Angel 3x06 Billy Reaction
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- Angel 3x06 Billy Reaction
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Angel's friends are affected by a man with the power to make other men brutalize women.
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One of the best episodes of the entire series!
It was SO well done and genuinely scary!
@@julesreacts Can You React Some Horror Slasher Movies Like “Scream” “Halloween” “Child’s Play” And “Evil Dead” And Also “Zombieland”
I totally agree. 10/10
You can see both how strong Wesley is and how fundamentally good of a person he is as he grapples with the aftermath here.
Angel's explanation for why he wasn't affected confirms what made Angelus different from most other vampires, possibly unique. He killed because he took genuine pleasure in inflicting pain. In short, a true sadist.
This is a FANTASTIC episode. FANTASTIC. Cordy's speeches, Lilah coming thru, Wesley throughout. Beautiful beautiful writing.
Stephanie Romanov says the ending to this episode was one of her "favorite Lilah moments. It was the only time Lilah was a hero
On the DVD Commentary, the writers explain Billy's backstory: his father raped a "good" demon, and the result was Billy.
Damn, how bad you have to be to be involved in a rape situation with a demon and you're the perpetrator, holy shit.
I like to think Alexis Denisof had a good shudder
every time they yelled 'Cut!' after each Wes-ogony scene
(and probably Amy Acker as well).
I can't count the number of times I've watched Angel all the way through. This episode always makes me uncomfortable, and of course, that was the point of it.
Gotta say. Billy's power feel very X-Files rather than the vampire and demon universe of Buffy. Never thought about it before now.
Looking very lovely today Mrs Juliette ! Have a wonderful day
I wonder how much of the "misogyny effect" stems from Billy rather than who he touches.
Lovely reaction, as always! Hope you have a wonderful week!! ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
So, you should know that - in the States, at least - November is National Domestic Violence Awareness month. This episode originally aired in November of 2001 with the purpose of making people aware of domestic violence. At the end of it's original airing, they actually posted domestic violence hotlines and shelter information.
As difficult as this episode is to watch, it served a greater, more noble purpose.
Wow, I'm so glad they did that 💜
I think Billy was one of the best episodes of the Season with a disturbing storyline. Billy's ability to influence men to harm women for his voyeuristic addiction illustrates us how dark this show can be. A great conversation with Lilah and Cordelia in an almost 'bitch off' both giving as good as they get with snappy dialogue. It's so disturbing to watch when the gentle Wesley is under Billy's influence and his aggression towards Fred. When Gunn realises as well that he could be affected it's a great scene as he tries to fight the influence. A super scene too when Lilah shoots Billy at the end. Cordelia and Angel's conversation very telling at the end of the episode, as is Fred's conversation with Wesley, who of course has been deeply affected by this. Even though a stand alone episode, some brilliant character development here.
As usual, Killian, that's a perfect writeup/review! :)
This one was good, very disturbing. Tough arc for Wesley. Great opportunity for Alex Denisof.
I like how quickly his cousins give Billy up.
Billy must be a right pain in the butt 😅
@@julesreacts Not a good man. I do appreciate them intermixing some shorter stories that get resolved quickly. Here's a very bad half demon who got finished off in two stories.
Jules, have you ever seen BBC's "Sharpe" starring the enigmatic Sean Bean? Alexis Denisof (Wesley) plays a minor character. I was sure he was british for such a long time because of that.
One of the most disturbing episodes of the whole series. Dark Wesley is terrifying which makes his self doubt at the end even sadder. And Cordy's scenes with Lilah are brilliant.
I loved it, too! Dark Wesley is PURE HORROR
WINNIFRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEDDDDDDD!!!!!
This is a great episode because of the darker nature of the storyline. It really hit the themes out of the park, and Billy himself got exactly what he deserved.
I wonder if Angel caring about Cordelia would have extended to letting Billy out if he knew what Billy did and was like. He said he'd do it again, but I sometimes wonder, because even when he said that he didn't know the full extent of Billy's powers and, for use of a better word, issues.
