Quick update on the keyboard Fn keys issue I had: this is actually documented on the Arch wiki. The fix is really easy! :) wiki.archlinux.org/title/Apple_Keyboard#Function_keys_do_not_work
@@tomskitv if they have crackle. it's because of debris. So clean them. If they still don't work, it means the debris has destroyed them, they need replacing.
@@ex-itguyAlso apple isn't that against OCLP, i saw an official forum admin on apple support say that apple doesn't recommend using non apple solutions for blah blah blah (obviously) but that they don't take any action against those that do use it
Monterey didnt deserve to be discontinued. It was the most stable macOS version with the most legacy drivers making opencore better in older macs, anyway nice video!
Maybe, but all newer macOS releases normally get total of 3 years of support, a lot of Ventura's bugs are fixed and same thing for Sonoma, the unfortunate part is that these bugs only really get patched after main software support is over.
I was thinking about switching my mac air 2017 back to catalina, due to the fact its slow as hell with sequoia (without a doubt), catalina is one of my personal favorites due to the design being around for years
@@ex-itguy unfortunately the architecture has changed from x86-64 to ARM, although i still have a macbook air m1 and it still performs just as well as the day I brought it
Seeing it runs the latest MacOS without any issues whatsoever, I feel Apple might be missing out on some MacOS money. I mean, people will buy those M4's anyway so it's not that they would lose any hardware sales. Ah well.
@@ex-itguyi wonder when apple will offer paid software updates. after like 10 years for 9.99/month. that could save a lot of old hardware and would give incentive to upgrade less when its not necessary.
@@nutzeeer I think they are afraid of losing hardware sales on that. But it would sure be nice to keep older hardware running without having to switch OS'es
@@luqmxxxn a little over a year ago I tried to render a 30 minute video for a client, that took way over an hour to render. I was late, so I went to bed with the idea of sending the file to the client the next morning. Instead I found a failed render because the thing went to sleep halfway through the process. I know, that could've been easily avoided, but it was then and there that I decided I needed a faster machine. Not long after, I bought my M2. :)
@@luqmxxxn i have the same 2012 13 and 15" that i still use for light editing, but well, its starts showing the age to be honest. for 720p or 1080p might be just fine for short video, but if you need to edit and process 4K, thats another story.
@@ex-itguy congrats for the M2, its tempting for me too to feel the M series mac, but couldnt lie to my thought then i bought P15 thinkpad for more CAD works and editing. honestly, i miss the powerbook era back then when i was still at college ( damn, im old! )
Thanks! Indeed I've seen those adapters. But to be honest, 128GB is more than enough for me on this laptop. It's not going to run Doom Eternal anyway and I'm not doing any actual work on this one anymore. :) I do have a short SD card (also 128GB) in it that sits flush with the laptop (took it out for this test) so I can store a little bit more. I used that when I actually worked on this one to store my audio projects.
@@ex-itguy I completely understand what you mean. I find myself using platter HDDs or 128GB SSDs on older machines that I like to fire up from time to time. The worst experience was w/ an old Fujitsu that ran a single core Celeron on Windows Vista. I upgraded that to a Core 2 Duo T7200 + 2GB of DDR2 RAM and man it's.... still kind of slow, but in a much-faster-than-the-original-spec kind of way. 720p youtube videos baby! I also love my old 2013 15" MBP. Still works great in Sequoia with OCLP. My wife's old 2009 13" MBP even runs fine with OCLP Sequoia. There's also a HDD caddy that was installed instead of the Superdrive, so it also runs MX Linux on a cheap 128GB Toshiba SSD that was harvested from a broken Thinkpad tablet (RIP). The Thinkpad basically became an organ donor for my daily X230 (panel). Looking forward to more of your videos. Keep it up!
Yep ! I've installed a 512GB Samsung 970 evo, then a 1TB 980 with an adapter and it's working like a charm since 6 years ! I chose the Sintech one since people were saying it's the most reliable one and didn't have any trouble since. The only thing is, coming from Mojave, I had to install Monterey on the og Apple drive because it was apparently the only way to update the firmware that let me update my NVME on to Monterey as well.
@@ex-itguy You know what? After watching this video and talking with you, I realize Linux is probably the best choice for an EOL MacBook. Case in point, I was using OCLP to install Sequoia onto a 2011 A1278 MacBook Pro. Although it works (boots, loads apps, can do normal mac things), the whole non-metal deprecation really messes things up. Although the built-in HD 3000 iGPU on this Sandy Bridge is quite anemic to boot, the fact that nothing is GPU accelerated makes for a TERRRIBLE experience. Firefox is constantly on Webrender (Software). So is IINA (mpv with a nice frontend). Fans spin at any action. It's just a pain in the ass. I set up a live boot of MX Linux that I imaged from my ThinkPad X230, and it's so buttery smooth. As Apple decided to deprecate so many old machines, Linux is absolutely the way to go. Pair this with a github project like Toshy, and you can use your macbook keyboard (shortcuts included) as is!
Why you need to upgrade to a newer macos verse? I still run Monterey in the same 2015 macbook as yours without any issues at all. All of my plugins and softwares still run perfectly fine.
I'm as strong supporter of keepting Tech alive! I have a Dell XPS 15-inch from 2018!...that's running Fedora Linux just fine, and a Huawei Matebook X Pro from 2019 that's running PureOS with ZERO issues!.....let those who don't know any better keep on shelling out money for the latest version of "The Same Thing"...I'll stick with my hardware?....until they die a graceful death, and then?....they go in my wall cabinet of "Tech-I've-Owned"....to let others see the greatness of DIY / And Self Repair!!
My dad gave me his early 2015 macbook pro after my 6 year old gaming laptop gpu bit the dust on November the 1st, 2024. The first thing i did was install mac sequoia and it was the best thing ive ever done, personally i think it ran exactly the same or better on sequoia then it did on monterey and everything works splendid despite it being unsupported. I also login with my apple id and nothing bad has happened to me so I think its safe. Also, only having 121b is strangely small considering my mac has 500gb of storage. Did you change the ssd or is that from factory.
My SSD is the factory default. I chose the 8GB/128GB model 9 years ago with the idea of upgrading later. Little did I know that memory isn't replaceable on those things and the SSD has a proprietary connector (there are adapters, but tbh the 128GB is still enough for me as my data is not on the laptop itself).
Installing random Linux distros until your Wifi works is 100% the recommended way. 😄 But seriously, OCLP is probably the reasonable option for this Macbook right now, and in a few years Linux will become the best way to keep using it.
On Linux on my 2015 MacBook Air, I have sound issues where the audio crackles and distorts when playing demanding games, does your audio distort like that too?
@ThePeter567 No issues with mine. I have been using it quite a bit with the Arch installation I ended the video with and it runs very good. Even have been playing some games with Steam. I don't run it very loud though. Just checked with 'lspci -k' and it simply uses the 'snd_hda_intel' module.
@ex-itguy Maybe something is wrong with the macbook air drivers, also the only distros I tried were ubuntu based so maybe something like Fedora might not have the problem
It is indeed frustrating, I have a late 2013 rMBP 13", and have also used OpenCore back when it was below version 1. It did help to extend the lifespan for a couple of years, I even upgraded the SSD to a 1TB from the default 128GB. However, one day, the laptop crashed, and I never managed to get back my data, and had to reformat everything. Now that I am on Sonama, while it is usable, the experience is not that wonderful. 8GB ram seems to be insufficient for it, and it constantly ran out of memory. I have also swopped the internal battery twice, once in 2020 and another time in 2023. I guess the 2013 macbook pro has reached its end of life.
