@Prince Cooper pls paste the link of his previous video in which he monitors KERNEL WRITES to SSD or atleast tell the TITLE OF the video so i know which pne to watch!!!!🙄
Thanks mate, definitely took a weight of my chest. Was looking to get a M1 Pro but was concerned when I heard that SSD fail. By far the most comprehensive and clear video on the topic.
@@harjotgill6162 Well. The MacPro is a desktop computer and battery is not an issue. The SSD was my concern at the beginning, but the test has not shown any impairment so far. I think Apple builds very high quality SSDs into the Macs, which I would expect for the price. My 2012 MacBook Pro is also still working fine, although it seems a little slower in the meantime. The battery has, of course, degraded somewhat over the 9 years, but it still serves its purpose for a short time. Most of the time, I run the MacBook on the power supply.
The SSD on a Macbook Pro 2016 I was using broke in late 2021. Everything else about it works. I used an external ssd for booting+main system drive for a few months until I got tired of having to rely on an external drive. I think the only thing your analysis misses is background processes that indiscriminately writes to the ssd without user control. The Mac virtual memory system is becoming very advanced, with the M1 using unified memory and virtual memory. The user cannot control how many bytes the system will write - even if you only browse the web, etc you can't control whether the os will write/commit to the ssd when you are only lightly using the system.
I heard that with the current apple silicone, you cannot boot from an external ssd with a dead internal soldered ssd. So if your internal ssd dies, you can't use the laptop anymore.
@@niaz.shovon ITS THE 2017 MACBOOK PRO WITH TOUCHBAR THE SSD DRIVE STILL WORKS BUT IS FAILING! USE IT AS STORAGE ONLY BUT STILL SHOWS UP AS A STORAGE DRIVE!
Most likely other hardware dies long before the SSD. My 128GB SSD on my Windows PC from 2011 still working, and modern SSDs are way more durable and also larger..
Modern SSD's are either QLC or TLC and hence less durable The SSD u have from 2011 probably has SLC and it will last for long time to come The same can't be said for new one's
Great informative video! Allow me to add a correction on your assessment of 2% storage availability. In this scenario, this will lead to a phenomenon called write amplification, where the SSD erases and rewrites the stored data across all the cells to accomplish its wear leveling objectives. This as you can see amplifies writes as it has to rewrite an existing data to a different cell, erase the previous one and write the new data on that previous location and so on. No modern SSDs will ever write and rewrite a new data on the same location as it would kill the SSD quicker
My 600 dollar Samsung m.2 NVME drive, in my PC, died in just 3 years of desktop use, failing into read only mode, but not before corrupting entire folders of data. Make sure you have efficient backup no matter what you use.
Samsung make cheap quality products with best cutting edge features ... called planned obsolescence 🤑 that is why our samsung phones will gets slowed after 1 year & eventually fails just after warranty period ends... so that customers buy more devices frequently & regularly... planned obsolescence is generally practiced by most of the companies but samsung executed it the best 👌 👍
@@TheFourthWinchester samsung will provide with best quality hardware to Apple, because of their signed contract/Agreement .... otherwise Apple will reject the samsung SSD'S if they find out to be made out of low quality material... period 🤑.
Hi, i just wanna share my experience when i used MBA M1 (8GB RAM). I'm Android Developer and my workflow are - Android Studio - Chrome 5++ tabs - Emulator - Spotify it's used 7GB RAM and 4GB+ Swap memory. And i calculated that almost 3TB written in SSD every WEEK. That's make me frustated and worry when my laptop gonna die in future. What i suggest to people is, get more RAM storage when your have heavy daily work. Now i have bought MBP 14" base model and using it with that daily work it's just under 200GB per week
I mean, if you knew that you were gonna use these many apps at once, ofcourse you're gonna need more ram. I believe using Safari instead of chrome will reduce the number considerably tho.
TLDW: With a MacBook with 256GB of storage, writing 50GB of data per day, the SSD will last 8.2 years 500GB: 16years 1TB: 32 years 2TB: 64 years Almost no one writes 50GB per day, every single day, so the time to failure can be doubled.
This was an amazing breakdown bro! You explained it so well. Feel better now, but still saving everything to my external. Only using about 30 percent of my internal SSD
THIS IS ONE REASON WHY I DON'T OWN AN MAC! SOLDERING SSDs, MEMORY IS NOT RIGHT! I'M AN 36yr TECH, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO UPGRADE. ITS CRAZY THAT MAC USERS DON'T GET ENRAGE OVER THIS.
I've owned several MacBooks over the years, with old mechanical hard drives and SSDs, and I can assure that something else will break or malfunction on your MacBook before the hard drive will.
Yeah an when another part goes wrong ? You have to cough up hundreds for apple to fix it. Unlike other machines. Apple jail, restricts everthing. An you're ssd will slow down over time. Can't change reality.
