The 427 cammer was designed to be an oval track engine. Running at basically wide open making peak power while at wide open for long durations. Ford never(to my knowledge) had any intention of putting it into drag cars. Other people had that idea, because the thing put out monster HP. But it was not designed for that type of "burst" and certainly did not leave a lot open for improvement especially with 70's technology. It was made to beat the hemi at the circle track. It probably would have, at least at first, but we will never know now. Later, OHC was used because it was a way to make an engine shorter and wider, which plays nice with front wheel drive and aero/chassis design. However, I 1000% agree with Uncle Tony on Ford's OHC designs. I owned a 94 Mustang(sold to my boy now) and was an impressionable young man right when all those changes to the Mustang were going on. Ford tried to tell the public that the 4.6 had the same HP and torque as the 5.0. It did not, they had under rated the 5.0 for a few years prior to the 4.6, especially the Cobra. People tried to mod the 4.6, but found out the hard way it cost exponentially more and was exponentially more complicated. To add insult to injury, Ford decided the 351W was to nice for the trucks and stuck the 5.4 in them instead. All to the tune of less power for the same MPG. Driving the point home, Ford then also decided it would spend some serious research money on DOHC versions of these engines. The original Cobra engine had a block made in Italy that could withstand 1000HP. This of course was dropped after a few years as Ford had no intention of going past the 300 mark. Even worse, they made a DOHC 5.4 that was HEAPS better then the SOHC version. We are talking 260HP/350lbft sohc vs 300HP/355lbft. But that's not even the whole story, the power curves of these engines don;t compare either, with the DOHC having a much flatter torque curve to go along with it's much higher peak HP. So did Ford offer this better engine to the public? NO, they stuck it in the Lincoln Navigator to get buried. The SVT team stole a few to build some cars with, which all that did was cause the public to wonder why the engine wasn't available in a Mustang or actual pickup. Ford continued to try to alter and improve this lemon of a platform for 15 years. IMO, even though I was a Ford guy(351W is still a favorite) when, after a decade of failing, Ford decided to just make a 3V version of the same garbage engine rather then ditch it, I have never looked back. Sure sure coyote whatever, I bought an AWD Hemi Charger for a daily to drive in WI. Not that the HEMi is the perfect mill, but while Ford was trying to pass a 300HP 3v crap V8 as a performance engine, Chrysler was dropping 350-450 HP engines into cars(circa 2006) Nowdays Ford is pushing ecoboost, 4 cylander Mustangs and electric hybrids. Ford: RIP circa 1996. (honorable mention to John Colleti and the SVT team for at least trying to keep something going for a few more years after, but it was like weekend at Bernies in the end)
I guess you have never heard of terminator cobras. With the exception of the latest modulars, these engines arent the greatest unless boost is introduced. Then, they become great. To call them lemons is misinforming people. Uncle Tony, don't pin guys that spread misinformation.
In 98-2001ish, Ford and the remnants of the Ford-BF Goodrich Rough Riders factory off-road effort (Dan Smith/Dave Ashley) raced the Duralast F150 trophy truck in SCORE with a DOHC 5.4 that was a/the test bed for that engine. It was one screaming machine with it's 8 into 1 exhaust and did pretty well.
You know why the 5.4 never made it into a production car, it was just too damned tall, why the four valve didn't make it into an F series I'll never know either. Had the 4.6 stayed on track - the four valve was there from the beginning in the Lincoln MK VIII, aluminum block and all, so production wasn't the issue - it's history would (and should) be different. Pre - production had test mules on the dyno making over 400 HP, fox bodies running 160+ mph in vehicle testing, service life testing off the charts. There's a whole lot of Crown Vics out there with over 300k miles on the original engines. All things 4.6 pointed to an engine of magical success, and then the shit hit the fan. Someone decided four valves were too expensive to put into everything so the two valve got the nod and with no breathing 281 cubic inches is a lame duck without a turbo/supercharger. So then the PI head, better but no four valve, three valves better yet but again not enough. Along the way they let the air out of the Cobra, some idiot hadn't just decided pressed on cam lobes were cheaper but was so stupid that they couldn't press them on timed properly... I can write a short story on the 4.6, I knew/know plenty of the characters in its development and production life, much of it went on less than a mile from my shop and discussed at length during meals at the Romeo Cafe. To sum it up, the bean counters MURDERED what could have been as successful of an engine as the 221/260/289/302/351W, but saving $.00000121 per unit was somehow more important, and I can promise those idiots still have jobs after costing Ford Millions more than claim they saved. I'm one of the Windsors biggest fans, but the 4.6 could have been damned near as good.
He's not fibbin.. I've got the pushrod 4.0 and it's very happy. Had 220,000 on it back in 1999 2000. Lost track of mileage, gussin 468,000 or 568,000 and it fires right up -20 below...no ticks. Does better than my civic did at 65,000 miles at that temp.
My military experience with the 302 in shore based tow tractors as an internal combustion engine mechanic , back then meant every engine in the Navy ..anyway I was impressed..but overhead cams and 5 feet of timing chains killed Ford for me ..
I guess they had to stick the cam somewhere and I don't see them voluntarily sticking where I'd like to stick it!!! And, it's not even the camshafts or the chains... it's that they don't tell people that the hydraulic tensioner is a service item and the way they route the oil to them to get the pressure. And yeah, the plastic cassettes holding the chains in place... I don't see how they don't have a class action suit against them. That should at least be a dealer replacement free of charge. They knew, know they're junk. The sad thing is, they're everywhere... Exploders of course, but Rangers, Mustangs, Mercury SUV and even Land Rover. I don't know why (I hate big government, but) no entity has forced them to make this right. I guess it's not life threatening like airbags???
Im guessing they dont need the thin oil that engines with overhead cams and vvt need. I love simple reliable engines. I read vvt gives you minuscule improvement in economy so its pointless .
@@closertothetruth9209 a LOT of ford techs say use 5w-30 in the 5.4..... especially if they have 100k plus miles Never liked 5w-20...... 5w-30 or 5w-40 (10w-30 on old shit) All else are bandaids for bad design
What a time to be alive. Never thought I would see a domestic big block get made in the age of hybrids and electric vehicles. But here we are, and it's pretty freaking awesome.
I too would have thought the 7.3l Godzilla motor was a big block coming in at 445ci. But UT says in this video that it’s a small block. And indeed, Ford themselves state that this engine is a small block. It’s barely bigger in size than the 351 Windsor. This thing is going to be crazy fast once the aftermarket starts figuring it out and Godzilla trucks start stacking up in wrecking yards.
It speaks volumes when a hardcore Mopar guy like UT says that another manufacturer created a masterpiece. I fully agree that Ford should offer a crate package.
@@mooman86 all because years back before i was even born people got brainwashed into believing diesel emissions are worse than gas emissions :( I've met so many old people that say shit like "id never buy a diesel i like the environment" while driving their hybrid filled with lithium that was strip mined or that drive a truck that gets 10mpg
@@mooman86 lol how did they kill it? The new diesel trucks are more powerful now than they've ever been. Crazy numbers like 1,000ftlbs of torque before 2k rpm.
@@Tanner731 before they started adding emissions equipment to diesel engines they were insanely higher than gasoline engines. Now though with the emissions control equipment (SCR, DPF, EGR etc.) the exhaust is actually cleaner than a gasoline engine. Ford just finally realized that MOST people don't want to spend $15k for a diesel but still want to tow stuff easily.
Before calling anything on the Godzilla a copy. Remember, Ford had cross bolt mains in the 60's, as well as the tunnel ports and side oilers, The small block Cleveland had canted valve heads, Ford's old wedge heads were very good designs, and Ford's heart shaped combustion chambers and valve spacing was copied and copied. Yes the LS is a very good engine, it should be, after other manufactures design patents ran out, they used what designs worked.
I personally love clevelands, but this is a cross between a cleveland and a windsor, but with a more modern combustion chamber. The bottom end is very impressive too.
Shit 4 Brains yeah a 454 455 502 BB is hard to beat when you get one together and in a cool car. But when your a poor like myself the 4.8 5.3 6.0 are a drop in feature. That’s hard to complete with
I’m excited about the 7.3 too and I been watching REVan Evan as well. The modular engine does exist Uncle Tony, I have a 2v 3v and a 4v. And while I would gladly throw my 5.4 3v in the bush for a 7.3 Godzilla engine I absolutely love my all aluminum 4.6 4cam engine out of my marauder. I saw one at a car show that was completely polished. It’s still the most beautiful engine I’ve ever seen.
Checked one out at my friend’s dealership two weeks ago. UT is right. Great compact package and it has a great sounding exhaust! $2000 option over the base motor and $8000 less than the Powerstroke.
Man the 289 Windsor V8 is a great motor ! My boy had 1 in his 65 mustang back in high school! That thing still cranks over and still runs till this day ! Good video uncle tony!
Ive been watching Uncle tony for over a year and always like going back to watch his older content again. So glad this channel has grown the way it has over the last year. So much information and decades of knowledge from so many great sources. 1 million subscribers by next year... Keep up the great work.
Basically what you are saying is, If they played their cards right, you might even see them being swapped into chevys as ls engines are swapped in to ford's...
