Many people have mentioned that I didn't include the new AMD laptops in my comparisons. My bad! Here are my thoughts: Even though Renoir laptops provide a really good value, I'm yet to see an x86 laptop that balances performance, noise, size and battery life as well as the M1 Macbook Air does. Sure, you can get an AMD laptop like Acer Swift 3 or Lenovo Ideapad 14 with a Ryzen 5700U or 5800U for a similar price (or sometimes even cheaper), and the performance will be better than the M1, but that's not something I can say about battery life (real-life numbers, not manufacturers' claims), build quality or noise - all of these factors are really important for me personally. With my workflow, I would also have to run Windows on those laptops - since Linux does not support the software that I need and you can't run Hackintosh on an AMD APU. As mentioned in the video, I don't like running Windows on my daily driver laptop, since I find the experience subpar. That being said, if you run Linux or Windows, Renoir and Cezanne laptops are a great choice.
have you not noticed garbage scrolling on safari, on simple pages like TH-cam, or amazon, this seems to be a Big Sur issue, as any version of Mac OS before it is buttery smooth on safari, let me know your thoughts on that
@@henriquemiranda5748 just checked youre right but I rarely use safari, I use Chrome...mine is MBP 2019 Catalina its probably how Safari is built on it... but I hear consistently is Safari on Mac is mostly recommended if you want to save battery life
I think that we can all come to the same conclusion that the vast majority of megacorps don't give a fuck about us personally, so starting wars over which device is superior is simply a waste of time.
I just view it as fun lol. I enjoy comparing and understanding the relative merits of and design philosophies behind different tools, like laptops and programming languages
Some things are objectively *inferior* though, such as the same hardware being 3x more expensive and so locked down that it may as well be an *actual* jail ...
@@3nertia if cost is your own concern, you wouldn’t like macs even if it’s open source. You just have a religious affiliation to price to performance ratio. You don’t really care about performance/watt for mobile devices
M1 macs are a very good product in terms of battery efficiency and performance. I hope this machine will stay relevant and last you for years without a need to upgrade.
I personally have an M2 MacBook Air and gotta say, that thing has the performance exceeding my Ryzen 7 3700X PC in terms of single-core tasks which as a web dev are the main priority for me. And before you start asking me why M2 and not the cheaper M1 here's the reason - M2's efficiency cores are literally twice as fast as in the M1 and I simply use power-saving mode outside the docking station all the time.
i’ve had a 2010 and 2015 mbp. both (intel core) have already been superior to everything else on the market back then. especially regarding efficiency due to the optimized os. people need to realize that macs would just be pretty things w/o the os. but they don’t. they recommend “linux on the laptop”. laughable.
I was on the Mac hate train for the longest time, and my experience with the first gen M1 MBA didn’t help (fell victim to the random screen crack issue). Decided to give the 14” M1 pro MBP a try and I absolutely love it. The fact that a good chunk of my Linux knowledge applies to MacOS is a godsend even tho there’s a lot of things I find myself missing. The most shocking thing for me is the fact that the few of my games it does support (which happen to be the ones I play the most) run almost as well as on my 3070 Legion 5 which was priced almost exactly the same.
@@zethcubegamer5275 FFXIV, Subnautica, OSRS, and a few others I can’t remember off the top of my head. Steam has a filter for Mac compatible games the same way Linux does
@@zethcubegamer5275 adding to the list by @AlibifortheAfterlife: Slay the Spire, CSGO 2, DOTA 2, Hades and others running through Wine, so there is choice
good thing that we have a company like framework that have followed through on their promise for a repairable and upgradable laptop. Hope they have more success. However the performance of the apple chips does make it hard to switch.
Framework wont last long. All that upgradability is recipe for disaster. Those soldered ram modules and memory sticks are for a reason. I have seen folks permanantly damage memory slots due to incorrectly seated module, smoke coming from contacts of M2 drive which was put in a laptop without powering it down correctly. Etc. So the more removable contact points you have on a system, the higher the chances for failure. Also it comes down to system and bios compatibility. You cant shoehorn ddr4 ram if the entire processor, motherboard and subsystems dont recognise DDR4. So a time will come when the framework laptop hits its upper limit of upgradeability like the old thinkpad showcased at the beginning of the video.
@@roidlsebastian Because its cheap and designed to fail anyways after about 3 yrs. I own laptops like that. Failed a month after warranty expired and repair cost 50% of new laptop cost. I have two here I can gift someone - not that they are of any use.
@@anandmehta2323 If that's the case, we should just throw anyway custom desktops then. Have no prebuilts, have no desktops, just go all in completely soldered. Your point of framework products failing because of their upgradability is extremely flawed. The reason why soldered laptops are popular is because it's much cheaper to produce compared to having everything modular. It's much cheaper to have one factory building everything all in one go than to have multiple for different modules. Also laptops are an all in one package so for many manufacturers, it really doesn't make sense to make everything modular. Lenovo saw that not many are upgrading their cpus so they just remove that upgradability path. They did not remove it because it cause harm. They also didn't have a real plan on how to deal with excess CPU modules nor do they build their products on complete modularity. Framework, on the other hand, has a plan for extra CPU modules and built their laptops from the ground up with sustainability and modularity in mind so the two companies can't really be compared equally. As for upgrading ram and other components, I never seen anyone break their laptop from upgrading. If a person is upgrading their laptops, they already have some knowledge of computing and probably already know and researched their laptop. If not, that's really on them but that doesn't mean the product is a flop. Even then, upgrading or replacing any component on framework's laptop is easier compared to other modular laptops. Each component in framework's laptops has labels and qr codes pointing to instructions online.
Pragmatism would include all factors about the company Apple and why one shouldn't buy any product from them - unless one has sociopath and evil intentions.
@@oo--7714 Google for sure isn't any 'good'. But no other enterprise does intentionally and openly build products with planned obsolescence, integrated chips to actively prevent repairs and then is trying to abuse jurisdiction to even forbid repairs. And this is only on top of all the 'usual' stuff that hugee enterprises do. Not even to speak of what they did to the world, by introducing bullshit technologies that is proven to make humans stupid, like smartphones, technology that's build by pure visual desing criteria instead of quality and resource conservation, like their instant death too thin notebooks, their tight relations to Foxconn where suicide is normal like lunch because of terrible working conditions, them stealing more ideas then any other enterprise ever and selling these idead as their own, breeding generations of brainless zombies that don't even have an idea of what making own decisions based on facts means and instead just always stay with Apple without any logical reasoning, selling them actual crap (watch Louis Rossman..) for insanly exaggerated prices and dozens of issues more. Crapple IS the dark empire. And so it's all about completely avoiding shit where it's possible and chosing the lessr evil where it's not possible.
@@oo--7714 Google let's you repair your own device, lock and relock your bootloader, modify the OS (or replace it entirely) and sideload applications I'd say that's just a tad better
I'm literally waiting for mainstream vendors to finally offer an ARM-based, or even better, RISC-V, laptop with decent specs. Same for desktop mainboards.
If MS doesn't fumble Windows 11's ARM version and they lead the way with a competitive Surface laptop, I can see other vendors following the trend for fear of being left behind. They just need a real equivalent to Rosetta to allow a user to run x86 software without excessive pain. Once those ARM laptops are out there, it's just a matter of the Linux community doing their thing.
@@liamsweeney4754 Yep, so, is it that a problem? A Linux user like me is not always here for the philosophy, but there's a tech component that MacOS also has
Prior to M1 there was nothing I liked about Apple computers. Intel Macs were an absolute joke with a reputation for being slow, undercooled, overpriced devices. I hated their OS, products, ecosystem, and ethics. M1 was a big step in the right direction. Excellent battery life, functional standby, and actually viable price/performance. Even I considered buying an M1 Mac Mini for video editing since nothing could really compare at the time. Still hate Apple overall, but at least their Macbooks are genuinely nice computers now.
Curiously, many of the comments here from users switching from Linux to MacOS, who are complaining about "jankiness" and the need for "user intervention" on Linux, appear to be people using Archlinux on their main desktops in production environments.
I have about 15 (older) thinkpads and love each and every one of them - but my daily driver has been a macbook air M1 since last December. You gotta be realistic about these things - and recognize a revolution when you see one. I even made my own pascal compiler that compiles natively to M1 ARM assembly language. Even though I do enjoy the past (my x41, x61, x220 etc) - I really appreciate living in the future! Thanks for having made this video =)
well, sure. Right now, M1 runs fast. That's not because apple is somehow revolutionary or anything - it's simply that Apple ported their OS to ARM first. Give it a few more years, and all laptops will be ARM, and then apple will be one of the ones with worse hardware again.
@@iFireender It wont happen in a few more years, there's just too many programs and gaming that are done exclusively on x86_64, it will take more than a decade
@@tuxthedev3470 luckily, programs that require high amounts of resources usually are newer programs. Newer programs (mostly, and really should) have well-controlled codebases. Most languages have well-defined cross compilation possibilities. You can easily emulate a decades old x86 program on an ARM machine - those usually don't even begin to use up the capabilities of modern computers. As for other programs? You basically just need to cross-compile, if even. I assume we're going to see a true 50/50 split, where there's both ARM and x86 machines, performing similarly, arm slightly better, x86 being more legacy compatible, in 3-4 years, and in around 10 years we'll be entirely switched to ARM and/or RISCV.
I like your arguments regarding the M1 Mackbook and for the longest time, I owned the 13" Macbook as my daily driver. I am now running the Thinkpad T470s. I can open it up in 5 minutes and swap out the NVME drive and swithc operating systems based on my work needs - Ubuntu, Fedora, Manjaro and yes even windows. I wish Apple would go back to the days when you could swap out components for people who care to do such things. I know that some day you will be able to run linux on them but not swap our drives with having to resort to dual boots etc.
I feel this so much. I basically share all of your sentiments towards the mac!! Also “Companies are not your friend” and “If you vote with your dollar, people with more dollar have more votes” are so very true. Basically why I consider myself more of “Apple’s Hostage” than “Apple Fan”
First time I heard the term Apple hostage 😅 As a mobile developer (Android) I'm in a similar position... Every project I join in every company I end up with a MacBook so both iOS and Android team match in equipment 🤡
Apple hostage is such an appropriate term. I am far from a fanboy, and I hate that I love the ecosystem. To their credit, if anyone else replicated Apple’s ecosystem, they’d probably end up implementing nearly identical practices.
Hostage and victim of Apple. Yeah and No company is your friend, true friends doesn’t require you vote them by your money; the true friend need your care and help
It's ironic. I never thought of it that way but I've been a "Windows Hostage" since the late 90s. If you play video games at all, you should already know everything you'd ever want about why. Sure, more and more people are breaking free thanks to what Steam has done. However, there are people like me who are still tied down by the games that still don't work on anything other than Windows. I've never called myself a Windows fan but, up until a couple years ago, it was the only OS to stay on any of my PCs for longer than a few months. Well, technically, pfSense broke that record some time back but I don't really count it since it's more of an appliance than a desktop or server.
A reasonable and logical take, I have to admit the M1 silicon is super nice. I obviously agree with everything you said about Apple, I don't think the problem is their hardware per say, because right now its really good, the problem is their attitude towards letting their users actually own it. Once the community has gotten a surefire and reliable way to throw Linux on it, I might buy one myself.
@@aspectxyz How's the battery life of linux on m1? I have a MBA m2 and really frustrated about OSX. I just find Asahi to be a little bit incomplete at this point.
@@adonespitogonaif I use all the major three - Windows on a PC, Linux on RPI4 server and MacOS on my M2 MacBook and I would never trade MacOS for linux. Why is that? Because every time you need to actually do some work on it, something randomly breaks and then I have to spend 2 hours just on fixing it. MacOS just gets out of the way completely and you do you...
@@stellarorbit1341 It's not that straightforward. Battery life depends entirely on what hardware and software is running on your machine. The battery life on my ARM-based Pixel 4a phone doubled overnight just because I installed a custom LineageOS on it and stopped running any Google apps on it, many of which were constantly running in the background. In order to make that statement true, you'd need to look at the power consumption of all the hardware in the device - that will then give you an indication of battery drain.
@@n7ghtmareee What does that have to do with it? So a modern laptop battery doesn't drain faster the more wattage that you draw from it? Did you do electrical theory in school? Did you even go to school?
