A drum machine without the option for shovelling the outputs through a mixer and fx/comp/gates etc is a royal pita. And those nanopots are made for Playmobil peeple. Apart from that, it's a lovely coffee table conversation piece.
@@alexwestconsulting They're 200-225 sterling here. So it is true. You're welcome to pay as much as you like just to prove your point. The shipping and taxes you pay are mostly related to protectionism and a large ocean.
Yeah! Something I own finally made it onto Bad Gear! Aside from that Korg Super Drums thing. But we don't talk about that. At least not in front of the children.
@@rachelar Get the roland tr8s which is good enough. If you are using software get the roland I cloud version which sounds good. The original 808 is a classic but too expensive & not worth the £3000/$3000 plus for it if you’re just after the sounds. I replaced my 808 with the the rebirth 338 software version in 1996. Wasn’t disappointed at all.
It doesn't sound bad. But I would choose the fully analog Behringer clone over it, all day and every day. Always wondered why this was produced when the TR-8 was already filling that niche.
I have no idea how much time you spend on your videos, but your aesthetic of inserting gear into old movies, and those robots (what?!), is such fun. :D
I think the D-05 was the best boutique offering. It wasn’t digital trying to be analog. My understanding is that it was pretty much identical to the original, other than the small size.
Totally thought so too, but now that they stopped making them and used prices have shot up, I’ve got my eye on the new boutique jd-08. Has a bunch of controls like the original and bitimbral too. When I saw it on this episode I was intrigued and am amazed to find out it’s true. They’re beasts.
I passed over 3 different Boutique models new/used over the years but immediately went for the D-05 when I saw one used in a shop for this exact reasoning. Never regretted it; sounds good and fits that sonic niche, has all the original sound card patches thrown in, and it talks to most patch editors well. My only lament is that it's a little lacking in MIDI implementation.
It’s difficult to grow tired of such a clean and ‘simple’ sounding drum machine. I have a diy ‘yocto 808’ clone that I spent a week soldering together. Nothing was more rewarding than firing it up for the first time and hearing that kick clap and snare knowing you worked so hard for it. Then the boutique came out, then the Behringer. But I’ll never part with something I spent so much time on that is uniquely mine!
Bad Gear, I'm totally inspired by your videos. They are definitely informative but, more importantly they bring a smile to my face often. Keep it up!!! You have a definite gift in effective communication and without doubt have helped many in determining what gear may have a positive benefit if they were to be incorporated into their own set ups. Much of my studio would be considered obsolete or outdated but I become encouraged when I see these items showcased on your channel. There is no Bad Gear only a failure on the operator to find it's potential. :-)
I love that they put the trigger out on this thing, but didn't make the Juno boutiques capable of triggering the arpeggiator with the External Clock inputs. Must be different departments!
3:36 "Compressor that does absolutely nothing but make stuff louder." I have been suspecting my Roland keyboard of this for a while now so thanks for practically confirming it.
2:16 meme will be shown to my son today!! You packed the memes dense in this one, I have to rewatch your episodes at least twice at slower speed to absorb them all! Watching it once doesn’t have the impact.
Amazing video as per usual! As always, the wordplay was absolutely on point ("more rover"), and the jams were awesome, especially the first one. I've got to say, I'm impressed by the sound of this unit, those bass drums have tons of low end weight, and to my ears, it sounds pretty authentic!
@@AudioPilz Indeed, if one was to be chosen for Bad Gear it should be the TR-8S, which is not an enhanced, but in strange ways restricted version of the TR-8 if you leave away the sampling.
@@r0ck53n why would you say that ? have felt the TR8S has been a worthwhile update, yes you loose the scatter control knob .. but you gain in so many other areas, samples, FM WAY more effects.. can go on ..
I recommend that you do a behind the scenes look at JUST HOW MUCH WORK goes into your videos. I see camera and motion tracking used, masking, etc ... And then just the amount of time and research it must take to track down all the little snippets you use. Them there's the music you produce, using each piece of new gear you review. Them the sheer amount of time it must take for one man to edit it all together. Well done my friend. You're videos are legendary. Or will be :)
I have an TR-08 and a MPC ONE. I can create complicated hi hat rolls in midi and send them to the 808 which sound gnarly. But honestly I'd say its limitations offer some creativity.
But seriously I would like to buy an entire album with the complete works of all episode, a collector's edition so to speak. With a hoodie, a T-shirt and a cassette and/or digital download. I would buy it the moment it came out, yesterday, on backorder...Hope this dream of mine can become true one day...
@@mycosys I have a multiple, one is the infamous Nakamichi BX-125E , a Denon DRS-810 and the last one is an heirloom from my granddad a PIONEER CT-F1000 I kinda have a thing for tape...Love the sound of it, to me it sounds better then reel to reel, but that's probably because of nostalgia...
I have and love the trio as well. I thought I'd never be interested in a 606 boutique but they managed to come up with a bunch of interesting new features that made it worthwhile after all.
By the time I got back from observing high level Catholicism /organ shredding at the cathedral and slamming back mugs of punsch at the xmas market the party had dwindled to one awkward cadre of gentleman standing under a disco ball in complete silence. It was terrifying and I’ll see you next time!
