Thanks for all the comments and support y'all! It's been really fun reading all of your different thoughts and reasonings for why you would have different characters higher or lower, the new perspectives are definitely a treat to hear. Really just goes to show how balanced the game is party member option wise :) Over the months since this video, I'm not sure if I'd change much of this. I'm still fairly confident in my own judging, but I think I'd swap Teddie and Yosuke though. The real challenge comes for making a video like this for P5R and P3 though, just y'all wait for those ones
Rise in Arena: Man It sucks I'm not as good as Fuuka with my Navi skills. Also Rise: Lemme just buff the party while also bringing you back from the brink of death like nothing happened.
Well it's called plot for some reasons To be honest If you ask who's the best navi between fuuka,rise,and futaba I'll answer Rise is the best one, not because of gameplay but it's because how she support us with her cheering, she literally boost team morale easily than fuuka and futaba which they just simply compliment them while rise is like a hype woman or something like that
@@stevenr9975 of the three fuuka best feats are range based she can literally keep track of the entire party and scan enemy from the bottom of Tartarus to the top wich is crazy and a lot further than any other scanner has even come close to
I saw an hour long video ranking every party member in all the persona games based on them as people and how useful they are in battle and Rise was in middle cuz her skills aren't that useful and quote, "she gets jealous if the protagonist sneezes in the direction of a country that has a woman in it" That last point was fair tho
@@wander1139 fuuka is also capable of using her persona in the real world as she does in persona 4 arena. I know mitsuru has the rings that make an artificial dark hour but it was never stayed fuuka was using one to do that.
My final team was yukiko, chie, yosuke. They’re the first ones to join and my attachment to them was too strong to let any other member finish the game
It's also the best mix overall, since Yukiko is a core member (best healer, best mage), and she requires Chie (who is sloppy for a long time, but she catches up later) to follow up on all-out attacks. And Yosuke fills every gap what needed (buffs, phys dmg, magic damage)
same! i always tell myself ill switch it up this run. but then i get too attached to yukiko, then i invest too much time into kanji, then i remember how op naoto is..... the only thing stopping me from doing a run with the complete opposite team comp is that i got used to relying on yukiko way too much 😭😭
@@nightwish1453kanjis synergy is the buffs and debuffs he provides. Having yu using a persona to nerf the enemy’s defense, kanji can buff the whole party’s attack leading to devastating damage. And it doesn’t end between yu and kanji. Yosuke and kanji have an amazing synergy in skills in which yosuke can buff the party’s accuracy and evasion while kanji can nerf the enemy’s accuracy and evade. This puts your party in a position in which you’re likely to hit and not be hit. I beat izanami at level 80 with this strategy.
It's funny that you have the experience of Chie going down first. I never had that problem outside of bosses which spam fire Magic. Her evasion rate is just extremely solid imho, especially when buffed.
Ahh in Normal or Hard difficulty, Chie hardly goes down when played properly. But in Very Hard, shadows are sometimes stronger than bosses(technically most of the time) and can make Chie fall pretty easily especially when she is a weak mid game character. She will then be extremely strong after Naoto's dungeon.
Honestly, it is amazing how much Rise has going for her even beyond what you said. One very important thing to note is that *because* she's not a traditional party member, she doesn't take up a spot in your recruitment, which means she's present in every single fight you partake in after you get her. I also seem to remember that her AI for what she actually does when she appears for support can actually be manipulated somewhat. If you manage to keep everyone buffed and at high health throughout a fight, she will be more consistent in providing SP restoration and those free charges, which is just nuts.
When I saw Chie on the bottom spot, I immediately thought, “Did they really just forget about galactic punt?” Sure, it counts as a physical attack, so you can’t follow up on enemies that have null/deflect physical, but it is the best follow up attack that you can get and you get it very early on in the game. I knew before watching, there was going to be one party member I wouldn’t agree with, but I didn’t expect to disagree so early in the video.
Chie is pretty bad until late game tbh. Her stats are low, phys dmg spells hp costs are extremely high and her frost magic skills is abysmal unless you waste some days into bike rides. When she is in party, you either have to deploy Yukiko only on healer role and waste her insane fire damage potential or heal her through items and healing personas. Kinda like "if you are very patient, you can level up until she is finally useful" or just switch her to Kanji (who has lower dmg phys spells, but has better stats and endurance overall) or Naoto (waveclear for entire dungeons). Imo Chie is low-tier, who gets to be useful only in last two dungeons, which... is not really what high tier should have.
@@PaladineAvenger1 physical damage is the strongest kind of attack and she’s the only party member who can hit multiple targets with that. Also early on she has tarukaja and galactic punt. Mid game she has charge which makes her significantly better than Teddie and eventually she gets probably the second best third awakening ability, she can save so many turns so it’s not right to say it’s a waste and you should bring another healer instead. Also her stats mid game are not that bad.
@@edwardsuou main problem with phys dmg spells - they cost A LOT of hp. Chie doesn't have any regeneration abilities (unlike Kanji), that means she needs a lot of healing from other party members to stay relevant and not dying on next turn. In midgame Naoto clears dungeons way faster, while staying healthy, because her talents include sp regen. Yes, Chie is a great late game carry and she has nice team buff, but to get to that level, you need to get through a lot of struggle
@@edwardsuou btw i forgot about one more bad thing about early to mid game Chie - she is almost completely useless against enemies with phys reflection \ high defence. Sometimes Chie would crit that hulk hogan into that 30% chance reflection just to die from her own spell, that was kinda... awkward. Also aoe phys dmg spells can be reflected as well
The thing about Yosuke is that he is always good at all points of the game, and fully available. He's never the best, but he can always contribute, so you will never regret bringing him along. His shear consistency is his greatest asset.
Yosuke fucking sucks past early Game My Guy His DMG Output Is barely fucking anything everyone else Out damages him WHILE doing Other Things what are y'all smoking
I’m not gonna lie I skipped through this video to see if Yukiko was at the top (YOU DIDN’T LET ME DOWN!), I feel like people don’t give her her dues enough because they don’t like her as a character when she’s undeniably an EXCELLENT party member, she was carrying my team the whole way through I’m only a *bit* biased cause she’s my favourite girl also haha Same thing happens to Rise with people not acknowledging how good she is, although I guess if somebody disliked her enough to not do her social link, they also wouldn’t reap all the great benefits of her as a navigator
Like Yukiko is so good it’s a problem, like you said in the video you don’t want her to be healing at the end cause she does such great damage …which is where Rise always seemed to come in clutch with the heals and the buffs!
this is a great video! really well researched! love your stuff! I disagree about Teddie being so low, because I really just think the parties purpose in Persona ends up being buffing the protagonist, as the amount of damage he can do is LEAGUES above everyone else. Usually Teddie is so busy buffing/healing for me, it doesn’t really matter that he falls short in other regards! Just my take tho
What's even better about yukiko, is you can give her a full sp build, which pushes her max SP to 650+. Combined with Rise's passive SP heal, every fight started with a burning petals for me in endgame lmao
chie will always be my favorite character, and she and yukiko will always be in my team. Her thing with not feeling as if she is not good enough makes her my favorite party member to use. Even if she isn't good early game, imma still use her because it feels like a betrayal of her character to me.
1) Yu (of course) 2) Yosuke (Most versatile party member. Good magic, support and healing abilities, a complete party member). 3) Yukiko (Kinda tied with Yosuke, best healer in the game and really good magic damage). 4) Chie (Best physical party member in my opinion. Good physical attacks, HP and endurance and 3rd skill is OP, even tho it's expensive but if you have the item that halves your SP, there's no problem). 5) Naoto (When it comes to random encounter, she is the best party member. She also has almighty damage but it's hard to build her and using her in boss battles). 6) Kanji (Highest physical strenght and endurance but his attacks only target a foe, so there's not really a reason to use him over Chie. You also need to do his social link for him to have power charge, while Chie only needs to level up). 7) Teddie (He's outshown by literally everyone. He has Ice skills, but Chie already has those plus good physical skills, he supports, but Chie, Kanji and Yosuke can do that as well and his physical attacks are lacking.) Bonus rank) Rise: She's not a real party member but she's probably the most useful besides the main character
Well right now I'm at Mitsuo's dungeon and I feel like nobody really appreciates Teddies matarukaja and his decent healing (got blessed hands on him now he heals around 3/4 of everyone's health or more). He works really well as a dedicated support and I feel like it's a shame that everyone overlooks him. Sure he might do poorly everywhere else, but will it really impact you THAT badly? He gets pretty good heals with mediarama and matarukaja allows you to boosts everyone's damage. I feel like his biggest con is that his social link progresses with the story, which can hold him back from being as good as everyone else depending on where you are.
@@TheGamerWhosBored also Yukiko is better healer overall, and a better mage as well. And if so, why would you choose two healers for the team? She is the main reason everyone not taking Teddie into party
Now this is a tier list i can agree on! good point is that Yosuke and Yukiko are actually tied, they both fit in any team but yosuke is more versatile that can compliment any weakness, yukiko too good of a healer and damage dealer only downside is her physical attk and hard to utilize magic unless a second support ability is in the game. Because team composition is most important, Yosuke should be second. Chie can be a glass cannon but because u have support characters, her kit is too good with agility better than kanji as kanji have lack in agility while chie can confirm hits with promising damage with her final skill being extremely useful. Teddie is last because most of his supportive ability would not be utilize as much anymore and not to mention having very poor stats (when every character is at the same level of 70, teddie's stats will be the weakest overall, susceptible to damage and low agility and endurance in the late game) plus his final ability, Kamui Miracle and kanji's The Man's way is almost useless as they depend on chances and seeing Kanji and Teddie's luck both are equally less used. But teddie and kanji are strong chracters when paired up together with naoto, that's when they shine greatly and insanely strong team composition with good defense and offense. But again because of their lack in versatility, their ranking would not be high.