According to DriveDX, the SSD in my Mac Mini M1 (16 Gb RAM) that I've been using pretty much everyday for the past year is still at 100%. But I should add I only use it to host the OS, applications and a few other resources, all my data is on external SSD drives.
To all those who write here that the SSD from their MacBook from forever ago is still running. The new MacBooks use swap memory much more than the old ones from back then. Especially if you use programs that do not have a native version for the M1 processors, the SSD is particularly stressed by swap.
Not entirely true, that issue was blown out of proportion quite a bit last year and is no longer something to worry about. All Macs use swap, regardless of if they're Apple silicon or not. However, even if you're slamming swap 24/7, the results in this video show that your SSD will still almost certainly last 10+ years.
@@CreatedTech my Macbook Air 2017 swaps memory like crazy with my multi-tasking apps, but it still works very well and is still as snappy as day 1 even after 4 years of daily use.
SWAP works like "virtual memory" on Windows. I think people over-blow how much data is actually written to it than actually read from it. Notice NOT a single person cares about how much is used on Windows machines. lol it's far less efficient as a SWAP on a linux or bsd system. Better yet unix.
@@gabobli Yep, even older Intel Macs use swap pretty much the same amount. I'd argue they use more, because modern apps are more RAM hungry and the RAM in those older Macs is pretty dated. It's just a normal feature of computer operating systems, including Windows.
@@christopherfortney2544 By no means. Swapping in most OSes is using outdated algorithms, and for "security reasons" the true killer is BROWSER CACHE which in newest versions can't be disabled OR moved to Ramdisk.
Thank you so much for this video. So well edited and great info. Lots of stuff I didn't know but learned and the video is just beautifully made. Such a good quality video!
I lost my WD 256gb ssd within only 2 years, was running 24/24 hours on my Dell laptop! But on my 2013 MacBook its still working till today lol! Taking cloud backup is the best thing guys
I own 128Gb m1 macbook air and i am on 92TB of TBW and i have this device for like 10 months. It shows 5% used in the SMART health tool which by doing math we can assume it's TBW to be atleast 1400TB.
Better safe then sorry i would rather get an external SSD or harddrive. Some SSD of this size already start to fail with hitting 150 TBW usually well build ones last well past 500 TBW for a 128 GB version.
While there is little reason to worry about the drive failing, it is still worth purchasing as much SSD capacity as you can afford. Having about 30 - 40% of your drive free will maximize the read/write performance.
I’ve been trying to watch less tech news. But this is genuinely helpful. I’ve been considering whether to switch my workflow to working on internal SSD or keep using externals. Obviously price is an issue, but it is good to know that even copying a couple hundred gigs at a time a couple times a week won’t likely burn through a 2 TB internal SSD
Seems like the battery would go first. And honestly with all the computers I buy and sell, the computer would realistically go first because I spend too much money on this stuff.
@@richard6812 most I spend too much money. A lot of my tech works just fine but watching so much news I get excited about things I don’t really need and then feel bad about what I have
How about moving your home directory to an external SSD and use the internal SSD only for the OS and apps? Would that degrade the performance, especially in video editing and motion graphics?
Yeah if you deal with 100GB video projects every single day I would consider getting a fast external. I wouldn't move the home directory though... that could cause headaches. Just create new project folders on the SSD.
If the ssd fails in your MacBook Pro, you can install MacOS in an external hard drive or external solid state drive. As this operating system let you boot from an external source in which it will give access to the MacBook Pro and you won't have to throw it away or spend a lot of money getting it repaired. I would recommend getting a nvme drive with a usb c enclosure. This is because you will benefit from the fast read and write speeds.
My 2017 MBP 13" 128GB has a dead SSD unfortunately - and considering its age, that's pretty alarming. I did however take it to an Apple Service Centre who have claimed that they will replace it if possible (for a hefty price ofcourse). Upon deeper research, it seems that a particular series of MBPs from 2017 had been recalled for faulty SSDs - anyone know anything about this?
Tbh that it was a pretty disastrous period of Mac-computing presented by Apple. Not only the key-switches, also the top-case, and SSD's have not the best performance numbers in consumer enjoyment time I'd say.
It will last as long as it lasts. And if it should fail, I have everything backed up using Time Machine. And I can still use the Macbook I would just need to attach a Thunderbolt drive to it. Yes, having a TB drive attached isn't quite as convenient as an internal drive but it still works. Frankly I think most people are worrying over nothing. I have some very old SSDs and so far I haven't had one die yet. One of them is in a 16 year old laptop (the SSD isn't original, it's about 10 years old). Also, there are people out there who can replace both memory and SSDs on Macbook motherboards. All it requires is to be good with flux and a soldering iron. Some of them have videos on TH-cam. Whether it's cost-effective or not is up to the individual to decide.
Please do aware that Apple is using multiple NAND chip to achieve SSD's total capacity; 256GB capacity use 2x128GB NAND chip while 1TB capacity use 8x128GB NAND chip. So, each 128GB NAND chip have around 75TBW each. Failure to 1 NAND chip will make Macbook unusable.
