybody else
Its true, the Bing was far more important. It was the hangout, the business building, the enjoyment, a decent money maker. You would stick some random whooar over it?
I fucking loved Silvio. Those two were an amazing duet. Silvio was super smart (and maybe the only 100% loyal) and understood every situation well enough to help Tony and be his “ambassador”. The best Tony could get,
This scene shows that Ralph really doesn't think he did anything wrong. Tony, Silvio, and later Johnny Sack, all know Ralph got what was coming to him, but Ralph really can't think of a reason as to why Tony struck him. Ralph thinks, if anything, Tony did it just to spite him, not because he'd just killed a young girl with a kid.
Yea a kid that was in care of her mother after coming out of care because she was putting out lit cigarettes out on him. Not to mention the H and coke she was doing while pregnant. Real classy young girl.
You gotta look at it from their perspective. Even Silvio says “he’s got a legitimate beef” according to the rules in La Cosa Nostra if you strike a made guy then you’re subject to death. That’s it. Tracee hit Ralph and Ralph enforcer the rules.
Tracee was an investment to Silvio, one that would never pay off now for him now because of Ralphie. The only person who truly felt bad for the death of Tracee was Tony, and that's because Tracee was the same age as Meadow.
They always talk about how being made, made you basically untouchable. Yet, we constantly see made guys being attacked. Mikey palmice getting beat down then stapled, Chris getting jumped at his intervention, etc... It's almost like they bend more rules than the Catholic church.
When Tony said over his dead body the look on Sils face. It was like he was conveying to Tony "Yeah don't say something like that especially in our business"
Sil was the voice of reason which is why he had the position he had. Even Jackie asked him if he wanted the Big Seat, but Sil turned it down. Some people in everyday life and throughout history in many roles were content to be a power behind the throne rather than be on the throne themselves. They didn’t want the headaches, or probably in this case, the target.
I love how real his portrayal of Silvio is. He said something to the effect of 'When I sit down in that makeup chair I'm Steven Van Zandt. When I leave that trailer I'm Silvio Dante until the cameras stop rolling for that day".
Ray Liotta was almost cast as Ralph but he decided he did not want to commit to a tv series. Liotta's Ralph would have been interesting b/c he would have been more of a rival to Tony, on every level. It was clear that Joe P.'s Ralph was a weasel and no match for Tony but a Liotta-Ralph would have constituted a true threat to Tony's leadership. Also, with a Liotta-Ralph, it would be easy to see why Tony would be concerned that an opportunist like Johnny Sack might try and install Ralph as the boss of Jersey. On the other hand, I couldn't envision Joe P.-Ralph as the boss of anything.
Kris Adhikari You need to check your research. It is correct that Liotta was also considered for Tony but turned it down b/c he didn't want to do a tv series. David Chase was a HUGE fan of Goodfellas and wanted Liotta in The Sopranos, which is why he was also approached about playing Ralph.
James Kennedy Yes but Liotta-Tony going to see his shrink would kinda ruin it, as well as him dealing with his nephew Chris. Also Liotta dealing with Phil would be wierd too.
James Kennedy interesting. i didnt know that bit of trivia. Tho' the thought of Liotta in the role is intriguing, Joe P's take on the character was the way to go...not to mention his amazing acting abilities.
The first scene here with Ralph, he is given a drink and he says thank you, yet somehow he cannot see how turning down a drink from the boss could be offensive 😂 brilliant writing all around
Tony fucking curb stomped a guy and almost shot him in the face for making rude sexual remarks to his daughter. Imagine what he’d to do someone that beat his daughter to death lmao
What a great adviser Sil was, the thing is, Ralphie knew he was untouchable. He was far and away the biggest earner, as he himself once said, he brought in $3M a year from construction alone. You can't fuck with a guy who brings in that kind of cash. Even the Boss of New York refused to touch Ralphie during the whole joke thing about Ginny Sac. Johnny wanted Carmine to sanction a hit on Ralphie and Carmine shut him down immediately, saying "there are millions of dollars at stake". They made too much money with Ralphie and his unions. See, in the mob, if you're known as a top earner by everyone, you're almost nearly untouchable, even more so than your own rank, the most important thing is the cash you bring in to the bosses! Ralphie had major support even in New York and Tony knew that.
Lietiel Hmm not quite. He was pulled out of his car just as a bomb which was planted underneath went off. Obviously someone attempted to kill him, but I do get your point, from the point of view of the bosses De Niro's character was working for, he was untouchable!
Kanguesso Kang Precisely. It was believed to be Joe Pesci's crew who planted the bomb, not the bosses, who had Pesci whacked. And it's because the bosses knew what a good earner De Niro was. It's all about the bottom line with those guys. Dollars and cents.
Lietiel Yep, I can recall that now. You're right on the money. I feel in the mob your ability to earn and be a great earner can be more important than your rank within the crew. Joe Pesci's character had a higher ranking than De Niro's character yet De Niro was such a great earner that he was the one who was untouchable.
Season 3 is where I really started to have great interest in Silvio! I really do love it when Silvio mentors and counselors Tony privately. It makes me fathom that Tony and Silvio are best friends. I think Tony always loved Silvio Dante like a brother just like Tony loved Big Pussy like a brother. I especially love it when Silvio counseled Tony about Ralph Cifaretto killing a young innocent girl. I also especially loved it when Silvio helped his best friend Tony come up with a plan to kill Richie too!
I always got that vibe when I watched the show, that Sil and Tony were like brothers and in instances of the show it almost came across like Paulie was jealous of Tony and Silvios' friendship and closeness
No. He listened.. Tony wanted to keep his cousin safe but if you see All Due Respect episode, it's that convo with Sil where he goes from blinded cousin to a real Boss of a family, so then, he goes to kill Tony B himself.. Sil chided and explained to Tony what everyone felt and that changed him in that, though he never acknowledged because of ego..
I wonder if Tony was particularly angry at Ralph because Tracee represented innocence, something Tony had lost. When he kills Ralph he says (supposedly about the horse), "she was a beautiful, innocent creature, and you killed her!"
The great thing about David Chase's plots was the amount of ambiguity. Do we really know to what T really was referring? Tracee behaved like an innocent, and T appeared to have a soft spot for her, so he might have seen her as such.
@@andrewthegraciouslordrober327 Why can't he be referring to both of them? Remember, the horse was female, too. He might be mixing his grief from both killings, since both the victims represented something personal to him that couldn't be explained or admitted (neither the killing of Tracee or the horse would have been considered just cause for his killing Ralph by the Mafia......or the law, for that matter).
ZippyMufo Exactly - this ambiguity was not accidental. David Chase was very particular about managing the scripts and dialogue. He is leaving us twisting in the wind on this.
She represented Meadow. They explicitly made tracee the same age as Meadow in the episode she was apart of. You’re not wrong with the innocence aspect, because Tony absolutely believes his children can do no wrong as represented by how many times they let Meadow get away with anything she wants. But Tracee was primarily meant to be compared to Meadow.
@@rimacidih9350 Not as big a no no as putting hands on a made guy. Once you're made, you're part of the family. Untouchable. Your little finger is worth more than a thousand civilians. Tony acted out of rage and broke the rules. As far as I know, there's no rule against killing civilians. When it's unnecessary it's definitely frowned upon, but not technically a violation.