@@PaladineAvenger1 it is possible to use both and not having them compete for the them role, if you build teddie as an ice mage with the buffs (and just throw in the revive and status spells if you have room) then he can give out support yukiko won't have this allows sp depletion to be shared more equally which can be issue if teddie ends up doing everything and can burn up way to quickly even with the chakara ring
Having played Persona 4 quite a bit, I kinda question having Chie so low. Sure, Dragon Hustle costs quite a bit of SP, but that can easily be downplayed with a Chakra Ring which in my experience, helps Naoto minimally, and is a complete OVERKILL on Yukiko with her bountiful ocean of SP, so it's generally better to put something like that on characters who need it. Especially when you can be better off giving Naoto a +10 Magic accessory. Also, the resist on physical only serves to balance physical to some degree to magic, because the power coeficciency on Physical skills in 4 is outrageous. How outrageous? Well, let's take Persona 3, a game in which your magic users were freakin' nuts because the power coefficiencies between physical and magic were equal...ish. Sever Magic had higher power, on top of you being able to buff it with passives. What's worse? Black Viper could do more damage than an amp'd and boosted elemental magic skill. Now let's look at 4. Black Viper got the absolute nerf hammer with half it's original power, and magic also didn't fare off too well. Mean while physical skills were scaled through the roof, so in Golden, I'm sure they had to add resistance to physical so your magic casters could hold even a tea light to your physical peeps. Yes, this is how outrageous physical became people. And on Golden, you could even crit bosses for extra damage, but no knockdown, making Chie still overall stronger and crit builds using Yoshitsune absolutely broken...and you CAN'T tell me Hassou Tobi isn't broken. I'm sorry, but Chie is by far not the least useful party member in Golden. Even in my experience, Naoto and Yukiko could not do the damage of Chie nor Yoshitsune.
Naoto's Shield of Justice is really good for new game+ playthroughs and can save your team in a pinch (and somehow can block margaret's 9999 megidoloan) with the right build she can use it much more consistently then chie with dragon hustle, Yukiko can use chakara ring if you want her to be more offesive whilst still retaining the heal spells and status cure spells then it will make salvation less expensive to use
Chie is probably the second best party member in the game behind teddie. He’s mad capping. Chie has insane crit rate and physical damage. Also she is the only party member with useful multi target phys. She can solo most basic encounters.
My first play through I finished with Yukiko, Naoto, and Teddie as my main party members. For NG+ I thought about just going utility rather than straight damage considering how fucking fast Yukiko destroyed the bosses
List adds up, as I never switch out Yosuke, Yukiko nor Naoto. Only two downsides to this roster: 1) No team up attacks. 2) Hardcore Risette Fan remains to be my only locked trophy in over *7 Years!*
could see why he didn't include team up attacks because that is more of a factor for team comps then character rankings and in some bosses it may likely to never occur like S.Kanji or most of the late game boss fights
Kanji's Primal Force does about 2.3x as much damage (before critical hits) as Yukiko's Burning Petals or Megidolean before any Elemental Boosting equipment is applied, so Kanji will still generally deal more damage than other characters even when the boss has 50% Physical Resist. Yukiko's magic stat is competitive with Kanji's strength, comparing 88 MAG vs. 95 STR at level 99. Naoto, however, is a different story, having weaker spells, a weaker MAG stat (Kanji's 69 MAG vs Kanji's 95 STR at Level 99), and more difficult access to Elemental Boosts/Amp, although she still can have them, as she has a weapon with Ice Boost and can wear an accessory that also gives Ice Amp, for a max of +75%. Teddie and Yosuke can both get +100% elemental boost and similar MAG to Naoto, which makes them overall similar for boss DPS to Naoto, as Mind Charge, is effectively a 25% damage increase. Chie is really awkward as her STR and skills are weaker than Kanji's and gets Power Charge later, and her magic is only good enough for knockdowns. Her critical rate isn't actually higher either as compared to Kanji's, as Primal Force just has a higher base critical rate as compared to God Hand. This means that generally speaking, boss single target damage chart goes like: MC > Kanji > Yukiko > Naoto = Yosuke = Teddie > Chie. Of Naoto, Yosuke, and Teddie, Teddie is the best support, having both better healing and buffs. Naoto's ability to delete random encounters is strong, but the MC does it better and you generally don't need 2 people to deal with random encounters.
Got me with that Kamui miracle self-insert. Bursted out laughing when I took like 3 full seconds to realize that it wasn't a cut out from the wiki . +1 sub my guy
I just finished my first playthrough of Persona 4 Golden recently, and I'm going to start a New Game+ playthrough pretty soon. Your video will really help. Also, best girl is #2, yay!
The Chie downplay is crazy here. Her late and even mid game damage is crazy as long as you just invest in her. Sure Kanji has the higher atk but Chie gets the far better physical move pool, weapons and way better luck stat for crits. She also takes magic damage better than Kanji while also having far better evasion. Dragon Hustles SP requirment honestly isn't even that bad considering you're probably only gonna use it once after you're first set of AOE buffs go away. She even has her team attack with Yukiko which is good since she has synergy with the character you'll almost never end up benching.
I always feel like people who think Chie is not a good team member just don't know how to use her at first because she's dependant on her physical skills and her health can get low pretty quick, and then people don't care to keep leveling her up cause it's easier to use the other members. But she becomes really great only later on and it's completely worth it. I always made sure to have my whole party around the same level. I find it more fun to mix combinations than use the same people all the time
In my personal EXP she wasn’t very helpful even in late game, but I’ve seen a lot of people argue Chie is one of if not the best party member in the game. I really do think the game is well balanced and that in all comes down to perspective rather than objectivity, which makes things like this fun to discuss!
You could say that Chie becomes great later on, but so does every party member too. This video also covers how characters perform early game + mid-game. Chie’s skills are pretty lacking throughout most of the game, right until Adachi’s dungeon. Sooo, Chie is pretty meh throughout the majority of the dungeons, which is why she placed at last.
As much as I love Rise, it’s kind of odd to me to this day how she’s the one to be navigator. I really don’t understand the character purpose, as compared to other navigators, it doesn’t really suit her much. If she were the only character to “see” herself, that would be different, but since that character arc occurs for nearly all party members, it doesn’t really fit imo.
In my experience with this game, Chie has always been the most OP character. There's a gap where she goes several levels without learning relevant skills, but once you get past that, she becomes a complete BEAST (if you've properly invested in critical damage, power charge, God's Hand, etc)... My endgame party was full girls: Chie, Naoto and Yukiko. Chie took care of physical damage, Yukiko provided support and used fire spells, and Naoto was the most versatile, using the remaining elements and almighty. This was the most satisfying party of any RPG I've ever played, and Chie was my favorite character (mainly because of Galactic Punt, who always got me a good laugh). My only regret was not being able to teach Yukiko Mind Charge in time, but she was still very powerful and essential.
Idk why everyone is so low on Teddie. He's the mvp GOAT in my opinion. He does strong magic damage and has all the healing and buff skills you could want.
Its a travesty that Chie doesnt learn any of the Bufudyne skills or even Ice Amp, but i guess Power Charge makes up for it. But Yosuke’s Auto Skills makes him at level in Phys damage (sometimes even better) for normal shadows
My dream team is Naoto, Kanji, and Yukiko. I usually make up for what the other members lack, so it ends up being pretty well rounded. Maybe there are better party combinations out there, but I haven't found it yet.
My Tier: S: Rise, Yukiko A: Chie B: Teddie C: Yosuke, Naoto D: Kanji My opinion is based on the party member's ability to go through dungeons and fighting bosses. The S tier is pretty obvious. Chie is much better than Kanji in terms of dungeon crawling because she has aoe damage skills even though Kanji hits bosses harder. Teddie can learn marakunda and matarukaja which are really helpful. Yosuke is jack of all trades but master of none, he has everything but they are kinda meh. With Naoto, I have to choose between going for Mind Charge build for bosses or going for the cleaning mobs build with Mamudoon/Mahamaon
you overrated Naruto damage sucks she has no weakness but her endurance makes it not matter her best thing is she has covered skills which is the least important part of balance team anyway if you're good at team building she's useless her best skill is heat riser on a high speed stat on the hardest difficulty she's in contention for the worst party member with yosuke who suffers from generalist ands completely out ranked by Ted
No way yosuke is considered good. Jack of all trades just means he's shit at everything. The good jack of all trades is naoto. You probably wanna use chie for heat riser or kanji for his stupid good strength.
Yea my whole ranking philosophy was pretty horrible back then, even like less than a year after making that vid I was pretty confused by what I was thinking. I just never got around to making an update/"better thoughts" mini video. He's probably at the bottom for me nowadays.
We must've played very different games if you have Chie on the bottom. She's across the board one of, if not the best party member for clear, bosses, golden hands, and reaper. Toss her a Chakra Ring after she gets her party wide heat riser and she's bananas. But whatevs :)
My Tier for Play : 0. Rise : Navigator 1. Yukiko : Simple, Healer 2. Naoto : because she has Megidolaon for Hand Enemy, and Shield of Justice for boss and Reaper 3. Chie : AOE physical attack, suitable for hand enemies. can combo with Yukiko and have Insta-Kill except for bosses. 4. Kanji: Single physical attack, suitable for bosses 5. Yosuke : Bro..not bad. everyone loves Yosuke.. best to play outside so he doesn't get hurt. 6. Teddy: just for fun, random unique moves. Healer but prefers Yukiko.