Apple should, but probably won’t, offer an exchange program for dead SSDs. Get a “remanufactured” exchange program. They would get so much credit for reducing electronic waste.
Wow, I was just doing research on this yesterday!. As I was debating on picking up an external 4TB Sandisk Extreme or the MacBook Pro 4TB upgrade!. Very good.
I have the Sandisk extreme 4TB + MacBook Pro 1TB. I originally opted for the 4TB MacBook Pro, but backed down. The Sandisk is the workhorse 100% of the time.
@@Hovscorpion12 Yeah, very tempting for sure!. Usable for outside of the laptop (Desktop), plus it keeps the wear out of the laptop… I might go that route. Having to carry it though… Ahh.
this made me happy I opted for the 1TB for my MacBook Air M1. I know I'm gonna be able to get many years out of it. Considering I got 7 years out of my 2009 MacBook.
Thanks a lot for your video. I avoid using my M1 to download videos or big data into the hard drive "I mean SSD". I work from the external drive or USB memory instead. you're right while bigger the SSD would have a bigger TBW capacity. By the way, do you think it is the same degradation process in the Ipads with the M1 chip?
Did i miss it? What type of NANDs are installed in the macbooks e. g. MBA M1 SLC, MLC, TLC or QLC? I think thats the most important question. And of do the NAND chips fail first or the controller chips?
My 256GB SSD failed on my 2014 MacBook Pro in 2019 after 5 years of use. This was frustrating enough as I had to buy an old SSD as the port is not standard on macs, I am not looking forward to my SSD failing on my M1 MacBook Pro :( - I had it for a year, I guess 4 years left!
Because of NAND soldered SSDs I will certainly buy no new laptops anymore. Only CHEAP devices for me now because I see no reason to throw away a 1000 USD device away just because a 20 USD component just died in it. That brings the value of the device down A LOT even if the other components are beyond amazing.
how is it now? still work? what is TBW right now? I just bought an second hand macbook air m1 which last owner used for a year. a problem is it already reach 213 TB
Would you recommend 1TB internal or suggest to get the 2TB for better futureproofing? I'm trying to figure out whether to do that or just use external SSDs.
If you use external SSDs often, get 2TB internal. I got 4TB on my M1 Max and I've never had to use an SSD while editing, it's so much better than having to carry around an SSD all the time.
A higher capacity SSD will typically have a higher endurance rating simply because there are more available cells to write to. Using the paper analogy, if you have a large piece of paper, you would have to erase and write over less in order to record the same amount of information than you would if you had a smaller piece of paper. So when it comes to SSD wear, a higher capacity drive will typically fare better. You are correct.
Apple should bring back with the next model a M.2 ssd slot. There is room to do that. I think is stupid to integrate it in the logicboard. That is a part that need to be replaced once in a while.
M1 Macbooks look great but reality is ssd's can and do fail and it has happened to me in older ones with removable drives. Wouldn't mind if Apple has a proprietary removable drive at least one could replace a failed drive instead of the entire logic board.
This is the main issue keeping me away from modern Mac’s. 2020 loaded intel MacBook Pro and the ssd began throwing corruption errors until finally becoming unusable. All that on top of exorbitant storage prices for slower speeds and the same capacities. Even with the nicer chips they just don’t make sense anymore
MacBook Air 2011 128GB, SSD ok after using everyday. Still have thousand of unused wear leveling blocks. Memory management is so great that endurance is so much enlarged, around 15-20 years at least for most users. I think you would experience limitations on CPU. or RAM before the SSD dies. Careful with bugs! If some app or OS version is wrongly implemented, it may write and erase the memory so much times that may kill it before you think. For me, SSD lifespan is not a problem at least on Mac computers.
I have a very important question and many people might have it as well. Will I be able to boot my M1 mac from external SSD or not if my internal SSD dies? I read somewhere that it is impossible. But I am not sure if that's article is true or not. Please reply and help me out in this regard. Thanks
"The truth is you don't need to worry about it" That line just reminds me of every single unhelpful Apple support thread where the support says "just enjoy your device, don't worry about it!" lol
Hi, you didn't leave the link or put it in the top right corner, to the video that shows how much data has been written to the SSD ? Edit: not to worry, I found it under utilities>activity monitor>disk. My 40 day old M1 Pro 16" has only written 63 GB....and I use it every day. Guess I don't need to worry about it dying. Edit: Okay seems like this number resets every time the MBP is rebooted
Planning to buy macbook pro 14 inch base model for web browsing , watching TH-cam and doing work on Ms office and no video editing or rendering at all. So wanted to ask that will 16 gb ram be enough as I intend to use the laptop for 4-5 years.
Somehow some way, my 1 year old M1 MacBook Pro has 43TB TBW currently. That’s about 112GB a day on average… most likely because of the way it uses swap memory because of its limited RAM capacity of 8GB.