The PTB's are willing to let innocent people die (by waiting on the vision until a week later) to punish the group for releasing him. This is why they're seen as the AtS version of The Watcher's Council.
Hi Juliette! I know you are watching a lot of shows now, but in case you have a free slot in the future, you should definitely react to Mr. Robot! It is one of a kind show that will leave a HUGE impact on you. For me and for a lot of people it was life changing. I don't know if people have recommended it, but I definitely recommend it! :) If it is included in a patreon poll I will be there to vote for it! :)
Ahh thank you! I'm not doing any more reactions right now, but I'll try and keep it in mind!
Go back and watch Wes and Cordy "kissing" on Buffy S3E22, then you'll understand the 'saliva' reference.
Haha true!
About 10 years ago, Alexis Denisof were on an MTV drama series called Finding Carter. I remember people in the forums complaining about how bad his fake American accent was and I thought that was funny since it's his real one lol.
Yes!! I still haven't heard his real accent haha
This episode of Angel was a really good one but it was a little more
serious than the others with this Billy character who i didn't like
but still a good episode though, have a great weekend Juliette
oh my birthday is on the 14th of October pray for me I'll be 60😁
thank you my friend.👻🎃🇦🇺
I found the two black eyes joke to be really dumb, yet I always laugh at "Would you like to hear my theory, Fred? It's about how stupid you are."
There's a certain aspect of the joke that makes me feel like it's maybe a joke he's heard his father tell (it feels like it's from the previous generation), although from what we know about the Watcher's Council, it could always have been heard from them.
It’s a terrible joke that I remember hearing quite a bit in the 90’s.
"But you also forgot I like to build things."
As far as cordelia's speech....yes and no🤔 I agree that no person who has the mantle of "vicious b****" would tolerate that.
Yeah at the same time most of those who have earned that mantle have been through something like that, and they earned that mantle after they survived it 🤷♀️
Difficult to watch but also a great one IMO. In both shows I think the most disturbing episodes are often those where the SF&F metaphorical lens is thinnest, where it's basically the worst elements of our world only _barely_ disguised by genre constructs and this is definitely one of those.
Alexis Denisof really is extraordinary in this episode. He's so scary yes, but he just kills me in that last scene. "I don't know what kind of man I am anymore."
POOR WES!!! I really do like him a lot.
Loved this reaction❤
Thank you!!
Jules shrinks back when she realizes Wesley is going dark. It’s kind of hard not to.
He plays SUCH a good bad guy!!
I think this is the beginning of the "Wesley Wyndam-Pryce being my favorite character in anything ever" arc.
There isn't always a why.
...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Michael Caine, TDK
One of my favorite movie quotations!
1:18 😬But he seemed so nice in the series Lost😵😬
Great episode thanks so much Juliette🥰
BAHAHA! Yes, he did! I've only seen two seasons of Lost and then I got a bit Lost haha. I need to watch it again, it was really good!
@@julesreactsthe end of Lost was divisive. If you watch to have all the mysteries answered, you'll be disappointed. If you watch for the relationships between the characters, the ending is satisfying.
Yes, Wes's accent is not the actor's accent. Alexis Denisov is American.
Fun fact- He's married to Alyson Hannigan aka Willow.
Angel ❤
If anyone watches Brandon Tendold's Cult Movie Reviews on youtube Billy looks identical haha
Happy Tuesday, Jules! 💜
“So ready to watch this next episode…” - maybe not quite.
It is good to see Cordelia wanting to take time and improve her offense/defense skills. Taking control of her own life. I too liked these training scenes between the two, and Cordelia, in a true to herself manner, “What if it turned out you were the guy I had to fight?” And Angel - yeah, okay, carry on. 🤭
1:18 - a jump scare - and a big eye opener, all in one. 😱
6:15 - Oh, Wesley - years of field work and yet, still… “… still wet…” 🫣 But you were right on it, as usual Jules! Well noticed! They needed you on the team 😅- You, Cordelia, and Fred? A force to be reckoned with! 🙌
Several great bits of dialogue in this one, but the best was the face off between Lilah and Cordelia, and I have to say, Lilah? As nasty and rough as she is, she is no match for Cordelia.
