Jay, the Keychron Q series keyboards are gasket mounted which is why you are seeing the flex when pushing down harder on the keys, that is by design and is meant to improve the feel and sound when typing normally.
I've had some gasket mounted keyboards and never felt any improvement on feel over the classic tray mount style. Maybe the force required to flex the PCB varies greatly between keyboard brands/models, but in my keyboards I only flex the PCB if I'm willing to do it (applying much more pressing force than normal). On the other hand, gasket mount improves sound by taking the mounting contact points away from the keys, moving them to the sides and achieving a more consistent sound.
@@Sonic6293 you kidding right? ask every coder they say they prefer mac os, just because you are an edgelord hosting a nas doesnt mean you are "technical"
@@Donkens really depends on which programmer you are asking. Person developing apps for IOS and mac and person doing webdev using javaShit frameworks? sure. Anything else, Choice is Linux first then windows.
I bought a G915 a few years ago because of your video when you reviewed it. I went to MicroCenter and tried one out and love the way it feels compared to my crappy old one. It's like a mechanical chiclet style key feel sort of, which makes it super easy to transition between using it and using just my work laptop's keyboard when I'm on the go. I find the most useful feature of the G915, though, is being able to seamlessly control 3 different PCs without having to move receivers around. Wired into my gaming PC, wireless receiver in the media PC by the TV, and BlueTooth to my work laptop. The only thing I have to do is either plug/unplug the cable and/or press a button at the top. There may be more expensive, fancier, nicer keys out there, but I'm gonna run this G915 until it dies hah.
Also have it, also love it, but only due to features. I would really prefer something with hot swappable key switches, but good luck finding one that's full-sized, low profile, including a volume wheel and supporting the ISO layout. Personally, I could not find one.
19:41 The Keychron Q series comes in 3 versions, the standard Q such as Q6 is wired only, the Q Pro also has BT and the Q Max has BT + 2.4Ghz. Your keyboard is the Q6 Max version.
17:38 the reason south facing RGB is a good thing is because it allows people to use normal keycap profiles. So it's not style, but function! North facing RGB causes the plastic keycap to contact the switch EVERY TIME you press it, whereas with south facing it functions like normal without hitting the keyswitch. That's why people avoid boards with north facing switches, they are a pain in the ASS
Its only affecting the GMK Cherry profile keycaps not all is affected, I have an Aula f75 and its not showing on my end and switched the swithces to gateron milky yellow and the keycaps are still fine
@@ronskeebs It effected a few sets of mine and i tried changing switches but nothin worked. IFK 808, CTRL semitransparent, and Frontier chemical 001 didn't work with north facing for me. Which really sucked, because i wanted to build the Nuphy Field75 but couldn't cause the keycaps wouldn't work with the switches i set aside
I've never had a keyboard where the keys bottom out with north-facing LEDs, but my one south-facing keyboard I have to keep the LEDs at the lowest setting because otherwise I get blinded every time I look down to reset my hands.
Yes agree with the above comments. The flex is a feature of gasket mount keyboards. However what you notice about consistency in flex throughout the board can be improved in higher end boards. For a stiffer typing feel, and oftentimes for cheaper, you could look for tray mount or top mount keyboards.
The flex you are mentioning is actually a feature. The goal of this is to reduce the noise output of the keyboard and prevent the bottoming of the keys to resonate in the chassis.
Jay was mentioning sides do much flex than the other parts of the keyboard so the flex is uneven but surely Jay did what he can do to reduce the flex in the sides
@@Markknightexeter he probably didn't notice that it does flex everywhere but to a lesser degree. For example on mine it barely flex in the middle unless I use a lot of force.
It's really not. Keychron makes decent keyboards but the execution of the gasket mount system they use isn't that great. That flex in the corners is a flaw by design. The flex also has more to do with the plate material than the gasket mount. My Q6 came with an aluminum plate. Its firm but still allows some flex. This is the same plate jay has. You can tell by the fact that it's black. A proper gasket mount system will be firmer in the corners and edges and have the most flex in the middle. This can be mitigated with using a different plate material such as Brass for a firmer feel or polycarbonate for even more flex.
I love watching someone who doesn't really know keyboards, discover keyboards in a new way. I would love to see Jay do a collab with a Keyboard TH-camr, there has to be a couple near him...Hipyo is a bit far, but maybe could fly down for a weekend or something?
You can find tester sample packs of various companies switch options, typically for about 20 bucks, and that is a great way to figure out what type of switches you like best. Switches can run from $0.10 a switch, up to $2.00 a switch, which gets really expensive if you are kitting out a full 104 keys, so it is important to not regret that decision.
Anecdotally, the reason for "South facing" LEDs vs "North facing" LEDs is because back in the day Cherry style switches had a square ridge on the top (north) side that was designed to fit Cherry style Keycaps, with the LED on the bottom (South) side ... Well, for "North facing" LEDs, they just spin the entire socket 180° so that the LED is on top, which would put that ridge on the south side, and when you went to push a key: the keycap would hit that ridge and not actuate the switch. Modern switches and keycaps have been redesigned so that no longer happens, but there is still a stigma in "the community" about north facing LEDs. Personally, I think it is more of just a pretty rejection of North facing because all of the "gamer" keyboards have shine through RGB and North facing LEDs.
nice start, to make the corners not bend / flex (something the kb community loves, i do not) you will need to separate the pcb from the top plate and stuff more rigid foam in between - those extra spacers were for the springiness. i have several q6 / q6 pro models, where i fill the bottom of the case with resin + metal balls (2mm, about 5000-6000 of them) to make it much heavier. then stiffen up the space between the pcb and the aluminum plate, replace switches with the drop panda clear lubed, fill the bottoms of the the side print keys with resin, to make those heavier, and put it all together. great stuff! lmk if you'd like some photos / video of my work.
oh i forgot, first thing - the blue tape mod - look it up. essentially, you take blue painter's tape and apply layers to the bottom of the pcb. makes the sound much more thocc-like and more creamy. takes out the clackiness out of the pcb. you could also syringe lube the stabilizers for more creaminess - just don't overlube.
@@endorphinADMIN I did the tape mod and added some automotive sound deadener to the bottom of the case as well as lubing switches and straightening the stabilizers on my Q6. I think I did a few other things as well. Such a fantastic keyboard.
Not sure where all the hate for the G815/G915 comes from. I've had the G815 for a couple years now and it is solid. I've fully yanked the entire keyset twice for cleaning and everything is still as smooth as brand new. No issue with key clips, no wobbles and no flex. The very best part of the G815 is the low-profile keys and Keychron has no competitor for the G815 on that feature. Everything is subjective and tastes vary, but the hate bandwagons are just silly.
The battery might even be exchangable, but once the battery is dead, I'm sure the industry will have found a way to make this obsolete and you can't buy a new battery for this anymore. I'm so sick of that. I want normal AA batteries.
@@mainsource8030 Of course. I would expect that. But I haven't used cabled keyboards in decades and I don't want to. I bought expensive keyboards and that junk kept breaking, which is why I find the "garbage" so fitting. Now I use a "cheap" Cherry wireless and that thing will not break. But I still dream of a mechanical keyboard, that fits my needs.
@@profosist Alright. So how likely is it, you will be able to buy AA rechargeables in 15 years and how likely is it, you can buy their "standard" battery then.
My brother in christ... I did the exact same swap a week ago. You were the reason I bought the G915 in the first place back in 2020. This shit is uncanny.