@@felynecomrade killing a civillian at the mafia headquarters while the boss is there is a big no no. I would assume enough to get a couple slaps or punches. A made guy should know not to do that. When it comes to the bosses safety no status can help you .
@@rimacidih9350 You'd assume wrong. Once you're made, no one can lay hands on you. NO ONE. If you're made, the only way you're getting harmed within the rules is if you become a rat. Tony should have cussed him out, HEAVILY penalised him monetarily, and hell, maybe even spit on him. But he was out of line to get violent with him. Everyone in the show agrees on that. Tony acted out of rage. HE broke the rules, not Ralphie. Ralphie was just being a reckless piece of shit. Over time, yes, repeat offenses like that would need to be amended lest it bring unwanted heat on the crew, but you need to understand just how sacred being made is.
The Sopranos was so irresistible. The video ended when you wanted it to last longer. I wish I had the whole series on DVD. RIP James. Your death was like a bad bolt of lighting to me. So sad. Say hello to our friends in heaven. You were a blessing to us here on Earth.
Out of show, that's a wig, Steven Van Zandt is bald (there's a reason he always wears a bandana during shows). In show it's vague but the prequel film confirmed Silvio was already severely balding by age 30 so it's a wig if you consider it canon.
"I could see it if it was his daughter, or a niece of his." Really shows how warped these guys are. To Ralphie, Tony hitting him would only be acceptable if Ralphie murdered a member of Tony's family. But for killing a random person, *Ralphie is owed an apology*
This is one of my favorite Silvio scenes. He's levelheaded, and presents fairly unbiased opinion. All without making tony angry, which seems to be pretty hard to do in this show lol
Ralph: "I could see if it was his daughter..." I dunno Ralph. Punching you over killing his daughter seems like overkill...you are a made guy after all.
The problem here is that Tony thinks it's fine to mete out his arbitrary form of justice whenever he doesn't like what happened. Silvio explained it perfectly. Tony had no connection to that girl but in his mind he is in the right if he thinks the action should be punished. He killed Ralph over a dead horse. Decides to kill his nephew because he looks over and sees a child seat in the car and convinces himself that the kid is going to end up dead someday. Ralph is a piece of shit but Tony just deciding that he can compulsively mete out justice whenever he wants just goes to show how unstable he is. He thinks that he is above the mob code he swore to uphold while constantly telling others how important it is to respect tradition.
I think in Christopher’s case, Tony used the car seat as extra justification for killing him. Christopher saying he’d never pass a drug test after the accident made Tony finally realize that Christopher was a real threat to flip if he got arrested.
@@gareginasatryan6761 dont u remember they would always poingt out that sociopaths showed great empathy towards chikdren and animals because they thinkg they should. But yet he always wants to bash his sons face in.
1) saying justice about an inherently unjust organization is a bridge too far. 2) they all are murdering scumbags, ralphie is just the most dislikeable of the bunch. 3) ralphie needed to be taken out with his loose cannon attitude. 4) silvio is right on the rules 5) Tony has to thread the needle with this ralphie situation 6) ralphie was sticking to Tony every chance he got.
Tommy Desimmone learned the hard way about going around killing people. Regardless of what he did to billy batts he was also killing civilians which pisses the Police and Feds off. Thats bad for business and the Cops and Feds are the real mafia if they wanna destroy their business they Can and will.
Like in the Wire when Mcnulty said why can't they just sell the shit and move on. Its the bodies, the bodies is what attracts law enforcement. We always think its the drugs, prostitution, gambling, extortion. Its the bodies that hit the cops radar.
Honestly I respected the was Silvio thought things out. He was always the quiet one and was always the one to think things through before any major moves were made.
+Austin McMahon I think Pesci would not have been as good as Ralph. Too many people find it too funny to mimic him. Richie was so dark, Pesci would have made people see Tony Spilotro.
Always thought Pesci should've guest starred as that retired cop that Chrissy whacked in the season 4 opener. Would've been great cosmic irony considering their history
The Sopranos had some major flaws (call it artistic license if you like), the biggest one being how casually and openly people were shot and/or murdered, like Hollywood depictions of the Wild West. That links in with the issue with Ralphie. In the Sopranos world, Ralphie killing a beautiful young stripper who was an employee of the Bing and doing so outside the club which is on one of the busiest highways in New Jersey, and doing so during a mob party where Ralphie comes back in after beating her to death and puts his hand in ice; that is no big deal, maybe the equivalent of auto theft in the real world, and the real culprit is Tony for hitting him for it. But IRL mob world of 2000 or whenever this was filmed, what Ralphie did was all kinds of insane and a danger to all operations. There are so many ways that this could turn out badly. For starters, the other strippers at the party could have started talking to the police or at least leave the Bing if they didn't feel safe there. The police would have been all over this, a beautiful young woman who was pregnant and who they may have known was involved with Ralphie disappears. Just the type of thing to sway a jury.
That's why Tony reacted the way he did. And it was also a commentary on the fact that this girl, like so many people, was basically alone in life. She didn't have anyone to raise a fuss about it, and forget the strippers ratting to the cops. You kidding? They know how things work.
bearcat648This would've been a MAJORPROBLEM in reality!Killing not only a woman but an employee at a connected spot!He might've been whacked over this but had strong early with Sack.The point is a civilian was beaten to death there with a bunch of made guys present!Psycho time bomb .Tax him big let him earn with another borgata then whack him while another guy learns the ropes of Ralphies businesses. Whaddya think?
Silvio expressed private frustrations at times like with Livias funeral, but he really was a clear cut right hand man. Assessed and validate some feelings of Tony, then gave clear objective advice based on the set of rules dictated by the game. He did the same thing when Tony was prideful with New York and Vito. Told him what he needed, then when dismissed, asked if he needed anything else and left. All business.
Silvio is always the most level headed and politically sound. Fucking love his character. He make look like a greaseball but he’s a fucking tactical genius.
I loved Silvio. He was the voice of reason kind of like Tom Hagen in The Godfather Movies. Isn't it amazing how Steven Van Zandt, and Michelle reinvented themselves from being Rock Legends to TV Actors/Actresses. In The UK a lot of former Members of Boy Bands/Girl Groups reinvent themselves on Soap Operas and do very well.
Ralph was talking rubbish, if he had killed his daughter or niece he would have got tortured for weeks and brutally murdered, and so was Eugene saying that the same thing happened to a guy that got smacked around, by the sounds of it he didn't get killed though did he? Ralph murdered a young pregnant women, and forget what she does for a living, she worked for Silvio and it happened outside of his business. Tony's stance was correct.
yeah, I never understand the direction they took this that Tony was in any way at fault. Maybe by some rulebook somewhere, but these guys break those rules all the time. Ralphie killed a young pregnant girl who worked for Silvio at a business that was a central meeting place for the family. He even did it outside, and if you know the location of the "Bing" on Rte 17, that's just crazy. Ralphie getting beat up a little was easier than him getting taxed.
Yep Tonys, stance was correct, he killed a young pregnant girl. Who was working for an entity that contributed to the New Jersey family's revenue, Ralph was wrong on this one.