I don't get the boutique hate. I *love* my D05. Not only does it sound amazing, it's 100% accurate to the original, to the point where some of my really glitchy patches from the original work perfectly.
Yeah I love the boutiques. They´re not perfect and they´re getting better with every new generation, but the experience of interacting with something inspired in a vintage gear is there, but there´s a lot of snobbism in the synthesizer community, and digital is a bad word, Volca, Boutique... and nobody cares what other people thinks if the instrument is good for you. I see a lot of people complaining about the size, but boutiques are sound modules, so of course you will need a controller. Maybe for live situation they´re too small, but again, Roland never sold the boutiques for a live situation, they´re selling this line as sound modules for the studio. At the same time, a lot of people complaining about the boutique or volca size and they love Eurorack so basically some people wants to look more smarter than other or they just love trolling. And they{re not expensive. A VST insturments is around 150, an audio interface probably the same money, and if you add a hardware controller with knobs and sliders (even when they´re small), they´re not expensive at all.
Unpopular opinion maybe, but I love the Boutique range. They're just so adorable! Mind you, I only own the TB-03, but I'm currently knitting a little hat for it. With the SP-404 mk2 out, have you ever done the SP-404 range? I have the 404a, and I love it to bits while also hating its guts. As an effects box it's genius, as a sampler it's fun, but making something complete with it is frustrating.
@@AudioPilz The only TH-cam video on my channel is also the only thing I have actually managed to kind of finish with the SP-404a. In my garden, with a complicated beverage...
@@ericvernooij2917 I think that's mainly just our fault. The sp404 distracts you so easily with all its features. I think if you put your mind to playing, and stop creating samples you can do something. Someone called it the strat of samplers, like a guitar, I don't think it's meant to be played on its own really. Creamy track tho.
I like to think of the entire Roland boutique line like the little plates and spoons my grandmother collected from the different places she vacationed. They’re just fun to collect and look at. Except the D-05. That one is probably the truest to the original.
i'm in kind of an awkward position since i don't really have space for a big 12 channel mixer, so ideally with a drum machine I'd want a lot of processing/effects options built in. Because of that I've never really found an ideal Drum Machine for me. I do like my Volca Drum quite a bit but being limited to 16 Patterns with no fills is a crime.
Have you ever thought of getting one of these small Allen&Heath mixers? Decent EQs and FX with nice routing options and VERY small footprint for the feature set
tr8s which was already mentioned in this episode should be sorta able to, but more generic samplers like digitakt or mpc would better do that job for the same money
Sample-based stuff has its own limitations, but I heartily recommend UVI’s Beatbox Anthology 2 software. I have their Vintage Vault 3, and Beatbox may well be the single strongest part of the collection. Over 100 machines sampled, and you can mix and match sounds from different machines to your heart’s delight. It has effects, but they can be turned down or off.
This should go for £200 max. Personally i think if you're going to make a tr808 nowawadays every sound should have much more extreme tweaks -- pitch and length etc
Last week I asked for more boutiques and Florian delivered :D do you feel huge when you play it?? That tempo knob is GINORMOUS So funny how small the other encoders are, seeing it next to the TB-3 really puts it in perspective for me. Reminds me of Volca encoders
@@AudioPilz yeah, it does the job, still just something that would be nice. I say this with my TR8 used entirely with USB audio only......but, hypothetically, if I had a big mixer...oh the possibilities
FWIW, I've never used one of these, but I do have an original TR-808 and have put the Roland Cloud 808 (which theoretically should sound pretty much identical to the ACB hardware) up against the original. If I give it a bit of thought (and add a bit of saturation plugin), I can create a "digital" 808 sound that is nearly indistinguishable from my 41 year old analog machine. I mean, you could give your money to Satan and get an RD8 I suppose, and maybe that Buli machine has an edge in performance just due to size and format. But in the studio, I don't think you're missing much soundwise between this thing and an original 808. Also, keep in mind, that the OG 808 is kind of a pain in the ass to use and has very few features. It would have been nice to see this 21st Century update at least include a "tune" function. Alas, you're probably better off with a TR8 or TR8S.
Be careful, you'll have the analogue originals TH-cam gang upset. According to their superior ear and tone detection they'd hear the difference immediately on any given recording.
@@23bit76 I think there are far fewer of those people than people think. Analog Originals provide a benefit which is different from the final sound, as most of us who own them know.
i feel like the “too small for live use” is the only real issue it has, and it’s also the only thing i don’t really make use of with mine because i use mine for entirely different purposes. to me it sounds fine, and the USB out doesn’t bother me as a mac user. a lot of people talk about the RD-8 being both better and cheaper but the TR-08 being as small as it is made it the better choice for my setup since it sits nicely on my desk easily within reach without taking up too much space. i also don’t entirely mind it not having more modern/anachronistic features since i picked mine up intentionally because of the sequencer being more accurate to the original. if i want more modern 808 sounds and a more modern sequencer i have plenty of options in the box for that. enjoyed the video tho, i love your channel cause you take honest looks at gear and try to find where they fit into your own workflow, and i appreciate that honesty much more than the legions of nerds that just complain about “oh it’s small and digital” even if a lot of the things that were negatives to you were positives to me.
