@@abigailgarcia4655there are doctor’s reports documents from pediatricians. The judge would not allow it to be admissible. There is a federal law mandating doctors, care givers, case workers, they have to report abuse to the law enforcement or they can be charged themselves for neglect. 30 years ago nobody wanted to get involved. They had the medical records, the judge refused to allow them to be reported . Now the judge for be disbarred. No judge now would allow that kind of information being withheld.
A friend of mine had a basketball trading card with some random LA Lakers player on it but it was worth thousands because in the background of the picture were Eric and Lyle Menendez with court side seats…
My brother still has that card, its the Mark Jackson Knicks Hoops card from 1990, it was taken after the murders. Last time i checked the card is going for 5 grand or more. We used to collect all the complete packs of the sports cards from the late 80s early 90s
There's no real evidence that Lyle ever threatened the therapist Dr Oziel. According to the therapist what happened is that Erik ran out of the session crying and Lyle ran after him. Dr Oziel tried to get Lyle to come back rather than chasing Erik to which Lyle said to him "good luck Dr Oziel". Dr Oziel took this to mean a threat. Personally I think it's pretty evident from other evidence (other witnesses and the confession tape) that Oziel was not afraid of the brothers and just had to come up with an excuse at trial as to why he divulged patient secrets to his mistress.
That has NOT been proved that they were abused! They MURDERED THEIR PARENTS! LIED about it, and said the mob did it, then went on shopping sprees!! Planned the WHOLE thing! They were also 21 and 19 year old GROWN MEN! they were entitled brat psychopaths! Yall are sick!
Well the guy is right that everybody feels VERY different about this case: I can’t bend my mind that two children obliterated by S-abuse by their own father happened. I always say the mother would defend their children with her own life if she had only known that this was happening to them, BUT in fact, not only did she know and gaslighted the horrific acts against her children but she inflicted her own hand against those little souls as children. Now S-abuse is too MUCH if done more than ZERO TIMES, you’re mind tries to trick you that, ‘at least I hope it was not so often’, but not only was it often, several times weekly, but the U N T H I N K A B L E the level of brutality inhumane the youngest went through, I’m absolutely certain the child, both children soul and spirit were un-alive; shells of skin and bones walking bc they had to. You would think that the monsters kept their evil in the darkness hidden in the walls of their well to do life’s, but no, they treated them SAVAGELY with their hands, ignoring them and the vile sharpness of their mouths. What these two men went through as children you just can’t bring them back with all the money in the world. When those monster parents were no longer in this world it was the first time these two were free of the devil and his demon wife. I would be celebrating too that after making it alive do far those monsters were not going to get away and ki**ll the brothers after they confronted the father. The father sickness psychotic ways was not going to let these two ruin everything he built. Remember it was the 90s and no one talked about those things; grape and S-assault. Men were very shameful to admit such things. THOSE ARE FACTS. As far as I’m concerned those kids have served time for the criminal act of ki**ll**ing their parents. But in no way or shape do I believe they should stay in jail one more day.
21:37 Kitty filling out Erik's paperwork....so her husband could tell him exactly what courses he would be taking and what he would be doing after he graduated, also making him stay home several nights per week so he could still have access to S*xually ASS@ulting him. Sick sick weirdos. You are supposed to protect your children, not be complicit with the nightmare the man you chose to marry and stay with forces upon them. Plenty of people who were victims do not dare let the same (or worse) happen to their children.
Agree 100% with you. With Scott not being moved bc they were men tells me the ole men should be men attitude is totally misplaced on the Menendez bc they are men. Forget that not only was it S-abuse, but sadistic sick S-abuse by their own father… and they were boys that had just come out from being babies. But bc they are males they should have said something (they did), but louder. They should not feel threatened confronting a psychotic predator who would deal with rebellious people Jose saw as not humans. But bc they were men they are not allowed to protect themselves. They knew how evil and crazy Jose was enough to know he’d protect all he built and not lose it for the two boys-men Jose had no respect for and felt they owed him their body, mind, soul and spirit. But bc they were men these two young men at the time, just had come out of childhood, should be mentally well. It astonishes me that Scott mocks the Menendez for implying they kept quiet about the S-abuse, as if people that go through S-abuse, most, will NEVER speak about such a thing ever happening, ESPECIALLY bc it’s your FATHER. Not only was it the 90s where these things could not happen and beyond shameful, for the victim. The fact is that in today’s modern world people still keep it harden at all costs bc it’s just not a bearable thing to share. Look at Madeline Soto unalived by her mom’s boyfriend. Her evil mom STILL defends her boyfriend even after showing her video of that pig S-abusing her since she was a baby. According to Scott unsaid logic that people should say it, it’s a fact that kids just don’t. And Madeleine was a girl in our modern time. Yet two young men are still treated differently bc they are male. Sorry I ranted. Just, this guy Scott’s indifference to S-victims bc they are men is sickening to me.
The parents were trying to get their sons into college to get higher education and had the money to pay for the best... Jose wanted his sons to achieve in life (like he did)... but the lazy spoilt b rats preferred to burglarize wealthy homes, and when we're told that they are being written out of the will, mur dered the parents and got their hands on the inheritance (14 mil) and Jose's life insurance (650k).
He sees through it all.. can’t believe Kim kardashion took cooper there jail , now they want them free, NO . Never be another trial, even if you are Kardashians
@@KoalaBeer. luckily for the world, most of us do have empathy and have looked at the court trials, so we are in support of the men getting their sentencing changed to manslaughter. if we all just made snap decisions form a place of lack on empathy or understanding, or simply from a 'logical' view, the world would be a very bleak place. life isn't logical when you are raised by two sadistic and sociopathic parents. luckily for you though, you have access to all the information we do, and you are welcome to educate yourself on the psychological effects of trauma, especially childhood S/A by a family member. AND you can watch the expert testimony and all other accounts from family and teachers that show very clearly that the boys were abused horribly. but I assume you don't actually care because you've made up your mind on this matter. ahwell.
Not entirely Factual. It was presented making the parents be the victims of death. The entire story and facts of Jose Melendez was not included. Me personally, have not read in my life anything else sicker, disgusting, horrendous case as this one. A powerful, wealthy, and Sick father raping his two sons, a 14yr old singer related to RCA. Is mind blowing, the most disgusting, sick, lethal case ever.
@@arnaldoluisn1 LOL. Regardless of any theories you may have on motive, the parents were 100% "victims of death". Man, Tik Tok is really warping people's minds.
@arnaldoluisn1 So it is now okay to do this to your parents to commit premeditated murder if you're an abused child? It is not okay to murder people. These brothers were adults when they committed their crimes. They could have left as adults. They chose to stay there. I was SA by my parents and another family member. They are powerful people and very wealthy from shady businesses. I left everything behind and made my way in life. I still struggle with the mental and SA. It still doesn't give me an excuse to murder. You take it to court if you want. I chose to leave and never return, and yes, they sent people to track me down, but I will not return. My parents are very dangerous people. I still don't have the right or justification to murder them. That is what courts are for.
The part that seals it for me is the dude from Menudo and the cousin and sister of Kitty. SA child abuse very taboo back then. There was a lot of prejudice of the day that played into this case. I believe the stories about the parents, especially as told by others not the boys.
these two were abused but yet was so eager and willing to spend their abusers money, party, buy luxury things, open up businesses ect immediately after their death? that doesn’t make sense. Doesn’t seem like two boys who were abused, seems like 2 people thought they could use abuse as a way to get a lighter sentencing.
I have a lifetime of fascination with forensic studies and find these videos in particular (love all of your videos as well) extremely interesting. Thank you for your posts. I also wanted to say how sorry I am that you had to close your museum. I would have loved to visit it when I had the chance. Now medical issues would not have permitted it anyway so I really enjoy your videos. Thanks again.
Kitty's crime was she didn't protect her son's when she clearly knew what was going on. Imagine that happening in today's age where a mother neglected and turned a blind eye to her boys being molested. In fact this whole thing could have been avoided if she had acted like a mother and stood up to her husband. These boys felt no love or protection from either parent. Who were they supposed to turn to? Also, we all know they were molested, there is no if's or but's about it. People just like to make excuses only because the murders were such overkill.
they may have fabricated the whole thing.. they didnt kill in self defense. If they did they wouldnt have lied about it and went on a spending spree. YOU are all influenced by a made for tv movie about them and u probably think they are all cute and cried when they got separated into differnt prisons.
@@MyEnimeagree really, that recording of kid sounds cold. Here’s another theory , what if the brothers had incest and parents found out?, just saying. I mean they did act out on each other ..I get some feeling kitty and dad know more but arnt here to tell us.
This one was horrible. Both victims were wounded multiple times and incapacitated before the fatal wounds. Kitty had blood stains on the soles of her shoes showing she was walking through blood after the shooting had started. One wound on her arm shows she was standing, moving her body when she was hit, but putting a hand up to defend against a shotgun.... An FBI forensic expert said the crime scene indicated a highly emotional state with no actual planning. Large numbers of shots were fired, without apparent targets. The shooting ended with the fatal shots, all the other injuries and gunshot wounds were inflicted before death.
I agree. As a matter a fact all that money Scott said they spent (as if they had no right. Or as if they were thieves) could well be RESTITUTION money for the evil those monsters inflicted on them. I’ll even say that they were shopping, CELEBRATING because for the first time in their lives they were FREE of those monsters.
I agree with you, they are guilty of brutal murder, premeditated, tried to cover it up, acted like they were so sad they were gone, and went and spent a ton of money, living the good life....
Hi Jordan! Awesome story, Charles kuralt was one of My fave host's on cbs Sunday morning show, there was a genuine part of him that can be seen even just watching that show, he seemed like a good person. Thank you & take care. Oh yea that #21 was great as well😊
Hey Scott: I don't know if you read these, but I imagine you do. I was wondering if you could someday do a story on Jilly Rizzo's (Sinatra's right hand man) restaurant and bar there in Palm Springs. The building is still there, and the story is so weird and bizarre. And both Jilly and Frank are buried nearby.
im sorry but the brothers saying their mom was a mercy kill is just outrageous. they shot her more than their dad and shot her in the head last!!! the shots broke multiple bones in her body and she couldnt move. then went and reloaded and finally shot her in the head. i guess they wanted her watch one last time....... its terrible
Your summary is pretty superficial and, as you said, you already have your opinion. However, anyone who does a deep-dive on the facts of this case, including the horrific, sadistic sexual and psychological abuse of Erik in particular, and the grossly unjust 2nd trial, would have to agree that they’ve served enough time already for the killing of a criminal, serial, sadistic sexual predator of underage boys and his enabling, pill-popping, alcoholic shrew for a mother. I wonder how many more little boys they saved from the torture of the true Monster of this family, Jose’ Menendez.