In 1989 I slipped on my words and called a customers vehicle that to their face,, "oh no sir, your _exploder_ is fine"..😲! he thought I was serious, I had to explain!
I’m so glad to hear you say that you do like the 351windsor engine. I am a molar man to the bond Uncle Tony but don’t know crap about the Ford engines and I just so happened to stumble across a 94 F250 almost 2 years ago and it had a service box on It and brand new tires with only 5 miles and it was donated to a local church within 5 miles of me and they sat on it almost 5 years before doing anything and that is when they put the tires on it just to sell it and they only wanted $800 for it so even tho I’m a molar man, that was a no brained cause the tires alone were worth that. My problem is the 351 runs pretty damn good but does need s little love and I have no idea where to start. I wish you were close by and I could hire you to peek up her skirt!!! Thank you for all your awesome vids Uncle Tony, you help more than you know Brother, thank you very much!!!
She's a Windsor motor, probably only needs an oil change and fresh filters all around to run for another 20 years if you're not pushing her hard. After sitting that long, you're definitely going to need to buy a case of fuel filters to deal with the varnish. Replace them every time the motor sounds like it is running out of gas.
YUP, keep running a good gas treatment through it... Martin Brodel or Brodel Nation channel, he fully endorses Bear's products. in the oil I'd go a round of "Restore" first (good for rings bearings and seals), then a year later half bottle Bear's oil treatment stop-leak stuff (as recommended!). his gas treatment is also supposed to be THE stuff to use. chemicals CAN do wonders to bring an engine back up, Project Farm channel used "Restore" on an older diesel tractor, before had a couple cylinders low on compression, after was 285-300 PSI for all, and a year later too! give it a set of fresh plugs (after 1000 mi of "Restore"), ignition wires, and check the timing, odds are good it'll run like a champ without REALLY doing anything special or difficult.
If it has hiccups or hesitation, it's prolly fuel related as others have said. If you mean give it a nudge in power, well, 90's Ford EFI doesn't play nice with much of anything. That truck will be a work horse till 300k miles easy, but if you want more giddyup all you can really do is exhaust work. Ditch the cats(unless you need them for inspection) and put a nice Gibson muffler on(will flow without the noise, its a utility box truck haha) Beyond that you would have to ditch the whole efi, intake the works, buy an MSD box to run the ignition and go carb. Not worth it for an 800 dollar truck haha. You can beef up the EFI but it's $$$, an intake alone will run what you paid for the truck unless you can find one at a swap form an old Lightning.
@@davenhla I disagree on the EFI, but you do need an EEC-4 system that is OBD2 compliant so you don't need a proprietary scan tool. Basically, the early-90s 5.0 mustang fuel injection system.
@@ScottKenny1978 It's a 800 dollar truck. Ford didn't put mass air on the 351W till the last year of production for the trucks, cept for california i think got it a little earlier. The computers for the trucks actually add timing, you can't even adjust the advance without it detonating unless you go aftermarket ignition. He doesn't have a mustang or he wouldn't have all the issues and I wouldn't have replied as such. In order to adjust timing, do a cam, or almost anything etc he would have to find a 96/97 mass air and ecm+harness, or put a MSD box or something on. Prolly not for an 800 dollar truck unless he can find swap stuff or pull a part. He can't really even dip into mustang aftermarket because it is a 351. I have even read horror stories about people putting supposedly good tuners on them and the tuner adjusting the advance/max timing only to have the stock ecm add even more and detonate the crap out of their ride. I am sure there is someone more knowledgable then me on this, plus I havent looked in several years if aftermarket has work arounds, but usually the older something gets the less likely companies will invest in aftermarket for it. But for a guy that basically said he doesn;t know where to start, IMO suggesting a new wire harness/ecm etc so he could even start seemed out of line for an 800 dollar truck. Changing pipes is easy and cheap.
I used to work on a reforestation crew back in the 90’s-2000..... the 7.3 and later versions could take unbelievable punishment..... stole my soul when the 6.0 came out
@@kingerikthegreatest.ofall.7860 Which "old" 7.3 diesel? The IDI? The IDIT? The Powerstroke? For a balance of power and reliability, the 7.3 Powerstroke is probably the pinnacle in my opinion, but the IDIT - underpowered as it is - can hardly be beat for reliability IMO. Though I'm probably biased since I own one of those. Bitch finding parts for an engine only sold for a year and a half though.
This is exactly what I intend to do with my 1978 Ford f150 super cab 4x4. As of right now it has a 460 with fitech injection, a e4od with a stand alone controller and the l&l swap headers among other small bolt on mods.
Tony! You really hit the nail on the head in regards to availability with the 7.3. I've seen the videos of the internals already and it looks like a great engine but unless Ford does something drastic production wise it's never be a cost effective swap. The LS is everywhere, blow one up, no big deal. Most foxbody guys I know can't afford a hamburger so this kind of swap for them is a stupid argument Vs. the LS.
Yes, the cross-bolted main is the bomb. I'm building a 427 Dart block Windsor. This thing is basically that. With the cross-bolted main allows for massive boost. The only thing left is an aftermarket timing cover to allow for distributor.
Bob and Etta were the hardest working team there was in Pro/Stock - they could've qualified in the top three with a Sears lawn tractor. (RIP Bob) That said, I have Ford blue running through my veins but Glidden made all that happen - remember, he ran a Plymouth Arrow one season.
I’ve built a few of those 4.0 Fords that had multiple timing chains and they’re a nightmare! $600.00 tool kit just for that engine. I really like the 5.0 coyote motor but I’m so glad to see ford getting back into the pushrod game. This 7.3L is going to be the pinnacle of racing, It’s a beautiful piece. I’ve had great success with the Windsor and definitely Cleveland platforms. Great video!
Just my opinion, but I go by bore centers to determine if it’s a “small block” or “big block.” At 115mm (4.527 inches), this is a bit bigger than the upper end of small blocks, which are in the 4.38-4.46 range. But it’s much closer the small blocks than the 4.75-5” big blocks. Whatever we’ll call it, a 4.22” bore is something to work with!
also raises the height of the engine itself, as well as the width. this is why the mustang has the domed hoods as opposed to the Camaro and Challenger having flatter hoods
I know of a guy who turboed a Boss 429 engine, and he said that the intake ports , could never get them to flow like they should, in the end they had to be welded up and reported out smaller, they were just too big - probably good for a 15 litre engine or a top fueler..
So, I went to king of the hammers this year, just got back on Friday, but there was some Ford reps there, they had the 7.3 on display. I was so excited that I really overwhelmed the rep and I'm pretty sure I knew more about it than he did. After seeing it in person, I couldn't help but notice the timing chain seems a little dinky... So does anyone have any insight on that? I'm also not big on the chain driven oil pump. And the fact that it has plastic timing chain guides. The sceptic in me thinks this will be an issue in a few hundred thousand miles. Thought?
The Ford 2-valve 5.4 truck motors, longevity wise, can't be beat. I see them often with over 350k. My own 5.4 Expedition needed head gaskets at 400k. Other than a few coil-on-plugs and a water pump, not much else. Now at 450k.
I saw the HP dyno graph of this engine after the Cam, Headers, Intake swap and had to do a Torque conversion to see what it had for torque. 495 @ 3500 550 @ 4500 567 @ 5000 This little Baby is going to be fun. Just remember, there are going to be thousands of Fleet operators out there with these in trucks, so they will not be impossible to find.
No hate from me, I'm a fox body mustang nut. And a ford guy through and through, but I love your channel and I have come to love mopars because of it. I hope someone from ford sees this video and takes your word for this idea. And I follow evan and have been with him since the 5.0 magazine days.
I watched that too. Tfl truck are the benchmark now for truck reviews. That pull was seriously impressive. It did it only 30 seconds slower than the new duramax. Same trailer weight
@@FosterFarmsOk Power is Power. Use more takes more. The real question is what would have happened if they rolled up the hill at a constant rpm for the same time as the chevy?
I'm a motorcycle mechanic by trade so OHC is pretty standard fare. But motorcycle engines are accessible and or removed to work on. In a four wheeler , a pushrod engine is maintenance free with no loss for the low revs involved.
I can’t wait till these engine’s are readily available. As soon as I heard it was coming out I was thinking about a mustang with a 7.3 and I can’t wait to go test drive the new truck I’m hoping to add one to my fleet after the first year. Let them work some bugs out if it has any
I love hearing your input on this stuff. I kinda disregarded the 7.3 thinking it was gonna end up like a vortec 8.1. A big gasser no one wants cause a diesel will tow more and a small block is more flexible with a modern 10 speed automatic. You made some good points about this being a beefed up drag engine not much bigger than a Windsor and that put it in perspective. I think the fact that it shares no common parts with the modular that might end up holding it back in the long run. Only time will tell great video
Well if anyone had any, thoughts, doubts or reservations regarding the new 7.3; Uncle Tony has called it! Subject to availability it’s going to be a great engine with tremendous potential.