Likely unpopular opinion, I vastly prefer the sounds of every other x0x over 808. (606 especially, it's so nice and soft when used in a chillouty song). Although it's the signature part of it, the kick is just too bassy, even in the unmodded version. Though I'm not a fan of most of the genres known for the 808, so I guess it's just a matter of my taste.
Why don't you make an episode about the OG tb303? I know I am not going to make many friends here, but the thing doesn't have midi, it's a pain to program and tune. It's a very simple synth for the price...
£400 for one of these feels pretty steep as well. If you want an 808-alike I'd say either save up the extra cash for the TR-8S (I love mine despite its limitations), or - and I feel perhaps a wee bit dirty saying this - save yourself £100 - 150 and buy a Behringer RD-8. The reality is the latter is really good at being a TR-808 clone for a lot less dollarpoundeuro than the TR-08.
Having grown up learning to sequence on a TR505 and not really spending much time in the electronic or hip hop scene, I've always hated the 808, I've never understood it, and I'm tired of being at the gas station and hearing 808 beats with what must be 64th note hihats blasting from shitbox SUVs. That being said, I'm glad Roland has offered it in this module series, which overall I'm coming to enjoy (the JU-06A is a killer unit that makes a hardware Juno accessible and easy to integrate into an automated DAWless rig), and I wouldnt mind if they brought back the 505 with some improvements as well.
I'm a big fan of acb. Much more so than rompler based synthesis. But I don't know why anyone would buy a TR-08 when the TR-8s isn't that much more cash (used anyway), but I actually like the very small form factor of the boutiques. Anyway, I'd never use this except for fun. Way better overlapping gear out there like the Elektron Rytm or Jomox stuffs. Why haven't you done a vid on your Jomox yet? That thing is classic "bad gear". So frustrating to use in a way, so limited (by design, but so dialable relative to other kick generators), but the results are so glorious.
I went with the TR-08 + 09 instead of a TR-8S because I can use all the sounds simultaneously (the TR-8S lets you mix and match but has a max of 11) and I love the classic look and workflows. The tiny knobs don't bother me at all, but then I'm not trying to do Jeff Mills style performances on them either. That said, I wish the TR-08 had a mute mode you could lock into instead of the two finger contortion.
Please try to do the TR-606 next or in the future. They are still cheap enough and no one seems to like them at all....perfect for Bad Gear! I like mine a lot, $25US on small town craigslist! Also, what do you edit your videos with? They are great.
Next time please do a sound warning when you play such a massive kick through the built-in speaker, you nearly knocked all my furniture over :( Edit: Seeing your face pasted all over things is too funny, the spiderbot just killed me - AudioPilz stickers when? :D
I'll take the Behringer RD-8 a 💯 times instead of this boutique 808, I really don't understand why Roland is doing that, is not that hard for a big company like them to bring back their products. If Dave Smith of Sequencial wich is a smaller company compared to Roland brought back the Prophet 5/10, why Roland can't, and don't forget Korg with ARP comebacks.
@@AudioPilz Yes, and not only that, is cheaper and have individual outputs and sounds great, Behringer Is doing what they don't have any interest to do and for haters, don't blame Behringer for cloning stuff from Roland either.
@@carlosserrano3985 I got TD3 its a full plastic cheap box compared to their Crave, but sound like it need to, and the menu commands are, like the old tb 303, and... still a nightmare for beginers, like good old games very hard.
Never has gear given me so much “vst-in-a-box”-feeling than the Boutique series. That, and the fact that adding just a single output to this drumbox should be punished by law.
@@guysmiley7289 I don't own one, but I tend to prefer stuff that is, you know, usable. What was your point exactly, 'cos your comment about Uli's 'toys' seems to indicate that I entireley understood you the first time. Whatever, gear snobs are quite welcome to pay through the nose for actually crappy bad gear so long as it is 'authentic'.
Never seen the appeal of the TR-08. It's always seemed massively overpriced considering it's running the same OS as the big AIRA with most of the functions locked off, and there are so many multi-sample packs available at various price points including half-decent ones for literally nothing. I do prefer using hardware in general but ultimately once it's in a mix with other stuff are you really going to be able to tell enough of a difference between this and a sample pack to justify a £400 price tag? I'd say probably not. IMO Roland really dropped the ball with the analogue revival considering what brands like Korg and Arturia have been able to do with *actual* analogue hardware at reasonable prices over the past five years.
here on another random video to compliment your style. I can't believe i silently mouthed "ticking all the boxes" when i knew you were going to say it.
A drum machine without the option for shovelling the outputs through a mixer and fx/comp/gates etc is a royal pita. And those nanopots are made for Playmobil peeple. Apart from that, it's a lovely coffee table conversation piece.
That sums it up perfectly!!!
Also worth pointing out that a Behringer RD8 is around half the price of the TR-08 new.
@@secretelitemusic no it isn't. this just isn't true. tr-08 goes readily for $400 USD and the RD8 is on sale (rather perpetually) for about $329.
@@alexwestconsulting
They're 200-225 sterling here. So it is true.