Well the 2015 one got supported for 9 years, which isn't bad at all tbh. Mine is still fine, no spicy pillow or other issues. If you really want to stick with MacOS I guess there's indeed a practical limit. Running Linux mine sure runs a lot better though! I'm using it for about a week in Arch now and I can honestly say it runs better than it did before. The battery even seems to last longer. Only issue I still have is the SD card. I use a short Transcent card and after sleep it's gone. It only works when I boot without it and plug it in as soon as the OS is loaded. Not a huge issue, but a bit annoying.
I've been using Fedora for a while, and even on older laptops (HP probooks, etc) it detects everything. It even runs pretty well on a mechanical drive. So far, Fedora hasn't let me down in regards to getting it installed on any computer. And it just works.
I have OS 15.2 installed on my 2015 11-inch i7/8GB AIR using OCLP 2.2.0 and have signed on using my Apple ID with no issue. Everything is fully functional as far as I can tell. No issue running any of my apps yet.😁
Interesting! I googled that, and got into the Arch Wiki stating exactly this! Did this: # echo 2 >> /sys/module/hid_apple/parameters/fnmode Woohoooooo! Now I just need to make it permanent. :)
I have had success with a early 2008 MacBook a1181. Only issue I have been trying to resolve is keyboard and mouse and USB inputs. Also attempting to get frame buffer functional on the gpa. Other than that it boots to the desktop. If you get further than me let me know! Good luck!
@@duckcool0789 Is that something only the '08 A1181s can do, or could you also upgrade an 2007 A1181 to Sonoma? When I tried to get Mojave to work on my 2007 A1181 it barely worked. I mean it would be funny to see my A1181 run Sonoma, but I didn't even use it since like 10 years.
I miss my fully maxed out 2015 15" MBP so much everyday.. Such a great computer. I killed by spilling my drink on it 2 years go and hate myself for being an idiot. Now I have 16" M3 Max 36GB but I still miss it. It had the perfect weight, size, ports, keyboard, and layout.
@@Baulder13 Despite being nearly 10 years old it can still run Windows 10 via Parallels, an iPhone simulator, and a Linux virtual server SIMULTANEOUSLY on top of OCLP Sonoma. It'll be a sad day when the last Intel MacOS is no longer supported with security updates.
@@steve-852I tried Sequoia 15.2 on my MBP15 2015 but my terminal prompt takes 2 seconds too load, and ghostty kills the performance especially on mission control. Can you tell me your experience with theses tools if you use them ?
I find Windows is just weird on the 2015 model, even with bootcamp drivers. Sleep can have issues and sometimes there's that weird wheel mid screen during boot.
im in the same boat man. but other than the slowly weakening battery and THERMAL HEAT, id say install linux mint, use OCLP, or both. i did both on my retina 13 inch macBOOk pro from 2015
I feel I get more battery life out of Linux right now, which was a side effect I didn't expect at all (since power modes don't always work right in Linux). No heat issues with mine though.
I am no expert on this but is it possible the reason that Fedora and certain Arch distros worked with your display is because they were using Wayland while the other distros were using x11? I heard Wayland deals better with things like fractional scaling.
The not enough space issue with OCLP, even after deleting old files, it might still keep a snapshot of them. If you went to disk utility you could select Macintosh HD and then press Command+Shift+S. This shows the snapshots stored on the hard drive which you could delete.
To be honest I'm so used to using the terminal that I can't tell you without looking it up haha In a terminal, the df command will tell you how much space you have (dh -h for 'human readable).
Really? I find their website a pain to navigate so I believe I used Distrowatch to download the iso because I just couldn't find it on opensuse.org. I guess I should look harder then. 😄 Edit: check! I don't know how I overlooked that! Still can't find the downloads from their website but using the link on Distrowatch I can just open the live folder...
I have a 2015 Macbook Air that I am using every day for web browsing, word processing and journalling. I am keeping it stuck at Catalina as to me it is the most optimum version that has just the essential features of Mac OS and iOS integration without crawling my Mac. I am double booting it to Windows 10 sometimes which runs much better than the Mac OS so that I can use my Microsoft Office license (rather than buying the Mac license). And.. I have installed Linux on it with great success. I have upgraded the SSD myself and replaced the battery on my own too. I see no other reason NOT to use this laptop in 2024. All that I wanna do now in 2024 can be done with a computer from 9 years ago. It's user upgradable, it has better ports selection and even has an SD card slot that some entry model Macbook now lack. It felt sluggish when it pairs with a newer Mac OS but runs blazing fast with the Mac OS that comes with it. Typical Apple tradition and fact. My only wish for this laptop is that it runs cooler and it runs longer on batteries - which the M processors can help with. other than that, I am keeping this one for longer.
Good old planned obsolescence,Apple and now Microsoft loves to make machines that function well be 'unusable' but Linux comes to the rescue in both cases or clever workarounds to make newer versions of the original OSes work.
In my personal experience with one of these, they were able to handle Ventura when OpenCore Legacy first made a patcher for that macOS version. Any update afterward, namely for Sonoma and beyond, broke functionality in a number of ways.
@ For me, I lost the ability to change the speaker volume using the hotkey buttons (have to go into the control center) & any file I download ends up “damaged” to where I have to run a terminal command as a workaround just to open - it happens even to documents INCLUDING images.
@ It wasn’t happening until I updated the OpenCore since the video graphics driver broke suddenly on the original version originally designed for Ventura somehow. It was working fine otherwise beforehand so I’m confident it isn’t the hardware since I refurbished it myself after being given it for free on the pretense that it was broken
Koop gewoon een nieuwe bro, ik had ook de MacBook Pro 15' maar dan uit 2016. Heeft 8 jaar lang top gewerkt, maar begon langzaam te worden en kreeg ook geen updates meer. Heb nu twee weken de nieuwe M4 pro 16' MacBook Pro. Echt een aanrader, niet normaal wat een upgrade het is. Tuurlijk het kost wat, maar gezien de vorige 8 jaar mee ging, valt het als je het spreid alles mee en geloof me, je gaat echt blij zijn.
@@ex-itguy Ah oké netjes, zal vast ook heel snel zijn en de meeste taken geruisloos uitvoeren. Zat eerst ook te twijfelen of ik een air of een pro zou doen. Ben voor de pro gegaan, maar eigenlijk is het voor mij (tot op heden) overkill, ik weet zeker dat een air ook had volstaan maar misschien voor toekomstige projecten dat de extra kracht van pas kan komen.
Ik ben voor een air gegaan omdat ik die al duur genoeg vond haha Ding is behoorlijk veel sneller inderdaad. Voor audio was mijn oude nog prima maar voor video begon het toch lastiger te worden.
First hit on Google when you search for "Ventoy" 😉 It's an open source project, you need to download the app and use that to create a stick (any stick will do but the bigger the better). There's also an ISO which you can burn to a cd and boot that to create your stick.
So, for KDE, yes and no. You can setup a custom action that treats the key as it would normally behave when in FN mode, then add a custom action that does the opposite when FN is pressed, in essence just reversing the keys, but this is obviously hacky and weird.