Angel, melodramatic and noble - in the same episode. 😂
And Gunn? Evidently learned little in the Fredless episode, playing around with the leaking demon head, and this time, just coming in and poking the fresh demon blood, which Wesley, and Fred had been examining.
“It’s not the pain. It’s the helplessness.” Absolutely true. Physical pain can be hard to remember, difficult to recall, once it’s gone, but helplessness is a forever memory, and it is very powerful. Helplessness is devastating, and can haunt you.
This is truly a great view of 3 totally different characters, each facing a debilitating memory - Cordelia, Fred, and Lilah. We see them each take control of their fate. Fred has recovered her wits and confidence, and used both. Cordelia pushes Angel to teach her how to protect her self reliance, and Lilah, as it turns out, isn’t like Lindsey, but does indeed find she has her limits.
And Angel, with Cordelia, at 15:39, when Angel says, “ … hatred and anger? That’s something I lost a long time ago… “ And something he never had, evidently. All his years of brooding has been a boon to him, in facing himself; seeing things as they are.
The opening and closing scenes with Angel and Cordelia were nice, sort of serenity book ending the ugliness of the main story. A well put together episode. 🥰
I hope you are having a very fine Tuesday, Jules.💜🤗💜 It looks like it could still be briskly breezy around you, maybe a cookie, or two, and some coffee inside this afternoon.
It was whatever’s in the frig, for dinner here this evening. Turned out pretty good. Still raining here. I had a weather warning pop-up today - alert for funnels, randomly dropping from the skies, but likely not touching the ground. I didn’t see any, and the threat didn’t keep my little buddy from stopping by, during the video, and later, near dark. So all is well. 😜
As I hope it is for you this day. 😉😊
Tom 🤗💜 I have been really admiring Wesley this season! He's such an interesting character, so clever, and TERRIFYING 🤣 He is the last character I thought we'd have to be scared of! He's right up there with Angelus now haha. Thankfully, it was only temporary... Yikes! I feel so bad for the poor guy. He really is a gentle soul.
Very wonderful insights, as usual, Tom! You may even rival our Wes when it comes to intelligence and a way with words.
Ah, so you had a "girl dinner" 😜 they are one of my favourites! A bunch of random things, maybe some bread or cheese, nothing too hectic. I used to call them "easy dinners" until Girl Dinner made its way around social media. I might have one of those on Friday night! Sounds good to me! So do the cookies hehe! Alas, I have none. Yes, we are having similar sort of overcast/rainy weather, Tom! I'm back to wearing my sweatpants during the day and wondering where summer went. But it's lovely and cozy so I won't complain. Enjoy your evening, dear Tom. Keep an eye out for your buddy, and mine is still clinging to the nest 🤗💜
Alexis denisof really outshines the rest of the cast this season with some of the best acting I've ever seen in a tv show
He really has some outstanding moments from what I've seen!
@julesreacts we haven't even got to his best yet from about episode 15 or 16 onwards him and David do some of their best work
"I hate this"..... general reaction to this episode 😠😟
Wes plays the bad guy so well 😭😭
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At first watch i did not like this episode at all, but nowadays I recognize its brilliance. It's another case of Angel taking on and personalizing these really dark subjects.
As much as I love Jin from Lost, Gavin is no Lindsay...😢
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Aside from Doyle, Wesley is my favorite.
This is such a hard episode to watch, but there's no denying that it's well-written and well-executed. The fact that it makes me feel so uncomfortable is a sign of how good it is. I'm so glad that Cordy, Lilah and Fred all come out on top though, especially Lilah.
Angel's arcs definitely aren't as rigid as Buffy's, with storylines overlapping and not necessarily starting and stopping with the beginning and end of the seasons. Coincidentally though, I believe some of this season's plot threads are about to kick into gear.
Sorry you had to endure the unpleasantness of this episode Jules, but I'm glad you enjoyed it. Here's to happier adventures in the future.