The 7.3 Gz is going to be like the 5.0HO was in late 80s / 90s ( everyone was trying to keep up with little Windsor so much even a 350 struggled to keep up , Ford is the leader in heavy truck sales so I think there will be a lot of availability coming soon
I have worked for Ford for 20yrs now. I never understood why they needed OHC engines. My 97 F150 with the 4.6, foot planted clean to the floor shifts at 5k max. I thought the whole idea behind OHC was better efficiency and higher RPM, both of which that truck lacks. A nice small block 302 with better designed heads and cam would have been the better choice for their truck line of engines. I've done so many timing chain cassettes and primary chains and tensioners on those 4.0 SOHC engines I have PTSD every time I see one. The new Godzilla just makes so much more sense to me for a basic reliable truck engine. They should have stuck with the push rod design all along for the trucks.
The timing chain issue is why I decided to go old school and bought a 1996 ranger with the OHV 4.0. Not much power, but I just use it for work and hauling brush, mulch,etc.I am hoping it runs the rest of my life or until the Iowa rust gets it like it did my '94 powerstroke F250.
@@iowapanner2223 I've owned a 91 Explorer and a 94 Aerostar, both of which had the pushrod 4.0 and ran them both to well over 300k before selling them. Here in PA the rust gets to them, but the engines in both were running top notch with no issues whatsoever.
The GT 350 also has bad engine, there are so many TH-cam videos about broken 350 engine’s. Will the new 7.3 fit in a 1500? Without to much modify to the chassis?
Finally going back to basics.mopar and GM have pushrod V8s no problem with them.cam in the block gives you a narrower engine . when I first saw the ohc V8 in a 91 Lincoln I thought big engine until I looked at the underhood label and saw 4.6 LTR that's where it started in the Lincoln.ford needs to stop being over tech when there is no need for it especially if it's not as good as old school.
You may not want to hear it bit I'm a big fan of Coyote (they're coming out with an iron block version) but even I think the Godzilla is a great alternative if you don't want mess with DOHC. It definitely has more than enough ci to compensate for the lack of 4 valves and high rpm plus it looks to have about the same footprint as the 30in wide Coyote.
Hey Uncle Tony, Since you opened the Ford box, an episode about Clevelands sometime would be appreciated. The Aussies have done some truly amazing stuff with them and the 400s arent the boat anchors most think with a bit of TLC added.
Yeah the Aussies have street machines pulling 7500 plus rpm and doing 10.5 second quarters with Clevelands in them and most of those street killer's are the Aussie made Falcons which are big and heavy 😊
My heart goes out to you tony. As a fellow wrench brother who also quit a job because of the 4.0 exploders. It’s actually more complex than that. Because i TRIED to quit. But got sucked back in by evil $$$ At the time was making like $14 from a cheap ass boss. When I gave my notice I eventually got offered $70k salary. I made enough to move on and quit anyway. Nothing is worth staring down a black hole of depression. Nothing. And if you can’t learn that. Then everything stops being worth anything when your in that state of mind. Keep it up uncle tony
Your point on the 'Cammer'. It was obsolete when every fueller blew their motor on every run. If not blown, a rebuild, between runs. Too much time with OHC. Cylinder head flow and RPM were not important when you just mixed some hydrazine in to set a record.
As a old mechanic I agree with you about the cammer thing, ok in high reving exotic small displacement engines but not suited to the American market of iron blocked torque monsters. Love the that dig at the starting line....
Hey no hate off of me.. I’m a ford guy watching a mopar nut. I’m fascinated by this new big block, I personally think it’s a big middle finger to the EPA
Uncle Tony, thanks for the kind words, the fantastic content and the plug for my new channel. I can't wait to dig in to the 7.3L and we're planning to run one in a Foxbody. I also just picked up another 5.0 LX like your original Mustang and I'm planning to revisit many of the tricks we did back in the day. You'll need to come power shift it once I get it on track.
People are putting barra engine's in F/other - body Ford mustang's here in Australia there older 60's to 70's model with a barra runs low 8 full street car with a/c
I really hope this thing builds popularity and develops a good aftermarket. I don't think it will ever get close to the popularity or cheapness of an LS after the years of production but I hope to see Ford guys actually use this instead of just throwing an LS in everything. Not that I could afford something like this anytime soon.
Love the commentary on the engine. I want a 7.3 in my F150. I have a 2017 v6 twin turbo. Perfomance is outstanding. I want Raptor turbos! The new 7.3 is a beast! The new Tremor trucks rock! I may need to buy one!
I agree with you. I just found out about it a few months ago and when I looked at it that’s what hit me the drag race potential. Even though I’m a Mopar guy I’ve built and raced all the big 3 companies motors. But when I got a 70 F250 pickup many moons ago and decided to rebuild the fe390 I got a engine book on all engines that Ford built. What amazing to me was all the different engine platforms ford had. Then I was thinking about the production line tooling costs in that they needed to retool or build a complete engine line for all these different engines they produced. The cost involved and the equipment purchased must have been out of sight. The people that made the money was these companies selling Ford the machine tooling for each engine platform because everything was different I could not understand the rational behind it because they needed a different line for each engine model. I cannot understand why they didn’t do more standardization.
There's some duplication in the various engines. For example, the 300 inline six uses the same pistons as the 390, and Ford did make a really weird 200ci inline 4 that's a 300 minus the back two cylinders. Mid 1980s Ford rangers could get that motor, came with kinsler fuel injection!
I'm a die hard Ford guy but I agree. Started with the Y block but then went fe..no wait, let's do a 221 Windsor, oh, and Cleveland and Modified (3 different 351's in production at the same time!!) The 385 series on and on. Mod motor, ahh, coyote, hey v10! How about.... Yeah if Ford would of built the Windsor in 54 instead of the Y block, and 385 series instead of the fe in 58 and then stuck to them....Ford would of had the aftermarket that Chevy had. Ford ruled with the flathead (all the aftermarket) up until 55 when Chevy came out with the Small block. If the Y block would of been good, it would of continued fords aftermarket dominance. (Who stacks the intake ports for Dinner???) that's when Chevy took over.
Jim Miller yep your right. I had a 62 f100 ford pickup with a 292 in it , the lower end was bulletproof one time I was rocking the truck and my food slipped off the brake s as and it the gas by the time I glanced down at the tack it was at 3000 rpm I don’t know how high the engine reved but it did not blow up. The head design sucked why they stacked the intake ports like that I don’t know unless Chevy had a patent on it, but other then that the lower end was real stronger
I see an issue with the oil pump jack shaft when it comes to trying to swap it into other cars. It limits aftermarket oil pan options for certain applications.
I have to stand up for the real 351C here. It was damn near perfect. Also anyone putting a LS in a Mustang may have mental issues. Edit this engine is making my pee pee feel funny
351C was always a race motor, heads were way too big for the street. My dad had one in a 1970 Mercury cougar, only put his foot in it once, said he chickened out at 140mph while the car was still wanting to go faster. I'd rather have a Windsor motor on the street or for a mixed-duty car, but I would absolutely rock a Cleveland for a dedicated race car.
I never understood why they went to that sohc engine. It had no benefit at all over a pushrod design and was more complicated/expensive to produce. The DOHC at least have the benefits of more valves.
The benefits are breathing and in the production failure rate for the blocks. You're moving an entire series of machining steps and a bunch of casting cores off the block, less to screw up at the foundry... and you're moving them to smaller parts that are easier to manage. You also end up with a package that's easy to adapt new technology to... which they eventually did, adding VVT phasers and such. Emissions, and both engine and production efficiency is why, and they just took the tradeoffs on maintainability and packaging. Hey, at least they didn't drive the cams with a belt...
The 7.3L specs out great. The problem I see is that it’s an architecture that only comes in heavy trucks. This means that not only will there be limited production, it will also have limited aftermarket support. Aftermarket doesn’t really cater much to engines specifically for the 3/4 and 1 ton gas market. The 8.1L GM motor is a prime example. The previous Gen 6 BBC in trucks had enough DNA in common with previous Gen 4 and 5 that is still had some aftermarket support. The Gen 7 8.1L has faced a vicious circle of being ignored by aftermarket so it was ignored by hot rodders, so it was ignored even more by aftermarket. The exceptions are when architectures interchange with cars and 1/2 tons. The 6L LS obviously interchanges parts with every other LS, but most heavy pickup trucks stay stock; with the motor getting upgraded once it’s yanked out. Many of the Hemi parts in 3/4 & 1 ton trucks interchange with the other stuff, but most people that want to hop up a Dodge 1 ton get the Cummins. I hope I’m wrong, because I’d like to see the new 7.3L live up to its potential.
390k miles on an 85 Accord and 700k miles on a 93 Ford Crown Victory, engine and trans have never been touched minus normal maintenance. the 4.6 2v is an amazingly reliable engine
yup, old Datsun A-series engines would run forever if you weren't TOO darn rough on them and gave them what little they ever wanted. easiest things for working on yourself too.
There really LS engines everywhere.. though when you said they fall out of the sky I thought of the Cessna plane with an LS swap. My immediate thought was I sure hope not lol
I wouldn't want an LS in a plane, the duty cycle is totally not what the LS was designed for. Plane engines run at full power for almost their entire run, an LS or other car motor is designed to spend it's life at low power and occasionally make lots. About the only car engine I would trust in a plane would be a Mazda rotary, but even then you're only running one of those to about 6k RPM, not the 7500+ they're capable of doing.
