3 Poker Plays For Beating Nits | SplitSuit
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SplitSuit dives into 3 plays you can add into your #poker playbook to make more money against nits. These simple additions are built around basic logic that exploits the frequency issues in their strategy. If you are still using a nitty strategy yourself, listen to this podcast episode explaining why nitty play is killing your winrate: redchippoker.com/nit-poker-bad...
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that moment you watch a video of how to crush nits and then realize these strategies have been used successfully against you for longer than you want to admit....
I think the hardest and most important piece of advice is not feeding into the nit. It can be hard to fold strong hands but I always like to remember that hand strength is always relative to the board and player.
So true.
Yeah that spot with AQ on A high board facing a raise on the flop or turn is probably well known by all poker players. You are not the slightest surpriced, when you get shown his set. And yet for some reason you felt, you had to call him down. Been there done that. And even quite recently, if I am honest.
I´ve been called a nit before! But I don´t wait for aces all the time! I play ten, nine suited four handed in position!....
That's the hardest one, yeah.
How DARE you make a video to crush ME? :)
I play like a nit; when people start realizing that and play aggressively towards me, I can change up my strategy and do things like probe betting a strong hand, 3-betting, raising w/ bluffs/semi-bluffs, etc. Mindlessly doing these strategies against a nit can result in large losses, especially barreling repeatedly or 3-betting
Yeah this seems like bad advice
4) Value bet less thinly against nits. If their calling range is super strong then you won't be beating 50% of their call range as often. It sucks and can be boring but beating nits requires winning lots of small pots.
Thanks James for all your videos. Love the content
Very good video and well explained.
Thx James
Hi James!
Great video as always, keep doing them. Thanks!
Thanks Marian, and will do!
Beautifully crafted presentation, James. A real pleasure to watch. Nice work! Creating with a computer is a lot like playing a musical instrument, isn't it...
I will try to remember to punish those darn nits and keep out of their evil traps. As for me, I'll go in with 97-suited it it's cheap enough, and I might even bet on it...:). With my luck I'd have to wait all week for AA and KK to come along...:)
Dude james this video was great. informative and funny. The mental image of nits staring each other down across the table was lol
Thanks again for awesome video James!!
You're very welcome Jonaxe =)
Good general advice, but players aren't always that mechanical. They will fire semi bluffs back at you now and again if you keep bullying them, even at 2nl. Careful about trusting a HUD too much against weak players.
Could you make a mini-series for the other playing types?
this 100%
I watch a lota poker guys & your out in front. Even Doug Polk..who is great and maybe it's apples and oranges...but I really like your stuff. For a couple of years now. I should review it all since I'm probably missing out on lots I should remember. Thanks Man. Wm.in Vancouver.
Thanks for the lesson, I appreciate that you offer this for free
You're very welcome Susan!
Obv the 2 most important things is to steal them a lot and to be very fold happy against their bets. But to maximize the edge there are quite a few additional things to keep in mind once your agressive approach is obvious to them : most bad nits will very often induce/slowplay on very dry boards against your agressive style, even with relatively weak and vulnerable hands like tptk. On the other hand they will almost never slowplay strong hands on wet board for more than one barrel -> third barrel occasionally wet boards full pot or overbet (increasing sizings each street) & and dont steal often on dry boards, steal mostly in position and always bet small on flop or turn, only bet big on river, but in the other hand don t slowplay strong hands on dry board, you might miss a lot of value, bet fast and big.
And careful of good nits : some players play nit when the field is fishy as it s very profitable and doesn t require much efforts, but will quickly and smartly adapt to your attempts at exploiting that (most bad nits think they do that, but they don't :P). If you start getting outplayed by them, just start playing rather nitty as well in pots involving them (rather a GTO taking into account their very tight pf ranges, if you will).
Very good Job, i love all your videos ♥
- 3:30 you show and speak about 80% foldequity (showing a 20% range) but there are 2 players behind us --> maybe it would be better to show SB vs BB or a combined calculation which includes the SB
- 4:20 perfect Spot, maybe a bit too perfect :)) Would you fire it through on a 2d on the Turn?
- 6:08 i 100% agree
yes you should with JT because keep this in mind that he has no monsters and you can rep a river over card or flush card. You don't need a lot of fold equity on the turn in that spot since you have so much equity. There is a lot more but this is the idea in it's infant form but i rather not be the teacher and maybe just open your eyes to an idea.