Chie in OG P4 suffered hard from having Blank Spot as her best attack for 24 levels... She was horrid against bosses for a good chunk of the game as a result, and was outdone, even with Power Charge, by Kanji.
my endgame party was yosuke, teddie, and naoto, and then my MC having thor, so we covered every element. i know yukiko is the best for dps, but by the time i learned this she was already FAR too underleveled and i just didn't feel like grinding to get her on par with everyone else
These are my team composition. I base them in order of who’s useful in the moment and their overall style of contribution to a fight. Slot 1 yosuke or naoto. Both are good at single target dps physical and magical though yosuke is more useful at magic and support while naoto is better at physical and defense. Slot 2 kanji or chie They are both easily the best physical dpsers in the game on top of both having their own style of magical dps Chie excels at landing critical hits while kanji excels at dps per turn when it comes to physical attacking both are very useful when killing golden hands. The last slot is teddie or yukiko. Teddie and yukiko are both support roles that can remove bad status effects, deal magic based dps and heal the party when they are in danger. Yukiko is a better healer while teddie is a better dpser/buffer. If you want your party to have survivability bring yukiko but if you want to end a fight faster bring teddie. Those compositions should have all you need to keep your bases covered.
my final party are yosuke naoto and yukiko they're the best, i keep chie as main party before naoto join for tarukaja, revolution, and of course galactic punt
and only use teddy (remove yukiko) for fighting margaret bc he have evade physical for hassou tobi, 30% magic damage reduction on ultimate weapon and same weakness as yosuke so i don't worry about her elec attack get repelled by yoshi if either one died. i don't have other purpose on him bc he's useless and annoying for me.
To be honest, I don't see the appeal of Dragon Hustle. Not only is it stupidly expensive, but the remaining bosses can easily negate it with Dekaja. I'd rather just have Teddie buff the team's attack and nerf the enemy's defense rather than putting all my eggs into one basket. In contrast, break skills don't work on the Shield of Justice.
My final party was Yosuke Kanji and Yukiko. Yosuke for support, Yukiko for healing and damage, and heat riser + debilitate + power charge + primal force Kanji for around 2000 damage lol
Yea fully buffed Kanji can be a monster lol. I was rethinking my list lately and I'll probably amend my list minorly as the pinned comment. Not a grandiose shift in how I view the game, but enough differences to warrant some swapping around.
My final team for my first play through was Chie Kanji and Yukiko 😳. Their synergy was pretty good overall, only issue was the Marie boss battle. It would have been Naoto instead of Kanji but I wasn’t able to max out her social link by the end of my first play through.
Thanks for this video. I recently begun with Persona 4 Golden as my first Persona game, and I really wanted to know who were some of the better party members.
My main problem with Persona 4's party system is that the characters won't level up based on the overall level of your party. In final fantasy 7, for example, if you don't play with some characters but want later on they will be only a few levels lower than your main party, making the grinding less boring. I only played through the game with Yukiko, Chie and Kanji the characters that interested me the most, but when I got Naoto, I thought on switching them, but since she was lv50, while my mains were around 70, I just didn't bothered. I don't really like grinding in Persona 4.
Funny, my main team was Kanji, Chie, and Yuki. smoked the game no problem. I didnt bother using Naoto because she came so late in the game. When I do another run 20 years from now im gonna use the benched heroes
Idk why this video got recommended to me now, but here's my team : - Clearing wave : Yu, Yosuke, Yukiko, and Naoto (you can replace Naoto with Teddie if you want to build elemental team) - Boss fight : 1. Yu, Yosuke, Kanji, Teddie (Heat riser for all, since Yosuke learn Masuku, Kanji learn Mataru and Teddie learn Maraku) 2. Yu, Yosuke, Yukiko, Teddie (Yukiko could focus on attacking with mind charge and burning petal, while Teddie and Yosuke could support the team by healing, buffing and removing enemy buff, and also do some damage) 3. Yu, Yukiko, Chie, Naoto (Chie to spam dragon hustler and Naoto to spam shield of justice with chakra ring, while Yukiko do some damage and healing when needed) 4. Yu, Kanji, Chie, Yukiko (Yukiko for healing and Kanji + Chie do crazy amount of damage with power charge. My opinion : Yosuke and Yukiko is OP in this game. Yosuke learning dekaja and Yukiko having the best healing and magic skill make them both must have for your team. Naoto with Hama and Mudo skill make clearing wave a lot easier, and don't forget Naoto also learn Megidolaon and mind charge to farm golden hand. Teddie is actually good if you want Yukiko to focus on attacking, i mean he has buff and healing like Yukiko, and don't forget he also has a better bufu skill than Chie. Chie and Kanji kind of okay I guess, I mean Chie has Apt pupil and dragon hustler which make her better than Kanji, since you don't need to put omega drive for your accessories and Kanji is good in boss battle since he learn primal force, which has the highest damage in single target physical skill compare to god's hand, combine it with omega drive and power charge, you can see some of those damage to bosses.
Ok, yeah. With the fact that this is based on Golden's completely busted excuse for character balance(you can really tell they were just testing some things for persona 5 that persona 4 was never really intended to be balanced around hence Rise being entirely broken), I can somewhat see a lot of these placements even if I don't agree with them. I also generally consider bossing capacity to be the be all end all so if I were to do a ranking, the different priority and version of focus would mean I'd have to make a few major swaps around on my list. It'd probably go something like: 7. Teddie: Yukiko has better healing and Yu can handle buffs and debuffs way better, his one major trait he's definitely the best at is ice magic but ice on chie is such a non factor it's not really much of a bar to clear. 6. Rise: Really nice support for dungeon crawling, but I consistently struggle to max her social link by endgame so I don't get to enjoy her best original skills for very long plus OG Rise doesn't do much in bosses. 5. Naoto: Her and Kanji are very close in terms of ranking for me. Both provide solid traits and skills to either normal encounters and bosses respectively. However, since fighting bosses are where my priorities lie for these rankings and since Kanji brings a bit more to regular encounters than Naoto does to boss fights(Naoto's boss damage is decent but she drains SP fast) especially with his AOE followup attack. 4. Kanji: I said a good bit of what I wanted to say about him in the Naoto segment but I've got a couple of other things. His sheer tankiness is insane and it let's him play pretty aggressively even with his big expensive physical skills. He also tends to crit a lot but that might be anecdotal. All and all, he's a good tank for bosses even without power charge and his crits can sometimes give you free all out attacks. 3. Yosuke: Probably the character with the most minimal changes from original to golden, so most of what the video said holds up here. A really strong all rounder who can handle basically whatever you need him to pretty reliably, but also aggressively mid in terms of a ranking due to his all rounder status. 2. Yukiko: The single best healer in this entire franchise don't @ me. With her fan from the Contrarian King she has as much SP as Kanji has HP and god damn is she a life saver. Her consistent and reliable healing gives you all the opportunity in the world to play around with personas and playstyles and party compositions. I don't know what happened to her in golden, but in OG persona 4 her attack magic was only ever pretty solid even with her boost and amp together. That said, her much higher SP pool, access to salvation, and her getting her healing skills earlier than Teddie if I remember right just make her by far and away the best healer in the game and beyond. 1. Chie: I genuinely don't know what you were thinking putting Chie at the bottom of the list. Maybe Golden really did utterly nerf her and physical skills into the ground(I don't play much golden I think I made my disdain for it clear earlier here but I've ranted about it much further and don't know all the more detailed changes), but for the original a lot of the points you brought up were just confusing. I know a few mid bosses and optional bosses have some physical resistance but if any main bosses actually do resist physical in the original it's such a small amount it's unnoticeable and the raw power of physical usually still has them outpacing magic if a boss has no weaknesses. Not only that, but chie in the original has the 2nd highest HP behind Kanji. Now while she takes a lot of damage and still kind or feels like a glass cannon, her high HP count often means she can still get off an attack she charged up for after being hurt and before being healed. Speaking of Chie's Charged up attacks, Powee Charge + God's Hand = GG no re. It utterly shreds even the tankiest bosses around and for me it's the one way I can still hit 4 digits even when I'm significantly under leveled. Chie is OP in original persona 4 and fun enough to play that it's certainly not a bad thing so in conclusion, if Golden really did make her the worst by a mile then you can make that the cherry on top of the reasons I'm not a fan of Persona 4 Golden.
I can respect all of your placements as well because, as I said, everyone is great and this just comes down to what we value and how we view the game. I have had a LOT of people tell me Chie is broken, and I just struggle to share that sentiment in play. I do think Teddie is underrated here. While he is definitely outclassed in support/healing by Yu/Yukiko, it’s the fact he can handle that(all atk buff/all defense debuff/healing) that allows everyone else to go full offense and shred through enemies. He really doesnt need to attack himself if he’s a really great support only member. But to each their own!
@@TatsuHaven for sure. I know my take on teddie has been a hot one for a while. I understand how he's supposed to work, but with everyone else having at least one buff or debuff skill plus items if you really need them means I just can't feel the same impressive difference I've seen discussed. Also, everything I've seen and experienced with golden's Rise totally justifies her being up there too under your list's parameters(again, she epitomizes the balance issue of introducing stuff for the next game that the original wasn't designed around, had a more fun version of that with p3p). The biggest thing I'm surprised I don't connect on is getting yukiko going as a magic attacker. I've seen it done in videos of even original p4 but she's always been pretty mid in terms of magic dps for me. Similar to teddie but not quite as crazy as naoto or yosuke, but her healing just carries regardless.
For me I’d my best team was Yosuke,teddie and yukiko. I switched chie in and out. And although kanji and naoto are my favorite characters I wouldn’t develop them enough. Teddie always gave easy buffs and was too easy to grow as well as Yosuke and yukiko. I’d also like to nominate rise as the absolute beast of a navigator. Futaba is definitely one of my favorite characters but I’m pretty sure she never was THAT consistent as rise is.
Kanji even though most of his skills are tied in physical it’s far from useless. Kanji has the ability to deal massive damage to bosses that are knocked down. Also kanji can buff the entire party’s attack and debuff all enemy’s accuracy and evasion. I’m level 60 with kanji right now and he was able to hit 800 damage fighting that optional boss in naotos lab. Any boss that can be knocked down in some form kanji can just waste most of its hp as long as he’s got his power charge ready available at rank 6 of his social link. I see so many people saying they never use kanji and I don’t know why. He’s got the physical dps chie has minus the fragility. I even bought this thing off the shopping channel called the red battle suit which reduces melee damage against kanji paired with his triple evade for wind skills it makes him an insanely strong tank.
i ran yukiko, chie, and naoto/kanji for pretty much the whole game. i’m honestly pretty surprised at chie and kanji being in last, they were really powerful with super strong phys skills and charge for me. i might have my perspective skewed though because i never really leveled yosuke or teddie past lv 50 when everyone else was at lv 99.
