Hollywood STARLET found DEAD in her GARAGE!
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- Accident or MURDER?! Actress Thelma Todd The Ice Cream Blonde was found DEAD in her limousine, inside her garage. She asphyxiated. Was it her GANGSTER Boyfriend Lucky Luciano? or the Jealous WIFE of her LOVER? Accidental Death? Or MURDER!
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I trekked those steps in 2012 maybe... and when I got up to the garage ( it was painted dark brown) and it opened. A lady stepped out looked at me and said " Thelma Todd?" I said Yeah. "Yep this is where it happened"
Thelma Todd is buried about 30 minutes from my house in Lawrence, MA. I have visited her grave a few times over the years. Beautiful woman and a sad and disturbing ending.
That is so awesome that not only is the place still there, but the current owners were so generous. Coolest ever!
Something fishy about that death. Sounds like she was beat up and placed in the car.
Yes well said! I was thinking the exact same thing. The mobster guy in the video looked evil to me.
Thanks Scott
sounds to me she got drunk and fell.. the shoe wear etc indicates walking dragging etc..
The problem is...there was lots of corruption going on with the LA Law enforcement, and also with the coroners of that time period!..The corruption included Mafia types, bribes and payoffs, etc. Where there is money, there frequently is corruption. In the case of LA, there was corruption between the Hollywood moguls, and the cops. That sort of thing likely is still happening, in a more sophisticated way, even now!..So yeah, we might never know just how/why Thelma died under such dire circumstances. She liked to play with fire, and maybe got burned. Sad, because she certainly had a few more good years of being a mid-level Star. Back then, women were usually cast aside by the time they hit 35 or so.
..and then the person(s) who beat her started the car and left?..She wasn't beat to death..Why wasn't the car running and also had 2 gallons of gas left?..so..somebody went back and shut off the car after she died?
In the early 90’s I read Hot Toddy and became obsessed with Thelma and her death. I grew up in Santa Monica and knew of the Sidewalk Cafe. I had to see it all for myself. It was so much harder to find the set of garages. A local homeowner told me that mudslides cut through the hillside decades ago and wiped out the road that used to take you directly to the garages. She gave me directions to locate Thelma’s garage and I eventually found it. With book in hand I sat leaning against the garage door and read the account of her last hours. The sun was starting to go down. I stood up to leave and an older man appeared in the windows above the garage and was yelling at me although I could not hear anything from outside. He was clearly very angry. It scared me enough I left embarrassed that I had clearly trespassed and pissed off the occupant. Back at the neighbors home I thanked them for getting me the right directions and told them what happened. I was then told that nobody lives above the garages, those spaces are storage rooms only, and that nobody would be tall enough to be seen in those windows. She believed I saw Roland Wests ghost and that locals believe those properties to be haunted. I’ve never forgotten Thelma’s sad fate. I do not believe for a second that she died in that car. She was dumped there.
I read her autobiography years ago as well. I’ve always believed she was murdered .
Thanks for sharing. That’s amazing you probably did see him. I wonder why he’s still there and so angry. All I know for sure is she didn’t kill herself or die on accident in that car. Nothing adds up to either of those conclusions, and her case should be reopened
Thelma was castes in Arthur 2 on the rocks starring Dudley Roger Moore and Ishtar and Grum with Glen Tennis. Nobody should be interested her insignificant acting
My grandmother was a big fan and she remembered when it happened.
@@franklubbock8400 don't plan to fart ?
Watching from West Yorkshire, I just love vintage Hollywood. Thelma Todd is one of my favourite actors along with Clara Bow (especially their fight scene in Call Her Savage) Thelma's untimely suspicious death has never sat right with me.
My daughter loves all these old actors. She took me to see her house. But I had no idea she was that bad off wheh she died. I thought she had a bruise as though she may have fallen down. I had no idea she had a broken nose and a filling flew out of her mouth. That sounds like somebody who was beat up and murdered. I wonder who it was. If those walls could talk. Poor thing she was so young too 😞
I just watched HORSE FEATHERS on TCM. I’m a total MARX BROTHERS addict.