Well it might be a solution. Since there's no bios setup on these things you can't set it there so it has to be done in the OS. I'm actually mostly using F12 a lot for that's the default key to open Yakuake and I'm used to pressing that to open a terminal (I had even set F12 to open iTerm in MacOS 😅) Thanks!
@@Phenixzero ah like that. It's about the same as with MacOS. Just browsing the internet the fans don't even seem to turn on. As soon as I launch Steam though... 😅 In macOS that was kinda the same. Open/do something resource heavy and it'll get loud.
Thanks for the video, it is very interesting. I tried both Fedora 40 and Debian 12 in a "legacy" 2017 Macbook Air and found the same issue regarding the webcam. The wifi was also kind of spotty in Fedora but worked out of the box in Debian. Even though I don't care much for the webcam I'll be happy to try your suggestion.
some people think using open core legacy patcher is illegal but it's not because you can download the latest versions of macOS from Apple's website for free so it's impossible for that to be illegal if the software is free to begin with.
Grey area I guess. In the past Apple sold MacOS separately. Today it's bound to a device as a "free" download. It's not free though, as it's only to be used with a supported device.
You don't have to delete the whole harddrive to upgrade from Mojave. I had the same problem serveral times, even when I had 120GB "free". The trick ist to delete the APFS Snapshots in disk management. You have to make the view from only volumes to all devices to see the apfs snapshots on the bottom. After that there is enough space.
hey IT guy! I wanted to ask that if you have some upcoming projects or works for this laptop or you're just gonna keep it in your storage. If by any means you have no use for this Can I have it?
I have one running 15.1.1 just fine check out open core legacy booter. I do have an M1 and with the prices falling and the entry level M4 at its price point it would be a good time to pull the trigger on a new(er) one.
i have a early 2008 macbook pro running monterrey and it runs fine enough, its a shame they removed the usb 1.1 support on ventura, its the only reason why i stuck with monterrey
@@ex-itguy from what i head yeah, you need to use a usb dongle to usb 2 for some stuff to work or something like that, its a shame really cause for what i use it it still great, im using it rn to type this lol
0:53 Trust me, I use this on my 2011 mac mini and it works absolutely GREAT, accept for slow start up times. May need to upgrade your hdd to a ssd. Just saying.
3:43 I signed in just fine, no issues, apple does not care, as it is your device and they cannot stop you. It's not illegal to update a "out of date" device using other software. I don't get why people are calling this "illegal."
Not sure if you can run Windows 11 on Apple Silicon. Not going to try it on my M2 haha Rolling back should be just downloading the installer of an older version, put it on s stick and reinstall using that.
Dank je wel! Ik denk dat elke Linux distro wel prima moet werken, maar persoonlijk vind ik Arch best fijn op deze laptop inderdaad! Ik laat het er nog even op staan, kijken hoe het bevalt. Ik gebruik het ding nog meermalen per week. :)
Nice, wide os compatibility that's one of the many upsides of the intel mac computers it seems. Everyone talks about how great the m series ones are and how fast they are, but that does not matter when your SSD will die after a few years and you can't even boot externally since the bios is on the internal drive. Those m series ones are designed to be disposable sadly.
@@ex-itguy I think those can boot from USB though I am not totally sure. the problem I was talking about was that the bios is on the SSD so when it fails then it can't boot into anything so it is bricked due to no bios. I should have clarified that. Louis Rossman spoke about it in a video I think. I remembered it because I was looking at one of those M1 air models because of the battery life, but when I found out that the SSD and ram are soldered and tied to the device I just got a normal laptop. they could make the most powerful and longest battery laptop but if it is doomed to fail with soldered on SSD then it is worthless. I like to keep stuff for a long long time so that put me off apple laptops.
That's really bad. I hope it doesn't happen... Tbh I looked at buying a Linux laptop when I needed something faster, but the fact that I'm using iZoptope audio plugins for which there's no good alternative I bought myself a new Mac. Those only run on Windows and MacOS and I'm not going to work on Windows haha
@@ex-itguy Yeah understandable, windows 10 and 11 are real bad and lot of stuff only work on win or mac. I just wanted to warn you since I was also looking at arm powered mac until I dug deeper to find out how restrictive the hardware is and some of the scetchy things in mac os that are being added. I hope the SSD lasts long in yours, maybe use external storage as much as possible to save wear on the SSD. Anyway thanks for uploading cool videos!
@@Compact-Disc_700mb Ah well, it's over a year old by now. Can't really return it 😆 I'll keep trying to get my audio stuff working on Linux though. In another video I even had an iZoptope plugin running by the way. It's just the licensing part that doesn't work. Can't login to prove I paid for it so I'm stuck with a 14 day trial.
Been running Sonoma with OCLP on my 2014 MBP 15” i7 2.5ghz with Nvidia card almost daily and now use it side by side with my base m2 Mac mini I snagged. … Runs way better than any decade old machine should and I wished apple didnt drop support. Will eventually swap over to Linux when Apple drops intel support.
@@ex-itguy No, I mean ARM-based Macs. When Apple starts abandoning M1, then M2 etc. ARM-based solutions are typically much more closed than x86 ones. ARM made sense for Apple because they could license and customize ARM designs, whereas in case of x86 they had to use off-shelf Intel's solutions. But for end-users willing to use their Macs past support end, ARM is bad news., since 3rd party OSes may never be able to support those systems properly.
Right, like that! Well there's already at least one Linux distro (Asahi) for those machines and I believe you can even run Windows on them as well so I wouldn't worry about that too much.
I also have a 2015 MBP but with 16 GB of RAM and also installed Sequoia with OCLP. It runs but way worse than under Monterey. I think Apple will drop the support for Intel Macs very soon so the Linux option is really one to consider.
Interesting. I didn't test it extensively with Sequoia but it felt about the same as before. Linux sure runs a bit faster though. I also expect Apple to drop Intel support soon. Wouldn't surprise me as Sequoia is the last version to support Intel macs.
@@ex-itguyI don’t think it will be the last, as Apple released Intel Macs as recently 2020, and still currently support models as old as 2017, so I think there will be at least another couple of versions to support Intel
@@ex-itguy To be precise: It seems that the graphics drivers/kexts for the integrated graphics are the cause. This happens in Chrome, Spotify, Adobe programs with GPU support. Maybe it would run better if I chose a MBP with discrete graphics?
I was going to say, try installing windows 7 on this bad boy.... It's harder than you think, but it makes a super fun video, and I've done it, so I can help
Call me crazy, but I do most of my computer work in chrome, so in my mind, as long as a computer gets chrome updates, which Monterey still does, it is still supported. Once chrome updates stop, the computer will be useless within 2 years.
Honestly I don’t care what Apple says. I have a 2013 MacBook Air 11 inch which runs MacOS Big Sur and it lost support last September. Even then it still runs quite fast on Big Sur and I can still perform everyday tasks on it. That too my model has the i5 processor from the haswell generation and 8gb ram (not 4gb ram) so it’s very useable. I have thought about using OpenCore but honestly Big Sur still supports everything I use.
Its normal , that thing is 10 years old. Even servers have 5 year maximum warranty + up 5 extentions. The old hardware cant keep up with modern software. 5 Years is the industry standard support for both hardware and software. Remember that we used to run the web on windows 98 and xp that only had up to 128mb of ram and that was considered luxury? Firefox is currently taking 3GBs alone. Modern programs are to heavy and need more powerfull hardware. Not only that , you have silcon degradation.