@@plica06 He's being ironic. Linus isn't a fanboy. He can be annoying and a hardass, but he's not a fanboy of anything... except spending money on D.I.Y.ing his house with tech.
@plica06 Linus has a history of dissing Apple, he called the Apple Silicon presentation "a slow dumpster fire", said that the performance claims were exaggerated, and since Apple didn't present any real benchmarks, the real-world performance would likely be subpar and the first generation of M1 Macbooks would be swept under the rug like the first Apple Watch.
@@WolfgangsChannel A lot of viewers saw it that way, but Linus clarified in his podcast (WAN show) that week that he hated how little information they had in presentation, not the product itself. In any case, he definitely gave it the praise it deserved when it came out!
I appreciate that you acknowledge the issues regarding upgrading & repair when it comes to MacBooks. As for me I'm quite happy with my Framework laptop!
Nice video dude. It's evident you really spent some time balancing out your arguments and position here in order to not upset any side too much. I hope people will be able to see that you kept an open mind about this.
He's got the same mental process as I do. It's cool to have a free software laptop, but even Windows is a beast nowadays, not to mention the engineering behind the MacBook. Now I have an HP Pavilion laptop with a broken keyboard. It's not that the keyboard is soldered, but if you want a new one, you have to tear the whole laptop apart and spend 20% of the laptop price in that part. So, I made my math and buying a new MacBook Air second generation is a way better option than upgrading and suffering this 2019 laptop. The only two things I'd miss is Windows and Linux... but for that I have this crippled laptop.
The reason why I stopped using MacOs as a developer - docker is virtualized and slow as fuck. Jumped to Linux, docker is running native and is lighting fast. No matter how good are the CPUs they put in Macbooks, the virtualization just kills any benefits. If your main task is video editing, then yeah - I see the benefits.
You might want to take a look at this: medium.com/carvago-development/my-docker-on-macos-part-1-setup-ubuntu-virtual-machine-both-intel-and-apple-silicon-cpu-5d886af0ebba Not sure if it's still relevant.
Technically speaking, docker containers ARE linux containers. Nobody wants to have a pure MacOS/Windows/etc. docker container with all the non-linux libraries, running Mach-O/PE binaries inside, it doesn't make any sense. So in any case docker on a non-linux platform will be a sort of emulator of a linux kernel or a virtual machine running the real linux kernel. No doubts, if you develop for linux it's best to do on linux.
If you are a sysadmin/devops, using Linux is optimal. If you are a webdev with some need for graphical applications, maybe Mac is the best (or you need to be some kind of GIMP/Inkscape master). Videoediting? Yeah, without Adobe apps Linux is pretty much bad at this. Also, I don't use Mac because their 5 year support is absolutely ridiculous. If your machine is above 5yo you need to basically turn your Mac into a Hackintosh for a machine that works fine, and you will need to buy the next new thing apple launched for $1000+. No, thanks.
@@dvmavgoor I think Davis meant that the Docker is running with x86 emulation, not on the native ARM64 emulation. So it's basically emulation inside of an emulation, which makes things slower.
@@WolfgangsChannel That's even worse, I agree. But I feel it's not fair to blame OS X that it's incapable of running x86 Linux binaries on its ARM64 hardware without any slowness.
Nice video. I'm a software developer and an apple user, a windows user, and a linux user. They all have strengths and weaknesses. I prefer using mac for my personal laptop because I have an iphone. Being dogmatic about what machine you like to use is great, being dogmatic about what other people should use is completely stupid. While you presented a lot of good evidence to back up your purchase, the irony that you had to make a 20 minute video supporting your own choice to a community that has built its identity around their choice of computer is pretty evident. It felt like you were very intent on convincing this group of people that this was an ok decision for you to have made. At the end of the day all computers are computers and are there to help you accomplish stuff, which they all do. Until anyone else is paying for your computer, fuck em and what they think.
After 1 year: Did you cool down?! Hats his honest opinion from his personal experience which matches the experiences most of unbiased human with nice grateful and cool nature. He didn’t force anything on anybody. It’s your choice to watch his TH-cam video and take it personally! Sheesh, this internet is really getting filled with teens and polar dumb heads! I’ve been coding compilers, assemblers and AI under DOS decades before you were born, or even before your inception! And honestly, the Apple Silicon is a once in a lifetime revolution only hardcore techies (and unbiased users) would really understand and appreciate. That’s my personal experience and opinion, don’t take it personally again, nobody is pushing anything under your throat, if you keep your mouth shut and LEARN from other people instead of being closed minded.
I understand where you are coming from. As an ex-Linux user, I have moved to Apple ecosystem in 2022. MacbookAir for portable device, Mac Studio as desktop, iPhone as communication device, Airpod for headphone. The amount of convenience & continuity among devices is staggering. Yes, it is pricey but I can pay money for convenience and I did that. I am getting older and I don't find love/excitement for tweaking of electronic devices anymore.
I’m stuck with a Chromebook that my father’s work gave away, I absolutely hate it. The OS is unreliable and if the browser crashes, the entire desktop goes down along with it, the user account or system automatically resets itself if it detects a tiny problem unless the user account has a good TPM, and it deletes files without consent due to low storage, used the Linux container a bit but couldn’t do much due to CPU, 4 GB RAM, and overheating. The Android VM is bull, as they purposely prevent APK file installation and force you to go get the google play store, and as an iOS user that pays for iCloud and owns an Apple Watch, the Chromebook is pressuring me into paying for Google Drive and buying a Google Pixel and worshipping Google instead.
One thing I loved about ThinkPads is the security features that come with the bios, like disabling the webcam, USB ports, and wifi, setting passwords on either power-up or only when accessing the bios, in other words, you can make it secure enough to eliminate insider threats without compromising availability. I would totally buy a ThinkPad if I had the chance again.
I got mine in March, -Never used MacOS nor touched a MacBook (had the two handed mouse pad habit). -Out of all “high performance” slim & light laptops I researched, the M1 MBP stood out in benchmarks and price -The charger is small & light -I even had a fricking authorized seller around the block from where I live
Just a small correction: the ram is not 4266 “MHz”, it is 4266 MT/s (Mega Transfers per second) and 2133 MHz, DDR means Double Data Rate. The frequency is based on the clock cycle time, the transfer rate in DDR memory is double the frequency.
I did some googling and it turns out that both 4266 and 2133 values can be referred to as either MTs or Mhz. In both cases the memory operates at dual channel if there are two modules with equal capacity, so the comparison is correct - 4266 Mhz in the M1 Macbooks is 2x faster than 2133Mhz in the DDR3 laptops.
@@WolfgangsChannel That is a common mistake, but dual channel memory doesn’t change the frequency. DDR memory sends two signals in a single clock cycle by assigning value on both the rising and falling edges of the clock signal. There is also something called QDR which sends four transfers per cycle. You can have one chip that sends one signal per cycle, one DDR chip that sends two signals per cycle, and one chip that sends four signals per cycle. If these three chips have the same frequency of, say 1333MHz, the first chip will also be 1333MT/s, but the DDR chip with the same frequency will carry 2666MT/s, and the QDR chip will have 5333MT/s. To my knowledge, there are no DDR4 memory chips on the market that are validated to operate at 4266MHz, as these high frequencies cause stability issues. The other interesting thing that makes the difference between frequency and transfer rate interesting is latency. A DDR4 chip with 2133MHz (4266MT/s) will have twice the latency of a single transfer per cycle chip with a 4266 MHz (4266MT/s) while having the same data transfer rates.
One of the features of LPDDR4X was increased frequency - that's why those chips can reach 4266 MT/s whereas desktop DDR4 chips usually only manage around 3600-4000 MTs www.anandtech.com/show/11021/sk-hynix-announces-8-gb-lpddr4x4266-dram-packages There are plenty of desktop chips that can do 4266 MT/s though: www.amazon.com/s?k=ddr4+4266&ref=nb_sb_noss_2 All I'm trying to say is - the DDR3 RAM in the video is actually 1066 Mhz, but runs at 2133 MT/s when it works in the dual channel mode (two sticks of RAM). The LPDDRX4 RAM in the Macbooks is actually 2133 Mhz, but runs at 4266 MT/s in dual channel configuration. It might not be exactly two times faster due to higher timings and other factors, but the point still stands.
Love my M2 pro. It was my first MacOS machine. I had everything else except for the Mac. It integrates with all of my other apple products seamlessly and best of all the dang thing just works 100% of the time for me. Battery life and no fan noise is a plus too! As far as ports ago I agree that the ports on the Air are lacking. But the Pro gives usbc, HDMI, 3.5mm audio jack, and an SD card slot
On point. Long time Linux user ( I used Arch btw ) and bought the M1 Air with 16Gb. As a Web Developer it has everything I need including the soyboy software I need for work. Also, M1 is hella fast and battery life is just muah.
I mean you can do web Dev on almost anything, it really comes down to battery life. That being said as another web Dev I just really don't like the OS, its poorly build, the app store is useless and the restrictions that apple puts on all their shit is annoying. I shouldn't spend 1 hour looking up how to install STS cause Mac doesn't like the binary, is stupid as fuck.
@@killmeh2 I usually work with figma, gimp, krita and inkscape and that's usually fine for most things, but I'm a coder on most projects and from my perspective Linux fits me better. I get that people like using Mac for design or video editing projects but I rather just switch to Windows if I really need those, its cheaper and faster.
My mind's been out of the hellscape that is 2018 /g/ for a while now. Who the fuck cares, use what's best for you, the only people judging you are not worth being around (aka /g/ users)
@Lightning Hydra I work at an AASP, I would personally never buy a new Mac due to the bullshittery I've seen from Apple. I do really like macOS, so if I had more money and was able to piss away hundreds at a time without it hurting then maybe I would use one. But they cost an unnecessary amount of money to own and repair.
For laptops, the future is ARM. Apple's M1 was a long needed market renovation and the lack of support for Linux was a consequence. The main roadmap must be Linux supporting new Qualcomm (and others ARMs) chips faster to be competitive from day one.
Whose future? And why? I've been building and programming computers for almost 40 years now, I see no intrinsic problem with current laptop design, provided you buy one of good enough quality.
@@gmdrandom6287 Yes, I made this specific account reasonably recently. Perhaps 40 years in computers has taught me a lot about privacy and anonymity? Maybe I don't just use one account?
The best computer is the one that works for you. And since so many people use computers these days it´s just logical that people use different computers and companies offer different computers with different specs.
I've been using an M1 Macbook Air the past few days and have to say they are amazing machines. I already have a good AMD Thinkpad (T14s) but the M1 Macbook Air is such a pleasure to use that I think I may just sell the Thinkpad
@@SjarMenace if I am a coder or a content creator, designer, artist, etc, yes indeed, that would be crazy, but I am just a finance guy who rely heavily on MS office, which is superior to any other office apps. although there is a mac version of MS office, but it has limited features.
Damn...This is what I call a quality TH-cam video. You covered so many different perspectives and gave such a comprehensive viewpoint. For a minute I forgot that I was watching a TH-cam video and it felt like a well crafted documentary. All the points you covered so effortlessly must've surely taken hours/days of research and planning. Thank You for that. I'm liking the video immediately. Hope to see more quality videos from you! If you could maybe some vids about doing development on m1 macs would be nice. Thanks again man!
For the past 18months, my daily has been a 2nd gen X1 Extreme - i'm an above average sized person and 14" or lower notebooks couldn't really cut it for me (apple, thinkpad or otherwise). Was actually considering getting a 16" M1 MBP as a replacement - the thing is, those are ridiculously expensive, like meme levels expensive - if i was to get a roughly comparable configuration (32Gb of ram, 1-2Tb nvme drive, decent screen etc). Even if i could tank the price abyss, the lack of ports not so sure - pretty much all of the ports on my X1E and there are a few there, are occupied. Furthermore, only thing i can't swap on the thinkpad is the cpu - ram, storage, network card are all replaceable. Apple price premium is still hard to digest. Nice review Wolfgang, people don't seem to realize everyone buys items tailored to their own making.
Quality content! Got me one as well in January, after being super disappointed by an Air in 2012 and using Thinkpads for years. Apple really improved big league!
Repairability is what worries me, especially for the battery. I don't want to have to upgrade after 2-3 years because apple doesn't want me to change the battery when they don't exist in my country. Or maybe down the line when the stop supporting my macbook, though I am not well-informed about the how they treat legacy devices.