The reason they thought they were going to be killed is Eric told Lyle that the abuse was still happening. He had tried to go to move out and Jose wouldn’t allow it because he was still raping his son. After Eric told him, Lyle confronted Jose and told him he had to stop. Jose told them that if anyone ever found out about what he did, then he would kill them. They then all went on a boat trip where Eric and Lyle thought that this is when they would be killed. The boat captain even talked about how scared the boys seemed during their trip. That’s when they made the plan. It wasn’t perfect and they should have gone to jail, but abuse screws with your brain. Not excusing killing them, but Jose and Kitty got what came to them so I have no sympathy for them. (Kitty was also horrifically abusive and was pretty well documented on that)
Exactly! Whenever anyone talks about this case they just focus on crime scene and repeat false and biased pro-prosecution claims that the brothers just wanted money. But they never mention the events that led to the murders or the abuse they suffered and all the evidence. So frustrating
This. I don't know why everyone ignores the boat trip they went on the day before. They were clearly afraid of the parents and the boat captain noticed it. The brothers were huddled up together at the front of the boat on a cold day wearing shorts out on the sea for 7 hours and they very rarely budged or moved even when they got soaked by a wave. Even the behaviour of the parents tells you something was going on. In years prior to this Jose was all over his children constantly, they were always in his sight and he ordered every single move they made. Yet for some reason on this boat trip he is ignoring them for some reason. It's evident that something was happening in the family and the brothers were afraid.
AMÉN. Their own words from prison are also very telling. They’ve never been a problem in jail, quite the contrary. I recall an interview done with Lyle where he stated that prison was the first time he was able to sleep or feel safe. They don’t do many interviews. I think Eric has only done a couple the whole time. It’s mostly Lyle, but even then he hasn’t done many. I can see why his people wrote what they did to Scott. I think the major difference between people that “get it,” and those that don’t is that the former have been abused themselves. I have, I even had enabling family members so I fully understand the hate and anger. I don’t condone murder, but fuck Jose and Kitty. Good riddance, these were shitty people. That’s very telling.
@@YourEverydaySheep this is big in the argument about the legitimacy of true fear in a home where they were raised by a tyrannical father, confirmed by everyone that came into contact with Jose, and a cruel, alcoholic mother that took out her aggression on them because she blamed THEM for her life. That tidbit about Kitty was stated in testimony by her therapist where he also stated that she hated Lyle and Eric. People raised in love and safety have no right arguing the legitimacy of the fear that a grown person has due to being raised by highly terrifying caretakers. Psychologists speak of the importance of a child’s formative years and how that shapes them neurologically.
@annmcclure8378 We actually do know a lot because over 50 people who knew the brothers and their parents came to testify for their defense. There was a lot of evidence of the parents abusive behaviours. For gods sake Kitty's own sister and nieces say they don't forgive her but they DO forgive the brothers.
I think they most likely were sexually abused. Jose was not a good guy even if they weren’t. And Kitty turned a blind eye. But I think it was about money also.
The prosecution was allowed to show evidence of the brothers spending post crime. Not sure why you're saying it wasn't allowed. Family members did refute it though as an uncle did have a conversation with Jose where Jose told him that he had told the brothers they were already out of the will. This is also brought up during the confession tape where Dr Oziel asks them how they felt about being told they had been disinherited many months prior to the killings to which they are both apathetic. So why kill to inherit money you don't think you'll be getting?
@@dianabeurman364 Getting money and spending it afterwards does not mean it was a motive for the crime and there's a lot of evidence which contradicts the money motive. If we simply looked at someone spending money afterwards as being indicative of a motive then why did the younger brother spend hardly anything in comparison to the older brother?
@@dianabeurman364 Seriously, how dense can you be?! If they weren't expecting money cuz they were out of the will, how does that show they did it for the money??
@BarbaraCowdery They did spend a lot of money, especially the older brother Lyle. However, they grew up very rich with the parents constantly buying expensive things (they lived in a Beverly Hills mansion at the time of the killings!) If you watch the trial & the testimony of the people who actually knew them, there was so much abuse & dysfunction in the home yet the parents valued material possessions & image above everything else. The family spent $ like water & it had no real value to them. The brothers were never taught to deal with their emotions in any positive way or manage money as that would show “weakness.” Lyle always has expensive spending habits, he even bought his first girlfriend in high school an expensive fur coat! So that’s how they grew up. People forget that retail therapy is a thing where people indulge in buying products similar to over indulgence in drugs or alcohol to get over a trauma.
Hi Scott… great video. My wife and I went on your tour in Hollywood back when you had one van and you were driving it. It was so good! I think that must have been mid to late 90’s? Any way, just a quick point regarding this video. When pellets (birdshot) are fired from a shotgun barrel, they stay in a very tight group (about an inch diameter) for several feet. They remain a very tight group of pellets. They are actually contained in a little plastic cup (wadding) that doesn’t separate from the shot for several feet. They don’t “spray” out of the front of the barrel (a common misconception). Actually, depending on the choke of the barrel, the spread is typically less than 1 inch per yard. So in this case, all the shot would have been grouped less than about 2 inches at most, causing devastating injuries as you describe. Thanks for what you do! Take care…
No one should judge these men based on society standards. When you are denied true love and affection from parents who should love you unconditionally can turn anyone into a desperate and detatched individual
You don't just do that kind of damage to the people who raise you and provide you with everything for no reason, there had to be a deep seated reason 💯 This is personal and it looks like a fight for your life, get them before they get me. I believe the Menendez Brothers, especially since they had never been violent their entire lives.
@ WRONG! Get your facts straight before you start spouting off. Lyle said the TV was on, and his dad was sitting there on the one end of the couch, but his mom was up moving around the room…they were not “sitting in front of the TV….and YES THE BOYS WERE IN DANGER of having some type of abusive shit happen to them anytime they were around either one of their “parents”, and I use that word very loosely! Attaching the label of “parents” to those two monsters is an absolute joke!!!
If I recall, his gunshot wound(s) were described as "explosive decapitation." When I read that description, it gave me shivers. I was a young active duty US Army Combat Medic and never forgot it. Years later, I got over it, but the level of trauma inflicted was so 'intimate' if not grotesque, I could not fathom someone living with that image without going insane.
I just looked up the photos on reddit, I wasn’t aware it would literally be a close up of the back of Jose’s head and kittys face. I do support the brothers but those injuries definitely have me shaken up.
It's pretty disappointing to hear you say you don't care why someone would try and hit you with a baseball bat as you used in your example. The law does not treat every murderer or killer equally and for good reason. There are different degrees of murder and manslaughter because homicide can be the result of many different reasons and the law does take things such as heat of passion and provocation into consideration. This case is a very good example. If the brothers had been abused and molested and they are telling the truth about being afraid of the parents then that's not 1st degree murder under the law. That's exactly why they had two hung juries with most jurors not voting for 1st degree murder. A key component of 1st degree murder is malice. If their fear was at such a point where they genuinely believed they might be in danger then that removes the malice part of 1st degree murder.
@jhinwynn exactly. Their dad was by ALL accounts a powerful and intimidating man. There’s a reason no character witnesses came forward on his behalf. You see how some women fare when they try to leave their abusive husbands (hint they don’t always stay alive). How do you think these boys would fare trying to leave or publicly challenge their dad for his crimes? He had the famously ruthless nature. He had all the connections and access to the best lawyers money could buy. He had the resources to control and track them down. He had the upper hand in winning the court of public opinion (just like Diddy did for years) because it’s too easy to believe the idea that the victims are just money hungry slanderers. Perpetrators of such crimes have an upper hand anyway because for a male victim to come forward, it means having to tell their truth to the public- a truth that they don’t want anyone to ever know about because of the pain, shame, and stigma.
Dr Oziel who lost his license for sharing confidential client information to his patient he was having an affair with. I'm sure he was scared, but was he threatened? He told his mistress but didn't tell his secretary that regularly saw the brothers when they would go to appointments. The cousin that was a witness on the 1st trial that told the jury Erik told him he was being abused was not allowed to testify in the 2nd trial and committed suicide in 2003. It's believed he felt guilty for letting his cousins down. The other cousins who testified about abuse present in the house were not allowed to testify in the 2nd trial. There's still a lot of evidence pointing to abuse but the biggest one is of a former Latin musician recently breaking silence of being drugged by Jose and waking up bleeding, and continued to bleed for the rest of the week from being abused. It's not right to take justice in your own hands, they should be in jail (but not for life), they did a lot of things wrong. When facing sexual abuse you're not necessarily built to make the best decisions. And if you were a fly on the wall witness to all the abuse they went through I don't doubt most people would of pulled the trigger on behalf of the brothers. Chances are Jose was brutally abused too, and this stems from generations of abuse. We must protect children and have harsher punishments for people that abuse children. They will never stop, they are incapable to do so.
Yes the facts are there however the facts have context which you do not divulge into. Also one of your biggest points is that they were faking grief. That is speculation not fact - people who are free from a lifetime of abuse surely will have moments of elation where they bask in the sheer weight of enslavement being lifted (Erik was still living there, still being used and abused and still under complete control). They could also be grieving the loss of their parents! Both can be true at once.
They didn’t even bother to pretend to be. They lied continuously to the police and everyone else for months, yet everybody wants to take what they say as gospel truth???? The whole while they are out spending exorbitant obscene amounts of money, with great pleasure??? Yeah they are grieving. NOT. these are the reasons I do not and never will believe them. They are spoiled, arrogant, and manipulative and said whatever they thought were going to save them once caught. They are exactly where they need to be.
Michelle Pfeiffer used to live there with her husband David E. Kelly when I visited it back in around either 2000 - 2003. Been there a few times and a friend told me that couch remained in the house under plastic for a year or two. Who knows if that is true.
My son stole from me then lied about me to throw off the police , he had everything given to him but he still stole and lied , I can totally see how these two lied to cover up
Maybe you didn't set him boundaries clearly enough. I think that's what most parents fail to do. It's important from the beginning on. Once they are teens it's all too late. I had strict but loving parents and I needed that. The more I behaved the less stricter they became. The more I misbehaved the more they took away privileges. Today I am thankful they taught me how to behave properly and to have empathy.
@@TheNewsAnchorYouTrust dont be condesending, you have no clue how they raised their children.. Empathy? You clearly have none. . My mom taught me to have empathy, she took away my stuff when I was bad, but I can see how children NO matter how they are taught can turn bad. Maybe you should get off your hight horse
When I saw the Menendez brothers walk into the courtroom in their beautiful, black suits and white shirts, my jaw dropped. They were jaw dropping, gorgeous, such handsome young men. Beautiful smiles, beautiful charisma, and they walked in with such confidence. I hope when they get out of prison, put on a couple beautiful Armani suits and enjoy the rest of their lives. They are aging like a fine wine.🍷 🍷
I agree. How many times do they need to be victimized? It's easy for a lot of people to say they had the choice not to kill their parents, but I think they were triggered by their parents attitude and answers to them when they confronted them. That's why there was a lot of rage and anger in the killings.