For a 9 year old machine it holds up really well today though. 8Gb is still enough for not too resource heavy stuff. Not saying Apple has to keep supporting it, but it seems wasteful to bring a perfectly fine machine to a landfill.
An enjoyable video!👍👍 Perhaps you could install Linux Mint Mate version, it works well on my 2008 MBP., it even found the correct driver for the Mac WiFi, which can be installed via the notifications tab or driver manager, being from 2008 the computer does have an Ethernet port, but only two USB., ports and they are both on the same side, unfortunately the CPU., is soldered to the MB., but the ram and the drive are removable. I prefer computers which are designed for maintenance though and the HP ProBook 6560b and 6570b are well designed for maintenance, there are two slides on the bottom, one of which releases the battery and the other releases the bottom cover and then everything is accessible and they have socketed CPUs..
Thanks! I expect Mint to do as well as other distros I tried. I mean, in the end they're all using the same kernel, drivers, etc. This 2015 MBP is not very upgradeable. You can change the SSD for an NVMe using an adapter, but that's about it. Even the memory is soldered on.
@@ex-itguy In my opinion, Apple are creating e-waste these days, having said that, dosdude1 is able to repair and upgrade even the most modern Macs, but not everyone has that ability or the required equipment.
@@ex-itguy My previous reply disappeared so I shall try again, in my opinion, Apple are creating e-waste by making their current products non upgradeable.
Quick update on the keyboard Fn keys issue I had: this is actually documented on the Arch wiki. The fix is really easy! :)
wiki.archlinux.org/title/Apple_Keyboard#Function_keys_do_not_work
I thought the speaker crackle issue was wider spread?
@tomskitv I haven't heard of that. No speaker issues here. :)
@@tomskitv if they have crackle. it's because of debris. So clean them. If they still don't work, it means the debris has destroyed them, they need replacing.
It is safe to use your Apple ID, the serial number on your machine isn't spoofed so it won't trigger Apple like it would on a Hackintosh.
Good to know!
MMMM you use the parch of open core lengeny ,if you want salve you machine ,are for old macbook and MacOS 2007-2017
@@ex-itguyAlso apple isn't that against OCLP, i saw an official forum admin on apple support say that apple doesn't recommend using non apple solutions for blah blah blah (obviously) but that they don't take any action against those that do use it
even on my hackintoshes apple doesn't really care
@ that’s likely because you already have a real Apple device connected to your ID
Monterey didnt deserve to be discontinued. It was the most stable macOS version with the most legacy drivers making opencore better in older macs, anyway nice video!
Thanks! I actually hadn't tried opencore before. People pointed me to that on my Mac Pro video a while ago but it wasn't an option on the 1,1.
Do you recommend a newer version that still can be patched and works alright on older Macs? 2011-2015 ish
Maybe, but all newer macOS releases normally get total of 3 years of support, a lot of Ventura's bugs are fixed and same thing for Sonoma, the unfortunate part is that these bugs only really get patched after main software support is over.
I was thinking about switching my mac air 2017 back to catalina, due to the fact its slow as hell with sequoia (without a doubt), catalina is one of my personal favorites due to the design being around for years
It's a move from Apple to push along their Intel-based Macs into obsolescence
9 years of support is really generous to be honest
True, there's actually nothing to complain about. Would be nice if one could _buy_ updates though.
@@ex-itguy unfortunately the architecture has changed from x86-64 to ARM, although i still have a macbook air m1 and it still performs just as well as the day I brought it
that intro jingle alone warrant you at least 100K sub
Thanks! That would be pretty cool haha
But what do we say to apple ? “stfu”
Seeing it runs the latest MacOS without any issues whatsoever, I feel Apple might be missing out on some MacOS money. I mean, people will buy those M4's anyway so it's not that they would lose any hardware sales. Ah well.
@@ex-itguyi wonder when apple will offer paid software updates. after like 10 years for 9.99/month. that could save a lot of old hardware and would give incentive to upgrade less when its not necessary.
@@nutzeeer I think they are afraid of losing hardware sales on that. But it would sure be nice to keep older hardware running without having to switch OS'es
How many OS updates do manufacturers that sell Android devices provide?
@@nutzeeerthe OS used to cost money, now it’s free and has been free for several years.
Core Legacy Patcher is your friend. Still running the 15 inch version here in 2024.
Its a great device isn't it?
No stupid T2 chip or garbage firmware, no fuss.
My friend has a 2013 macbook and it’s still insane. Decent for everything even though it’s so old.
I'm still using this one quite often and would even still use it to daily drive is it wasn't for video editing. 🙂
im using mac 2012 with Sequoia. Mainly use is for video editing, web dev & music prod with FL studio. Works well with no problem 😂
@@luqmxxxn a little over a year ago I tried to render a 30 minute video for a client, that took way over an hour to render. I was late, so I went to bed with the idea of sending the file to the client the next morning. Instead I found a failed render because the thing went to sleep halfway through the process.
I know, that could've been easily avoided, but it was then and there that I decided I needed a faster machine. Not long after, I bought my M2. :)
@@luqmxxxn i have the same 2012 13 and 15" that i still use for light editing, but well, its starts showing the age to be honest.
for 720p or 1080p might be just fine for short video, but if you need to edit and process 4K, thats another story.
@@ex-itguy congrats for the M2, its tempting for me too to feel the M series mac, but couldnt lie to my thought then i bought P15 thinkpad for more CAD works and editing.
honestly, i miss the powerbook era back then when i was still at college ( damn, im old! )
I think the 2015 models can accept an NVMe with a little adapter. Works well! I like your videos my friend.
Thanks! Indeed I've seen those adapters. But to be honest, 128GB is more than enough for me on this laptop. It's not going to run Doom Eternal anyway and I'm not doing any actual work on this one anymore. :)
I do have a short SD card (also 128GB) in it that sits flush with the laptop (took it out for this test) so I can store a little bit more. I used that when I actually worked on this one to store my audio projects.
@@ex-itguy I completely understand what you mean. I find myself using platter HDDs or 128GB SSDs on older machines that I like to fire up from time to time. The worst experience was w/ an old Fujitsu that ran a single core Celeron on Windows Vista. I upgraded that to a Core 2 Duo T7200 + 2GB of DDR2 RAM and man it's.... still kind of slow, but in a much-faster-than-the-original-spec kind of way. 720p youtube videos baby!
I also love my old 2013 15" MBP. Still works great in Sequoia with OCLP. My wife's old 2009 13" MBP even runs fine with OCLP Sequoia. There's also a HDD caddy that was installed instead of the Superdrive, so it also runs MX Linux on a cheap 128GB Toshiba SSD that was harvested from a broken Thinkpad tablet (RIP). The Thinkpad basically became an organ donor for my daily X230 (panel).
Looking forward to more of your videos. Keep it up!
Yep ! I've installed a 512GB Samsung 970 evo, then a 1TB 980 with an adapter and it's working like a charm since 6 years !
I chose the Sintech one since people were saying it's the most reliable one and didn't have any trouble since.
The only thing is, coming from Mojave, I had to install Monterey on the og Apple drive because it was apparently the only way to update the firmware that let me update my NVME on to Monterey as well.