Hard to hate on the DOHC 32V 4V modular engines. The 5.4 and 5.8L variants are great. The Cobra 4.6L with an eaton was a forged toolbox for setting the bar that we have now of insane efficiency and crazy numbers. I get 28mpg on the highway with my gt500 and have 720 wheel on tap. My SRT-8 gets about 13 combined mpg with a good strong breeze. It can drop single digits with any launching.
This must be an old video for the reason as I speak here Ford is offering this motor crate complete package including something that will allow you to put it in almost any vehicle. Including a tuners kit and they're also working on performance parts for the motor.
I have a box top Fairmont, 4 cyl 4 speed. I have also bought running driving LS powered trucks for $150 at auctions. I think the way to go is to watch your local salvage auctions for a 7.3 truck. They may be rare, but someone will always be stupid enough to park on train tracks or something like that. Until there is a cheap crate motor option, that's where I'd look. Just my 2 cents.
I have an 8.1 vortec engine out of a Chevy 2500 2005 truck. 496 cubes makes 640 torque at 3800 rpm and 590hp at 5500rpm. Its got a 4.37 crank and a 4.25 bore. More stroke than bore ratio. More torque. That's a moderate build of 9.6:1 compression and a 230s/240s cam @50 the 8.1 vortec is never talked about anymore and its got LS type design. LS cylinder head design and firing order. Also made my build carb not Fuel injection. Wanted to be old school when I put the engine in my 1978 L82 corvette 4 speed. Love the video Uncle Tony! The 7.3 liter Ford engine is finally here to put LS swaps to rest. Hopefully people keep ford with ford. Not a fan of the 5.0 engines. I'm a Push rod engine guy til the day I die!
This engine won't be around long...it is a gas hog designed to be efficient under max load...but I could see a crate engine available soon...but priced so high to be worthless with zero aftermarket parts availability making it out of reach for most.
Hey i was just watching videos about this 7.3 engine and want to build a drag racing mud truck with it Just got done building a 351 dart block 438 cubic inch motor for my mustang but this motor has been in my mind every since i heard of it
Well, to be fair Ford has been stealing bits of this and that from Japan since the 80's. Just as an obscure example, the tailights on a 94/95 mustang that a lot of people say they hate were almost copypasta'd from a japanese auto show car from the late 80's.
@@lawnmowermanlawnmowerman9930 th-cam.com/video/YH4H5thaawI/w-d-xo.html - The GT-R was called Godzilla because it destroyed basically everything on a real racetrack (left AND right turns) when it first came out.
Bang on it's designed from a drag engine background and has huge potential. Let's hope they stuff them into the ranger, ups trucks, mustangs and bronco. The LS was in everything and when I think LS it reminds me of motor homes. Still nice weight, packaging size and plenty aftermarket bits for it though.
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I have a degenerate weakness for Mustangs, especially the Mustang II (feel free to mock me for that..Owned more than a few, never kept one) but aside from that, I never have any luck with Ford.
Don't be down now, I had and loved a Mustang ll in 1978. The kid I bought it from got it hand-me-down from his folks. He had put N50x15's on the rear! It was so funny I left them on until they wore out!
*shrug* The Mustang II is light and has a great front suspension setup that lets the bay take a lot of motor should you so choose. It's only really homely because of the mandated bumpers and 90% of the coupes had that awful vinyl top. Well, and the wheel wells were seriously undersized for the lines, but it was the day of the 14" wheel so... begone the 70's emissions controls and rubber and you've got a decent runner that can handle.
After years of ford doing things wrong, I’m so happy to see them starting to do things right. After the tritons (granted the 2 valves were reliable, if you ignore it sending plugs into orbit, all of them are dogs though), the 6.0 (yes you can make them reliable, but they’re issues that shouldn’t happen), the 6.4l boat anchor and some of the other heaps they’ve sold in recent years, it’s so nice to see new takes on proven tech. With the new bronco, the Godzilla and even the potential the ranger could have, I can say this is the first time in my life that I’m excited about where ford is going.
The 427 cammer was designed to be an oval track engine. Running at basically wide open making peak power while at wide open for long durations. Ford never(to my knowledge) had any intention of putting it into drag cars. Other people had that idea, because the thing put out monster HP. But it was not designed for that type of "burst" and certainly did not leave a lot open for improvement especially with 70's technology. It was made to beat the hemi at the circle track. It probably would have, at least at first, but we will never know now.
Later, OHC was used because it was a way to make an engine shorter and wider, which plays nice with front wheel drive and aero/chassis design.
However, I 1000% agree with Uncle Tony on Ford's OHC designs. I owned a 94 Mustang(sold to my boy now) and was an impressionable young man right when all those changes to the Mustang were going on. Ford tried to tell the public that the 4.6 had the same HP and torque as the 5.0. It did not, they had under rated the 5.0 for a few years prior to the 4.6, especially the Cobra. People tried to mod the 4.6, but found out the hard way it cost exponentially more and was exponentially more complicated.
To add insult to injury, Ford decided the 351W was to nice for the trucks and stuck the 5.4 in them instead. All to the tune of less power for the same MPG.
Driving the point home, Ford then also decided it would spend some serious research money on DOHC versions of these engines. The original Cobra engine had a block made in Italy that could withstand 1000HP. This of course was dropped after a few years as Ford had no intention of going past the 300 mark.
Even worse, they made a DOHC 5.4 that was HEAPS better then the SOHC version. We are talking 260HP/350lbft sohc vs 300HP/355lbft. But that's not even the whole story, the power curves of these engines don;t compare either, with the DOHC having a much flatter torque curve to go along with it's much higher peak HP. So did Ford offer this better engine to the public? NO, they stuck it in the Lincoln Navigator to get buried. The SVT team stole a few to build some cars with, which all that did was cause the public to wonder why the engine wasn't available in a Mustang or actual pickup.
Ford continued to try to alter and improve this lemon of a platform for 15 years. IMO, even though I was a Ford guy(351W is still a favorite) when, after a decade of failing, Ford decided to just make a 3V version of the same garbage engine rather then ditch it, I have never looked back. Sure sure coyote whatever, I bought an AWD Hemi Charger for a daily to drive in WI. Not that the HEMi is the perfect mill, but while Ford was trying to pass a 300HP 3v crap V8 as a performance engine, Chrysler was dropping 350-450 HP engines into cars(circa 2006) Nowdays Ford is pushing ecoboost, 4 cylander Mustangs and electric hybrids.
Ford: RIP circa 1996. (honorable mention to John Colleti and the SVT team for at least trying to keep something going for a few more years after, but it was like weekend at Bernies in the end)
Y'know what...all I can do is pin this comment. All dead on the money, ESPECIALLY the bit about the Cammer.
Thanks!
Awesome explanation!
I guess you have never heard of terminator cobras. With the exception of the latest modulars, these engines arent the greatest unless boost is introduced. Then, they become great. To call them lemons is misinforming people. Uncle Tony, don't pin guys that spread misinformation.
In 98-2001ish, Ford and the remnants of the Ford-BF Goodrich Rough Riders factory off-road effort (Dan Smith/Dave Ashley) raced the Duralast F150 trophy truck in SCORE with a DOHC 5.4 that was a/the test bed for that engine. It was one screaming machine with it's 8 into 1 exhaust and did pretty well.
You know why the 5.4 never made it into a production car, it was just too damned tall, why the four valve didn't make it into an F series I'll never know either.
Had the 4.6 stayed on track - the four valve was there from the beginning in the Lincoln MK VIII, aluminum block and all, so production wasn't the issue - it's history would (and should) be different.
Pre - production had test mules on the dyno making over 400 HP, fox bodies running 160+ mph in vehicle testing, service life testing off the charts.
There's a whole lot of Crown Vics out there with over 300k miles on the original engines.
All things 4.6 pointed to an engine of magical success, and then the shit hit the fan.
Someone decided four valves were too expensive to put into everything so the two valve got the nod and with no breathing 281 cubic inches is a lame duck without a turbo/supercharger.
So then the PI head, better but no four valve, three valves better yet but again not enough.
Along the way they let the air out of the Cobra, some idiot hadn't just decided pressed on cam lobes were cheaper but was so stupid that they couldn't press them on timed properly...
I can write a short story on the 4.6, I knew/know plenty of the characters in its development and production life, much of it went on less than a mile from my shop and discussed at length during meals at the Romeo Cafe.
To sum it up, the bean counters MURDERED what could have been as successful of an engine as the 221/260/289/302/351W, but saving $.00000121 per unit was somehow more important, and I can promise those idiots still have jobs after costing Ford Millions more than claim they saved.
I'm one of the Windsors biggest fans, but the 4.6 could have been damned near as good.
"Ford had to stick these cams on top of this otherwise happy engine"
I'm really not mad at any cams but that's the best comment I've heard today!
He's not fibbin.. I've got the pushrod 4.0 and it's very happy. Had 220,000 on it back in 1999 2000. Lost track of mileage, gussin 468,000 or 568,000 and it fires right up -20 below...no ticks. Does better than my civic did at 65,000 miles at that temp.
My military experience with the 302 in shore based tow tractors as an internal combustion engine mechanic , back then meant every engine in the Navy ..anyway I was impressed..but overhead cams and 5 feet of timing chains killed Ford for me ..