The battery is always the one thing that will be easy to replace, and being that it’s such a mass market product, you’ll always be able to find plenty of spares on eBay. Otherwise, it’s just a few screws on the bottom and you’re in. Aside from soldered storage and RAM, it’s basically the same repairability as all other laptops. Microsoft’s surface line is actually the worst here, because for some dumb reason they glue all of them shut, and Microsoft itself doesn’t even attempt to repair them, they just replace completely, incredibly wasteful and I don’t know why they don’t get more flak for that . Since the device is so solid state though, it’s actually kind of reliable by design, since there’s no moving parts that should fail. (Like the CPU fan) Can’t speak for M1 yet but historically Apple has been quite good about supporting devices for well over 5 years, I don’t know if there are examples of shorter lifespan ones. Usually there’s also some software hack to keep updating it. With Windows 11 requiring TPM and throwing compatibility out the window for most devices that run Windows, I’m very curious how Microsoft is going to deal with it, because it’s a major compatibility step backwards for Windows, especially on the lower end.
Good for you because any pragmatic and thoughtful choice is a good choice. I've left at least a dozen of windows machines and a couple of macs behind and moved to Linux several years ago. Suits my current workflow and priorities better. You do you.
Linux desktop + MacbookPro14. This has been my combo for the last 3 years (since the release of M1 MBP). Nothing to complain about, if something doesn't work on Linux, it most certainly works on Mac and Steam works on Linux almost perfectly so I can even indulge in occasional gaming session.
"It turns out, that when you vote with your dollar, people who have more dollars get more votes" AMEN. This is a concept that even thinking mids fail to think about and digest. Got yourself a new subscriber -great analysis overall. :)
@@jeffersonmp4 well, 2 meanings: A) do you want something to change? if you are paying (more) for a product or a service, you got more/the power. So don't buy/support things/products that you don't think are good enough and (only) then the company would care enough. B) rich people ('people who have more dollars') are only 1 out of 100. And that 1% have half the wealth (50% instead of the 1%) of all the others combined. So, if we give power (by voting) to the 1%'s allies and 'friends' (if we value money that much as a mindset), then more power to the rich people. Rich people, have more dollars. If we vote by measuring values less than dollars, rich people have greater influence/are of greater importance/have more money. 1 vote = 1 person If 1 vote = 1 dollar... Or Having 1 house = 1 vote, Well then... some people have more 51% of the houses (dollars/shares/admiration points socially, etc), So, their opinion and their interests are of greater importance and influence. If 99% want to choose white, But 1% wants black, Then black it is. Always (got the 51%) So simple/silly examples. And the 99% trying to race and win in a field that they have no chance, thinking they're equal! --- Sorry for the long post, English isn't my native language. :) P.s. the 1% have grabbed more than twice the wealth that the rest off 99% got on the last 3 years...
As a Thinkpad user I agree with what you said in the video, the new macs are undoubtedly the best performing notebooks around, but still the inability to play the entirety of my steam library is too much of a drawback to switch to an M1 MacBook as of now.
And that right there is where Microsoft and Dedicated gpu hardware has people. Yes you can run many but not all or any of the top new games on Linux (at least not easily or without lots of tinkering). That’s why I still have a hand built PC next to me. Along with a gaming laptop (darn thing is way too heavy to be called a laptop). Both run Windows and Linux. The only reason they windows really is for some specific office work and games. Otherwise I’d be using Linux exclusively. An M2 (soon to be M3) MacBook solves most of one problem.
I was using Arch Linux as my main OS on my desktop and laptop for about 3 years. Recently I'm using a MacBook pro (M1) that I got from my new job, and I realize that I was missing a lot of creature comforts on Linux. The design coherence and overall polish is just so much better on macos. I'm still using Linux on my desktop, but now I notice how much jankier the experience is. Obviously I'm will still use Linux because it has many advantages, but now I appreciate macos more than I did previously.
what desktop environment do you use? you cannot really say linux has a janky experience when linux itself can run multiple completely different experiences haha...
@@a.Murder.Of.Crows. that's a fair point. Not because I was using Arch, but because I insisted on using a tiling WM because it's more "minimal." It was such a time suck to get that thing configured correctly, and yeah it was pretty cool but it had a lot of rough edges. I'm now using a stock Gnome instead and I personally like it a lot better, and I don't miss macos anymore.
Every desktop environment I’ve used has been janky on linux. It’s the same issue with android. You have thousands of good options but not a single great one.
From my perspective, this is a sensible assessment of the current market. I bought an Asus g14 shortly before the M1 macs came out, and although I'm quite pleased with the purchase (great linux support, decently upgrade-able, and able to run fanless with the dGPU disabled), I can see how anyone who isn't interested in gaming (or who's willing to wait while compatibility catches up) might end up with a mac.
yeah macos gaming has been dead ever since apple removed 32 bit support, and now the m1 was the final nail in the coffin haha theoretically, valve could have saved mac gaming at least partially by porting Proton to macos, however they have decided against it soo
It honestly makes me sad how good M1 is for being a first generation. Cuz apple ethics are not the best and they provide the best experience right now. And I fear how long it will be before everyone catches up.
I fail to see how they provide the best experience. I can buy a computer much cheaper than a M1 mac that also outperforms it. As for macOS, it is nothing i cannot replicate in linux. Apple is the ones who are catching up, but i do not think they ever will since they market their products as a luxury experience, so they get away with selling under powered hardware for lots of money.
I'd like to get a thinkpad or something and put linux on it but the M1 macs seem too good to pass up. What do you mean about apple's ethics? Why are their practices any worse than other companies?
@@5ystemError Apple is especially anti consumer, anti repair, anti competitive & monopolous etc. I don't think it's that apple is inherently more evil than any other company, but since they are so huge, they can utilize their position at the expense of the consumer & developers. If any other company was to become as huge as them, they would probably start doing the same, since they can. But what's so strange about apple is that even if they do something wrong, they seem to be immune to mass scrutiny. Apple sheep keep buying their shit & supporting their practices.
@@5ystemError every company wants profits and every company will go to extreme lengths for that. It's their market that forces them to make closed ecosystem. Closing ecosystem means having full control even if it is unethical
Nice overview of features on MacOS. I have been a linux user for over 20 years as my primary OS, Opensuse Tumbleweed being the choice of distro with KDE, currently on EliteBook 7840U/32GB/2TB Samsung 990 Pro. For gaming I have Windows PC (5600X/32GB/RTX 3080Ti, just for gaming. MacOS has many many basic features missing, but definitely really well optimised.
Probably the number one reason I am not going to buy an M1 Macbook or even those thin x86 laptops on the PC side of things is that the lack of a user-removable battery is a huge deal breaker. I use my laptop plugged in a lot and if I can't remove the battery it'll stop holding any charge within a year or two at most.
Hey man, thank you for the video! I always dreamt of a very quite and at the same time powerfull laptop and even was seriously considering buying this thing. But linux and FOSS is not about horsepower, convenience, etc., it is about freedom in all sences and for people like me it is also ability to do things i am passionate about. That is why I am still using my 8-years old and noisy Acer laptop (which I schould have replaced by now) even though I can afford buying new laptops every month
Your best bet is either a Thinkpad (if you like them tough) or a Dell. Dell have some very nice models one tick down from the XPS series, I recently got a 16" Dell with a 14-core CPU and I'm extremely happy with it. For a PC laptop it works great, although battery life is like 1 hour and the fan screams if I do anything more than open Notepad. But that's x86 for you. Laptops are replaceable and fragile machines, I don't get why people expect them to last 10 years. Tech moves fast. The benefits of the M architecture greatly outweight any of the negatives for me - the sole exception being lack of PC-level gaming. For that you will always need a lot of energy and a massive fan, no doubts.
What is actually getting me hooked on apple recently is how the XNU/Darwin Kernel works and how well engineered it is, amazing, seems macOS is the perfect balance, I guess filtering telemetry on router should make it 100% usable for me. How do you feel about Apple's telemetry on your device?
I have exactly the same situation. It was fun to use Linux, especially on laptop considering I didn't game on it and just coded or watched YT. However, when I came to select a new one, it turned out there is no better solution than M1 Mac for me, when you search for balance between performance, battery life and build quality.
I work with different notebooks in the last two decades and never really look about the brand or go to a deep dive in technical specs. In my opinion, you should be open to new things. In this case, the new Silicon-based Macs from Apple and his outstanding performance in relation to the power consumption. So far, I have always had a second-hand MacBook or Hackintosh (like one of my Lenovo T420s) and was not ready to pay the huge price for a new Intel-based device direct from Apple. I got my first new MacBook Pro with M2 three weeks ago, and I am more than enthusiastic about it. Even if I am more than enthusiastic, I don't close myself from other things. This applies to hardware as well as for software, and not worse anywhere. Stay cool, be relaxed and also gives new experiences a chance. Thanks for this pragmatical video without gap blinking. Keep up the good work and regards from Germany, Patrick.
I give the video a like, but just for the good as always quality and your hard work and effort put into it. There are other alternatives to Thinkpads, though. Like Laptops from Tuxedo or System76, the guys behind Pop! OS btw..
This was a fantastic video. The M1 is a game changer and I could see myself going that route if they can get Linux running effortlessly on the M1. That is if I can get over how ugly those things are.
Bro said he isn't a hardcore linux user and then uses a compiler as a benchmark💀But seriously this is a good video and highlights a lot of the current frustration with windows laptops, and why many of them still feel so archaic in comparison to the mac, even at a similar price range.
> A lot of talk about hardware and how new macs and m1 chips are good > Almost nothing is said comparing macOS and Linux > Why then inculde "as a linux user'' in the first place?
As a junior linux and t460p user who recently switched from MBP 15 2017 I totally get the point about the circlejerk-iness of TPad warriors who just can't recognize their similarity to close-minded Apple-heads. Sadly for me, I am a control, customization & privacy freak who has no other budget option accept from t460p and other old-machines. Btw your FTM (finkpad to macbook) transition is also very understandable conserning the priority of your blogger carrier and it's needs. It's really dependent on individual enthusiastic desires. Jedem das Seine, энивей. UPD: Also a good note in the end about the overall loss of a consumer in term of "choosing" a better option. A better option for now might be a worse option in the past, but it's still "a better option for now".
So you don't therefore think that it might just have something to do with the fact that IBM and Lenovo have been "in bed with Linux" for many years now and make laptops that are usually quite straightforward to install with Linux. As a Linux user, I consider myself an "engineer", not a "circle jerk" (whatever one of those is anyway in modern "brat-speak"). Thinkpads work well with Linux, Linux does not need "latest and greatest" hardware and older Thinkpads are "built like tanks" and extremely easy and cheap to repair when they go wrong. If you treat a computer as a "fashion accessory" then go buy Apple. But don't tell me my reasons for using Thinkpads.
My 2012 pre Retina dual core MBP is built like a tank, can be upgraded and repaired and it runs Catalina! I followed it up with the quad core 2013 Retina MBP which is built to the same spec, also running Catalina. Classic Macs have for good reason, attained a cult following: cheap, easy to work on and reliable.
In terms of performance is the i7-11800H is kind of equivalent. But it draws north of 45W. Instead of 15-27W. And idles at about 1-2W (1000mW). Instead of 58mW.
lol, get a windows laptop running that cpu and a decent GPU and you’ll be able to do something computationally expensive for about 30 minutes before everything starts to stutter
I recently bought my first Mac Book Air last week. I am a long time Linux (System 76) user and have waved that Flag for the greater part of a decade but having been force to a MAC for the past 3 years I finally get it. The hardware, battery life, dependability, track pad, and short cut keys are at the top of the list for. I really dig how seem less my Air Pods connect between my work Mac Book, Air and iPhone. Guess I joined the Apple fan boy circle jerk. Cheers 😂
M1 is so goated, I think it will go down in history as Apple’s most important chip by far. More important than any smartphone chip they’ve developed, M1 was such a leap ahead intel based MacBooks and Macs and other intel and most AMD machines. I think I’m gonna switch from my 10th Gen i7 Laptop with 1660 Ti to a MacBook Pro with M2 Max, there’s no doubt in my mind right now that this would be one of the most significant tech upgrades I’ll ever make
Nothing is better than an M series Mac, unless you want to game. macOS is THE best OS. Has basically all the nice unix-ness of Linux and all the software support of Windows. How hasn’t any other company developed a non shit trackpad yet ? Btw I run arch on a think pad and don’t have an m series mac yet, but it will be my next machine. The Linux desktop has failed and I’ve given up on it. Dual booting to use Ableton is such a trek
i got a 16 inch macbook m1 with 64gb of ram and shit is goated ngl. performance is super impressive and its super hard to even get the fans going if you tried.
