Karlov Manor Precons with a NEW CHALLENGER | Kaust VS Morska VS Nelly Borca VS Mirko
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Like this comment to say "Thanks Editor Fil."
mirko's seeming really good, gotta remember the finality counter though!
24:43 The flavour of this card is amazing! If you tip at end of turn, you get "KILLER SERVICE".
Also, it's "pay (2) AND sac a token".
It’s open to interpretation but my take was that the rhino warriors are disguising themselves as waiters. The killer service is them revealing themselves and going wild - sacrificing the token (since it comes with food) is them throwing the food down in the reveal. Maybe a bit too complicated but my mental image of it is GREAT so I’m sticking with it.
As soon as they said this I thought "because this set was supposed to be on new capenna and that was a card from that set."
Also if you look at the art on killer service, the rhino waiter is hiding a knife under his tray. Further confirming the rhino
assassin/waiter
That was a great game and probably the longest one I've seen on this channel in a long time. Playing precons against each other is definitely the way to do it. Also congrats on the first ever Planeswalker Ultimate.
Yeah, pre-editing it was like 2h20m. Definitely a slugfest.
Now this episode was amazing, every deck got a chance to shine and have its "gotcha" moment. All except really the boros deck but that got to shine last episode so its only fair lol. Look forward to more content!
I have been waiting 11 years for a Mirko reprint/new version, and i'm so happy to see him being played, even in a precon, would love to see a Mirko Viosk, Mind Drinker Deck
Excuse me while my bones turn to dust at the realisation that Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker is in fact 11 years old
Feeling very old. DRM prerelease was my first LGS experience, lol
Stuck in bed with Covid so a marathon spike feeders game was just what I needed thanks lads ❤
Damn, hope you feel better soon. We have another game dropping monday, and another on thursday!
I thought clues tapped and sacced for a second there, and got real scared about what that tezzeret emblem could do!
Editor Fil was awesome on the show!!! Definitely should be in front of the of the camera more often! Such a glue guy that brought out smiles and enthusiasm all around!
I know there are already a lot of misplay comments, but i wanted to make the world a better place by saying that
1) Great to see these decks in action! They look very goofy and thematic and fun
2) When you activate a Clue, Treasure, or Food, you also tap it so you would also draw a card if you hypothetically had a Betrayer of Flesh emblem
Jim started doing this after I posted the comment, so you're welcome I guess
I also thought clues were tap to sac, but they aren't! Jim late in the episode starts saccing foods instead of clues for card draw :)
I'm so excited for this set, all the precons look incredibly fun! Loved that everyone got a chance to pop off and show their decks, those are my favorite commander games! Great stuff!
I wanna see the closet at Alex's house. It is probably a gold mine of Hawaiian shirts
52:17 I definitely read Sphinx of the Second Sun incorrectly... I read it like the beginning phase happened before your postcombat main and have been playing it like that for several weeks now... I guess it just shows that no one at my LGS reads the cards lol.
It's probably one of the least understood cards from the past several years. We made a combo explanation video on it and it took us over an hour to work it out.
well that's 'cuz it CLEARLY says, at the beginning of your post combat main phase. There's no way it couldn't be... oh wait.
New decks. I understand the missed triggers and it's much easier to see when you're watching it versus when you're actually playing. However, not tracking commander damage bothered me. Jim let Seans commander hit him a bunch but never tracked the damage.
32:38 wouldn’t you not be able to target it cause its converted mana is 7 anywhere but the stack
Thank you for being the only other person for seeing this
As it turns out, Jim was the threat all along
Jim seems to have forgotten a few times that killer service requires 2 mana in addition to a token to make rinos but i also think most if not all times he had the mana untapped at his untap step anyway
Me, in the first few minutes: There is a lot of frankly unwarranted bullying of Jim here-
Jim: \*immediately becomes and remains the Problem*
Me: Ah.
"We're not in Ontario"... This guy^
Wow, I love the synergy in that dimir surveil deck
Yep, all it needs is some life gain cards so it’s not totally screwed when low on life, a better mana base and a couple extra removal/counter spells and it’ll be perfect
yippie! i guess the new vids are @ noon for the next couple days? dunno if this is when vids are always set to go live!
Trouble in Pairs should get the official nickname of Rhystic Buddies
Great intro! Even better... Jim trying to keep it together XD
Finality counter, finality counter, finality counter. That black blue commander has a *little* more text to it that matters. I know it's new cards though. ❤
Yeah it's tough, the turnaround on these precon eps is so tight, we get the decks with barely enough time to sleeve them up before recording.
It is just me or Jim’s ethereal investigator triggred ability never triggers?
I’d love to see a deck brewed with the secondary commander from the Bant deck. I need Scooby Doo
LOL great opening, Alex!