@@Wipeout54 No complaints about the g915 tbh. I liked it for what it is, but this keyboard is way nicer. Also swapping the keycaps because the stock ones are a bit to tall for my liking, but still really nice, and the battery life is something else. I Got it last friday, been in use for 12 hours a day and its still at 30% battery life with the backlighting turned on.
Your brother in fictional character based out of the middle east?
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Hi Jay, I'm glad you're having a good experience switching mechanical keyboard brands, because it seems we had the same issues with the same brand. In my case, it was a refurbished G512 that broke the LED on the “Z” key after two months of use. At least it was still under warranty and I was able to exchange it, but after that I started looking beyond commercial keyboard brands and replaced it with an AULA F99. It was a bit more expensive and has an all-plastic build, but it's better than any keyboard LOGITECH sells right now: 8000mAh battery, wireless and Bluetooth, USB C, PBT keycaps, RGB, and hot-swappable switch. The truth is that it's time to look at other peripheral brands because they offer better quality and many more features than the most recognized manufacturers who seem to have been determined to ask for more but not improve quality or offer more for what they sell.
Jay, usually to connect to VIA you need to download a json file from the manufacturer website. Also I don't know if any one commented this already but Signal software can interfere with VIA if Signal recognizes the keyboard. I had this problem with a VIA compatible keyboard and VIA only worked after entering Signal and disabling the connection of Signal to the keyboard.
The 100% layout, rgb, low profile, high quality mechanical kb space is so severely lacking. Just tossing this out there. Currently have a Keychron V5 Max. It's okay, but I wish it had a knob and brighter lighting.
I just did almost exactly the same upgrade! Went from a G910 to a Keycron Q3 HE + Q0. Absolutely loving the change - feels SO much better. I think the flex is intentional, as it avoids finger stress and carpal tunnel. On a lappy, you don't want flex as it means bad build quality, but on a keyboard they do a LOT of engineering to give it a bit of flex. Board is mounted on gaskets, etc.
I recently swapped to the V6 with Silent Reds from a store-bought mechanical Logitech with tactiles. The improvement is out of this world. If you haven't tried a proper GOOD keyboard, you're underestimating the gap. If you have, going back just isn't an option. These things are absolutely worth the 100-200 USD they ask for them.
Jay, in case you read my comment, as @WaaMac previously mentioned, the keyboard is gasket-mounted, which explains the slight flex-it's a design choice. If you're considering alternatives that align with your preferences mentioned in the review, I recommend checking out the Keychron K10 Max. It's a robust keyboard with a classic mounting style (zero flex), no knob, additional foam and silicone for excellent noise suppression, and-best of all-it's made of high-quality plastic, which significantly reduces its price compared to the Q6. I recently purchased the K10 Max, and I think it's an outstanding keyboard for its price-a true masterpiece!
Yeah I've also relucantly bought this keyboarad several months ago. I was really hesitant, because I'm quite picky when it comes to mice and keyboards but I absolutely love it.
Man I’m still using my Corsair Vengeance K65 Compact with old Cherry MX Red switches. Been using it for almost a decade now and it’s looking like I’ll get at least another decade out of it. When you find the right mechanical keyboard for you, there’s no going back.
The mechanical keyboard rabbithole is endless, at least until you find your own off point. For me it was the IBM Model M (specifically the 122 key terminal variants running through a modern VIAL converter)
I remember your review of the G915 and was really looking to try it but wouldn’t give the 250. Last year I got one for 150. I never got used to it. It’s a fine keyboard but I don’t like the feel. I surely prefer even my Roccat Aimo 121 better but kept using it (buyer’s remorse I guess). All year I have been looking over keyboards and thought about a Keychron. Imagine my surprise just as I pulled the trigger on a Q6 max myself your Microcenter video came up next day! Really a different world altogether, can’t begin to describe how happy I am I went through with it. If I manage now to sell my Logitech to recoup some of that €€ I will be even happier.
I needed a new keyboard and one of my friends told me to get a Womier SK75 and I didn't understand why. After using it once, I totally got it and now am completely in the hobby. I'm sure Nick can guide you. If you do like the hobby, try the QK100 or Zoom98. They are full size keyboards that are much higher quality and very enjoyable. Oh, one other thing is you'll find that the nicer keycaps are not shine through, so I got a light hat goes above my monitor for late night sessions. Also forgot to mention that Keychron is the gateway keyboard for many, but it's overpriced for what you get. Think of it as your Ryzen 5. If you want to be all in, you;'ll be on a Ryzen 7 or 9. You'll start to learn that as you get a little more in.
17:32 one thing you have to know about south facing rgb is it's because of the switches orientation. If the switch is in south facing style, the south part of it is actually the softly angled part. That soft angle aligns with the keycaps soft angle at the south part of the keycaps. This makes it so that the keycap only hits the top part of the switch's body and apparently makes the more deeper sound. If the pcb has north facing style, the switches will be flipped and the soft angled part of the keycap can hit (doesn't happen all the time and it depends on what keycap style) the right angle part of the of the switch's body and makes a higher ping sound. I'm also new to this keyboard thing and as a gamer I noticed that the priority is sound before rgb.
Jay you should check in with RandomFrankP for all this the man is a goat level collector for keyboards. Also the flexing is supposed to be a feature and not a flaw, the rubber/foam pieces you used are called gaskets and they basically are stuck to the perimeter of the KB plate to reduce the metal on metal contact, which in turn reduces the pinging sound of the metals.
I bought one a few months back. It's honestly such a great option for a fully assembled keyboard. I am someone who uses the 10key regularly. So i was so happy to find a full keyboard option. This is my entry into the "Modable" keyboard world. I personally think it's just right for me.
12:35 I bought myself an ifixit (one of the smaller ones) and it's fantastic, been helping me finally screw in things because I realized I had no screwdrivers here. The downside is free shipping at $95 while most of their parts are super cheap so you won't really hit that free shipping point.
Thanks for the review. I bought a WASD Keyboards full size keyboard many years ago and it was about $200. Your Keychron looks like a good deal for the money. I think my next mechanical keyboard will be a split model, like the ZSA Voyager or Moonlander, or go wild with the Moergo Glove80. The split keyboards are supposed to be better at reducing repetitive strain injury (and I've had coworkers who said their split keyboards completely relieved their RSI)
I bought the V6 earlier this year, which is kinda the wired version of what you got. It is my first fully mechanical and hot-swappable keyboard and I don't think I could be happier with my purchase. I got the barebones version and got silent keychron brown switches with a set of cherry profile double-shot pbt caps colored royal blue. Altogether, it was only about $115 or so, not too bad for a good entry mechanical and customizable keyboard.
I bought some items from Niantic a few times, and it's quite expensive shipping to Norway. If the item costs 80-86 dollars, the cost of freight, taxes, and customs handling made the price practically double...
Had a G815 (wired version of the 915) for a while. Though it was great. Switched to a wireless custom keyboard which costs $100 less and it's magnitudes better. Never touching anything other than custom keyboards again. For those curious: Nuphy Air96 V2 Wisteria keys that I lubed myself.
Not a keyboard modder. I mod enough stuff in my life. I bought a G915 TKL after I had shoulder surgery so I could keep gaming. I liked it so much after I recovered, I went and bought the full size one for my gaming PC, and put the TKL on my Plex server.
I'm pretty sure everyone else has commented about the gaskets but this video triggered me. The trigger was actuated with minimal force. The acoustics of the trigger were full of ping and scratch.