So easy to over think. I just threw my engagement ring out the window… I’m 29… already knocked on doors and ordered a metal detector. Think people, their brains were not fully developed at that point.
Insightful. I get it about the "facts." Years ago I was a dispatcher for a utility company. Part of my job included monitoring the police and fire channels for struck poles and buildings on fire. It meant I had to be ready to send out a utility crew to shut off power and move wires when the police asked (had to wait for their call-when they were ready). One struck-pole accident resulted in an immediate, tragic death of a young person. The officers at the scene coded it immediately as a death. A ghoulish co-worker, who was not on call-duty, visited the accident scene then screamed at me the next day about the code, insisting that she was still alive and that I heard the wrong code. He later apologized, because I was right. I didn't want to fight about it. Just too awful. It was a sad call.
I'm friends with one of their cousins, Ileana Cano. I went to high school with her. Her brother is Andy Cano, who unfortunately passed due to a drug overdose. He testified at their trial for the defense. Erik wrote him a letter seeking support for his situation with Josè. The abuse was an open secret in the family for almost 20 years. No one dared approach Jose or mention anything to him about the abuse because everyone was afraid of him. To be fair, nobody knows what they would do in a situation like that. They took Kitty out because she'd known about the abuse for years and did nothing to protect them. We have no right to judge them. Maybe they weren't able to see any other way out. The fact that they killed their parents is indisputable: The facts behind that fateful decision are not.
Would you not report this to child protective services? that would be my first reaction because I have had to report child abuse i n the past when I knew what else to do. Why the fake 911 call? the crying? the detective said that while he was questioning Lyle especially was cold. Why all the lies and the shopping spree? it dosent make sense to me if its not true all the seeking of the will? the stealing of the safe?
@@annalewis3356 José teached them to behave that way in case of doing something wrong by lying and cheating. It is a matter of fact that who knew him can say he was ruthless in achieving his goals, people around him can witness his mindset, a mindset that he transmitted to his sons through education. So it's not so surprising that after the murd3r they tried to hide what they have done. But watch out two things: 1) first time that they provided this narration based on lies (murdered by mafia), it has been soon discovered. 2) in the very moment they were pushed to tell the truth about abuse , they were oppositional, they created problems for the forensic psychologists (from their own side) who tried to make them talk about their past... they kept saying "our parents were good and only wanted our best", they didn't immediately try to say that they were monsters, and this is typical of those who have suffered abuse, to defend the abuser. They said yes, we killed them but they didn't want to say the reason for that ferocity, that fury. After all, there were two of them and if they really wanted to, if this story had started just for the money, they could have shot them in the head, behind their backs. But they were angry, they wanted to be seen killing them, and you don't get to that level of anger just for money, you don't get that angry.
I'm with you on the interest in what they were wearing, what they ate, what they did during the day, what they were doing at the time they were killed. Like you said, not knowing that this is the last time for a lot of things.❤❤❤❤
I normally call it accurately whether the person is guilty or not. These 2 had me at a crossroad. Yes, they did it, but WHY? That was the crux of it. They were abused & tortured since they were small children by both parents. Sorry, not sorry, they need to be freed. Those 2 were EVIL & couldn't care less about their children. The boys probably had no other recourse. Sure they were basically grown, but Jose would have destroyed them if they came forward. Remember how big he was in business in a filthy, dirty city. He would have had them taken out.
They killed their patents because their father had threatened to kill them before and their mother had a gun an had mentioned feeling the need to kill someone. The father was told by Lyle that he would tell people to make the abuse stop. Since his father said he would do whatever he wants with his son and that Erik made his decision and Lyle made his. Their mother said they ruined the family.
I live in New York close to the Amityville house, and I don't know how anybody could live there or in the Menendez house after those brutal murders or for that matter the Wonderland house would give me the total creeps,! Anyway great work again Scott
Amytiville house? NO. The Menendez house in Bh? Yes. ANY house older than 1991 with carpet over wood floors is hiding something that occurred. I always encourage buyers to look under the carpets. Typically a previous owner is trying to hide blood stained wood floors. The reason I would say Yes to the Menende house is location and the fact the murders took place in the front den meaning you could redo that room and not have to redo the entire house, buy it at a steep discount like the buyer did after the murders, and resell it for 10x as much years later.
15:41 they were like shadows, Why does he refer to his mother as somebody was scrambling around the coffee. Sounds like they didn’t even think twice, yikes. A crime of passionate indeed 16:29 who else were they expecting to be in the room….did they take meds to be out of it? It’s like he dissociates himself from the entire situation. 21:35 Kitty was filling out Erik’s college application? Doesn’t sound like someone who wanted their son dead…the overkill of Kitty probably sealed their conviction.
You have to remember that this is Beverly Hills where the houses aren't sandwiched together like your typical white trash low grade subdivision. Their neighbours' homes were a considerable distance away, which is likely why they didn't hear the shotguns firing. Also, at that time of night, they were likely watching TV just like the Jose and Kitty were.
I'm surprised no one heard anything, or anything that warranted concern. Shotguns are fkn loud. Kaboom 💥 loud. Maybe the house was well insulated, or was the den a sunken-style room perhaps? It is odd.
@Jessielovestarot yes , they don't hate them like I do bc it s their parents , I was abused not sexually but I know the feeling , I have no Sympathy for children molesters
@@Jessielovestarot lyle and Erik are their kids it s not the same , if they read this I m sorry but ur parents were bad and to me lyle and Erik killed them bc of more disturbing secrets , jose watching child being rape on a tape and invited his friends neighbors ? this is to tell them :" try to go the police I will destroy you all , yeah guys I had the nerve to watch such disgusting content with yous . " he knew they wouldn't do anything . shows u how big was José , sick parents .
The motivation to kill their mother, seems to be for the money. They failed to prove that the mother was a threat or all that abusive. Shooting her in the face shows malice, they failed to prove what the mother ever did to deserve that.
If it hadn't been for the remarkable spending spree they went on, and the attempt to find and destroy their parents Last Will and Testament, I'd be more compelled to listen to their claims.
The mother should have protected them!!! She knew what was going on, this has nothing to do with Netflix. It has been presented by two nieces of the boys in the first trial. People were not ready to cope with father to boys sexual abuse.
I love the autopsy findings. Is that morbid? I ran across an autopsy pic of Travis Alexander (killed by Jodi Arias). It was really creepy but fascinating.
To the narrator: you say you don't like them, that you never liked them. When I look at this case and when I followed this case during the trial, for me it was never about whether or not I liked them. It was always about whether or not I believed them and what I thought should be their penalty. It feels to me like they trigger you somehow and your taking this personally.
You say you have no respect for anyone in this case except for the prosecution because you are biased - and that you never liked the brothers. Yet, you were willing to donate some money to their defense and asked for an autograph. 1:30 Why donate and ask for something in return?🤔🤨
How sad the parents had to go out like that. They got off easy. Listen to the Menudo member's interview and how he couldn't stop bleeding for a week and this is only one person who came foreword. A mother is supposed to protect her children. Instead she turned a blind eye (how ironic). When you grow up with this kind of abuse your brain does not develop normally. I'd rather be broke af and live in a tent than endure what these boys endured from their own father no less.
I was in an abusive relationship with my ex, I had an arranged marriage and I really had no love for my ex, I spent 23yrs with him thanks to our culture, throughout my marriage, I dreamt of a better life, a life where there was no hate, and no one picking on me for stupid small things, not being beaten up for nothing. It took 23yrs for me to get out of that relationship, the scum got married again to someone younger and she reported him to the police, he spent 4mths in prison, and I cannot tell you the satisfaction I had that someone did something I didn't have the guts to do myself. I totally understand what they went through and I felt like as if I was seeing myself being raped when Erick was talking about his first time when he was raped properly by his dad, that brought back vile memories
One thing to understand about "birdshot" loads is that at very close range an ounce of lead is pretty much an ounce of lead. The individual pellet size is not really a factor because there is no mid air flight distance allowing the pellets to separate and they enter the target as essentially a single mass. This is evidenced by the autopsy reporting wad fragments present. The wad is a plastic cup that holds the shot and has a gas seal piston on its base, it's very light and falls away from the pellets in a few feet of mid air flight. If wad fragments are found that indicates the shot pellets, wad and all entered as a single unit and will do damage similar to a solid slug. Upon exiting the target, if individual pellets retain enough energy they can travel in random separate directions. Shots fired from a few feet away can show individual pellet holes but the damage will still be densely concentrated, as evidenced by massive bone fractures. Bird shot at very close range is no joke. Even the lightest 12ga target loads intended for breaking clay targets and intentionally loaded light to reduce recoil on the shooter are 7/8 ounce of shot at a velocity around 1150 ft per second, which is roughly the same velocity as the ubiquitous 9mm handgun caliber, and the mass of lead is roughly equivalent to three 9mm handgun bullets. So a close range shot from this light 12ga load would be similar to being hit by three 9mm handgun bullets in the same spot all at once. There are also ways to make any birdshot load into a "poor man's deer slug" by putting a careful razor blade cut in the outside diameter of the shotshell hull, causing the entire front of the shotshell to remain intact as essentially a plastic coated slug that will take deer at 100 yards the same as any other slug load.
When Erik testified he said they bought 2 types of pellets. Initially they bought birdshot but were concerned that it wouldn't do the job so they went to another store and bought buckshot. As I understood it they used buckshot to kill their parents. Edit: maybe Erik used birdshot and Lyle used buckshot? Because Erik initially fired first, mostly shooting his father and wounding his mother. He then went out to reload but then Lyle came in and shot his father in the back of the head and shot his mother, who was on the floor trying to crawl, shot her in the face.
What bothers me about them is that the lies never end. Eric’s testimony clearly states that he “ bursts in the den door and that his father was standing in front of the couch, he shoots him and the father cries out No !!” But that is a lie!!! The autopsy shows that the first shot was the fatal shot to the back of the head, showing that a brother shot Jose from the back. They clearly don’t want to reveal that fact because they want to make it look like the father was in the pose of a threat to them in their story.