My biggest criticism of macs has never been their hardware performance, but the walled garden that Apple locks you into. Desktop Linux sucks is probably the only point I would agree with, because it really does. But that would be no reason for me to become dependent on Apple.
I agree, people look at me funny when i say if you give me a free iphone i would sell it cause i don't like the ecosystem as they dont allow me to make an app for it without using a mac, no thanks
I personally won't buy such a laptop as long as it can only run MacOS. I don't really upgrade my laptops. I think most people don't do that these days. So that's not really a downside. The trend to go to SSD only and glued-in battery however is kind of stupid because it makes a lot of good hardware become e-waste. But this is a trend beyond Apple. I totally agree on the important aspects of a laptop being zero noise, less weight and long battery life. However I think I will be more interested some Risc-V laptops come around. Otherwise I don't need any laptop for the most time anyway. One question I have though is: Have you ever bought a laptop from a vendor which recommends and supports using Linux on it? Because you said there were always some issues and I think that's somewhat to expect if most vendors don't offer Linux being pre-installed and there isn't any official support given.
I guess @deepspacecow2 was referring to Asahi Linux. If anyone is wondering, it has come a long way since this video, and now even has GPU acceleration and can run older OpenGL games very well, with work ongoing to support Vulkan and Proton for modern titles
You could just shown the compiling test comparisons, the mic test and the battery life and you would have made your case Great video as always. Unfortunately no matter what we say, apple won the race to risc architectures and unfortunately have made the most significant hit to wintel I have seen in the last 25 years. X86 will have a slow painful death, deserving of a system architecture that based its success on closing ppl into its ecosystem. And the same goes for windows. If manufacturers like system76 manage to create good Linux machines with arm or riscV architectures that feel like a finished product that would be amazing. We can only hope
I can vouch 100% for this video, I'm an iOS dev and I've used a bunch of company issued MBPs and they are hot garbage. literally, the 2014 i7 MBP aluminum case was melting into my work desk. I've had a bunch of laptops, the HP Envy ultrabook, zenbooks, and nothing has matched the M1 Macbook Air. Like I was able to do actual dev work on that a machine, and it was also lightweight, relatively cheap, stayed cool and had a pretty decent battery life. It makes me foam at the mouth that a monopoly so anti-consumer like Apple made THE best laptop, bar none, and that as a consumer I can only sit around and wait until a niche company like Framework releases a comparable ARM machine at like double the retail price.
As long time fan of this channel, I saw this coming, macos get's the job done for you, so getting one makes sense. Linux ticks all the boxes for me, trying macos in the past and I couldn't grasp the opinionated window manager... But seeing your video, I might give it a proper try, I do have a 6th gen carbon to slap it on.
as a former arch user who used it as an autistic teenager as a daily driver and who absolutely fell in love with the command line, i can confidently say that (esp. with brew) i can do almost anything on macos that i can also do on linux, but without the headache of random problems (even though i appreciate that unix-systems are overall very transparent with error messages).
I believe that upgradeability is less about improving performance and more about repairability. Because as a pro user, whenever I buy a laptop, I generally prefer maxed-out models.
Excellent video, but a lot of the advantages you mention are delivered by the ARM architecture & the specific M1 Macbook chassis. The performance, battery life, acoustics, port selection, are all directly related to the architecture, of which there is no competitor. I cannot wait until ARM enters the mainstream laptop segment, we will see these incredible gains across the entire industry. And you will be free to run a hac-intosh on whatever laptop you choose :P
The advantages are due to optimisation Apple brought to their flavour of the ARM architecture and their OS software. A standard ARM CPU running Windows or Linux for ARM does not exhibit the same extent of performance and efficiency (i.e. battery life) benefits. Do not overlook the huge amount of effort and experience Apple poured into this, it took years to make it happen
That's it! I'm unsubbin'! Grow a beard, hipster! 😊 Nah, I feel you. I have tried Linux on the desktop, but it just does not cut it for me. I am waiting for the next gen M1.
@@WolfgangsChannel this is the problem, why isn't this done by default, I don't trust those uninstaller as they too have sometimes left app data behind/deleted wrong ones In windows it's as simple as opening control panel
Immutable base system is a good idea for a lot of reasons, and is done by a lot of other operating systems (e.g. SteamOS, Fedora Silverblue, OpenSUSE MicroOS). You don't need to use an uninstaller either, just go in the /System/Applications directory and remove the applications that you don't want. Once again though, you'll need to disable System Integrity Protection for that
Since April. I also thought about waiting until the new M1X models come out, but ultimately decided to go for it. There are always going to be newer, better and more powerful laptops on the horizon
Using Macbook pro 2018 intel with 4 usb-c ports. 2 ports go for monitors, one to charge, one for a usbc to usb-a for external keyboard, mouse printer, disks, memory sticks etc. The lack of ports on the m1 would be a deal breaker. So would less than 32gb of memory, which comes in handy if you are running docker or other virtualisation things. I will wait until the next gen pro models that fix ports and memory.
My big quibble with buying an M1 Mac-anything is that the two VM vendors Parallels and VMware have publically stated that they won't support virtualized X86 VMs on the platform. If you're using your Mac as a sysadmin in a corporation, the Pro version of VMware lets you build VMs and deploy them into vCenter. You can do that just as easily with a maxed out Lenovo X86 laptop. If you want to develop terraform, ansible, or puppet code using Virtual Box or VMware VMs, that's still OK. Just don't expect to boot an existing X86 Windows VM to copy stuff off of it. I'm not sure about Docker, minikube, and kubectl but that should probably work so long as the containers are built for ARM rather than X86. Since all this is my prime purpose for owning a system, I'll most likely get a maxed out X86 Mac Mini or build a small Linux box just to do that stuff. The days of my MacPro desktop are numbered.
Absolutely - even though Apple has done a great job with Rosetta 2 and bridging the software gap between ARM64 and x86, there are definitely going to be some use cases that neccesitate having a native x86 device. I still have an x86 desktop for gaming and a separate laptop (Thinkpad T430) for all the Linux stuff.
I had used gentoo linux for over 3 years when I was an undergraduate student. I still remember the days where I emerge the world every night, listening to my cpu making loud noises at midnight while they're compiling everything from source, and i surely had a lot of fun with it since I've learned so much from this process. However, after starting to work, I get so burned out from work and I just don't want to deal with those package dependency bullshit anymore. At this point, I just want something stable enough to help me get my shit done.
I am a full-time Linux user now for about 20 years. I think Macbooks are good for some things, like if I want really good battery life while I am reading an academic paper or doing light writing work. I can do those things fine on my Linux laptop, but not for long if I want to work outside (I do because I have external power backups). But for any kind of heavy load, I would prefer a regular computer with Linux on it. The one thing I hate about Macbook that they actively take measures for you not to be able to repair them and also them being very fragile.
In all honesty, since the M1 chip got released, I tend to like Apple more than Windows. I don't have a problem with Apple in general except the points you already talked about. Considering that Apple is making devices for people who don't care about tech and just want something that works, it is absolutely fine... although that's probably the reason I'd never use an Apple device... I just cannot stop tinkering around in my arch installation. Edit: I really hope the RISC-V chips are going to be something very soon...
Its not about the price, its not about the convenience, its not about the design. Its about libre software, which is why i would never use apple products.
Ive never understood OS loyalty. Ive used linux, macos, android, ios, and windows. They all have their strengths. However, in the 18 years of owning laptops and tablets, its always been the apple products that held the line the longest for me, even when buying used. These new m1 laptops are actually underpriced for how good of a value they are. In fact they’re hurting apples sales because nobody is upgrading.
It's just Richard Stallmans free software radical ideology run amok. Most Linux users don't really care about it, but have convinced themselves because of the FOSS community that it's somehow important. Just use whatever tool you perfer or is best for the job at hand. Limiting oneself based on some arbitrary belief system, for something so simple as a computer operating system is a waste of time.
This reminds me of the good old Motorola 68000 days. Looks like Apple is back to its good old days except for right-to-repair. Wish Steve could see this and do a critique.
MacOS is objectively providing the worst window manager, tile manager and desktop manager. M2 hardware is pretty great, but the OS, several major fundamental issues, I never felt less productive on anything else comparing to Mac...
Many people have mentioned that I didn't include the new AMD laptops in my comparisons. My bad! Here are my thoughts:
Even though Renoir laptops provide a really good value, I'm yet to see an x86 laptop that balances performance, noise, size and battery life as well as the M1 Macbook Air does.
Sure, you can get an AMD laptop like Acer Swift 3 or Lenovo Ideapad 14 with a Ryzen 5700U or 5800U for a similar price (or sometimes even cheaper), and the performance will be better than the M1, but that's not something I can say about battery life (real-life numbers, not manufacturers' claims), build quality or noise - all of these factors are really important for me personally.
With my workflow, I would also have to run Windows on those laptops - since Linux does not support the software that I need and you can't run Hackintosh on an AMD APU. As mentioned in the video, I don't like running Windows on my daily driver laptop, since I find the experience subpar.
That being said, if you run Linux or Windows, Renoir and Cezanne laptops are a great choice.
@@banddy1376 have you take a look of the track record of those companies?
have you not noticed garbage scrolling on safari, on simple pages like TH-cam, or amazon, this seems to be a Big Sur issue, as any version of Mac OS before it is buttery smooth on safari, let me know your thoughts on that
I got a notification someone replied but I can't see the reply
TH-cam shennanigans I guess. Anyway, I didn't encounter that issue
@@henriquemiranda5748 just checked youre right but I rarely use safari, I use Chrome...mine is MBP 2019 Catalina its probably how Safari is built on it... but I hear consistently is Safari on Mac is mostly recommended if you want to save battery life
3 months ago: "Installing Gentoo"
2 days ago: "Why I Switched to Mac"
It was so random
4 hours ago: "Upgrading T430"
@WolframaticAlpha can confirm
He's evolving, just backwards
he's got a new girlfriend
I think that we can all come to the same conclusion that the vast majority of megacorps don't give a fuck about us personally, so starting wars over which device is superior is simply a waste of time.
I just view it as fun lol. I enjoy comparing and understanding the relative merits of and design philosophies behind different tools, like laptops and programming languages
@@Tevqoon Plenty :)
Some things are objectively *inferior* though, such as the same hardware being 3x more expensive and so locked down that it may as well be an *actual* jail ...
@@3nertia if cost is your own concern, you wouldn’t like macs even if it’s open source.
You just have a religious affiliation to price to performance ratio.
You don’t really care about performance/watt for mobile devices
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu And you haven't a clue what I care about ...
M1 macs are a very good product in terms of battery efficiency and performance. I hope this machine will stay relevant and last you for years without a need to upgrade.
I personally have an M2 MacBook Air and gotta say, that thing has the performance exceeding my Ryzen 7 3700X PC in terms of single-core tasks which as a web dev are the main priority for me. And before you start asking me why M2 and not the cheaper M1 here's the reason - M2's efficiency cores are literally twice as fast as in the M1 and I simply use power-saving mode outside the docking station all the time.
i’ve had a 2010 and 2015 mbp. both (intel core) have already been superior to everything else on the market back then. especially regarding efficiency due to the optimized os.
people need to realize that macs would just be pretty things w/o the os. but they don’t. they recommend “linux on the laptop”. laughable.
@@shapelessed U can still run Linux in Parallels extremely well, the performance is near-native in my experience.
@@shapelessed efficiency cores twice as fast but 256gb hard drive is half the speed!
7 or 8 years until apple decides to cut support. Then it's basically paperweight
I was on the Mac hate train for the longest time, and my experience with the first gen M1 MBA didn’t help (fell victim to the random screen crack issue). Decided to give the 14” M1 pro MBP a try and I absolutely love it. The fact that a good chunk of my Linux knowledge applies to MacOS is a godsend even tho there’s a lot of things I find myself missing. The most shocking thing for me is the fact that the few of my games it does support (which happen to be the ones I play the most) run almost as well as on my 3070 Legion 5 which was priced almost exactly the same.
What games can you play on macos?