Have a Logitech G513 Carbon bought 5 years ago. The first time I cleaned my keyboard with a soft brush, the keys started breaking, if I knocked a key by accident it would break (the four little weak plastic lugs inside.) Then as time went by the RGB keys started failing one by one. Cost me a lot of money when I bought it. My brother just buys cheap £20 keyboards, even though he has had more keyboards, it's cost him a fraction of what I payed for a premium keyboard. I'm going cheap from now on.
what a coincident, I just bought a Keychron to upgrade my Logitech last night. going from a G413 to a K8. I don't exactly hate my logitech, it's comfortable enough used with a wrist rest and I don't really need a lot of features from a keyboard, just solid fundamentals. But Jesus Mary and Joseph this thing is *impossible* to keep clean. The brushed aluminum is the worst grime magnet I've ever seen a piece of tech be in my LIFE. Worse that the old 360 pads you'd neglect unless your friends came over.
I upgraded to this exact same keyboard a few months ago from a Logitech G series and love it! Just on your issue with VIA not connecting, I ran into the same thing and noticed the website was reporting some errors. Fix for that was to remove my keyboard from the USB hub I was using and plug it directly into the PC and VIA was able to connect immediately.
I'd love to see you guys start a segment on custom keyboards. There's a lot to go into and once you have a custom keyboard that matches your custom pc with lights and preferred switches, there's just no going back. Given you're blue colorblind, you might want to check out the gemstone keys from Drop. I love the way the feel and the color is really clean and solid.
Spending $200 on a device you make a living on, if you work from home, should be justifiable. Even if you're only using it in the evening when home, it should hold value still as a purchase.
my favourite of the Bentley Girl rifs is the guy in Europe using a hand puppet of Donald the Duck going "Citroen" in a really good Donald the Duck voice and comparing the two, its hilarious
I have the Q12 Southpaw carbon black and it is amazing! The quality and build is very good. I like how a lot of these companies are making custom out-of-the-box keyboards (with lubed switches, gasket mounts, foam, good quality stabilizers) for the ones who don't have the patience to build their own. Of course nothing beats a fully custom keyboard but these are still pretty dang good.
I had a TH-camr dropped on my feed about keyboards. It was interesting but usually keyboards way outside my budget. But I did find one thanks to him and bought it. The keys are quiet, the case is HEAVY so it does not move at all, and the keycaps are lovely.
Oh, and Jay, there are some really good options for a lot less these days as well, but if you like the full size, that might leave you with a lot fewer options to choose from...but good mechanical boards have gotten really affordable in the last year or so. I really do want to see a collab video where Jay spends a day with a KeebTuber who can really get into the details with him...maybe bring a bunch of different boards at different price ranges and feature sets just to show Jay what all is out there...would be a fun video to watch IMO and there is a lot of crossover in the fanbases anyway.
5:48 I have an older model keychron board and having the hot swappable switches was a life saver! After 2+ years I had a single switch start to fail. An entire new set of switches was like $20. I could have just replaced one, but I did all of them in less than an hour.
I have multiple Keychrons including a Q3. I suggest switching to a different style plate, I'm using a pom. I've also tried different style switches and keycaps, I've managed to come up with a perfect creamy marbly sound that I love. Even my wife is into mechanical keyboards now.
Great to hear about your experience with the Q6. I started with the Keychron K4 to try the 96% layout for work and overall like it. And then the rabbit hole opened up. 😅 I chased a K3 JIS to better learn to type Japanese as I learn the language, experimented with the Q0 Pro, and now replaced a Corsair K95 Platinum with the Lemokey L3. I'll be changing over the Kailth Copper switches on that board. But now that I've tried other silent switches... I'm in deep bros. 😔
Quick Tip: the Mac/Windows switch toggles between layers that are configurable. So You can reconfigure your Mac mode to be customized for a purpose. For example a game mode with useful functions grouped around the navigation keys, or a creator could have hot keys for an application they constantly use.
Yea, I bought the G915 after watching your videos. Used it for about 5 min. Hate the feel of the keys and they are too low. I am used to old school keyboards as I learned on IBM Selectric typewriters, IBM mainframe dumb terminals and their keyboards, and the early IBM/Microsoft PC keyboards. Yes, I am very old. I need to feel that I am pressing the key. Neuropothy in my fingers doesn't help. Got a Razer Blackwidow v4 Pro to replace it, but not all that happy with it. The software is buggy and sometimes the keyboard will not light up and it is impossible to read the keys to enter my password when my room is low light. I looked at the Keychron, but I am a hands on person. I like to see and feel before I buy. Unfortunately all of the computer stores are gone in AZ. We are stuck with Best Buy and the internet. Thanks for the review video. Might have to go shopping again. Glad I did not pay the full MSRP price for the G915
If you still like loud clicky IBM boards, they are still in production. A company called Unicomp rose from the ashes of Lexmark selling off their keyboard division in the 90s and continues to make the model m to this day with a few revisions along the way (the "new model m" has USB, windows keys and a somewhat smaller case, but its still the same buckling spring switch). Alternatively its not too difficult to breathe life back into an old classic with a bolt mod and a programmable converter.
I went to the Logitech keyboards because they were better and consistent when switching between computers. I agree that getting a keyboard that's solid and good keys are important, especially if you're a coder/developer. Of course, I started using a Cherry keyboard as part of a CRT way back before many here were born... Around the time Baker founded MicroCenter in the strip mall on Lane Ave.
The keychron keyboard is like the honda civic of keyboards. It will work for everyone, but is still modifiable for people that want a little more out of it
I bought a V6 MAx, which is the plastic version of the Q6 Max after my Logitech G613 died, and man do I love it. Super good deal. As for your keyboard not linking with VIA you might have to download the firmware for it and add it to VIA. I had to with the V6.
south-facing rgb is also because certain Keycap-profiles (og cherry i think) can interfere with the switch when its mountet the other way arround. So the switch is rotated and the LED moved to the south
Originally, Cherry MX switches were never intended for north-facing mounting. You can tell by the orientation of the Cherry branding. It was meant for built-in indicator LEDs like Capslock and Numlock.
Liked the Keychron for a lot of reasons but it was too tall for my use. Picked up the Nuphy96 and it was right in the sweet spot size and shape wise. If the Keychrons fit you, I can't see you being unhappy. HOWEVER, do not buy direct. Their return policy requires shipping overseas. Amazon or such will be much more reasonable if you need to return.
I was about to buy the G915 since I saw the video you did about it, but then I decided better to buy a Cooler Master MK700, I was looking for backlight and wireless so I thought it was a really good option since it was like $90 USD at the time of purchase, so I bought it and it feels really good to type on it the double gaskets makes all the difference for me, at the end I changed all the switches from red to Browns and also changed the key caps for pudding style with a color theme of grey/blue and I really am very please with the looks/sound/feel of this little keyboard that even where is it haves the numpad, and roller control it is really compact so I love it even more!!
I have to warn other programmers out there, or anyone who uses function keys all day. The knob changes the placement of the function keys. All of the keys are shifted leftwards slightly. Once you get used to it, it's okay. But it does take some getting used to. Still worth it to have the knob tho.
The flex is by design.. its called "gasket mount" and wanted that way xD I have the Wooting 60HE and 80HE with the L60v2 switches and PBT keycaps. I really enjoy them and can just confirm, that a lot of ppl dont know what they are missing out on. Its also the first time i started modding/working on my keyboards, i handlubed all the L60v1.5 switches of my 60HE to make it sound and feel better and replaced the 60g springs in my 80HE with 80g ones xD The Lekker V2s dont need extra lubing, since their tolerances are way better than the V1(.5)s
I got my first Keychron keyboard at the start of September. (the K10 Pro - essentially the same as Jay's wireless board without the dial) It was on sale at Micro Center for $100. Hooked it up to my work PC because of how great it felt to type on. Since then, I've replaced a few old Logitech boards, using a C2 Pro (full-size) and a couple of C3 Pros (TKL). I suspect they come set up for Mac because having to swap some keycaps might be asking too much from the typical Mac user... I've had problems with the VIA website recently too, so thanks for showing the other site. That worked perfectly.