That is not correct. The remainder of Jose's wounds would not have been immediately fatal, although all resulted in much loss of blood. There were two shots to the right arm, one below the shoulder that fractured the humerus and the other to the right forearm. There was a shot to the left elbow. The trajectory of the shot was from back to front, indicating that this shot could have been one of the first shots fired at Jose as the killer walked around to the front of the couch to face him. Jose was shot in the lower left knee, creating a three-inch wound that fractured left femur. Golden discovered that there was bleeding into Jose's body tissues along all of the wound paths. This meant that Jose's heart had been pumping blood and that the wound at the back of his head, which investigators initially thought was the first shot fired at Jose, was not. Golden said he could not determine the order of the shots fired at Jose.
Whether or not they were abused still does not excuse what they did. Ir was premeditated and brutal. They were adults and could have left and stood on their own 2 feet, got jobs serving coffee, coaching Kidd tennis. Moved to Alaska or somewhere else far away...the problem with these solutions is that the money would have been cut. They killed for money and maybe revenge because of the abuse.
Exactly. There was no immediate threat to death or bodily harm during that moment. That is the LEGAL point and that is why they were convicted. Nobody is denying the abuse occurred or that they’re victims. However, this was a calculated and vengeful decision given the objective evidence: 1) Purchasing a firearm days before the murder and also using a fake ID 2) Awaiting until the victims were unsuspecting of their intentions 3) A CONTACT wound to the posterior head-which means the victim was not facing them. This type of GSW (especially with a shotgun) is pretty much intended to be fatal 4) Multiple GSW (some which if were solitary would be considered non-lethal) in both victims. These were meant to inflict pain and suffering rather than just to prevent them from causing bodily harm at that moment. 5) Hiding the evidence: collecting the shells, lying to the police, and creating an alibi From an emotional standpoint: Should they be freed since they likely don’t pose a threat to society and/or because of the heads of abuse? Perhaps. From a legal standpoint: Should they continue to serve out their sentence because they committed premeditated murder? Absolutely.
I always wear a tshirt that represents my personality. I swear I think about this every single day. When you said something about them thinking/wondering about the last thing they wore… that’s exactly why every single day I wear a shirt that I would be totally okay with dying in.
I remember going by the house on your tour Scott. Nothing weird happened that day. I do believe the boys were abused, but a lot of people are & don’t kill their parents. I think they used it as a justification to help themselves to the $$$
@Itzsista47. It wouldn't be a far stretch to believe the trauma they experienced stunted their emotional and mental growth. It is all too common among victims of juvenile and long term crimes, but at the hands of your own parents escalates the trauma tenfold, eliminating any safe haven at home.
Not really. Erik had just graduated from high school . Lyle was 21, but adolescence ends in the mid-20s or later. Also , they had lived with constant abuse and threats of violence. That’s really damaging.
A therapist that worked with them said they were emotionally 10 and 8 respectively. They weren't allowed autonomy or encouraged to grow up, gain independence like normal kids
Ephemera 2:39 just sad case. Sons deserve a new trial. Why? More emphasis on mental health, SA, and ptsd from mid 70s. Where were the shots? Father near groin upper thigh back of head. Half the moms face her silence while things were transpiring the pause for reloading. See No Evil Hear No Evil. That’s why the brothers deserve a retrial. I’m just a security guard. Ya have to see it from both perspectives Scott. Was there a crime? Yes What about the Menudo boy? That band recycles members after they reach a certain age. Think. Problem Today Weinstein, Diddy, and Sneider as well as Menedez and more in these high profile positions of power and influence.
Very valid points considering the revelations of what was happening back then in the music and entertainment business. Still not sure of the whole truth. Maybe 30 years has been enough.
During the original trials I followed everything in detail-- and never missed a moment of the first televised trial. What they did was horrible and desperate and they themselves would say the same. I can remember my heart breaking during the testimony about their life of abuse. With nothing to gain-- fully expecting to spend the rest of their lives in prison-- they spent their years doing useful things, getting further education, and helping other inmates with the same. They also ended up being sought after listeners for people who had experienced sexual abuse as children. They were victims who acted out in a way that was almost a psychotic break. They have spent 35 productive years in the prison system. It is my hope and prayer that they have their sentence changed to first degree manslaughter and they they are released before Thanksgiving. It's time...
Well done. As morbid as it sounds, I too find things like this fascinating. I just discovered your channel and have been watching a lot of older content, figuring out that your ex is Graham Norton! I love the Graham Norton show! I too, live in Palm Springs and could've sworn I saw you the other day but I'm sure it wasn't! Love your channel. Wish I could've gone on one of your tours I would love to have gone on the Manson tour and seen David Oman's house. Keep up the good work
They were breaking into homes and robbing them. The worst mistake their father made was to compensate the victims to save his sons from going to prison. These murders were always about the money thats why they killed their mother, so they would have complete control over the money.
Oh really, how come there is supporting evidence proving they had believed for nearly an entire year before their parents died that they had been disinherited? Why would they kill for money they didn’t think they were going to get? Use your brain.
@@JackieOlantern how so ? They were taken out of the will. Other witness confirmed Jose had taken them out, at least told them he had He did grotesque evil his own sons. For years, Guess you're ok with that. Do you
@@aryzmunio7367 they killed them to get the inheritance, period, were cut out of will bc of their criminality...Lyle was trying to destroy online will made later
@emilymathews7073 it’s been so long I don’t recall I just remember the photos showed the bodies on the slab and no they were not blurred. I’m rooting for them to get out of jail.
The murder was proven to be premeditated. Like very. They would have gotten away with it if Erik hadn't confessed first to his best friend, then to his psychiatrist. And the psychiatrist's mistress ratted to the police when the psychiatrist dumped her. They're lucky they're not in death row. But they should remain incarcerated.
On your tour, still in the hearse, I had asked for one that would end at dusk. You guys weren't happy, but it was private and near my birthday around this time of year. We approached the house, and Dead Can Dance came on the tape deck. Two of the new owners were on the balcony. It seemed so close that we could see their highball tumblers. I still get chills thinking I saw into that house where they pumped and reloaded into their parents, as evil as they may have been. P.S. I know there was a parting of ways with your GLT business partner, and this was the year just after the home sold, so I am assuming you still held a financial stake, if not fully involved. Sorry if I'm assuming incorrectly.
The fact that you remember the Dead Can Dance song makes me incredibly happy. No one has ever mentioned my choice of music at that particular moment of the tour. That you still remember it 30 years later… wow. Thank you.
Chilling ordeal. The vile sexual abuse these boys endured while growing up is enough to drive anyone crazy! Sad
@@Kimba663well no one gives a damn about your opinion so….
@@Kimba663Same don't believe them, but the fact is they did kill them and they should stay in prison
@@abigailgarcia4655there are doctor’s reports documents from pediatricians. The judge would not allow it to be admissible. There is a federal law mandating doctors, care givers, case workers, they have to report abuse to the law enforcement or they can be charged themselves for neglect. 30 years ago nobody wanted to get involved. They had the medical records, the judge refused to allow them to be reported . Now the judge for be disbarred. No judge now would allow that kind of information being withheld.
I think so.@@abigailgarcia4655
@@abigailgarcia4655facts
The parents should have suffered life in prison for the crimes they committed.
They got the death penalty instead.
If the parents did s/a their boys then absolutely, but their dead and now their sons have to pay for what they did to their parents!
Demonizing the victims is a way for criminals to make themselves look less guilty.
A friend of mine had a basketball trading card with some random LA Lakers player on it but it was worth thousands because in the background of the picture were Eric and Lyle Menendez with court side seats…
My brother still has that card, its the Mark Jackson Knicks Hoops card from 1990, it was taken after the murders. Last time i checked the card is going for 5 grand or more. We used to collect all the complete packs of the sports cards from the late 80s early 90s
Both comments irrelevant to their appeal.
@@kb8939Just a little trivia. Chill out.
Spooky
You can get one of these cards mint condition 10/10 for 50 bucks
There's no real evidence that Lyle ever threatened the therapist Dr Oziel. According to the therapist what happened is that Erik ran out of the session crying and Lyle ran after him. Dr Oziel tried to get Lyle to come back rather than chasing Erik to which Lyle said to him "good luck Dr Oziel". Dr Oziel took this to mean a threat. Personally I think it's pretty evident from other evidence (other witnesses and the confession tape) that Oziel was not afraid of the brothers and just had to come up with an excuse at trial as to why he divulged patient secrets to his mistress.
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I completely agree.
That has NOT been proved that they were abused! They MURDERED THEIR PARENTS! LIED about it, and said the mob did it, then went on shopping sprees!! Planned the WHOLE thing! They were also 21 and 19 year old GROWN MEN! they were entitled brat psychopaths! Yall are sick!
there is no real evidence that they were raped
As far as I know, she overheard rather than being told.
What a great voice and the way the story is put together makes this channel what it is .
Well the guy is right that everybody feels VERY different about this case:
I can’t bend my mind that two children obliterated by S-abuse by their own father happened. I always say the mother would defend their children with her own life if she had only known that this was happening to them, BUT in fact, not only did she know and gaslighted the horrific acts against her children but she inflicted her own hand against those little souls as children.
Now S-abuse is too MUCH if done more than ZERO TIMES, you’re mind tries to trick you that, ‘at least I hope it was not so often’, but not only was it often, several times weekly, but the U N T H I N K A B L E the level of brutality inhumane the youngest went through, I’m absolutely certain the child, both children soul and spirit were un-alive; shells of skin and bones walking bc they had to.
You would think that the monsters kept their evil in the darkness hidden in the walls of their well to do life’s, but no, they treated them SAVAGELY with their hands, ignoring them and the vile sharpness of their mouths.
What these two men went through as children you just can’t bring them back with all the money in the world.
When those monster parents were no longer in this world it was the first time these two were free of the devil and his demon wife. I would be celebrating too that after making it alive do far those monsters were not going to get away and ki**ll the brothers after they confronted the father. The father sickness psychotic ways was not going to let these two ruin everything he built. Remember it was the 90s and no one talked about those things; grape and S-assault. Men were very shameful to admit such things.
THOSE ARE FACTS.
As far as I’m concerned those kids have served time for the criminal act of ki**ll**ing their parents. But in no way or shape do I believe they should stay in jail one more day.
21:37 Kitty filling out Erik's paperwork....so her husband could tell him exactly what courses he would be taking and what he would be doing after he graduated, also making him stay home several nights per week so he could still have access to S*xually ASS@ulting him. Sick sick weirdos. You are supposed to protect your children, not be complicit with the nightmare the man you chose to marry and stay with forces upon them. Plenty of people who were victims do not dare let the same (or worse) happen to their children.
Agree 100% with you. With Scott not being moved bc they were men tells me the ole men should be men attitude is totally misplaced on the Menendez bc they are men.