You're welcome to pay as much as you like just to prove your point. The shipping and taxes you pay are mostly related to protectionism and a large ocean.
@@secretelitemusic never protect anything
That 808 kick on the built-in speaker had me laughing for longer than i care to admit
😂😂😂
Can't you go to midi though and enhance it?
same. I was expecting to be underwhelmed, and the delivery of the underwhelmingness was perfection.
@@eamonmcdonough good question maybe a Arturia might change it bstep pro
Best part of a Friday ❤️
TGIF❤️❤️❤️
That clap at the end of the intro tells everything needed.
I really liked that clap tbh!
Yeah! Something I own finally made it onto Bad Gear!
Aside from that Korg Super Drums thing. But we don't talk about that. At least not in front of the children.
Just saw you using the 08 in the Korg/Arp vid - great stuff
Sometimes the conservation of future classics starts at the beginning... look forward to your review of the then classic TR08 in 30 years :)
what dont you own? ( jk G,a,s is real!!! You have an amazing set up g, love your music)
Would like another Audiopilz vs. Alex Ball crossover please!
@@kristianTV1974 yeah, that was great.
Oh man, all the robots in the final jam with your head on them are absolutely hilarious. What an age we live in.
Thanks! The age of AudioPilz Robot Takeover;)
@@AudioPilz …that’s why you were able to go outside as an Austrian without a mask and break quarantine. Are you not man, you are bad (gear) robot!
Definitely not bad gear !! Had an original 808 back in the day. This is good enough without paying a fortune for an original today.
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@@AudioPilz welcome.
Can't get it to show up in any DAW (Mac) for. The multi outs/ins. Any suggestions?
@@rachelar Get the roland tr8s which is good enough. If you are using software get the roland I cloud version which sounds good. The original 808 is a classic but too expensive & not worth the £3000/$3000 plus for it if you’re just after the sounds. I replaced my 808 with the the rebirth 338 software version in 1996. Wasn’t disappointed at all.
'more-rover' tickled the hell out of me! Thank you.
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It doesn't sound bad. But I would choose the fully analog Behringer clone over it, all day and every day. Always wondered why this was produced when the TR-8 was already filling that niche.
I think they made shiploads of money with the "authentic" looks;)
The Behringer clone is pretty good. The inbuilt filter and compression alone make it great for live play!
@@AudioPilz Juno G flashback, looks like a Juno but ain't nutting like a Juno
Exactly, because the truth is, the TR-08 is running the EXACT same code built into the TR-8 and plugin.
Because hipsters buy anything labeled as "authentic". Even if it is just software in a neat little hardware package.
The average frequency of hella dank memes/second in your videos is something we should all aspire to. The Meme Gods bless you 🙏😇
Thank you!!!
Today at my therapist I will be discussing the effects of having to see every piece of gear I own on episodes of Bad Gear from Audio Pilz... ouch.
Question: is your therapist a Behringer fan?
@@AudioPilz Dr. Uli is what I call him.
Forget the review itself.. this video is worth watching for the humor alone.
Thank you so much!
I have no idea how much time you spend on your videos, but your aesthetic of inserting gear into old movies, and those robots (what?!), is such fun. :D
Thanks! It has turned into a full time profession
oh ja 😎🤘
@@AudioPilz What is the movie at the beginning?
@@RodBeauvex look like a Conan version, mixed with THE epic movie Vibration!?
This has gotta be one of my favorite 3rd jam genre names so far
Thank you so much!!!
Even on my day off, I have to make sure I squeeze this fantastic channel into my day.
So happy to hear that, thanks!
I think the D-05 was the best boutique offering. It wasn’t digital trying to be analog. My understanding is that it was pretty much identical to the original, other than the small size.
Totally thought so too, but now that they stopped making them and used prices have shot up, I’ve got my eye on the new boutique jd-08. Has a bunch of controls like the original and bitimbral too. When I saw it on this episode I was intrigued and am amazed to find out it’s true. They’re beasts.
Yeah, that one seems to be quite authentic!
I passed over 3 different Boutique models new/used over the years but immediately went for the D-05 when I saw one used in a shop for this exact reasoning. Never regretted it; sounds good and fits that sonic niche, has all the original sound card patches thrown in, and it talks to most patch editors well. My only lament is that it's a little lacking in MIDI implementation.
@@roxyamused just get a D550? Buy mine?!
It’s difficult to grow tired of such a clean and ‘simple’ sounding drum machine. I have a diy ‘yocto 808’ clone that I spent a week soldering together. Nothing was more rewarding than firing it up for the first time and hearing that kick clap and snare knowing you worked so hard for it. Then the boutique came out, then the Behringer. But I’ll never part with something I spent so much time on that is uniquely mine!
Nice! Thought of building one myself too
"Moreover" made me laugh out loud, thank you for that.
Woof woof
Bad Gear, I'm totally inspired by your videos. They are definitely informative but, more importantly they bring a smile to my face often. Keep it up!!! You have a definite gift in effective communication and without doubt have helped many in determining what gear may have a positive benefit if they were to be incorporated into their own set ups. Much of my studio would be considered obsolete or outdated but I become encouraged when I see these items showcased on your channel. There is no Bad Gear only a failure on the operator to find it's potential. :-)
So happy to hear that, thanks!!!