I use a wired Keychron K3 for several years now. Solid device. Good, not intrusive lighting options. Zero regrets. If this one will ever break a keychron will replace it.
Jay, if you want a wired, non-RGB mechanical keyboard, with absolutely no flex, I highly recommend the DAS Keyboard Professional line, which is price comparable. I have two of these keyboards, one for home, and one for work( the work keyboard has blank keycaps so no one can mess with my PC :) )
I got the Wooting 80HE this tuesday, I can recommend it to anyone. (already had the 60HE before that) It definetly sounds better then the Keychron... the 80HE is much lower pitched.
@@angeloaraya8157 speed yes, the technology is somehow superior. But feel and sound is arguably worse for the majority of people, and it doesn't feel as premium as other similar priced kits. It really comes down to how much you really want the hall effect switches and the best software around to properly tailor them on your needs which of course is worth someting
@@oimazzo2537 You mean the sound? Not really. I know that the sound from the keyboard in the video is louder then in person. I've had several keyboard now. From the old rubberdome, to blue and brown clicky switches, to linear silver/red and now 2x wootings with 60 Lekker v1 and v2 and my 80HE with v2 is the first one without any high pitch/ping sounds. Only the spacebar is a bit high sounding, but the others are more like thock. The only other that came close was a low profile rubberdome keyboard. Between the 60HE with plastic case and the 80HE with zinc case now is also a big sound difference.
For the price, the Q Max series is a major rip off. You can get just as good of a keyboard for almost half the price and then you can use the extra budget to customize it more to your liking.
G710+ 4 life! 😂🤣 My main issue when it comes to upgrading my keyboard is... past the nostalgia, my G710+ works fine no double presses ect. and I'm a tight ass! 🤣🤣 If it breaks then I will change it 😅
I have been using my cheap red dragon keyboard for 6 years. It has an all metal frame, 0 flex at all, and haven't had any of the included switched die. It is also hot swappable, I put blue switches on my gaming keys and about a year ago switched to pudding keycaps. The only real downside it that it has the bar type stabilizer on the space bar. I can't imagine spending $250 on a keyboard.
Keychron has a lot of room for modifications like tape modding while it already has many foam layers and tape modding will take away the flex completely. You can fit more foam or what I like to use, car sound dampening mat to fill in the hollowness of the bottom case.
19:40 Keychron has wired-only boards, you just had to buy the most kitted out of the bunch. Like many people said that Esc side flex is a feature called gasket - basically a shock absorber for the typing. And south-facing LED is the better version of the two types we got I've never seen any board with perimeter lighting like you want. Basically you could have been fine with like a C2 for 50 bucks for your needs
So I started with a G613 also and I had mixed feelings about it. The switches were weird(very inconsistent actuation) but it was super responsive in wireless. I love custom keyboards; they feel and sound so much better than many "gaming" keyboards but my experience is that their wireless latency is high enough that I can feel it while typing, and I am not a particularly fast typist. I end up using them in wired only. I'm not a fan of Keychron. They used to be good but have fallen behind compared to some of their competition. If you don't like the gasket flex I would 3d print some PLA spacers to replace the gasket to make it more of a sandwich mount style. It won't be as stiff as plate, top, or tray mounts but it will give you less flex. The base plate is steel so it should be pretty stiff.
Jay, ‘the flex’ is a premium feature, the board is gasket mounted… more keyboard videos please :) if any of you use a 75 keyboard- try the ‘rainy75’ that bad boy is the thokiest beast and unofficially budget keyboard of the year…
I would argue a lot of other brands do it much worse to the point where it might as well not even be gasket mounted and it's there in name only for specks to sell it
I was just about to comment how all of your videos have too much of a bluish hue to them and then you mentioned that you don’t perceive the color blue correctly lol 😂
Hi Jay, the reason you couldn't make via to work is because you need a json config file available in their site to make it work, once you add it does recognize the keyboard and allows you to customize it. The keychron web page configurator is almost identical anyways, so I think is serves most purposes
Keychron makes some really nice boards. With a collection of over 12 premium boards, I use a V6 for writing daily. I don't know if it's the gasket mounted pcb, the switches, or what... It's just so comfortable and pleasing to type on.
I've been using a G915 close to 16 hour a day for 4 years and have had zero problems. I grew up using keyboards like the model M's everyone covets and I really like the G915.
The battery without lights last weeks. With lights on about 2 days. You can edit the .bin firmware to disable the numlock and caplock lights (that stay on always drainign the battery).
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Jay, the Keychron Q series keyboards are gasket mounted which is why you are seeing the flex when pushing down harder on the keys, that is by design and is meant to improve the feel and sound when typing normally.
I have a Q1 Pro, had to buy the extra foam kit to get the sound and feel I wanted.
This, Jay. This. 😅
If he doesn't want it to flex as much, he should have gotten the brass base plate.
I've had some gasket mounted keyboards and never felt any improvement on feel over the classic tray mount style. Maybe the force required to flex the PCB varies greatly between keyboard brands/models, but in my keyboards I only flex the PCB if I'm willing to do it (applying much more pressing force than normal).
On the other hand, gasket mount improves sound by taking the mounting contact points away from the keys, moving them to the sides and achieving a more consistent sound.
@@sys-administrator It doesn't feel mushy AT ALL though.
It comes with the Mac layout as standard, because PC people will know to swap them, and Mac people will take it back for a return. :)
LMAO you're not wrong! I don't think I've ever met a technical Mac user. I'm sure they exist...
@@Sonic6293 you kidding right? ask every coder they say they prefer mac os, just because you are an edgelord hosting a nas doesnt mean you are "technical"
Kek
@@Donkens really depends on which programmer you are asking.
Person developing apps for IOS and mac and person doing webdev using javaShit frameworks? sure.
Anything else, Choice is Linux first then windows.
I was just going to say the same. 😂
I bought a G915 a few years ago because of your video when you reviewed it. I went to MicroCenter and tried one out and love the way it feels compared to my crappy old one. It's like a mechanical chiclet style key feel sort of, which makes it super easy to transition between using it and using just my work laptop's keyboard when I'm on the go. I find the most useful feature of the G915, though, is being able to seamlessly control 3 different PCs without having to move receivers around. Wired into my gaming PC, wireless receiver in the media PC by the TV, and BlueTooth to my work laptop. The only thing I have to do is either plug/unplug the cable and/or press a button at the top. There may be more expensive, fancier, nicer keys out there, but I'm gonna run this G915 until it dies hah.
Same. I got my g915 after his video on it. Still love it.
Same here. Suddenly G915 is garbage??? I love it and i too will not change it till it dies
@@madavgis7 clickbait title, I feel the same about mine. Only thing I dislike is the usb-micro charging.
@@Pyreleaf true, this is annoying
Also have it, also love it, but only due to features. I would really prefer something with hot swappable key switches, but good luck finding one that's full-sized, low profile, including a volume wheel and supporting the ISO layout. Personally, I could not find one.