5eurocups2005- I agreed with you here, but this scene depicts how hard core Organized Crime really is, Tony "he bashed the poor girl's brains in"; Silvio's response to paraphrase "the fact is Tony she is not related to us by blood or marriage, she was not your goo-mar, and he's a made man; all things considered he's got a legitimate beef. Make him disappear or make nice, you only got two choices". And Silvio was considered the reasonable one. Yeah this show was brilliant on so many levels. David Chase did not glamorize the characters on the show, and you can see the ugliness come out on quite a few of them, the one that stands out the most for me but seems to have gone unnoticed was Paulie's murdering of the old woman so he could steal her money just to impress Tony with a fatter envelope. The way each of those scenarios are presented it was like just an afterthought to them. Ralphie just happen to "appear" like he was a loose cannon who exposed his ugliness out in t he open. What he did punching a pregnant woman in her stomach and pummeling her to death wasn't even their main concern in this conversation; Ralphies a good earner, Ralphies a made man OR to rebuttal; Ralphie disrespected the Bing, Ralphie turned Tony down for a drink. Even Johny Sac weighed in later on by telling Tony; "She was a whore !" in defense of Ralphie but later wants Ralphie whacked because the remark he made about his Wife. Because he couldn't get that hit sanctioned Johhny Sac even laments where's the honor? It's all about money? Meanwhile that poor woman who was punched in the stomach by Ralphie knowing she was pregnant was a mere after thought to their rules as Silvio pointed out, and in this scene Tony veered off the page of the Mafia's credo, a credo these parasites live by. But that's why this show was brilliant on so many levels, it was never always black and white and did not glamorize who they really were, all while showing the human side of their nature, even in Ralphie's case when his son was in the Hospital.
Wise guy-"Well they kinda have to be like that for their business to run smoothly. In their line of work people get hurt all the time so they can't pick and choose when to have a conscious", that's one of the reasons why the show was brilliant, because it did show the darker side and how despicable they can be; they would do anything to turn a buck. Most shows of this genre glamorized what they do one way or the other, even movies like the Godfather and Goodfellas never really get into the ugly side of what they do with such detail; (the horses head in a bed doesn't count because they don't show how innocent everyday citizens get brutalized), and I think that's why so many people like the Sopranos, most of the characters were well developed and we got to see all sides of their characters, it was way more realistic.
If Silvio was so disrespected by it, then why did he say in this very scene that Ralph had a legitimate beef? He disrespected the Bing but he still shouldn't have been touched.
Silvio knew exactly what he was doing. He started off by validating Tony, which made him listen. Then he begins telling him what he needs to hear. Silvio is the best consigliere
But ultimately, Tony didn't take any of it on board.
Roz Sa well he kind of did since he made Ralph Captain..
He was caught off guard when Johnny Sac told Tony both families shared Ron Zellman and all the profits that came with it.
@@depressedkermit5337 only by default. Not with his blessings.
I'm the best consigliere.
Silvio is a student of Machiavelli:
"Men should be either treated generously or destroyed, because they take revenge for slight injuries- for heavy ones they cannot"
Being Italian I bet he read The Prince and it helped him be such a great number 2
Maybe he just played Total War Medieval II
Say want you want about Tony, but he did at least have some good traits and ethics. He was disgusted that Ralph killed that girl. He had a soft spot for animals. He didn't want to order the hit on one of his capos and top earners, Vito, for being a queer. And his uncle, whom he presumably loved, he gave a pass even though he put a hit on Tony. This is one of the reasons I liked the Sopranos. They're all arguably pretty bad people, willing to rob and murder for their own interests - but they're not portrayed as one dimensional villains.
@@12227UserName The Sopranos is the story of a man who just wants to raise ducks and draw fish bowls but is trapped in the mafia.
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“He disrespected the Bing.” Very similar to Christopher’s “Don’t disrespect the pizza parlor!”
But with the pizza parlor get "soft drinks of choice!"
Believe it or not it's a real mob rule. Their businesses are fronts where they launder their dirty money. An employee suddenly disappearing would have gave the police the cause they needed to obtain a warrant to search the Bing. Or better yet audit the Bings books. Doing anything bad for business is a big no no in the mob and that was a huge violation. If Tony had gone to New york, had a sit down with Carmine to get the Ok. He could have easily had Ralph whacked. Made or not. Believe me he wanted to. The only problem he had was he knew John Sacrimoni would have for certain talked Carmine out of it. John was Carmines consigliere and he had lucrative side business with Ralph. After that back fire Ralph would have wanted the ok to whack Tony. Tony only made Ralph copo to avoid a war. He had no other choice.
Not to be an asshole but he really can’t be seen at places like that anymore
@@imonit1177 Tony could have had Ralph killed. Internal family politics isn't part of the deal. Just nobody was willing to discipline the little shit.
20 years I'm collecting these things, wathaf@k it's only glass .
This is without a doubt one of silvio's best scenes. His ability to give advice to Tony is unmatched
Can you believe this guy never acted before, what a brilliant performance, great acting
I’m just telling you , how your being fcking perceived
@@diogenes. really? If true that’s insane what a natural
@@nicm238 yeah ,i know ,joe rogan is always ranting about it ,eno how good he is and all that he's more obsessed with this show than i am 😄
I always loved how similar and yet different Richie and Ralph were. Both were psychopaths but in much different ways. Richie had that evil aura about him. Any scene with him was intense and you were on edge. He was like impending doom. Ralph was an evil troll. Almost like the Joker.
Good thought. Yes, Ralph was totally demented.
That's a good analysis
both laid with janice as well, and each was on a.. different side of the sexual spectrum, let's say
They were both comparable as loose cannons. You can’t help but compare them if you followed the show. My question is who would you rather have as a cellmate? 😂
Thinking about it I’d have to pick Ralph. He could at least have a joke and at least give the impression that he could be a social animal. Ritchie? Not so much. 😂 I think if there’s more chance you could upset Ritchie but not realise it till he’s trying to kill you in your sleep. After quietly brooding laying on his bunk. While I think Ralph is a more ‘open book’. 😂
@@ahmed-bw5mb hahaha
Silvio was the smartest and realest one of the crew. True soldier
Except for Columbus day.. he felt marginalized hahaha
Honestly, out of everyone on the crew, Tony could only really count on Silvio and Paulie.
@@Mortablunt Paulie was an incredible dumbass but hey if you watch pewdiecancer you might not even have noticed that.
Ra HoWa; He was a solider before being promoted to consigliere in the backstory leading up to the first season. I think Craig meant it as a general term, which he was the epitome of a true and loyal soldier in the trenches
But an ignoble asshole. No heart, the way murdered Chrisy's wife...
"What? You think I'm afraid of that fat fuck?" *Looks at Vito* "No offense." Best line
no, the best line is at the end:
ralphie (talking about having thanksgiving dinner at tony's house): 'f**k him and his turkey, i ought'a shove a drum stick up his ass!'
vito looks at him with raised eyebrows......
Heh heh heh yup
Talk is cheap. Ralph was afraid of Tony.
2:56
"What? You think I'm afraid of that fat, crotchless chaps with the ass cheeks out wearing fuck? No offense."
"make him disappear ... or make nice". Great scene. Silvio was a born consigliere.