Drums. On the second jam were nice 💯( I bet two years later u know it’s worth every penny )
I would pay real money for an album of stuff like Jam 1. So good. 👌
I wouldn’t I’d borrow it and re mix it . On a fake boutique
Two jams? Ambassador, you are spoiling us
There's a third one on my Patreon (shameless plug;)
I appreciate the time you put into making these, once again another brilliant vid!
Thanks for watching!
The return of Robo-Florian. My day is made.
Robo-Florian Takeover!!!
I love that they put the trigger out on this thing, but didn't make the Juno boutiques capable of triggering the arpeggiator with the External Clock inputs. Must be different departments!
At least the TR-08 has a trigger out;)
3:36 "Compressor that does absolutely nothing but make stuff louder."
I have been suspecting my Roland keyboard of this for a while now so thanks for practically confirming it.
i forgot I watched and liked this video awhile ago, im glad I rewatched this LOL
Thanks!!!
2:16 meme will be shown to my son today!!
You packed the memes dense in this one, I have to rewatch your episodes at least twice at slower speed to absorb them all! Watching it once doesn’t have the impact.
Thanks! Bad Gear isn't necessarily a linear medium;)
Yeahhh nine minutes of pure delight
Thanks!!!❤️
Amazing video as per usual! As always, the wordplay was absolutely on point ("more rover"), and the jams were awesome, especially the first one. I've got to say, I'm impressed by the sound of this unit, those bass drums have tons of low end weight, and to my ears, it sounds pretty authentic!
Thanks! The sound quality was not an issue on that one
Bad Gear + Roland = A good start to the weekend.
Roland FTW!!!
dude you are massively entertaining - keep it up!
Thank you!!!
The ‘moreover’ gag deserves special mention here. 👌 Coffee just came out my nose.
Thanks! Coffee is for drinking, y'know;)
"Moreover"...picture of a pack of dogs. Well played sir 😂
Thanks! Woof-woof...
This took me a minute 😅
The 8s is fucking legendary. All the TR sounds, a really nice percussive FM engine, 8 assignable outputs, and some pretty damn nice fx.
Yeah, that one is a nice package
The editing in your videos is outstanding 😂
Thank you!!!
I usually have already bought said bad gear before seeing your awesome videos
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i love your channel - thanks for the good work!
Thanks for watching!
possibly your greatest video to date!
Thank you!!!
The TR-8S is a fantastic drum machine (IMO). I would just save up and go for that one.
I really enjoyed playing the TR-8 too
@@AudioPilz Indeed, if one was to be chosen for Bad Gear it should be the TR-8S, which is not an enhanced, but in strange ways restricted version of the TR-8 if you leave away the sampling.
I had the TR8 before and I somehow regret that I have sold it for the TR8s.
@@r0ck53n why would you say that ? have felt the TR8S has been a worthwhile update, yes you loose the scatter control knob .. but you gain in so many other areas, samples, FM WAY more effects.. can go on ..
@@Elctrc why ?
Your editing and delivery are hilarious 😂
Thank you!!!
I recommend that you do a behind the scenes look at JUST HOW MUCH WORK goes into your videos. I see camera and motion tracking used, masking, etc ... And then just the amount of time and research it must take to track down all the little snippets you use.
Them there's the music you produce, using each piece of new gear you review. Them the sheer amount of time it must take for one man to edit it all together.
Well done my friend. You're videos are legendary. Or will be :)
Thank you so much!!!❤️❤️❤️
This was really funny! Socially acceptable Tuesday hangovers we're overrated.
Thanks!
I have an TR-08 and a MPC ONE. I can create complicated hi hat rolls in midi and send them to the 808 which sound gnarly. But honestly I'd say its limitations offer some creativity.
Nice setup!
Which is your favorite mpc or roland?
The robobass subwoofer benchmark retro high tech UK juke house friendly electronica takeover, is a vibe!
Thank you!!!
But seriously I would like to buy an entire album with the complete works of all episode, a collector's edition so to speak. With a hoodie, a T-shirt and a cassette and/or digital download. I would buy it the moment it came out, yesterday, on backorder...Hope this dream of mine can become true one day...
I have to be careful what I'm teasing;)
just out of curiosity, whats ur cassette deck?
@@AudioPilz OOOOOOOHHHHH, tell me more please...
@@mycosys I have a multiple, one is the infamous Nakamichi BX-125E
, a Denon DRS-810 and the last one is an heirloom from my granddad a PIONEER CT-F1000 I kinda have a thing for tape...Love the sound of it, to me it sounds better then reel to reel, but that's probably because of nostalgia...
I ❤️ my TR-XOX boxes: 08,09 & 06, the sequencers on them are my holy grails.
I liked the extended pattern length on the 08
I have and love the trio as well. I thought I'd never be interested in a 606 boutique but they managed to come up with a bunch of interesting new features that made it worthwhile after all.
Would be interesting to see it in an Audiopilz-style comparison with the big B‘s RD-8.
Still haven't taken a closer look at the B portfolio. It will finally happen
Passing thru Vienna right before the lockdown, staying at brillantengrund. There’s a party in the courtyard tonight, swing thru!