3v Triton engines are great motors. Short of the damn spark plugs and cam phasers.
@@FosterFarmsOk Which is sort of like saying "So otherwise how was Dallas, Mrs. Kennedy?"
I guess they had to stick the cam somewhere and I don't see them voluntarily sticking where I'd like to stick it!!! And, it's not even the camshafts or the chains... it's that they don't tell people that the hydraulic tensioner is a service item and the way they route the oil to them to get the pressure. And yeah, the plastic cassettes holding the chains in place... I don't see how they don't have a class action suit against them. That should at least be a dealer replacement free of charge. They knew, know they're junk. The sad thing is, they're everywhere... Exploders of course, but Rangers, Mustangs, Mercury SUV and even Land Rover. I don't know why (I hate big government, but) no entity has forced them to make this right. I guess it's not life threatening like airbags???
I love the new 7.3 because the cam is inside the block just as God intended.
Yep you're totally correct mate.
Im guessing they dont need the thin oil that engines with overhead cams and vvt need. I love simple reliable engines. I read vvt gives you minuscule improvement in economy so its pointless .
Yes
Amen, Brother!
@@closertothetruth9209 a LOT of ford techs say use 5w-30 in the 5.4..... especially if they have 100k plus miles
Never liked 5w-20...... 5w-30 or 5w-40 (10w-30 on old shit)
All else are bandaids for bad design
What a time to be alive. Never thought I would see a domestic big block get made in the age of hybrids and electric vehicles. But here we are, and it's pretty freaking awesome.
I too would have thought the 7.3l Godzilla motor was a big block coming in at 445ci. But UT says in this video that it’s a small block. And indeed, Ford themselves state that this engine is a small block. It’s barely bigger in size than the 351 Windsor. This thing is going to be crazy fast once the aftermarket starts figuring it out and Godzilla trucks start stacking up in wrecking yards.
@@mmcnew1 ah, my mistake. I got caught up in the CID.
Still need delivery and tow trucks.
It speaks volumes when a hardcore Mopar guy like UT says that another manufacturer created a masterpiece. I fully agree that Ford should offer a crate package.
I recently put a timing belt and all new belt driven accessories on a DOHC V6 Kia minivan. It damaged my soul.
Don't park the Soul so close next time!!!
She doesn’t have a Kia Soul, but does have a Kia Rio. I’m allergic to modern vehicles and don’t want anything designed in this century.
@@johnwilburn
LMAO!!!!
I couldn't resist the play on Kia names!
I agree - not a whole lot of what's rolled out of the factories is much good!
I don’t have a Kia, but I do have a 400,000 mile Hyundai Excel. That’s modern enough for me.
ford sells more fleet trucks than anyone else, I dont think availability will be too bad in a few years
Tanner Especially since emissions have essentially killed the Diesel engine
Yeah, I'm genuinely excited for this.
@@mooman86 all because years back before i was even born people got brainwashed into believing diesel emissions are worse than gas emissions :( I've met so many old people that say shit like "id never buy a diesel i like the environment" while driving their hybrid filled with lithium that was strip mined or that drive a truck that gets 10mpg
@@mooman86 lol how did they kill it? The new diesel trucks are more powerful now than they've ever been. Crazy numbers like 1,000ftlbs of torque before 2k rpm.
@@Tanner731 before they started adding emissions equipment to diesel engines they were insanely higher than gasoline engines.
Now though with the emissions control equipment (SCR, DPF, EGR etc.) the exhaust is actually cleaner than a gasoline engine.
Ford just finally realized that MOST people don't want to spend $15k for a diesel but still want to tow stuff easily.
Guys, we NEED to get uncle Tony one of these engines. Just to see what his opinion of it in person is.
buy him one then.. $8150 from Ford Performance performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-6007-73
@@jaratt85 Compared to the price of a 5.0 Cammer it's pretty cheap.
@@johnparrish9215 cpmared to 9300 for a regular 340hp 302 its cheap
in his 4 door dodge 318 car would be killer !
YOU'RE RIGHT...GREAT IDEA
I was literally saying “ it’s Saturday night I’m bored I need Uncle Tony to upload a video”, and here we are. Uncle Tony never lets down.
Before calling anything on the Godzilla a copy. Remember, Ford had cross bolt mains in the 60's, as well as the tunnel ports and side oilers, The small block Cleveland had canted valve heads, Ford's old wedge heads were very good designs, and Ford's heart shaped combustion chambers and valve spacing was copied and copied.
Yes the LS is a very good engine, it should be, after other manufactures design patents ran out, they used what designs worked.
I personally love clevelands, but this is a cross between a cleveland and a windsor, but with a more modern combustion chamber. The bottom end is very impressive too.
When the junkyards are full of them, then it'll be significant. Until then, it's just expensive.
Agreed. Or those goofs with a need to go fast and deep pockets
I just looked it up Ford parts sells 7.3 gas short block for $6000 full engine $7000.
Can’t beat the LQ motors there everywhere for pennies on the dollar
@@Johnny-jr2lq bigblock Chevys are better....
Shit 4 Brains yeah a 454 455 502 BB is hard to beat when you get one together and in a cool car. But when your a poor like myself the 4.8 5.3 6.0 are a drop in feature. That’s hard to complete with
I work in a automotive repair shop and we have a ford parts supplier and he told me that they are going to put the 7.3 in the mustang and an f150.
You better not be lying cuz that would be perfect
I’m excited about the 7.3 too and I been watching REVan Evan as well. The modular engine does exist Uncle Tony, I have a 2v 3v and a 4v. And while I would gladly throw my 5.4 3v in the bush for a 7.3 Godzilla engine I absolutely love my all aluminum 4.6 4cam engine out of my marauder. I saw one at a car show that was completely polished. It’s still the most beautiful engine I’ve ever seen.
Checked one out at my friend’s dealership two weeks ago. UT is right. Great compact package and it has a great sounding exhaust! $2000 option over the base motor and $8000 less than the Powerstroke.
Man the 289 Windsor V8 is a great motor ! My boy had 1 in his 65 mustang back in high school! That thing still cranks over and still runs till this day ! Good video uncle tony!
Ive been watching Uncle tony for over a year and always like going back to watch his older content again. So glad this channel has grown the way it has over the last year. So much information and decades of knowledge from so many great sources. 1 million subscribers by next year... Keep up the great work.
7.3 is a game changer. Godzilla engine with an 8-71 blower for my classic Stang would be sick
Basically what you are saying is, If they played their cards right, you might even see them being swapped into chevys as ls engines are swapped in to ford's...
I'd hold out until Ford comes out with the Mothra engine. 😂
Beautiful Road Runner brother.
@@CJColvin Thanks! 😀
The Ghidora motor will be the one to look out for! 🤣
Mechagodzilla!
*"Ford Exploder"*
I thought I coined that term...
I'm a retired Ford, Lincoln, Mercury technician...
Dad taught us that term in the mid nineties
In 1989 I slipped on my words and called a customers vehicle that to their face,,
"oh no sir, your _exploder_ is fine"..😲! he thought I was serious, I had to explain!
That's what the damn things were called at my shop. My brother Steve could work on them all day long and be happy. I hated the damn things.
I'm oh so glad we're seeing less and less of the Exploders.
Let's not forget the Ford Tortois and the Mercury Mys-take
You may have coined it, but you let it slip away somewhere... never to return. Good luck with the copyright on that one! 🤣
I’m so glad to hear you say that you do like the 351windsor engine.
I am a molar man to the bond Uncle Tony but don’t know crap about the Ford engines and I just so happened to stumble across a 94 F250 almost 2 years ago and it had a service box on It and brand new tires with only 5 miles and it was donated to a local church within 5 miles of me and they sat on it almost 5 years before doing anything and that is when they put the tires on it just to sell it and they only wanted $800 for it so even tho I’m a molar man, that was a no brained cause the tires alone were worth that.
My problem is the 351 runs pretty damn good but does need s little love and I have no idea where to start. I wish you were close by and I could hire you to peek up her skirt!!!
Thank you for all your awesome vids Uncle Tony, you help more than you know Brother, thank you very much!!!
She's a Windsor motor, probably only needs an oil change and fresh filters all around to run for another 20 years if you're not pushing her hard. After sitting that long, you're definitely going to need to buy a case of fuel filters to deal with the varnish. Replace them every time the motor sounds like it is running out of gas.
YUP, keep running a good gas treatment through it... Martin Brodel or Brodel Nation channel, he fully endorses Bear's products. in the oil I'd go a round of "Restore" first (good for rings bearings and seals), then a year later half bottle Bear's oil treatment stop-leak stuff (as recommended!). his gas treatment is also supposed to be THE stuff to use. chemicals CAN do wonders to bring an engine back up, Project Farm channel used "Restore" on an older diesel tractor, before had a couple cylinders low on compression, after was 285-300 PSI for all, and a year later too! give it a set of fresh plugs (after 1000 mi of "Restore"), ignition wires, and check the timing, odds are good it'll run like a champ without REALLY doing anything special or difficult.
If it has hiccups or hesitation, it's prolly fuel related as others have said.