AgilityAgent agreed. Silvio was excellent
He was my favorite one in the crew.
well...that advice applies to every situation in the mob. nothing special
I have to disagree. While I absolutely love Sil as a character, I have to admit that to me, he always was a yes-man. Was there anytime where he dissuaded Tony to do it? The most cases aren't really that difficult to solve, Tony already knew what to do, Sil just pointed out the obvious. The one who really helped him was Junior. He was the real consigliere of Tony.
@@O.G.H. some good points you have there but remember Uncle Jun was always looking for ways to get rid of Tony. Sil actually told Tony his problem was pride and stubbornness, got Tony to support the Columbus Day demos despite his wishes, and got Tony out of Fat Dom's murder room. Oftentimes his gestures were subtle and even Tony admitted him to the most 'level-headed guy I got'. But I admit you have a good shout about uncle Jun
Subtle hint at power, with Tony and Silvio eating at a upscale restaurant and Ralph, Vito and Eugene eating at some middle of the road diner.
I'd take a Jersey diner any day... and twice on Sundays
smart
@jews juice actually pretty subtle bro
I saw that transition myself n knew I'd find a comment about it
Didn't all three of those get it? I think so. I recall Eugene got it while jogging.
I love the moment where Silvio says 'she was not related to you by blood or marriage', and the subtle way Tony nods his head as if saying 'Yes, yes you are making reasonable points'. Such wonderful writing, acting and directing.
Right. It was always the family and protocol thing.
Yea, we getting. Great writing and acting. People say it every video
think that nods were like" ok say that boring protocol things " so we can continue causse he killed poor girl still
He means that you don't have the right to get revenge. Because she's not related to him . If he felt he need to get revenge then he should start by himself for killing .. because they're all killers
@@H.EL-Othemany not true at all, revenge has absolutely zero to do with it
theres 1 simple reason Tony is in the wrong
a made guy cant be touched
unless the whole family votes that he has to go
and even than it might not happen because he could be earning too much money for the family
making a move against the boss or his relatives is probably the only legit death sentence there is
other than that a made guy can do as he pleases with basically no concequences
like getting promoted for killing a innocent girl because Tony got to emotional
thats the bottonline here
"Don't be surprised, if Paulie pops the question."
After Ralph disrespecting Tony, Paulie suggested whacking Ralph 0.01 seconds after Ralph walked away. LOL
hahaha paulie, just wanted everyone popped to make it easier for himself. classic
pk N KiD that was not the question. The question was if Paulie gets to take his place
@@redrath2 exactly. Any hood person recognized that
FUCK THAT I BEEN TELLIN YA FOR MONTHS DIS GUYS NO GOOD
@Bosphorus32 answer the phone will ya!
Chase said the wrote this storyline because he thought the audience was starting to see Ralphie and the gang almost as a comedy troupe. He wanted to remind people of the reality of who these guys are.
Well mission accomplished. It's 15 years later and I still can't watch the scene of Ralpie beating that poor woman to death. Horrific.
Chase always let you start feeling sympathy for these characters andthen reveal their true selves. Like when Paulie and Chris murder a waiter out of the blue.
@@abeartheycallFozzy and then you end up feeling for them again
absolutely genius show
@@Zapp__Brannigan I hear you, when it first aired it was very controversial. Chase caught a lot of heat over that, so did HBO. Part of the reason I think ralphies character was killed off.
@@abeartheycallFozzy people felt bad for poor gay Vito NH until he crashed into a guys car and shot him
0:48 When Silvio starts giving his advice, that look Tony gives him, like "Yeah, I know, you're right, I know those rules already" but at the same time you can sense Tony feels grateful to Silvio for his advice and make him focus on facts. Both actors are spot on, the scene is 100% believable.
"I could see if it was his daughter" Ralph's delusional if he actually thought he could murder Meadow and it'll end up with Tony's just punching him
If it were his daughter, Ralph would have wished he was dead
After what he did to coco just for being a creep yeah that’s gonna be some biblical shit
@@cjj9127 the part with the teeth still haunts me 🥲
Yes, I can only imagine what Tony would have done to Ralph for even putting a finger on Meadow’s forehead 🔥
I was thinking the same thing when Ralphie said that... If he had beaten Meadow to death or even unconscious, Ralphie would have been immediately executed right there in the parking lot at the Bing... No questions asked
@@esotericintrovert1669 there’d be nothing left of Ralph
The way Ralph says whore kills me every time I’m dying 😂😂
Woha!!! or something...lol
Hoouh
Hooaahhyaa
Uncle Philly also pronounces it "who-er"
Christopher too, to Adriana: "You fuckin' hoo-ah, go home, get my dinner ready!"
"I can see if it was his daughter.."
Ralph would have been killed on the spot
Imagine if Ralph beat Meadow to death and ralph is all like well I can see his point for hitting me
Firstname Lastname lol more like "killing me."
+nottmdude Knowing how Ralph paused himself from lending Artie Bucco money, he wouldn't get close enough to Meadow to even bring up that kind of a situation. But Tracee would not have been any one Tony really cared about, which was _mostly_ true.
And tortured first.
But she was a hewer.
I love how the restaurant decor subtly contrasts the power dynamic between Tony and Ralph. Tony and Silvio drink wine surrounded by elegant paintings while Ralph and his crew drink water and look out onto the dark street. This highlights both the difference in power within the mob hierarchy as well as the level of sophistication with which they strategize against each other. Tony receives cogent advice from his wisest counselor while Ralph allows a sycophantic subordinate to feed his confirmation bias and ignores his future successor who states the rather obvious truth: "He is the boss. He can do what he wants." This all dovetails with the apology scene as Tony ultimately has to put Ralph in his place since he refuses to acknowledge it on his own. Excellent writing and cinematography.
Well spotted. Excellent eye for detail
The sacred, and the propane.
Don't overthink it.
@@NickHarman - Nah, he's 100% correct. 😌
@@KabbalahSherry He's spotted something obvious, a simple piece of direction, but wants to over think it
2:29 This line goes to show what little self-awareness these guys have. Ralph thinks if he beat Meadow to death then Tony would be justified in his anger. No Ralph, you'd be tortured to death ala what Phil wanted to do to that animal Blundetto.
I can't even say his name
@@Albert_O_Balsamdon’t do it to yourself
The “no offense” line to Vito always slays me
Silvio was the best character. Most loyal guy in the crew, always played by the rules, kept the dollar as the bottom line. Absolute asset
Killed Andreana too. Always the professional.
@@miamitten1123 he stuck to the script. Gotta respect that
And Van Zant had never even been in so much as a commercial in his entire life. Eternal respect.
Christopher was the most loyal
This is when I respected Silvio (who's always been up there as my fav) the most. Consigliere to the 1st degree. He gives detailed pros and cons for what T might have to do. Sil, despite beating women, seems to be the most level headed and moral character. He knows how to talk to T with sincere emotions that played a big part in saving the life (for the moment) of Ralph.
Hell yeah! Agreed.
I disagree on "moral" part though. That was Bobby by a mile. I LOVED SIL too.
lol moral. silvio later on can't even remember why ralph beat the girl to death. he analyses situations good but he's as much of a piece of shit as the rest of the crew.