How dare you rank Kanji and Chie so low lol. Kanji is like my favorite RPG party member ever - outside of a Final Fantasy game that is - and Chie.....well, Galactic Punt is AWESOME 😂
My problem with Teddie is I can often throw a support persona on Yu that had better skills than Teddie for most points of the game, and why would I use a party slot for setup every 3 turns when Yu can just setup and switch back whenever I need it.
Because you can use that first turn to mind charge/power charge. Teddie buffs, you charge, Teddie buffs, you attack, Teddie heals, you attack, and then repeat.
idk if i can consider Rise the best party member the same reason i cannot Yu, they are fixed party members and you cant pick them out, i mean you do have to "go out of your way" to buff both of them but you should always try to improve party members that are always active
and using a chakra ring on her isn't wasted provided you aren't using both Naoto and Yukiko, especially Naoto since Yukiko practically never loses her SP unless you're either actively trying to or aren't focusing on SP preservation enough
Just to tell, once i unlocked Teddie he never left my party. In fact for a few battles, he overtook my protagonist, which i wonder how did he do that in the first place.
I use Yosuke, Chie, and Yukiko. Yukiko's a good healer and magical attacker, Chie has strong physical skills, and Yosuke is a good balance of physical attacks and magic, he can Masukukaja the party and can dispel enemy buffs.
I think the funniest part of this video for me is that in my first playthrough Yukiko was literally the first person I dropped. (Ended up being Kanji, Naoto, and Teddie in the end). I just never used her. So seeing her so high up and two of my 3 party members near the bottom had me laughing
Honestly I super undersold Teddie here(wow it's been over 2 years). I think the strongest party for how I like to play is probs Yukiko Kanji Teddie. The former two are the best damage dealers for magic and phys and Teddie comes equipped with party healing, attack buff, and enemy defense debuff. You can really turn things to shreds with these guys, but it's not like the game is so difficult that you need some optimal setup. Will say though that Naoto is still very helpful especially for the optional super boss, having Shield of Justice is always handy + no weakness to worry about.
I really like this video but in my opinion the biggest flaw is the individual strength vs the team synergy. This is because the fact that the mc pretty much gives good synergy if you choose your personas right. Teddie for example gets far outclassed once you use a persona with all auto-mataru auto-maraku and auto-masuku. The point I'm trying to make is once the mc gets better personas, team synergy really stops mattering. So with that in mind the list I personally make is this. Teddie (gets outclassed by mc) Naoto (only really good for grinding also gets outclassed by mc) Kanji (powerful physical stats) Chie (outclassed kanji with strength and agnyastra, gods hand, and power charge) Yosuke (jack of all trade) Yukiko (rediculosly powerful magic) Rise (yeah support is busted) MC (if done right easily can support an entire team while out damaging an entire team) If the MC wasn't in the equation, I actually would agree since team synergy would be far more important. However once you do bring the mc into the argument, team synergy becomes less important in place of raw output of damage due to the mc's ability to be the best support and the best damage dealer in the game.
While I understand your point, I feel like the MC should almost always be on DPS duty unless the situation is dire since they have the highest DPS potential of the group. In your example, Auto-Everything would only last for 3 turns. After that, who’s gonna manage buffs and debuffs? Teddie can keep the party doing max damage with a cycle of Matarukaja, Marakunda, and healing while everyone else attacks. This allows MC and the party of your choice to focus on DPS as you please, which is why team synergy is important to me regardless if the MC is in the equation.
Yeah I can see that I still think you can do both with the right choice of persona but I guess it comes down to different ways to play As an aside I'm genuinely curious to see how you will do this for Royal. The sheer strength and flexibility of the mc honestly makes the argument apply more to Royal (apart form team synergy which I worded poorly). Furthermore apart from haru (she's not bad just hard to fit the way i play) you now build your team to have a almost laughable amount of strength. Like if you want a physical build (mc, ryuji, yusuke, Kasumi or makoto). Or if you want a magic build (mc, ann, makoto, morgana).
I feel like at some point I'll probably have my hand forced to make a video of this for other Persona titles, with each game having their own set of quirks and such that'll make it much harder to compare than in P4. In P4, even the last party member has at least 3-4 dungeons for you to get some great use out of them. I cannot say the same for everyone in every other title(except P1/2). Couple that with traits in Royal which will make things SUUUUUPER tricky, AI in P3/FES vs Portable's party control, and then the giant can of worms that is P1/P2 people all being able to use multiple personas but each character has different affinities with each persona, and yea I got my work cut out for me lol
my Final Party is Chie, Naoto and Teddie. Chie for Physicals, Naoto for Megidolaon and Teddie for Debuffs. I had a dilemma of replacing Yukiko with Teddie, tho Teddie after getting Samecarm and Mediarahan then I Swapped Yukiko out since Teddie can do heal and debuffs, also Yukiko's high SP isnt really that useful considering that Rise can recover 10% of SP per battle.
Chie, Yousuke and Yukiko for me The only weakness of this team is no Matarukaja user I can replace Chie with kanji but we won't hVe Dragon Hustle as a buff
I'm wondering if mind and particularly power charge may be overrated because 1) the attack can miss and you will have wasted 2 turns and hp/sp, 2) rise can charge up the party after used meaning a wasted turn and sp, and 3) may be missing out on extra physical crit chances. I think consistent damage, versatility with turn usage, and allowing a different useful skill to slot in is better.
Rise’s charge actually stacks with the base charge, a characters hit can increase with the help of buffs and debuffs, critical hit chances is more like a bonus unlike 5 you can’t really do it for definite
Great video man! Your pacing and editing was super well done! I actually found you off TH-cam Studio's "Your Viewers Also Watch" and I'm glad to see my small community has lead me here. Keep up the great work man!
I think the list changes a bit when we consider runs without the bike skills, since those require giving up time to max everything in a casual run. The craziest part is that Yukiko is still one of the best characters even without Mind Charge. Chie meanwhile can’t even learn tier three magic spells without the bike dates which is terrible. Yosuke also spends a lot of levels waiting for phys skills to be a available, but using him with kitchen knife set pays off in third semester.
In vanilla P4, I had Yukikko knock off 800 HP off the final boss with just a fire spell. 10% damage right there. Sure, I might have overgrinded somewhat .... but pretty good for a supposed healer xD
Thanks for all the comments and support y'all! It's been really fun reading all of your different thoughts and reasonings for why you would have different characters higher or lower, the new perspectives are definitely a treat to hear. Really just goes to show how balanced the game is party member option wise :)
Over the months since this video, I'm not sure if I'd change much of this. I'm still fairly confident in my own judging, but I think I'd swap Teddie and Yosuke though.
The real challenge comes for making a video like this for P5R and P3 though, just y'all wait for those ones
Rise in Arena: Man It sucks I'm not as good as Fuuka with my Navi skills.
Also Rise: Lemme just buff the party while also bringing you back from the brink of death like nothing happened.
Well it's called plot for some reasons
To be honest If you ask who's the best navi between fuuka,rise,and futaba
I'll answer Rise is the best one, not because of gameplay but it's because how she support us with her cheering, she literally boost team morale easily than fuuka and futaba which they just simply compliment them while rise is like a hype woman or something like that
I mean it's more like a KO in 4. Persona Q is the game where party members die.
@@stevenr9975 of the three fuuka best feats are range based she can literally keep track of the entire party and scan enemy from the bottom of Tartarus to the top wich is crazy and a lot further than any other scanner has even come close to
I saw an hour long video ranking every party member in all the persona games based on them as people and how useful they are in battle and Rise was in middle cuz her skills aren't that useful and quote, "she gets jealous if the protagonist sneezes in the direction of a country that has a woman in it"
That last point was fair tho
@@wander1139 fuuka is also capable of using her persona in the real world as she does in persona 4 arena. I know mitsuru has the rings that make an artificial dark hour but it was never stayed fuuka was using one to do that.
My final team was yukiko, chie, yosuke. They’re the first ones to join and my attachment to them was too strong to let any other member finish the game
It's also the best mix overall, since Yukiko is a core member (best healer, best mage), and she requires Chie (who is sloppy for a long time, but she catches up later) to follow up on all-out attacks. And Yosuke fills every gap what needed (buffs, phys dmg, magic damage)
Lmao same
My final team is Yukiko, Naoto and Kanji.. Kills the final boss way too fast to the point healing isnt even needed..
@@1phantomedge I usually carry yukiko chie and naoto
@@roxasbaker yooo same
I always end up using Yukiko, Kanji, and Naoto. They've just synergized for me. And Yukiko was easily my MVP aside from Rise.
Dude I finally found another with my party preference
@@alcoop8729 nah this team comp goes hard lol
@@alcoop8729 I also used them but on very hard and it's excellent
Same for me, though I switched Kanji for Teddie for boss battles
same! i always tell myself ill switch it up this run. but then i get too attached to yukiko, then i invest too much time into kanji, then i remember how op naoto is..... the only thing stopping me from doing a run with the complete opposite team comp is that i got used to relying on yukiko way too much 😭😭
Hearing "bearsona" made me flinch
Oh, you couldn't BEAR it?
@@matthewpopow6647 he bearly could
@@elijahfyffe5176 thats bearly fair
@@kuto6143 stop your bearing him
It's too un-BEAR-able
kanji jumps from D to A the moment he learns power charge, THE DAMAGE DISHES ITSELF (also having matarukaja and extra magic helps)
Though like chie he lacks synergy and is self reliant which may cause problems when paired with a yoshitsune MC
@@nightwish1453kanjis synergy is the buffs and debuffs he provides.
Having yu using a persona to nerf the enemy’s defense, kanji can buff the whole party’s attack leading to devastating damage.
And it doesn’t end between yu and kanji.