Keycron is that free hit the dealer gives you to get hooked except for mechanical keyboards
...oddly specific. lol
@MetabolicFrolic lol ya . But not what you think, former popo of 10years
Keychron. The real Gateway Drug.
For real. Quality inexpensive mechanical keebs are truly a gateway drug.
19:41 The Keychron Q series comes in 3 versions, the standard Q such as Q6 is wired only, the Q Pro also has BT and the Q Max has BT + 2.4Ghz. Your keyboard is the Q6 Max version.
17:38 the reason south facing RGB is a good thing is because it allows people to use normal keycap profiles. So it's not style, but function!
North facing RGB causes the plastic keycap to contact the switch EVERY TIME you press it, whereas with south facing it functions like normal without hitting the keyswitch. That's why people avoid boards with north facing switches, they are a pain in the ASS
North facing effects cherry profile typically only GMK caps.
Its only affecting the GMK Cherry profile keycaps not all is affected, I have an Aula f75 and its not showing on my end and switched the swithces to gateron milky yellow and the keycaps are still fine
@@ronskeebs It effected a few sets of mine and i tried changing switches but nothin worked. IFK 808, CTRL semitransparent, and Frontier chemical 001 didn't work with north facing for me. Which really sucked, because i wanted to build the Nuphy Field75 but couldn't cause the keycaps wouldn't work with the switches i set aside
I've never had a keyboard where the keys bottom out with north-facing LEDs, but my one south-facing keyboard I have to keep the LEDs at the lowest setting because otherwise I get blinded every time I look down to reset my hands.
@@Archpope south facing LED is literally my only complaint with my keychron v10.
The one in which Nick didn't bother explaining gasket mounting to his boss.. at all
Yes agree with the above comments. The flex is a feature of gasket mount keyboards. However what you notice about consistency in flex throughout the board can be improved in higher end boards. For a stiffer typing feel, and oftentimes for cheaper, you could look for tray mount or top mount keyboards.
The flex you are mentioning is actually a feature. The goal of this is to reduce the noise output of the keyboard and prevent the bottoming of the keys to resonate in the chassis.
If that was the case, it wouldn't just be in the corners.
Jay was mentioning sides do much flex than the other parts of the keyboard so the flex is uneven but surely Jay did what he can do to reduce the flex in the sides
@@Markknightexeter he probably didn't notice that it does flex everywhere but to a lesser degree. For example on mine it barely flex in the middle unless I use a lot of force.
@@ronskeebs yes that is to be expected
It's really not. Keychron makes decent keyboards but the execution of the gasket mount system they use isn't that great. That flex in the corners is a flaw by design. The flex also has more to do with the plate material than the gasket mount. My Q6 came with an aluminum plate. Its firm but still allows some flex. This is the same plate jay has. You can tell by the fact that it's black. A proper gasket mount system will be firmer in the corners and edges and have the most flex in the middle. This can be mitigated with using a different plate material such as Brass for a firmer feel or polycarbonate for even more flex.
The fact the G915 has MICRO USB! Was enough for me to immediately return it.
Big deal.
I love watching someone who doesn't really know keyboards, discover keyboards in a new way. I would love to see Jay do a collab with a Keyboard TH-camr, there has to be a couple near him...Hipyo is a bit far, but maybe could fly down for a weekend or something?
hipyo's a loose cannon and tto much for jay, lol, he'll be putting lava in the tray,lmao!!!!!! ahhhhh yeahhhh
You can find tester sample packs of various companies switch options, typically for about 20 bucks, and that is a great way to figure out what type of switches you like best.
Switches can run from $0.10 a switch, up to $2.00 a switch, which gets really expensive if you are kitting out a full 104 keys, so it is important to not regret that decision.
Anecdotally, the reason for "South facing" LEDs vs "North facing" LEDs is because back in the day Cherry style switches had a square ridge on the top (north) side that was designed to fit Cherry style Keycaps, with the LED on the bottom (South) side ... Well, for "North facing" LEDs, they just spin the entire socket 180° so that the LED is on top, which would put that ridge on the south side, and when you went to push a key: the keycap would hit that ridge and not actuate the switch.
Modern switches and keycaps have been redesigned so that no longer happens, but there is still a stigma in "the community" about north facing LEDs.
Personally, I think it is more of just a pretty rejection of North facing because all of the "gamer" keyboards have shine through RGB and North facing LEDs.
nice start, to make the corners not bend / flex (something the kb community loves, i do not) you will need to separate the pcb from the top plate and stuff more rigid foam in between - those extra spacers were for the springiness. i have several q6 / q6 pro models, where i fill the bottom of the case with resin + metal balls (2mm, about 5000-6000 of them) to make it much heavier. then stiffen up the space between the pcb and the aluminum plate, replace switches with the drop panda clear lubed, fill the bottoms of the the side print keys with resin, to make those heavier, and put it all together. great stuff! lmk if you'd like some photos / video of my work.
oh i forgot, first thing - the blue tape mod - look it up. essentially, you take blue painter's tape and apply layers to the bottom of the pcb. makes the sound much more thocc-like and more creamy. takes out the clackiness out of the pcb. you could also syringe lube the stabilizers for more creaminess - just don't overlube.
@@endorphinADMIN I did the tape mod and added some automotive sound deadener to the bottom of the case as well as lubing switches and straightening the stabilizers on my Q6. I think I did a few other things as well. Such a fantastic keyboard.
Not sure where all the hate for the G815/G915 comes from. I've had the G815 for a couple years now and it is solid. I've fully yanked the entire keyset twice for cleaning and everything is still as smooth as brand new. No issue with key clips, no wobbles and no flex. The very best part of the G815 is the low-profile keys and Keychron has no competitor for the G815 on that feature. Everything is subjective and tastes vary, but the hate bandwagons are just silly.
I love mine as well. My 915 is great and I do a Lot of typing for Post Grad Research and lots of gaming too. It's damn near perfect.
0:20 That voice crack tho😂
The battery might even be exchangable, but once the battery is dead, I'm sure the industry will have found a way to make this obsolete and you can't buy a new battery for this anymore. I'm so sick of that. I want normal AA batteries.
he said he uses it wired and it works with no battery, i know from experience
@@mainsource8030 Of course. I would expect that. But I haven't used cabled keyboards in decades and I don't want to. I bought expensive keyboards and that junk kept breaking, which is why I find the "garbage" so fitting. Now I use a "cheap" Cherry wireless and that thing will not break. But I still dream of a mechanical keyboard, that fits my needs.
They use a "standard" battery and have them available on their site.
Maybe less a standard battery and more just a common size for that type.
@@profosist Alright. So how likely is it, you will be able to buy AA rechargeables in 15 years and how likely is it, you can buy their "standard" battery then.
My brother in christ... I did the exact same swap a week ago. You were the reason I bought the G915 in the first place back in 2020. This shit is uncanny.
I run 2 G915 TKLs and have a Keychron Q3 sitting in my Amazon cart right now to replace one of them....this is heckin crazy.
Almost same. Though I switched from my g915 tkl to a k65 corsair
@@Wipeout54 No complaints about the g915 tbh. I liked it for what it is, but this keyboard is way nicer. Also swapping the keycaps because the stock ones are a bit to tall for my liking, but still really nice, and the battery life is something else. I Got it last friday, been in use for 12 hours a day and its still at 30% battery life with the backlighting turned on.
@@adamblyth9972 LIterally purchased it after finishing this video :)
Your brother in fictional character based out of the middle east?
Hi Jay, I'm glad you're having a good experience switching mechanical keyboard brands, because it seems we had the same issues with the same brand. In my case, it was a refurbished G512 that broke the LED on the “Z” key after two months of use.