Thelma Todd was only 24 in that movie. She was so beautiful and her scenes with any of The Brothers were funny, she kept up with them well. So very sad that a young, beautiful talented actress would die at such a young age.
Check her out in Monkey Business with the brothers. I love Horse Feathers but I've come to find Monkey Business is even funnier.
Why?🤮
Love the Marx Brothers too!
So did I
@@gregofthelake Yes, I’ve seen MONKEY BUSINESS. But it’s been awhile and I wasn’t aware of Thelma Todd’s story at the time. I’ll watch it again and concentrate on her more. I’m always too focused on Chico’s delivery of lines.
Only Thelma knows what truly happened that night 😢 RIP Thelma Todd 🙏🏻🌹🕊️❤
The person(s) who did it also know
Agreed.
I do wonder if the chauffer was paid-off, or silenced in some way, in order to not spoil a possible cover-up. He must have had at least a little knowledge as to her movements.
I particularly enjoy your old Hollywood videos. I grew up in LA in the seventies and the elementary school I went to (McKinley) would play silent movies in the auditorium when the smog was bad and also when it rained. There's just something about the old Hollywood that's different to me. They were equally as human as they were celebrities and just a bit more relatable.
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Such an amazing story. I never knew Miss Todd was such a funny and talented person. May she rest in peace. Thank you for this, Scott
Love this. Old Hollywood stories are fascinating to me. Thank you to the ad agency for allowing you to film. Such a beautiful building. I think Thelma was murdered. So sad.
It’s also a reminder that Hollywood has ALWAYS had a dark side, even during the Golden Age. They were just better at covering it up during this time.
It’s incredible how unchanged the staircase and garage are. Same signage, same numbers from all those years ago.
I love it, when such places are essentially the same! Hollywood has a lot of stories to tell, and places that still look like they did, over a hundred years ago.
Her chauffeur’s car was not parked in that garage. Her personal car was parked there. She had driving restrictions because of drunk driving accidents
She was wild and beautiful. Thank you for telling her story! 😘
Look how she was dressed. Highly improbable that Thelma, dressed in a fur coat of that size, walked all those steps especially after drinking. Somebody put her there, turned on the car, and closed the garage door. Chances are it was someone she knew
No evidence for that. Her shoes were scuffed, contrary to myth.
She was obviously killed though, theres no way she broke her nose falling asleep @aaronz7056
@@BruceLee-fd7uw Her nose was not broken, heck even in the mortuary photos you can plainly see her nose was not broken. This is all crackpot conspiracy paranoia.
It’s so sad that her mom, her friends, and her coworkers never got closure on what actually happened her last night/morning alive.
She was sooo murdered.
I love the fact that they kept a lot of the remnants from back in the day the lamp the call box etc.
If she was drunk, I highly doubt she could climb all those stairs. My hunch is that she was murdered (but made it appear as suicide) by one of the 3 men you mentioned.
Hunches are not evidence.
Bingo. You are right. She didn't want a casino at the cafe, but after her death one was opened.
This video is fantastic. After seeing you show the walk she would have had to have taken - there is absolutely NO WAY she walked to the garage.
That was a very interesting story. Someone murdered her. There's no way she walked up all those stairs and had no wear on her shoes it's impossible.
Maybe she took her shoes off?
@@freakshowfilmfestival3591. That’s what I was thinking , too. Walking up that many stairs in heels would have hurt.
I am not ruling out murder.
But maybe another scenario: She passed out and hit her head on the steering wheel? 🤷
Takes more than that to break your nose. @@freakshowfilmfestival3591
@@freakshowfilmfestival3591 I wonder if her feet were examined and if so was it documented, surly if she took her shoes off she probably had on stockings they would be dirty or have holes or some kind of wear.