Yosuke and kanji have an amazing synergy in skills in which yosuke can buff the party’s accuracy and evasion while kanji can nerf the enemy’s accuracy and evade.
This puts your party in a position in which you’re likely to hit and not be hit.
I beat izanami at level 80 with this strategy.
It's funny that you have the experience of Chie going down first. I never had that problem outside of bosses which spam fire Magic. Her evasion rate is just extremely solid imho, especially when buffed.
Ahh in Normal or Hard difficulty, Chie hardly goes down when played properly. But in Very Hard, shadows are sometimes stronger than bosses(technically most of the time) and can make Chie fall pretty easily especially when she is a weak mid game character. She will then be extremely strong after Naoto's dungeon.
@@forrest7393 isnt vh identical to hard for damage stats tho
@@mouthwide0pen it is indeed
When paired with Yosuke who can raise that evasion, the two can dodge just about anything. Their synergy is surprisingly potent
@@jcplays5831kanji has masukunda as well.
Honestly, it is amazing how much Rise has going for her even beyond what you said. One very important thing to note is that *because* she's not a traditional party member, she doesn't take up a spot in your recruitment, which means she's present in every single fight you partake in after you get her.
I also seem to remember that her AI for what she actually does when she appears for support can actually be manipulated somewhat. If you manage to keep everyone buffed and at high health throughout a fight, she will be more consistent in providing SP restoration and those free charges, which is just nuts.
For me i've always had yosuke, naoto and yukiko on my team so this list makes me feel even prouder of my team choice.
ayyyy same
Same, Naoto and Yukiko are super useful and I just couldn't bring myself to remove yosuke
@@mkan3134bruh same I can’t just get rid of Yosuke as well
Chie’s galactic punt was so broken in my play through it was great.
Yukiko is a beast, really handy during the entire game, healing and then fire amp + fire spells. Agree with your list in general.
I dropped Yukiko the instant I got Teddie as a party member. Yukiko ended up being my most neglected party member and she was way behind on levels.
i will always regret not getting rise to rank 10…
you really missed out 😔
I mean, even as a waifu she's also great...
@@hadison6838
No.
@@Honest-King Yes.
New Game+ time?
When I saw Chie on the bottom spot, I immediately thought, “Did they really just forget about galactic punt?” Sure, it counts as a physical attack, so you can’t follow up on enemies that have null/deflect physical, but it is the best follow up attack that you can get and you get it very early on in the game. I knew before watching, there was going to be one party member I wouldn’t agree with, but I didn’t expect to disagree so early in the video.
Chie is pretty bad until late game tbh. Her stats are low, phys dmg spells hp costs are extremely high and her frost magic skills is abysmal unless you waste some days into bike rides. When she is in party, you either have to deploy Yukiko only on healer role and waste her insane fire damage potential or heal her through items and healing personas. Kinda like "if you are very patient, you can level up until she is finally useful" or just switch her to Kanji (who has lower dmg phys spells, but has better stats and endurance overall) or Naoto (waveclear for entire dungeons). Imo Chie is low-tier, who gets to be useful only in last two dungeons, which... is not really what high tier should have.
@@PaladineAvenger1 physical damage is the strongest kind of attack and she’s the only party member who can hit multiple targets with that. Also early on she has tarukaja and galactic punt. Mid game she has charge which makes her significantly better than Teddie and eventually she gets probably the second best third awakening ability, she can save so many turns so it’s not right to say it’s a waste and you should bring another healer instead. Also her stats mid game are not that bad.
@@edwardsuou main problem with phys dmg spells - they cost A LOT of hp. Chie doesn't have any regeneration abilities (unlike Kanji), that means she needs a lot of healing from other party members to stay relevant and not dying on next turn. In midgame Naoto clears dungeons way faster, while staying healthy, because her talents include sp regen. Yes, Chie is a great late game carry and she has nice team buff, but to get to that level, you need to get through a lot of struggle
@@PaladineAvenger1 I don’t really agree but I think you made good points anyway so I respect your opinion.
@@edwardsuou btw i forgot about one more bad thing about early to mid game Chie - she is almost completely useless against enemies with phys reflection \ high defence. Sometimes Chie would crit that hulk hogan into that 30% chance reflection just to die from her own spell, that was kinda... awkward. Also aoe phys dmg spells can be reflected as well
The thing about Yosuke is that he is always good at all points of the game, and fully available. He's never the best, but he can always contribute, so you will never regret bringing him along. His shear consistency is his greatest asset.
Yosuke fucking sucks past early Game My Guy His DMG Output Is barely fucking anything everyone else Out damages him WHILE doing Other Things what are y'all smoking
I’m not gonna lie I skipped through this video to see if Yukiko was at the top (YOU DIDN’T LET ME DOWN!), I feel like people don’t give her her dues enough because they don’t like her as a character when she’s undeniably an EXCELLENT party member, she was carrying my team the whole way through
I’m only a *bit* biased cause she’s my favourite girl also haha
Same thing happens to Rise with people not acknowledging how good she is, although I guess if somebody disliked her enough to not do her social link, they also wouldn’t reap all the great benefits of her as a navigator
Like Yukiko is so good it’s a problem, like you said in the video you don’t want her to be healing at the end cause she does such great damage
…which is where Rise always seemed to come in clutch with the heals and the buffs!
this is a great video! really well researched! love your stuff! I disagree about Teddie being so low, because I really just think the parties purpose in Persona ends up being buffing the protagonist, as the amount of damage he can do is LEAGUES above everyone else. Usually Teddie is so busy buffing/healing for me, it doesn’t really matter that he falls short in other regards! Just my take tho
WAIT SEANIE?? I'VE WATCHED THIS VIDEO LIKE 47 TIMES AND JUST FOUND OUT YOU COMMENTED.
What's even better about yukiko, is you can give her a full sp build, which pushes her max SP to 650+. Combined with Rise's passive SP heal, every fight started with a burning petals for me in endgame lmao
where adachi on this list wtf
chie will always be my favorite character, and she and yukiko will always be in my team. Her thing with not feeling as if she is not good enough makes her my favorite party member to use. Even if she isn't good early game, imma still use her because it feels like a betrayal of her character to me.
Bro… Chie punted a boss out of the arena in the first round. She was forever best girl after that. 😂❤
Mind Charge + Burning Petals and Power Charge + Hassou Tobi and BOOM! The boss is nowhere to be found.
Having yukiko on your team makes this game too easy
Yukiko, Naoto, and a maxed out Rise make P4G a joke. We're talking walking destruction.
@@js1031 thanks for pointing that out, I’m going to play my second run without them (except of course for Rise) to make it more challenging.
Mediarahan momen
I'm glad someone realizes how broken Rise is, just another reason she's best girl
God please have mercy....
Shes the worst party member as a charachter
@@P.C_bug nah
So you're a man of culture as well
1) Yu (of course)
2) Yosuke (Most versatile party member. Good magic, support and healing abilities, a complete party member).
3) Yukiko (Kinda tied with Yosuke, best healer in the game and really good magic damage).
4) Chie (Best physical party member in my opinion. Good physical attacks, HP and endurance and 3rd skill is OP, even tho it's expensive but if you have the item that halves your SP, there's no problem).
5) Naoto (When it comes to random encounter, she is the best party member. She also has almighty damage but it's hard to build her and using her in boss battles).
6) Kanji (Highest physical strenght and endurance but his attacks only target a foe, so there's not really a reason to use him over Chie. You also need to do his social link for him to have power charge, while Chie only needs to level up).
7) Teddie (He's outshown by literally everyone. He has Ice skills, but Chie already has those plus good physical skills, he supports, but Chie, Kanji and Yosuke can do that as well and his physical attacks are lacking.)
Bonus rank) Rise: She's not a real party member but she's probably the most useful besides the main character
Well right now I'm at Mitsuo's dungeon and I feel like nobody really appreciates Teddies matarukaja and his decent healing (got blessed hands on him now he heals around 3/4 of everyone's health or more). He works really well as a dedicated support and I feel like it's a shame that everyone overlooks him. Sure he might do poorly everywhere else, but will it really impact you THAT badly? He gets pretty good heals with mediarama and matarukaja allows you to boosts everyone's damage. I feel like his biggest con is that his social link progresses with the story, which can hold him back from being as good as everyone else depending on where you are.
@@TheGamerWhosBored also Yukiko is better healer overall, and a better mage as well. And if so, why would you choose two healers for the team? She is the main reason everyone not taking Teddie into party
Now this is a tier list i can agree on! good point is that Yosuke and Yukiko are actually tied, they both fit in any team but yosuke is more versatile that can compliment any weakness, yukiko too good of a healer and damage dealer only downside is her physical attk and hard to utilize magic unless a second support ability is in the game. Because team composition is most important, Yosuke should be second.
Chie can be a glass cannon but because u have support characters, her kit is too good with agility better than kanji as kanji have lack in agility while chie can confirm hits with promising damage with her final skill being extremely useful.
Teddie is last because most of his supportive ability would not be utilize as much anymore and not to mention having very poor stats (when every character is at the same level of 70, teddie's stats will be the weakest overall, susceptible to damage and low agility and endurance in the late game) plus his final ability, Kamui Miracle and kanji's The Man's way is almost useless as they depend on chances and seeing Kanji and Teddie's luck both are equally less used. But teddie and kanji are strong chracters when paired up together with naoto, that's when they shine greatly and insanely strong team composition with good defense and offense. But again because of their lack in versatility, their ranking would not be high.