At least it was still under warranty and I was able to exchange it, but after that I started looking beyond commercial keyboard brands and replaced it with an AULA F99. It was a bit more expensive and has an all-plastic build, but it's better than any keyboard LOGITECH sells right now: 8000mAh battery, wireless and Bluetooth, USB C, PBT keycaps, RGB, and hot-swappable switch.
The truth is that it's time to look at other peripheral brands because they offer better quality and many more features than the most recognized manufacturers who seem to have been determined to ask for more but not improve quality or offer more for what they sell.
Jay, usually to connect to VIA you need to download a json file from the manufacturer website.
Also I don't know if any one commented this already but Signal software can interfere with VIA if Signal recognizes the keyboard. I had this problem with a VIA compatible keyboard and VIA only worked after entering Signal and disabling the connection of Signal to the keyboard.
The 100% layout, rgb, low profile, high quality mechanical kb space is so severely lacking. Just tossing this out there. Currently have a Keychron V5 Max. It's okay, but I wish it had a knob and brighter lighting.
why diudnt you order the knobbed one, i agree with the lighting
I just did almost exactly the same upgrade! Went from a G910 to a Keycron Q3 HE + Q0. Absolutely loving the change - feels SO much better. I think the flex is intentional, as it avoids finger stress and carpal tunnel. On a lappy, you don't want flex as it means bad build quality, but on a keyboard they do a LOT of engineering to give it a bit of flex. Board is mounted on gaskets, etc.
I recently swapped to the V6 with Silent Reds from a store-bought mechanical Logitech with tactiles. The improvement is out of this world. If you haven't tried a proper GOOD keyboard, you're underestimating the gap. If you have, going back just isn't an option. These things are absolutely worth the 100-200 USD they ask for them.
welcome to the world of real mechanical keyboards
or not ^^
Just the beginning of the custom keyboard rabbit hole. They make big-box keyboards look completely obsolete.
Jay, in case you read my comment, as @WaaMac previously mentioned, the keyboard is gasket-mounted, which explains the slight flex-it's a design choice. If you're considering alternatives that align with your preferences mentioned in the review, I recommend checking out the Keychron K10 Max.
It's a robust keyboard with a classic mounting style (zero flex), no knob, additional foam and silicone for excellent noise suppression, and-best of all-it's made of high-quality plastic, which significantly reduces its price compared to the Q6.
I recently purchased the K10 Max, and I think it's an outstanding keyboard for its price-a true masterpiece!
Solid choice, I switched to a Keycron a couple of years ago, got a TKL for my gaming set up and another full size board for my workstation.
3:48 That "Blue" keycap IS grey
nah mate thats blue, for sure...
@@Xenoray1 looked white and gold to me
It has clearly visible blue tint.
It's a blueish shade of grey.
In guy colors, it is indeed grey. The enter key was "blue".
Yeah I've also relucantly bought this keyboarad several months ago. I was really hesitant, because I'm quite picky when it comes to mice and keyboards but I absolutely love it.
"No seriously, in a pinch, you could weaponize this thing"
We know JayZ2C is playing World of Warships while the zombie apocalypse hits.
Man I’m still using my Corsair Vengeance K65 Compact with old Cherry MX Red switches. Been using it for almost a decade now and it’s looking like I’ll get at least another decade out of it. When you find the right mechanical keyboard for you, there’s no going back.
I had no idea they've been making those for so long!
Keychron V1 was my first from them, amazing quality and thock even as their entry level
The mechanical keyboard rabbithole is endless, at least until you find your own off point.
For me it was the IBM Model M (specifically the 122 key terminal variants running through a modern VIAL converter)
I remember your review of the G915 and was really looking to try it but wouldn’t give the 250. Last year I got one for 150. I never got used to it. It’s a fine keyboard but I don’t like the feel. I surely prefer even my Roccat Aimo 121 better but kept using it (buyer’s remorse I guess).
All year I have been looking over keyboards and thought about a Keychron. Imagine my surprise just as I pulled the trigger on a Q6 max myself your Microcenter video came up next day!
Really a different world altogether, can’t begin to describe how happy I am I went through with it.
If I manage now to sell my Logitech to recoup some of that €€ I will be even happier.
I needed a new keyboard and one of my friends told me to get a Womier SK75 and I didn't understand why. After using it once, I totally got it and now am completely in the hobby. I'm sure Nick can guide you. If you do like the hobby, try the QK100 or Zoom98. They are full size keyboards that are much higher quality and very enjoyable.
Oh, one other thing is you'll find that the nicer keycaps are not shine through, so I got a light hat goes above my monitor for late night sessions.
Also forgot to mention that Keychron is the gateway keyboard for many, but it's overpriced for what you get. Think of it as your Ryzen 5. If you want to be all in, you;'ll be on a Ryzen 7 or 9. You'll start to learn that as you get a little more in.
17:32 one thing you have to know about south facing rgb is it's because of the switches orientation. If the switch is in south facing style, the south part of it is actually the softly angled part. That soft angle aligns with the keycaps soft angle at the south part of the keycaps. This makes it so that the keycap only hits the top part of the switch's body and apparently makes the more deeper sound. If the pcb has north facing style, the switches will be flipped and the soft angled part of the keycap can hit (doesn't happen all the time and it depends on what keycap style) the right angle part of the of the switch's body and makes a higher ping sound. I'm also new to this keyboard thing and as a gamer I noticed that the priority is sound before rgb.
Jay you should check in with RandomFrankP for all this the man is a goat level collector for keyboards.
Also the flexing is supposed to be a feature and not a flaw, the rubber/foam pieces you used are called gaskets and they basically are stuck to the perimeter of the KB plate to reduce the metal on metal contact, which in turn reduces the pinging sound of the metals.
I bought one a few months back. It's honestly such a great option for a fully assembled keyboard. I am someone who uses the 10key regularly. So i was so happy to find a full keyboard option. This is my entry into the "Modable" keyboard world. I personally think it's just right for me.
12:35 I bought myself an ifixit (one of the smaller ones) and it's fantastic, been helping me finally screw in things because I realized I had no screwdrivers here. The downside is free shipping at $95 while most of their parts are super cheap so you won't really hit that free shipping point.
LMAOOO the comments telling Jay about all the "features" of the board that he thought were defects 🤣🤣
4:35 in best Fawlty Towers tradition - Flowery Twats, Warty Towels, Flay Otters, Watery Fowls, Fatty Owls and Farty Towels!
I always thought only the IBM Model M was good enough a keyboard for weaponizing. Well, new stuff here!
Thanks for the review. I bought a WASD Keyboards full size keyboard many years ago and it was about $200. Your Keychron looks like a good deal for the money. I think my next mechanical keyboard will be a split model, like the ZSA Voyager or Moonlander, or go wild with the Moergo Glove80. The split keyboards are supposed to be better at reducing repetitive strain injury (and I've had coworkers who said their split keyboards completely relieved their RSI)
the iFixit meme at 12:40 had me dying
I bought the V6 earlier this year, which is kinda the wired version of what you got. It is my first fully mechanical and hot-swappable keyboard and I don't think I could be happier with my purchase. I got the barebones version and got silent keychron brown switches with a set of cherry profile double-shot pbt caps colored royal blue. Altogether, it was only about $115 or so, not too bad for a good entry mechanical and customizable keyboard.
Jayz gaming mats are expensive with taxes and shipping🙄
I bought some items from Niantic a few times, and it's quite expensive shipping to Norway. If the item costs 80-86 dollars, the cost of freight, taxes, and customs handling made the price practically double...
