So I’m trying to decide on my first detector. It’s a toss up between the Z7000 or the X5000. It’s not so much the extra cost of the Z7000 it’s whether I can drag a big coil behind a quad bike with the Z7000? I’m 60 and not in the greatest of health, type 2 diabetic a bit overweight at 110kgs & not at all fit these days. I KNOW I won’t be able to walk all day swinging a coil, much as the exercise would either kill or cure me! But I reckon I could cope with gridding out an area on a quad bike, maybe at night when it’s cooler & the flies are asleep? I can’t seem to find much info online on anyone using quad bikes & dragging coils, and zero on the Z7000 doing this. It seems like non of the after market coils manufacturers make big coils for the Z7000 that are suited to sled work? I have no idea why? Whether Minelabs patented the coil design for the Z7000 maybe & no one else can make them? So I’ve been leaning towards a X5000 for that reason. Any sage advice for a new chum please?
Hi Ian, I've never set-up a detector on a quad but from what I know you can get interference between the two, so most drag coils are anti-interference, or a DD coil in Cancel position. The GPZ doesn't have either of these two options. So I think interference between the GPZ and the Quad would be your biggest hurdle. The GPZ also needs a very slow sweep (or motion) for maximum effectiveness, again not the best candidate for a drag set-up. However, the Patch Locate setting can help with this a little.
IMHO the GPX5000 would not be my choice for a novice purely because it has a bewildering range of setting options. I use a GPX4500 which is far simpler and IMHO superior machine. Have you considered the SDC2300 (coiltek makes some after market coils for this machine that increase it’s versatility). I have one for those days when I cannot handle the weight of the larger machines. like you, I have significant age related health issues but I find that walking with the SDC 2300 seems to be the best exercise for me and I do not have to work too hard. Just sitting on a log to take a break when I want to allows me to marvel at the beauty of the scenery. Use a quad to get to likely spots, then turn it off and immerse yourself in nature. Best of luck
If you are in bad health maybe consider the sd2300 with a 10x5 coil, its lighter and folds up into a backpack, np on a quad bike. Swinging a 7000 will do you in pretty quick, so for an old guy you would probably stay swinging for longer with the 2300 which will make up for the really deep targets passed over , and less digging, good at crevicing as well
Thanks Nenad, that's a great comparison between machines and coils on a genuine target. There's still hope that my 19"NF will find something over 0.5g :)
I was hoping for a 5 0z nugget deep.Very nice comparison though👍I wonder how the 18" elite compares. I have the 18 elite and the 17x13 evolution. The evo is about my favorite
I sold my 19" Evo and brought the 25 DDX coil for gpx5000. You should do a video on that for comparison against gpz7k. my biggest piece of gold is with 25 DDX is a 43ounce specimen at 207cm. But still everyone says to me to get a gpz7k as it beats gpx5000 hands down. Maybe you could do depth test with both 7k 19" and gpx5000 with 25 DDX.
@@diggingwithphasetech Just about everyone dreams of finding big nuggets and yet they attack the goldfields with small or medium sized coils. There are big gold still in goldfields if anyone can spend the time walking around with big coils. Unfortunately I haven't beaten 43ounce piece. I have found multiple 1,2,3,5,9 ounce pieces commonly near where there have been heaps of old, even fresh detector holes.
I was surprised that setting gain at 1 on the 19 Evo you got a nice signal. I usually run full blast on my 4500 when I run mono coils. In my area its around 13 - 14 on the gain. Just wondering Nenad would I be serving my interests better if I reduce gain in order to get better depth to search for bigger gold?
Gain levels can be very different, depending on what Timing you use. Enhance handles ground extremely well, so often you can pump it up. The video was demonstrating the power of Normal timing, which has less ground cancellation dialed in, so often you need to reduce your Rx Gain. Basically set it to where you start to get a bit of feedback while sweeping, then back one click. That way you'll know you are at optimum.
I do recommend mono coils, but you need to be aware of the differences. Mono coils go deeper than DD's, but DD's handle mineralised ground better. So when you are talking GPX series detectors, Monos will normally need to be run in Fine Gold or Enhance, or even Sensitive Smooth timings in extreme soils. With a DD coil you can generally use the Normal timing. So if you want to maximise chances on smaller gold, the Mono & "smooth" timing is the go. If you want max depth on bigger gold, then a large DD in Normal timing is the way to go.