@@zethcubegamer5275 FFXIV, Subnautica, OSRS, and a few others I can’t remember off the top of my head. Steam has a filter for Mac compatible games the same way Linux does
@@zethcubegamer5275 adding to the list by @AlibifortheAfterlife: Slay the Spire, CSGO 2, DOTA 2, Hades and others running through Wine, so there is choice
good thing that we have a company like framework that have followed through on their promise for a repairable and upgradable laptop. Hope they have more success. However the performance of the apple chips does make it hard to switch.
Framework wont last long. All that upgradability is recipe for disaster. Those soldered ram modules and memory sticks are for a reason.
I have seen folks permanantly damage memory slots due to incorrectly seated module, smoke coming from contacts of M2 drive which was put in a laptop without powering it down correctly. Etc. So the more removable contact points you have on a system, the higher the chances for failure.
Also it comes down to system and bios compatibility. You cant shoehorn ddr4 ram if the entire processor, motherboard and subsystems dont recognise DDR4. So a time will come when the framework laptop hits its upper limit of upgradeability like the old thinkpad showcased at the beginning of the video.
@@anandmehta2323so why is none of the stuff in my PC soldered?
@@roidlsebastian Because its cheap and designed to fail anyways after about 3 yrs. I own laptops like that. Failed a month after warranty expired and repair cost 50% of new laptop cost. I have two here I can gift someone - not that they are of any use.
@@anandmehta2323 Mine is 9 years old and works flawlessly without ever having any faults.
@@anandmehta2323 If that's the case, we should just throw anyway custom desktops then. Have no prebuilts, have no desktops, just go all in completely soldered. Your point of framework products failing because of their upgradability is extremely flawed. The reason why soldered laptops are popular is because it's much cheaper to produce compared to having everything modular. It's much cheaper to have one factory building everything all in one go than to have multiple for different modules. Also laptops are an all in one package so for many manufacturers, it really doesn't make sense to make everything modular. Lenovo saw that not many are upgrading their cpus so they just remove that upgradability path. They did not remove it because it cause harm. They also didn't have a real plan on how to deal with excess CPU modules nor do they build their products on complete modularity. Framework, on the other hand, has a plan for extra CPU modules and built their laptops from the ground up with sustainability and modularity in mind so the two companies can't really be compared equally. As for upgrading ram and other components, I never seen anyone break their laptop from upgrading. If a person is upgrading their laptops, they already have some knowledge of computing and probably already know and researched their laptop. If not, that's really on them but that doesn't mean the product is a flop. Even then, upgrading or replacing any component on framework's laptop is easier compared to other modular laptops. Each component in framework's laptops has labels and qr codes pointing to instructions online.
Massive respect. Not enough tech TH-camrs being so pragmatic.
Pragmatism would include all factors about the company Apple and why one shouldn't buy any product from them - unless one has sociopath and evil intentions.
@ElMariachi google isn't any better
@@oo--7714 Google for sure isn't any 'good'.
But no other enterprise does intentionally and openly build products with planned obsolescence, integrated chips to actively prevent repairs and then is trying to abuse jurisdiction to even forbid repairs. And this is only on top of all the 'usual' stuff that hugee enterprises do.
Not even to speak of what they did to the world, by introducing bullshit technologies that is proven to make humans stupid, like smartphones, technology that's build by pure visual desing criteria instead of quality and resource conservation, like their instant death too thin notebooks, their tight relations to Foxconn where suicide is normal like lunch because of terrible working conditions, them stealing more ideas then any other enterprise ever and selling these idead as their own, breeding generations of brainless zombies that don't even have an idea of what making own decisions based on facts means and instead just always stay with Apple without any logical reasoning, selling them actual crap (watch Louis Rossman..) for insanly exaggerated prices and dozens of issues more.
Crapple IS the dark empire.
And so it's all about completely avoiding shit where it's possible and chosing the lessr evil where it's not possible.
@@oo--7714 Google let's you repair your own device, lock and relock your bootloader, modify the OS (or replace it entirely) and sideload applications
I'd say that's just a tad better
>pragmatic
Idk, he doesn't like tiling window managers
I'm literally waiting for mainstream vendors to finally offer an ARM-based, or even better, RISC-V, laptop with decent specs. Same for desktop mainboards.
I would kill for a RISC-V laptop! Man that'd be so fun to mess with!
This is the real dream.
Yep, the real bright future
It's not only a hardware thing though... Microsoft apparently can't come up with a decent ARM OS
If MS doesn't fumble Windows 11's ARM version and they lead the way with a competitive Surface laptop, I can see other vendors following the trend for fear of being left behind. They just need a real equivalent to Rosetta to allow a user to run x86 software without excessive pain. Once those ARM laptops are out there, it's just a matter of the Linux community doing their thing.
once Asahi Linux is ready for normal use on the m1 air you better post videos about it because Id trust your opinion on it
MacOS 11 works just fine for a Linux User. I don't see the need to use Asahi Linux.
@@Alejandro-vp1op because Macos is proprietary
@@liamsweeney4754 change os doesn't quite solve that problem thou
@@Alejandro-vp1op the point of the videos is most lapto hardware sucks,
and the M1 macbooks don't...
(mostly).
@@liamsweeney4754 Yep, so, is it that a problem? A Linux user like me is not always here for the philosophy, but there's a tech component that MacOS also has
Prior to M1 there was nothing I liked about Apple computers. Intel Macs were an absolute joke with a reputation for being slow, undercooled, overpriced devices. I hated their OS, products, ecosystem, and ethics. M1 was a big step in the right direction. Excellent battery life, functional standby, and actually viable price/performance. Even I considered buying an M1 Mac Mini for video editing since nothing could really compare at the time. Still hate Apple overall, but at least their Macbooks are genuinely nice computers now.
Curiously, many of the comments here from users switching from Linux to MacOS, who are complaining about "jankiness" and the need for "user intervention" on Linux, appear to be people using Archlinux on their main desktops in production environments.
DT next video:
Why u shouldnt watch wolfgang
@@theod0r distrotube
@Вероника Заглотова who =/= what
@@theod0r dlouis trossmann, the famous right-to-repair advocate, non-apple-authorized repair technician, and real estate tv show host
DT is corny, Wolfgang is a solid dude
DT or Luke Smith, let's gooooooooooooooo.
I have about 15 (older) thinkpads and love each and every one of them - but my daily driver has been a macbook air M1 since last December. You gotta be realistic about these things - and recognize a revolution when you see one. I even made my own pascal compiler that compiles natively to M1 ARM assembly language. Even though I do enjoy the past (my x41, x61, x220 etc) - I really appreciate living in the future! Thanks for having made this video =)
well, sure. Right now, M1 runs fast. That's not because apple is somehow revolutionary or anything - it's simply that Apple ported their OS to ARM first.
Give it a few more years, and all laptops will be ARM, and then apple will be one of the ones with worse hardware again.
Right? Bought my first mac a couple years ago, the m1 air, and it is so silent and portable.
@@iFireender well, first we need that to happen. Until then it is all conjectures and imagination.
@@iFireender It wont happen in a few more years, there's just too many programs and gaming that are done exclusively on x86_64, it will take more than a decade
@@tuxthedev3470 luckily, programs that require high amounts of resources usually are newer programs. Newer programs (mostly, and really should) have well-controlled codebases. Most languages have well-defined cross compilation possibilities.
You can easily emulate a decades old x86 program on an ARM machine - those usually don't even begin to use up the capabilities of modern computers.
As for other programs? You basically just need to cross-compile, if even.
I assume we're going to see a true 50/50 split, where there's both ARM and x86 machines, performing similarly, arm slightly better, x86 being more legacy compatible, in 3-4 years, and in around 10 years we'll be entirely switched to ARM and/or RISCV.
I like your arguments regarding the M1 Mackbook and for the longest time, I owned the 13" Macbook as my daily driver. I am now running the Thinkpad T470s. I can open it up in 5 minutes and swap out the NVME drive and swithc operating systems based on my work needs - Ubuntu, Fedora, Manjaro and yes even windows. I wish Apple would go back to the days when you could swap out components for people who care to do such things.
I know that some day you will be able to run linux on them but not swap our drives with having to resort to dual boots etc.
I feel this so much. I basically share all of your sentiments towards the mac!!
Also “Companies are not your friend” and “If you vote with your dollar, people with more dollar have more votes” are so very true. Basically why I consider myself more of “Apple’s Hostage” than “Apple Fan”
First time I heard the term Apple hostage 😅
As a mobile developer (Android) I'm in a similar position... Every project I join in every company I end up with a MacBook so both iOS and Android team match in equipment 🤡
Apple hostage is such an appropriate term. I am far from a fanboy, and I hate that I love the ecosystem. To their credit, if anyone else replicated Apple’s ecosystem, they’d probably end up implementing nearly identical practices.
Hostage and victim of Apple. Yeah and No company is your friend, true friends doesn’t require you vote them by your money; the true friend need your care and help
It's ironic. I never thought of it that way but I've been a "Windows Hostage" since the late 90s. If you play video games at all, you should already know everything you'd ever want about why.
Sure, more and more people are breaking free thanks to what Steam has done. However, there are people like me who are still tied down by the games that still don't work on anything other than Windows.
I've never called myself a Windows fan but, up until a couple years ago, it was the only OS to stay on any of my PCs for longer than a few months. Well, technically, pfSense broke that record some time back but I don't really count it since it's more of an appliance than a desktop or server.
A reasonable and logical take, I have to admit the M1 silicon is super nice. I obviously agree with everything you said about Apple, I don't think the problem is their hardware per say, because right now its really good, the problem is their attitude towards letting their users actually own it. Once the community has gotten a surefire and reliable way to throw Linux on it, I might buy one myself.
Actually, they have! Been daily driving Asahi Linux on my M1 Macbook Air for the past half year, it's been great!
@@aspectxyz How's the battery life of linux on m1? I have a MBA m2 and really frustrated about OSX. I just find Asahi to be a little bit incomplete at this point.
@@adonespitogonaif I use all the major three - Windows on a PC, Linux on RPI4 server and MacOS on my M2 MacBook and I would never trade MacOS for linux.
Why is that? Because every time you need to actually do some work on it, something randomly breaks and then I have to spend 2 hours just on fixing it. MacOS just gets out of the way completely and you do you...
@@adonespitogonaif I get around 7 hours with light usage i.e. coding, browsing.
@@aspectxyz May I ask whether all I/O and GPU support works now? Which bugs did you encounter?
I wish that one day, we will have a ARM-processor based Thinkpad as good as the M1, with the old keyboard and decent webcam
Sorry, what is ARM going to give you that an X86-64 laptop doesn't already give you?
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Great battery life
@@stellarorbit1341 It's not that straightforward. Battery life depends entirely on what hardware and software is running on your machine. The battery life on my ARM-based Pixel 4a phone doubled overnight just because I installed a custom LineageOS on it and stopped running any Google apps on it, many of which were constantly running in the background.
In order to make that statement true, you'd need to look at the power consumption of all the hardware in the device - that will then give you an indication of battery drain.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 take a moment to realize you’re comparing an android phones battery to a modern laptop battery
@@n7ghtmareee What does that have to do with it? So a modern laptop battery doesn't drain faster the more wattage that you draw from it? Did you do electrical theory in school? Did you even go to school?
"especially the famous Apple fanboy Linus Tech Tips"
I laughed so hard😂😂
@@plica06 He's being ironic. Linus isn't a fanboy. He can be annoying and a hardass, but he's not a fanboy of anything... except spending money on D.I.Y.ing his house with tech.
@plica06 Linus has a history of dissing Apple, he called the Apple Silicon presentation "a slow dumpster fire", said that the performance claims were exaggerated, and since Apple didn't present any real benchmarks, the real-world performance would likely be subpar and the first generation of M1 Macbooks would be swept under the rug like the first Apple Watch.
@@WolfgangsChannel A lot of viewers saw it that way, but Linus clarified in his podcast (WAN show) that week that he hated how little information they had in presentation, not the product itself. In any case, he definitely gave it the praise it deserved when it came out!
ME TOO!!!
lol
I love how this video makes fun of Windows, Mac and Linux users, AND how they all see each other at the same time.
I appreciate that you acknowledge the issues regarding upgrading & repair when it comes to MacBooks. As for me I'm quite happy with my Framework laptop!
Thought about getting one of those...that may be a company to keep an eye out for. You can install a freakin graphics card on the back of one now.
Nice video dude. It's evident you really spent some time balancing out your arguments and position here in order to not upset any side too much. I hope people will be able to see that you kept an open mind about this.