@@PaladineAvenger1 just focus yukiko on damage, teddie buff is the best
@@PaladineAvenger1 it is possible to use both and not having them compete for the them role, if you build teddie as an ice mage with the buffs (and just throw in the revive and status spells if you have room) then he can give out support yukiko won't have this allows sp depletion to be shared more equally which can be issue if teddie ends up doing everything and can burn up way to quickly even with the chakara ring
Having played Persona 4 quite a bit, I kinda question having Chie so low. Sure, Dragon Hustle costs quite a bit of SP, but that can easily be downplayed with a Chakra Ring which in my experience, helps Naoto minimally, and is a complete OVERKILL on Yukiko with her bountiful ocean of SP, so it's generally better to put something like that on characters who need it. Especially when you can be better off giving Naoto a +10 Magic accessory. Also, the resist on physical only serves to balance physical to some degree to magic, because the power coeficciency on Physical skills in 4 is outrageous. How outrageous? Well, let's take Persona 3, a game in which your magic users were freakin' nuts because the power coefficiencies between physical and magic were equal...ish. Sever Magic had higher power, on top of you being able to buff it with passives. What's worse? Black Viper could do more damage than an amp'd and boosted elemental magic skill. Now let's look at 4. Black Viper got the absolute nerf hammer with half it's original power, and magic also didn't fare off too well. Mean while physical skills were scaled through the roof, so in Golden, I'm sure they had to add resistance to physical so your magic casters could hold even a tea light to your physical peeps. Yes, this is how outrageous physical became people. And on Golden, you could even crit bosses for extra damage, but no knockdown, making Chie still overall stronger and crit builds using Yoshitsune absolutely broken...and you CAN'T tell me Hassou Tobi isn't broken. I'm sorry, but Chie is by far not the least useful party member in Golden. Even in my experience, Naoto and Yukiko could not do the damage of Chie nor Yoshitsune.
Hey, I'm playing my first run, I'm in junary already but how do you get the +10 magic? I only got the +10 strength in adachi's dungeon
Naoto's Shield of Justice is really good for new game+ playthroughs and can save your team in a pinch (and somehow can block margaret's 9999 megidoloan) with the right build she can use it much more consistently then chie with dragon hustle, Yukiko can use chakara ring if you want her to be more offesive whilst still retaining the heal spells and status cure spells then it will make salvation less expensive to use
Chie is probably the second best party member in the game behind teddie. He’s mad capping. Chie has insane crit rate and physical damage. Also she is the only party member with useful multi target phys. She can solo most basic encounters.
My first play through I finished with Yukiko, Naoto, and Teddie as my main party members. For NG+ I thought about just going utility rather than straight damage considering how fucking fast Yukiko destroyed the bosses
My goto team is Chie, Yukiko and Kanji on pretty much every playthrough.
Agree, chakra ring dragon hustle chie too op
List adds up, as I never switch out Yosuke, Yukiko nor Naoto. Only two downsides to this roster:
1) No team up attacks.
2) Hardcore Risette Fan remains to be my only locked trophy in over *7 Years!*
could see why he didn't include team up attacks because that is more of a factor for team comps then character rankings and in some bosses it may likely to never occur like S.Kanji or most of the late game boss fights
Kanji's Primal Force does about 2.3x as much damage (before critical hits) as Yukiko's Burning Petals or Megidolean before any Elemental Boosting equipment is applied, so Kanji will still generally deal more damage than other characters even when the boss has 50% Physical Resist. Yukiko's magic stat is competitive with Kanji's strength, comparing 88 MAG vs. 95 STR at level 99.
Naoto, however, is a different story, having weaker spells, a weaker MAG stat (Kanji's 69 MAG vs Kanji's 95 STR at Level 99), and more difficult access to Elemental Boosts/Amp, although she still can have them, as she has a weapon with Ice Boost and can wear an accessory that also gives Ice Amp, for a max of +75%.
Teddie and Yosuke can both get +100% elemental boost and similar MAG to Naoto, which makes them overall similar for boss DPS to Naoto, as Mind Charge, is effectively a 25% damage increase.
Chie is really awkward as her STR and skills are weaker than Kanji's and gets Power Charge later, and her magic is only good enough for knockdowns. Her critical rate isn't actually higher either as compared to Kanji's, as Primal Force just has a higher base critical rate as compared to God Hand.
This means that generally speaking, boss single target damage chart goes like: MC > Kanji > Yukiko > Naoto = Yosuke = Teddie > Chie.
Of Naoto, Yosuke, and Teddie, Teddie is the best support, having both better healing and buffs. Naoto's ability to delete random encounters is strong, but the MC does it better and you generally don't need 2 people to deal with random encounters.
Good insight !
Just gonna say this here but Chie and Kanji really carried me in the Margaret boss fight
Got me with that Kamui miracle self-insert. Bursted out laughing when I took like 3 full seconds to realize that it wasn't a cut out from the wiki . +1 sub my guy
LEGENDDDDDDDDD thank you for the recognition
I just finished my first playthrough of Persona 4 Golden recently, and I'm going to start a New Game+ playthrough pretty soon. Your video will really help.
Also, best girl is #2, yay!
Ah hah man off culture
How? Last I checked, Rise was #1.
@@js1031 Yukiko. It's Yukiko. Rise is just annoying.
@@Apocalypso64 Yukiko is the definition of cardboard. Rise is best girl, fight me 🥊
@@js1031 Both are good.
Nobody likes teddy?😢
I like teddie
The Chie downplay is crazy here. Her late and even mid game damage is crazy as long as you just invest in her. Sure Kanji has the higher atk but Chie gets the far better physical move pool, weapons and way better luck stat for crits. She also takes magic damage better than Kanji while also having far better evasion. Dragon Hustles SP requirment honestly isn't even that bad considering you're probably only gonna use it once after you're first set of AOE buffs go away. She even has her team attack with Yukiko which is good since she has synergy with the character you'll almost never end up benching.
I always feel like people who think Chie is not a good team member just don't know how to use her at first because she's dependant on her physical skills and her health can get low pretty quick, and then people don't care to keep leveling her up cause it's easier to use the other members. But she becomes really great only later on and it's completely worth it. I always made sure to have my whole party around the same level.
I find it more fun to mix combinations than use the same people all the time
In my personal EXP she wasn’t very helpful even in late game, but I’ve seen a lot of people argue Chie is one of if not the best party member in the game. I really do think the game is well balanced and that in all comes down to perspective rather than objectivity, which makes things like this fun to discuss!
You could say that Chie becomes great later on, but so does every party member too.
This video also covers how characters perform early game + mid-game. Chie’s skills are pretty lacking throughout most of the game, right until Adachi’s dungeon. Sooo, Chie is pretty meh throughout the majority of the dungeons, which is why she placed at last.
As much as I love Rise, it’s kind of odd to me to this day how she’s the one to be navigator. I really don’t understand the character purpose, as compared to other navigators, it doesn’t really suit her much. If she were the only character to “see” herself, that would be different, but since that character arc occurs for nearly all party members, it doesn’t really fit imo.
You didn't see Macross as I suppose...
It’s mostly for her being a “voice of truth” her navi support is based around that
We shall watch your career with great interest. But for real tho keep up the good work
In my experience with this game, Chie has always been the most OP character. There's a gap where she goes several levels without learning relevant skills, but once you get past that, she becomes a complete BEAST (if you've properly invested in critical damage, power charge, God's Hand, etc)... My endgame party was full girls: Chie, Naoto and Yukiko. Chie took care of physical damage, Yukiko provided support and used fire spells, and Naoto was the most versatile, using the remaining elements and almighty. This was the most satisfying party of any RPG I've ever played, and Chie was my favorite character (mainly because of Galactic Punt, who always got me a good laugh). My only regret was not being able to teach Yukiko Mind Charge in time, but she was still very powerful and essential.
Idk why everyone is so low on Teddie. He's the mvp GOAT in my opinion. He does strong magic damage and has all the healing and buff skills you could want.
Its a travesty that Chie doesnt learn any of the Bufudyne skills or even Ice Amp, but i guess Power Charge makes up for it. But Yosuke’s Auto Skills makes him at level in Phys damage (sometimes even better) for normal shadows
My dream team is Naoto, Kanji, and Yukiko. I usually make up for what the other members lack, so it ends up being pretty well rounded. Maybe there are better party combinations out there, but I haven't found it yet.
Yukiko is the goddess of this game like Akihiko is the god of P3.
She is just to broken
Yukiko best girl, Chie second girl, third is both Naoto n Rise, fourth is Marie period, ofc my opinion is right
My Tier:
S: Rise, Yukiko
A: Chie
B: Teddie
C: Yosuke, Naoto
D: Kanji
My opinion is based on the party member's ability to go through dungeons and fighting bosses. The S tier is pretty obvious. Chie is much better than Kanji in terms of dungeon crawling because she has aoe damage skills even though Kanji hits bosses harder. Teddie can learn marakunda and matarukaja which are really helpful. Yosuke is jack of all trades but master of none, he has everything but they are kinda meh. With Naoto, I have to choose between going for Mind Charge build for bosses or going for the cleaning mobs build with Mamudoon/Mahamaon
I have to say that I agree 👍 💯
With naoto you can use both, it’s more possible to make her useful with the mob trashing topped with a support based game plan for bosses
Rise 🙌
you overrated Naruto damage sucks she has no weakness but her endurance makes it not matter her best thing is she has covered skills which is the least important part of balance team anyway if you're good at team building she's useless her best skill is heat riser on a high speed stat on the hardest difficulty she's in contention for the worst party member with yosuke who suffers from generalist ands completely out ranked by Ted
I like having Yosuke on my team cuz I'm a dumbass who forgets to bring support personas and dekaja is awesome
No way yosuke is considered good. Jack of all trades just means he's shit at everything. The good jack of all trades is naoto. You probably wanna use chie for heat riser or kanji for his stupid good strength.
Yea my whole ranking philosophy was pretty horrible back then, even like less than a year after making that vid I was pretty confused by what I was thinking. I just never got around to making an update/"better thoughts" mini video. He's probably at the bottom for me nowadays.
We must've played very different games if you have Chie on the bottom. She's across the board one of, if not the best party member for clear, bosses, golden hands, and reaper.
Toss her a Chakra Ring after she gets her party wide heat riser and she's bananas.