Yep. I love how a lot of these videos say something along the lines of "even with 50GB per day which is a lot, your SSD will last years" while I look at others who are reporting 100+ GB per day. That's what mine was doing before I returned it.
@@spareroomtech Yes. For coding, VMs, Servers, SDK, software buildings. But who is gonna use a laptop for 10 years? 3-4 years I will replace it with another one. The most thing i don't like Apple is that they soilder chips on logic boards and you hardly be able to upgrade it. I will contact some engineers to upgrade my M1 from 8GB to 16GB. But 16G isn't a lot. My i9 9900K hackintosh has 64GB of RAM, which almost can do everything.
I was genuinely concerned that things like cache writes and spotlight would burn out my SSD. Now I know that's unlikely. At the tested rating I could fill and erase my Crucial SSD every single day for over a decade before having to worry.
I’ve had my MacBook Pro sinne 2013 and my ssd in that comouter has not died yet. The ssd:s ar even better today so you dont need to worry. You probably want to change to a new computer before it is worn out 🙂
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Sir pls share the method you told at 11:13 about How much data our/your ssd has written? @Created Tech
@Prince Cooper ok but how?
@Prince Cooper pls paste the link of his previous video in which he monitors KERNEL WRITES to SSD or atleast tell the TITLE OF the video so i know which pne to watch!!!!🙄
Thanks mate, definitely took a weight of my chest. Was looking to get a M1 Pro but was concerned when I heard that SSD fail. By far the most comprehensive and clear video on the topic.
The SSD in my MacPro (late 2013) is still in use today and has been doing the job reliably ever since, with 8 hours per day.
Will the SSD slow down before it dies?
2012 SSD in MBP (2012) still working fine
@@Akar00_00 I don't know, Until now, it doesn't.
@@MF_OXF Yes, my MacBook works fine til now, too.
@@harjotgill6162 Well. The MacPro is a desktop computer and battery is not an issue. The SSD was my concern at the beginning, but the test has not shown any impairment so far. I think Apple builds very high quality SSDs into the Macs, which I would expect for the price.
My 2012 MacBook Pro is also still working fine, although it seems a little slower in the meantime. The battery has, of course, degraded somewhat over the 9 years, but it still serves its purpose for a short time. Most of the time, I run the MacBook on the power supply.
The SSD on a Macbook Pro 2016 I was using broke in late 2021. Everything else about it works. I used an external ssd for booting+main system drive for a few months until I got tired of having to rely on an external drive. I think the only thing your analysis misses is background processes that indiscriminately writes to the ssd without user control. The Mac virtual memory system is becoming very advanced, with the M1 using unified memory and virtual memory. The user cannot control how many bytes the system will write - even if you only browse the web, etc you can't control whether the os will write/commit to the ssd when you are only lightly using the system.
I DID THE EXACT SAME THING!!!! LOVE IT THAT YOU CAN BOOT OS OFF EXTERNAL SSD WORKS GREAT!!!!
I heard that with the current apple silicone, you cannot boot from an external ssd with a dead internal soldered ssd. So if your internal ssd dies, you can't use the laptop anymore.
@@niaz.shovon im using it now booting off ssd eternal and it working great going on two years now
@@brettlewis5157 is that a M1? Is the internal built-in ssd dead?
@@niaz.shovon ITS THE 2017 MACBOOK PRO WITH TOUCHBAR THE SSD DRIVE STILL WORKS BUT IS FAILING! USE IT AS STORAGE ONLY BUT STILL SHOWS UP AS A STORAGE DRIVE!
Most likely other hardware dies long before the SSD. My 128GB SSD on my Windows PC from 2011 still working, and modern SSDs are way more durable and also larger..
Exactly.
Some manufacturers even underrate the capacity of their drives so that even if you fill it, there is still some capacity left.
The computer can fail or the ssd can also suddenly die and repair won’t be cheap on soldered ssd
Modern ssd`s are less durable, but cheaper. QLC ssds are the cheapest and least durable for example
Modern SSD's are either QLC or TLC and hence less durable
The SSD u have from 2011 probably has SLC and it will last for long time to come
The same can't be said for new one's
Great informative video! Allow me to add a correction on your assessment of 2% storage availability.
In this scenario, this will lead to a phenomenon called write amplification, where the SSD erases and rewrites the stored data across all the cells to accomplish its wear leveling objectives.
This as you can see amplifies writes as it has to rewrite an existing data to a different cell, erase the previous one and write the new data on that previous location and so on. No modern SSDs will ever write and rewrite a new data on the same location as it would kill the SSD quicker
My 600 dollar Samsung m.2 NVME drive, in my PC, died in just 3 years of desktop use, failing into read only mode, but not before corrupting entire folders of data. Make sure you have efficient backup no matter what you use.