Forget that not only was it S-abuse, but sadistic sick S-abuse by their own father… and they were boys that had just come out from being babies. But bc they are males they should have said something (they did), but louder. They should not feel threatened confronting a psychotic predator who would deal with rebellious people Jose saw as not humans. But bc they were men they are not allowed to protect themselves. They knew how evil and crazy Jose was enough to know he’d protect all he built and not lose it for the two boys-men Jose had no respect for and felt they owed him their body, mind, soul and spirit. But bc they were men these two young men at the time, just had come out of childhood, should be mentally well.
It astonishes me that Scott mocks the Menendez for implying they kept quiet about the S-abuse, as if people that go through S-abuse, most, will NEVER speak about such a thing ever happening, ESPECIALLY bc it’s your FATHER. Not only was it the 90s where these things could not happen and beyond shameful, for the victim.
The fact is that in today’s modern world people still keep it harden at all costs bc it’s just not a bearable thing to share. Look at Madeline Soto unalived by her mom’s boyfriend. Her evil mom STILL defends her boyfriend even after showing her video of that pig S-abusing her since she was a baby. According to Scott unsaid logic that people should say it, it’s a fact that kids just don’t. And Madeleine was a girl in our modern time. Yet two young men are still treated differently bc they are male. Sorry I ranted. Just, this guy Scott’s indifference to S-victims bc they are men is sickening to me.
Leave home and work your way through college like most other people do.
The parents were trying to get their sons into college to get higher education and had the money to pay for the best... Jose wanted his sons to achieve in life (like he did)... but the lazy spoilt b rats preferred to burglarize wealthy homes, and when we're told that they are being written out of the will, mur dered the parents and got their hands on the inheritance (14 mil) and Jose's life insurance (650k).
These sons had just committed serious felonies.
@@DaniJo2320 Oh, stop abusing the facts of the police investigation with your d e ra n ged suppositions.
Dearly Departed .... you are simply the best.
100%!
Agreed😃
He sees through it all.. can’t believe Kim kardashion took cooper there jail , now they want them free, NO . Never be another trial, even if you are Kardashians
@@KoalaBeer. luckily for the world, most of us do have empathy and have looked at the court trials, so we are in support of the men getting their sentencing changed to manslaughter. if we all just made snap decisions form a place of lack on empathy or understanding, or simply from a 'logical' view, the world would be a very bleak place. life isn't logical when you are raised by two sadistic and sociopathic parents.
luckily for you though, you have access to all the information we do, and you are welcome to educate yourself on the psychological effects of trauma, especially childhood S/A by a family member. AND you can watch the expert testimony and all other accounts from family and teachers that show very clearly that the boys were abused horribly.
but I assume you don't actually care because you've made up your mind on this matter. ahwell.
I live in the town Kitty grew up, where she was crowned "Miss Oak Lawn" at the local VFW in 1962,
In Illinois?
Is that the vfw on Central Ave and 108th st ?I live nearby now
Johnson-Phelps VFW Post 5220 at 52nd Ave and Yourell
Yes, in Illinois
So? Did you know her well?
Great video presentation as always Scott !
I’m glued to your channel…. Constantly intrigued with your factual knowledge about Hollywood and more.
Thank you! ❤
Not entirely Factual. It was presented making the parents be the victims of death. The entire story and facts of Jose Melendez was not included. Me personally, have not read in my life anything else sicker, disgusting, horrendous case as this one. A powerful, wealthy, and Sick father raping his two sons, a 14yr old singer related to RCA. Is mind blowing, the most disgusting, sick, lethal case ever.
@@arnaldoluisn1 LOL. Regardless of any theories you may have on motive, the parents were 100% "victims of death". Man, Tik Tok is really warping people's minds.
@arnaldoluisn1 So it is now okay to do this to your parents to commit premeditated murder if you're an abused child? It is not okay to murder people. These brothers were adults when they committed their crimes. They could have left as adults. They chose to stay there. I was SA by my parents and another family member. They are powerful people and very wealthy from shady businesses. I left everything behind and made my way in life. I still struggle with the mental and SA. It still doesn't give me an excuse to murder. You take it to court if you want. I chose to leave and never return, and yes, they sent people to track me down, but I will not return. My parents are very dangerous people. I still don't have the right or justification to murder them. That is what courts are for.
@@arnaldoluisn1you don't murder people. You go to court if you want. I was SA by my parents. I left.
Agreed!
This guy is honestly giving the facts of the case. Good work 👏
The part that seals it for me is the dude from Menudo and the cousin and sister of Kitty. SA child abuse very taboo back then. There was a lot of prejudice of the day that played into this case. I believe the stories about the parents, especially as told by others not the boys.
That doesn't prove the brothers were abused
these two were abused but yet was so eager and willing to spend their abusers money, party, buy luxury things, open up businesses ect immediately after their death? that doesn’t make sense.
Doesn’t seem like two boys who were abused, seems like 2 people thought they could use abuse as a way to get a lighter sentencing.
@@MeadeFatLossyes they were.Their.own mother, told her sister about it, but.she was told it.was their.own family secret.
@@BigFactss_ go search about trauma reaction.
@@MeadeFatLossThere were naked photos of the boys. Medical history of injuries consistent with sexual abuse
The boys "acted out?" Two adults committed premeditated murder.
Two psychopaths that's what they are keep them lock up they belong in prison
@ileanayes life without paroleacacostaacosta1813
I have a lifetime of fascination with forensic studies and find these videos in particular (love all of your videos as well) extremely interesting. Thank you for your posts.
I also wanted to say how sorry I am that you had to close your museum. I would have loved to visit it when I had the chance. Now medical issues would not have permitted it anyway so I really enjoy your videos. Thanks again.
Kitty's crime was she didn't protect her son's when she clearly knew what was going on. Imagine that happening in today's age where a mother neglected and turned a blind eye to her boys being molested. In fact this whole thing could have been avoided if she had acted like a mother and stood up to her husband. These boys felt no love or protection from either parent. Who were they supposed to turn to?
Also, we all know they were molested, there is no if's or but's about it. People just like to make excuses only because the murders were such overkill.
Her sister never reported it.
How you know it even happened though? Based of a Netflix movie
they may have fabricated the whole thing.. they didnt kill in self defense. If they did they wouldnt have lied about it and went on a spending spree. YOU are all influenced by a made for tv movie about them and u probably think they are all cute and cried when they got separated into differnt prisons.
@@MyEnimeagree really, that recording of kid sounds cold. Here’s another theory , what if the brothers had incest and parents found out?, just saying. I mean they did act out on each other ..I get some feeling kitty and dad know more but arnt here to tell us.
Listening to the trail she had relations with her son also
This one was horrible. Both victims were wounded multiple times and incapacitated before the fatal wounds. Kitty had blood stains on the soles of her shoes showing she was walking through blood after the shooting had started. One wound on her arm shows she was standing, moving her body when she was hit, but putting a hand up to defend against a shotgun.... An FBI forensic expert said the crime scene indicated a highly emotional state with no actual planning. Large numbers of shots were fired, without apparent targets. The shooting ended with the fatal shots, all the other injuries and gunshot wounds were inflicted before death.
Brilliant and insightful.
Straight to the conversation and no stuffing around.
Thanks!
Thank you very much 💃🏻
It’s hard to find any sympathy for their parents! In a way they orchestrated their own outcome.
I agree. As a matter a fact all that money Scott said they spent (as if they had no right. Or as if they were thieves) could well be RESTITUTION money for the evil those monsters inflicted on them. I’ll even say that they were shopping, CELEBRATING because for the first time in their lives they were FREE of those monsters.
@@veronicaleon8075agreed!
@@swathih1 how? They were ambushed by 2 grown men with shot guns .
I agree with you, they are guilty of brutal murder, premeditated, tried to cover it up, acted like they were so sad they were gone, and went and spent a ton of money, living the good life....
Hi Jordan! Awesome story, Charles kuralt was one of My fave host's on cbs Sunday morning show, there was a genuine part of him that can be seen even just watching that show, he seemed like a good person. Thank you & take care. Oh yea that #21 was great as well😊
Thank you, Scott. This was outstanding. This case boils my blood. Your passion is palpable. Loyal fan, the other M
Hey Scott: I don't know if you read these, but I imagine you do. I was wondering if you could someday do a story on Jilly Rizzo's (Sinatra's right hand man) restaurant and bar there in Palm Springs. The building is still there, and the story is so weird and bizarre. And both Jilly and Frank are buried nearby.
im sorry but the brothers saying their mom was a mercy kill is just outrageous. they shot her more than their dad and shot her in the head last!!! the shots broke multiple bones in her body and she couldnt move. then went and reloaded and finally shot her in the head. i guess they wanted her watch one last time....... its terrible
Love your videos Scott, you really do your homework buddy.
Actually he really left out many things because he is biased.
Your summary is pretty superficial and, as you said, you already have your opinion. However, anyone who does a deep-dive on the facts of this case, including the horrific, sadistic sexual and psychological abuse of Erik in particular, and the grossly unjust 2nd trial, would have to agree that they’ve served enough time already for the killing of a criminal, serial, sadistic sexual predator of underage boys and his enabling, pill-popping, alcoholic shrew for a mother. I wonder how many more little boys they saved from the torture of the true Monster of this family, Jose’ Menendez.
Those two sons have devious smiles.
I would assume they are glad it's over
They do have devious smiles. They are complete nutcases. Dangerous.
The reason they thought they were going to be killed is Eric told Lyle that the abuse was still happening. He had tried to go to move out and Jose wouldn’t allow it because he was still raping his son. After Eric told him, Lyle confronted Jose and told him he had to stop. Jose told them that if anyone ever found out about what he did, then he would kill them. They then all went on a boat trip where Eric and Lyle thought that this is when they would be killed. The boat captain even talked about how scared the boys seemed during their trip. That’s when they made the plan. It wasn’t perfect and they should have gone to jail, but abuse screws with your brain. Not excusing killing them, but Jose and Kitty got what came to them so I have no sympathy for them. (Kitty was also horrifically abusive and was pretty well documented on that)
Exactly! Whenever anyone talks about this case they just focus on crime scene and repeat false and biased pro-prosecution claims that the brothers just wanted money. But they never mention the events that led to the murders or the abuse they suffered and all the evidence. So frustrating
This. I don't know why everyone ignores the boat trip they went on the day before. They were clearly afraid of the parents and the boat captain noticed it. The brothers were huddled up together at the front of the boat on a cold day wearing shorts out on the sea for 7 hours and they very rarely budged or moved even when they got soaked by a wave. Even the behaviour of the parents tells you something was going on. In years prior to this Jose was all over his children constantly, they were always in his sight and he ordered every single move they made. Yet for some reason on this boat trip he is ignoring them for some reason. It's evident that something was happening in the family and the brothers were afraid.