Same for models up to the mid 2017
@@ex-itguy You know what? After watching this video and talking with you, I realize Linux is probably the best choice for an EOL MacBook. Case in point, I was using OCLP to install Sequoia onto a 2011 A1278 MacBook Pro. Although it works (boots, loads apps, can do normal mac things), the whole non-metal deprecation really messes things up. Although the built-in HD 3000 iGPU on this Sandy Bridge is quite anemic to boot, the fact that nothing is GPU accelerated makes for a TERRRIBLE experience. Firefox is constantly on Webrender (Software). So is IINA (mpv with a nice frontend). Fans spin at any action. It's just a pain in the ass. I set up a live boot of MX Linux that I imaged from my ThinkPad X230, and it's so buttery smooth. As Apple decided to deprecate so many old machines, Linux is absolutely the way to go. Pair this with a github project like Toshy, and you can use your macbook keyboard (shortcuts included) as is!
I'm typinng from my 13" 2015 Macbook Pro. Wonderful 9 years together, accompanied me through different eras of my life. Goodbye my friend.
I run Sonoma with OCLP on 3 different Macs, I wonder why people doesn't install Sonoma and wait for Sequoia and OCLP to mature first...
Idk, I figured I'd just try the latest because that's the one that will be supported longest. Seemed to work just fine though.
Why you need to upgrade to a newer macos verse? I still run Monterey in the same 2015 macbook as yours without any issues at all. All of my plugins and softwares still run perfectly fine.
Because it's unsupported. You won't get any security updates for Monterey anymore.
Welcome to the club, 2013 MacBook Pro 😔
not enough space that will teach him for not going with a huge drive on his mac🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
After distro hopping for years, I finally settled on Arch a couple of years ago and now use it on every machine I own btw.
I might keep it on here as well, it works really well!
"btw" 😭
arch btw
distro hopping seems so dumb to me. half of the differences seem to be purely cosmetic.
what arch distro?
If I had an old mac I would use Hackingtosh or Linux(as a linux user) , no way I'm using windows on mac.
Good video btw!
Me neither, but I thought it was fun to try for the sake of the video. No way I'm going to use that on any of my machines haha
Windows Laptops: Upgrade to windows 11 (if you can)
MacOS laptops: Upgrade your entire laptop for just $1000
I'm as strong supporter of keepting Tech alive! I have a Dell XPS 15-inch from 2018!...that's running Fedora Linux just fine, and a Huawei Matebook X Pro from 2019 that's running PureOS with ZERO issues!.....let those who don't know any better keep on shelling out money for the latest version of "The Same Thing"...I'll stick with my hardware?....until they die a graceful death, and then?....they go in my wall cabinet of "Tech-I've-Owned"....to let others see the greatness of DIY / And Self Repair!!
you know he's desperate to install windows on his mac🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
My dad gave me his early 2015 macbook pro after my 6 year old gaming laptop gpu bit the dust on November the 1st, 2024. The first thing i did was install mac sequoia and it was the best thing ive ever done, personally i think it ran exactly the same or better on sequoia then it did on monterey and everything works splendid despite it being unsupported. I also login with my apple id and nothing bad has happened to me so I think its safe.
Also, only having 121b is strangely small considering my mac has 500gb of storage. Did you change the ssd or is that from factory.
My SSD is the factory default. I chose the 8GB/128GB model 9 years ago with the idea of upgrading later. Little did I know that memory isn't replaceable on those things and the SSD has a proprietary connector (there are adapters, but tbh the 128GB is still enough for me as my data is not on the laptop itself).
Installing random Linux distros until your Wifi works is 100% the recommended way. 😄
But seriously, OCLP is probably the reasonable option for this Macbook right now, and in a few years Linux will become the best way to keep using it.
I kept Arch on it and have been using it quite a bit. Pretty happy with it to be honest. The battery even seems to last longer!
On Linux on my 2015 MacBook Air, I have sound issues where the audio crackles and distorts when playing demanding games, does your audio distort like that too?
@ThePeter567 No issues with mine. I have been using it quite a bit with the Arch installation I ended the video with and it runs very good. Even have been playing some games with Steam. I don't run it very loud though.
Just checked with 'lspci -k' and it simply uses the 'snd_hda_intel' module.
@ex-itguy Maybe something is wrong with the macbook air drivers, also the only distros I tried were ubuntu based so maybe something like Fedora might not have the problem
It is indeed frustrating, I have a late 2013 rMBP 13", and have also used OpenCore back when it was below version 1. It did help to extend the lifespan for a couple of years, I even upgraded the SSD to a 1TB from the default 128GB.
However, one day, the laptop crashed, and I never managed to get back my data, and had to reformat everything.
Now that I am on Sonama, while it is usable, the experience is not that wonderful. 8GB ram seems to be insufficient for it, and it constantly ran out of memory. I have also swopped the internal battery twice, once in 2020 and another time in 2023.
I guess the 2013 macbook pro has reached its end of life.
Well the 2015 one got supported for 9 years, which isn't bad at all tbh. Mine is still fine, no spicy pillow or other issues.
If you really want to stick with MacOS I guess there's indeed a practical limit.
Running Linux mine sure runs a lot better though! I'm using it for about a week in Arch now and I can honestly say it runs better than it did before. The battery even seems to last longer. Only issue I still have is the SD card. I use a short Transcent card and after sleep it's gone. It only works when I boot without it and plug it in as soon as the OS is loaded. Not a huge issue, but a bit annoying.
I've been using Fedora for a while, and even on older laptops (HP probooks, etc) it detects everything. It even runs pretty well on a mechanical drive. So far, Fedora hasn't let me down in regards to getting it installed on any computer. And it just works.
It worked fine here as well, apart from the webcam which would be fixable using the same driver I installed on arch. :)
I have a 2020 intel macbook pro 13 inch but it kinda feels slow running latest mac is it worth trying linux
Yeahhh try asahi😊
@ on intel?
Windows 11 worked because Ventoy already has those workaround/hacks placed in.
Really? Oops 😆
I have OS 15.2 installed on my 2015 11-inch i7/8GB AIR using OCLP 2.2.0 and have signed on using my Apple ID with no issue. Everything is fully functional as far as I can tell. No issue running any of my apps yet.😁
I completely replaced Mac OS with Windows 10 IoT on my 2017 iMac. It flies through tasks and boots way faster now, lol
watched the whole video without skipping, great content!
That's awesome! Thanks!
You might be able to get the desired performance on Arch with the function keys by enabling Fn-lock
Interesting!
I googled that, and got into the Arch Wiki stating exactly this!
Did this:
# echo 2 >> /sys/module/hid_apple/parameters/fnmode
Woohoooooo!
Now I just need to make it permanent. :)
@@ex-itguy glad I could help :)
When I get my A1181,I would try to install Sequoia,and document the whole process
I'd love to see that one run the Sequoia!
I have had success with a early 2008 MacBook a1181. Only issue I have been trying to resolve is keyboard and mouse and USB inputs. Also attempting to get frame buffer functional on the gpa. Other than that it boots to the desktop. If you get further than me let me know! Good luck!
@@duckcool0789try using a hub that supports USB 2.0
@@duckcool0789 Is that something only the '08 A1181s can do, or could you also upgrade an 2007 A1181 to Sonoma? When I tried to get Mojave to work on my 2007 A1181 it barely worked. I mean it would be funny to see my A1181 run Sonoma, but I didn't even use it since like 10 years.
I like your humor and combined with the fact that I am also a computer technician, the result is enjoyable. 😅
Thanks! 😄
2015 15" MacBook Pro is still my daily driver for app development using OCLP. Perfectly good machines.