Samsung make cheap quality products with best cutting edge features ... called planned obsolescence 🤑 that is why our samsung phones will gets slowed after 1 year & eventually fails just after warranty period ends... so that customers buy more devices frequently & regularly... planned obsolescence is generally practiced by most of the companies but samsung executed it the best 👌 👍
@@TheFourthWinchester samsung will provide with best quality hardware to Apple, because of their signed contract/Agreement .... otherwise Apple will reject the samsung SSD'S if they find out to be made out of low quality material... period 🤑.
what types of controller SLC MLC TLC QLC NVMe SSD?
does your samsung SSD has DRAM cache?
Hi, i just wanna share my experience when i used MBA M1 (8GB RAM). I'm Android Developer and my workflow are
- Android Studio
- Chrome 5++ tabs
- Emulator
- Spotify
it's used 7GB RAM and 4GB+ Swap memory.
And i calculated that almost 3TB written in SSD every WEEK. That's make me frustated and worry when my laptop gonna die in future.
What i suggest to people is, get more RAM storage when your have heavy daily work.
Now i have bought MBP 14" base model and using it with that daily work it's just under 200GB per week
I mean, if you knew that you were gonna use these many apps at once, ofcourse you're gonna need more ram.
I believe using Safari instead of chrome will reduce the number considerably tho.
@@rahulenork yup i knew it before i bought it. But, many reviewer said, using 8 GB RAM is enough
That’s great
@@ferrianrp thanks for the info, most of those TH-camrs are full of shit. It is not reliable to buy a product based on their opinion.
@Ferrian Redhia Pratama
Do you face any lags in any of your active programs when you use your MBA M1 8GB with all of your workflows?
TLDW:
With a MacBook with 256GB of storage, writing 50GB of data per day, the SSD will last 8.2 years
500GB: 16years
1TB: 32 years
2TB: 64 years
Almost no one writes 50GB per day, every single day, so the time to failure can be doubled.
that pencil / paper analogy was too good!
My 2012 mid macbook after the ssd upgrade works LIKE SUPER FAST it can even handle games like Asphalt 9,csgo etc....Pretty happy with the decision ;)
I have one and it's super slow compared to my i7 12700
This was an amazing breakdown bro! You explained it so well. Feel better now, but still saving everything to my external. Only using about 30 percent of my internal SSD
I‘m quite new to MacBooks, but I own a Windows laptop from 2016 with a built in SSD and it works as good as day one.
Thank you man . I've been searching for almost 2 years when the m1 macbook launched.
THIS IS ONE REASON WHY I DON'T OWN AN MAC! SOLDERING SSDs, MEMORY IS NOT RIGHT! I'M AN 36yr TECH, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO UPGRADE. ITS CRAZY THAT MAC USERS DON'T GET ENRAGE OVER THIS.
I've owned several MacBooks over the years, with old mechanical hard drives and SSDs, and I can assure that something else will break or malfunction on your MacBook before the hard drive will.
Yeah an when another part goes wrong ? You have to cough up hundreds for apple to fix it. Unlike other machines. Apple jail, restricts everthing. An you're ssd will slow down over time. Can't change reality.
This video is so informative I can't handle it. Please don't ever stop making these super helpful content!
Ya you love that big content ;)
@@Jennifer-cg5ih massive ;)
Nice video sir
According to DriveDX, the SSD in my Mac Mini M1 (16 Gb RAM) that I've been using pretty much everyday for the past year is still at 100%. But I should add I only use it to host the OS, applications and a few other resources, all my data is on external SSD drives.
Hi! Can I ask you something regarding this topic please?!
To all those who write here that the SSD from their MacBook from forever ago is still running. The new MacBooks use swap memory much more than the old ones from back then. Especially if you use programs that do not have a native version for the M1 processors, the SSD is particularly stressed by swap.
Not entirely true, that issue was blown out of proportion quite a bit last year and is no longer something to worry about. All Macs use swap, regardless of if they're Apple silicon or not. However, even if you're slamming swap 24/7, the results in this video show that your SSD will still almost certainly last 10+ years.
@@CreatedTech my Macbook Air 2017 swaps memory like crazy with my multi-tasking apps, but it still works very well and is still as snappy as day 1 even after 4 years of daily use.
SWAP works like "virtual memory" on Windows. I think people over-blow how much data is actually written to it than actually read from it. Notice NOT a single person cares about how much is used on Windows machines. lol it's far less efficient as a SWAP on a linux or bsd system. Better yet unix.
@@gabobli Yep, even older Intel Macs use swap pretty much the same amount. I'd argue they use more, because modern apps are more RAM hungry and the RAM in those older Macs is pretty dated. It's just a normal feature of computer operating systems, including Windows.
@@christopherfortney2544 By no means. Swapping in most OSes is using outdated algorithms, and for "security reasons" the true killer is BROWSER CACHE which in newest versions can't be disabled OR moved to Ramdisk.
Thank you so much for this video. So well edited and great info. Lots of stuff I didn't know but learned and the video is just beautifully made. Such a good quality video!