AMÉN. Their own words from prison are also very telling. They’ve never been a problem in jail, quite the contrary. I recall an interview done with Lyle where he stated that prison was the first time he was able to sleep or feel safe.
They don’t do many interviews. I think Eric has only done a couple the whole time. It’s mostly Lyle, but even then he hasn’t done many. I can see why his people wrote what they did to Scott.
I think the major difference between people that “get it,” and those that don’t is that the former have been abused themselves. I have, I even had enabling family members so I fully understand the hate and anger. I don’t condone murder, but fuck Jose and Kitty. Good riddance, these were shitty people. That’s very telling.
@@YourEverydaySheep this is big in the argument about the legitimacy of true fear in a home where they were raised by a tyrannical father, confirmed by everyone that came into contact with Jose, and a cruel, alcoholic mother that took out her aggression on them because she blamed THEM for her life. That tidbit about Kitty was stated in testimony by her therapist where he also stated that she hated Lyle and Eric.
People raised in love and safety have no right arguing the legitimacy of the fear that a grown person has due to being raised by highly terrifying caretakers. Psychologists speak of the importance of a child’s formative years and how that shapes them neurologically.
@annmcclure8378 We actually do know a lot because over 50 people who knew the brothers and their parents came to testify for their defense. There was a lot of evidence of the parents abusive behaviours. For gods sake Kitty's own sister and nieces say they don't forgive her but they DO forgive the brothers.
I think they most likely were sexually abused. Jose was not a good guy even if they weren’t. And Kitty turned a blind eye. But I think it was about money also.
The prosecution was allowed to show evidence of the brothers spending post crime. Not sure why you're saying it wasn't allowed. Family members did refute it though as an uncle did have a conversation with Jose where Jose told him that he had told the brothers they were already out of the will. This is also brought up during the confession tape where Dr Oziel asks them how they felt about being told they had been disinherited many months prior to the killings to which they are both apathetic. So why kill to inherit money you don't think you'll be getting?
But, they did and they got their money!
@@dianabeurman364 Getting money and spending it afterwards does not mean it was a motive for the crime and there's a lot of evidence which contradicts the money motive. If we simply looked at someone spending money afterwards as being indicative of a motive then why did the younger brother spend hardly anything in comparison to the older brother?
@@dianabeurman364 Seriously, how dense can you be?! If they weren't expecting money cuz they were out of the will, how does that show they did it for the money??
@@Selena37-87 It doesn't!
@BarbaraCowdery They did spend a lot of money, especially the older brother Lyle. However, they grew up very rich with the parents constantly buying expensive things (they lived in a Beverly Hills mansion at the time of the killings!) If you watch the trial & the testimony of the people who actually knew them, there was so much abuse & dysfunction in the home yet the parents valued material possessions & image above everything else. The family spent $ like water & it had no real value to them. The brothers were never taught to deal with their emotions in any positive way or manage money as that would show “weakness.” Lyle always has expensive spending habits, he even bought his first girlfriend in high school an expensive fur coat! So that’s how they grew up. People forget that retail therapy is a thing where people indulge in buying products similar to over indulgence in drugs or alcohol to get over a trauma.
Hi Scott… great video. My wife and I went on your tour in Hollywood back when you had one van and you were driving it. It was so good! I think that must have been mid to late 90’s? Any way, just a quick point regarding this video. When pellets (birdshot) are fired from a shotgun barrel, they stay in a very tight group (about an inch diameter) for several feet. They remain a very tight group of pellets. They are actually contained in a little plastic cup (wadding) that doesn’t separate from the shot for several feet. They don’t “spray” out of the front of the barrel (a common misconception). Actually, depending on the choke of the barrel, the spread is typically less than 1 inch per yard. So in this case, all the shot would have been grouped less than about 2 inches at most, causing devastating injuries as you describe. Thanks for what you do! Take care…
No one should judge these men based on society standards. When you are denied true love and affection from parents who should love you unconditionally can turn anyone into a desperate and detatched individual
You don't just do that kind of damage to the people who raise you and provide you with everything for no reason, there had to be a deep seated reason 💯 This is personal and it looks like a fight for your life, get them before they get me. I believe the Menendez Brothers, especially since they had never been violent their entire lives.
I agree with you. I think it came down to a case of kill or be killed….and it just so happened that the boys struck first.
There is no evidence they were in immediate danger, and they brutally murdered them while they were sitting in front of the tv
@ WRONG! Get your facts straight before you start spouting off. Lyle said the TV was on, and his dad was sitting there on the one end of the couch, but his mom was up moving around the room…they were not “sitting in front of the TV….and YES THE BOYS WERE IN DANGER of having some type of abusive shit happen to them anytime they were around either one of their “parents”, and I use that word very loosely! Attaching the label of “parents” to those two monsters is an absolute joke!!!
Great video Scott love the coverage.
Sending love and prayers from the UK 🇬🇧
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Totally fascinated by these videos Scott (and a bit in love with you!) You handle the subjects sensitively in spite of the disturbing details
Get a grip dear 🙄
Loving these autopsy videos. Please keep doing them.
If I recall, his gunshot wound(s) were described as "explosive decapitation." When I read that description, it gave me shivers. I was a young active duty US Army Combat Medic and never forgot it. Years later, I got over it, but the level of trauma inflicted was so 'intimate' if not grotesque, I could not fathom someone living with that image without going insane.
Unless that person molested you for years.
There's a video of the crime scene.
I just looked up the photos on reddit, I wasn’t aware it would literally be a close up of the back of Jose’s head and kittys face. I do support the brothers but those injuries definitely have me shaken up.
@@amandabr9562 I just looked up “menendez crime scene” and clicked the first thing at the top with the blurred NSFW warning.
@emilymathews7073the base of the scull was no longer attached to spine it was held on by soft tissue
It's pretty disappointing to hear you say you don't care why someone would try and hit you with a baseball bat as you used in your example. The law does not treat every murderer or killer equally and for good reason. There are different degrees of murder and manslaughter because homicide can be the result of many different reasons and the law does take things such as heat of passion and provocation into consideration. This case is a very good example. If the brothers had been abused and molested and they are telling the truth about being afraid of the parents then that's not 1st degree murder under the law. That's exactly why they had two hung juries with most jurors not voting for 1st degree murder. A key component of 1st degree murder is malice. If their fear was at such a point where they genuinely believed they might be in danger then that removes the malice part of 1st degree murder.
@jhinwynn exactly. Their dad was by ALL accounts a powerful and intimidating man. There’s a reason no character witnesses came forward on his behalf. You see how some women fare when they try to leave their abusive husbands (hint they don’t always stay alive). How do you think these boys would fare trying to leave or publicly challenge their dad for his crimes? He had the famously ruthless nature. He had all the connections and access to the best lawyers money could buy. He had the resources to control and track them down. He had the upper hand in winning the court of public opinion (just like Diddy did for years) because it’s too easy to believe the idea that the victims are just money hungry slanderers. Perpetrators of such crimes have an upper hand anyway because for a male victim to come forward, it means having to tell their truth to the public- a truth that they don’t want anyone to ever know about because of the pain, shame, and stigma.
Dr Oziel who lost his license for sharing confidential client information to his patient he was having an affair with. I'm sure he was scared, but was he threatened? He told his mistress but didn't tell his secretary that regularly saw the brothers when they would go to appointments.
The cousin that was a witness on the 1st trial that told the jury Erik told him he was being abused was not allowed to testify in the 2nd trial and committed suicide in 2003. It's believed he felt guilty for letting his cousins down. The other cousins who testified about abuse present in the house were not allowed to testify in the 2nd trial. There's still a lot of evidence pointing to abuse but the biggest one is of a former Latin musician recently breaking silence of being drugged by Jose and waking up bleeding, and continued to bleed for the rest of the week from being abused.
It's not right to take justice in your own hands, they should be in jail (but not for life), they did a lot of things wrong. When facing sexual abuse you're not necessarily built to make the best decisions. And if you were a fly on the wall witness to all the abuse they went through I don't doubt most people would of pulled the trigger on behalf of the brothers.
Chances are Jose was brutally abused too, and this stems from generations of abuse. We must protect children and have harsher punishments for people that abuse children. They will never stop, they are incapable to do so.
A few years later, the boys might have smartened up and hired someone to make them disappear That’s the only regret I have for these boys.
Very insightful review! Thank you!
Yes the facts are there however the facts have context which you do not divulge into.
Also one of your biggest points is that they were faking grief. That is speculation not fact - people who are free from a lifetime of abuse surely will have moments of elation where they bask in the sheer weight of enslavement being lifted (Erik was still living there, still being used and abused and still under complete control). They could also be grieving the loss of their parents! Both can be true at once.
I agree with your opinions Scott. This was a fascinationg recap, great job!
Would love to have been a fly in the car to hear what the two of them talked about after they did what they did before returning home.
Why shouldn't the boys PRETEND to be grieving sons? They spent the whole first part of their lives pretending they had living parrents.
They didn’t even bother to pretend to be. They lied continuously to the police and everyone else for months, yet everybody wants to take what they say as gospel truth???? The whole while they are out spending exorbitant obscene amounts of money, with great pleasure??? Yeah they are grieving. NOT. these are the reasons I do not and never will believe them. They are spoiled, arrogant, and manipulative and said whatever they thought were going to save them once caught. They are exactly where they need to be.
Michelle Pfeiffer used to live there with her husband David E. Kelly when I visited it back in around either 2000 - 2003. Been there a few times and a friend told me that couch remained in the house under plastic for a year or two. Who knows if that is true.
Also robin greer Nicole’s friend lived in that house Nicole Simpson went there because that where they threw a baby shower for her in that house
My son stole from me then lied about me to throw off the police , he had everything given to him but he still stole and lied , I can totally see how these two lied to cover up
Maybe you didn't set him boundaries clearly enough. I think that's what most parents fail to do. It's important from the beginning on. Once they are teens it's all too late. I had strict but loving parents and I needed that. The more I behaved the less stricter they became. The more I misbehaved the more they took away privileges. Today I am thankful they taught me how to behave properly and to have empathy.
I'm so sorry that you had to experience that pain. I can't imagine.
@@TheNewsAnchorYouTrust dont be condesending, you have no clue how they raised their children.. Empathy? You clearly have none. . My mom taught me to have empathy, she took away my stuff when I was bad, but I can see how children NO matter how they are taught can turn bad. Maybe you should get off your hight horse
@TheNewsAnchorYouTrust you don't know what happened in the household.
“He had everything given to him”
Nuff said.