Damn, missed that one! Thanks, though
By the time I got back from observing high level Catholicism /organ shredding at the cathedral and slamming back mugs of punsch at the xmas market the party had dwindled to one awkward cadre of gentleman standing under a disco ball in complete silence. It was terrifying and I’ll see you next time!
I don't get the boutique hate. I *love* my D05. Not only does it sound amazing, it's 100% accurate to the original, to the point where some of my really glitchy patches from the original work perfectly.
That one is a completely different beast
Yeah I love the boutiques. They´re not perfect and they´re getting better with every new generation, but the experience of interacting with something inspired in a vintage gear is there, but there´s a lot of snobbism in the synthesizer community, and digital is a bad word, Volca, Boutique... and nobody cares what other people thinks if the instrument is good for you. I see a lot of people complaining about the size, but boutiques are sound modules, so of course you will need a controller. Maybe for live situation they´re too small, but again, Roland never sold the boutiques for a live situation, they´re selling this line as sound modules for the studio. At the same time, a lot of people complaining about the boutique or volca size and they love Eurorack so basically some people wants to look more smarter than other or they just love trolling. And they{re not expensive. A VST insturments is around 150, an audio interface probably the same money, and if you add a hardware controller with knobs and sliders (even when they´re small), they´re not expensive at all.
The Tr-08 is just a plugin in an overpriced box though.
You got me at the 'second Leia'
I hope I will never run out of Leia memes;)
Dude your graphics are ace! Always makes me giggle.
Thank you so much!
HAHA I loved the STRYPER pic!
These boys had the looks;)
To hell with the devil!
Unpopular opinion maybe, but I love the Boutique range. They're just so adorable! Mind you, I only own the TB-03, but I'm currently knitting a little hat for it.
With the SP-404 mk2 out, have you ever done the SP-404 range? I have the 404a, and I love it to bits while also hating its guts. As an effects box it's genius, as a sampler it's fun, but making something complete with it is frustrating.
I'd love to see the Boutique hat! SP-404s are on my list - I'll have a closer look, thanks!
Super noisy inputs as well.
@@AudioPilz The only TH-cam video on my channel is also the only thing I have actually managed to kind of finish with the SP-404a. In my garden, with a complicated beverage...
@@ericvernooij2917 I think that's mainly just our fault. The sp404 distracts you so easily with all its features. I think if you put your mind to playing, and stop creating samples you can do something.
Someone called it the strat of samplers, like a guitar, I don't think it's meant to be played on its own really.
Creamy track tho.
Imagine a boutique SP-04 with 12 tiny drum pads...
At the first glance I didn't know what I was looking at, but then I realized I clicked all the boxes and came top bad GEAR! woohooo
Yeah, a mighty ole boxticker!!!
I'm not sure I'd even consider it if it weren't for the the rear speaker, indispensable.
HAPPY FRIDAYYY
The rear speaker is essential!!!
I like to think of the entire Roland boutique line like the little plates and spoons my grandmother collected from the different places she vacationed. They’re just fun to collect and look at. Except the D-05. That one is probably the truest to the original.
Yeah, the D-05 is most probably an improvement;)
i'm in kind of an awkward position since i don't really have space for a big 12 channel mixer, so ideally with a drum machine I'd want a lot of processing/effects options built in. Because of that I've never really found an ideal Drum Machine for me. I do like my Volca Drum quite a bit but being limited to 16 Patterns with no fills is a crime.
Have you ever thought of getting one of these small Allen&Heath mixers? Decent EQs and FX with nice routing options and VERY small footprint for the feature set
Build your patterns in-the-box!
tr8s which was already mentioned in this episode should be sorta able to, but more generic samplers like digitakt or mpc would better do that job for the same money
Have you considered getting a groovebox for drum machine duties?
Something like an electribe2, digitakt, mc707 or the like?
Sample-based stuff has its own limitations, but I heartily recommend UVI’s Beatbox Anthology 2 software. I have their Vintage Vault 3, and Beatbox may well be the single strongest part of the collection. Over 100 machines sampled, and you can mix and match sounds from different machines to your heart’s delight. It has effects, but they can be turned down or off.
"more Rover" made me laugh more than it should have 🤣😂
Who's a good boy???
This should go for £200 max. Personally i think if you're going to make a tr808 nowawadays every sound should have much more extreme tweaks -- pitch and length etc
It does have these features - hidden in the menu🥺
TR8S?
Ah! The cowbell. Love it!
Best!
Last week I asked for more boutiques and Florian delivered :D do you feel huge when you play it?? That tempo knob is GINORMOUS
So funny how small the other encoders are, seeing it next to the TB-3 really puts it in perspective for me. Reminds me of Volca encoders
Always a pleasure;)
That’s why my Friday was wack, I missed bad gear!
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Imagine, a modern Roland drum machine with individual outs...I can dream
The TR-8 had 4 - does that count?
@@AudioPilz yeah, it does the job, still just something that would be nice.