Thank you for the video. As always super stuff! Don't you think many (even extreme ones) NITs at microstakes are actually quite STICKY postflop and we can value bet them more than you mention in your vid and bluff them less than you mention in your vid ? What I mean by this is ... I feel there are ton of NITs, who can be even EXTREMELY nitty, but MOSTLY preflop.
There are definitely a lot of people at micros that will only play hole cards with two face cards, but then will call two streets in the hope of hitting their card. May even call three barrels with Ace high. They over-value high cards' showdown value
What's a cooler?
I play all styles and it relates to my stack size. I had a guy sit down with 3000 chips at my 1 2 table. He came from the 25/50 game. Now late at night my poker room allows this usually can only have 200. This dude actually played like a nit.
I'm playing around with the fold% needed in your second example and just want to make sure I'm looking at this the right way.
When nit folds, we win $105. When nit calls and we whiff, let's say we shut down and lose $75. When nit calls we have about 17% equity against 77/99/KQ/AK/Ah9h, and let's discount the implied extra money won to $50 to account for the times that nit folds on river.
Using these numbers, we only need to get folds ~18% of the time. Is this right? If so, it makes it seem like a no-brainer to double barrel with any non-gutshot draw in almost all situations.
This article will help you with the math part: www.thepokerbank.com/strategy/plays/semi-bluff/examples/
But overall, barreling is quite profitable in tons of situations, yes.
These calculations only tell us, if barreling is more profitable than folding. They dont tell us, if barreling is more profitable than checking. If we have complete air, we are almost never going to win the pot, unless we turn our hand into a bluff. So in that situation it is perhaps fair to say, that the expected EV of checking is zero. And if barreling is +EV, then we should go ahead and barrel. However if we have hand with some equity or potential, like even just an overcard, then we cant say, that barreling is the best line to take, just because its +EV. It might well be, that checking is even more +EV. This will depend on the situation, the opponent type, etc.
I disagree with the statement that we only win big pots from them when we cooler them. I find that they will stack off with that big over pair they have been waiting 300 hands for. Especially if we have a decent image.
fightinirish1211 thats uhhhh literally the definition of a cooler... 🤷🏼♂️ 🤦♂️
I play really nitty in live casino tournaments. however, that strategy will only last til level 5/level 6. after that time is against you because antes really kill you without a few big hands.
thanks! Now I can counteract people who hate TAGs
That's right. Just because I have a hyper tight preflop strategy and pot control/low variance are my friends, I want you to just assume you can run me over or that my big bets always mean strength. Good thinking. I like that. Let me know how it works out for you...
Nits dont bluff. You arent a nit. The nits around here limp ak and jj. Only reraise with kk or aa. Never bet without at least top pair. And they do not bluff.
overview, bet, bet, bet vs. nits and fold to their bet or raise
Negative EV :(
thank you
You're very welcome.
yes thank you
A lot of the time people tend to mislabel them. Especially when playing live. It's easy to play for an hour and not see a hand, or have table dynamics that force the TAGs to tighten up. However, the biggest mistake people make against them is the inability to fold when faced with aggression, or making bad bluffs against them. Like when a blank comes on the turn or river.
People say I'm a nit. but none of that is going to beat me. I adjust fast, and if someone is doing this to me it's very easy to spot and start calling lighter and re-bluff.
Then you wouldn't be a true nit - you'd be closer to a TAG.
You said nits play super tight like AA, KK AK so wouldn't it be a bad idea to raise them preflop
Not at all. It means they are folding a ton preflop - which means we can get them to relinquish their equity a super large chunk of the time.
If you play online poker, a nit will typically run something like 9/8. Which mean they play 9% of hands and raise 8% of hands. 8% of hands is quite a lot more than just AA, KK, AK, so they have hands, they can and will fold to a 3-bet. However if someone is playing like 9/3, meaning he only raise 3% of hands, then of course that player is not someone, you want to 3-bet or even call very liberally. But that player type is rare, at least online.
that is a bit extreme because nits play about a 12-15% vpip now days and maybe 8-10% in 2005
As a bit of a nit I found this really good advice. However, I have actually had a lot of success playing nitty at $2/$2 live pub poker cash games where most players are as loose as they come. I wonder if that's a particular context in which being more nitty is actually beneficial? (bluffing is usually too dangerous in these games)
That's one of the rare conditions (especially if there are shallow stacks) where nitty can be alright =)
Cool - I'll just try TAG it up a bit more when playing decent opponents. I must also say, as my first comment on a video of yours, thank you for all your amazing content. You are one of the best poker analysts I've seen, and you explain concepts clearly every time. A huge help indeed! :)
You're very welcome and thank YOU for the kind words =)
I just use a nit comb mostly
When you barrell the flop and they call, do you really think they will fold the turn enough to justify another barrel?