When I saw the Menendez brothers walk into the courtroom in their beautiful, black suits and white shirts, my jaw dropped. They were jaw dropping, gorgeous, such handsome young men. Beautiful smiles, beautiful charisma, and they walked in with such confidence. I hope when they get out of prison, put on a couple beautiful Armani suits and enjoy the rest of their lives. They are aging like a fine wine.🍷 🍷
Love your work Scott!
His own family said they were terribly terribly SA's. Find the video of his Elderly Aunt and lemon 🍋 unbelievable. They need to be released already
I agree. How many times do they need to be victimized? It's easy for a lot of people to say they had the choice not to kill their parents, but I think they were triggered by their parents attitude and answers to them when they confronted them. That's why there was a lot of rage and anger in the killings.
So easy to over think. I just threw my engagement ring out the window… I’m 29… already knocked on doors and ordered a metal detector. Think people, their brains were not fully developed at that point.
So the whole family knew but never confronted Jose or Kitty or let alone even said anything to the police? How convenient.
@LittleRedMoon16 I don't think they believed it until the parents were killed. Everything started coming out then.
@@tinawoodell1957 But they never confronted them themselves or asked questions?
Well if they were sexually abused for years they should be out of jail now. Its an horror that happened to them. 😢
Insightful. I get it about the "facts." Years ago I was a dispatcher for a utility company. Part of my job included monitoring the police and fire channels for struck poles and buildings on fire. It meant I had to be ready to send out a utility crew to shut off power and move wires when the police asked (had to wait for their call-when they were ready). One struck-pole accident resulted in an immediate, tragic death of a young person. The officers at the scene coded it immediately as a death. A ghoulish co-worker, who was not on call-duty, visited the accident scene then screamed at me the next day about the code, insisting that she was still alive and that I heard the wrong code. He later apologized, because I was right. I didn't want to fight about it. Just too awful. It was a sad call.
I'm friends with one of their cousins, Ileana Cano. I went to high school with her. Her brother is Andy Cano, who unfortunately passed due to a drug overdose. He testified at their trial for the defense. Erik wrote him a letter seeking support for his situation with Josè.
The abuse was an open secret in the family for almost 20 years. No one dared approach Jose or mention anything to him about the abuse because everyone was afraid of him.
To be fair, nobody knows what they would do in a situation like that. They took Kitty out because she'd known about the abuse for years and did nothing to protect them.
We have no right to judge them. Maybe they weren't able to see any other way out. The fact that they killed their parents is indisputable: The facts behind that fateful decision are not.
Would you not report this to child protective services? that would be my first reaction because I have had to report child abuse i n the past when I knew what else to do. Why the fake 911 call? the crying? the detective said that while he was questioning Lyle especially was cold. Why all the lies and the shopping spree? it dosent make sense to me if its not true all the seeking of the will? the stealing of the safe?
@@annalewis3356 José teached them to behave that way in case of doing something wrong by lying and cheating. It is a matter of fact that who knew him can say he was ruthless in achieving his goals, people around him can witness his mindset, a mindset that he transmitted to his sons through education. So it's not so surprising that after the murd3r they tried to hide what they have done. But watch out two things:
1) first time that they provided this narration based on lies (murdered by mafia), it has been soon discovered.
2) in the very moment they were pushed to tell the truth about abuse , they were oppositional, they created problems for the forensic psychologists (from their own side) who tried to make them talk about their past... they kept saying "our parents were good and only wanted our best", they didn't immediately try to say that they were monsters, and this is typical of those who have suffered abuse, to defend the abuser. They said yes, we killed them but they didn't want to say the reason for that ferocity, that fury. After all, there were two of them and if they really wanted to, if this story had started just for the money, they could have shot them in the head, behind their backs. But they were angry, they wanted to be seen killing them, and you don't get to that level of anger just for money, you don't get that angry.
I'm with you on the interest in what they were wearing, what they ate, what they did during the day, what they were doing at the time they were killed. Like you said, not knowing that this is the last time for a lot of things.❤❤❤❤
I normally call it accurately whether the person is guilty or not. These 2 had me at a crossroad. Yes, they did it, but WHY? That was the crux of it. They were abused & tortured since they were small children by both parents.
Sorry, not sorry, they need to be freed. Those 2 were EVIL & couldn't care less about their children. The boys probably had no other recourse. Sure they were basically grown, but Jose would have destroyed them if they came forward. Remember how big he was in business in a filthy, dirty city. He would have had them taken out.
Typical female..you probably think they were "cute " lol 😂
Lots of kids are abused. They leave. They don't kill their parents for millions of dollars.
Thank You for saying it. Those two brothers were destroyed, mentally killed since early age, by those sick parents
They killed their patents because their father had threatened to kill them before and their mother had a gun an had mentioned feeling the need to kill someone. The father was told by Lyle that he would tell people to make the abuse stop. Since his father said he would do whatever he wants with his son and that Erik made his decision and Lyle made his. Their mother said they ruined the family.
Oh please. They did it for $. Period.
I live in New York close to the Amityville house, and I don't know how anybody could live there or in the Menendez house after those brutal murders or for that matter the Wonderland house would give me the total creeps,! Anyway great work again Scott
The same thing, in Amityville house where those murders happened too. I am from Queens.
Wonderland would be heavy with dark vibes
Just violent and really gruesome
This is how I feel about the Ramsey house in Boulder where JonBent was murdered.
Amytiville house? NO. The Menendez house in Bh? Yes. ANY house older than 1991 with carpet over wood floors is hiding something that occurred. I always encourage buyers to look under the carpets. Typically a previous owner is trying to hide blood stained wood floors. The reason I would say Yes to the Menende house is location and the fact the murders took place in the front den meaning you could redo that room and not have to redo the entire house, buy it at a steep discount like the buyer did after the murders, and resell it for 10x as much years later.
@emilymathews7073
Supposedly they still don't know who killed that poor little girl...😞
15:41 they were like shadows,
Why does he refer to his mother as somebody was scrambling around the coffee. Sounds like they didn’t even think twice, yikes. A crime of passionate indeed
16:29 who else were they expecting to be in the room….did they take meds to be out of it?
It’s like he dissociates himself from the entire situation.
21:35 Kitty was filling out Erik’s college application? Doesn’t sound like someone who wanted their son dead…the overkill of Kitty probably sealed their conviction.
Was the house soundproof? Is that why the neighbors couldn't hear anything.
You have to remember that this is Beverly Hills where the houses aren't sandwiched together like your typical white trash low grade subdivision. Their neighbours' homes were a considerable distance away, which is likely why they didn't hear the shotguns firing. Also, at that time of night, they were likely watching TV just like the Jose and Kitty were.
@@Terry-nx8kgbeverly hills are low class new moneyed people
I'm surprised no one heard anything, or anything that warranted concern. Shotguns are fkn loud. Kaboom 💥 loud. Maybe the house was well insulated, or was the den a sunken-style room perhaps? It is odd.
@@jena.alexia no one heard the gun shots during the Amityville murders
Glad you are doing these autopsy recaps! Brings back the true horrific nature of these murders
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Thank you so much Katy!!
Great video Scott. It was very interesting, and I thoroughly enjoyed the whole story. Thank you for sharing it with us
they cleaned the world from 2 monsters , I see them as monsters not parents
@@Mayssoun3121 oh that would get Kyle mad he loves them dearly
@@Mayssoun3121 you hate them more then they did lmao but ok 👍 bad karma
@Jessielovestarot yes , they don't hate them like I do bc it s their parents , I was abused not sexually but I know the feeling , I have no Sympathy for children molesters
@@Jessielovestarot lyle and Erik are their kids it s not the same , if they read this I m sorry but ur parents were bad and to me lyle and Erik killed them bc of more disturbing secrets , jose watching child being rape on a tape and invited his friends neighbors ? this is to tell them :" try to go the police I will destroy you all , yeah guys I had the nerve to watch such disgusting content with yous . " he knew they wouldn't do anything . shows u how big was José , sick parents .
@ that would get Lyle mad. He already told you. 🤔 think. He’s a grown ass man
The motivation to kill their mother, seems to be for the money. They failed to prove that the mother was a threat or all that abusive. Shooting her in the face shows malice, they failed to prove what the mother ever did to deserve that.
If you read through all the evidence and interviews of the brothers and family members you will see where the motivation came from and the malice
If it hadn't been for the remarkable spending spree they went on, and the attempt to find and destroy their parents Last Will and Testament, I'd be more compelled to listen to their claims.
The mother should have protected them!!! She knew what was going on, this has nothing to do with Netflix. It has been presented by two nieces of the boys in the first trial. People were not ready to cope with father to boys sexual abuse.
I love the autopsy findings. Is that morbid? I ran across an autopsy pic of Travis Alexander (killed by Jodi Arias). It was really creepy but fascinating.
I feel the same way
Not at all. It’s educational
I have quit a few of Travis Alexander and they’re some of the worst.
That’s typical with yall though
To the narrator: you say you don't like them, that you never liked them. When I look at this case and when I followed this case during the trial, for me it was never about whether or not I liked them. It was always about whether or not I believed them and what I thought should be their penalty. It feels to me like they trigger you somehow and your taking this personally.
Yes! I never understood the hatred.
You say you have no respect for anyone in this case except for the prosecution because you are biased - and that you never liked the brothers. Yet, you were willing to donate some money to their defense and asked for an autograph. 1:30 Why donate and ask for something in return?🤔🤨
@@erinnemargretcruz5947Clearly you don’t understand Scott or his background.😎
It will be interesting if they get a new trial, going to have to go to another planet to get an impartial jury on this case.
The father was a scumbag and I’m sure the mother knew!
How sad the parents had to go out like that. They got off easy. Listen to the Menudo member's interview and how he couldn't stop bleeding for a week and this is only one person who came foreword. A mother is supposed to protect her children. Instead she turned a blind eye (how ironic). When you grow up with this kind of abuse your brain does not develop normally. I'd rather be broke af and live in a tent than endure what these boys endured from their own father no less.
I was in an abusive relationship with my ex, I had an arranged marriage and I really had no love for my ex, I spent 23yrs with him thanks to our culture, throughout my marriage, I dreamt of a better life, a life where there was no hate, and no one picking on me for stupid small things, not being beaten up for nothing. It took 23yrs for me to get out of that relationship, the scum got married again to someone younger and she reported him to the police, he spent 4mths in prison, and I cannot tell you the satisfaction I had that someone did something I didn't have the guts to do myself. I totally understand what they went through and I felt like as if I was seeing myself being raped when Erick was talking about his first time when he was raped properly by his dad, that brought back vile memories
One thing to understand about "birdshot" loads is that at very close range an ounce of lead is pretty much an ounce of lead. The individual pellet size is not really a factor because there is no mid air flight distance allowing the pellets to separate and they enter the target as essentially a single mass. This is evidenced by the autopsy reporting wad fragments present. The wad is a plastic cup that holds the shot and has a gas seal piston on its base, it's very light and falls away from the pellets in a few feet of mid air flight. If wad fragments are found that indicates the shot pellets, wad and all entered as a single unit and will do damage similar to a solid slug. Upon exiting the target, if individual pellets retain enough energy they can travel in random separate directions. Shots fired from a few feet away can show individual pellet holes but the damage will still be densely concentrated, as evidenced by massive bone fractures.