I miss my fully maxed out 2015 15" MBP so much everyday.. Such a great computer. I killed by spilling my drink on it 2 years go and hate myself for being an idiot.
Now I have 16" M3 Max 36GB but I still miss it. It had the perfect weight, size, ports, keyboard, and layout.
@@Baulder13 Despite being nearly 10 years old it can still run Windows 10 via Parallels, an iPhone simulator, and a Linux virtual server SIMULTANEOUSLY on top of OCLP Sonoma. It'll be a sad day when the last Intel MacOS is no longer supported with security updates.
@@steve-852I tried Sequoia 15.2 on my MBP15 2015 but my terminal prompt takes 2 seconds too load, and ghostty kills the performance especially on mission control. Can you tell me your experience with theses tools if you use them ?
@@alp50ae I don't use ghostty, but Terminal has always worked fine for me. Perhaps your ghosttly has something to do with it?
Wow. Times flies I remember trying to do this on MacBook 2008 to upgrade to Mac OS X capitán. While this MacBook pros were running the latest software
Hey good day. How did you make a functionally windows 11 bootable USB stick without tpm limit? Thanks for sharing your journey.
I didn't realize that I circumvented the tpm check. I just copied the iso on my Ventoy stick, apparently Ventoy does that automatically.
I find Windows is just weird on the 2015 model, even with bootcamp drivers. Sleep can have issues and sometimes there's that weird wheel mid screen during boot.
Hmm, I didn't thoroughly test it but I haven't seen those issues.
@@ex-itguy I found it would happen on 3 different MacBookPro12,1s after a few reboots between Windows and macOS
It’s going on 10 years old. 8-10 years is the standard lifespan for a laptop.
True, not really anything to complain about. :)
Damn! Great video!!! You should try installing windows or linux on that mac next!
Damn, shoud've finished watching the video before commenting XDDD
🤣
im in the same boat man. but other than the slowly weakening battery and THERMAL HEAT, id say install linux mint, use OCLP, or both. i did both on my retina 13 inch macBOOk pro from 2015
I feel I get more battery life out of Linux right now, which was a side effect I didn't expect at all (since power modes don't always work right in Linux). No heat issues with mine though.
I am no expert on this but is it possible the reason that Fedora and certain Arch distros worked with your display is because they were using Wayland while the other distros were using x11? I heard Wayland deals better with things like fractional scaling.
No, most are using Wayland and scale just fine after I configure it. It's just that those two somehow auto-configure it on a high dpi screen.
For Windows drivers use bootcamp on mac and download the support pack then put on a USB for later.
Yes, if you didn't wipe your whole MacOS install you can do that. 😉
I also have a 2015 Macbook! i did this also, it was surprising how it actually worked decent
What are you running now? I'm quite content with the Arch installation from the end of this video. Have been using it quite a bit since. :)
The not enough space issue with OCLP, even after deleting old files, it might still keep a snapshot of them. If you went to disk utility you could select Macintosh HD and then press Command+Shift+S. This shows the snapshots stored on the hard drive which you could delete.
That's what another commenter said as well. Makes sense. Shows I'm a total n00b 😆
That is one thing idont like about mac linux, its not that easy to know how much free space you have and how to clear it
To be honest I'm so used to using the terminal that I can't tell you without looking it up haha
In a terminal, the df command will tell you how much space you have (dh -h for 'human readable).
Where can I play the retro game that appears at minute 7'0"?
It's not a retro game haha, it's something stupid I made for my website (exitguy dot nl). I haven't even finished it yet. :)
10:32 - OpenSUSE has live session ISOs
Really? I find their website a pain to navigate so I believe I used Distrowatch to download the iso because I just couldn't find it on opensuse.org. I guess I should look harder then. 😄
Edit: check! I don't know how I overlooked that!
Still can't find the downloads from their website but using the link on Distrowatch I can just open the live folder...
I have a 2015 Macbook Air that I am using every day for web browsing, word processing and journalling. I am keeping it stuck at Catalina as to me it is the most optimum version that has just the essential features of Mac OS and iOS integration without crawling my Mac.
I am double booting it to Windows 10 sometimes which runs much better than the Mac OS so that I can use my Microsoft Office license (rather than buying the Mac license). And.. I have installed Linux on it with great success.
I have upgraded the SSD myself and replaced the battery on my own too.
I see no other reason NOT to use this laptop in 2024. All that I wanna do now in 2024 can be done with a computer from 9 years ago. It's user upgradable, it has better ports selection and even has an SD card slot that some entry model Macbook now lack.
It felt sluggish when it pairs with a newer Mac OS but runs blazing fast with the Mac OS that comes with it. Typical Apple tradition and fact.
My only wish for this laptop is that it runs cooler and it runs longer on batteries - which the M processors can help with.
other than that, I am keeping this one for longer.
It sure are great machines, and indeed my M2 Air only has two usb-c ports and a mini jack... so I really need to use a dock with that one.
I upgraded a 2011 Air using OpenCore and have been logged in with my Apple ID ever since. Zero issues, reclaimed iMesage, Facetime etc etc.
Good to know! Thanks for sharing!
kan je ook de gewone media creation tool gebruiken? voor windows 11?
Wat bedoel je precies?
Good old planned obsolescence,Apple and now Microsoft loves to make machines that function well be 'unusable' but Linux comes to the rescue in both cases or clever workarounds to make newer versions of the original OSes work.
In my personal experience with one of these, they were able to handle Ventura when OpenCore Legacy first made a patcher for that macOS version. Any update afterward, namely for Sonoma and beyond, broke functionality in a number of ways.
Everything seemed to work fine, but I haven't tested it thoroughly to be honest.
@ For me, I lost the ability to change the speaker volume using the hotkey buttons (have to go into the control center) & any file I download ends up “damaged” to where I have to run a terminal command as a workaround just to open - it happens even to documents INCLUDING images.
@@damian9303 oof, that's not good. That doesn't happen on any other OS? Sure the machine isn't bad?
@ It wasn’t happening until I updated the OpenCore since the video graphics driver broke suddenly on the original version originally designed for Ventura somehow. It was working fine otherwise beforehand so I’m confident it isn’t the hardware since I refurbished it myself after being given it for free on the pretense that it was broken
Koop gewoon een nieuwe bro, ik had ook de MacBook Pro 15' maar dan uit 2016. Heeft 8 jaar lang top gewerkt, maar begon langzaam te worden en kreeg ook geen updates meer. Heb nu twee weken de nieuwe M4 pro 16' MacBook Pro. Echt een aanrader, niet normaal wat een upgrade het is. Tuurlijk het kost wat, maar gezien de vorige 8 jaar mee ging, valt het als je het spreid alles mee en geloof me, je gaat echt blij zijn.
Ik heb al een nieuwe ;)
Vorig jaar een M2 air gekocht. Maar deze gebruik ik nog regelmatig in de woonkamer, dan kan de M2 in de studio blijven liggen.
@@ex-itguy Ah oké netjes, zal vast ook heel snel zijn en de meeste taken geruisloos uitvoeren. Zat eerst ook te twijfelen of ik een air of een pro zou doen. Ben voor de pro gegaan, maar eigenlijk is het voor mij (tot op heden) overkill, ik weet zeker dat een air ook had volstaan maar misschien voor toekomstige projecten dat de extra kracht van pas kan komen.