He's got the same mental process as I do. It's cool to have a free software laptop, but even Windows is a beast nowadays, not to mention the engineering behind the MacBook.
Now I have an HP Pavilion laptop with a broken keyboard. It's not that the keyboard is soldered, but if you want a new one, you have to tear the whole laptop apart and spend 20% of the laptop price in that part. So, I made my math and buying a new MacBook Air second generation is a way better option than upgrading and suffering this 2019 laptop.
The only two things I'd miss is Windows and Linux... but for that I have this crippled laptop.
The reason why I stopped using MacOs as a developer - docker is virtualized and slow as fuck. Jumped to Linux, docker is running native and is lighting fast. No matter how good are the CPUs they put in Macbooks, the virtualization just kills any benefits. If your main task is video editing, then yeah - I see the benefits.
You might want to take a look at this: medium.com/carvago-development/my-docker-on-macos-part-1-setup-ubuntu-virtual-machine-both-intel-and-apple-silicon-cpu-5d886af0ebba
Not sure if it's still relevant.
Technically speaking, docker containers ARE linux containers. Nobody wants to have a pure MacOS/Windows/etc. docker container with all the non-linux libraries, running Mach-O/PE binaries inside, it doesn't make any sense. So in any case docker on a non-linux platform will be a sort of emulator of a linux kernel or a virtual machine running the real linux kernel. No doubts, if you develop for linux it's best to do on linux.
If you are a sysadmin/devops, using Linux is optimal. If you are a webdev with some need for graphical applications, maybe Mac is the best (or you need to be some kind of GIMP/Inkscape master). Videoediting? Yeah, without Adobe apps Linux is pretty much bad at this.
Also, I don't use Mac because their 5 year support is absolutely ridiculous. If your machine is above 5yo you need to basically turn your Mac into a Hackintosh for a machine that works fine, and you will need to buy the next new thing apple launched for $1000+. No, thanks.
@@dvmavgoor I think Davis meant that the Docker is running with x86 emulation, not on the native ARM64 emulation. So it's basically emulation inside of an emulation, which makes things slower.
@@WolfgangsChannel That's even worse, I agree. But I feel it's not fair to blame OS X that it's incapable of running x86 Linux binaries on its ARM64 hardware without any slowness.
Nice video. I'm a software developer and an apple user, a windows user, and a linux user. They all have strengths and weaknesses. I prefer using mac for my personal laptop because I have an iphone. Being dogmatic about what machine you like to use is great, being dogmatic about what other people should use is completely stupid.
While you presented a lot of good evidence to back up your purchase, the irony that you had to make a 20 minute video supporting your own choice to a community that has built its identity around their choice of computer is pretty evident. It felt like you were very intent on convincing this group of people that this was an ok decision for you to have made. At the end of the day all computers are computers and are there to help you accomplish stuff, which they all do. Until anyone else is paying for your computer, fuck em and what they think.
After 1 year: Did you cool down?!
Hats his honest opinion from his personal experience which matches the experiences most of unbiased human with nice grateful and cool nature. He didn’t force anything on anybody. It’s your choice to watch his TH-cam video and take it personally!
Sheesh, this internet is really getting filled with teens and polar dumb heads!
I’ve been coding compilers, assemblers and AI under DOS decades before you were born, or even before your inception!
And honestly, the Apple Silicon is a once in a lifetime revolution only hardcore techies (and unbiased users) would really understand and appreciate. That’s my personal experience and opinion, don’t take it personally again, nobody is pushing anything under your throat, if you keep your mouth shut and LEARN from other people instead of being closed minded.
I understand where you are coming from. As an ex-Linux user, I have moved to Apple ecosystem in 2022. MacbookAir for portable device, Mac Studio as desktop, iPhone as communication device, Airpod for headphone. The amount of convenience & continuity among devices is staggering. Yes, it is pricey but I can pay money for convenience and I did that. I am getting older and I don't find love/excitement for tweaking of electronic devices anymore.
I’m stuck with a Chromebook that my father’s work gave away, I absolutely hate it. The OS is unreliable and if the browser crashes, the entire desktop goes down along with it, the user account or system automatically resets itself if it detects a tiny problem unless the user account has a good TPM, and it deletes files without consent due to low storage, used the Linux container a bit but couldn’t do much due to CPU, 4 GB RAM, and overheating. The Android VM is bull, as they purposely prevent APK file installation and force you to go get the google play store, and as an iOS user that pays for iCloud and owns an Apple Watch, the Chromebook is pressuring me into paying for Google Drive and buying a Google Pixel and worshipping Google instead.
One thing I loved about ThinkPads is the security features that come with the bios, like disabling the webcam, USB ports, and wifi, setting passwords on either power-up or only when accessing the bios, in other words, you can make it secure enough to eliminate insider threats without compromising availability. I would totally buy a ThinkPad if I had the chance again.
Seriously reaching.
@@EvoraGT430 I was speaking as a small business owner, not a sophisticated cyber attack. Of course no system is perfect, let alone a windows machine.
Apple has its own security features. Soldered SSD makes it impossible to steal hard disk physically
@@timohavol8032 they can’t do jack if the hard drive is encrypted.
@@timohavol8032 lmao
The quality is stunning, I enjoyed watching this video
I got mine in March,
-Never used MacOS nor touched a MacBook (had the two handed mouse pad habit).
-Out of all “high performance” slim & light laptops I researched, the M1 MBP stood out in benchmarks and price
-The charger is small & light
-I even had a fricking authorized seller around the block from where I live
Just a small correction: the ram is not 4266 “MHz”, it is 4266 MT/s (Mega Transfers per second) and 2133 MHz, DDR means Double Data Rate. The frequency is based on the clock cycle time, the transfer rate in DDR memory is double the frequency.
Thanks, good to know 👍
I did some googling and it turns out that both 4266 and 2133 values can be referred to as either MTs or Mhz. In both cases the memory operates at dual channel if there are two modules with equal capacity, so the comparison is correct - 4266 Mhz in the M1 Macbooks is 2x faster than 2133Mhz in the DDR3 laptops.
@@WolfgangsChannel That is a common mistake, but dual channel memory doesn’t change the frequency. DDR memory sends two signals in a single clock cycle by assigning value on both the rising and falling edges of the clock signal. There is also something called QDR which sends four transfers per cycle.
You can have one chip that sends one signal per cycle, one DDR chip that sends two signals per cycle, and one chip that sends four signals per cycle. If these three chips have the same frequency of, say 1333MHz, the first chip will also be 1333MT/s, but the DDR chip with the same frequency will carry 2666MT/s, and the QDR chip will have 5333MT/s.
To my knowledge, there are no DDR4 memory chips on the market that are validated to operate at 4266MHz, as these high frequencies cause stability issues.
The other interesting thing that makes the difference between frequency and transfer rate interesting is latency. A DDR4 chip with 2133MHz (4266MT/s) will have twice the latency of a single transfer per cycle chip with a 4266 MHz (4266MT/s) while having the same data transfer rates.
One of the features of LPDDR4X was increased frequency - that's why those chips can reach 4266 MT/s whereas desktop DDR4 chips usually only manage around 3600-4000 MTs www.anandtech.com/show/11021/sk-hynix-announces-8-gb-lpddr4x4266-dram-packages
There are plenty of desktop chips that can do 4266 MT/s though: www.amazon.com/s?k=ddr4+4266&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
All I'm trying to say is - the DDR3 RAM in the video is actually 1066 Mhz, but runs at 2133 MT/s when it works in the dual channel mode (two sticks of RAM). The LPDDRX4 RAM in the Macbooks is actually 2133 Mhz, but runs at 4266 MT/s in dual channel configuration. It might not be exactly two times faster due to higher timings and other factors, but the point still stands.
Love my M2 pro. It was my first MacOS machine. I had everything else except for the Mac. It integrates with all of my other apple products seamlessly and best of all the dang thing just works 100% of the time for me. Battery life and no fan noise is a plus too! As far as ports ago I agree that the ports on the Air are lacking. But the Pro gives usbc, HDMI, 3.5mm audio jack, and an SD card slot
This is something I can respect. Especially those last few minutes of real talk.
Honestly just a replaceable SSD in the macs would make me happy.
What do you think about the framework laptop?
I can almost guarantee Apple will bring back upgradeable storage, but it will be horribly expensive and a proprietary design, of course.
On point. Long time Linux user ( I used Arch btw ) and bought the M1 Air with 16Gb. As a Web Developer it has everything I need including the soyboy software I need for work. Also, M1 is hella fast and battery life is just muah.
I mean you can do web Dev on almost anything, it really comes down to battery life. That being said as another web Dev I just really don't like the OS, its poorly build, the app store is useless and the restrictions that apple puts on all their shit is annoying.
I shouldn't spend 1 hour looking up how to install STS cause Mac doesn't like the binary, is stupid as fuck.
@@Keviamaya um, so how figma, adobe xd, maybe even sketch work on linux for webdev? and graphics for webdev? just gimp and krita?
@@killmeh2 I usually work with figma, gimp, krita and inkscape and that's usually fine for most things, but I'm a coder on most projects and from my perspective Linux fits me better.
I get that people like using Mac for design or video editing projects but I rather just switch to Windows if I really need those, its cheaper and faster.
My mind's been out of the hellscape that is 2018 /g/ for a while now. Who the fuck cares, use what's best for you, the only people judging you are not worth being around (aka /g/ users)
@Lightning Hydra I work at an AASP, I would personally never buy a new Mac due to the bullshittery I've seen from Apple. I do really like macOS, so if I had more money and was able to piss away hundreds at a time without it hurting then maybe I would use one. But they cost an unnecessary amount of money to own and repair.
For laptops, the future is ARM. Apple's M1 was a long needed market renovation and the lack of support for Linux was a consequence. The main roadmap must be Linux supporting new Qualcomm (and others ARMs) chips faster to be competitive from day one.
Whose future? And why? I've been building and programming computers for almost 40 years now, I see no intrinsic problem with current laptop design, provided you buy one of good enough quality.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 So you don't see the problems with heating and battery life that comes with X86 CPUs?
@@terrydaktyllus1320 so someone who has been making computers for 40 years only made a youtube account recently?
@@gmdrandom6287 Yes, I made this specific account reasonably recently. Perhaps 40 years in computers has taught me a lot about privacy and anonymity? Maybe I don't just use one account?
@@terrydaktyllus1320 so why is ARM bad?
The best computer is the one that works for you. And since so many people use computers these days it´s just logical that people use different computers and companies offer different computers with different specs.
I've been using an M1 Macbook Air the past few days and have to say they are amazing machines. I already have a good AMD Thinkpad (T14s) but the M1 Macbook Air is such a pleasure to use that I think I may just sell the Thinkpad
after using mac for a year, I switched back to thinkpads
You crazy
good choice if it works to you!
which mac? i3 macbook air ?
@@sencercebeci 16 inch mbp
@@SjarMenace if I am a coder or a content creator, designer, artist, etc, yes indeed, that would be crazy, but I am just a finance guy who rely heavily on MS office, which is superior to any other office apps. although there is a mac version of MS office, but it has limited features.
Damn...This is what I call a quality TH-cam video. You covered so many different perspectives and gave such a comprehensive viewpoint. For a minute I forgot that I was watching a TH-cam video and it felt like a well crafted documentary. All the points you covered so effortlessly must've surely taken hours/days of research and planning. Thank You for that.
I'm liking the video immediately. Hope to see more quality videos from you! If you could maybe some vids about doing development on m1 macs would be nice.
Thanks again man!
For the past 18months, my daily has been a 2nd gen X1 Extreme - i'm an above average sized person and 14" or lower notebooks couldn't really cut it for me (apple, thinkpad or otherwise).
Was actually considering getting a 16" M1 MBP as a replacement - the thing is, those are ridiculously expensive, like meme levels expensive - if i was to get a roughly comparable configuration (32Gb of ram, 1-2Tb nvme drive, decent screen etc).
Even if i could tank the price abyss, the lack of ports not so sure - pretty much all of the ports on my X1E and there are a few there, are occupied.
Furthermore, only thing i can't swap on the thinkpad is the cpu - ram, storage, network card are all replaceable.
Apple price premium is still hard to digest.
Nice review Wolfgang, people don't seem to realize everyone buys items tailored to their own making.
Whoa. I loved that those with more dollars get more votes bit. I never thought of it like that.