Spoiler alert 😂
Richie Aprile; Spot On, You definitely get this show
Looks at Vito "No offense"
LOL, this was the perfect blend of a character you absolutely hate yet is absolutely hilarious at the same time. Never a character like him on the Sopranos.
definitely top 5-10 best characters in the show.
I mean you send in an old man....... whats he gonna do gum the guy to death 😂😂😂....
Dark Eco yep, I’d say he was just behind Richie Aprile. Man... something about Richie was just meaner and even darker than Ralphie. Maybe because he spent so much time in prison. David Proval did an amazing job playing Richie. When he said "I'll build a ramp up to your ass, drive a Lionel up in there” to Paulie and Silvio, I was shocked. Guy was sinister.
I respected the hell out of him for not wanting to loan Artie money and I was happy when Tony beat him to death. Ralphie was a complicated character.
Ralph gave the show that unespected comedy touch, i loved his character
"Don't be surprised if Paulie pops the question"
Paulie suggested killing Ralph the second he turned down that drink
I love how Vito is not remotely offended until Ralphie says no offense. 😂
"All this over a dead hoor."
These people are pure monsters.
That's the point
Maybe a show like "Walker Texas Ranger" is something more appropriate for you then. The good guys!!!!
@@ascendant95 we aren't making a western over here
@@ascendant95 sopranos fan are so sensitive
Ralph was a legend.
The dialogue is so good in this show. Concise, authentic and interesting.
The sacred and the propane.
very allegorical
The hua, whatever happened there.
This table is dead they just don't know it yet.
Morbid. :]
Let me tell you a couple if three 3 things. Ralphie dead, vito dead, and that other pigmy fella, i forget his name, DEAD.
@@2nvsolo451 Eugene
@@ITIsFunnyDamnIT yeah, whutevva happened there?
to be fair... everyone got whacked...
The look on Vito's face when Ralph said "...up his ass" 😂😂😂
I thought the look was for "drumstick"
there have been a couple gay jokes made by the other members within Vitos presence, before everyone found out he was gay, and his reactions to all of them are priceless
"Now that's something I can get behind"
@@thundersquid5715 you're acting as if him being gay was in the cards all along but it wasn't. It was a spontaneous character idea suggested by the actor himself. Even here, there's nothing really special about the acknowledging glance he gave Ralphie after he said what he said. You guys are reading way to into it all for the sake of TH-cam likes.
@@jimsty5222 It was not a spontaneous idea. Vito’s first appearance was that scene in the bakery with Christopher in season one.
When the actor was brought back for season two, he had the idea for a gay mafioso in his head already based on real life gay mafioso, John D’Amato. D’Amato was a North jersey crime boss who was assassinated by his own family when they discovered his lifestyle. The actor has said as much in interviews.
It wasnt until season 5 that the gay storyline happened. The actor pitched it to David Chase presumably sometime between seasons two and four. Youre probably right that people are seeing what they want to see but even at this point in the show, the actor has the idea that his character is gay.
0:34. I always laughed at how, “disrespecting the Bing,” was worse in their twisted eyes than killing Traci was. It was always said first, not just in this scene.
Tony said it first because he knew nobody else really cared about Traci. He thought using that bada bing line would be more useful. He definitely was affected by traceys death more than everybody else
Its true, the Bing was far more important. It was the hangout, the business building, the enjoyment, a decent money maker. You would stick some random whooar over it?
Jeff Brown
There were two basic rules ..
1. You don’t disrespect the Bing.
2. You don’t disrespect the pizza parlor.
@Mister Guy No one gives a shit how her named was spelled.
"and he;s barred from the place" lol
I fucking loved Silvio. Those two were an amazing duet. Silvio was super smart (and maybe the only 100% loyal) and understood every situation well enough to help Tony and be his “ambassador”. The best Tony could get,
Tony's morality came out here. Silvio did not approve of Ralph's actions but Silvio quickly reminded Tony how THEIR world works.
Underrated comment
"Tony's morality came out here"
"He disrespected the Bing"- Tony's morality
Ralphie and Vito were both big earners.
@M R both take it up the ass lmao
That's because Vito was greasing the union
Torni 3945 both gay
That crew was cursed
Vito became the big earner after Ralph died
This scene shows that Ralph really doesn't think he did anything wrong. Tony, Silvio, and later Johnny Sack, all know Ralph got what was coming to him, but Ralph really can't think of a reason as to why Tony struck him. Ralph thinks, if anything, Tony did it just to spite him, not because he'd just killed a young girl with a kid.
Yea a kid that was in care of her mother after coming out of care because she was putting out lit cigarettes out on him. Not to mention the H and coke she was doing while pregnant. Real classy young girl.
@@RevealedFilms - So she needed beating to death??? 🥴 JFC man...
@@RevealedFilms That justifies Ralphie killing her?
You gotta look at it from their perspective. Even Silvio says “he’s got a legitimate beef” according to the rules in La Cosa Nostra if you strike a made guy then you’re subject to death. That’s it. Tracee hit Ralph and Ralph enforcer the rules.
@@user-ys5yv2nz6w yes. Child abusers go to hell.
Silvio calls Tracee’s death a tragedy. Like it’s a plane crash. Or a hurricane. Like there’s nothing that could be done about it.
Well at that point there was nothing that could be done about it.
Tracee was an investment to Silvio, one that would never pay off now for him now because of Ralphie. The only person who truly felt bad for the death of Tracee was Tony, and that's because Tracee was the same age as Meadow.
He was being sarcastic.
If Sil saw what transpires,he would sanction that murder. Sil is levelheaded...but also a monster.
@@joebeast15 idk, whacking Ralphie is something.
"I could see if it was his daughter or niece"
Does Ralph really not think he would be killed instantly if that were the case?
He wouldn't be killed instantly he'd probably be tortured for weeks.
Tony never did physical torture. Guy shot Chris died fast. Too smart for that.@@qwertyytrewq71
when Ralph said the drum stick up his ass part Vito looked at him like he was imagining it lmao
so?
"Now there's an image"
@@PRHILL9696 spoiler alert: Vito's "a faaaaaaaaag"
Congrats! You made the most obvious joke in the history of TH-cam.
He thought about Meadow as well… This could've been her. And he felt it.
@Look How They Massacred My TH-cam i mean she does do a little striptease at the start of Season 6
U gotta love sil!
Brilliant scene.
Sil's logic is spot-on, as evidenced by a completely separate convo between ralph n his guys!
They always talk about how being made, made you basically untouchable. Yet, we constantly see made guys being attacked. Mikey palmice getting beat down then stapled, Chris getting jumped at his intervention, etc... It's almost like they bend more rules than the Catholic church.
>>made you basically untouchable
Very funny Dom, very cute.
@@SSangsen I don't quite get it, but cute.
i mean its the mob, they make fucking rules to break them. kind of like how they dont follow the law already .
What are we? The fuckin U.N.?!!
When Tony said over his dead body the look on Sils face. It was like he was conveying to Tony "Yeah don't say something like that especially in our business"
Silvio was the best consigliere in the series by far, his advice for Tony was often what kept the NJ mob afloat
R Hirshi I have to go with Albie, who agreed in spirit, but had to counsel
I disagree Junior was.