But whatevs :)
My Tier for Play :
0. Rise : Navigator
1. Yukiko : Simple, Healer
2. Naoto : because she has Megidolaon for Hand Enemy, and Shield of Justice for boss and Reaper
3. Chie : AOE physical attack, suitable for hand enemies. can combo with Yukiko and have Insta-Kill except for bosses.
4. Kanji: Single physical attack, suitable for bosses
5. Yosuke : Bro..not bad. everyone loves Yosuke.. best to play outside so he doesn't get hurt.
6. Teddy: just for fun, random unique moves. Healer but prefers Yukiko.
Chie in OG P4 suffered hard from having Blank Spot as her best attack for 24 levels... She was horrid against bosses for a good chunk of the game as a result, and was outdone, even with Power Charge, by Kanji.
my endgame party was yosuke, teddie, and naoto, and then my MC having thor, so we covered every element. i know yukiko is the best for dps, but by the time i learned this she was already FAR too underleveled and i just didn't feel like grinding to get her on par with everyone else
These are my team composition.
I base them in order of who’s useful in the moment and their overall style of contribution to a fight.
Slot 1 yosuke or naoto.
Both are good at single target dps physical and magical though yosuke is more useful at magic and support while naoto is better at physical and defense.
Slot 2 kanji or chie
They are both easily the best physical dpsers in the game on top of both having their own style of magical dps
Chie excels at landing critical hits while kanji excels at dps per turn when it comes to physical attacking both are very useful when killing golden hands.
The last slot is teddie or yukiko.
Teddie and yukiko are both support roles that can remove bad status effects, deal magic based dps and heal the party when they are in danger.
Yukiko is a better healer while teddie is a better dpser/buffer.
If you want your party to have survivability bring yukiko but if you want to end a fight faster bring teddie.
Those compositions should have all you need to keep your bases covered.
my final party are yosuke naoto and yukiko they're the best, i keep chie as main party before naoto join for tarukaja, revolution, and of course galactic punt
and only use teddy (remove yukiko) for fighting margaret bc he have evade physical for hassou tobi, 30% magic damage reduction on ultimate weapon and same weakness as yosuke so i don't worry about her elec attack get repelled by yoshi if either one died. i don't have other purpose on him bc he's useless and annoying for me.
To be honest, I don't see the appeal of Dragon Hustle. Not only is it stupidly expensive, but the remaining bosses can easily negate it with Dekaja. I'd rather just have Teddie buff the team's attack and nerf the enemy's defense rather than putting all my eggs into one basket. In contrast, break skills don't work on the Shield of Justice.
My final party was Yosuke Kanji and Yukiko. Yosuke for support, Yukiko for healing and damage, and heat riser + debilitate + power charge + primal force Kanji for around 2000 damage lol
Yea fully buffed Kanji can be a monster lol.
I was rethinking my list lately and I'll probably amend my list minorly as the pinned comment. Not a grandiose shift in how I view the game, but enough differences to warrant some swapping around.
My final team for my first play through was Chie Kanji and Yukiko 😳. Their synergy was pretty good overall, only issue was the Marie boss battle. It would have been Naoto instead of Kanji but I wasn’t able to max out her social link by the end of my first play through.
Thanks for this video. I recently begun with Persona 4 Golden as my first Persona game, and I really wanted to know who were some of the better party members.
My main problem with Persona 4's party system is that the characters won't level up based on the overall level of your party.
In final fantasy 7, for example, if you don't play with some characters but want later on they will be only a few levels lower than your main party, making the grinding less boring.
I only played through the game with Yukiko, Chie and Kanji the characters that interested me the most, but when I got Naoto, I thought on switching them, but since she was lv50, while my mains were around 70, I just didn't bothered. I don't really like grinding in Persona 4.
The reason for that is because back up party members gain exp, just a small amount.
I just pick Yukiko and Chie cus they're cute, and Yosuke cus he's the homie
Glad you quit making videos god damn this list is so incorrect
That's crazy bro but yeah it literally doesn't matter who you have on your team
Didn't know Kamui Miracle could do so many things! You learn something new every day, great video :)
My three were: Yosuke, Kanji, and Teddie.
Funny, my main team was Kanji, Chie, and Yuki. smoked the game no problem. I didnt bother using Naoto because she came so late in the game. When I do another run 20 years from now im gonna use the benched heroes
Idk why this video got recommended to me now, but here's my team :
- Clearing wave :
Yu, Yosuke, Yukiko, and Naoto (you can replace Naoto with Teddie if you want to build elemental team)
- Boss fight :
1. Yu, Yosuke, Kanji, Teddie (Heat riser for all, since Yosuke learn Masuku, Kanji learn Mataru and Teddie learn Maraku)
2. Yu, Yosuke, Yukiko, Teddie (Yukiko could focus on attacking with mind charge and burning petal, while Teddie and Yosuke could support the team by healing, buffing and removing enemy buff, and also do some damage)
3. Yu, Yukiko, Chie, Naoto (Chie to spam dragon hustler and Naoto to spam shield of justice with chakra ring, while Yukiko do some damage and healing when needed)
4. Yu, Kanji, Chie, Yukiko (Yukiko for healing and Kanji + Chie do crazy amount of damage with power charge.
My opinion : Yosuke and Yukiko is OP in this game. Yosuke learning dekaja and Yukiko having the best healing and magic skill make them both must have for your team. Naoto with Hama and Mudo skill make clearing wave a lot easier, and don't forget Naoto also learn Megidolaon and mind charge to farm golden hand. Teddie is actually good if you want Yukiko to focus on attacking, i mean he has buff and healing like Yukiko, and don't forget he also has a better bufu skill than Chie. Chie and Kanji kind of okay I guess, I mean Chie has Apt pupil and dragon hustler which make her better than Kanji, since you don't need to put omega drive for your accessories and Kanji is good in boss battle since he learn primal force, which has the highest damage in single target physical skill compare to god's hand, combine it with omega drive and power charge, you can see some of those damage to bosses.
this is why rise is best girl
Ok, yeah. With the fact that this is based on Golden's completely busted excuse for character balance(you can really tell they were just testing some things for persona 5 that persona 4 was never really intended to be balanced around hence Rise being entirely broken), I can somewhat see a lot of these placements even if I don't agree with them. I also generally consider bossing capacity to be the be all end all so if I were to do a ranking, the different priority and version of focus would mean I'd have to make a few major swaps around on my list. It'd probably go something like:
7. Teddie: Yukiko has better healing and Yu can handle buffs and debuffs way better, his one major trait he's definitely the best at is ice magic but ice on chie is such a non factor it's not really much of a bar to clear.
6. Rise: Really nice support for dungeon crawling, but I consistently struggle to max her social link by endgame so I don't get to enjoy her best original skills for very long plus OG Rise doesn't do much in bosses.
5. Naoto: Her and Kanji are very close in terms of ranking for me. Both provide solid traits and skills to either normal encounters and bosses respectively. However, since fighting bosses are where my priorities lie for these rankings and since Kanji brings a bit more to regular encounters than Naoto does to boss fights(Naoto's boss damage is decent but she drains SP fast) especially with his AOE followup attack.
4. Kanji: I said a good bit of what I wanted to say about him in the Naoto segment but I've got a couple of other things. His sheer tankiness is insane and it let's him play pretty aggressively even with his big expensive physical skills. He also tends to crit a lot but that might be anecdotal. All and all, he's a good tank for bosses even without power charge and his crits can sometimes give you free all out attacks.
3. Yosuke: Probably the character with the most minimal changes from original to golden, so most of what the video said holds up here. A really strong all rounder who can handle basically whatever you need him to pretty reliably, but also aggressively mid in terms of a ranking due to his all rounder status.
2. Yukiko: The single best healer in this entire franchise don't @ me. With her fan from the Contrarian King she has as much SP as Kanji has HP and god damn is she a life saver. Her consistent and reliable healing gives you all the opportunity in the world to play around with personas and playstyles and party compositions. I don't know what happened to her in golden, but in OG persona 4 her attack magic was only ever pretty solid even with her boost and amp together. That said, her much higher SP pool, access to salvation, and her getting her healing skills earlier than Teddie if I remember right just make her by far and away the best healer in the game and beyond.
1. Chie: I genuinely don't know what you were thinking putting Chie at the bottom of the list. Maybe Golden really did utterly nerf her and physical skills into the ground(I don't play much golden I think I made my disdain for it clear earlier here but I've ranted about it much further and don't know all the more detailed changes), but for the original a lot of the points you brought up were just confusing. I know a few mid bosses and optional bosses have some physical resistance but if any main bosses actually do resist physical in the original it's such a small amount it's unnoticeable and the raw power of physical usually still has them outpacing magic if a boss has no weaknesses. Not only that, but chie in the original has the 2nd highest HP behind Kanji. Now while she takes a lot of damage and still kind or feels like a glass cannon, her high HP count often means she can still get off an attack she charged up for after being hurt and before being healed. Speaking of Chie's Charged up attacks, Powee Charge + God's Hand = GG no re. It utterly shreds even the tankiest bosses around and for me it's the one way I can still hit 4 digits even when I'm significantly under leveled. Chie is OP in original persona 4 and fun enough to play that it's certainly not a bad thing so in conclusion, if Golden really did make her the worst by a mile then you can make that the cherry on top of the reasons I'm not a fan of Persona 4 Golden.
I can respect all of your placements as well because, as I said, everyone is great and this just comes down to what we value and how we view the game. I have had a LOT of people tell me Chie is broken, and I just struggle to share that sentiment in play.
I do think Teddie is underrated here. While he is definitely outclassed in support/healing by Yu/Yukiko, it’s the fact he can handle that(all atk buff/all defense debuff/healing) that allows everyone else to go full offense and shred through enemies. He really doesnt need to attack himself if he’s a really great support only member. But to each their own!