Amazing video. Thank you.
This video describes my relationship with Linux and MacOS. I use Linux for gaming, Mac for work.
Quality content! Got me one as well in January, after being super disappointed by an Air in 2012 and using Thinkpads for years. Apple really improved big league!
Repairability is what worries me, especially for the battery. I don't want to have to upgrade after 2-3 years because apple doesn't want me to change the battery when they don't exist in my country.
Or maybe down the line when the stop supporting my macbook, though I am not well-informed about the how they treat legacy devices.
The battery is always the one thing that will be easy to replace, and being that it’s such a mass market product, you’ll always be able to find plenty of spares on eBay. Otherwise, it’s just a few screws on the bottom and you’re in.
Aside from soldered storage and RAM, it’s basically the same repairability as all other laptops. Microsoft’s surface line is actually the worst here, because for some dumb reason they glue all of them shut, and Microsoft itself doesn’t even attempt to repair them, they just replace completely, incredibly wasteful and I don’t know why they don’t get more flak for that .
Since the device is so solid state though, it’s actually kind of reliable by design, since there’s no moving parts that should fail. (Like the CPU fan)
Can’t speak for M1 yet but historically Apple has been quite good about supporting devices for well over 5 years, I don’t know if there are examples of shorter lifespan ones. Usually there’s also some software hack to keep updating it.
With Windows 11 requiring TPM and throwing compatibility out the window for most devices that run Windows, I’m very curious how Microsoft is going to deal with it, because it’s a major compatibility step backwards for Windows, especially on the lower end.
Nein nein, not just battery. aapl is all going to screw over the SSD. Game over.
@@AndreiAldea but I think the Surface laptop 4 and laptop GO were actually able to be opened now?
Soldered SSD worries me a lot
Yeah it's bad that one can't change the battery oneself. However, Apple swaps the battery - for 139€. Not cheap, but not terrible either.
If you had a choice, would you preder Linux or MacOS on your Mac M1?
macOS
@@WolfgangsChannel *NO*
@@WolfgangsChannel *Gasp*
Edit: i guess it makes sense though
MacOS is real BSD based UNIX
@@johto macOS *is* UNIX
Good for you because any pragmatic and thoughtful choice is a good choice. I've left at least a dozen of windows machines and a couple of macs behind and moved to Linux several years ago. Suits my current workflow and priorities better. You do you.
Linux desktop + MacbookPro14. This has been my combo for the last 3 years (since the release of M1 MBP). Nothing to complain about, if something doesn't work on Linux, it most certainly works on Mac and Steam works on Linux almost perfectly so I can even indulge in occasional gaming session.
"It turns out, that when you vote with your dollar, people who have more dollars get more votes" AMEN. This is a concept that even thinking mids fail to think about and digest. Got yourself a new subscriber -great analysis overall. :)
What does it mean?
@@jeffersonmp4 well, 2 meanings:
A)
do you want something to change? if you are paying (more) for a product or a service, you got more/the power.
So don't buy/support things/products that you don't think are good enough and (only) then the company would care enough.
B)
rich people ('people who have more dollars') are only 1 out of 100. And that 1% have half the wealth (50% instead of the 1%) of all the others combined.
So, if we give power (by voting) to the 1%'s allies and 'friends' (if we value money that much as a mindset), then more power to the rich people.
Rich people, have more dollars.
If we vote by measuring values less than dollars, rich people have greater influence/are of greater importance/have more money.
1 vote = 1 person
If
1 vote = 1 dollar...
Or
Having 1 house = 1 vote,
Well then... some people have more 51% of the houses (dollars/shares/admiration points socially, etc),
So, their opinion and their interests are of greater importance and influence.
If 99% want to choose white,
But 1% wants black,
Then black it is. Always (got the 51%)
So simple/silly examples.
And the 99% trying to race and win in a field that they have no chance, thinking they're equal!
--- Sorry for the long post, English isn't my native language. :)
P.s. the 1% have grabbed more than twice the wealth that the rest off 99% got on the last 3 years...
As a Thinkpad user I agree with what you said in the video, the new macs are undoubtedly the best performing notebooks around, but still the inability to play the entirety of my steam library is too much of a drawback to switch to an M1 MacBook as of now.
And that right there is where Microsoft and Dedicated gpu hardware has people. Yes you can run many but not all or any of the top new games on Linux (at least not easily or without lots of tinkering). That’s why I still have a hand built PC next to me. Along with a gaming laptop (darn thing is way too heavy to be called a laptop). Both run Windows and Linux. The only reason they windows really is for some specific office work and games. Otherwise I’d be using Linux exclusively. An M2 (soon to be M3) MacBook solves most of one problem.
I use my M1 Mac mini for work. I can run Kali linux as a VM in Parallels with NO lag like in other VM setups.
A specific and detailed review, with lots of humor. I like these.
Mac OS on a thinkpad since 2019, you psycho.
I was using Arch Linux as my main OS on my desktop and laptop for about 3 years. Recently I'm using a MacBook pro (M1) that I got from my new job, and I realize that I was missing a lot of creature comforts on Linux. The design coherence and overall polish is just so much better on macos. I'm still using Linux on my desktop, but now I notice how much jankier the experience is. Obviously I'm will still use Linux because it has many advantages, but now I appreciate macos more than I did previously.
what desktop environment do you use?
you cannot really say linux has a janky experience when linux itself can run multiple completely different experiences haha...
You say the Linux experience was "janky" while running Arch as your main desktop OS.....
@@a.Murder.Of.Crows. that's a fair point. Not because I was using Arch, but because I insisted on using a tiling WM because it's more "minimal." It was such a time suck to get that thing configured correctly, and yeah it was pretty cool but it had a lot of rough edges. I'm now using a stock Gnome instead and I personally like it a lot better, and I don't miss macos anymore.
Every desktop environment I’ve used has been janky on linux. It’s the same issue with android. You have thousands of good options but not a single great one.
@@ZeerakImran may I ask what desktop environments you have used and whether you used X11 or Wayland?
From my perspective, this is a sensible assessment of the current market. I bought an Asus g14 shortly before the M1 macs came out, and although I'm quite pleased with the purchase (great linux support, decently upgrade-able, and able to run fanless with the dGPU disabled), I can see how anyone who isn't interested in gaming (or who's willing to wait while compatibility catches up) might end up with a mac.
yeah macos gaming has been dead ever since apple removed 32 bit support, and now the m1 was the final nail in the coffin haha
theoretically, valve could have saved mac gaming at least partially by porting Proton to macos, however they have decided against it soo
It honestly makes me sad how good M1 is for being a first generation. Cuz apple ethics are not the best and they provide the best experience right now. And I fear how long it will be before everyone catches up.
Look up system76
I fail to see how they provide the best experience. I can buy a computer much cheaper than a M1 mac that also outperforms it. As for macOS, it is nothing i cannot replicate in linux. Apple is the ones who are catching up, but i do not think they ever will since they market their products as a luxury experience, so they get away with selling under powered hardware for lots of money.
I'd like to get a thinkpad or something and put linux on it but the M1 macs seem too good to pass up.
What do you mean about apple's ethics? Why are their practices any worse than other companies?
@@5ystemError Apple is especially anti consumer, anti repair, anti competitive & monopolous etc. I don't think it's that apple is inherently more evil than any other company, but since they are so huge, they can utilize their position at the expense of the consumer & developers. If any other company was to become as huge as them, they would probably start doing the same, since they can. But what's so strange about apple is that even if they do something wrong, they seem to be immune to mass scrutiny. Apple sheep keep buying their shit & supporting their practices.
@@5ystemError every company wants profits and every company will go to extreme lengths for that. It's their market that forces them to make closed ecosystem. Closing ecosystem means having full control even if it is unethical
Nice overview of features on MacOS. I have been a linux user for over 20 years as my primary OS, Opensuse Tumbleweed being the choice of distro with KDE, currently on EliteBook 7840U/32GB/2TB Samsung 990 Pro. For gaming I have Windows PC (5600X/32GB/RTX 3080Ti, just for gaming. MacOS has many many basic features missing, but definitely really well optimised.
Probably the number one reason I am not going to buy an M1 Macbook or even those thin x86 laptops on the PC side of things is that the lack of a user-removable battery is a huge deal breaker. I use my laptop plugged in a lot and if I can't remove the battery it'll stop holding any charge within a year or two at most.
Hey man, thank you for the video! I always dreamt of a very quite and at the same time powerfull laptop and even was seriously considering buying this thing. But linux and FOSS is not about horsepower, convenience, etc., it is about freedom in all sences and for people like me it is also ability to do things i am passionate about. That is why I am still using my 8-years old and noisy Acer laptop (which I schould have replaced by now) even though I can afford buying new laptops every month
Your best bet is either a Thinkpad (if you like them tough) or a Dell. Dell have some very nice models one tick down from the XPS series, I recently got a 16" Dell with a 14-core CPU and I'm extremely happy with it. For a PC laptop it works great, although battery life is like 1 hour and the fan screams if I do anything more than open Notepad. But that's x86 for you. Laptops are replaceable and fragile machines, I don't get why people expect them to last 10 years. Tech moves fast. The benefits of the M architecture greatly outweight any of the negatives for me - the sole exception being lack of PC-level gaming. For that you will always need a lot of energy and a massive fan, no doubts.
What is actually getting me hooked on apple recently is how the XNU/Darwin Kernel works and how well engineered it is, amazing, seems macOS is the perfect balance, I guess filtering telemetry on router should make it 100% usable for me. How do you feel about Apple's telemetry on your device?
I have exactly the same situation. It was fun to use Linux, especially on laptop considering I didn't game on it and just coded or watched YT. However, when I came to select a new one, it turned out there is no better solution than M1 Mac for me, when you search for balance between performance, battery life and build quality.
Great one! An update video on the state of Asahi and maybe even a review of the new Snapdragon X laptops (once those come out) would be awesome.
I work with different notebooks in the last two decades and never really look about the brand or go to a deep dive in technical specs. In my opinion, you should be open to new things. In this case, the new Silicon-based Macs from Apple and his outstanding performance in relation to the power consumption. So far, I have always had a second-hand MacBook or Hackintosh (like one of my Lenovo T420s) and was not ready to pay the huge price for a new Intel-based device direct from Apple.
I got my first new MacBook Pro with M2 three weeks ago, and I am more than enthusiastic about it. Even if I am more than enthusiastic, I don't close myself from other things. This applies to hardware as well as for software, and not worse anywhere. Stay cool, be relaxed and also gives new experiences a chance. Thanks for this pragmatical video without gap blinking. Keep up the good work and regards from Germany, Patrick.
I give the video a like, but just for the good as always quality and your hard work and effort put into it. There are other alternatives to Thinkpads, though.
Like Laptops from Tuxedo or System76, the guys behind Pop! OS btw..
Yeah but the performance on m1 along with the battery life they give is really good with no visible competition as of now
@@soham7510 well there was that intel hybrid CPU but that thing is a dumpster fire lol in terms of performance
This was a fantastic video. The M1 is a game changer and I could see myself going that route if they can get Linux running effortlessly on the M1. That is if I can get over how ugly those things are.
"The M1 is a game changer" ... how? It's just a laptop. Get over yourself :-D
"It turns out that when you vote with your dollar, people who have more dollars get more votes." Great statement!
Bro said he isn't a hardcore linux user and then uses a compiler as a benchmark💀But seriously this is a good video and highlights a lot of the current frustration with windows laptops, and why many of them still feel so archaic in comparison to the mac, even at a similar price range.
> A lot of talk about hardware and how new macs and m1 chips are good
> Almost nothing is said comparing macOS and Linux
> Why then inculde "as a linux user'' in the first place?
As a junior linux and t460p user who recently switched from MBP 15 2017 I totally get the point about the circlejerk-iness of TPad warriors who just can't recognize their similarity to close-minded Apple-heads. Sadly for me, I am a control, customization & privacy freak who has no other budget option accept from t460p and other old-machines. Btw your FTM (finkpad to macbook) transition is also very understandable conserning the priority of your blogger carrier and it's needs. It's really dependent on individual enthusiastic desires. Jedem das Seine, энивей.
UPD: Also a good note in the end about the overall loss of a consumer in term of "choosing" a better option. A better option for now might be a worse option in the past, but it's still "a better option for now".