One of the Hollywood woman deaths that haunts me, along with Wood, Linkletter and Landis. I feel like I wish I could have been there for them. Great job as usual, Scott. Thanks.
When I was a little kid, I saw that building in 1962. I think it was closed and boarded up then. You could have probably purchased it for a song then.
12:36, love the yellow "Dead End" sign next to Thelmas car garage !
Sad how some people die. She seemed really nice. Giddy. Attractive too. Hopefully she is now in heaven. 🙏😔
Intriguing video. Based on her facial injuries and a dislodged filling/crown, I'm convinced, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that she was (first) rendered unconscious due to her head being brutally forced into the steering wheel. Whichever side of her jaw had the dislodged filling/crown is the side of her head that made direct contact with the steering wheel. Hot Toddie was _definitely_ murdered.
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Only damage to her was the cut lip. She passed out and fell forward on the steering wheel.
@@aaronz7056 I agree....Ibelieve that the other descriptions of her injuries were conflated, for whatever reasons.
Drove to the location of her cafe, and went around to the back on the hill. Just being there, close was a great experience! I love everything Old Hollywood. ❤❤❤
That building is beautiful. I've been inside. It's on Pacific Coast Highway and is across from Will Rogers beach.
Thanks for covering this.. sad story..✨️😢 🇺🇸
Great video, thanks Scott.....great that the building still stands but it looks very vanilla inside now after its latest gutting and renovating....its a shame some of the original light fittings and doors that were still there couldn't have been incorporated in the new look....the doors to Hoyo's were stunning.
That’s wonderful that they’ve kept that building in such great shape. I love the old California buildings. Such a sad ending for this talented beautiful woman. RIP❤. Scott, thanks for the great video.
There has to be so many ppl from this era, before and following whose death was probably not investigated like it should. Especially for women. Appreciate you covering Ms Thelma.
I would think she's would have taken her heels off to walk to all of those steps. I know I would've to get up there.
When I was young not only did I want to own grave Line Tours but I also wanted to own Thelma Todd's so I could open it up as an extravagant night spot just like it must have been back in the day
WOW!! Scott, you never disappoint!! This was flipping interesting. Too many players. I'd love to take a deeper look into this one for sure. Old Hollywood is an addiction of mine. Great job Scott!! As always 😊
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PS I'd have a heart attack climbing all those stairs!!😮
Beyond interesting, Scot. Loved it. Your friend Jordan done a similar story about Thelma Todd a while back. Both are a great watch .
Such a good story. RIP Thelma.
There was always a couple of things that didn't add up in this case. The broken nose and the bottom of the shoes not showing much wear. Makes me think there might have been foul play involved , like someone tried to cover up their involvement by placing her in car to make it look either accidental or suicide. Just my thoughts. We will never know.
Very odd
Agree. Lots don't add up. The food in her stomach which was not served at the party. She must have gone somewhere else and then driven to the garage, which was unlocked, despite West saying he had locked it without knowing she was inside. No mention of the actual cause of death. I suspect the chauffeur of the car had something to do with what happened to her, along with other prime suspects.
Problem is crackpot myths are being brought up here. In reality her nose was not broken, and her shoes indeed showed signs of scuffing.
@@aaronz7056Whatever your crackpot agenda is, no one is buying it. Away with you puppet. Sai Agh Shah es ta. You piss us off.
It would be good, to find out if her chauffer was interviewed about this sad situation!
Another old Hollywood mystery seems like Hollywood back then had a ton shady dealings and people I’ve always been fascinated with these kind of stories
They still do but it’s more hush
This story has always fascinated me
What an amazing property. Ms. Thelma seemed like a fun person. I was born in tte wrong era
The minute it said “garage”
I knew you were going to cover the death of Thelma Todd. As usual, such a great overview of her life and death. SO interesting, thanks for covering this!
SO many steps!!!!!! wow! No way she walked that
Right. Because no did. Ever.