I say this with my TR8 used entirely with USB audio only......but, hypothetically, if I had a big mixer...oh the possibilities
Tr8s has 6. Beast
@@norbertonucagrossa oh gtfo, how am I just learning this now? Thank you, as if I needed another reason to want a tr8s
good to see roland back
Roland will forever be a staple on this channel;)
FWIW, I've never used one of these, but I do have an original TR-808 and have put the Roland Cloud 808 (which theoretically should sound pretty much identical to the ACB hardware) up against the original. If I give it a bit of thought (and add a bit of saturation plugin), I can create a "digital" 808 sound that is nearly indistinguishable from my 41 year old analog machine. I mean, you could give your money to Satan and get an RD8 I suppose, and maybe that Buli machine has an edge in performance just due to size and format. But in the studio, I don't think you're missing much soundwise between this thing and an original 808.
Also, keep in mind, that the OG 808 is kind of a pain in the ass to use and has very few features. It would have been nice to see this 21st Century update at least include a "tune" function. Alas, you're probably better off with a TR8 or TR8S.
True that! I usually just use a sample;)
Be careful, you'll have the analogue originals TH-cam gang upset. According to their superior ear and tone detection they'd hear the difference immediately on any given recording.
@Chris Cheltenham hahah!
@@23bit76 I think there are far fewer of those people than people think. Analog Originals provide a benefit which is different from the final sound, as most of us who own them know.
As a former 808 owner I'm happy enough with my TR-8. Effects, tweakability and just a couple of assignable outs - that'll do nicely.
Very good,
Every episode is good.
Thanks!!!
i feel like the “too small for live use” is the only real issue it has, and it’s also the only thing i don’t really make use of with mine because i use mine for entirely different purposes. to me it sounds fine, and the USB out doesn’t bother me as a mac user. a lot of people talk about the RD-8 being both better and cheaper but the TR-08 being as small as it is made it the better choice for my setup since it sits nicely on my desk easily within reach without taking up too much space.
i also don’t entirely mind it not having more modern/anachronistic features since i picked mine up intentionally because of the sequencer being more accurate to the original. if i want more modern 808 sounds and a more modern sequencer i have plenty of options in the box for that.
enjoyed the video tho, i love your channel cause you take honest looks at gear and try to find where they fit into your own workflow, and i appreciate that honesty much more than the legions of nerds that just complain about “oh it’s small and digital” even if a lot of the things that were negatives to you were positives to me.
Thank you so much!!!
Whenever I visit TH-cam on late Friday, the first suggestion is ticking all the boxes.
That Asian street food compilation?🤣🤣🤣
Likely unpopular opinion, I vastly prefer the sounds of every other x0x over 808. (606 especially, it's so nice and soft when used in a chillouty song). Although it's the signature part of it, the kick is just too bassy, even in the unmodded version.
Though I'm not a fan of most of the genres known for the 808, so I guess it's just a matter of my taste.
I feel you, it's just everywhere. I still like it a lot tbh
I lol'd so hard when you played the kick on that little speaker. Brilliant. :)
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Why don't you make an episode about the OG tb303? I know I am not going to make many friends here, but the thing doesn't have midi, it's a pain to program and tune. It's a very simple synth for the price...
Next April 1st is a Friday;)
The moment with the kick blasting out of the speaker made me laugh so hard I cried
MASSIVE BASS!!!
How many takes does it usually take to get the finale's genre-title right?
ONE!!! ;)
@@AudioPilz Of course, the best ONE :)
..you will never run out of Bad Gear videos professor as long as Roland doesn't go out of business..
True that!
£400 for one of these feels pretty steep as well. If you want an 808-alike I'd say either save up the extra cash for the TR-8S (I love mine despite its limitations), or - and I feel perhaps a wee bit dirty saying this - save yourself £100 - 150 and buy a Behringer RD-8. The reality is the latter is really good at being a TR-808 clone for a lot less dollarpoundeuro than the TR-08.
Yeah, temptation is strong;)
Plus the RD-8 is superior in every regard.
The whale was so subtle and had me laughing out loud. Hats off to you sir!
Thanks! Save the whales!!!
Having grown up learning to sequence on a TR505 and not really spending much time in the electronic or hip hop scene, I've always hated the 808, I've never understood it, and I'm tired of being at the gas station and hearing 808 beats with what must be 64th note hihats blasting from shitbox SUVs. That being said, I'm glad Roland has offered it in this module series, which overall I'm coming to enjoy (the JU-06A is a killer unit that makes a hardware Juno accessible and easy to integrate into an automated DAWless rig), and I wouldnt mind if they brought back the 505 with some improvements as well.
It's more like BMW limos over here;)
It sounds sweet through the desk!
Yup, that setup makes a lot of sense
I'm a big fan of acb. Much more so than rompler based synthesis. But I don't know why anyone would buy a TR-08 when the TR-8s isn't that much more cash (used anyway), but I actually like the very small form factor of the boutiques. Anyway, I'd never use this except for fun. Way better overlapping gear out there like the Elektron Rytm or Jomox stuffs. Why haven't you done a vid on your Jomox yet? That thing is classic "bad gear". So frustrating to use in a way, so limited (by design, but so dialable relative to other kick generators), but the results are so glorious.
There's some truth to it. Thanks for the input!