So you don't therefore think that it might just have something to do with the fact that IBM and Lenovo have been "in bed with Linux" for many years now and make laptops that are usually quite straightforward to install with Linux.
As a Linux user, I consider myself an "engineer", not a "circle jerk" (whatever one of those is anyway in modern "brat-speak"). Thinkpads work well with Linux, Linux does not need "latest and greatest" hardware and older Thinkpads are "built like tanks" and extremely easy and cheap to repair when they go wrong.
If you treat a computer as a "fashion accessory" then go buy Apple. But don't tell me my reasons for using Thinkpads.
My cowardice has been immortalized at 2:26, thanks Wolfgang lol
Ahh, so Wolfgang actually listened to my comment when I told him to make a meme video. Wait. What? He's actually being serious???!!
My 2012 pre Retina dual core MBP is built like a tank, can be upgraded and repaired and it runs Catalina! I followed it up with the quad core 2013 Retina MBP which is built to the same spec, also running Catalina. Classic Macs have for good reason, attained a cult following: cheap, easy to work on and reliable.
Now M1 MacBooks are hitting ~$500 secondhand, they make so much sense as a daily driver.
In terms of performance is the i7-11800H is kind of equivalent. But it draws north of 45W. Instead of 15-27W. And idles at about 1-2W (1000mW). Instead of 58mW.
lol, get a windows laptop running that cpu and a decent GPU and you’ll be able to do something computationally expensive for about 30 minutes before everything starts to stutter
I recently bought my first Mac Book Air last week. I am a long time Linux (System 76) user and have waved that Flag for the greater part of a decade but having been force to a MAC for the past 3 years I finally get it. The hardware, battery life, dependability, track pad, and short cut keys are at the top of the list for. I really dig how seem less my Air Pods connect between my work Mac Book, Air and iPhone. Guess I joined the Apple fan boy circle jerk.
Cheers 😂
M1 is so goated, I think it will go down in history as Apple’s most important chip by far. More important than any smartphone chip they’ve developed, M1 was such a leap ahead intel based MacBooks and Macs and other intel and most AMD machines. I think I’m gonna switch from my 10th Gen i7 Laptop with 1660 Ti to a MacBook Pro with M2 Max, there’s no doubt in my mind right now that this would be one of the most significant tech upgrades I’ll ever make
Same, I think I will switch soon to Macbook 😊
Nothing is better than an M series Mac, unless you want to game. macOS is THE best OS. Has basically all the nice unix-ness of Linux and all the software support of Windows. How hasn’t any other company developed a non shit trackpad yet ?
Btw I run arch on a think pad and don’t have an m series mac yet, but it will be my next machine. The Linux desktop has failed and I’ve given up on it. Dual booting to use Ableton is such a trek
i got a 16 inch macbook m1 with 64gb of ram and shit is goated ngl. performance is super impressive and its super hard to even get the fans going if you tried.
Respect for this honest, very comprehensive review. Kudos to your brilliance.
My biggest criticism of macs has never been their hardware performance, but the walled garden that Apple locks you into. Desktop Linux sucks is probably the only point I would agree with, because it really does. But that would be no reason for me to become dependent on Apple.
I agree, people look at me funny when i say if you give me a free iphone i would sell it cause i don't like the ecosystem as they dont allow me to make an app for it without using a mac, no thanks
I personally won't buy such a laptop as long as it can only run MacOS. I don't really upgrade my laptops. I think most people don't do that these days. So that's not really a downside. The trend to go to SSD only and glued-in battery however is kind of stupid because it makes a lot of good hardware become e-waste. But this is a trend beyond Apple.
I totally agree on the important aspects of a laptop being zero noise, less weight and long battery life. However I think I will be more interested some Risc-V laptops come around. Otherwise I don't need any laptop for the most time anyway.
One question I have though is: Have you ever bought a laptop from a vendor which recommends and supports using Linux on it? Because you said there were always some issues and I think that's somewhat to expect if most vendors don't offer Linux being pre-installed and there isn't any official support given.
There is a Linux distro for m1 mac
Parallels desktop.
@@topmech71running a virtual machine on macos is not the same as actually running an operating system on bare metal
I guess @deepspacecow2 was referring to Asahi Linux. If anyone is wondering, it has come a long way since this video, and now even has GPU acceleration and can run older OpenGL games very well, with work ongoing to support Vulkan and Proton for modern titles
You could just shown the compiling test comparisons, the mic test and the battery life and you would have made your case
Great video as always. Unfortunately no matter what we say, apple won the race to risc architectures and unfortunately have made the most significant hit to wintel I have seen in the last 25 years.
X86 will have a slow painful death, deserving of a system architecture that based its success on closing ppl into its ecosystem. And the same goes for windows. If manufacturers like system76 manage to create good Linux machines with arm or riscV architectures that feel like a finished product that would be amazing. We can only hope
I’m trying to hold out long enough until competitors catch up with the M-series
I can vouch 100% for this video, I'm an iOS dev and I've used a bunch of company issued MBPs and they are hot garbage. literally, the 2014 i7 MBP aluminum case was melting into my work desk. I've had a bunch of laptops, the HP Envy ultrabook, zenbooks, and nothing has matched the M1 Macbook Air. Like I was able to do actual dev work on that a machine, and it was also lightweight, relatively cheap, stayed cool and had a pretty decent battery life. It makes me foam at the mouth that a monopoly so anti-consumer like Apple made THE best laptop, bar none, and that as a consumer I can only sit around and wait until a niche company like Framework releases a comparable ARM machine at like double the retail price.
Honesty I respect you all the more for making this video, you don't mindlessly follow along with the Linux crowd at the expense of your own opinions
i recently also made the switch to the m1 air, and s a gentoo elitist, its pretty nice actually.
As long time fan of this channel, I saw this coming, macos get's the job done for you, so getting one makes sense.
Linux ticks all the boxes for me, trying macos in the past and I couldn't grasp the opinionated window manager... But seeing your video, I might give it a proper try, I do have a 6th gen carbon to slap it on.
You could try yabai or something, that's a decent tiling WM for macOS
There are third party utilities that expand finders window management and even finder itself.
as a former arch user who used it as an autistic teenager as a daily driver and who absolutely fell in love with the command line, i can confidently say that (esp. with brew) i can do almost anything on macos that i can also do on linux, but without the headache of random problems (even though i appreciate that unix-systems are overall very transparent with error messages).
Bjork spotted!!!!
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I believe that upgradeability is less about improving performance and more about repairability. Because as a pro user, whenever I buy a laptop, I generally prefer maxed-out models.
Excellent video, but a lot of the advantages you mention are delivered by the ARM architecture & the specific M1 Macbook chassis.
The performance, battery life, acoustics, port selection, are all directly related to the architecture, of which there is no competitor.
I cannot wait until ARM enters the mainstream laptop segment, we will see these incredible gains across the entire industry.
And you will be free to run a hac-intosh on whatever laptop you choose :P
The advantages are due to optimisation Apple brought to their flavour of the ARM architecture and their OS software. A standard ARM CPU running Windows or Linux for ARM does not exhibit the same extent of performance and efficiency (i.e. battery life) benefits. Do not overlook the huge amount of effort and experience Apple poured into this, it took years to make it happen
I like the hardware but as long as it doesn't support linux I will be sticking with thinkpads
That's it! I'm unsubbin'! Grow a beard, hipster!
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Nah, I feel you. I have tried Linux on the desktop, but it just does not cut it for me. I am waiting for the next gen M1.
Regarding “thinness that nobody asked for”
Uh yeah it looks nicer and it generally means it’s lighter
It's so good that it cannot uninstall a program, and that feeling when you accidentally deleted the wrong app files is extremely frustrating
You can uninstall the default apps on macOS. You'll have to disable SIP to do that, since the base system image is immutable by default.
@@WolfgangsChannel this is the problem, why isn't this done by default, I don't trust those uninstaller as they too have sometimes left app data behind/deleted wrong ones
In windows it's as simple as opening control panel
Immutable base system is a good idea for a lot of reasons, and is done by a lot of other operating systems (e.g. SteamOS, Fedora Silverblue, OpenSUSE MicroOS).
You don't need to use an uninstaller either, just go in the /System/Applications directory and remove the applications that you don't want. Once again though, you'll need to disable System Integrity Protection for that
How long do you have your Air now? I'm still debating with myself if I should get one right now or wait for the next release 🤔
Since April. I also thought about waiting until the new M1X models come out, but ultimately decided to go for it. There are always going to be newer, better and more powerful laptops on the horizon
Using Macbook pro 2018 intel with 4 usb-c ports. 2 ports go for monitors, one to charge, one for a usbc to usb-a for external keyboard, mouse printer, disks, memory sticks etc. The lack of ports on the m1 would be a deal breaker. So would less than 32gb of memory, which comes in handy if you are running docker or other virtualisation things. I will wait until the next gen pro models that fix ports and memory.
@@FriedrichBrunzema The new Macbooks Pros (September? October?) are supposed to bring back some of the I/O (SD, HDMI).
My big quibble with buying an M1 Mac-anything is that the two VM vendors Parallels and VMware have publically stated that they won't support virtualized X86 VMs on the platform. If you're using your Mac as a sysadmin in a corporation, the Pro version of VMware lets you build VMs and deploy them into vCenter. You can do that just as easily with a maxed out Lenovo X86 laptop. If you want to develop terraform, ansible, or puppet code using Virtual Box or VMware VMs, that's still OK. Just don't expect to boot an existing X86 Windows VM to copy stuff off of it. I'm not sure about Docker, minikube, and kubectl but that should probably work so long as the containers are built for ARM rather than X86. Since all this is my prime purpose for owning a system, I'll most likely get a maxed out X86 Mac Mini or build a small Linux box just to do that stuff. The days of my MacPro desktop are numbered.
Absolutely - even though Apple has done a great job with Rosetta 2 and bridging the software gap between ARM64 and x86, there are definitely going to be some use cases that neccesitate having a native x86 device. I still have an x86 desktop for gaming and a separate laptop (Thinkpad T430) for all the Linux stuff.
Thank you. That would destroy my work flow. I always work out of VMs. A laptop without VMs and lots of ZFS is at most a tablet.
I knew it was only a matter of time before this happens.
I had used gentoo linux for over 3 years when I was an undergraduate student. I still remember the days where I emerge the world every night, listening to my cpu making loud noises at midnight while they're compiling everything from source, and i surely had a lot of fun with it since I've learned so much from this process. However, after starting to work, I get so burned out from work and I just don't want to deal with those package dependency bullshit anymore. At this point, I just want something stable enough to help me get my shit done.
I am a full-time Linux user now for about 20 years. I think Macbooks are good for some things, like if I want really good battery life while I am reading an academic paper or doing light writing work. I can do those things fine on my Linux laptop, but not for long if I want to work outside (I do because I have external power backups). But for any kind of heavy load, I would prefer a regular computer with Linux on it. The one thing I hate about Macbook that they actively take measures for you not to be able to repair them and also them being very fragile.
In all honesty, since the M1 chip got released, I tend to like Apple more than Windows. I don't have a problem with Apple in general except the points you already talked about.
Considering that Apple is making devices for people who don't care about tech and just want something that works, it is absolutely fine... although that's probably the reason I'd never use an Apple device... I just cannot stop tinkering around in my arch installation.
Edit: I really hope the RISC-V chips are going to be something very soon...
Linux on M1 is basically mainline now.
Its not about the price, its not about the convenience, its not about the design. Its about libre software, which is why i would never use apple products.
Ive never understood OS loyalty. Ive used linux, macos, android, ios, and windows. They all have their strengths. However, in the 18 years of owning laptops and tablets, its always been the apple products that held the line the longest for me, even when buying used. These new m1 laptops are actually underpriced for how good of a value they are. In fact they’re hurting apples sales because nobody is upgrading.
It's just Richard Stallmans free software radical ideology run amok. Most Linux users don't really care about it, but have convinced themselves because of the FOSS community that it's somehow important. Just use whatever tool you perfer or is best for the job at hand. Limiting oneself based on some arbitrary belief system, for something so simple as a computer operating system is a waste of time.
This reminds me of the good old Motorola 68000 days.
Looks like Apple is back to its good old days except for right-to-repair. Wish Steve could see this and do a critique.
MacOS is objectively providing the worst window manager, tile manager and desktop manager. M2 hardware is pretty great, but the OS, several major fundamental issues, I never felt less productive on anything else comparing to Mac...
Agreed