Sil was the voice of reason which is why he had the position he had. Even Jackie asked him if he wanted the Big Seat, but Sil turned it down. Some people in everyday life and throughout history in many roles were content to be a power behind the throne rather than be on the throne themselves. They didn’t want the headaches, or probably in this case, the target.
I love how real his portrayal of Silvio is. He said something to the effect of 'When I sit down in that makeup chair I'm Steven Van Zandt. When I leave that trailer I'm Silvio Dante until the cameras stop rolling for that day".
Ever since Ralph killed that girl Tony was always looking for an excuse to get rid of him.
And rightfully so.
...And then came the 🐎
Ray Liotta was almost cast as Ralph but he decided he did not want to commit to a tv series. Liotta's Ralph would have been interesting b/c he would have been more of a rival to Tony, on every level. It was clear that Joe P.'s Ralph was a weasel and no match for Tony but a Liotta-Ralph would have constituted a true threat to Tony's leadership. Also, with a Liotta-Ralph, it would be easy to see why Tony would be concerned that an opportunist like Johnny Sack might try and install Ralph as the boss of Jersey. On the other hand, I couldn't envision Joe P.-Ralph as the boss of anything.
Kris Adhikari
You need to check your research. It is correct that Liotta was also considered for Tony but turned it down b/c he didn't want to do a tv series. David Chase was a HUGE fan of Goodfellas and wanted Liotta in The Sopranos, which is why he was also approached about playing Ralph.
James Kennedy Yes but Liotta-Tony going to see his shrink would kinda ruin it, as well as him dealing with his nephew Chris. Also Liotta dealing with Phil would be wierd too.
***** You sound like you are in the closet...
James Kennedy interesting. i didnt know that bit of trivia. Tho' the thought of Liotta in the role is intriguing, Joe P's take on the character was the way to go...not to mention his amazing acting abilities.
I like Joe P.'s Ralph but I would have LOVED to see Gandolfini and Liotta share the screen.
The first scene here with Ralph, he is given a drink and he says thank you, yet somehow he cannot see how turning down a drink from the boss could be offensive 😂 brilliant writing all around
"I can see it if it was his daughter or niece."
He's right, I can imagine Tony being mildly bummed if it was his daughter.
Tony fucking curb stomped a guy and almost shot him in the face for making rude sexual remarks to his daughter. Imagine what he’d to do someone that beat his daughter to death lmao
"mildly bummed" omg gtfoh 🙄
@@humblewonder3260 I’m pretty sure that was sarcasm.
"i could see if she was his daughter" ralphie if that was his daughter, you'd probably be olbiterated by now.
What a great adviser Sil was, the thing is, Ralphie knew he was untouchable. He was far and away the biggest earner, as he himself once said, he brought in $3M a year from construction alone. You can't fuck with a guy who brings in that kind of cash. Even the Boss of New York refused to touch Ralphie during the whole joke thing about Ginny Sac. Johnny wanted Carmine to sanction a hit on Ralphie and Carmine shut him down immediately, saying "there are millions of dollars at stake". They made too much money with Ralphie and his unions. See, in the mob, if you're known as a top earner by everyone, you're almost nearly untouchable, even more so than your own rank, the most important thing is the cash you bring in to the bosses! Ralphie had major support even in New York and Tony knew that.
Kanguesso Kang Exactly why Robert De Niro's character survived in Casino. He never failed to haul in dough.
Lietiel Hmm not quite. He was pulled out of his car just as a bomb which was planted underneath went off. Obviously someone attempted to kill him, but I do get your point, from the point of view of the bosses De Niro's character was working for, he was untouchable!
Kanguesso Kang Precisely. It was believed to be Joe Pesci's crew who planted the bomb, not the bosses, who had Pesci whacked. And it's because the bosses knew what a good earner De Niro was. It's all about the bottom line with those guys. Dollars and cents.
Lietiel Yep, I can recall that now. You're right on the money. I feel in the mob your ability to earn and be a great earner can be more important than your rank within the crew. Joe Pesci's character had a higher ranking than De Niro's character yet De Niro was such a great earner that he was the one who was untouchable.
reshi pn All about the cash!
Season 3 is where I really started to have great interest in Silvio! I really do love it when Silvio mentors and counselors Tony privately. It makes me fathom that Tony and Silvio are best friends. I think Tony always loved Silvio Dante like a brother just like Tony loved Big Pussy like a brother. I especially love it when Silvio counseled Tony about Ralph Cifaretto killing a young innocent girl. I also especially loved it when Silvio helped his best friend Tony come up with a plan to kill Richie too!
+Zach Cloutier ...Silvio was a classic! Top 3 guys of the whole show!
Definitely!
Lol
Adrian N. and then thinks for a second and says "I forget...what was it for again?"
I always got that vibe when I watched the show, that Sil and Tony were like brothers and in instances of the show it almost came across like Paulie was jealous of Tony and Silvios' friendship and closeness
I love how Vito and Eugene both look around when Ralph says fuck Tony lol.
"Then I said(looks both ways)BITCH!".lolol
@@GemsOfPower7 dedded
I love how Tony has a consigliere, yet he never, ever listens to Silvio
🤦🏽♂️😅
It's his character, he's a cowboy and to him, I think listening to Silvio would hurt his pride because he'd have to admit he was wrong
He listened to Sil-he bumped Ralphie to Captain. When he HAD to do things, he did em.
No. He listened.. Tony wanted to keep his cousin safe but if you see All Due Respect episode, it's that convo with Sil where he goes from blinded cousin to a real Boss of a family, so then, he goes to kill Tony B himself..
Sil chided and explained to Tony what everyone felt and that changed him in that, though he never acknowledged because of ego..
It’s more for just advice so he can see both sides.
I wonder if Tony was particularly angry at Ralph because Tracee represented innocence, something Tony had lost. When he kills Ralph he says (supposedly about the horse), "she was a beautiful, innocent creature, and you killed her!"
Wow
The great thing about David Chase's plots was the amount of ambiguity. Do we really know to what T really was referring? Tracee behaved like an innocent, and T appeared to have a soft spot for her, so he might have seen her as such.
@@andrewthegraciouslordrober327 Why can't he be referring to both of them? Remember, the horse was female, too. He might be mixing his grief from both killings, since both the victims represented something personal to him that couldn't be explained or admitted (neither the killing of Tracee or the horse would have been considered just cause for his killing Ralph by the Mafia......or the law, for that matter).
ZippyMufo Exactly - this ambiguity was not accidental. David Chase was very particular about managing the scripts and dialogue. He is leaving us twisting in the wind on this.
She represented Meadow. They explicitly made tracee the same age as Meadow in the episode she was apart of. You’re not wrong with the innocence aspect, because Tony absolutely believes his children can do no wrong as represented by how many times they let Meadow get away with anything she wants. But Tracee was primarily meant to be compared to Meadow.
The boss does NOT apologize.
Maybe not with words... but Sil was right, Tony WAS in the wrong there. You can't attack a made guy, not for something he does to a civilian.
@@felynecomrade yea you can... You think these guys want that heat on them? Killing civilians is a big no no ...
@@rimacidih9350 Not as big a no no as putting hands on a made guy. Once you're made, you're part of the family. Untouchable. Your little finger is worth more than a thousand civilians.