I lost my WD 256gb ssd within only 2 years, was running 24/24 hours on my Dell laptop! But on my 2013 MacBook its still working till today lol! Taking cloud backup is the best thing guys
I own 128Gb m1 macbook air and i am on 92TB of TBW and i have this device for like 10 months. It shows 5% used in the SMART health tool which by doing math we can assume it's TBW to be atleast 1400TB.
Better safe then sorry i would rather get an external SSD or harddrive. Some SSD of this size already start to fail with hitting 150 TBW usually well build ones last well past 500 TBW for a 128 GB version.
While there is little reason to worry about the drive failing, it is still worth purchasing as much SSD capacity as you can afford. Having about 30 - 40% of your drive free will maximize the read/write performance.
Bigger drives have higher TBW rating as well.
too bad apple ssd is overpriced by 400%
I'd say more memory is better than storage size.
I’ve been trying to watch less tech news. But this is genuinely helpful. I’ve been considering whether to switch my workflow to working on internal SSD or keep using externals. Obviously price is an issue, but it is good to know that even copying a couple hundred gigs at a time a couple times a week won’t likely burn through a 2 TB internal SSD
Seems like the battery would go first. And honestly with all the computers I buy and sell, the computer would realistically go first because I spend too much money on this stuff.
Why are you watching lees tech news? I’m curious so thank you if you respond
@@richard6812 most I spend too much money. A lot of my tech works just fine but watching so much news I get excited about things I don’t really need and then feel bad about what I have
My 2015 MBP with 500GB just died. Rest of hardware is fine. Installed a spare 256GB and it booted fine.
The bigger the storage, the longer your SSD will last. Good to know
Saying "Make sure i watch til the end", is the best way to make sure i won't
Very informative video
Hope you reach 1 million.
How about moving your home directory to an external SSD and use the internal SSD only for the OS and apps? Would that degrade the performance, especially in video editing and motion graphics?
Yeah if you deal with 100GB video projects every single day I would consider getting a fast external. I wouldn't move the home directory though... that could cause headaches. Just create new project folders on the SSD.
Such a comprehensive video, amazing
If the ssd fails in your MacBook Pro, you can install MacOS in an external hard drive or external solid state drive. As this operating system let you boot from an external source in which it will give access to the MacBook Pro and you won't have to throw it away or spend a lot of money getting it repaired. I would recommend getting a nvme drive with a usb c enclosure. This is because you will benefit from the fast read and write speeds.
Then glue it on top and bam we good
@@Jennifer-cg5ih wait till you're battery says >
@@Jennifer-cg5ih yes Jennifer exactly I was thinking 🤣🤣 jk no on the side I don’t want the MacBook looking like poop o
all os do the same win or Linux
Lol….. who said Apple is going to allow that on their M1 laptops!?
I really like this type of informative videos, nice work!!
My 2017 MBP 13" 128GB has a dead SSD unfortunately - and considering its age, that's pretty alarming. I did however take it to an Apple Service Centre who have claimed that they will replace it if possible (for a hefty price ofcourse). Upon deeper research, it seems that a particular series of MBPs from 2017 had been recalled for faulty SSDs - anyone know anything about this?
Tbh that it was a pretty disastrous period of Mac-computing presented by Apple. Not only the key-switches, also the top-case, and SSD's have not the best performance numbers in consumer enjoyment time I'd say.
Yes, there was a free repair program for units affected.
@@MehOccor he said he had to pay a hefty price
@@ko-Daegu And then he asked if anyone knows anything about recall program for faulty SSDs. Mind your own business.
@@MehOccor you are dumb or trolling which one ?
he said he paid and you gonna say you will get it for free are ya an idiot
It will last as long as it lasts. And if it should fail, I have everything backed up using Time Machine. And I can still use the Macbook I would just need to attach a Thunderbolt drive to it. Yes, having a TB drive attached isn't quite as convenient as an internal drive but it still works. Frankly I think most people are worrying over nothing. I have some very old SSDs and so far I haven't had one die yet. One of them is in a 16 year old laptop (the SSD isn't original, it's about 10 years old).
Also, there are people out there who can replace both memory and SSDs on Macbook motherboards. All it requires is to be good with flux and a soldering iron. Some of them have videos on TH-cam. Whether it's cost-effective or not is up to the individual to decide.
Great video pal 🔥🔥🔥
Not only your video is informative but also helps me sleep better with that slow narration lol
Please do aware that Apple is using multiple NAND chip to achieve SSD's total capacity; 256GB capacity use 2x128GB NAND chip while 1TB capacity use 8x128GB NAND chip. So, each 128GB NAND chip have around 75TBW each. Failure to 1 NAND chip will make Macbook unusable.
This explanation gives me peace of mind, knowing my MBP 16" 2021's ssd will last a long time (hopefully).
New sub here. Excellent content and very thorough and understandable. Thanks
Who have m1 air with 16gb/512ssd ? Or 8gb/256ssd..... Can u tell appfoximately how many GB your are using per day?