Can you imagine Angel S3 Cordy showing up in S6 BtVS for an episode? Buffy and the OG Scoobies would hardly recognize her. She's grown so much.
I realise now why everyone seemed to love Cordy in the early Buffy days and I just did NOT know why 😅 She's wonderful!!
I've seen that certain Angel fans over the years who hate men consider this their favorite episode, because it seems to imply that all males have this subconscious urge to bash women. Lilah explicitly states it. But this is false, as evidenced by Angel. Angel had no such tendencies that could be brought out, which was the most subversive element in an otherwise man hating narrative, as interpreted by Lilah. Joss loves subverting narratives from both sides of the political spectrum. Just when you think it's all men, Angel proves that it's not. That's something certain haters don't like, but oh well.
Also Gun seems to hold up pretty well at first
I mean this episode was written by two men. Also, to call it a "man hating narrative" is short-sighted at best.
And the reason it doesn't work on Angel is because he's a vampire, as stated in the episode.
@@Crinbo Nowhere does it say that that's the reason it doesn't work. In fact, Angel explains to Cordy why it didn't work later on, when he says he never hated women or his victims. Billy just said that he never did this on a vampire before, but to say that that's the reason it didn't work is speculation. Also, as I said, the man-hating narrative was provided by Lilah, and by certain bigoted fans, which, I agree, are short sighted.
Are you done with The X-Files? It's been a month... 🤔
She has answered this at various times in the comment streams. Her load was unmaintainable, with 4 weekly shows simultaneously. They were taking a heavy toll on her time, health - physical/mental, and day-to-day, so she dropped, for now, the one which was experiencing the lowest views. She still maintains an interest in X-File episodes, but currently just doesn't have the time.
She commented on the previous Buffy episode that she's taking a break from it. It's gotta be difficult trying to keep up with and edit 4 different TV shows at once, plus her gaming channel.
Tom, thank you 💜
It totally is a bit hectic at times 🤐
Since I don't believe that men are born with misogyny, this episode means that's just who Wesley is. Yet another reason for me to dislike him.
Angel on the other hand is totally free of such tendencies. It makes me like him a little more =)
Everyone has darkness within their subconscious that even they themselves are not aware of. If yours were on full display, you might not be so judgmental. Certain dark parts within the deepest and most buried aspects of his psyche doesn't mean that that's "just who he is," while denying all the other contrary parts that are more conscious than not, unless you want to be incredibly reductive. Fred showed him mercy at the very end due to recognizing that he is, at heart, a good man who was shocked by what he found inside him, because she is a mature person who believes in compassion.
@@davidmeadows5627 Wow, you really don't know how read, even when I used only a couple of short sentences XD
@@Emburbujada You said that this is just who Wesley is, which is why you dislike him. True or false? My entire response was an explanation why you're mistaken (it's NOT who he is). Maybe take some reading lessons yourself. XD
@@Emburbujada By the way, I take back what I said about your own darkness being subconscious too. Yours IS fully conscious and on full display. XD
I feel this has dated quite badly. I appreciate what they were going for but to have our protagonists and other characters making misogynistic jokes and comments while we see several female characters beaten and even killed is not a good look. If this episode was made today it would tell the same story but without the voyeurism and cruelty. Might be less hard-hitting (no pun intended) but would be a better watch.
Work and no play makes Wesley a dull boy. 🪓
HAH! Yes, it appears so hehe
@@julesreacts it’s October, so it’s the perfect time for me to make that reference.
This is such a hard episode to watch, but there's no denying that it's well-written and well-executed. The fact that it makes me feel so uncomfortable is a sign of how good it is. I'm so glad that Cordy, Lilah and Fred all come out on top though, especially Lilah.
Angel's arcs definitely aren't as rigid as Buffy's, with storylines overlapping and not necessarily starting and stopping with the beginning and end of the seasons. Coincidentally though, I believe some of this season's plot threads are about to kick into gear.
Sorry you had to endure the unpleasantness of this episode Jules, but I'm glad you enjoyed it. Here's to happier adventures in the future.