@@TatsuHaven for sure. I know my take on teddie has been a hot one for a while. I understand how he's supposed to work, but with everyone else having at least one buff or debuff skill plus items if you really need them means I just can't feel the same impressive difference I've seen discussed. Also, everything I've seen and experienced with golden's Rise totally justifies her being up there too under your list's parameters(again, she epitomizes the balance issue of introducing stuff for the next game that the original wasn't designed around, had a more fun version of that with p3p). The biggest thing I'm surprised I don't connect on is getting yukiko going as a magic attacker. I've seen it done in videos of even original p4 but she's always been pretty mid in terms of magic dps for me. Similar to teddie but not quite as crazy as naoto or yosuke, but her healing just carries regardless.
For me I’d my best team was Yosuke,teddie and yukiko. I switched chie in and out. And although kanji and naoto are my favorite characters I wouldn’t develop them enough. Teddie always gave easy buffs and was too easy to grow as well as Yosuke and yukiko. I’d also like to nominate rise as the absolute beast of a navigator. Futaba is definitely one of my favorite characters but I’m pretty sure she never was THAT consistent as rise is.
Teddie is unbearable and embearassing
Kanji even though most of his skills are tied in physical it’s far from useless.
Kanji has the ability to deal massive damage to bosses that are knocked down.
Also kanji can buff the entire party’s attack and debuff all enemy’s accuracy and evasion.
I’m level 60 with kanji right now and he was able to hit 800 damage fighting that optional boss in naotos lab.
Any boss that can be knocked down in some form kanji can just waste most of its hp as long as he’s got his power charge ready available at rank 6 of his social link.
I see so many people saying they never use kanji and I don’t know why.
He’s got the physical dps chie has minus the fragility.
I even bought this thing off the shopping channel called the red battle suit which reduces melee damage against kanji paired with his triple evade for wind skills it makes him an insanely strong tank.
Yukiko being in the number 2 spot is highway robbery.
i ran yukiko, chie, and naoto/kanji for pretty much the whole game. i’m honestly pretty surprised at chie and kanji being in last, they were really powerful with super strong phys skills and charge for me. i might have my perspective skewed though because i never really leveled yosuke or teddie past lv 50 when everyone else was at lv 99.
How dare you rank Kanji and Chie so low lol. Kanji is like my favorite RPG party member ever - outside of a Final Fantasy game that is - and Chie.....well, Galactic Punt is AWESOME 😂
My problem with Teddie is I can often throw a support persona on Yu that had better skills than Teddie for most points of the game, and why would I use a party slot for setup every 3 turns when Yu can just setup and switch back whenever I need it.
Because you can use that first turn to mind charge/power charge. Teddie buffs, you charge, Teddie buffs, you attack, Teddie heals, you attack, and then repeat.
Yukiko my beloved 😍
Chie on bottom spot, opinion invalid
Rise support is broken in p4g and probably the most broken support in persona series
idk if i can consider Rise the best party member the same reason i cannot Yu, they are fixed party members and you cant pick them out, i mean you do have to "go out of your way" to buff both of them but you should always try to improve party members that are always active
Chie can be quite nice if you throw a chakra ring on her and get Bufudyne from maxing out her Bike rides.
and using a chakra ring on her isn't wasted provided you aren't using both Naoto and Yukiko, especially Naoto since Yukiko practically never loses her SP unless you're either actively trying to or aren't focusing on SP preservation enough
Why do so many of these bosses resist phys?
i never used yosuke in my entire playthrough. i just stomped through anything in my way with yu/chie/yukiko/kanji lmao
Yosuke and Yukiko stayed on my team
But...You are forced to use Yosuke for the first 2 dungeons.
@@benja-tp1sp well yeah except for that, but i got rid of him as soon as i could
Just to tell, once i unlocked Teddie he never left my party. In fact for a few battles, he overtook my protagonist, which i wonder how did he do that in the first place.
@@alatsus This was my team as well! Mostly because i really like Kanji, Chie and Yukiko :)
I use Yosuke, Chie, and Yukiko. Yukiko's a good healer and magical attacker, Chie has strong physical skills, and Yosuke is a good balance of physical attacks and magic, he can Masukukaja the party and can dispel enemy buffs.
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I think the funniest part of this video for me is that in my first playthrough Yukiko was literally the first person I dropped. (Ended up being Kanji, Naoto, and Teddie in the end). I just never used her. So seeing her so high up and two of my 3 party members near the bottom had me laughing
Honestly I super undersold Teddie here(wow it's been over 2 years). I think the strongest party for how I like to play is probs Yukiko Kanji Teddie. The former two are the best damage dealers for magic and phys and Teddie comes equipped with party healing, attack buff, and enemy defense debuff. You can really turn things to shreds with these guys, but it's not like the game is so difficult that you need some optimal setup.
Will say though that Naoto is still very helpful especially for the optional super boss, having Shield of Justice is always handy + no weakness to worry about.
I really like this video but in my opinion the biggest flaw is the individual strength vs the team synergy. This is because the fact that the mc pretty much gives good synergy if you choose your personas right. Teddie for example gets far outclassed once you use a persona with all auto-mataru auto-maraku and auto-masuku. The point I'm trying to make is once the mc gets better personas, team synergy really stops mattering. So with that in mind the list I personally make is this.
Teddie (gets outclassed by mc)
Naoto (only really good for grinding also gets outclassed by mc)
Kanji (powerful physical stats)
Chie (outclassed kanji with strength and agnyastra, gods hand, and power charge)
Yosuke (jack of all trade)
Yukiko (rediculosly powerful magic)
Rise (yeah support is busted)
MC (if done right easily can support an entire team while out damaging an entire team)
If the MC wasn't in the equation, I actually would agree since team synergy would be far more important. However once you do bring the mc into the argument, team synergy becomes less important in place of raw output of damage due to the mc's ability to be the best support and the best damage dealer in the game.
While I understand your point, I feel like the MC should almost always be on DPS duty unless the situation is dire since they have the highest DPS potential of the group.
In your example, Auto-Everything would only last for 3 turns. After that, who’s gonna manage buffs and debuffs?
Teddie can keep the party doing max damage with a cycle of Matarukaja, Marakunda, and healing while everyone else attacks. This allows MC and the party of your choice to focus on DPS as you please, which is why team synergy is important to me regardless if the MC is in the equation.
Yeah I can see that I still think you can do both with the right choice of persona but I guess it comes down to different ways to play
As an aside I'm genuinely curious to see how you will do this for Royal. The sheer strength and flexibility of the mc honestly makes the argument apply more to Royal (apart form team synergy which I worded poorly). Furthermore apart from haru (she's not bad just hard to fit the way i play) you now build your team to have a almost laughable amount of strength. Like if you want a physical build (mc, ryuji, yusuke, Kasumi or makoto). Or if you want a magic build (mc, ann, makoto, morgana).
I feel like at some point I'll probably have my hand forced to make a video of this for other Persona titles, with each game having their own set of quirks and such that'll make it much harder to compare than in P4.
In P4, even the last party member has at least 3-4 dungeons for you to get some great use out of them. I cannot say the same for everyone in every other title(except P1/2).
Couple that with traits in Royal which will make things SUUUUUPER tricky, AI in P3/FES vs Portable's party control, and then the giant can of worms that is P1/P2 people all being able to use multiple personas but each character has different affinities with each persona, and yea
I got my work cut out for me lol
my Final Party is Chie, Naoto and Teddie. Chie for Physicals, Naoto for Megidolaon and Teddie for Debuffs. I had a dilemma of replacing Yukiko with Teddie, tho Teddie after getting Samecarm and Mediarahan then I Swapped Yukiko out since Teddie can do heal and debuffs, also Yukiko's high SP isnt really that useful considering that Rise can recover 10% of SP per battle.
"Physical's overrated"
"lol" said god's hand and primal force
"lmao" they added
Chie??? My Chie was so broke she was easily S tier...
Chie, Yousuke and Yukiko for me
The only weakness of this team is no Matarukaja user
I can replace Chie with kanji but we won't hVe Dragon Hustle as a buff
Person4 is simple, do this and win.
1.mc debilitate
2. Yosuke Youth wind
3. Yukiko guard/damage
4. Teddy mataru or chie hustle.
Round 2
1. Yu power charge
.2 yosuke guard
3. Yukiko heal
4. Whatever
Turn 3
Yu HASSOU TOBI
I'm wondering if mind and particularly power charge may be overrated because 1) the attack can miss and you will have wasted 2 turns and hp/sp, 2) rise can charge up the party after used meaning a wasted turn and sp, and 3) may be missing out on extra physical crit chances. I think consistent damage, versatility with turn usage, and allowing a different useful skill to slot in is better.
Rise’s charge actually stacks with the base charge, a characters hit can increase with the help of buffs and debuffs, critical hit chances is more like a bonus unlike 5 you can’t really do it for definite
Great video man! Your pacing and editing was super well done! I actually found you off TH-cam Studio's "Your Viewers Also Watch" and I'm glad to see my small community has lead me here. Keep up the great work man!
'preciate the high regards, thank you!
I think the list changes a bit when we consider runs without the bike skills, since those require giving up time to max everything in a casual run. The craziest part is that Yukiko is still one of the best characters even without Mind Charge.
Chie meanwhile can’t even learn tier three magic spells without the bike dates which is terrible.
Yosuke also spends a lot of levels waiting for phys skills to be a available, but using him with kitchen knife set pays off in third semester.
disliked and closed the video because chie is one of the best party members, definitely better than kanji
I ended up kanji, Chie, Naoto. Yukiko was an alternate but I found that I made the Hero a way better healer and attack mage than she could ever be
Damn my final team was kanji,yosuke and Teddie 💀
On my Very Hard playthrough I used Yukiko, Yosuke, and Naoto. (kanji until Naoto) Was pretty easy not gonna lie… Rise was also super clutch
Yukiko S tier Hero best support gg
Yosuke
Yukiko
Naoto (Kanji for bosses)
NEVER used Teddie, traded Chie for Kanji as soon as i unlocked him.
In vanilla P4, I had Yukikko knock off 800 HP off the final boss with just a fire spell. 10% damage right there.
Sure, I might have overgrinded somewhat .... but pretty good for a supposed healer xD