@@diggingwithphasetech, thank you for your detailed answer! That will definitely help me because when the travel restrictions are over I want to spend a few weeks in Victoria and I'm currently considering if it makes more sense to buy the Minelab 18" Commander DD or the Nugget Finder 19" Evolution Coil for the GPX5000! 🙂
Can anyone tell me what's the benefit of a small coil and what's the benefit of the big coil? Or is there a coil that does most things, newbie to all this, thanks
Small coils put out a very dense field, so are better at picking up small and hard to see gold like specimens. Bigger coils spread the field out over a bigger area, so will pick up big targets at better depth, but some small gold sensitivity is sacrificed. Mid size coils are good all-rounders
Really depends on target shape, size etc. And also what timing you can use with each coil. Both can go deeper in certain situations. But if you are talking about large sized targets, then the 19" evo will generally go deeper.
The only Evo coils I've tried on the Whites TDI are the 14x9" and 12". Both performed very nicely against coils that were supposed to be the bees knees for the TDIs.
Hey mate, unfortunately didn't have the 15" Evo on hand. My guess is that it would have been a little better than the 17x13", but not as good as the 19" Evo.
Settings can vary a lot depending on ground conditions and EMI levels, but my usual tweaks from Factory Presets in General mode are: Rx Gain - 1 click down, Signal - 18, Tone - 46 (personal preference), Target Volume - 8 (using SteelPhase enhancer), and if EMI is bad (usually is where I go) then I'll go to Quiet Audio with Stabilizer on 15. Also, usually Enhance or Fine Gold timing, unless in milder ground, then I may try Sens Extra. I just listen to the machine, and adjust until it's happy.
Thanks for this probably best comparison video i have seen, i am thinking or getting a larger round coil but at the moment cash is to tight to go 19" evo how do you rate 18" detech. I am currently useing 14" coiltek elite on gpx 4500 would i gain much depth
Thanks Steve! The 19" Evo is excellent as it will punch deep but won't sacrifice too much sensitivity. If you're on a budget, you may be lucky enough to find these second hand: Nugget Finder Advantage 18" or 20", Minelab Super Gold Search 18", Commander 18". The Detech is a well priced option if you'd rather buy new. How much depth advantage you'll get over the 14" Elite will really come down to the target. On some gold, smaller pieces or specimens, the 14" may get better depth. On bigger chunky gold, particularly targets over 10grams, you can except the 18"+ coils to get better depth, particularly if you are able to run them in Normal timing.
Thanks for taking the time to answer budget to tight at the moment for new 19"Evo , will hopefully get on top of it in a few months and may get one then ,I have found almost nowhere that I could run in normal around here.
That test was carried out in Maldon, Vic. It was pretty mineralised, not the hottest ground in Victoria, but certainly nowhere near mild. When trying to run Normal or Sensitive Extra you can also use Slow Tracking.
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So I’m trying to decide on my first detector.
It’s a toss up between the Z7000 or the X5000.
It’s not so much the extra cost of the Z7000 it’s whether I can drag a big coil behind a quad bike with the Z7000?
I’m 60 and not in the greatest of health, type 2 diabetic a bit overweight at 110kgs & not at all fit these days.
I KNOW I won’t be able to walk all day swinging a coil, much as the exercise would either kill or cure me!
But I reckon I could cope with gridding out an area on a quad bike, maybe at night when it’s cooler & the flies are asleep?
I can’t seem to find much info online on anyone using quad bikes & dragging coils, and zero on the Z7000 doing this.
It seems like non of the after market coils manufacturers make big coils for the Z7000 that are suited to sled work?
I have no idea why? Whether Minelabs patented the coil design for the Z7000 maybe & no one else can make them?
So I’ve been leaning towards a X5000 for that reason.
Any sage advice for a new chum please?
Hi Ian, I've never set-up a detector on a quad but from what I know you can get interference between the two, so most drag coils are anti-interference, or a DD coil in Cancel position. The GPZ doesn't have either of these two options. So I think interference between the GPZ and the Quad would be your biggest hurdle. The GPZ also needs a very slow sweep (or motion) for maximum effectiveness, again not the best candidate for a drag set-up. However, the Patch Locate setting can help with this a little.