@@kevinfoley8105she was drunk so it just seems less likely is all and then the west on her shoes didn’t match the wear of another lady and her heels
I love TMC, I’ve watched all of these old movies and I just love them. I’ll watch them all over and over and over again.😊
I had heard that the inn is haunted that late at night you can hear someone crying RIP Beautiful Lady 😢
Yeah word around the campfire is Thelma haunts the sidewalk Cafe 👻😳
@@imtheitchyouneedtoscratchIf it's haunted I doubt it is Thelma.
I read Hot Toddy when it first came out and have been intrigued ever since! I love old Hollywood, so I really appreciate this one!
My favorite Hollywood era!
I like how you tell the crime stories.
Make it so interesting.
So sad
Thelma Todd is one of my very favourite classic film actresses. Each time I see someone post about her and/or mention her in passing, I smile because it means she’s still adored and still relevant. I filmed a video about Thelma Todd’s tragic death with Heath over at Cereal at Midnight. I’d love for you to check it out! Again, thank you for this awesome new video about Thelma!
Amazing building but having a more or less highway in front of it would suck
Thanks! Scott ,for for all your excellent content an hard work you put into all these episodes
You are really kind! Thank you!
@@DearlyDepartedTours your welcome , Scott
Fascinating. Well done, as always.
I love the old Hollywood stuff so much. Great video Scott.
Wow!! I can't believe she was born in Lawrence Massachusetts. That's where I was born. She was absolutely beautiful and funny. What a sad story.
Thelma was a beautiful bubbly actress, yet another victim of her environment.
There’s definitely a mystery behind her death. R.I.P.
I totally 💯 agree with you, Scott… I’ve yet to view a corpse that looked well enough to sit up and talk.
My dad and brother did, sterling work by an experienced embalmer and make up artist. Not so much my mum. I’m sure that someone else worked on her or the employees had left. She still looked good enough to view, but not to sit up and talk. I was so stunned to see my dad that the word ‘Dad!’ In a bit of an exited voice just came out.
In my opinion ..i think the mob did the hit ..like Marilyn Monroe ..😢
Thelma Todd was a beautiful actress and her last role was in Laurel n Hardys 'The Bohemian Girl' which near the opening she sang a gypsy song. Unfortunately she failed to turn up the next day for filming which after time her untimely death was registered. Check out HOT TODDY movie with Loni Anderson playing the role. Have this book which is based on her and the investigation. Great reporting Scott! In Monkey Business Groucho says to her ,'You're a woman that's been getting nothing but dirty brakes, we can clean and tighten your brakes but you'll have to stay in the garage all night!' Eerie?
I believe that she was murdered. She had help up those steps. Then she was beaten up and to make it look like suicide the car was turned on to get enough carbon monoxide in her lungs. Makes me wonder if she ever kept a diary?
She was such a beauty I wish I could go back in time and see everything in real time!
Thelma Todd had an interesting life, she was certainly beautiful and talented, too bad she met the wrong type of men. Very sad that her life ended without knowing what really happened to her. I do believe she was murdered. Thank you, Scott for this interesting video.
What about her fondness for drugs and booze?
Really loved this video! Had heard about it for many years, but this is the first time I've seen
her sidewalk cafe - I didn't even know it was still standing. It was a huge thrill for me to see your marvelous footage, as well as your reading to us about her. Thanks so much for doing this great video!
Love all those Hollywood stories great video Scott!!!!
Such a sad ending to a pretty girl. I enjoyed watching all her movies. Very good presentation of her life!
I’ve seen videos of people going there, and showing the outside and parts of the inside, but yours is very detailed . I would’ve loved to seen what the café look like inside back in the day
She said what, to Lucky Luciano? Very silly/brave thing to say to The Godfather. 😲
I only became aware of Thelma Todd a few years back. Caught one of her Marx Brothers films (I think it was Horse Feathers) on TV while I was hospitalized. A good movie from what I caught. Terrible for her to die so young. Keep up the good work, Scott. I've been a fan of yours since I stumbled upon FAD years ago (Ennis Cosby was the one who led me there. Strange, I know). Happy very belated Happy New Year to you and Troy. ❤ from Illinois
Did those stairs just about kill you? What a beautiful place. The view is worth the climb. Thanks Scott. Hi Troy.
could you hear my wheezing?