Bird shot at very close range is no joke. Even the lightest 12ga target loads intended for breaking clay targets and intentionally loaded light to reduce recoil on the shooter are 7/8 ounce of shot at a velocity around 1150 ft per second, which is roughly the same velocity as the ubiquitous 9mm handgun caliber, and the mass of lead is roughly equivalent to three 9mm handgun bullets. So a close range shot from this light 12ga load would be similar to being hit by three 9mm handgun bullets in the same spot all at once.
There are also ways to make any birdshot load into a "poor man's deer slug" by putting a careful razor blade cut in the outside diameter of the shotshell hull, causing the entire front of the shotshell to remain intact as essentially a plastic coated slug that will take deer at 100 yards the same as any other slug load.
When Erik testified he said they bought 2 types of pellets. Initially they bought birdshot but were concerned that it wouldn't do the job so they went to another store and bought buckshot. As I understood it they used buckshot to kill their parents.
Edit: maybe Erik used birdshot and Lyle used buckshot? Because Erik initially fired first, mostly shooting his father and wounding his mother. He then went out to reload but then Lyle came in and shot his father in the back of the head and shot his mother, who was on the floor trying to crawl, shot her in the face.
What bothers me about them is that the lies never end. Eric’s testimony clearly states that he “ bursts in the den door and that his father was standing in front of the couch, he shoots him and the father cries out No !!” But that is a lie!!!
The autopsy shows that the first shot was the fatal shot to the back of the head, showing that a brother shot Jose from the back. They clearly don’t want to reveal that fact because they want to make it look like the father was in the pose of a threat to them in their story.
That is not correct. The remainder of Jose's wounds would not have been immediately fatal, although all resulted in much loss of blood. There were two shots to the right arm, one below the shoulder that fractured the humerus and the other to the right forearm. There was a shot to the left elbow. The trajectory of the shot was from back to front, indicating that this shot could have been one of the first shots fired at Jose as the killer walked around to the front of the couch to face him. Jose was shot in the lower left knee, creating a three-inch wound that fractured left femur. Golden discovered that there was bleeding into Jose's body tissues along all of the wound paths. This meant that Jose's heart had been pumping blood and that the wound at the back of his head, which investigators initially thought was the first shot fired at Jose, was not. Golden said he could not determine the order of the shots fired at Jose.
Whether or not they were abused still does not excuse what they did. Ir was premeditated and brutal. They were adults and could have left and stood on their own 2 feet, got jobs serving coffee, coaching Kidd tennis. Moved to Alaska or somewhere else far away...the problem with these solutions is that the money would have been cut. They killed for money and maybe revenge because of the abuse.
Exactly. There was no immediate threat to death or bodily harm during that moment. That is the LEGAL point and that is why they were convicted. Nobody is denying the abuse occurred or that they’re victims. However, this was a calculated and vengeful decision given the objective evidence:
1) Purchasing a firearm days before the murder and also using a fake ID
2) Awaiting until the victims were unsuspecting of their intentions
3) A CONTACT wound to the posterior head-which means the victim was not facing them. This type of GSW (especially with a shotgun) is pretty much intended to be fatal
4) Multiple GSW (some which if were solitary would be considered non-lethal) in both victims. These were meant to inflict pain and suffering rather than just to prevent them from causing bodily harm at that moment.
5) Hiding the evidence: collecting the shells, lying to the police, and creating an alibi
From an emotional standpoint: Should they be freed since they likely don’t pose a threat to society and/or because of the heads of abuse? Perhaps.
From a legal standpoint: Should they continue to serve out their sentence because they committed premeditated murder? Absolutely.
Both brothers before this happened were stealing in the neighborhood got caught and their father told them they were cut off the will
you cleary know nothing about abuse if you think picking up and leaving would of been that easy
@@OneWayJesus777-x2n again you basing ur info cleary on what exactly a show lmfaooooo they were never cut off them the will
U have no idea the hell they were living in, they were so beat down and scared but ok 👍🏽
Yes, they were eating blue berries and ice cream. You can clearly see them in a dish on the coffee table.
I always wear a tshirt that represents my personality. I swear I think about this every single day. When you said something about them thinking/wondering about the last thing they wore… that’s exactly why every single day I wear a shirt that I would be totally okay with dying in.
That is so interesting to me. I don’t think I have ever thought that once in my 50 years of life. 😂
Very interesting. Thank you for sharing
I so very much enjoy listening and watching you Scott!
I remember going by the house on your tour Scott. Nothing weird happened that day. I do believe the boys were abused, but a lot of people are & don’t kill their parents. I think they used it as a justification to help themselves to the $$$
Excellent video.
Great to see you back Scott.
🙋🏼♀️ I feel strongly in the other direction. You left out “rest in in peace Jose and kitty sexual, physical and emotional abusers”
Lyle and Erik WERE NOT KIDS when they murdered their parents. THEY WERE GROWN MEN! I enjoyed your commentary.
@Itzsista47. It wouldn't be a far stretch to believe the trauma they experienced stunted their emotional and mental growth. It is all too common among victims of juvenile and long term crimes, but at the hands of your own parents escalates the trauma tenfold, eliminating any safe haven at home.
Not really. Erik had just graduated from high school . Lyle was 21, but adolescence ends in the mid-20s or later. Also , they had lived with constant abuse and threats of violence. That’s really damaging.
A therapist that worked with them said they were emotionally 10 and 8 respectively. They weren't allowed autonomy or encouraged to grow up, gain independence like normal kids
I like that screen with the beautiful color changes! Nice!!
Ephemera 2:39 just sad case. Sons deserve a new trial. Why? More emphasis on mental health, SA, and ptsd from mid 70s. Where were the shots? Father near groin upper thigh back of head. Half the moms face her silence while things were transpiring the pause for reloading. See No Evil Hear No Evil. That’s why the brothers deserve a retrial. I’m just a security guard. Ya have to see it from both perspectives Scott. Was there a crime? Yes What about the Menudo boy? That band recycles members after they reach a certain age. Think. Problem Today Weinstein, Diddy, and Sneider as well as Menedez and more in these high profile positions of power and influence.
Very valid points considering the revelations of what was happening back then in the music and entertainment business. Still not sure of the whole truth. Maybe 30 years has been enough.
The brothers deserve their freedom.
I heard the first shot to Jose was not to the head it was the left thigh.
This makes sense because the guys entered through the front double doors.
Thank you for this video.
I used to process and print crime scene photos when I worked at a 1 hr photo store during that time. I've seen it all.
Great video, Scott, as always. x
During the original trials I followed everything in detail-- and never missed a moment of the first televised trial.
What they did was horrible and desperate and they themselves would say the same. I can remember my heart breaking during the testimony about their life of abuse. With nothing to gain-- fully expecting to spend the rest of their lives in prison-- they spent their years doing useful things, getting further education, and helping other inmates with the same. They also ended up being sought after listeners for people who had experienced sexual abuse as children. They were victims who acted out in a way that was almost a psychotic break. They have spent 35 productive years in the prison system. It is my hope and prayer that they have their sentence changed to first degree manslaughter and they they are released before Thanksgiving. It's time...
Well done. As morbid as it sounds, I too find things like this fascinating. I just discovered your channel and have been watching a lot of older content, figuring out that your ex is Graham Norton! I love the Graham Norton show! I too, live in Palm Springs and could've sworn I saw you the other day but I'm sure it wasn't! Love your channel. Wish I could've gone on one of your tours I would love to have gone on the Manson tour and seen David Oman's house. Keep up the good work
What?
Well what's your thoughts on gypsy rose then scott?
I did the Dearly Departed Tour in 2013 and saw the Menendez house
Nobody lives there??
They were breaking into homes and robbing them. The worst mistake their father made was to compensate the victims to save his sons from going to prison. These murders were always about the money thats why they killed their mother, so they would have complete control over the money.
Oh really, how come there is supporting evidence proving they had believed for nearly an entire year before their parents died that they had been disinherited? Why would they kill for money they didn’t think they were going to get? Use your brain.
Your dumb they were always after the money
@@graveburgersPlease show the will.
@@graveburgerserik slept with money safe.
It was always about money.
They blew out $700000 in span on few months
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Well,
one thing is for sure and that's they really hated their parents.
But loved their money
@@JackieOlantern how so ?
They were taken out of the will. Other witness confirmed Jose had taken them out, at least told them he had
He did grotesque evil his own sons. For years, Guess you're ok with that. Do you
@@aryzmunio7367 they killed them to get the inheritance, period, were cut out of will bc of their criminality...Lyle was trying to destroy online will made later
Years of sexual abuse, I’d hate them too.
@@nikki162412 so you condone murder.
I saw the crime scene and autopsy photos; lots of anger there.
@emilymathews7073 it’s been so long I don’t recall I just remember the photos showed the bodies on the slab and no they were not blurred. I’m rooting for them to get out of jail.
As a mother of an awesome son I would flip if any man touched one hair of his. Now what those kids went through… I can’t bend mind around that. Ever.
The murder was proven to be premeditated. Like very. They would have gotten away with it if Erik hadn't confessed first to his best friend, then to his psychiatrist. And the psychiatrist's mistress ratted to the police when the psychiatrist dumped her. They're lucky they're not in death row. But they should remain incarcerated.
Thank you,it seems like the majority has lost their minds and believe the" new sex abuse" story being shopped around by the media and new lawyers.
On your tour, still in the hearse, I had asked for one that would end at dusk. You guys weren't happy, but it was private and near my birthday around this time of year. We approached the house, and Dead Can Dance came on the tape deck. Two of the new owners were on the balcony. It seemed so close that we could see their highball tumblers. I still get chills thinking I saw into that house where they pumped and reloaded into their parents, as evil as they may have been. P.S. I know there was a parting of ways with your GLT business partner, and this was the year just after the home sold, so I am assuming you still held a financial stake, if not fully involved. Sorry if I'm assuming incorrectly.
The fact that you remember the Dead Can Dance song makes me incredibly happy. No one has ever mentioned my choice of music at that particular moment of the tour. That you still remember it 30 years later… wow. Thank you.
Nice vlog Scott.
Thank you dear for being smart and not following trend they are guilty poor Jose a hard working immigrant a good family man I. That way poor kitty