Nenad @ Phase Technical Thanks heaps for this, can’t thank you enough. 👍👍👍
IMHO the GPX5000 would not be my choice for a novice purely because it has a bewildering range of setting options. I use a GPX4500 which is far simpler and IMHO superior machine. Have you considered the SDC2300 (coiltek makes some after market coils for this machine that increase it’s versatility). I have one for those days when I cannot handle the weight of the larger machines. like you, I have significant age related health issues but I find that walking with the SDC 2300 seems to be the best exercise for me and I do not have to work too hard. Just sitting on a log to take a break when I want to allows me to marvel at the beauty of the scenery. Use a quad to get to likely spots, then turn it off and immerse yourself in nature. Best of luck
If you are in bad health maybe consider the sd2300 with a 10x5 coil, its lighter and folds up into a backpack, np on a quad bike. Swinging a 7000 will do you in pretty quick, so for an old guy you would probably stay swinging for longer with the 2300 which will make up for the really deep targets passed over , and less digging, good at crevicing as well
Nice coil comparison. Thanks! - now I need to spend more $ and get a big round coil! Bit concerned I may miss stuff with the 17x11.
Thanks Nenad, that's a great comparison between machines and coils on a genuine target. There's still hope that my 19"NF will find something over 0.5g :)
It's not really interested in the tiddlers, it'll leave those for the smaller coils to mop up haha
I was hoping for a 5 0z nugget deep.Very nice comparison though👍I wonder how the 18" elite compares. I have the 18 elite and the 17x13 evolution. The evo is about my favorite
I sold my 19" Evo and brought the 25 DDX coil for gpx5000. You should do a video on that for comparison against gpz7k. my biggest piece of gold is with 25 DDX is a 43ounce specimen at 207cm. But still everyone says to me to get a gpz7k as it beats gpx5000 hands down. Maybe you could do depth test with both 7k 19" and gpx5000 with 25 DDX.
43 ouncer, wow! Well done.
@@diggingwithphasetech Just about everyone dreams of finding big nuggets and yet they attack the goldfields with small or medium sized coils. There are big gold still in goldfields if anyone can spend the time walking around with big coils. Unfortunately I haven't beaten 43ounce piece. I have found multiple 1,2,3,5,9 ounce pieces commonly near where there have been heaps of old, even fresh detector holes.
Good vid Nenad, and shows why you should use Normal ground mode wherever possible ! Cheers, Rick
That 19 Evo is pretty incredible
My Whites GTI pro OZ would have ignored that iron completely giving me more time on searching.
But what if there was a bit of gold sitting underneath it? Only by removing the target and rechecking the hole would the nugget ever get found.
Was it me or did the 5000 pick it up better than 7000? I know I need a 19 inch evo now though!
About the same, but the 5000 was in Normal timing, which can be challenging to use in more mineralised soils.
I was surprised that setting gain at 1 on the 19 Evo you got a nice signal. I usually run full blast on my 4500 when I run mono coils. In my area its around 13 - 14 on the gain. Just wondering Nenad would I be serving my interests better if I reduce gain in order to get better depth to search for bigger gold?
Gain levels can be very different, depending on what Timing you use. Enhance handles ground extremely well, so often you can pump it up. The video was demonstrating the power of Normal timing, which has less ground cancellation dialed in, so often you need to reduce your Rx Gain. Basically set it to where you start to get a bit of feedback while sweeping, then back one click. That way you'll know you are at optimum.
@@diggingwithphasetech Thank you Nenad, I will give that a try just for kicks and see how it goes in a few of my patches.
Awesome vidd!
According to your experience in this field, what is a good dish for warm and laknouz?
Great video but I have one question: Why wouldn't you recommend a mono coil in Victoria? Too much mineralized ground or why?
I do recommend mono coils, but you need to be aware of the differences. Mono coils go deeper than DD's, but DD's handle mineralised ground better. So when you are talking GPX series detectors, Monos will normally need to be run in Fine Gold or Enhance, or even Sensitive Smooth timings in extreme soils. With a DD coil you can generally use the Normal timing. So if you want to maximise chances on smaller gold, the Mono & "smooth" timing is the go. If you want max depth on bigger gold, then a large DD in Normal timing is the way to go.
@@diggingwithphasetech, thank you for your detailed answer! That will definitely help me because when the travel restrictions are over I want to spend a few weeks in Victoria and I'm currently considering if it makes more sense to buy the Minelab 18" Commander DD or the Nugget Finder 19" Evolution Coil for the GPX5000! 🙂
Usually a nice chunky bit of gold would give a low high signal, that's just what I have learned
@@jonathanmillichip9296 definitely! They are the ones I hope to hear
Should do a test on 5 ounce + at depth both running the 19"
I wish every deep hole was a 5 ounce plus nugget :-)
Great vid! Cheers from Idaho"
Can anyone tell me what's the benefit of a small coil and what's the benefit of the big coil? Or is there a coil that does most things, newbie to all this, thanks
Small coils put out a very dense field, so are better at picking up small and hard to see gold like specimens. Bigger coils spread the field out over a bigger area, so will pick up big targets at better depth, but some small gold sensitivity is sacrificed. Mid size coils are good all-rounders
I know it’s an old vid but the 14x9 didn’t pick it up correct? And the 19 evo did ? ....