@@DearlyDepartedToursno but I was wheezing just watching the ascent. How on earth could anyone climb those stairs drunk off their a-s?
That LA Time switch is worth some money. There use to be a Stop light somewhere nearby
I'm curious - what exactly is a time switch? Is it part of the traffic light system?
@@stevenmcghee6649 yes. Way back in the day
@@stevenmcghee6649 it changed the lights from Green, Red, Etc. at programmable timed intervals
I think it was an accident. A .13 BAL is nothing for someone that drinks on a regular basis. She probably wouldn't have even shown any signs of impairment at that level if she drank every day. More than likely, she had the car running in the garage, and as the carbon monoxide began to suffocate her, she felt tired and turned the car off. That didn't remove the carbon monoxide in the air, and she eventually passed out from a combination of carbon monoxide and alcohol, and died. With a five hour gap in between the time she arrived home and her death, she was likely very drunk when she first arrived home, and likely fell at some point when she was climbing the stairs and injured herself. With a .13 after five hours of abstinence, she was likely near the point of alcohol poisoning when she originally arrived home. That could certainly explain her injuries.
The LA coroner's office was plenty beholden to Hollywood moguls, etc. She deserved a more thorough autopsy than what she got.
Your analysis is the most likely thing, but she consorted with some nasty people, so speculation will always be around.
She without a doubt was murdered in my book. What a shame it's beyond the realm of proving any doubters including myself that this was indeed murder and no other acceptable theory is plausible . Takes more than a nod hitting a steering wheel to create the damage inflicted to her face . The whole investigation stinks. The investigators probably were on the take from lucky luchhyy 🤔🤔We will never know. Thanks for sharing this interesting short . I love the golden age of Hollywoodland movie stars . Amen for TCM❤
Exactly...poor girl
I can not imagine being drunk and going up all these steps and going all the way to the garage.
In heels, no less!
I’ve surprised myself with what I’ve done when drunk. When I was young I could run quite fast in heels. They were my second skin. Despite bad arthritis I still try to put them on when dressing up, although I get funny looks with heels and a walking cane. I do sometimes have to swap them for flat shoes but I get very annoyed at myself if I have to do that.
Plus it was cold and windy 😳😳😳
I passed the Thelma Todd Café about nine years ago when I was in California still look the same but of course there’s boards on the window and it was not in use at the time . I would love to see you some ghost team doing investigation in her old apartment. And see what’s caught her. and then go to the garage that she died in maybe someone can get some answers
What an amazing time period in Hollywood. Nice to see the house is 90% intact.
I'm so glad you did a video on Thelma,she really rocked the finger waves and pin curls,Jordan did a great video on her and the cafe a few years back,but you knew that.
I love watching her and zazu in the shorts together. Spunky from the little rascals was in a few of them. I found those a few years ago and you can see them on TH-cam.
How did she walk up those stairs in high heels?
Yes, plus the lady work of Hollywood, studios had history of covering up/ destroy evidence. Believe her boyfriend was involved.
Yes! She was probably also dressed in a long gown from the party the night before! Drunk, heels, gown and stairs, that's a recipe for disaster!
Scott, I recommend Michelle Morgan's book on Thelma Todd. It's very good. I've been there before and I felt an uneasiness surrounding that garage.
Just found Thelma a few years back and I love her
This is such a weird coincidence, not only did I just watch Horse Feathers recently, but I was listening to a podcast on her death today. Which was done by You Must Remember This, for its Dead Blondes series.