Thanks for the video, there is a lot of fear mongering going on.
Awesome content and cover almost each point what a viewer can imaging to ask u which watching this video.
Don't use the SSD for file swapping. That cycles the SSD too much. Make sure you have enough RAM. That will protect your SSD
Apple should, but probably won’t, offer an exchange program for dead SSDs. Get a “remanufactured” exchange program. They would get so much credit for reducing electronic waste.
depends on how much data you write to it. could be anywhere between 2 years to over 150 years. MacBooks are for light to moderate work loads.
Wow, I was just doing research on this yesterday!. As I was debating on picking up an external 4TB Sandisk Extreme or the MacBook Pro 4TB upgrade!. Very good.
I have the Sandisk extreme 4TB + MacBook Pro 1TB. I originally opted for the 4TB MacBook Pro, but backed down. The Sandisk is the workhorse 100% of the time.
@@Hovscorpion12 Yeah, very tempting for sure!. Usable for outside of the laptop (Desktop), plus it keeps the wear out of the laptop… I might go that route. Having to carry it though… Ahh.
@@omarfmercado yeah it’s a bih to carry, but since their soo small, I just keep in a small compartment in by bag or in my back pocket.
Really good video!
They last quite a while. My Macbook Air from 2011 still functions perfectly today.
This was really informative, thank you for this!!
Yeah, Really Informative.
this made me happy I opted for the 1TB for my MacBook Air M1. I know I'm gonna be able to get many years out of it. Considering I got 7 years out of my 2009 MacBook.
I’m so glad I can keep my M1 air for many years.
great video... very infomative and easy to understand
With how expensive the upgrades in storage are, I would hope they would be using some of the highest quality storage, with high TBWs
yes they do. Do they overcharge them SSDs? Probably.
Thanks a lot for your video. I avoid using my M1 to download videos or big data into the hard drive "I mean SSD". I work from the external drive or USB memory instead. you're right while bigger the SSD would have a bigger TBW capacity. By the way, do you think it is the same degradation process in the Ipads with the M1 chip?
What a nice video, man. ❤
Did i miss it? What type of NANDs are installed in the macbooks e. g. MBA M1 SLC, MLC, TLC or QLC? I think thats the most important question. And of do the NAND chips fail first or the controller chips?
Very informative content. Much appreciated!!
Amazing information, I will stick with the 512GB I've ordered thank you!
This was very useful. Thank you!
This info is so valuable. Thanks.. I give you my like and subs.
My 256GB SSD failed on my 2014 MacBook Pro in 2019 after 5 years of use. This was frustrating enough as I had to buy an old SSD as the port is not standard on macs, I am not looking forward to my SSD failing on my M1 MacBook Pro :( - I had it for a year, I guess 4 years left!
If I buy a laptop I definitely expect more than 5 years of use.
@@shaggyrogers331 OWC does not (and cannot) sell M1 SSDs as those are integrated into the M1 chip.
@@AR-rg2en Same.
@@shaggyrogers331 Indeed. You are correct. One of the last few models that had removable SSDs sadly. :/
Where is the link that you said you would put below for us to check our ssd. You have not posted anywhere. Please do so, thanks.
Thanks for the great info. Was confused with all the swap used data written news. Most importantly is to stop worrying so much and just use it.
Because of NAND soldered SSDs I will certainly buy no new laptops anymore. Only CHEAP devices for me now because I see no reason to throw away a 1000 USD device away just because a 20 USD component just died in it. That brings the value of the device down A LOT even if the other components are beyond amazing.
Nice video, I've been looking for it and really want to know. Thank you
This can be the best video you ever made.
My TBW for MacBook Air M1 256GB model is 450TB. It's 1 year and 3 months old
how is it now? still work? what is TBW right now? I just bought an second hand macbook air m1 which last owner used for a year. a problem is it already reach 213 TB
@@techboung Shouldn’t be worried much, the guy did 450TB no issues 😂
Congratulations for this video!
Would you recommend 1TB internal or suggest to get the 2TB for better futureproofing? I'm trying to figure out whether to do that or just use external SSDs.
If you use external SSDs often, get 2TB internal. I got 4TB on my M1 Max and I've never had to use an SSD while editing, it's so much better than having to carry around an SSD all the time.
@@CreatedTech True - I would love the 4TB, but it's just justifying that extra cost :P
A higher capacity SSD will typically have a higher endurance rating simply because there are more available cells to write to. Using the paper analogy, if you have a large piece of paper, you would have to erase and write over less in order to record the same amount of information than you would if you had a smaller piece of paper. So when it comes to SSD wear, a higher capacity drive will typically fare better. You are correct.
this was so damn helpful!! thank you !
Very informative video. Thanks 👍
Apple should bring back with the next model a M.2 ssd slot. There is room to do that. I think is stupid to integrate it in the logicboard. That is a part that need to be replaced once in a while.