Doesn’t Jim draw a card whenever he cracks a treasure cuz they tap to activate
It was Jace in the library with the Sanderson hardcover.
looking forward to my copies of the precons!
Nice to finally meet you Jim!
So many missed triggers😢 also I didnt see Jim pay 2 needed for killer service outside of the first one
this game was insane
Mirko is a pretty interesting commander. Can become sneakly big.
Was the Counterpoint casting Dispersal after countering Knowledge is power (32:30) legal? Discovery/Dispersals mana value in each zone other than the stack is the sum of both sides, so seven. Or am i wrong here?
Thanks editor fil
Someway somehow Jim casually forgot to pay 2 for killer service each time. Not that it mattered though that engine was hot.
@36:00 the Nightveil Sprite entered with a finality counter @11:20 so it should have been in exile already
They gave Mirko a shirt??? That sounds like a hard nerf
1:04:36 Alex could have double blocked with his Brash Taunter along with the Boros Reckoner, and split the 10 damage between Sean and Jim and killed them both
Brash taunter died to the massacre wurms -2-2 cause its a 1/1 so the 0 toughness gets around the indestructible and Jim could sac food at instant speed for hp and still would of won anyways
As someone who lives in Ontario I can confirm it was not worse case scenario.
Gold isn't necessarily better than Treasure. For example, a Gold can't draw cards from tapping for mana with a Tezzeret emblem
I'm trying to remember how trample works with a card like boros reckoned are yoy alpwed to assign more then lethal or does the extra have to trample over?
Where's the "solid as a rock" jingle that plays when opening deck boxes?
We have been fighting a copyright troll on the music. It'll be back soon!
Jim never paid the mana each time for killer service to make the rhino just sac'd the token
1:06:18 Which card are you talking about please ?
Tezzeret emblem that he made by ultimating Tezzeret, betrayer of flesh.
Jim, you have to pay 2 every time you make a rhino with killer service in addition to sacrificing a token. You had the mana most times but heads up for the future. Also, Alex and Fil using Boros Reckoner to kill Sean at the end would not work because Kessig Wolf Run gives trample. Even though Reckoner has indestructible, trample still sees lethal as 4 damage and the rest would trample over to Alex's life total. Only allowing the Reckoner to deal 4 damage.
Hey - so you have to assign damage with trample. I can't think of too many examples where you would want to do this outside of this scenario and Death's Shadow math but we imply that I assign all the damage from my creature to Boros Reckoner and 0 to Alex.
Trample is a "may". You can always assign more than lethal damage to a blocker if you like to.
"If this creature would assign enough damage to its blockers to destroy them, you may (!) have it assign the rest of its damage to defending player or planeswalker."
@@FilipRoman88he also could have double blocked with the Brash Taunter along with the Boros Reckoner, and split the ten damage up, and killed both Sean and Jim
@@joedoe7572 actually the Brash Taunter died to the masscre wurms -2-2 as it's 1/1 and 0 toughness gets around the indestructible
Finality counters make it to where if the creature where to die, it would get exiled instead right?
Correct.
Yes but there’s a lot of cards you can add that can remove the finally counters off your creatures and put them on your opponents creatures. This way if the cards you reanimate die they don’t get exiled. You can also use cards that exile your shit then bring them back after to remove the finality counters as well.
Nervous Gardener, that's hilarious. I wonder how R&D came up with that name? I personally know 0 nervous gardeners. What about you?
Sean tapped Sinister Starfish to surveil at Alex's endstep while it still had summoning sick.
jerry managed to ultimate his nicol bolas, dragon god and won the game with it once.
no idea in what episod though.
Jim not paying 2 for his killer service is ironic
He always gives killer service for free in commander
Am I missing something ,why isn't Jim cracking clues/foods on other peoples turns with tezzeret out?
Got 10 damage to deal... I think it's only 4 depending how he choose to place the damage since the creature had trample right? 🤔
... Anyways thanks for making those videos. Good time 😊
Hi guys. Do you happen to know when U are going to restock the green big dice? I want them so bad… Cool episode as always!
We have a massive order coming in soon! We'll blast it out on all our socials when they're back in stocks!
@@TheSpikeFeeders Thank U, I hope I won’t miss it!
@@michasolowski7630 the restock is like... in the thousands, so they should be in stock for a little longer this time
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seans removal choices were questionable, the mole over a manufacture especially
isnt morska no longer goaded because of the serene thingamabob
46:02 He never counted treasures towards gravestorm count should be a lot more
Alright spike feeders, you're not fooling anyone. I know that "Editor Fil" is actually Joey Fatone.
SOLID AS A ROCK!
SOMEBODY had to say it
@@TheSpikeFeedersthat’s what I’m SAYYYYYYING😂😂😂
So, did you all lose your whatever the "solid as a rock" sponsor was? Because that spot has been muted for the last couple episodes
We're actually working through a copyright troll situation on the song. It'll be back soon!