Tony acted out of rage and broke the rules. As far as I know, there's no rule against killing civilians. When it's unnecessary it's definitely frowned upon, but not technically a violation.
@@felynecomrade killing a civillian at the mafia headquarters while the boss is there is a big no no. I would assume enough to get a couple slaps or punches. A made guy should know not to do that. When it comes to the bosses safety no status can help you .
@@rimacidih9350 You'd assume wrong. Once you're made, no one can lay hands on you. NO ONE. If you're made, the only way you're getting harmed within the rules is if you become a rat.
Tony should have cussed him out, HEAVILY penalised him monetarily, and hell, maybe even spit on him. But he was out of line to get violent with him. Everyone in the show agrees on that. Tony acted out of rage. HE broke the rules, not Ralphie. Ralphie was just being a reckless piece of shit. Over time, yes, repeat offenses like that would need to be amended lest it bring unwanted heat on the crew, but you need to understand just how sacred being made is.
The Sopranos was so irresistible. The video ended when you wanted it to last longer. I wish I had the whole series on DVD. RIP James. Your death was like a bad bolt of lighting to me. So sad. Say hello to our friends in heaven. You were a blessing to us here on Earth.
Fuck DVD. Use Torrent.
@@RonsaRRR i dont agree with you but the way you said it cracked me up 😂
Tell James to say hi to Frank Vincent and Tony Sirico for us
@@RonsaRRR Agreed. (Turn to my DVD, "No offense.")
Idk if that's a wig Silvio is wearing or if it's his real hair, if it's his real hair that's the most perfect pompadour I've seen since Elvis
Out of show, that's a wig, Steven Van Zandt is bald (there's a reason he always wears a bandana during shows). In show it's vague but the prequel film confirmed Silvio was already severely balding by age 30 so it's a wig if you consider it canon.
“You think I’m afraid of that fat f**k. No offense” lmao. Vito’s reaction after Ralphie says that is always hilarious to me.
The way Ralphie says Anarchy... top fucking class
"I could see it if it was his daughter, or a niece of his." Really shows how warped these guys are. To Ralphie, Tony hitting him would only be acceptable if Ralphie murdered a member of Tony's family. But for killing a random person, *Ralphie is owed an apology*
Right and if it was a daughter or niece of his, Christoper would have been chopping Ralphie up a lot sooner than when he did.
Yep Tony broke the rules. He should have bided his time but the dead horse set him off.
"Hoors" kills me lmao 🤣🤣
I love that the sopranos corner of TH-cam has zero ads.
The sound in the silvio, tony scene 🤌👌
"He disrespected the bing"
Lol
>>"He disrespected the bing"
At least he didn't disrespect the pizza parlor.
Say what you want about Ralph, but the guy surely knows how to run a crew. Everytime the crew was on screen, good money, good laughs.
This is one of my favorite Silvio scenes. He's levelheaded, and presents fairly unbiased opinion. All without making tony angry, which seems to be pretty hard to do in this show lol
This season was the closest we ever had to a Jersey Civil War. Good thing the Lupertazzi Family became the main antagonist in the last 2 seasons.
Ralph: "I could see if it was his daughter..."
I dunno Ralph. Punching you over killing his daughter seems like overkill...you are a made guy after all.
If Ralph even touched Meadow he'd be gone and not a soul would be brave enough to ask Tony where he went.
The problem here is that Tony thinks it's fine to mete out his arbitrary form of justice whenever he doesn't like what happened. Silvio explained it perfectly. Tony had no connection to that girl but in his mind he is in the right if he thinks the action should be punished. He killed Ralph over a dead horse. Decides to kill his nephew because he looks over and sees a child seat in the car and convinces himself that the kid is going to end up dead someday.
Ralph is a piece of shit but Tony just deciding that he can compulsively mete out justice whenever he wants just goes to show how unstable he is.
He thinks that he is above the mob code he swore to uphold while constantly telling others how important it is to respect tradition.
He breaks more rules than the catholic church
chaosdecides i see what you mean. They try to show Tony as “noble” for being a vigilante and fighting for higher justice
I think in Christopher’s case, Tony used the car seat as extra justification for killing him. Christopher saying he’d never pass a drug test after the accident made Tony finally realize that Christopher was a real threat to flip if he got arrested.
@@gareginasatryan6761 dont u remember they would always poingt out that sociopaths showed great empathy towards chikdren and animals because they thinkg they should. But yet he always wants to bash his sons face in.
1) saying justice about an inherently unjust organization is a bridge too far.
2) they all are murdering scumbags, ralphie is just the most dislikeable of the bunch.
3) ralphie needed to be taken out with his loose cannon attitude.
4) silvio is right on the rules
5) Tony has to thread the needle with this ralphie situation
6) ralphie was sticking to Tony every chance he got.
This scene illustrates the pure evil that is Omerta. A 'made guy' like Ralph can bash the brains in of an innocent civilian and he gets away with it.
It rarely happens. And if it happens repeatedly they can have it put to an end as it would eventually attract unwanted attention from the officials.
+manco82 I totally agree. Silvio's a great consigliere, but the laws of the mafia suck.
Tommy Desimmone learned the hard way about going around killing people. Regardless of what he did to billy batts he was also killing civilians which pisses the Police and Feds off. Thats bad for business and the Cops and Feds are the real mafia if they wanna destroy their business they Can and will.
Like in the Wire when Mcnulty said why can't they just sell the shit and move on. Its the bodies, the bodies is what attracts law enforcement. We always think its the drugs, prostitution, gambling, extortion. Its the bodies that hit the cops radar.
manco82 in real life Ralph would of been clipped. You can’t kill anyone without the boss’s okay.
Scorsese says that great films/shows are the sum of their "moments" - every scene in the Sopranos is a "moment."
Honestly I respected the was Silvio thought things out. He was always the quiet one and was always the one to think things through before any major moves were made.
Yep. Take his cup of coffee and newspaper into the shitter and mull on things. Lol.
He had no empathy for her he’s evil
Anyone with a Silvio beside them can never go wrong in life. The dude smart.
Joe Pesci would have made a brilliant Ralph!!
+Lee Miller More like a Richie.
ray liotta was offered the role of ralph, wich i think he would of killed that role for damn sure
+Austin McMahon I think Pesci would not have been as good as Ralph. Too many people find it too funny to mimic him. Richie was so dark, Pesci would have made people see Tony Spilotro.
I don't think so. He wouldn't have been so sarcastic and frustrating.
Always thought Pesci should've guest starred as that retired cop that Chrissy whacked in the season 4 opener. Would've been great cosmic irony considering their history
The Sopranos had some major flaws (call it artistic license if you like), the biggest one being how casually and openly people were shot and/or murdered, like Hollywood depictions of the Wild West. That links in with the issue with Ralphie. In the Sopranos world, Ralphie killing a beautiful young stripper who was an employee of the Bing and doing so outside the club which is on one of the busiest highways in New Jersey, and doing so during a mob party where Ralphie comes back in after beating her to death and puts his hand in ice; that is no big deal, maybe the equivalent of auto theft in the real world, and the real culprit is Tony for hitting him for it. But IRL mob world of 2000 or whenever this was filmed, what Ralphie did was all kinds of insane and a danger to all operations. There are so many ways that this could turn out badly. For starters, the other strippers at the party could have started talking to the police or at least leave the Bing if they didn't feel safe there. The police would have been all over this, a beautiful young woman who was pregnant and who they may have known was involved with Ralphie disappears. Just the type of thing to sway a jury.