M1 Macbooks look great but reality is ssd's can and do fail and it has happened to me in older ones with removable drives. Wouldn't mind if Apple has a proprietary removable drive at least one could replace a failed drive instead of the entire logic board.
Can you please link the video you talked about in the video saying,"How to check the bytes written"? Thank you!
I actually haven't made it yet haha...give me about 2 days, it's my next video.
@@CreatedTech Sure! Looking forward to that!🌟
This is the main issue keeping me away from modern Mac’s. 2020 loaded intel MacBook Pro and the ssd began throwing corruption errors until finally becoming unusable. All that on top of exorbitant storage prices for slower speeds and the same capacities. Even with the nicer chips they just don’t make sense anymore
MacBook Air 2011 128GB, SSD ok after using everyday. Still have thousand of unused wear leveling blocks. Memory management is so great that endurance is so much enlarged, around 15-20 years at least for most users. I think you would experience limitations on CPU. or RAM before the SSD dies. Careful with bugs! If some app or OS version is wrongly implemented, it may write and erase the memory so much times that may kill it before you think. For me, SSD lifespan is not a problem at least on Mac computers.
it is running Steve Job's Mac OS, not Tim Cook's..
Great video that really puts things into perspective.
Does partitioning of drive help?
Chances are the modules are from samsung since they make most of the modules for apple in general.
I have a very important question and many people might have it as well. Will I be able to boot my M1 mac from external SSD or not if my internal SSD dies? I read somewhere that it is impossible. But I am not sure if that's article is true or not. Please reply and help me out in this regard. Thanks
Hey I was wondering if the Swap memory can do some significant "damage" to these estimates, or are they still an absurd number?
Very helpful. Thanks
"The truth is you don't need to worry about it" That line just reminds me of every single unhelpful Apple support thread where the support says "just enjoy your device, don't worry about it!" lol
11:09 WindowServer process: "50GB per day, you say? leave it to me. heck! I'll do 200GB"
Hi, you didn't leave the link or put it in the top right corner, to the video that shows how much data has been written to the SSD ? Edit: not to worry, I found it under utilities>activity monitor>disk. My 40 day old M1 Pro 16" has only written 63 GB....and I use it every day. Guess I don't need to worry about it dying. Edit: Okay seems like this number resets every time the MBP is rebooted
use smarctl function to find out. My m1 air accrued 120tbw in 12 months due to memory leak issues on MacOS.
@@zhandoszhanserikov5920that would alredy take almost half of my 320tbw 1tb ssd.
Problem is burning Texas Instrument DC/DC chip and after a NAND memory.This can happen even the next day after the warranty expires.
Useful video thanks.
Great video! Thanks!
Planning to buy macbook pro 14 inch base model for web browsing , watching TH-cam and doing work on Ms office and no video editing or rendering at all. So wanted to ask that will 16 gb ram be enough as I intend to use the laptop for 4-5 years.
Quick question. Does this also affect phones. If i were to write and delete alot of data everyday on my phone storage can it die? On 128gb storage
Very informative. Thanks
Somehow some way, my 1 year old M1 MacBook Pro has 43TB TBW currently. That’s about 112GB a day on average… most likely because of the way it uses swap memory because of its limited RAM capacity of 8GB.
Yep. I love how a lot of these videos say something along the lines of "even with 50GB per day which is a lot, your SSD will last years" while I look at others who are reporting 100+ GB per day. That's what mine was doing before I returned it.
My 256G M1 mac got 1.1TB writes in 10 days.
@@dreamcode4204 Yikes. Is that with heavy use?
@@spareroomtech Yes. For coding, VMs, Servers, SDK, software buildings. But who is gonna use a laptop for 10 years? 3-4 years I will replace it with another one. The most thing i don't like Apple is that they soilder chips on logic boards and you hardly be able to upgrade it. I will contact some engineers to upgrade my M1 from 8GB to 16GB. But 16G isn't a lot. My i9 9900K hackintosh has 64GB of RAM, which almost can do everything.
@@dreamcode4204if thats a 320tbw ssd that will last a year.
I was genuinely concerned that things like cache writes and spotlight would burn out my SSD. Now I know that's unlikely. At the tested rating I could fill and erase my Crucial SSD every single day for over a decade before having to worry.
I’ve had my MacBook Pro sinne 2013 and my ssd in that comouter has not died yet. The ssd:s ar even better today so you dont need to worry. You probably want to change to a new computer before it is worn out 🙂
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Can you do a comparison between the father of laptops MSI GE76 Raider with Intel i9 12900hk and RTX 3080 To and the MacBook Pro with M1 max
Does the Mac do the wear leveling automatically?
The controller on the SSD does.
Can I render video in external memory?🤔 (After Effects and Premiere)
yes
@@TheInchiiafter effects caches on ssd so best to buy ssd with 600tbw or greater
My early 2014 MacBook Air is still doing fine.