Exciting!
With tezzeret's emblem, everytime he tapped and sacked treasure he should have drawn cards. Unless I am the biggest of goofs
Ruh roh, Blame Game ate it. And it’s the one I got 😢
the giant dice make it actually more difficult to keep track of the game state, eventually i couldn't even tell if Mirko was on board or not 😅
The moment when you let someone ulti the pw
Jim forgot he ultimated Tezzeret. So at his end step, he had to pay 2 before cracking the clue to make his 4/4 rhino.
SOLID AS A RO.. oh we don’t do that anymore? Alright then
It'll be back soon, we're just dealing with a copyright troll on the music
missed the losing life on the massacre wurm
Massacre wurm was not on the battlefield when his trigger resolved.
All that mirko deck needs is some life gain cards because it has no way to get life back, a better mana base and a few extra counter/removal spells and it’ll be powerful asf. Even out of the box it’s really good.
Noticed a slight misplay with the boros reckoner and it's that the reckoner would've only been able to direct 4 damage because kessig gives trample so the other 6 would've gone to Alex's face instead. Still a really cool game showing the precons in action though and I hope to see a 50 dollar upgrade version too!
We filmed TWO $50 upgrade eps!
With trample, you don't "have" to assign any excess damage to the player/planeswalker/battle being attacked. You can absolutely assign all of the damage to the blocking creatures if you want to. Most of the time, it doesn't make sense to do so, but in this instance it worked out better to not hit Alex with trample damage and to just assign all damage to the blocking creature.
This.
@@Buchaushe could have even double blocked with Brash Taunter along with the Boros Reckoner and split the 10 damage up and killed Jim along with Sean
Wait, why didn't Jim target his plant clue creature with his exile x spell to stop it from getting countered?
Kind of a massive misplay because it would also have caused Sean's counterspell to fizzle and stop him from getting another spell from his graveyard.
@@Thisnameisnottakenjk the spell in question "Disorder in the Court" targets creatures (permanents). The Plant Clue (Tangletrove Kelp) was not yet a creature permanent, as it was on the stack, and thus could not be targeted by "Disorder in the Court".
@@ashiaka2776 ah yah, you're right.
1:03:18 There was an interesting line of play available that would have eliminated Jim and Sean, bringing the game to a 1v1.
Fil draws and plays Kessig Wolf Run. He attacks Alex with Whisperwood Elemental, paying for Ghostly Prison. Fil blocks with Boros Reckoner. Both creatures survive combat. Reckoner triggers, targeting Jim, eliminating him from the game. Fill passes the turn. During his turn, Alex attacks Sean with Boros Reckoner. If Sean doesn't block the Reckoner, Fil uses his Kessig Wolf Run to pump up the Reckoner. If Sean does block, Fil uses KWR to pump the BLOCKING creature. Reckoner takes damage and targets Sean.
Didn't need to make it that complicated even. Alex could have double blocked with the Brash Taunter along with the Boros reckoner, and split the 10 damage up, and killed both Jim and Sean at the same time
@@joedoe7572 The Brash Taunter died to the Massacre Worm 3 minutes prior.
Sphinx of the second sun triggers “at the beginning of the post combat main phase” not the end of it
What does the rest of it say?
Yes, but it says "after this phase" at the end, which nobody notices, including me until recently
fallout cards in march and fallout show in april
everytime jim used his treasure to sac a clue, he shouldve been drawing 3 from the emblem, since the treasures are being tapped.
well drawing 4 actually, since clue as well was being tapped.
Is it just me, or are these precon decks starting to power creep even further?
I mean, these are nowhere near CEDH, but they are getting closer to a high proficient EDH decks. Just fine-tuning these precons a little bit, and you can sit down and compete in any non-CEDH table.
Not quite any non-cEDH table, but it's nice that they're powerful enough to compete with low to mid-tier average commander decks easily enough
They’re definitely pretty good and super fun with some amazing cards in them, but they’re still only power level 5. Low 6 at best.
With an upgraded mana base, some extra/better counter spells/removal spells, and in the mirko deck some life gain cards, maybe a few of the creatures swapped out with better or more efficient ones, and they can easily be bumped up to power level 8 or even 9.
All the mirko deck needs is the land base upgraded with the dual lands that can enter in untapped, some fetch lands like polluted delta and prismatic vista, a few more of the 2cmc good mana rocks, shit like Swan song, mana drain/counter spell, deadly rollick, cyclonic rift, maybe a windfall and a few ways to remove or move the finality counters, rhystic study/propaganda and a few life gain cards like whip of erobos/blood artist, throw in at least a few tutors so it’s more consistent like entomb and demonic tutor, and it would 100 percent be power 8 or low 9.
@@hatchell18 hahaha!
2nd!