That's why Tony reacted the way he did. And it was also a commentary on the fact that this girl, like so many people, was basically alone in life. She didn't have anyone to raise a fuss about it, and forget the strippers ratting to the cops. You kidding? They know how things work.
bearcat648This would've been a MAJORPROBLEM in reality!Killing not only a woman but an employee at a connected spot!He might've been whacked over this but had strong early with Sack.The point is a civilian was beaten to death there with a bunch of made guys present!Psycho time bomb .Tax him big let him earn with another borgata then whack him while another guy learns the ropes of Ralphies businesses. Whaddya think?
Lol Ralph being “barred” from the Bing. I could see his picture up by the door saying “Banned From Premises”
Lmfao
Biggest question on the show. Why would Ralph sit on the same side as Vito? Surely there was a lot more room on Eugene’s side.
Vito's mouth watered with that drumstick line 😂😂
Silvio expressed private frustrations at times like with Livias funeral, but he really was a clear cut right hand man. Assessed and validate some feelings of Tony, then gave clear objective advice based on the set of rules dictated by the game. He did the same thing when Tony was prideful with New York and Vito. Told him what he needed, then when dismissed, asked if he needed anything else and left.
All business.
Gene's reaction when ralphie tells him he was going to Tony's from Thanksgiving is hilarious to me...at the end. Like a child
Silvio is always the most level headed and politically sound. Fucking love his character. He make look like a greaseball but he’s a fucking tactical genius.
Even Silvio who had a daughter, couldn't understand why Tony would want to kill ralphi for Tracy
I love how Ralphie is willing to concede that if he beat Tony’s daughter to death, he may have a legitimate beef
I loved Silvio. He was the voice of reason kind of like Tom Hagen in The Godfather Movies. Isn't it amazing how Steven Van Zandt, and Michelle reinvented themselves from being Rock Legends to TV Actors/Actresses. In The UK a lot of former Members of Boy Bands/Girl Groups reinvent themselves on Soap Operas and do very well.
cant believe hes really gone, godspeed Mr Gandolfini
Ralph was talking rubbish, if he had killed his daughter or niece he would have got tortured for weeks and brutally murdered, and so was Eugene saying that the same thing happened to a guy that got smacked around, by the sounds of it he didn't get killed though did he? Ralph murdered a young pregnant women, and forget what she does for a living, she worked for Silvio and it happened outside of his business. Tony's stance was correct.
yeah, I never understand the direction they took this that Tony was in any way at fault. Maybe by some rulebook somewhere, but these guys break those rules all the time. Ralphie killed a young pregnant girl who worked for Silvio at a business that was a central meeting place for the family. He even did it outside, and if you know the location of the "Bing" on Rte 17, that's just crazy. Ralphie getting beat up a little was easier than him getting taxed.
Yep Tonys, stance was correct, he killed a young pregnant girl. Who was working for an entity that contributed to the New Jersey family's revenue, Ralph was wrong on this one.
5eurocups2005- I agreed with you here, but this scene depicts how hard core Organized Crime really is, Tony "he bashed the poor girl's brains in"; Silvio's response to paraphrase "the fact is Tony she is not related to us by blood or marriage, she was not your goo-mar, and he's a made man; all things considered he's got a legitimate beef. Make him disappear or make nice, you only got two choices". And Silvio was considered the reasonable one.
Yeah this show was brilliant on so many levels. David Chase did not glamorize the characters on the show, and you can see the ugliness come out on quite a few of them, the one that stands out the most for me but seems to have gone unnoticed was Paulie's murdering of the old woman so he could steal her money just to impress Tony with a fatter envelope.
The way each of those scenarios are presented it was like just an afterthought to them. Ralphie just happen to "appear" like he was a loose cannon who exposed his ugliness out in t he open. What he did punching a pregnant woman in her stomach and pummeling her to death wasn't even their main concern in this conversation; Ralphies a good earner, Ralphies a made man OR to rebuttal; Ralphie disrespected the Bing, Ralphie turned Tony down for a drink. Even Johny Sac weighed in later on by telling Tony; "She was a whore !" in defense of Ralphie but later wants Ralphie whacked because the remark he made about his Wife. Because he couldn't get that hit sanctioned Johhny Sac even laments where's the honor? It's all about money?
Meanwhile that poor woman who was punched in the stomach by Ralphie knowing she was pregnant was a mere after thought to their rules as Silvio pointed out, and in this scene Tony veered off the page of the Mafia's credo, a credo these parasites live by. But that's why this show was brilliant on so many levels, it was never always black and white and did not glamorize who they really were, all while showing the human side of their nature, even in Ralphie's case when his son was in the Hospital.
Wise guy-"Well they kinda have to be like that for their business to run smoothly. In their line of work people get hurt all the time so they can't pick and choose when to have a conscious", that's one of the reasons why the show was brilliant, because it did show the darker side and how despicable they can be; they would do anything to turn a buck. Most shows of this genre glamorized what they do one way or the other, even movies like the Godfather and Goodfellas never really get into the ugly side of what they do with such detail; (the horses head in a bed doesn't count because they don't show how innocent everyday citizens get brutalized), and I think that's why so many people like the Sopranos, most of the characters were well developed and we got to see all sides of their characters, it was way more realistic.
If Silvio was so disrespected by it, then why did he say in this very scene that Ralph had a legitimate beef? He disrespected the Bing but he still shouldn't have been touched.
The way vito turns at the end when Ralph mentions ass haha
Imagine living in a world where bashing an innocent girl to death means nothing. Animals
Silvio was really old school.He's the only one that would actually fit in the Godfather.Suits,smooth talker and always calm.
I love how at the end when Ralph says "I ought to shove a drumstick up his ass" Vito looks over to him like he would want some of that.
Oh! He’s a fucking captain now. You don’t talk to him that way!
Ralphie disrespected the Bing, Jackie Jr. disrespected the pizza parlor.
Famous last words for Ralphie. Over confidence.
Really caught Vito’s attention with the drumstick up the ass comment
Lmfao! I paused after Ralph made that drumstick remark & saw this comment went back & you're right looks like he's smiling about it lol
This show has soooo many awesome moments.
2:57 - notice how the drumstick remark got Vito’s attention. 😂😂😂😂😂
Congrats! You made the most obvious joke ever.
I cannot get over Ralphie sitting next to Vito instead of Gene. The man is half off the booth lol.
It was a beautiful thing to watch Silvio’s brain work, he was in his element with that world
“A drumstick up his ass”
And Vito looks at him with interest
I wish they did more with "that guy from North Bergen" that got smacked around. He was my favorite character on the show.
Who's that?
@@mikebgood 2:04
sil was the best consiglieri
"Absolutely fucking not"... that's how you demonstrate your opposition to a proposal when you're Tony Soprano... love it..
0:11 I love that Tony's face; "I'm fucking angry but I also know you have a point right here"
Eugenes high pitched "really?!" at 2.53 cracks me up