Yes correct. The 17x13" was only just getting a sniff at it, so was a bit too deep for the 14x9".
Hi Nenad , which coil will go deeper 17x13 evo or 19” round evo?
Really depends on target shape, size etc. And also what timing you can use with each coil. Both can go deeper in certain situations. But if you are talking about large sized targets, then the 19" evo will generally go deeper.
19" round will definitely go deeper, but it depends on size of gold.
Is that scoop in ya pocket just for show?😁 Great vid mate
Haha, yeah, I think I was hoping for something big.....wanted to feel it in my hands
And did you try this coils on whites tdi sl?
The only Evo coils I've tried on the Whites TDI are the 14x9" and 12". Both performed very nicely against coils that were supposed to be the bees knees for the TDIs.
Nenad, why did you not try Sharp timing?
Would have been too much ground signal. That can work well with DD coils in the right ground.
Приветствую! Подскажите Нагетт Финдер Адвантаж 25 моно слабее чем 25 EVO ?
Извините, я никогда не использовал 25-дюймовую катушку Advantage, но я бы всегда выбрал более новую катушку, если бы у меня была такая возможность.
Hi Nenad.
Thanks for sharing your great video mate
Very interesting..
Cheers Tony 👍⛏
Great video. Do you think the 15 inch EVO would have been comparable? Not many videos on the EVO 15. Thank you.
Hey mate, unfortunately didn't have the 15" Evo on hand. My guess is that it would have been a little better than the 17x13", but not as good as the 19" Evo.
Nenad @ Phase Technical Thank you bud. Keep the videos coming. Maybe do one with the 15 EVO if you think about it.
Help me????garrett atx or 4500 minelab for deeph
4500 no contest
Atx is a toy compared to a gpx with good coils.no were nere the false signals either.
never anything but a gpx ..There are no other detectors that come close ,not even a bit close
Thanks evrybody help me .bough gpx5000
G'day. What settings do you use for the evo coils? I have a 17 x 13 and a 12 inch. Thanks mate
Settings can vary a lot depending on ground conditions and EMI levels, but my usual tweaks from Factory Presets in General mode are: Rx Gain - 1 click down, Signal - 18, Tone - 46 (personal preference), Target Volume - 8 (using SteelPhase enhancer), and if EMI is bad (usually is where I go) then I'll go to Quiet Audio with Stabilizer on 15. Also, usually Enhance or Fine Gold timing, unless in milder ground, then I may try Sens Extra. I just listen to the machine, and adjust until it's happy.
Zed Four Dean? What the heck.
Aussie for GPZ14" coil haha
Thanks for this probably best comparison video i have seen, i am thinking or getting a larger round coil but at the moment cash is to tight to go 19" evo how do you rate 18" detech. I am currently useing 14" coiltek elite on gpx 4500 would i gain much depth
Thanks Steve! The 19" Evo is excellent as it will punch deep but won't sacrifice too much sensitivity. If you're on a budget, you may be lucky enough to find these second hand: Nugget Finder Advantage 18" or 20", Minelab Super Gold Search 18", Commander 18". The Detech is a well priced option if you'd rather buy new. How much depth advantage you'll get over the 14" Elite will really come down to the target. On some gold, smaller pieces or specimens, the 14" may get better depth. On bigger chunky gold, particularly targets over 10grams, you can except the 18"+ coils to get better depth, particularly if you are able to run them in Normal timing.
Thanks for taking the time to answer budget to tight at the moment for new 19"Evo , will hopefully get on top of it in a few months and may get one then ,I have found almost nowhere that I could run in normal around here.
That test was carried out in Maldon, Vic. It was pretty mineralised, not the hottest ground in Victoria, but certainly nowhere near mild. When trying to run Normal or Sensitive Extra you can also use Slow Tracking.
最后挖出来的，是块铁吗？？
Yes, it was iron unfortunately.
i damn i hate steel ,iron ,staples, rust ,bullets ,nails, tin cans ,tacks and all that ...haha
Well no-one loves it, I just think every bit of junk is one step closer to the right colour hehe
Not that virgin ground after all... Ha ha.
YEP haha