Had a G815 (wired version of the 915) for a while. Though it was great. Switched to a wireless custom keyboard which costs $100 less and it's magnitudes better. Never touching anything other than custom keyboards again.
For those curious: Nuphy Air96 V2 Wisteria keys that I lubed myself.
Not a keyboard modder. I mod enough stuff in my life. I bought a G915 TKL after I had shoulder surgery so I could keep gaming. I liked it so much after I recovered, I went and bought the full size one for my gaming PC, and put the TKL on my Plex server.
a buttery gasket mounted keeb with a pp plate, force break and tape mod, good stabs, will literally make your quality of life go up
I'm pretty sure everyone else has commented about the gaskets but this video triggered me. The trigger was actuated with minimal force. The acoustics of the trigger were full of ping and scratch.
Have a Logitech G513 Carbon bought 5 years ago. The first time I cleaned my keyboard with a soft brush, the keys started breaking, if I knocked a key by accident it would break (the four little weak plastic lugs inside.) Then as time went by the RGB keys started failing one by one. Cost me a lot of money when I bought it. My brother just buys cheap £20 keyboards, even though he has had more keyboards, it's cost him a fraction of what I payed for a premium keyboard. I'm going cheap from now on.
what a coincident, I just bought a Keychron to upgrade my Logitech last night. going from a G413 to a K8.
I don't exactly hate my logitech, it's comfortable enough used with a wrist rest and I don't really need a lot of features from a keyboard, just solid fundamentals.
But Jesus Mary and Joseph this thing is *impossible* to keep clean. The brushed aluminum is the worst grime magnet I've ever seen a piece of tech be in my LIFE. Worse that the old 360 pads you'd neglect unless your friends came over.
Keyboards is a whole other rabbit hole you can get lost down.
I upgraded to this exact same keyboard a few months ago from a Logitech G series and love it! Just on your issue with VIA not connecting, I ran into the same thing and noticed the website was reporting some errors.
Fix for that was to remove my keyboard from the USB hub I was using and plug it directly into the PC and VIA was able to connect immediately.
I'd love to see you guys start a segment on custom keyboards. There's a lot to go into and once you have a custom keyboard that matches your custom pc with lights and preferred switches, there's just no going back.
Given you're blue colorblind, you might want to check out the gemstone keys from Drop. I love the way the feel and the color is really clean and solid.
Spending $200 on a device you make a living on, if you work from home, should be justifiable. Even if you're only using it in the evening when home, it should hold value still as a purchase.
I used to spend 8 hours a day for 19 years typing on an IBM Model F and then an M (including the battlecruiser). Good days.
my favourite of the Bentley Girl rifs is the guy in Europe using a hand puppet of Donald the Duck going "Citroen" in a really good Donald the Duck voice and comparing the two, its hilarious
I have the Q12 Southpaw carbon black and it is amazing! The quality and build is very good. I like how a lot of these companies are making custom out-of-the-box keyboards (with lubed switches, gasket mounts, foam, good quality stabilizers) for the ones who don't have the patience to build their own. Of course nothing beats a fully custom keyboard but these are still pretty dang good.
I had a TH-camr dropped on my feed about keyboards. It was interesting but usually keyboards way outside my budget. But I did find one thanks to him and bought it. The keys are quiet, the case is HEAVY so it does not move at all, and the keycaps are lovely.
Oh, and Jay, there are some really good options for a lot less these days as well, but if you like the full size, that might leave you with a lot fewer options to choose from...but good mechanical boards have gotten really affordable in the last year or so. I really do want to see a collab video where Jay spends a day with a KeebTuber who can really get into the details with him...maybe bring a bunch of different boards at different price ranges and feature sets just to show Jay what all is out there...would be a fun video to watch IMO and there is a lot of crossover in the fanbases anyway.
5:48 I have an older model keychron board and having the hot swappable switches was a life saver! After 2+ years I had a single switch start to fail. An entire new set of switches was like $20. I could have just replaced one, but I did all of them in less than an hour.
I have multiple Keychrons including a Q3. I suggest switching to a different style plate, I'm using a pom. I've also tried different style switches and keycaps, I've managed to come up with a perfect creamy marbly sound that I love. Even my wife is into mechanical keyboards now.
I used to wash my mid 90’s mechanical keyboard in the dishwasher. Still works to this day.
Great to hear about your experience with the Q6. I started with the Keychron K4 to try the 96% layout for work and overall like it.
And then the rabbit hole opened up. 😅 I chased a K3 JIS to better learn to type Japanese as I learn the language, experimented with the Q0 Pro, and now replaced a Corsair K95 Platinum with the Lemokey L3. I'll be changing over the Kailth Copper switches on that board. But now that I've tried other silent switches... I'm in deep bros. 😔
Quick Tip: the Mac/Windows switch toggles between layers that are configurable. So You can reconfigure your Mac mode to be customized for a purpose. For example a game mode with useful functions grouped around the navigation keys, or a creator could have hot keys for an application they constantly use.
Yea, I bought the G915 after watching your videos. Used it for about 5 min. Hate the feel of the keys and they are too low. I am used to old school keyboards as I learned on IBM Selectric typewriters, IBM mainframe dumb terminals and their keyboards, and the early IBM/Microsoft PC keyboards. Yes, I am very old. I need to feel that I am pressing the key. Neuropothy in my fingers doesn't help. Got a Razer Blackwidow v4 Pro to replace it, but not all that happy with it. The software is buggy and sometimes the keyboard will not light up and it is impossible to read the keys to enter my password when my room is low light. I looked at the Keychron, but I am a hands on person. I like to see and feel before I buy. Unfortunately all of the computer stores are gone in AZ. We are stuck with Best Buy and the internet. Thanks for the review video. Might have to go shopping again. Glad I did not pay the full MSRP price for the G915
If you still like loud clicky IBM boards, they are still in production. A company called Unicomp rose from the ashes of Lexmark selling off their keyboard division in the 90s and continues to make the model m to this day with a few revisions along the way (the "new model m" has USB, windows keys and a somewhat smaller case, but its still the same buckling spring switch).
Alternatively its not too difficult to breathe life back into an old classic with a bolt mod and a programmable converter.
I love the feel of my G915. Honestly you get used to it quite quickly and then it's great. Try a typing trainer for a couple days to help that.
Using the Q6 as well w/ yellow keys. Best keyboard I've ever used.
**Laughs in 2005 HP workstation electric keyboard that's faded and dirty asf lol.**
i feel attacked with the old man comment with the white LED choice... haha
I went to the Logitech keyboards because they were better and consistent when switching between computers.
I agree that getting a keyboard that's solid and good keys are important, especially if you're a coder/developer.
Of course, I started using a Cherry keyboard as part of a CRT way back before many here were born... Around the time Baker founded MicroCenter in the strip mall on Lane Ave.
The keychron keyboard is like the honda civic of keyboards. It will work for everyone, but is still modifiable for people that want a little more out of it
I bought a V6 MAx, which is the plastic version of the Q6 Max after my Logitech G613 died, and man do I love it. Super good deal. As for your keyboard not linking with VIA you might have to download the firmware for it and add it to VIA. I had to with the V6.
south-facing rgb is also because certain Keycap-profiles (og cherry i think) can interfere with the switch when its mountet the other way arround. So the switch is rotated and the LED moved to the south
Originally, Cherry MX switches were never intended for north-facing mounting. You can tell by the orientation of the Cherry branding. It was meant for built-in indicator LEDs like Capslock and Numlock.