If you mean give it a nudge in power, well, 90's Ford EFI doesn't play nice with much of anything. That truck will be a work horse till 300k miles easy, but if you want more giddyup all you can really do is exhaust work. Ditch the cats(unless you need them for inspection) and put a nice Gibson muffler on(will flow without the noise, its a utility box truck haha)
Beyond that you would have to ditch the whole efi, intake the works, buy an MSD box to run the ignition and go carb. Not worth it for an 800 dollar truck haha. You can beef up the EFI but it's $$$, an intake alone will run what you paid for the truck unless you can find one at a swap form an old Lightning.
@@davenhla I disagree on the EFI, but you do need an EEC-4 system that is OBD2 compliant so you don't need a proprietary scan tool. Basically, the early-90s 5.0 mustang fuel injection system.
@@ScottKenny1978 It's a 800 dollar truck. Ford didn't put mass air on the 351W till the last year of production for the trucks, cept for california i think got it a little earlier. The computers for the trucks actually add timing, you can't even adjust the advance without it detonating unless you go aftermarket ignition. He doesn't have a mustang or he wouldn't have all the issues and I wouldn't have replied as such. In order to adjust timing, do a cam, or almost anything etc he would have to find a 96/97 mass air and ecm+harness, or put a MSD box or something on. Prolly not for an 800 dollar truck unless he can find swap stuff or pull a part. He can't really even dip into mustang aftermarket because it is a 351. I have even read horror stories about people putting supposedly good tuners on them and the tuner adjusting the advance/max timing only to have the stock ecm add even more and detonate the crap out of their ride.
I am sure there is someone more knowledgable then me on this, plus I havent looked in several years if aftermarket has work arounds, but usually the older something gets the less likely companies will invest in aftermarket for it. But for a guy that basically said he doesn;t know where to start, IMO suggesting a new wire harness/ecm etc so he could even start seemed out of line for an 800 dollar truck. Changing pipes is easy and cheap.
The 7.3 diesel power stroke is one of my favorite engines.
I used to work on a reforestation crew back in the 90’s-2000..... the 7.3 and later versions could take unbelievable punishment..... stole my soul when the 6.0 came out
In your opinion, you think the old 7.3 was the best diesel engine Ford ever had?
Marcus one of their best.
@@kingerikthegreatest.ofall.7860 Which "old" 7.3 diesel? The IDI? The IDIT? The Powerstroke?
For a balance of power and reliability, the 7.3 Powerstroke is probably the pinnacle in my opinion, but the IDIT - underpowered as it is - can hardly be beat for reliability IMO. Though I'm probably biased since I own one of those.
Bitch finding parts for an engine only sold for a year and a half though.
The 7.3L Godzilla V8 would be a great swap for an old school muscle car or hot rod or even in an old school F100.
I look forward to seeing this engine in 67 to 77 Ford F250 Hi-Boy 4x4s.
This is exactly what I intend to do with my 1978 Ford f150 super cab 4x4. As of right now it has a 460 with fitech injection, a e4od with a stand alone controller and the l&l swap headers among other small bolt on mods.
@@peanutbutterandjammy Sounds awesome brother.
Would be nice to swap in a Ford Taurus or a modern 2019 suicide door Lincoln.
Tony! You really hit the nail on the head in regards to availability with the 7.3. I've seen the videos of the internals already and it looks like a great engine but unless Ford does something drastic production wise it's never be a cost effective swap. The LS is everywhere, blow one up, no big deal. Most foxbody guys I know can't afford a hamburger so this kind of swap for them is a stupid argument Vs. the LS.
I'd rather drive a Ford so I won't have to push a chevy.
Yes, the cross-bolted main is the bomb. I'm building a 427 Dart block Windsor. This thing is basically that. With the cross-bolted main allows for massive boost. The only thing left is an aftermarket timing cover to allow for distributor.
I was just thinking haven't seen an Uncle Tony yet....then blammo....hi Uncle Tony.....
Wow. Love the breakdown Uncle Tony! I'm blown away, never sunk my head into it that much. Really stoked now
Bob Glidden didn't have trouble putting the mopars on the trailer & he & his wife built them in his shop.Back when prostock was worth watching.
Bob and Etta were the hardest working team there was in Pro/Stock - they could've qualified in the top three with a Sears lawn tractor. (RIP Bob)
That said, I have Ford blue running through my veins but Glidden made all that happen - remember, he ran a Plymouth Arrow one season.
Then the 500 inch rule put the Ford's on the trailer.lol
I’ve built a few of those 4.0 Fords that had multiple timing chains and they’re a nightmare! $600.00 tool kit just for that engine. I really like the 5.0 coyote motor but I’m so glad to see ford getting back into the pushrod game. This 7.3L is going to be the pinnacle of racing, It’s a beautiful piece. I’ve had great success with the Windsor and definitely Cleveland platforms. Great video!
Great seeing you on Nick's Garage live show. Mopar knowledge by the bucketful.
Just my opinion, but I go by bore centers to determine if it’s a “small block” or “big block.” At 115mm (4.527 inches), this is a bit bigger than the upper end of small blocks, which are in the 4.38-4.46 range. But it’s much closer the small blocks than the 4.75-5” big blocks.
Whatever we’ll call it, a 4.22” bore is something to work with!
Interesting they went back to pushrod...I guess to keep it skinny...Those Mod quad cam things take up a lot of room.
also raises the height of the engine itself, as well as the width. this is why the mustang has the domed hoods as opposed to the Camaro and Challenger having flatter hoods
Tommy Grove split 2 cammers in 2 weeks, 2nd one was at Match Race at Toronto International Dragway where I worked as a teenager.
I heard about this engine a few years ago but was skeptical that it would ever get released. It is awesome that Ford followed through with this!
I know of a guy who turboed a Boss 429 engine, and he said that the intake ports , could never get them to flow like they should, in the end they had to be welded up and reported out smaller, they were just too big - probably good for a 15 litre engine or a top fueler..
Love to hear tony praise the Small block Ford..😎
So, I went to king of the hammers this year, just got back on Friday, but there was some Ford reps there, they had the 7.3 on display. I was so excited that I really overwhelmed the rep and I'm pretty sure I knew more about it than he did. After seeing it in person, I couldn't help but notice the timing chain seems a little dinky... So does anyone have any insight on that? I'm also not big on the chain driven oil pump. And the fact that it has plastic timing chain guides. The sceptic in me thinks this will be an issue in a few hundred thousand miles. Thought?
*"Torque Monster"*
Must be a Buick 455 Stage 1...
Or a Pontiac 455, both of which are amused at the 'big torque' of other engines.
W-30!
Stage 1 all the way with a few Kenny Bell additions. 👍
I would love to see Nelson Racing engines build one
I always liked the 500 caddy for torque
@@charlesangell_bulmtl
The Buick 455 Stage 1 in 1970 had the highest torque @ 510lbs/ft than any other production engine, even the hemi....
The Ford 2-valve 5.4 truck motors, longevity wise, can't be beat. I see them often with over 350k. My own 5.4 Expedition needed head gaskets at 400k. Other than a few coil-on-plugs and a water pump, not much else. Now at 450k.
I saw the HP dyno graph of this engine after the Cam, Headers, Intake swap and had to do a Torque conversion to see what it had for torque.
495 @ 3500
550 @ 4500
567 @ 5000
This little Baby is going to be fun.
Just remember, there are going to be thousands of Fleet operators out there with these in trucks, so they will not be impossible to find.
No hate from me, I'm a fox body mustang nut. And a ford guy through and through, but I love your channel and I have come to love mopars because of it. I hope someone from ford sees this video and takes your word for this idea. And I follow evan and have been with him since the 5.0 magazine days.
That motor is a beast.
Not close put same time R/D in 8.1 with aftermarket support
Just got done watching them pull a 18,000 lb trailer up a mountain with this engine.
Yeah, in record time by a mile.
That 2.2mpg was a bit of a shock though. I wonder what it gets just cruising around
I watched that too. Tfl truck are the benchmark now for truck reviews. That pull was seriously impressive. It did it only 30 seconds slower than the new duramax. Same trailer weight
@@FosterFarmsOk It'll be more of a shock at $6 bucks a gallon when old bernie becomes president!
@@FosterFarmsOk Power is Power. Use more takes more. The real question is what would have happened if they rolled up the hill at a constant rpm for the same time as the chevy?
I just purchased a new super duty with a 7.3. And wow first week of ownership and I do not miss my old mod engine.
Would love to see a 302 or 351 build
I'm a motorcycle mechanic by trade so OHC is pretty standard fare. But motorcycle engines are accessible and or removed to work on. In a four wheeler , a pushrod engine is maintenance free with no loss for the low revs involved.
I can’t wait till these engine’s are readily available. As soon as I heard it was coming out I was thinking about a mustang with a 7.3 and I can’t wait to go test drive the new truck I’m hoping to add one to my fleet after the first year. Let them work some bugs out if it has any
I love hearing your input on this stuff. I kinda disregarded the 7.3 thinking it was gonna end up like a vortec 8.1. A big gasser no one wants cause a diesel will tow more and a small block is more flexible with a modern 10 speed automatic. You made some good points about this being a beefed up drag engine not much bigger than a Windsor and that put it in perspective. I think the fact that it shares no common parts with the modular that might end up holding it back in the long run. Only time will tell great video
Well if anyone had any, thoughts, doubts or reservations regarding the new 7.3; Uncle Tony has called it! Subject to availability it’s going to be a great engine with tremendous potential.