Ik ben voor een air gegaan omdat ik die al duur genoeg vond haha
Ding is behoorlijk veel sneller inderdaad. Voor audio was mijn oude nog prima maar voor video begon het toch lastiger te worden.
my macOS ended support at macOS Catalina now I can't upgrade to Big Sur
Not even work OpenCore?
Can someone give me the file for the ventoy usb stick pls
First hit on Google when you search for "Ventoy" 😉
It's an open source project, you need to download the app and use that to create a stick (any stick will do but the bigger the better). There's also an ISO which you can burn to a cd and boot that to create your stick.
So, for KDE, yes and no. You can setup a custom action that treats the key as it would normally behave when in FN mode, then add a custom action that does the opposite when FN is pressed, in essence just reversing the keys, but this is obviously hacky and weird.
Well it might be a solution. Since there's no bios setup on these things you can't set it there so it has to be done in the OS. I'm actually mostly using F12 a lot for that's the default key to open Yakuake and I'm used to pressing that to open a terminal (I had even set F12 to open iTerm in MacOS 😅)
Thanks!
I had an old iMac 7 so I upgraded the memory from 2M to 4 and installed Debian. Works Great.
What are the games at the end? I recognize doom and arcade paradose
The other one's were One Million Fatal Guns, and FlatOut.
@ex-itguy thank you!
its working, but I cant help but wonder the cooling
What about that? I'm using mine with arch since this video came out and I don't have any issues. :)
@ nice, cause my 2015 MacBook Pro does heat up quite a bit, so I have wonder how does your machine handles
@@Phenixzero ah like that. It's about the same as with MacOS. Just browsing the internet the fans don't even seem to turn on. As soon as I launch Steam though... 😅
In macOS that was kinda the same. Open/do something resource heavy and it'll get loud.
bro what are some of those distros u used??? never heard of them
I mentioned the names of each of them. They're all pretty big distros though. :)
You can always run Mac OS as on unsupported hardware
Well not always, but this seemed to work fine
I’ve had my laptop almost three years and never updated the OS. Works fine the way it is.
Until it gets infected by something through a hole that was patched two years ago. 😄
Thanks for the video, it is very interesting. I tried both Fedora 40 and Debian 12 in a "legacy" 2017 Macbook Air and found the same issue regarding the webcam. The wifi was also kind of spotty in Fedora but worked out of the box in Debian. Even though I don't care much for the webcam I'll be happy to try your suggestion.
I believe Apple has used the same webcam for quite some time. Good chance this driver works on yours too. :)
tf you mean "legal way" to upgrade, its your device do whatever you want??
some people think using open core legacy patcher is illegal but it's not because you can download the latest versions of macOS from Apple's website for free so it's impossible for that to be illegal if the software is free to begin with.
Grey area I guess. In the past Apple sold MacOS separately. Today it's bound to a device as a "free" download.
It's not free though, as it's only to be used with a supported device.
Nobody with a single functioning brain cell cares what a corporation considers 'legal'
We do wtf we want.
@@ex-itguy To be downloaded, used, and distributed as we please.
I've made a lot of money slapping Windows onto USB sticks.
You don't have to delete the whole harddrive to upgrade from Mojave. I had the same problem serveral times, even when I had 120GB "free". The trick ist to delete the APFS Snapshots in disk management. You have to make the view from only volumes to all devices to see the apfs snapshots on the bottom. After that there is enough space.
Richt! That makes sense!
I use my Apple ID on my mid-2012 MBP on OpenCore sequoia 16, perfectly fine.
Good to know! ☺️
I have few machines that don’t support current configuration so I’m installing some other os
saying they care about the environment and then trying to get people to buy a new thing every year,
I use a late 2015 MacBook Pro with 500 GB and I am sad that some apps don’t work anymore but there still isn’t really a problem yet
True, but it can become a security disaster quite quickly as you won't get any security updates anymore.
@@ex-itguy oh yeah
I use imac 2013, still works.
hey IT guy! I wanted to ask that if you have some upcoming projects or works for this laptop or you're just gonna keep it in your storage. If by any means you have no use for this Can I have it?
Haha, no you can't have it sorry. ;)
It's my previous laptop which I still quite often use. :)
I have one running 15.1.1 just fine check out open core legacy booter. I do have an M1 and with the prices falling and the entry level M4 at its price point it would be a good time to pull the trigger on a new(er) one.
Open Core is the first thing I show in the video haha
I already have an M2 air, but this one I still use regularly in the living room. :)
OpenCore works surprisingly good
Way easier than I expected it to be!
i have a early 2008 macbook pro running monterrey and it runs fine enough, its a shame they removed the usb 1.1 support on ventura, its the only reason why i stuck with monterrey
Did they? That's even worse than removing 32 bit support (which is why gaming is such an issue on MacOS...)
@@ex-itguy from what i head yeah, you need to use a usb dongle to usb 2 for some stuff to work or something like that, its a shame really cause for what i use it it still great, im using it rn to type this lol
0:53 Trust me, I use this on my 2011 mac mini and it works absolutely GREAT, accept for slow start up times. May need to upgrade your hdd to a ssd. Just saying.
3:43 I signed in just fine, no issues, apple does not care, as it is your device and they cannot stop you. It's not illegal to update a "out of date" device using other software. I don't get why people are calling this "illegal."
2015 MBP has an ssd by default
Can i do this on my M1 MacBook?
What exactly?
@ rolling back to older version of macOS or windows 11?
Not sure if you can run Windows 11 on Apple Silicon. Not going to try it on my M2 haha
Rolling back should be just downloading the installer of an older version, put it on s stick and reinstall using that.
My 2012 Macbook Pro still works fine. Just use it, don’t whine.
on windows normally its fn and esc key that fixes it normally
Tried that but it doesn't work. It can be fixed in the driver though. Link in the description and pinned comment. :)
i had a 12,1 a few months ago :3 ran 13.6.1 via OpenCore Legacy Patcher
Leuke video! Ik denk dat Arch Linux de beste optie is hier, aangezien Windows 11 best wat bugs kan hebben soms 😅
Dank je wel! Ik denk dat elke Linux distro wel prima moet werken, maar persoonlijk vind ik Arch best fijn op deze laptop inderdaad! Ik laat het er nog even op staan, kijken hoe het bevalt. Ik gebruik het ding nog meermalen per week. :)
I can’t get over the fact that this machine is 10 years old, I’m getting old 😭😭😭😭
Well, 9. You can breathe for a bit now haha
My MacBook Pro 2012 works great with Linux! I used Manjaro XFCE and then installed i3 over that.
Nice, wide os compatibility that's one of the many upsides of the intel mac computers it seems. Everyone talks about how great the m series ones are and how fast they are, but that does not matter when your SSD will die after a few years and you can't even boot externally since the bios is on the internal drive. Those m series ones are designed to be disposable sadly.
I didn't even know that. Maybe I should see if my M2 will boot from USB.
@@ex-itguy I think those can boot from USB though I am not totally sure. the problem I was talking about was that the bios is on the SSD so when it fails then it can't boot into anything so it is bricked due to no bios. I should have clarified that. Louis Rossman spoke about it in a video I think.
I remembered it because I was looking at one of those M1 air models because of the battery life, but when I found out that the SSD and ram are soldered and tied to the device I just got a normal laptop. they could make the most powerful and longest battery laptop but if it is doomed to fail with soldered on SSD then it is worthless. I like to keep stuff for a long long time so that put me off apple laptops.