My experience until now was that if a nit calls the flop they will also call a turn and river barrel, or even shove on me as they will always hit the flop and wont give up.
You have to make that decision early. It's very possible they are so tight to the first barrel that you can fire a single shot. But it's very related to texture and if they fold any TP/strong second pair combos...
In my experience, I'd say that most players don't think much of a c-bet any more. Too many players automatically c-bet the vast majority of flops. Most nitty players seem to know a c-bet doesn't necessarily mean anything, but they fold pretty consistently to a turn bet. The main reason I c-bet a flop is to build a pot, not to generate folds at that time.
I view the cbet the same. I use it more to build a pot than I do to take down a pot. At my local card room, I find once a nit puts money in the pot, they seem very sticky.. primarily because their starting hands are so premium.
Fact: There is actually no solution to beating smart nits.
nits get crushed in mtts
@@VinnieKirK123 Everyone gets crushed in MTTs if they get sucked out on in final tables for 9th-6th throughout the years of grind. MTTs are for the blessed retards.
Takiowns Poker a baseball bag will do well
Luckily, you don't need to beat the nit. You need to get the free money from the table before the nit finds a hand to stack the fish. Getting involved in a hand with a fish and a nit, ......
I am aided immeasurably by having nowhere to play.
I feel like I might be alittle,nitty but I think it has to do with the fact that I don't have a bankroll that comfortable supports my level do you think that may be a possibility?
It doesn't get lower then 1-2 that's the problem
Sure it is, especially if you think it is. How many buy-ins do you have to play poker with?
I usually buy in with 80 but it's never enough. I would like to buy in with 200being 5% of my roll which means I would need 4000 but if I have that kind of money I would start playing tournaments. Don't really like cash game
You can't buy in with 40bbs and play normal poker, short stacking is a whole other strategy. You have to fold hands that need deep pots, like 54s, one gappers etc. Additionally you need to be willing to 3bet and stack off with a wide range of hands
Varheim Yes, I'm not promoting it, just explaining. It's a highly mathematical way of playing, and certainly not something for inexperienced players.
Playing nitty with a small stack is a horrible combination, the times you hit a monster, there isn't enough stack behind to win a monster pot.
being a nit has helped my table image so much.
They get mad at me and don't realize how much i actually do bluff lol.
sometimes i fold the best hand though :(
if you bluff alot how you can be a nit?
@@adjeputinisaking4023 a smart nit steals pots sometimes by exploiting image. Being a nit doesn't mean they can't make plays
@@dxfifa dude a `NIT dont bluff alot period ....
@@adjeputinisaking4023 you're in for a surprise kid. Nits can easily be tricky and aggressive players. They just fold a lot both pre and post.
Nits don't raise/call thin value or with a float. Doesn't mean a good nitty player can't know what he looks like and be aware. Then make exploitative bluffs.
Nit doesn't mean bad. Nits aren't always fish or donkeys. Some very tight players are very good
@@dxfifa and ofc a nit can be aggressive ,but he wont bluff alot period if you cant understand that you brain is to small i guess
The problem with labeling players “nits” is that it’s very easy to mislabel them. I’ve been called a nit, which was great, I’ve made a lot of money off of that image. The reality is, the best poker players play like “nits” at times...when it’s warranted. There are times when table dynamics and player styles will determine how you should play and there’s a time/place for all player styles.
My kids have nits
What is a nit?
...hmmm, next time watch the video :)
In a cash game, if I'm at a table filled with nits and weak/tights, or the table is short handed, I get laggier pre. Am I typically laggy at low stakes full ring? No. If you plugged me into one of those online stat trackers I'd probably be something like 15/14 vpip/pfr. The fact is that in most low stakes full ring games, nitty is typically right. Not only that, but you can occasionally abuse your image to make well timed raises that have a very high chance to succeed when they think a 3-bet from you is only AA or KK, even though they don't take into account that it hasn't gone unnoticed that they are opening wider than the grand canyon, there's dead money in between, and I like money. Or, stick a semi-bluff raise in post and even though you figure to be behind, your fold equity is massive.
too hard to understand 😪
Damn it....IM A NIT!
What you said it's pure theory that might work online, but live, in full ring games... It's basically impossible to exploit them.