When Jay said 5:53 I cringed XD
250$ for a keyboard and you need different keycaps ? Pwhahaha, yeah, no.
Liked the Keychron for a lot of reasons but it was too tall for my use. Picked up the Nuphy96 and it was right in the sweet spot size and shape wise.
If the Keychrons fit you, I can't see you being unhappy. HOWEVER, do not buy direct. Their return policy requires shipping overseas. Amazon or such will be much more reasonable if you need to return.
I was about to buy the G915 since I saw the video you did about it, but then I decided better to buy a Cooler Master MK700, I was looking for backlight and wireless so I thought it was a really good option since it was like $90 USD at the time of purchase, so I bought it and it feels really good to type on it the double gaskets makes all the difference for me, at the end I changed all the switches from red to Browns and also changed the key caps for pudding style with a color theme of grey/blue and I really am very please with the looks/sound/feel of this little keyboard that even where is it haves the numpad, and roller control it is really compact so I love it even more!!
I have to warn other programmers out there, or anyone who uses function keys all day. The knob changes the placement of the function keys. All of the keys are shifted leftwards slightly. Once you get used to it, it's okay. But it does take some getting used to. Still worth it to have the knob tho.
The flex is by design.. its called "gasket mount" and wanted that way xD
I have the Wooting 60HE and 80HE with the L60v2 switches and PBT keycaps.
I really enjoy them and can just confirm, that a lot of ppl dont know what they are missing out on.
Its also the first time i started modding/working on my keyboards, i handlubed all the L60v1.5 switches of my 60HE to make it sound and feel better and replaced the 60g springs in my 80HE with 80g ones xD
The Lekker V2s dont need extra lubing, since their tolerances are way better than the V1(.5)s
I got my first Keychron keyboard at the start of September. (the K10 Pro - essentially the same as Jay's wireless board without the dial) It was on sale at Micro Center for $100. Hooked it up to my work PC because of how great it felt to type on. Since then, I've replaced a few old Logitech boards, using a C2 Pro (full-size) and a couple of C3 Pros (TKL). I suspect they come set up for Mac because having to swap some keycaps might be asking too much from the typical Mac user... I've had problems with the VIA website recently too, so thanks for showing the other site. That worked perfectly.
Jay how do you like the edifier speakers ?
Mid. Get proper monitor speakers not cheap gamery cra p that cost 10 cents on the dollar to make.
I use a wired Keychron K3 for several years now. Solid device. Good, not intrusive lighting options. Zero regrets. If this one will ever break a keychron will replace it.
I just bought a Steelseries Apex 7 TKL Red because my old Logitech has been failing for months. Very happy so far.
Jay, if you want a wired, non-RGB mechanical keyboard, with absolutely no flex, I highly recommend the DAS Keyboard Professional line, which is price comparable. I have two of these keyboards, one for home, and one for work( the work keyboard has blank keycaps so no one can mess with my PC :) )
I got the Wooting 80HE this tuesday, I can recommend it to anyone. (already had the 60HE before that)
It definetly sounds better then the Keychron... the 80HE is much lower pitched.
@@gucky4717 this is very subjective to be honest
Wooting response it's freaking cool
I have the 60HE as well
First time gaming fps I was amazed
@@angeloaraya8157 speed yes, the technology is somehow superior. But feel and sound is arguably worse for the majority of people, and it doesn't feel as premium as other similar priced kits. It really comes down to how much you really want the hall effect switches and the best software around to properly tailor them on your needs which of course is worth someting
@@oimazzo2537 You mean the sound? Not really. I know that the sound from the keyboard in the video is louder then in person.
I've had several keyboard now. From the old rubberdome, to blue and brown clicky switches, to linear silver/red and now 2x wootings with 60 Lekker v1 and v2 and my 80HE with v2 is the first one without any high pitch/ping sounds. Only the spacebar is a bit high sounding, but the others are more like thock.
The only other that came close was a low profile rubberdome keyboard.
Between the 60HE with plastic case and the 80HE with zinc case now is also a big sound difference.
For the price, the Q Max series is a major rip off. You can get just as good of a keyboard for almost half the price and then you can use the extra budget to customize it more to your liking.
G710+ 4 life! 😂🤣 My main issue when it comes to upgrading my keyboard is... past the nostalgia, my G710+ works fine no double presses ect. and I'm a tight ass! 🤣🤣
If it breaks then I will change it 😅
I have been using my cheap red dragon keyboard for 6 years. It has an all metal frame, 0 flex at all, and haven't had any of the included switched die. It is also hot swappable, I put blue switches on my gaming keys and about a year ago switched to pudding keycaps. The only real downside it that it has the bar type stabilizer on the space bar. I can't imagine spending $250 on a keyboard.
Don't start modding it. It's a rabbit hole that you don't need to go down, you will loose touch with society and your family will leave you.
Keychron has a lot of room for modifications like tape modding while it already has many foam layers and tape modding will take away the flex completely.
You can fit more foam or what I like to use, car sound dampening mat to fill in the hollowness of the bottom case.
19:40 Keychron has wired-only boards, you just had to buy the most kitted out of the bunch. Like many people said that Esc side flex is a feature called gasket - basically a shock absorber for the typing. And south-facing LED is the better version of the two types we got I've never seen any board with perimeter lighting like you want. Basically you could have been fine with like a C2 for 50 bucks for your needs
So I started with a G613 also and I had mixed feelings about it. The switches were weird(very inconsistent actuation) but it was super responsive in wireless. I love custom keyboards; they feel and sound so much better than many "gaming" keyboards but my experience is that their wireless latency is high enough that I can feel it while typing, and I am not a particularly fast typist. I end up using them in wired only. I'm not a fan of Keychron. They used to be good but have fallen behind compared to some of their competition. If you don't like the gasket flex I would 3d print some PLA spacers to replace the gasket to make it more of a sandwich mount style. It won't be as stiff as plate, top, or tray mounts but it will give you less flex. The base plate is steel so it should be pretty stiff.
Jay, ‘the flex’ is a premium feature, the board is gasket mounted… more keyboard videos please :) if any of you use a 75 keyboard- try the ‘rainy75’ that bad boy is the thokiest beast and unofficially budget keyboard of the year…
Shape of the "ENTER" is a no go for me. It has to be a two row height button. I hate those single height wide ones.
PS: the keyboard flexes like that because it's gasket mounted, but as it's keychron, it's poorly done, so the corners sink in.
I would argue a lot of other brands do it much worse to the point where it might as well not even be gasket mounted and it's there in name only for specks to sell it
I was just about to comment how all of your videos have too much of a bluish hue to them and then you mentioned that you don’t perceive the color blue correctly lol 😂
its pretty light considering what custom keyboards are up to without being a 100% layout.
Hi Jay, the reason you couldn't make via to work is because you need a json config file available in their site to make it work, once you add it does recognize the keyboard and allows you to customize it. The keychron web page configurator is almost identical anyways, so I think is serves most purposes
Keychron makes some really nice boards.
With a collection of over 12 premium boards, I use a V6 for writing daily.
I don't know if it's the gasket mounted pcb, the switches, or what... It's just so comfortable and pleasing to type on.
I've been using a G915 close to 16 hour a day for 4 years and have had zero problems. I grew up using keyboards like the model M's everyone covets and I really like the G915.
The battery without lights last weeks. With lights on about 2 days.
You can edit the .bin firmware to disable the numlock and caplock lights (that stay on always drainign the battery).