I went with the TR-08 + 09 instead of a TR-8S because I can use all the sounds simultaneously (the TR-8S lets you mix and match but has a max of 11) and I love the classic look and workflows. The tiny knobs don't bother me at all, but then I'm not trying to do Jeff Mills style performances on them either. That said, I wish the TR-08 had a mute mode you could lock into instead of the two finger contortion.
Optimus Audiopilz, leader of the badgearbots
We come in peace!
Please try to do the TR-606 next or in the future. They are still cheap enough and no one seems to like them at all....perfect for Bad Gear! I like mine a lot, $25US on small town craigslist! Also, what do you edit your videos with? They are great.
Hasn't the TR-606 become a completely overpriced iconic piece of gear? FCPX (which I hate with a passion;)
@@AudioPilz dang, I hadn't checked prices in while.....still cheaper than an 808..
@@AudioPilz why do you hate FCPX? I’ve been making my living editing video for over 40 years and I wouldn’t use anything else! 😆👍🏼
Or the TR-626! I bought mine on a small town craigslist for under 40! Love the dedicated outs.
You had me worried for a sec, but then you posted a vid featuring Roland.
Yeah, I try to not release a Roland vid every week;)
Traded my TR-08 and 09 for a TR-8S. Having the legacy TR models in one piece of hardware just seemed like a no-brainer.
wow first time i see a sponosor embedded in the bad gear script :) good for you!!
Bad Gear is not gonna pay itself;)
Next time please do a sound warning when you play such a massive kick through the built-in speaker, you nearly knocked all my furniture over :(
Edit: Seeing your face pasted all over things is too funny, the spiderbot just killed me - AudioPilz stickers when? :D
Damn, I forgot about the trigger warning;)
SpiderPilz FTW
LOLed at the massive kick out of speaker.
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I'll take the Behringer RD-8 a 💯 times instead of this boutique 808, I really don't understand why Roland is doing that, is not that hard for a big company like them to bring back their products.
If Dave Smith of Sequencial wich is a smaller company compared to Roland brought back the Prophet 5/10, why Roland can't, and don't forget Korg with ARP comebacks.
The RD8 seems really tempting
@@AudioPilz Yes, and not only that, is cheaper and have individual outputs and sounds great, Behringer Is doing what they don't have any interest to do and for haters, don't blame Behringer for cloning stuff from Roland either.
@@carlosserrano3985 I got TD3 its a full plastic cheap box compared to their Crave, but sound like it need to, and the menu commands are, like the old tb 303, and... still a nightmare for beginers, like good old games very hard.
Good job! Bad Gear! Happy Friday 😁
TGIF!!!
For 50K subs why dont you team up with Groove Bagasch Sound system and organize a Bad gear freeparty!!
Great idea but only about 0.00000001% of my viewers are in Austria;)
Now, THAT is an idea! Make it happen in the summer!
"when being hungover on a Tuesday was acceptable" better times for sure.
Hard to say, my memory is blurred;)
Never has gear given me so much “vst-in-a-box”-feeling than the Boutique series. That, and the fact that adding just a single output to this drumbox should be punished by law.
Yeah, I would have taken even ADAT;)
@@AudioPilz With a SCSI zipdrive for added storage. ARGH!
Well, well, well. In June, my Re-808 will arrive. Thanks for the entertaining, brilliant as usual review anyways!
Thanks!!! Nice one!!!
Aim those lasers at Uli. He definitely makes things that are worse than the TR-08. 100%
Still discussing with my lawyers how to approach this;)
I'd take an RD-08 over the TR-08 anytime. 100%
@@birdie17uk That was not my point at all but I am glad you like your toy.
@@guysmiley7289 I don't own one, but I tend to prefer stuff that is, you know, usable. What was your point exactly, 'cos your comment about Uli's 'toys' seems to indicate that I entireley understood you the first time. Whatever, gear snobs are quite welcome to pay through the nose for actually crappy bad gear so long as it is 'authentic'.
@@birdie17uk Dear diary...
How can an audio gear channel be so hilarious
It's weird😂
Never seen the appeal of the TR-08. It's always seemed massively overpriced considering it's running the same OS as the big AIRA with most of the functions locked off, and there are so many multi-sample packs available at various price points including half-decent ones for literally nothing. I do prefer using hardware in general but ultimately once it's in a mix with other stuff are you really going to be able to tell enough of a difference between this and a sample pack to justify a £400 price tag? I'd say probably not. IMO Roland really dropped the ball with the analogue revival considering what brands like Korg and Arturia have been able to do with *actual* analogue hardware at reasonable prices over the past five years.
The TR-08 is a nice conversation starter though;)
@ghost mall they have lost the institutional knowledge to produce analog instruments. Hence the SE collaboration
I saw it on the wall at Sweetwater and I can't imagine thinking it has no appeal. Its beautiful.
Dude the video edits at the finale section had me weak. Really funny.
Thank you!!!
TR-08: "Ok, so basically, I'm very smol..."
Much small, such tiny
Hung over on Tuesdays was socially acceptable 😂
I remember those days well 👌
Not only acceptable but expected;)
here on another random video to compliment your style. I can't believe i silently mouthed "ticking all the boxes" when i knew you were going to say it.
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