This has always been my most fav story❤
I remember driving by back in 1996, wondering what it had been. I live in Eastern Canada so far away from there
Jordan did the story and it bacame my most fav
Now Scott thank u for doing this again
“Just for me”❤
Very interesting, something happened other than what the autopsy said. Thank you for sharing
Absolutely a most interesting post, thank you for sharing this.
I love Thelma. She was amazing and beautiful. ❤
2:40 hysterical
A falsetto teeth
Too funny
Didn’t know she had an alcohol problem
She seemed like an extroverted personality
One of those mysteries
What a gorgeous timeless building
The tile work,
The view of the ocean!!!!
She came from mass.
The weather had to be really impressive in California
This was facinating Scott. Loved it. (Karen from Australia) 💗🐨🦘💗
I have known of this story for years but loved you bringing it to life by giving us a tour of the site. TY!
I think it was her ex-husband ordered by the mob to kill her . There’s no way she could’ve went up all those stairs if she was like intoxicated . maybe she was passed out already someone found her carried her all the way way up there and then killed her to make it look like an accident or suicide the truth is out there somewhere and it’s gonna stay a mystery. So sad.
this guy knows what he is talking about. Well done.
I saw a video that claimed, if I remember correctly, that Thelma climbed the first set of stairs to
the road at the back of the cafe. At the end of the road there was a trail crossing vacant land & meeting up with the road below the garages. Thelma, supposedly, walked up to them from there.
I learned this from a book about her. She was not seated behind the steering wheel, although her feet are to the left of the gearshift. She did not start the car herself. See at 14:09.
I have been a fan of Thelma since I read the book Hot Toddy back in 1989. Thanks for making this video. Thelma was so talented!
Great stuff. She was a really funny woman; I always love seeing her in anything. But I cringed a little a week or two ago hearing Groucho tell her "you'll have to spend the night in the garage".
Wow! Another great one from Scott! Thanks man. Keep up the great work
Another great video, you never disappoint!❤❤
I love Thelma's scene as Lady Plumtree with Stan Laurel as Agnes the maid in Another Fine Mess. Both of them are adorable.
I particularly enjoy your old Hollywood videos, and will never stop supporting or watching. Thanks for all you do!
17:50, iconic pose of Thelma next to the car inwhich she would be found dead in !!!!!! Life itself is surely full of "Who knew or ironic" moments isn't it !
Looking at the tight garage space I can see how it could have happened. So tragic. 🦋
Sidenote : a bloody nose can be part of asphyxiation
But what about her BROKEN nose and BRUISED LIP....!??? why didn't they ARREST SOMEONE !!!???
she was murdered and her society allowed it, obviously. she was truly the one who began it all.. in terms of an amazing comedic talent. I was watching one of the shorts.. it was being shown as footage during the monologue about her life. First time I" had laughed at anything for a long time. Butt the short made me see that it was this action that she had done, all those Hal Roach shorts that likely inspired Lucy and the other greats that came along later. She was so brilliant and I wish she had been given the opportunity to live out her lifetime. She lit up the world ffs.
Nope, just an unfortunate drunk who died by carbon monoxide poisoning.
@@kevinfoley8105Gosh tell us how you really feel.😂
@bonniebaltz5717 I just did. What, do you need someone to draw you a picture?
@@kevinfoley8105 Your sense of humor leaves a lot to be desired.Go away Mr.Personality.
@@kevinfoley8105 By the way we would all be interested to see your "picture" of a dead drunk in her car since you have such empathy.
So nice you went up the stairs for us! 😊 Thank you!
Thank You for doing this. I always felt it was Roland West. Have you seen Martin J. Wolf’s account of the events. Look him up, and see his perspective of the events that occurred during and after Thelma Todd’s Death. Gives a somewhat clearer picture…Thanks.
I had read somewhere (and I don’t remember where) that Roland West confessed on his death bed to friend and actor Chester Morris that he murdered her.
He did confess although I think he claimed he locked her in the garage to teach her a lesson - not meaning to Jill her. She may have kept the car in to stay warm and died as a result.
I think 2 men involved...so sad