That's really bad. I hope it doesn't happen...
Tbh I looked at buying a Linux laptop when I needed something faster, but the fact that I'm using iZoptope audio plugins for which there's no good alternative I bought myself a new Mac. Those only run on Windows and MacOS and I'm not going to work on Windows haha
@@ex-itguy Yeah understandable, windows 10 and 11 are real bad and lot of stuff only work on win or mac. I just wanted to warn you since I was also looking at arm powered mac until I dug deeper to find out how restrictive the hardware is and some of the scetchy things in mac os that are being added. I hope the SSD lasts long in yours, maybe use external storage as much as possible to save wear on the SSD.
Anyway thanks for uploading cool videos!
@@Compact-Disc_700mb Ah well, it's over a year old by now. Can't really return it 😆
I'll keep trying to get my audio stuff working on Linux though. In another video I even had an iZoptope plugin running by the way. It's just the licensing part that doesn't work. Can't login to prove I paid for it so I'm stuck with a 14 day trial.
Been running Sonoma with OCLP on my 2014 MBP 15” i7 2.5ghz with Nvidia card almost daily and now use it side by side with my base m2 Mac mini I snagged.
… Runs way better than any decade old machine should and I wished apple didnt drop support. Will eventually swap over to Linux when Apple drops intel support.
anything below 1tb is just unusable for me.... my average usage is arround 700gb
I don't have much data on the laptop itself, so it's perfectly fine for me. But it's not a lot of you actually store projects on it.
Should be fine to login with your Apple ID. It's not illegal to run macOS Sequoia on an old machine. As long as it's not used commercially I guess.
Grey area I guess, but nice to know that it isn't an issue. 🙂
I am afraid it won't be that easy to jump on another OS with old ARM-based Macs.
You mean PowerPC? Because the _new_ ones are ARM powered.
I made a few videos on Adèlie Linux on a G4 and a G5 though.
@@ex-itguy No, I mean ARM-based Macs. When Apple starts abandoning M1, then M2 etc. ARM-based solutions are typically much more closed than x86 ones. ARM made sense for Apple because they could license and customize ARM designs, whereas in case of x86 they had to use off-shelf Intel's solutions. But for end-users willing to use their Macs past support end, ARM is bad news., since 3rd party OSes may never be able to support those systems properly.
Right, like that! Well there's already at least one Linux distro (Asahi) for those machines and I believe you can even run Windows on them as well so I wouldn't worry about that too much.
Don't worry, I used bootcamp to install Windows 11 on a 2013 Mac, I never plan to use MacOS again.
I also have a 2015 MBP but with 16 GB of RAM and also installed Sequoia with OCLP. It runs but way worse than under Monterey. I think Apple will drop the support for Intel Macs very soon so the Linux option is really one to consider.
Interesting. I didn't test it extensively with Sequoia but it felt about the same as before. Linux sure runs a bit faster though.
I also expect Apple to drop Intel support soon. Wouldn't surprise me as Sequoia is the last version to support Intel macs.
@@ex-itguyI don’t think it will be the last, as Apple released Intel Macs as recently 2020, and still currently support models as old as 2017, so I think there will be at least another couple of versions to support Intel
@@ex-itguy To be precise: It seems that the graphics drivers/kexts for the integrated graphics are the cause. This happens in Chrome, Spotify, Adobe programs with GPU support. Maybe it would run better if I chose a MBP with discrete graphics?
I use Ubuntu on several older EOL MBA and MBP with satisfying results for Office use - never tried gaming tho.
Yeah these old Macs perform pretty well. I thought gaming was fun because it's something I have never done on my MacBook before haha
4:14 bootcamp saves you from broken WiFi
Yes, but I cleared the whole drive 😋
writing this in the same pc
4:14 you can just use boot camp
Booting the installer? How would that help?
This is why I love OpenCore
i mean why though
Why not?
I was going to say, try installing windows 7 on this bad boy.... It's harder than you think, but it makes a super fun video, and I've done it, so I can help
I thought Windows 11 was torture enough haha
It’s been almost 10 years… give it up at this point.
Why? It's still a perfectly capable machine. There's enough waste on this world as it is...
Call me crazy, but I do most of my computer work in chrome, so in my mind, as long as a computer gets chrome updates, which Monterey still does, it is still supported. Once chrome updates stop, the computer will be useless within 2 years.
But if all you do is web-based in Chrome, an alternative OS like Linux could be perfect for you. Chrome is available on Linux as well.
Seeing openMandriva & Mageia in one video is quite a feat...
...but you know TempleOS is the only real answer
Hahaha, I guess I should really try that some time. 😄
welp, my laptop is cooked.
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Honestly I don’t care what Apple says. I have a 2013 MacBook Air 11 inch which runs MacOS Big Sur and it lost support last September. Even then it still runs quite fast on Big Sur and I can still perform everyday tasks on it. That too my model has the i5 processor from the haswell generation and 8gb ram (not 4gb ram) so it’s very useable. I have thought about using OpenCore but honestly Big Sur still supports everything I use.
Well no security updates can get a big problem very fast, but I wouldn't be too nervous about it indeed.
Its normal , that thing is 10 years old. Even servers have 5 year maximum warranty + up 5 extentions.
The old hardware cant keep up with modern software.
5 Years is the industry standard support for both hardware and software.
Remember that we used to run the web on windows 98 and xp that only had up to 128mb of ram and that was considered luxury?
Firefox is currently taking 3GBs alone.
Modern programs are to heavy and need more powerfull hardware.
Not only that , you have silcon degradation.
For a 9 year old machine it holds up really well today though. 8Gb is still enough for not too resource heavy stuff.
Not saying Apple has to keep supporting it, but it seems wasteful to bring a perfectly fine machine to a landfill.
An enjoyable video!👍👍
Perhaps you could install Linux Mint Mate version, it works well on my 2008 MBP., it even found the correct driver for the Mac WiFi, which can be installed via the notifications tab or driver manager, being from 2008 the computer does have an Ethernet port, but only two USB., ports and they are both on the same side, unfortunately the CPU., is soldered to the MB., but the ram and the drive are removable.
I prefer computers which are designed for maintenance though and the HP ProBook 6560b and 6570b are well designed for maintenance, there are two slides on the bottom, one of which releases the battery and the other releases the bottom cover and then everything is accessible and they have socketed CPUs..
Thanks! I expect Mint to do as well as other distros I tried. I mean, in the end they're all using the same kernel, drivers, etc.
This 2015 MBP is not very upgradeable. You can change the SSD for an NVMe using an adapter, but that's about it. Even the memory is soldered on.
@@ex-itguy In my opinion, Apple are creating e-waste these days, having said that, dosdude1 is able to repair and upgrade even the most modern Macs, but not everyone has that ability or the required equipment.
I certainly would be lost as soon as I'm going to solder stuff on a logic board haha
@@ex-itguy Yes, it would take a while to master the required skills and to get the equipment, dosdude1 manages it.
@@ex-itguy My previous reply disappeared so I shall try again, in my opinion, Apple are creating e-waste by making their current products non upgradeable.
ohhhh, should i try on my 2012 macbook pro? But first i need to fix power connectior issue :c
Yeah I wouldn't try anything without a working power connector haha
Yes it should work well on your 2012 MacBook, i'm running monterey on my 2009 17" MacBook