The 7.3 Gz is going to be like the 5.0HO was in late 80s / 90s ( everyone was trying to keep up with little Windsor so much even a 350 struggled to keep up , Ford is the leader in heavy truck sales so I think there will be a lot of availability coming soon
I have worked for Ford for 20yrs now. I never understood why they needed OHC engines. My 97 F150 with the 4.6, foot planted clean to the floor shifts at 5k max. I thought the whole idea behind OHC was better efficiency and higher RPM, both of which that truck lacks. A nice small block 302 with better designed heads and cam would have been the better choice for their truck line of engines. I've done so many timing chain cassettes and primary chains and tensioners on those 4.0 SOHC engines I have PTSD every time I see one. The new Godzilla just makes so much more sense to me for a basic reliable truck engine. They should have stuck with the push rod design all along for the trucks.
The timing chain issue is why I decided to go old school and bought a 1996 ranger with the OHV 4.0.
Not much power, but I just use it for work and hauling brush, mulch,etc.I am hoping it runs the rest of my life
or until the Iowa rust gets it like it did my '94 powerstroke F250.
I had a 95 or 96 e350 work van in the late 90s with the 351 , what a tire fryer 😆
@@iowapanner2223 My ranger has that engine. She ain't exactly the fastest truck out there, but damn do they endure
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I've owned a 91 Explorer and a 94 Aerostar, both of which had the pushrod 4.0 and ran them both to well over 300k before selling them. Here in PA the rust gets to them, but the engines in both were running top notch with no issues whatsoever.
@@littlebearish I got mine with 130K so it looks like I should have a good shot at a long lived truck, thanks.
I really hate it that Ford calls the Godzilla motor a 7.3, the same as the PowerStroke diesel. How about 7.4?
Ford branding savvy is severely lacking.
I love listening to Uncle Tony-for him it’s not just about cars & engines, it’s a religion.
A lot of school buses will have this motor
LOOOOOOL PTSD from an engine's design. You cant get more legendary than that!!!! YOU ARE LEGENDARY!!!! ;)
The GT 350 also has bad engine, there are so many TH-cam videos about broken 350 engine’s.
Will the new 7.3 fit in a 1500? Without to much modify to the chassis?
Ford doesn't make a 1500.
As a ford guy this has me excited
Finally going back to basics.mopar and GM have pushrod V8s no problem with them.cam in the block gives you a narrower engine . when I first saw the ohc V8 in a 91 Lincoln I thought big engine until I looked at the underhood label and saw 4.6 LTR that's where it started in the Lincoln.ford needs to stop being over tech when there is no need for it especially if it's not as good as old school.
You may not want to hear it bit I'm a big fan of Coyote (they're coming out with an iron block version) but even I think the Godzilla is a great alternative if you don't want mess with DOHC. It definitely has more than enough ci to compensate for the lack of 4 valves and high rpm plus it looks to have about the same footprint as the 30in wide Coyote.
Hey Uncle Tony, Since you opened the Ford box, an episode about Clevelands sometime would be appreciated. The Aussies have done some truly amazing stuff with them and the 400s arent the boat anchors most think with a bit of TLC added.
Yeah the Aussies have street machines pulling 7500 plus rpm and doing 10.5 second quarters with Clevelands in them and most of those street killer's are the Aussie made Falcons which are big and heavy 😊
My heart goes out to you tony.
As a fellow wrench brother who also quit a job because of the 4.0 exploders.
It’s actually more complex than that. Because i TRIED to quit. But got sucked back in by evil $$$
At the time was making like $14 from a cheap ass boss. When I gave my notice I eventually got offered $70k salary.
I made enough to move on and quit anyway.
Nothing is worth staring down a black hole of depression.
Nothing.
And if you can’t learn that. Then everything stops being worth anything when your in that state of mind.
Keep it up uncle tony
Nate, I would go live in a cardboard box and live on bugs and grass before I ever opened the hood on another one of those fucking things
I have a 79 bronco begging for this engine! Currently has a 460...
What's the bell housing bolt pattern? That's what I want to know.
@@jesusisalive3227 you can make anything work with an "Adapta Kit".
Your point on the 'Cammer'. It was obsolete when every fueller blew their motor on every run. If not blown, a rebuild, between runs. Too much time with OHC. Cylinder head flow and RPM were not important when you just mixed some hydrazine in to set a record.
As a old mechanic I agree with you about the cammer thing, ok in high reving exotic small displacement engines but not suited to the American market of iron blocked torque monsters. Love the that dig at the starting line....
Hey no hate off of me.. I’m a ford guy watching a mopar nut. I’m fascinated by this new big block, I personally think it’s a big middle finger to the EPA
And no democrat president to worry about for at least five years!
@@0004612 Only if people go vote! Don't let people get lazy thinking it's a sure thing! Gotta vote!
Uncle Tony, thanks for the kind words, the fantastic content and the plug for my new channel. I can't wait to dig in to the 7.3L and we're planning to run one in a Foxbody. I also just picked up another 5.0 LX like your original Mustang and I'm planning to revisit many of the tricks we did back in the day. You'll need to come power shift it once I get it on track.
I'm there, brother!
Looking forward to seeing what you can make her do!
People are putting barra engine's in F/other - body Ford mustang's here in Australia there older 60's to 70's model with a barra runs low 8 full street car with a/c
@Lassi Kinnunen and ? If people in the states already have a hand full of barras getting build or put in a mustang.
Might be fun to stick into a mustang that originally came with a six, but mustangs really should have V8s.
I really hope this thing builds popularity and develops a good aftermarket. I don't think it will ever get close to the popularity or cheapness of an LS after the years of production but I hope to see Ford guys actually use this instead of just throwing an LS in everything. Not that I could afford something like this anytime soon.
Love the commentary on the engine. I want a 7.3 in my F150. I have a 2017 v6 twin turbo. Perfomance is outstanding. I want Raptor turbos! The new 7.3 is a beast! The new Tremor trucks rock! I may need to buy one!
Love to hear tony praise the Small block Ford..😎
Hey Tony, time to bring back OHC Nightmares.... you ever hear of the experimental 289 OHC?
I agree with you. I just found out about it a few months ago and when I looked at it that’s what hit me the drag race potential. Even though I’m a Mopar guy I’ve built and raced all the big 3 companies motors. But when I got a 70 F250 pickup many moons ago and decided to rebuild the fe390 I got a engine book on all engines that Ford built. What amazing to me was all the different engine platforms ford had. Then I was thinking about the production line tooling costs in that they needed to retool or build a complete engine line for all these different engines they produced. The cost involved and the equipment purchased must have been out of sight. The people that made the money was these companies selling Ford the machine tooling for each engine platform because everything was different I could not understand the rational behind it because they needed a different line for each engine model. I cannot understand why they didn’t do more standardization.
There's some duplication in the various engines. For example, the 300 inline six uses the same pistons as the 390, and Ford did make a really weird 200ci inline 4 that's a 300 minus the back two cylinders. Mid 1980s Ford rangers could get that motor, came with kinsler fuel injection!
Kathleen Shaw got that right
Kathleen Shaw we won’t even talk about international harvester
I'm a die hard Ford guy but I agree. Started with the Y block but then went fe..no wait, let's do a 221 Windsor, oh, and Cleveland and Modified (3 different 351's in production at the same time!!) The 385 series on and on. Mod motor, ahh, coyote, hey v10! How about.... Yeah if Ford would of built the Windsor in 54 instead of the Y block, and 385 series instead of the fe in 58 and then stuck to them....Ford would of had the aftermarket that Chevy had. Ford ruled with the flathead (all the aftermarket) up until 55 when Chevy came out with the Small block. If the Y block would of been good, it would of continued fords aftermarket dominance. (Who stacks the intake ports for Dinner???) that's when Chevy took over.
Jim Miller yep your right. I had a 62 f100 ford pickup with a 292 in it , the lower end was bulletproof one time I was rocking the truck and my food slipped off the brake s as and it the gas by the time I glanced down at the tack it was at 3000 rpm I don’t know how high the engine reved but it did not blow up. The head design sucked why they stacked the intake ports like that I don’t know unless Chevy had a patent on it, but other then that the lower end was real stronger
I see an issue with the oil pump jack shaft when it comes to trying to swap it into other cars. It limits aftermarket oil pan options for certain applications.
I have to stand up for the real 351C here. It was damn near perfect. Also anyone putting a LS in a Mustang may have mental issues. Edit this engine is making my pee pee feel funny
How would that beast sound with a massive cam ITB'S (lotsa cfm) and merged headers backed behind a 6 speed.....MAGICAL!
Do you have to run an LS to have mental issues? Whould an LT1 do the trick?
Windsor bottom end is far stronger I hear...
Anyone putting an LS in a Mustang is on a budget and wants to go fast on the cheap. LS in a fox body is the very essence of hot-rodding.
351C was always a race motor, heads were way too big for the street. My dad had one in a 1970 Mercury cougar, only put his foot in it once, said he chickened out at 140mph while the car was still wanting to go faster.