Did you watch the video? It's super easy to exploit them, it's just largely in smaller pots where they give up too often.
@@ThePokerBank Yes. But the problem is (at least where I play) we play full ring and a standard raise is 5-10x... So trying to exploit them is costly. + very rarely everyone folds to the button.
In 6max they are easy to crush, but in full ring with such raises... Impossible.
@@mihailudusan2950 I still suspect there are opportunities, but yes, they will incur extra risk =)
An ace on the board is one of those spots where you want to be weary if a nit is in the hand.
banana403 yup I’ve been hammered in situations where I’ve raised preflop large and had KK for example and it turns out I’m up against A 6 off for example and they hit an ace. Hare people who see an ace in their hand and they’ll call whatever you put in
i dont grind, I win!!
This video is all about the nitty gritty of poker.
NIT here. I suck.
The problem isn't beating nits or beating lags it's beating a table of 4 of each
In live cash games most nits dont fold, make bottom set or even bottom 2 to beat their TPTK and theyll start showing some respect. Barreling with no equity against an OMC whos been sitting there for 40 min waiting for Aces is super fishy.
why cant you find a video where they just SAY IT IN THE SAME VIDEO
Do you really want to watch a 294 hour long video? Poker is complex.
Barrel versus someone who has a extremely strong range, WORST ADVICE EVER
It's way too general of a statement. Bluff scarecards, sure, but barreling off when turns and rivers doesn't change the board is setting money on fire. The money isn't made from barreling off and going all in on the river, it's made from stealing their blinds and cbetting the flop. You don't win big pots versus nits, you win many small ones.
Steal wide, cbet most boards, barrel if overcards hits. Abuse their fit or fold with smaller cbets and bluffs. That's good advice
I certainly don't feel like I said "OMG BARREL EVERY CARD EVER OMG LOL AND DON'T EVEN TRY TO THINK ABOUT RANGES OR ANYTHING OMG LULZ"
LUL
You're right and i call that the monsters under the bed syndrome. I always said nits look for a reason to fold and they fear monsters so i will show them monsters and watch them fold. I been doing this barreling them so often for many years. I learned this because i used to be a nit my self.
If they ever play there monster hands fast on flop or turn then there river ranges they fold so freaking often that it could change what your saying or thinking about. just my 2 cents
I play like a nit at a $1/2 game of loose drunkards. Why wouldn't you? Why not sit back and wait on their stupidity or give them rope to hang themselves?
Wanna know a different way to crush nits (also known as rocks)? Throw paper at them! Paper always beats rock! HA!
Bad nits who won't let go of tptk/overpairs on any board texture are hard to bluff, trust me. Make sure they're above level 1 thinking before implementing any of this, LMAO.
You can't beat me
Nits beat themselves by blinding out and losing to rake.
Best advice become a chameleon and disguise your play based on table dynamics.
NITS are easy to stack
I hate giving nits any action when they finally do play a hand.
...wha...? My plan is to cooler the heck out of people
He was sitting at the wrong Booth.
nit
[nit]
NOUN
the egg or young form of a louse or other parasitic insect, especially the egg of a head louse attached to a human hair.
I can be honest with myself, I’m a nit
You can’t beat nits. They beat themselves. They are nit because they don’t want to be beat by you.
If u barrel against a nit and he calls, you just lost money. If you play as if he were normal, you will lose even more money. Im always skeptical of these people that teach poker. They acomplish nothing but allow to leach off of an udience of amateur players based on some loose justification that they have made money. This guy is just plain wrong.
I'm skeptical of people who provide incorrect advice in TH-cam comments...
Every game is situational, live has more situations, online has more number crunching and set scenario readings. What? you wanna back yourself up with stats for every hand? that lets people read your play like a book. You decide to deviate from the stats? thats not statistically profitable in the long run. In the end its a game of both skill and luck. The skill part is about 20% scenarios, 20% plays (bet size, position etc) and 60% deception. the luck part is just that, luck. You can teach people how you want, but it wont change play significantly.
Aside from my points, do you play heads up holdem for mid-high stakes live? Do you play live? I just wanted to know to see where you play to just have an idea and possibly run into you to play. (good for me because I will have a good time, and you will probably accept a challenge from me seeing as how I show that my plays are not "statistically profitable")
I play live. That said, your perception of the game is quite flawed and I wish you the best in your future endeavors.
I see. I would like to know how it is flawed so that I can adjust my perception in the future. A succinct explanation would suffice.
Read Poker's 1%
Steal what ! Blinds !! So stupid