I'd rather have a Windsor motor on the street or for a mixed-duty car, but I would absolutely rock a Cleveland for a dedicated race car.
I heard these were chucking rods at 10lbs of boost. The coyote may be expensive but gen 2 and 3 are good for 1000 out of the factory if done right.
I never understood why they went to that sohc engine. It had no benefit at all over a pushrod design and was more complicated/expensive to produce. The DOHC at least have the benefits of more valves.
The benefits are breathing and in the production failure rate for the blocks. You're moving an entire series of machining steps and a bunch of casting cores off the block, less to screw up at the foundry... and you're moving them to smaller parts that are easier to manage. You also end up with a package that's easy to adapt new technology to... which they eventually did, adding VVT phasers and such. Emissions, and both engine and production efficiency is why, and they just took the tradeoffs on maintainability and packaging.
Hey, at least they didn't drive the cams with a belt...
@@mfree80286 i agree but the 4.0 sohc should have had the chains in the front.
The 7.3L specs out great. The problem I see is that it’s an architecture that only comes in heavy trucks. This means that not only will there be limited production, it will also have limited aftermarket support. Aftermarket doesn’t really cater much to engines specifically for the 3/4 and 1 ton gas market.
The 8.1L GM motor is a prime example. The previous Gen 6 BBC in trucks had enough DNA in common with previous Gen 4 and 5 that is still had some aftermarket support. The Gen 7 8.1L has faced a vicious circle of being ignored by aftermarket so it was ignored by hot rodders, so it was ignored even more by aftermarket.
The exceptions are when architectures interchange with cars and 1/2 tons. The 6L LS obviously interchanges parts with every other LS, but most heavy pickup trucks stay stock; with the motor getting upgraded once it’s yanked out. Many of the Hemi parts in 3/4 & 1 ton trucks interchange with the other stuff, but most people that want to hop up a Dodge 1 ton get the Cummins.
I hope I’m wrong, because I’d like to see the new 7.3L live up to its potential.
4:30, the hat and the chair are in correct orientation, it's the human that's wrong...
Just imagine only just increasing the cam profile ALONE and nothing else would increase the window rattling something serious
My 99 corolla has 344k miles still running.
390k miles on an 85 Accord and 700k miles on a 93 Ford Crown Victory, engine and trans have never been touched minus normal maintenance. the 4.6 2v is an amazingly reliable engine
Uncle Tony has a 64 Dodge Dart with over a million miles on it with untouched motor
yup, old Datsun A-series engines would run forever if you weren't TOO darn rough on them and gave them what little they ever wanted.
easiest things for working on yourself too.
Cool story. A friend of mine has a 83 mirada with over 420k miles on his 318 and runs great.
@silverbird58 Dude, what the hell are you talking about?
Glad to see the 289 getting some love. The small deck windsor block gets a bad rap, but it was really just a bandaid on the old 221/260 casting
There really LS engines everywhere.. though when you said they fall out of the sky I thought of the Cessna plane with an LS swap. My immediate thought was I sure hope not lol
Theres a lsx powered 2/3 scale P-51.
I wouldn't want an LS in a plane, the duty cycle is totally not what the LS was designed for. Plane engines run at full power for almost their entire run, an LS or other car motor is designed to spend it's life at low power and occasionally make lots. About the only car engine I would trust in a plane would be a Mazda rotary, but even then you're only running one of those to about 6k RPM, not the 7500+ they're capable of doing.
@@ScottKenny1978 they fly them all the time. If its redrived and propped right it wouldn't be working very hard cruising.
@@gat6186 you still need the engine to make 200+hp at whatever part throttle you set it up for. Say, 4000rpm geared to 2k at the prop.
@@ScottKenny1978 ,Only a very brave(or extremely foolish)person would trust their life to a Mazda rotary powered aircraft.
Thinking of writing an email to ford with a link to this video. UNCLE TONY NEEDS ONE
I'd love to have one in my 66 F100 !!
Hard to hate on the DOHC 32V 4V modular engines. The 5.4 and 5.8L variants are great. The Cobra 4.6L with an eaton was a forged toolbox for setting the bar that we have now of insane efficiency and crazy numbers. I get 28mpg on the highway with my gt500 and have 720 wheel on tap. My SRT-8 gets about 13 combined mpg with a good strong breeze. It can drop single digits with any launching.
I'd put one in a crown Vic. They're trucks, right?
This must be an old video for the reason as I speak here Ford is offering this motor crate complete package including something that will allow you to put it in almost any vehicle. Including a tuners kit and they're also working on performance parts for the motor.
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I have a box top Fairmont, 4 cyl 4 speed. I have also bought running driving LS powered trucks for $150 at auctions. I think the way to go is to watch your local salvage auctions for a 7.3 truck. They may be rare, but someone will always be stupid enough to park on train tracks or something like that. Until there is a cheap crate motor option, that's where I'd look. Just my 2 cents.
this new 7.3 ford engine just ran circles around GM's new 6.6 engine in a towing test. doesn't say much about the people running general motors.
It just means that Ford got them on this one, no need to trip.
They also used what I would consider a “ringer” truck with 4.30 rear gearing. Most trucks will have 3.73’s like the Chevy’s all come with.
@@gcaprice406 "Most" trucks? Really? So all the pre-Godzilla trucks I've got that come to me with 4.30 gears are "ringers"?
With 10 speed transmissions, does rear ratio make that much difference?
I have an 8.1 vortec engine out of a Chevy 2500 2005 truck. 496 cubes makes 640 torque at 3800 rpm and 590hp at 5500rpm. Its got a 4.37 crank and a 4.25 bore. More stroke than bore ratio. More torque. That's a moderate build of 9.6:1 compression and a 230s/240s cam @50 the 8.1 vortec is never talked about anymore and its got LS type design. LS cylinder head design and firing order. Also made my build carb not Fuel injection. Wanted to be old school when I put the engine in my 1978 L82 corvette 4 speed. Love the video Uncle Tony! The 7.3 liter Ford engine is finally here to put LS swaps to rest. Hopefully people keep ford with ford. Not a fan of the 5.0 engines. I'm a Push rod engine guy til the day I die!
This engine won't be around long...it is a gas hog designed to be efficient under max load...but I could see a crate engine available soon...but priced so high to be worthless with zero aftermarket parts availability making it out of reach for most.
Hey i was just watching videos about this 7.3 engine and want to build a drag racing mud truck with it Just got done building a 351 dart block 438 cubic inch motor for my mustang but this motor has been in my mind every since i heard of it
I just hate they call it Godzilla, Godzilla is a Nissan
Well, to be fair Ford has been stealing bits of this and that from Japan since the 80's. Just as an obscure example, the tailights on a 94/95 mustang that a lot of people say they hate were almost copypasta'd from a japanese auto show car from the late 80's.
Nissan ain't never made an engine qualified to be a Godzilla
@@lawnmowermanlawnmowerman9930 Godziila is a car brother, Godzilla is a car.
It’s Thunderjet. Not Godzilla
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The GT-R was called Godzilla because it destroyed basically everything on a real racetrack (left AND right turns) when it first came out.
Bang on it's designed from a drag engine background and has huge potential. Let's hope they stuff them into the ranger, ups trucks, mustangs and bronco. The LS was in everything and when I think LS it reminds me of motor homes. Still nice weight, packaging size and plenty aftermarket bits for it though.
I have a degenerate weakness for Mustangs, especially the Mustang II (feel free to mock me for that..Owned more than a few, never kept one) but aside from that, I never have any luck with Ford.
Don't be down now, I had and loved a Mustang ll in 1978. The kid I bought it from got it hand-me-down from his folks. He had put N50x15's on the rear! It was so funny I left them on until they wore out!
*shrug* The Mustang II is light and has a great front suspension setup that lets the bay take a lot of motor should you so choose. It's only really homely because of the mandated bumpers and 90% of the coupes had that awful vinyl top. Well, and the wheel wells were seriously undersized for the lines, but it was the day of the 14" wheel so... begone the 70's emissions controls and rubber and you've got a decent runner that can handle.
@ Hook up a widebody kit like the Monroe Handler (maybe not THAT wide) and roll up the wheel arches, it's a hottie.
@@jerrytee2688 Haha, hey thanks. It even chirped the rears if you power shifted. I'm surprised I never broke something!
After years of ford doing things wrong, I’m so happy to see them starting to do things right. After the tritons (granted the 2 valves were reliable, if you ignore it sending plugs into orbit, all of them are dogs though), the 6.0 (yes you can make them reliable, but they’re issues that shouldn’t happen), the 6.4l boat anchor and some of the other heaps they’ve sold in recent years, it’s so nice to see new takes on proven tech. With the new bronco, the Godzilla and even the potential the ranger could have, I can say this is the first time in my life that I’m excited about where ford is going.
Who the hell gave this engine the 'Godzilla' name?. Everyone knows about the Nissan RB26 yeah?
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I’ve heard people calling it the Thunderjet. I think it’s a better name
The car is the Godzilla, you can call a different motor Godzilla if you want.
What's a "Nissan"?
I dont think it will take as long to get ahold of as you might think. I saw the other day that they’re soon to offer it in a crate engine package